Ramakrishna's analogy on destiny & free will (Horoscope, free will..)

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Beautiful message Narasimha ji!

 

Destiny is like an orphaned and lost kitten that suddenly arrives in your life!

Once here, what you do with it, how you treat it is up to your freedom of

choice, your free will! How that free will then changes your destiny to come is

not always what you keep in mind when you are moved by pure love and choose to

love and take care of the kitten! The destiny that is here to motivate you to

the right action that leads to future destiny! Perpetuum mobile!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste friends,

>

> > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa compared the results of past actions to be like

> > a rope tied around the neck of a goat. Free will is restricted to the

> > amount of freedom the rope allows one.

>

> Ramakrishna is a master of explaining the toughest of philosophical points

using the simplest of analogies. His analogies are usually quite apt and

brilliant.

>

> Yes, karma or destiny (i.e. the result of past actions) is like a rope tied to

the neck of a goat. The rope restricts the movement of the goat, but does not

determine where the goat goes and what it does! That is upto the goat's free

will.

>

> A thirsty goat may look at a river nearby and despair as it cannot reach the

river due to the rope. It may try and struggle continually, without reaching the

river. Another thirsty goat may realize that it cannot reach the river, accept

that, look around, find a small bucket of water behind it within reach if it

negotiates with the rope and the obstacles. It may turn back, go, drink that

water in the bucket and be happy.

>

> While the destiny as frozen at the time of birth (and as reflected in the

horoscope) is like the rope tying the goat and the surroundings of the goat, the

actions of free will after birth are like the actions of the goat - how it

accepts and negotiates the rope and its surroundings to get what it wants.

>

> * * *

>

> Today's actions (karma) are tomorrow's destiny (karma). Some of today's

actions may impact destiny in a future life. Some of today's actions may modify

destiny for tomorrow (in this life itself!). Let me extend Ramakrishna's analogy

to explain it.

>

> A goat tied to a tree with a rope may go around the tree a few times in one

direction and the rope may get shorter. It may now be unable to reach places it

was able to reach earlier. Similarly, some bad acts of free will in this life

may tighten the destiny, make things worse and reduce one's options.

>

> It may go around the tree a few times in another direction and the rope may

get longer. It may now be able to reach places it was unable to reach earlier.

Similarly, some good acts of free will in this life may improve the destiny and

make more things possible.

>

> * * *

>

> One's mind is conditioned based on one's destiny. One's surroundings and life

situations faced by one are influenced by one's destinty. One will be pulled in

certain directions. One may feel attraction for another person. Another person

may hate one an, abuse one and throw obstacles. One may not have enough money to

live happily. One may be adored by millions of people. And so on. One faces

different life situations at different times and in different matters.

>

> However, destiny only shows how one (and one's mind) is pulled in various

directions and what life situations one finds oneself in. Irrespective of the

mental conditioning and one's circumstances, one can still choose between

different actions. The actions taken by one are not fixed based on the

horoscope. For example, one person may abuse one badly and one may feel great

anger towards that person, all on account of a previous karmik debt. But, when

badly provoked, one can either succumb to the temptation and fight back or just

ignore and move on.

>

> Destiny places you in different situations. What you do in those situations is

based on how you use your free will. In some cases, free will has a lot of

wiggle room and many options and, in some cases, it has fewer options. But,

usually, you do have several options that may or may not be obvious and the

action you finally choose shapes your destiny in a future birth.

>

> * * *

>

> Please note that the Sanskrit word for destiny is karma and the Sanskrit word

for action is also karma. Basically, actions of today become destiny of

tomorrow. You will get reaction in future to your current actions and destiny is

the sum total of those actions that will come back to you.

>

> Each action of yours that impacts other beings and objects of this universe

will go towards forming your destiny for future. (Here please note that both

physical and mental actions count. Any emotions you feel towards someone else

and do not necessary express outwardly will also impact that person in a subtle

manner and hence counts as an action.)

>

> Horoscope captures the good and bad actions, committed physically or mentally

to other beings, until the current birth, which are to give their reactions in

this life. This is also known as destiny.

>

> It does not fix what you do in various situations in your current life. You

have the ability to make different choices at important crossroads. The choices

you make are your karma (actions) and they shape your destiny for future. They

may either impact your current life itself, or become part of the destiny (as

reflected in the horoscope) in the next life.

>

> * * *

>

> Anybody who tells you that so and so houses show acts of free will does not

understand what free will is. Horoscope is the frozen list of past karmas that

form one's destiny for this life. It is like the rope tying the goat. Acts of

free will are like how the goat negotiates the rope and moves around within the

possible area to do its stuff. That is in the hands of the goat.

>

> The scope and options available to free will can be estimated from the

horoscope, but the exact acts of free will are unpredictable based on horoscope.

To complicate things further, how exactly free will has been used until now in

this life (which cannot be seen from the horoscope) has an impact on the scope

and options available to free will at this time. The exertion of free will until

now may have modified the destiny.

>

> * * *

>

> I am not downplaying astrology. Going back to the original Chiranjeevi

prediction, the prediction that he would come into politics in 2007-2009 and

enjoy some kind of power was made using astrology. When someone is already a

candidate, even a random prediction of success or failure has a 1/2 or 1/3

probability. But, when there are no signs on the ground, a prediction on one's

political entry in a specific timeframe has a very low probability. Such a low

probability prediction made 7 years ahead using astrology came true. Moreover,

we have all seen many cases where astrology worked spectacularly. I am not

saying astrology is nonsense. But I am saying that we do not attempt to

understand its shortcomings.

>

> When someone's free will works in a predictable way, i.e. when one's free will

has very few options and/or one reacts to life situations thrown up by the

destiny in predictable ways, job of an astrologer is easier. But, when free will

has a wide range of options and/or one used the free will powerfully, the gap

between the destiny as reflected by horoscope and the actual destiny as a result

of those actions may make an astrologer fail.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

>

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>

> > --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Shyam V. Srivatsa <shyam.srivatsa@> wrote:

> >

> > Shyam V. Srivatsa <shyam.srivatsa@>

> > Re: Re: Horoscope, free will and high profile charts (Re:

Your prediction on Chiranjeevi)

> > sohamsa

> > Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 11:08 AM

> >

> > Namaste!

> >

> > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa compared the results of past actions to be like

> > a rope tied around the neck of a goat. Free will is restricted to the

> > amount of freedom the rope allows one. As one burns more of past karma,

> > it is like the rope being loosened and the freedom given increases.

> > Ultimately we are all bound by the power of prakriti or maya as one

> > chooses to call it.

> >

> > In psychological terms, ones own thought structures are the rope that

> > ties us. Our own conditioned mind restricts us. What a horoscope reveals

> > in this sense is often the ropes that bind us. The grace of Guru and the

> > power of sadhana burn away these ropes/sanchita karma.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Shyam

> >

> > On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 13:38 +0530, Sanjay Prabhakaran wrote:

> > >

> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > Dear Srinivasa,

> > > Let me give my opinion,

> > > Upachaaya houses 3,6,10 and 11 are for free will. Upachaaya means to

> > > increase or grow. These houses can increase your level of karma. Most

> > > of the houses are considered bad (except 10th) by Parashara. Hence we

> > > should try to limit our free will for loading our karma baggage.

> > >

> > > 3rd House : Kaama or passion related karmas.

> > > 11th house: Desire or Wants related karmas.

> > > 6th house: Hatred, revenge etc.

> > >

> > > All the above are one of prime causes of increasing karma. Look at the

> > > grahas in above places to see how many factors are forcing you to

> > > indulge in those karmas. Malefics generally add more negative karma.

> > >

> > > 3rd house remedy is best to take Guru Upadesha (7th from 3rd is 9th

> > > house).

> > > 11th house worship Shiva

> > > 6th House worship Vishnu.

> > >

> > > Warm Regards

> > > Sanjay P

> >

> > sohamsa , Srinivasa Sunchu <padmanu@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Vishnave Namah

> > >

> > > Namasthe Narasimha Garu

> > >

> > > Is there a way or techniques to quantitatively and accurately ascertain

how much is the

> > > destiny/baggage part and the free will part.

> > > May be this is where modern day astrologers are lagging?

> > >

> > > Srinivasa

> > >

> > > --- On Tue, 5/26/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > > > how do we know that free will exists?.The so called free will can also

> > > > > be an asumption.As far as my experience goes whatever freewill existed

> > > > > for humans might have exited.I know majority will never agree but

> > > > > still......

> > >

> > > Well, free will DOES exist. In fact, what exactly is destiny anyway? There

is no destiny if there is no free will, for today's act of free will shapes

tomorrow's destiny.

> > >

> > > In fact, Vasishtha tells Rama in " Yoga Vaasishtham " that there is nothing

called destiny. He says all that is there is your free will. He says that

actions done in the past using your free will will catch up with you and that

catching up is given the name of destiny. This destiny is thus nothing external,

but acts of your own free will getting back at you.

> > >

> > > Just as a person who spends all his monthly salary in the first 10 days of

the month may have no money to spend in the next 20 days, similarly people who

abused their free will in the past may be faced with such a weighty destiny that

their free will is useless right now. Such people may feel that there is nothing

called free will.

> > >

> > > The amount of leeway and wiggle room available for free may may vary from

person to person and situation to situation, but it is a fact that free will

exists and that acts of free will shape one's future.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > >

> > > > , " gopi_b927 " <gopi_b927@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Narasimha garu,

> > > > >

> > > > > how do we know that free will exists?.The so called free will can also

> > > > > be an asumption.As far as my experience goes whatever freewill existed

> > > > > for humans might have exited.I know majority will never agree but

> > > > > still......

> > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I will share some freewheeling thoughts, in response to your

question.

> > > > > I am cc'ing this to some astrology lists after removing your name from

> > > > > the mail.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * * *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For those who are unaware of the prediction referred to below, here

is

> > > > > a little background.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I had predicted in print in 2000 that Telugu film actor Chiranjeevi

> > > > > would come into politics in 2007-2009 and and enjoy some political

> > > > > power. At the time of that prediction, there were no such indications

on

> > > > > the ground. But he did come into politics in the same timeframe. The

> > > > > initial talk was in 2007, he finally formed a party in 2008 and

> > > > > elections were in 2009. Though his party did badly, he was elected as

a

> > > > > legislator (MLA) in May 2009.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thus, the original prediction was quite successful. However, I upped

> > > > > the ante last year by suggesting that Chiranjeevi' s party would do

well

> > > > > in 2009 elections. Though I was not specific regarding his level of

> > > > > success and did not predict that he would become the Chief Minister, I

> > > > > was honestly expecting his party to do better than they managed. Thus,

> > > > > the followup of my original prediction is a failure.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * * *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is my personal observation that the success rate in high profile

> > > > > political predictions is less than in regular predictions like

marriage,

> > > > > job, childbirth etc in " regular " charts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In some cases, the reason is that the birthdata is not accurate and

> > > > > yet we are eager to make predictions. But sometimes we make bad

> > > > > predictions with good data too. Of course, it can be a human error in

> > > > > judging various factors. However, that human error seems to be a

little

> > > > > more common in high profile political predictions than in regular

> > > > > predictions. What could be the reason?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I wonder if the factor of free will that is left out of astrology

> > > > > plays a bigger role in political charts. I will try to think loud and

> > > > > elaborate what I mean.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * * *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One's birth chart contains the list of actions committed in previous

> > > > > lives using one's free will that are to give their reactions in this

> > > > > life. However, as life goes on, one accumulates newer actions

committed

> > > > > in THIS life using one's free will. What happens at any point of time

in

> > > > > one's life is a function of ALL actions committed by one until that

> > > > > point of time, INCLUDING the actions committed in THIS life until now.

> > > > > Some key actions committed using one's free will in THIS life,

> > > > > especially at important crossroads in life, should impact the life

> > > > > events from then onwards.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Many people are weighed down by too many karmas and always playing a

> > > > > catchup. In other words, destiny (sum of the actions of previous lives

> > > > > which are to give a reaction now) is too weighty and free will in this

> > > > > life has little scope. When the options available for the free will in

> > > > > this life are limited, there may not be significant actions using free

> > > > > will and hence the modifications to destiny based on actions of this

> > > > > life may not be big enough. Thus, horoscope may be sufficient to

predict

> > > > > events.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, highly popular, successful and high profile public

> > > > > personalities may have less restrictions and more options available

for

> > > > > their free will. With their free will being more free and powerful,

the

> > > > > actions committed by their free will may have a higher weightage. As

we

> > > > > are able to see only their destiny in the horoscope (free will

exercise

> > > > > upto birth) and unable to factor in how free will was exercised in

this

> > > > > life until now, we are perhaps handicapped in our predictions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Whether a political leader is in limelight and becomes MP or the

> > > > > leader of opposition in parliament or the Prime Minister, he is

enjoying

> > > > > some political power. Previous karmas placed him in a position to

enjoy

> > > > > that power. To predict the specific degree of power and make an

accurate

> > > > > prediction, is the horoscope sufficient always? Could the exercise of

> > > > > free will in this life until now make a difference in some high

profile

> > > > > charts?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * * *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am just thinking loud here. Rather than posing a question and

> > > > > answering it myself, I will let learned friends ponder on this for

> > > > > themselves.. .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > Dear PVR garu,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you don't mind, could you please look in to why your prediction

on

> > > > > Chiranjeevi failed ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am not asking this question with a wrong intent. I wanted to

> > > > > understand if

> > > > > > 1) It is a human error (May be you ignored some data ? )

> > > > > > 2) You still can't understand why it failed and you think that was

the

> > > > > correct prediction to be best of your knowledge.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I had a 50-50 faith on astrology 3 years ago and after coming to

know

> > > > > about you / your lessons I developed strong faith and I thought all

the

> > > > > failures are not because of astrology but because of astrologer's lack

> > > > > of knowledge.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If it is case #1, it is okay. But if it is case #2, then we have a

> > > > > problem. We will have to conclude that the Jyotish knowledge that is

> > > > > available to us at this age is very limited and may not be accurate.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best Regards,

> > > > > > <deleted>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Destiny and Free Will can be translated as Praarabdha and Purushaartha (words

ased by Arjuna many times in Mahabharata).

 

Praarabdha is etymologically derived frpm Praa + Labdha (from root Labh, to

gain). Hence, it means what is gained at the time of birth (due to results of

past karmas).

 

Purushaartha means the Artha of Purusha, ie , the free will or desire of the

Man.

 

Outcome is a product of Praarabdha and Purushaartha. Both Praarabdha and

Purushaartha try to mould the outcome in their own ways.

 

There are three types of Karma : nitya, naimittika and Kaamya. It is the Kaamya

karma which is most influential in tightening the rope of Destiny.There are four

types of Purushaartha, three of which lead to tightening the rope of Destiny

when actions are done for wishfulfilment : actions done for fulfilling wants of

Artha, Dharma and Kaama.

 

The rope of destiny is finally broken with the fourth and ultimate Purushaartha

: Moksha.

 

Astrology can predict the range of destiny, but free will cannot be predicted.

 

In Indian philosophy, Karma is not ALL action. Actions of animals do not count

as Karmas. A lion is violent but does not commit any sin by killing others, but

violence for humans is regarded as sin. The will of animals is not free will in

this sense. Only humans reap the results of their Karmas. Other Yonis are only

for bearing the fruits of past Karmas.

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani

 

Friday, May 29, 2009 10:03:53 AM

Ramakrishna's analogy on destiny & free will (Re:

Horoscope, free will..)

 

 

 

 

 

Beautiful message Narasimha ji!

 

Destiny is like an orphaned and lost kitten that suddenly arrives in your life!

Once here, what you do with it, how you treat it is up to your freedom of

choice, your free will! How that free will then changes your destiny to come is

not always what you keep in mind when you are moved by pure love and choose to

love and take care of the kitten! The destiny that is here to motivate you to

the right action that leads to future destiny! Perpetuum mobile!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste friends,

>

> > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa compared the results of past actions to be like

> > a rope tied around the neck of a goat. Free will is restricted to the

> > amount of freedom the rope allows one.

>

> Ramakrishna is a master of explaining the toughest of philosophical points

using the simplest of analogies. His analogies are usually quite apt and

brilliant.

>

> Yes, karma or destiny (i.e. the result of past actions) is like a rope tied to

the neck of a goat. The rope restricts the movement of the goat, but does not

determine where the goat goes and what it does! That is upto the goat's free

will.

>

> A thirsty goat may look at a river nearby and despair as it cannot reach the

river due to the rope. It may try and struggle continually, without reaching the

river. Another thirsty goat may realize that it cannot reach the river, accept

that, look around, find a small bucket of water behind it within reach if it

negotiates with the rope and the obstacles. It may turn back, go, drink that

water in the bucket and be happy.

>

> While the destiny as frozen at the time of birth (and as reflected in the

horoscope) is like the rope tying the goat and the surroundings of the goat, the

actions of free will after birth are like the actions of the goat - how it

accepts and negotiates the rope and its surroundings to get what it wants.

>

> * * *

>

> Today's actions (karma) are tomorrow's destiny (karma). Some of today's

actions may impact destiny in a future life. Some of today's actions may modify

destiny for tomorrow (in this life itself!). Let me extend Ramakrishna' s

analogy to explain it.

>

> A goat tied to a tree with a rope may go around the tree a few times in one

direction and the rope may get shorter. It may now be unable to reach places it

was able to reach earlier. Similarly, some bad acts of free will in this life

may tighten the destiny, make things worse and reduce one's options.

>

> It may go around the tree a few times in another direction and the rope may

get longer. It may now be able to reach places it was unable to reach earlier.

Similarly, some good acts of free will in this life may improve the destiny and

make more things possible.

>

> * * *

>

> One's mind is conditioned based on one's destiny. One's surroundings and life

situations faced by one are influenced by one's destinty. One will be pulled in

certain directions. One may feel attraction for another person. Another person

may hate one an, abuse one and throw obstacles. One may not have enough money to

live happily. One may be adored by millions of people. And so on. One faces

different life situations at different times and in different matters.

>

> However, destiny only shows how one (and one's mind) is pulled in various

directions and what life situations one finds oneself in. Irrespective of the

mental conditioning and one's circumstances, one can still choose between

different actions. The actions taken by one are not fixed based on the

horoscope. For example, one person may abuse one badly and one may feel great

anger towards that person, all on account of a previous karmik debt. But, when

badly provoked, one can either succumb to the temptation and fight back or just

ignore and move on.

>

> Destiny places you in different situations. What you do in those situations is

based on how you use your free will. In some cases, free will has a lot of

wiggle room and many options and, in some cases, it has fewer options. But,

usually, you do have several options that may or may not be obvious and the

action you finally choose shapes your destiny in a future birth.

>

> * * *

>

> Please note that the Sanskrit word for destiny is karma and the Sanskrit word

for action is also karma. Basically, actions of today become destiny of

tomorrow. You will get reaction in future to your current actions and destiny is

the sum total of those actions that will come back to you.

>

> Each action of yours that impacts other beings and objects of this universe

will go towards forming your destiny for future. (Here please note that both

physical and mental actions count. Any emotions you feel towards someone else

and do not necessary express outwardly will also impact that person in a subtle

manner and hence counts as an action.)

>

> Horoscope captures the good and bad actions, committed physically or mentally

to other beings, until the current birth, which are to give their reactions in

this life. This is also known as destiny.

>

> It does not fix what you do in various situations in your current life. You

have the ability to make different choices at important crossroads. The choices

you make are your karma (actions) and they shape your destiny for future. They

may either impact your current life itself, or become part of the destiny (as

reflected in the horoscope) in the next life.

>

> * * *

>

> Anybody who tells you that so and so houses show acts of free will does not

understand what free will is. Horoscope is the frozen list of past karmas that

form one's destiny for this life. It is like the rope tying the goat. Acts of

free will are like how the goat negotiates the rope and moves around within the

possible area to do its stuff. That is in the hands of the goat.

>

> The scope and options available to free will can be estimated from the

horoscope, but the exact acts of free will are unpredictable based on horoscope.

To complicate things further, how exactly free will has been used until now in

this life (which cannot be seen from the horoscope) has an impact on the scope

and options available to free will at this time. The exertion of free will until

now may have modified the destiny.

>

> * * *

>

> I am not downplaying astrology. Going back to the original Chiranjeevi

prediction, the prediction that he would come into politics in 2007-2009 and

enjoy some kind of power was made using astrology. When someone is already a

candidate, even a random prediction of success or failure has a 1/2 or 1/3

probability. But, when there are no signs on the ground, a prediction on one's

political entry in a specific timeframe has a very low probability. Such a low

probability prediction made 7 years ahead using astrology came true. Moreover,

we have all seen many cases where astrology worked spectacularly. I am not

saying astrology is nonsense. But I am saying that we do not attempt to

understand its shortcomings.

>

> When someone's free will works in a predictable way, i.e. when one's free will

has very few options and/or one reacts to life situations thrown up by the

destiny in predictable ways, job of an astrologer is easier. But, when free will

has a wide range of options and/or one used the free will powerfully, the gap

between the destiny as reflected by horoscope and the actual destiny as a result

of those actions may make an astrologer fail.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

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> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

>

> > --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Shyam V. Srivatsa <shyam.srivatsa@ > wrote:

> >

> > Shyam V. Srivatsa <shyam.srivatsa@ >

> > Re: Re: Horoscope, free will and high profile charts (Re:

Your prediction on Chiranjeevi)

> > sohamsa@ .com

> > Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 11:08 AM

> >

> > Namaste!

> >

> > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa compared the results of past actions to be like

> > a rope tied around the neck of a goat. Free will is restricted to the

> > amount of freedom the rope allows one. As one burns more of past karma,

> > it is like the rope being loosened and the freedom given increases.

> > Ultimately we are all bound by the power of prakriti or maya as one

> > chooses to call it.

> >

> > In psychological terms, ones own thought structures are the rope that

> > ties us. Our own conditioned mind restricts us. What a horoscope reveals

> > in this sense is often the ropes that bind us. The grace of Guru and the

> > power of sadhana burn away these ropes/sanchita karma.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Shyam

> >

> > On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 13:38 +0530, Sanjay Prabhakaran wrote:

> > >

> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > Dear Srinivasa,

> > > Let me give my opinion,

> > > Upachaaya houses 3,6,10 and 11 are for free will. Upachaaya means to

> > > increase or grow. These houses can increase your level of karma. Most

> > > of the houses are considered bad (except 10th) by Parashara. Hence we

> > > should try to limit our free will for loading our karma baggage.

> > >

> > > 3rd House : Kaama or passion related karmas.

> > > 11th house: Desire or Wants related karmas.

> > > 6th house: Hatred, revenge etc.

> > >

> > > All the above are one of prime causes of increasing karma. Look at the

> > > grahas in above places to see how many factors are forcing you to

> > > indulge in those karmas. Malefics generally add more negative karma.

> > >

> > > 3rd house remedy is best to take Guru Upadesha (7th from 3rd is 9th

> > > house).

> > > 11th house worship Shiva

> > > 6th House worship Vishnu.

> > >

> > > Warm Regards

> > > Sanjay P

> >

> > sohamsa@ .com, Srinivasa Sunchu <padmanu@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Vishnave Namah

> > >

> > > Namasthe Narasimha Garu

> > >

> > > Is there a way or techniques to quantitatively and accurately ascertain

how much is the

> > > destiny/baggage part and the free will part.

> > > May be this is where modern day astrologers are lagging?

> > >

> > > Srinivasa

> > >

> > > --- On Tue, 5/26/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > > > how do we know that free will exists?.The so called free will can also

> > > > > be an asumption.As far as my experience goes whatever freewill existed

> > > > > for humans might have exited.I know majority will never agree but

> > > > > still......

> > >

> > > Well, free will DOES exist. In fact, what exactly is destiny anyway? There

is no destiny if there is no free will, for today's act of free will shapes

tomorrow's destiny.

> > >

> > > In fact, Vasishtha tells Rama in " Yoga Vaasishtham " that there is nothing

called destiny. He says all that is there is your free will. He says that

actions done in the past using your free will will catch up with you and that

catching up is given the name of destiny. This destiny is thus nothing external,

but acts of your own free will getting back at you.

> > >

> > > Just as a person who spends all his monthly salary in the first 10 days of

the month may have no money to spend in the next 20 days, similarly people who

abused their free will in the past may be faced with such a weighty destiny that

their free will is useless right now. Such people may feel that there is nothing

called free will.

> > >

> > > The amount of leeway and wiggle room available for free may may vary from

person to person and situation to situation, but it is a fact that free will

exists and that acts of free will shape one's future.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > >

> > > > , " gopi_b927 " <gopi_b927@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Narasimha garu,

> > > > >

> > > > > how do we know that free will exists?.The so called free will can also

> > > > > be an asumption.As far as my experience goes whatever freewill existed

> > > > > for humans might have exited.I know majority will never agree but

> > > > > still......

> > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I will share some freewheeling thoughts, in response to your

question.

> > > > > I am cc'ing this to some astrology lists after removing your name from

> > > > > the mail.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * * *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For those who are unaware of the prediction referred to below, here

is

> > > > > a little background.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I had predicted in print in 2000 that Telugu film actor Chiranjeevi

> > > > > would come into politics in 2007-2009 and and enjoy some political

> > > > > power. At the time of that prediction, there were no such indications

on

> > > > > the ground. But he did come into politics in the same timeframe. The

> > > > > initial talk was in 2007, he finally formed a party in 2008 and

> > > > > elections were in 2009. Though his party did badly, he was elected as

a

> > > > > legislator (MLA) in May 2009.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thus, the original prediction was quite successful. However, I upped

> > > > > the ante last year by suggesting that Chiranjeevi' s party would do

well

> > > > > in 2009 elections. Though I was not specific regarding his level of

> > > > > success and did not predict that he would become the Chief Minister, I

> > > > > was honestly expecting his party to do better than they managed. Thus,

> > > > > the followup of my original prediction is a failure.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * * *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is my personal observation that the success rate in high profile

> > > > > political predictions is less than in regular predictions like

marriage,

> > > > > job, childbirth etc in " regular " charts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In some cases, the reason is that the birthdata is not accurate and

> > > > > yet we are eager to make predictions. But sometimes we make bad

> > > > > predictions with good data too. Of course, it can be a human error in

> > > > > judging various factors. However, that human error seems to be a

little

> > > > > more common in high profile political predictions than in regular

> > > > > predictions. What could be the reason?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I wonder if the factor of free will that is left out of astrology

> > > > > plays a bigger role in political charts. I will try to think loud and

> > > > > elaborate what I mean.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * * *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One's birth chart contains the list of actions committed in previous

> > > > > lives using one's free will that are to give their reactions in this

> > > > > life. However, as life goes on, one accumulates newer actions

committed

> > > > > in THIS life using one's free will. What happens at any point of time

in

> > > > > one's life is a function of ALL actions committed by one until that

> > > > > point of time, INCLUDING the actions committed in THIS life until now.

> > > > > Some key actions committed using one's free will in THIS life,

> > > > > especially at important crossroads in life, should impact the life

> > > > > events from then onwards.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Many people are weighed down by too many karmas and always playing a

> > > > > catchup. In other words, destiny (sum of the actions of previous lives

> > > > > which are to give a reaction now) is too weighty and free will in this

> > > > > life has little scope. When the options available for the free will in

> > > > > this life are limited, there may not be significant actions using free

> > > > > will and hence the modifications to destiny based on actions of this

> > > > > life may not be big enough. Thus, horoscope may be sufficient to

predict

> > > > > events.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, highly popular, successful and high profile public

> > > > > personalities may have less restrictions and more options available

for

> > > > > their free will. With their free will being more free and powerful,

the

> > > > > actions committed by their free will may have a higher weightage. As

we

> > > > > are able to see only their destiny in the horoscope (free will

exercise

> > > > > upto birth) and unable to factor in how free will was exercised in

this

> > > > > life until now, we are perhaps handicapped in our predictions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Whether a political leader is in limelight and becomes MP or the

> > > > > leader of opposition in parliament or the Prime Minister, he is

enjoying

> > > > > some political power. Previous karmas placed him in a position to

enjoy

> > > > > that power. To predict the specific degree of power and make an

accurate

> > > > > prediction, is the horoscope sufficient always? Could the exercise of

> > > > > free will in this life until now make a difference in some high

profile

> > > > > charts?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * * *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am just thinking loud here. Rather than posing a question and

> > > > > answering it myself, I will let learned friends ponder on this for

> > > > > themselves.. .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > Dear PVR garu,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you don't mind, could you please look in to why your prediction

on

> > > > > Chiranjeevi failed ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am not asking this question with a wrong intent. I wanted to

> > > > > understand if

> > > > > > 1) It is a human error (May be you ignored some data ? )

> > > > > > 2) You still can't understand why it failed and you think that was

the

> > > > > correct prediction to be best of your knowledge.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I had a 50-50 faith on astrology 3 years ago and after coming to

know

> > > > > about you / your lessons I developed strong faith and I thought all

the

> > > > > failures are not because of astrology but because of astrologer's lack

> > > > > of knowledge.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If it is case #1, it is okay. But if it is case #2, then we have a

> > > > > problem. We will have to conclude that the Jyotish knowledge that is

> > > > > available to us at this age is very limited and may not be accurate.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best Regards,

> > > > > > <deleted>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Michal,

 

> If you compare 'free will' to this short rope that goats are

> usually tied by, and the vastness of the world, then we

> can only conclude that life is largely predetermined.

 

Yes, the world is vast. But the space that matters to the goat is small and the

goat's maneuvres within that small space are quite important - they decide how

much the goat is able to accomplish and how happy it is. See the example below

of river and bucket of water. In that example, goat's choice decides whether its

thirst is quenched or not.

 

Similarly, an ordinary person's free will works within a limited space. There

may be millions of things that are out of reach for an ordinary person. But, the

maneuvres made within the limited space of possibilities can have a considerable

impact on that person's life.

 

* * *

 

Assuming that life and one's actions are predetermined based on horoscope, we

are effectively saying that actions in one of the previous lives (which

determined the current horoscope) are determining all actions in this life,

hence the next life's horoscope, hence all actions in next life, hence the

horoscope in the life after that one, and so on. This line of thinking implies

that choices made in one particular life predetermine a sequence of lives. What

a proposition!

 

* * *

 

BTW, Prasad, thanks for an awesome link. Seekers of knowledge who are genuinely

interested in this topic (the play of destiny and free will) should find this

article quite insightful. I bow to the wisdom of Swami Chandrashekhara Bharati,

who is clearly a knower of Brahman.

 

> http://www.advaita-vedanta.org/articles/The_Riddle_of_Fate_and_Free.htm

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

 

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sohamsa , Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krsna ||

>

> Dear Narasimha,

>

> I see you are in a philosophical mood:)

>

> In my observations and studies I have found that people generally are largely

predetermined. When you witness incredible chart analysis by a gifted

astrologer there is little choice but to have this view. Though a person may

think, feel, and act as if they are making choices in their life, this view may

be completely compromised by an astrologer describing exactly where they are,

what they have been doing, and how they got there. If someone can do this with

a few symbols nicely arranged on a piece of paper then it really questions the

idea of 'free will'.

>

> The analogy of the goat having 'free will' within the range of its tether is

really saying that given the huge size of the world the goat is extremely

restricted. And so are we. If you compare 'free will' to this short rope that

goats are usually tied by, and the vastness of the world, then we can only

conclude that life is largely predetermined. This being so, we cannot use 'free

will' as an excuse for our inability to make accurate predictions consistently.

>

> Warm regards,

> Michal

>

> ________________________________

> Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr

> sohamsa ; vedic astrology ;

;

> Cc: Jyotish_Ganga

> Friday, 29 May, 2009 3:35:00 PM

> Ramakrishna's analogy on destiny & free will (Re:

Horoscope, free will..)

>

> Namaste friends,

>

> > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa compared the results

> of past actions to be like

> > a rope tied around the neck of a goat. Free

> will is restricted to the

> > amount of freedom the rope allows

> one.

>

> Ramakrishna is a master of explaining the toughest

> of philosophical points using the simplest of analogies. His analogies are

> usually quite apt and brilliant.

>

> Yes, karma or destiny (i.e. the result of past

> actions) is like a rope tied to the neck of a goat. The rope restricts the

movement of the goat, but does not determine where the goat

> goes and what it does! That is upto the goat's free will.

>

> A thirsty goat may look at a river nearby and

> despair as it cannot reach the river due to the rope. It may try and struggle

> continually, without reaching the river. Another thirsty goat may realize that

> it cannot reach the river, accept that, look around, find a small bucket of

> water behind it within reach if it negotiates with the rope and the obstacles.

> It may turn back, go, drink that water in the bucket and be happy.

>

> While the destiny as frozen at the time of birth

> (and as reflected in the horoscope) is like the rope tying the goat and the

> surroundings of the goat, the actions of free will after birth are like the

> actions of the goat - how it accepts and negotiates the rope and its

> surroundings to get what it wants.

>

> *

> * *

>

> Today's actions (karma) are tomorrow's destiny (karma). Some of today's

> actions may impact destiny in a future life. Some of today's actions may

modify

> destiny for tomorrow (in this life itself!). Let me

> extend Ramakrishna' s analogy to explain it.

>

> A goat tied to a tree with a rope may go around the tree a few times in one

> direction and the rope may get shorter. It may now be unable to reach places

it

> was able to reach earlier. Similarly, some bad acts of free will in this life

> may tighten the destiny, make things worse and reduce one's options.

>

> It may go around the tree a few times in another direction and the rope may

> get longer. It may now be able to reach places it was unable to reach earlier.

> Similarly, some good acts of free will in this life may improve the destiny

and

> make more things possible.

> *

> * *

>

> One's mind is conditioned based on one's destiny.

> One's surroundings and life situations faced by one are influenced by one's

> destinty. One will be pulled in certain directions. One may feel attraction

> for another person. Another person may hate one an, abuse one and throw

> obstacles. One may not have enough money to live happily. One may be adored by

> millions of people. And so on. One faces different life situations at

different

> times and in different matters.

>

> However, destiny only shows how one (and one's

> mind) is pulled in various directions and what life situations one finds

oneself

> in. Irrespective of the mental conditioning and one's circumstances, one can

> still choose between different actions. The actions taken by one are not fixed

> based on the horoscope. For example, one person may abuse one badly and one

may

> feel great anger towards that person, all on account of a previous karmik

debt.

> But, when badly provoked, one can either succumb to the temptation and fight

> back or just ignore and move on.

>

> Destiny places you in different situations. What

> you do in those situations is based on how you use your free will. In some

> cases, free will has a lot of wiggle room and many options and, in some cases,

> it has fewer options. But, usually, you do have several options that may or

may

> not be obvious and the action you finally choose shapes your

> destiny in a future birth.

>

> *

> * *

>

> Please note that the Sanskrit word for destiny is karma and the Sanskrit

> word for action is also karma. Basically, actions of today become destiny of

> tomorrow. You will get reaction in future to your current actions and destiny

is

> the sum total of those actions that will come back to you.

>

> Each action of yours that impacts other beings and

> objects of this universe will go towards forming your destiny for future.

(Here

> please note that both physical and mental actions count. Any emotions you feel

> towards someone else and do not necessary express outwardly will also

> impact that person in a subtle manner and hence counts as an

> action.)

>

> Horoscope captures the good and bad actions,

> committed physically or mentally to other beings, until the current birth,

which

> are to give their reactions in this life. This is also known as

> destiny.

>

> It does not fix what you do in various situations

> in your current life. You have the ability to make different choices at

> important crossroads. The choices you make are your karma (actions) and they

> shape your destiny for future. They may either impact your current life

itself,

> or become part of the destiny (as reflected in the horoscope) in the next

> life.

>

> *

> * *

>

> Anybody who tells you that so and so houses show

> acts of free will does not understand what free will is. Horoscope is the

> frozen list of past karmas that form one's destiny for this life. It is like

the

> rope tying the goat. Acts of free will are like how the goat negotiates the

rope

> and moves around within the possible area to do its stuff. That is in the

> hands of the goat.

>

> The scope and options available to free will can be

> estimated from the horoscope, but the exact acts of free will are

unpredictable

> based on horoscope. To complicate things further, how exactly free will has

been

> used until now in this life (which cannot be seen from the horoscope) has

> an impact on the scope and options available to free will at this time.

> The exertion of free will until now may have modified the destiny.

>

> *

> * *

>

> I am not downplaying astrology. Going back to the

> original Chiranjeevi prediction, the prediction that he would come into

politics

> in 2007-2009 and enjoy some kind of power was made using astrology. When

someone

> is already a candidate, even a random prediction of success or failure has

> a 1/2 or 1/3 probability. But, when there are no signs on the ground, a

> prediction on one's political entry in a specific timeframe has a very low

> probability. Such a low probability prediction made 7 years ahead using

> astrology came true. Moreover, we have all seen many cases where astrology

> worked spectacularly. I am not saying astrology is nonsense. But I am saying

> that we do not attempt to understand its shortcomings.

>

> When someone's free will works in a predictable

> way, i.e. when one's free will has very few options and/or one reacts to life

> situations thrown up by the destiny in predictable ways, job of an astrologer

is

> easier. But, when free will has a wide range of options and/or one used the

free

> will powerfully, the gap between the destiny as reflected by horoscope and the

> actual destiny as a result of those actions may make an astrologer

> fail.

>

> Best

> regards,

> Narasimha

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> > --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Shyam V. Srivatsa

> <shyam.srivatsa@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Shyam V. Srivatsa

> <shyam.srivatsa@ ...>

> > Re: Re: Horoscope, free

> will and high profile charts (Re: Your prediction on Chiranjeevi)

> > sohamsa@ .com

> > Date:

> Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 11:08 AM

> >

> > Namaste!

> >

> >

> Ramakrishna Paramahamsa compared the results of past actions to be like

> >

> a rope tied around the neck of a goat. Free will is restricted to the

> >

> amount of freedom the rope allows one. As one burns more of past karma,

> >

> it is like the rope being loosened and the freedom given increases.

> >

> Ultimately we are all bound by the power of prakriti or maya as one

> >

> chooses to call it.

> >

> > In psychological terms, ones own thought

> structures are the rope that

> > ties us. Our own conditioned mind restricts

> us. What a horoscope reveals

> > in this sense is often the ropes that bind

> us. The grace of Guru and the

> > power of sadhana burn away these

> ropes/sanchita karma.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Shyam

> >

> > On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 13:38 +0530, Sanjay Prabhakaran wrote:

> >

> >

> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > Dear Srinivasa,

> >

> > Let me give my opinion,

> > > Upachaaya houses 3,6,10 and 11 are for

> free will. Upachaaya means to

> > > increase or grow. These houses can

> increase your level of karma. Most

> > > of the houses are considered bad

> (except 10th) by Parashara. Hence we

> > > should try to limit our free

> will for loading our karma baggage.

> > >

> > > 3rd House : Kaama

> or passion related karmas.

> > > 11th house: Desire or Wants related

> karmas.

> > > 6th house: Hatred, revenge etc.

> > >

> > >

> All the above are one of prime causes of increasing karma. Look at the

> >

> > grahas in above places to see how many factors are forcing you to

> >

> > indulge in those karmas. Malefics generally add more negative

> karma.

> > >

> > > 3rd house remedy is best to take Guru Upadesha

> (7th from 3rd is 9th

> > > house).

> > > 11th house worship

> Shiva

> > > 6th House worship Vishnu.

> > >

> > > Warm

> Regards

> > > Sanjay P

> >

> > sohamsa@ .com, Srinivasa

> Sunchu <padmanu@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Vishnave

> Namah

> > >

> > > Namasthe Narasimha Garu

> >

> >

> > > Is there a way or techniques to quantitatively and

> accurately ascertain how much is the

> > > destiny/baggage part and the

> free will part.

> > > May be this is where modern day astrologers are

> lagging?

> > >

> > > Srinivasa

> > >

> > >

> --- On Tue, 5/26/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > >

> Namaste,

> > >

> > > > > how do we know that free

> will exists?.The so called free will can also

> > > > > be an

> asumption.As far as my experience goes whatever freewill existed

> > >

> > > for humans might have exited.I know majority will never agree

> but

> > > > > still......

> > >

> > > Well,

> free will DOES exist. In fact, what exactly is destiny anyway? There is no

> destiny if there is no free will, for today's act of free will shapes

tomorrow's

> destiny.

> > >

> > > In fact, Vasishtha tells Rama in " Yoga

> Vaasishtham " that there is nothing called destiny. He says all that is there

is

> your free will. He says that actions done in the past using your free will

will

> catch up with you and that catching up is given the name of destiny. This

> destiny is thus nothing external, but acts of your own free will getting back

at

> you.

