Horoscope, free will and high profile charts (Your prediction on Chiranjeevi)

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Rohini ji,

 

I read your elaborate write-up in boloji.com now.I liked the astrology

part of it immensely.

 

But for the freewill part as you yourself mentioned in it its all

aproduct of the mind only.(you may have a doubt but i have not.)Thats

the whole problem of human mind.Our own mind will be tricking us and we

are not aware!

 

No two people are alike because of the mind .Otherwise all humans are

one.Mind first seperates and then operates.I call it a culprit.So called

balanced mind is a rare phenomena.May be when moon posited well and

aspected/conjunct by both jupiter and saturn(again subject to some

variations).

 

We are back to FREEWILL.OH GOD where is it?How much i have.The answer

promptly comes i have none!I have no problem with the answer.

 

regards,

 

gopi.

 

 

, " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Gopi ji,

>

> With the presumed permission of the moderator and forum, I invite you

to read something that was published nearly 7 years ago (could have been

written a few years earlier though not shared widely):

>

> http://boloji.com/astro/00323.htm

>

> RR

>

> <MODERATOR: If this is not permissible, please delete the message and

accept my apologies>

>

>

>

> , " Rohiniranjan " jyotish_vani@

wrote:

> >

> > Gopi ji,

> >

> > May I submit my humble thoughts for your kind consideration?

> >

> > You are right, it may be all very complex or ridiculously simple,

but if destiny were atal and supreme and unchangeable but just something

to be sustained, then what would be the point of astrology or any

divination for that matter?

> >

> > When raised earlier, I have gotten answers from others such as: It

mentally prepares one! It allows one to remain balanced and not get too

proud when destiny is in favour or to get too desperate and depressed

when things are not going well and destiny's needle is pointing towards

the descendant (down).

> >

> > Makes perfect practical sense, but then the question arises.

> >

> > Why is this thing or being in our mental reality so important? Why

is it important to keep this entity that we astrologers are trying to

keep balanced in the mentality? Does this MIND capable of WORDS

(THOUGHTS and IDEAS) that then somehow may result in DEEDS (KARMA)?

> >

> > Are we back to FREE-WILL again, this time arising out of the

BALANCED mind?

> >

> > Hmmm...

> >

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " gopi_b927 " <gopi_b927@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Namasthe narasimha garu,

> > >

> > > really this freewill and destiny are 2 (too)complex.No one is

sure.What

> > > you are telling is someone's sayings or whatever.Do they operate

> > > now?What is our observation and experience is all i am interested

> > > in.They might have been operating those days of yore but we are

living

> > > beings now.That may be the reason for your prediction to go wrong!

> > >

> > > Frankly speaking i also felt that Chiranjeevi will fare better.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > gopi.

> > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > > > how do we know that free will exists?.The so called free

will can

> > > also

> > > > > > be an asumption.As far as my experience goes whatever

freewill

> > > existed

> > > > > > for humans might have exited.I know majority will never

agree but

> > > > > > still......

> > > >

> > > > Well, free will DOES exist. In fact, what exactly is destiny

anyway?

> > > There is no destiny if there is no free will, for today's act of

free

> > > will shapes tomorrow's destiny.

> > > >

> > > > In fact, Vasishtha tells Rama in " Yoga Vaasishtham " that there

is

> > > nothing called destiny. He says all that is there is your free

will. He

> > > says that actions done in the past using your free will will catch

up

> > > with you and that catching up is given the name of destiny. This

destiny

> > > is thus nothing external, but acts of your own free will getting

back at

> > > you.

> > > >

> > > > Just as a person who spends all his monthly salary in the first

10

> > > days of the month may have no money to spend in the next 20 days,

> > > similarly people who abused their free will in the past may be

faced

> > > with such a weighty destiny that their free will is useless right

now.

> > > Such people may feel that there is nothing called free will.

> > > >

> > > > The amount of leeway and wiggle room available for free may may

vary

> > > from person to person and situation to situation, but it is a fact

that

> > > free will exists and that acts of free will shape one's future.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > >

 

> > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

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> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > >

 

> > > >

> > > > , " Rohiniranjan "

jyotish_vani@

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Gopi ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Please understand that I am truly asking this sincerely and

somewhat

> > > musingly (not amusingly!):

> > > > >

> > > > > All these remedies, that are prescribed and followed, some

ending up

> > > being effective, others not (and there has never been a reliable

survey

> > > reporting the efficacy of remedies, sorted by type or aggregate --

only

> > > anecdotal accounts) -- what are these? Destiny or acts of free

will on

> > > the part of the nativity? In both cases where they choose to

follow

> > > these or choose not to follow the advice?

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > , " gopi_b927 " <gopi_b927@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Narasimha garu,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > how do we know that free will exists?.The so called free

will can

> > > also

> > > > > > be an asumption.As far as my experience goes whatever

freewill

> > > existed

> > > > > > for humans might have exited.I know majority will never

agree but

> > > > > > still......

> > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao "

<pvr@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I will share some freewheeling thoughts, in response to

your

> > > question.