> > >

> > > Just as a person who spends all his

> monthly salary in the first 10 days of the month may have no money to spend in

> the next 20 days, similarly people who abused their free will in the past may

be

> faced with such a weighty destiny that their free will is useless right now.

> Such people may feel that there is nothing called free will.

> > >

> > > The amount of leeway and wiggle room available for free may may

> vary from person to person and situation to situation, but it is a fact that

> free will exists and that acts of free will shape one's future.

> >

> >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > >

> > > > , " gopi_b927 "

> <gopi_b927@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> Narasimha garu,

> > > > >

> > > > > how do we know

> that free will exists?.The so called free will can also

> > > > >

> be an asumption.As far as my experience goes whatever freewill existed

> >

> > > > for humans might have exited.I know majority will never agree

> but

> > > > > still......

> > > > > --- In

> , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> Namaste,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I will share

> some freewheeling thoughts, in response to your question.

> > > > >

> I am cc'ing this to some astrology lists after removing your name from

> >

> > > > the mail.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> * * *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For those who are

> unaware of the prediction referred to below, here is

> > > > > a

> little background.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I had

> predicted in print in 2000 that Telugu film actor Chiranjeevi

> > > >

> > would come into politics in 2007-2009 and and enjoy some political

> >

> > > > power. At the time of that prediction, there were no such

> indications on

> > > > > the ground. But he did come into politics

> in the same timeframe. The

> > > > > initial talk was in 2007, he

> finally formed a party in 2008 and

> > > > > elections were in

> 2009. Though his party did badly, he was elected as a

> > > > >

> legislator (MLA) in May 2009.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > Thus, the original prediction was quite successful. However, I

> upped

> > > > > the ante last year by suggesting that Chiranjeevi'

> s party would do well

> > > > > in 2009 elections. Though I was not

> specific regarding his level of

> > > > > success and did not

> predict that he would become the Chief Minister, I

> > > > > was

> honestly expecting his party to do better than they managed. Thus,

> > >

> > > the followup of my original prediction is a failure.

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > * * *

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > It is my personal observation that the success rate in high

> profile

> > > > > political predictions is less than in regular

> predictions like marriage,

> > > > > job, childbirth etc in

> " regular " charts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In

> some cases, the reason is that the birthdata is not accurate and

> > >

> > > yet we are eager to make predictions. But sometimes we make

> bad

> > > > > predictions with good data too. Of course, it can be

> a human error in

> > > > > judging various factors. However, that

> human error seems to be a little

> > > > > more common in high

> profile political predictions than in regular

> > > > >

> predictions. What could be the reason?

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > I wonder if the factor of free will that is left out of

> astrology

> > > > > plays a bigger role in political charts. I will

> try to think loud and

> > > > > elaborate what I mean.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > > * * *

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > > One's birth chart contains the list of actions

> committed in previous

> > > > > lives using one's free will that

> are to give their reactions in this

> > > > > life. However, as

> life goes on, one accumulates newer actions committed

> > > > > in

> THIS life using one's free will. What happens at any point of time in

> >

> > > > one's life is a function of ALL actions committed by one until

> that

> > > > > point of time, INCLUDING the actions committed in

> THIS life until now.

> > > > > Some key actions committed using

> one's free will in THIS life,

> > > > > especially at important

> crossroads in life, should impact the life

> > > > > events from

> then onwards.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Many

> people are weighed down by too many karmas and always playing a

> > >

> > > catchup. In other words, destiny (sum of the actions of previous

> lives

> > > > > which are to give a reaction now) is too weighty

> and free will in this

> > > > > life has little scope. When the

> options available for the free will in

> > > > > this life are

> limited, there may not be significant actions using free

> > > > >

> will and hence the modifications to destiny based on actions of this

> >

> > > > life may not be big enough. Thus, horoscope may be sufficient to

> predict

> > > > > events.

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > However, highly popular, successful and high profile

> public

> > > > > personalities may have less restrictions and more

> options available for

> > > > > their free will. With their free

> will being more free and powerful, the

> > > > > actions committed

> by their free will may have a higher weightage. As we

> > > > > are

> able to see only their destiny in the horoscope (free will exercise

> > >

> > > upto birth) and unable to factor in how free will was exercised in

> this

> > > > > life until now, we are perhaps handicapped in our

> predictions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Whether a

> political leader is in limelight and becomes MP or the

> > > > >

> leader of opposition in parliament or the Prime Minister, he is enjoying

> >

> > > > some political power. Previous karmas placed him in a position to

> enjoy

> > > > > that power. To predict the specific degree of power

> and make an accurate

> > > > > prediction, is the horoscope

> sufficient always? Could the exercise of

> > > > > free will in

> this life until now make a difference in some high profile

> > > >

> > charts?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * *

> *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am just thinking

> loud here. Rather than posing a question and

> > > > > answering it

> myself, I will let learned friends ponder on this for

> > > > >

> themselves.. .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best

> regards,

> > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > > -

> > > >

> > > Dear PVR garu,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> Namaste.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you don't

> mind, could you please look in to why your prediction on

> > > > >

> Chiranjeevi failed ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I

> am not asking this question with a wrong intent. I wanted to

> > > >

> > understand if

> > > > > > 1) It is a human error (May be

> you ignored some data ? )

> > > > > > 2) You still can't

> understand why it failed and you think that was the

> > > > >

> correct prediction to be best of your knowledge.

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > > I had a 50-50 faith on astrology 3 years ago

> and after coming to know

> > > > > about you / your lessons I

> developed strong faith and I thought all the

> > > > > failures are

> not because of astrology but because of astrologer's lack

> > > > >

> of knowledge.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If it is

> case #1, it is okay. But if it is case #2, then we have a

> > > > >

> problem. We will have to conclude that the Jyotish knowledge that is

> >

> > > > available to us at this age is very limited and may not be

> accurate.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best

> Regards,

> > > > > >

> <deleted>