> > > > > > I am cc'ing this to some astrology lists after removing your

name

> > > from

> > > > > > the mail.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For those who are unaware of the prediction referred to

below,

> > > here is

> > > > > > a little background.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I had predicted in print in 2000 that Telugu film actor

> > > Chiranjeevi

> > > > > > would come into politics in 2007-2009 and and enjoy some

political

> > > > > > power. At the time of that prediction, there were no such

> > > indications on

> > > > > > the ground. But he did come into politics in the same

timeframe.

> > > The

> > > > > > initial talk was in 2007, he finally formed a party in 2008

and

> > > > > > elections were in 2009. Though his party did badly, he was

elected

> > > as a

> > > > > > legislator (MLA) in May 2009.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thus, the original prediction was quite successful.

However, I

> > > upped

> > > > > > the ante last year by suggesting that Chiranjeevi's party

would do

> > > well

> > > > > > in 2009 elections. Though I was not specific regarding his

level

> > > of

> > > > > > success and did not predict that he would become the Chief

> > > Minister, I

> > > > > > was honestly expecting his party to do better than they

managed.

> > > Thus,

> > > > > > the followup of my original prediction is a failure.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is my personal observation that the success rate in

high

> > > profile

> > > > > > political predictions is less than in regular predictions

like

> > > marriage,

> > > > > > job, childbirth etc in " regular " charts.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In some cases, the reason is that the birthdata is not

accurate

> > > and

> > > > > > yet we are eager to make predictions. But sometimes we make

bad

> > > > > > predictions with good data too. Of course, it can be a human

error

> > > in

> > > > > > judging various factors. However, that human error seems to

be a

> > > little

> > > > > > more common in high profile political predictions than in

regular

> > > > > > predictions. What could be the reason?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I wonder if the factor of free will that is left out of

> > > astrology

> > > > > > plays a bigger role in political charts. I will try to think

loud

> > > and

> > > > > > elaborate what I mean.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > One's birth chart contains the list of actions committed

in

> > > previous

> > > > > > lives using one's free will that are to give their reactions

in

> > > this

> > > > > > life. However, as life goes on, one accumulates newer

actions

> > > committed

> > > > > > in THIS life using one's free will. What happens at any

point of

> > > time in

> > > > > > one's life is a function of ALL actions committed by one

until

> > > that

> > > > > > point of time, INCLUDING the actions committed in THIS life

until

> > > now.

> > > > > > Some key actions committed using one's free will in THIS

life,

> > > > > > especially at important crossroads in life, should impact

the life

> > > > > > events from then onwards.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Many people are weighed down by too many karmas and always

> > > playing a

> > > > > > catchup. In other words, destiny (sum of the actions of

previous

> > > lives

> > > > > > which are to give a reaction now) is too weighty and free

will in

> > > this

> > > > > > life has little scope. When the options available for the

free

> > > will in

> > > > > > this life are limited, there may not be significant actions

using

> > > free

> > > > > > will and hence the modifications to destiny based on actions

of

> > > this

> > > > > > life may not be big enough. Thus, horoscope may be

sufficient to

> > > predict

> > > > > > events.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However, highly popular, successful and high profile

public

> > > > > > personalities may have less restrictions and more options

> > > available for

> > > > > > their free will. With their free will being more free and

> > > powerful, the

> > > > > > actions committed by their free will may have a higher

weightage.

> > > As we

> > > > > > are able to see only their destiny in the horoscope (free

will

> > > exercise

> > > > > > upto birth) and unable to factor in how free will was

exercised in

> > > this

> > > > > > life until now, we are perhaps handicapped in our

predictions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Whether a political leader is in limelight and becomes MP

or the

> > > > > > leader of opposition in parliament or the Prime Minister, he

is

> > > enjoying

> > > > > > some political power. Previous karmas placed him in a

position to

> > > enjoy

> > > > > > that power. To predict the specific degree of power and make

an

> > > accurate

> > > > > > prediction, is the horoscope sufficient always? Could the

exercise

> > > of

> > > > > > free will in this life until now make a difference in some

high

> > > profile

> > > > > > charts?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am just thinking loud here. Rather than posing a

question and

> > > > > > answering it myself, I will let learned friends ponder on

this for

> > > > > > themselves...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself:

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:

> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> > > > > > > Spirituality:

> > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > Dear PVR garu,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you don't mind, could you please look in to why your

> > > prediction on

> > > > > > Chiranjeevi failed ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am not asking this question with a wrong intent. I

wanted to

> > > > > > understand if

> > > > > > > 1) It is a human error (May be you ignored some data ? )

> > > > > > > 2) You still can't understand why it failed and you think

that

> > > was the

> > > > > > correct prediction to be best of your knowledge.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I had a 50-50 faith on astrology 3 years ago and after

coming to

> > > know

> > > > > > about you / your lessons I developed strong faith and I

thought

> > > all the

> > > > > > failures are not because of astrology but because of

astrologer's

> > > lack

> > > > > > of knowledge.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If it is case #1, it is okay. But if it is case #2, then

we have

> > > a

> > > > > > problem. We will have to conclude that the Jyotish knowledge

that

> > > is

> > > > > > available to us at this age is very limited and may not be

> > > accurate.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best Regards,

> > > > > > > <deleted>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >