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Mr Prashant Pandey has been entrusted by the team of Mr AK Kaul to abuse

ancient Siddhaantas as works of Rakshasas (demons) and includes me among

demons : " Those Devils(Terrorists, Aatankwadi log) are still around and

roaming around,, even on internet- forums now-a-days " .

 

Jyotisha has three skandhas from ancient times : Siddhaanta, Horaa, and

Samhitaa, and the team of Mr AKK is hell bent on declaring entire

Jyotisha as foreign, basing their fallacious arguments not upon original

Indian works but upon biased opinions of Hindu-haters like Wiztel. Mr

AKK and Mr Prashant Pandey believe in one part of anti-India propaganda

by abusing Jyotisha, esp Siddhanta, while keeps quiet about about

another part of this anti-India propaganda which regards all Rishis to

be descendants of beef eaters from Eastern Europe (Aryan Invasion

Theory).

 

Mr Prashant Pandey can only abuse me because he and his guru AKK are

deficient in arguments. AKK & c do not know any skandha of Jyotisha,

Siddhaanta, Horaa or Samhitaa, and therefore they must abuse the grapes

as sour.

 

This is an astrological forum which Mr Prashant Pandey is misusing for

abusing Indian astrology. Calling me a demon will not give these fellows

knowleable about Siddhanta. Please ask them to solve the problem of

Vedanga Jyotisha dating which they are now putting in the category of

works influenced by foreigners : show here how it can be put around 1300

or 1400 BCE as Mr AKK wrote. Borrowing Western garbage and abusing

Indian texts will not make them Hindus. Hence, please show here how

Vedanga Jyotisha can be put around 1300 or 1400 BCE as Mr AKK wrote .

Instead of abusing, use some brains (if you have any) to solve this

problem. Witzel puts Vedanga Jyotisha around 300 BCE, neglecting the

astronomical conditions described. Colebrooke & c put it around 1400 BCE,

which AKK accepts. But both are wrong. Vedanga Jyotisha is a much

earlier work, and any honest discussion will faksify the claim of those

who regard any Veda or Vedanga as foreign.

 

-Vinay Jha

==================== =====

vedic astrology , Astrolearner Brazil

<astrolearner_brazil wrote:

>

> --- On Thu, 28/5/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul jyotirved wrote:

>

> Avtar Krishen Kaul jyotirved

> [HinduCalendar] Fwd: David Pingree's and Eric Forbes' papers

on Mesopotamian influence on Indian astronomy

> hinducalendar

> Thursday, 28 May, 2009, 7:45 AM

Abhinavagupta, " Sunthar Visuvalingam "

suntharv@ .> wrote:

>

> You can find the full text of David Pingree's paper " The Mesopotamian

Origin

> of Early Indian Mathematical Astronomy " at

>

> http://articles. adsabs.harvard. edu//full/ 1973JHA.. ...4....1P/

0000001.000. htm

> l

> <http://articles. adsabs.harvard. edu/full/ 1973JHA.. ...4....1P/

0000001.000. htm

> l>

>

> and also another relevant paper (in PDF) by Eric G. Forbes,

" Mesopotamian

> and Greek influences on Ancient Indian Astronomy and on the work of

> ÂryabhaTa at

>

> http://www.new. dli.ernet. in/rawdataupload /upload/insa/

INSA_1/20005af8_ 150.pd

> f

>

> Sunthar

>

> [Follow-up on my comment (below) on Francesco's post (26 May 2009) at

>

> http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5047

>

> Rest of this thread at Koenraad's post (26 May 2009) at

>

> http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5051]

>

> †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †"

>

> Francesco,

>

> I've temporarily changed the setting to allow members to upload files,

and

> will change it back to moderator only after you post the link to the

> uploaded file(s).

>

> >

>

> >

>

> Sunthar

>

>

> Francesco Brighenti

> Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:07 AM

> Abhinavagupta

> [Abhinavagupta] Re: Secrets of the Earth

>

> >

>

> Indeed, on pp. 72-74 of his paper uploaded at

>

> http://www.ejvs. laurasianacademy .com/ejvs0703/ ejvs0703article. pdf

,

>

> Witzel therein supplies a terse yet dense discussion of the wrong

(according

> to his views) dating of the VJ at 1400 BCE. To this effect, he also

cites a

> paper by the well-known world espert of jyotihshastra (Sanskrit astral

and

> mathematical literature), David Pingree, which I have loaded on my PC

(D.

> Pingree, " The Mesopotamian Origin of Early Indian Mathematical

Astronomy, "

> _Journal for the History of Astronomy_ 4 [1973], pp. 1-12). I'd like

to

> upload a copy of this paper on the Files section of the Abhinavagupta

List,

> but, due to some restriction set up by the Moderator, this is not

allowed to

> me (and I cannot even attach it to a message to the List because I

don't use

> an e-mail program, but write my messages directly on the Web instead).

If

> Sunthar wants, I can e-mail a copy of this paper directly to him as a

PDF

> attachment, and he can then add it to the List's Files section. In the

> meanwhile, you can read Witzel's faithful summary of Pingree's

arguments

> against the dating of the VJ at 1400 BCE on p. 73 of the paper whose

link I

> have provided above.

>

> I'd like to see your detailed counter-arguments against Pingree &

Witzel's

> conclusions, Koenraad. Same w.r.t. Avtar Krishen Kaul's post archived

at

>

> http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5036 ,

>

> for, as far as I can see, his " super-high " chronology for the Vedas

and the

> Mahabharata almost entirely rests on the assumption that the VJ was

composed

> circa 1400 BCE.

>

> Kindest regards,

>

> Francesco

>

> [Response to Koenraad's post (26 May 2009) at

>

> http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5044]

>

> ------------ --------

>

> --- End forwarded message ---

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

>

>

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Dear Vinayji,

Why don't you join HinduCalendar forum and express your differences there since,

as far as I know, posts on that forum are not moderated and nobody has been

banned from that forum, unlike this Vedic-astrology forum, that has banned Mr.

Kaul.

I know you will call me a stooge of Mr. Kaul, or even Kaul with a fake id, but

that does not matter, since I want you to find out for yourself certain facts

about the real Vedic culture, as I have yet to see anyone, including you, with

such a command over the Vedas, Puranas, Sidhantas etc. etc. and even

phalita-jyotisha shastras, as Mr. Kaul! After all, he was not awarded

NOSTRADAMUS AWARD for correct predictions for nothing!

Best regards,

Jyotishi2001

 

vedic astrology , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Mr Prashant Pandey has been entrusted by the team of Mr AK Kaul to abuse

> ancient Siddhaantas as works of Rakshasas (demons) and includes me among

> demons : " Those Devils(Terrorists, Aatankwadi log) are still around and

> roaming around,, even on internet- forums now-a-days " .

>

> Jyotisha has three skandhas from ancient times : Siddhaanta, Horaa, and

> Samhitaa, and the team of Mr AKK is hell bent on declaring entire

> Jyotisha as foreign, basing their fallacious arguments not upon original

> Indian works but upon biased opinions of Hindu-haters like Wiztel. Mr

> AKK and Mr Prashant Pandey believe in one part of anti-India propaganda

> by abusing Jyotisha, esp Siddhanta, while keeps quiet about about

> another part of this anti-India propaganda which regards all Rishis to

> be descendants of beef eaters from Eastern Europe (Aryan Invasion

> Theory).

>

> Mr Prashant Pandey can only abuse me because he and his guru AKK are

> deficient in arguments. AKK & c do not know any skandha of Jyotisha,

> Siddhaanta, Horaa or Samhitaa, and therefore they must abuse the grapes

> as sour.

>

> This is an astrological forum which Mr Prashant Pandey is misusing for

> abusing Indian astrology. Calling me a demon will not give these fellows

> knowleable about Siddhanta. Please ask them to solve the problem of

> Vedanga Jyotisha dating which they are now putting in the category of

> works influenced by foreigners : show here how it can be put around 1300

> or 1400 BCE as Mr AKK wrote. Borrowing Western garbage and abusing

> Indian texts will not make them Hindus. Hence, please show here how

> Vedanga Jyotisha can be put around 1300 or 1400 BCE as Mr AKK wrote .

> Instead of abusing, use some brains (if you have any) to solve this

> problem. Witzel puts Vedanga Jyotisha around 300 BCE, neglecting the

> astronomical conditions described. Colebrooke & c put it around 1400 BCE,

> which AKK accepts. But both are wrong. Vedanga Jyotisha is a much

> earlier work, and any honest discussion will faksify the claim of those

> who regard any Veda or Vedanga as foreign.

>

> -Vinay Jha

> ==================== =====

> vedic astrology , Astrolearner Brazil

> <astrolearner_brazil@> wrote:

> >

> > --- On Thu, 28/5/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul jyotirved@ wrote:

> >

> > Avtar Krishen Kaul jyotirved@

> > [HinduCalendar] Fwd: David Pingree's and Eric Forbes' papers

> on Mesopotamian influence on Indian astronomy

> > hinducalendar

> > Thursday, 28 May, 2009, 7:45 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Abhinavagupta, " Sunthar Visuvalingam "

> suntharv@ .> wrote:

> >

> > You can find the full text of David Pingree's paper " The Mesopotamian

> Origin

> > of Early Indian Mathematical Astronomy " at

> >

> > http://articles. adsabs.harvard. edu//full/ 1973JHA.. ...4....1P/

> 0000001.000. htm

> > l

> > <http://articles. adsabs.harvard. edu/full/ 1973JHA.. ...4....1P/

> 0000001.000. htm

> > l>

> >

> > and also another relevant paper (in PDF) by Eric G. Forbes,

> " Mesopotamian

> > and Greek influences on Ancient Indian Astronomy and on the work of

> > ÂryabhaTa at

> >

> > http://www.new. dli.ernet. in/rawdataupload /upload/insa/

> INSA_1/20005af8_ 150.pd

> > f

> >

> > Sunthar

> >

> > [Follow-up on my comment (below) on Francesco's post (26 May 2009) at

> >

> > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5047

> >

> > Rest of this thread at Koenraad's post (26 May 2009) at

> >

> > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5051]

> >

> > †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †"

> >

> > Francesco,

> >

> > I've temporarily changed the setting to allow members to upload files,

> and

> > will change it back to moderator only after you post the link to the

> > uploaded file(s).

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > Sunthar

> >

> >

> > Francesco Brighenti

> > Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:07 AM

> > Abhinavagupta

> > [Abhinavagupta] Re: Secrets of the Earth

> >

> > >

> >

> > Indeed, on pp. 72-74 of his paper uploaded at

> >

> > http://www.ejvs. laurasianacademy .com/ejvs0703/ ejvs0703article. pdf

> ,

> >

> > Witzel therein supplies a terse yet dense discussion of the wrong

> (according

> > to his views) dating of the VJ at 1400 BCE. To this effect, he also

> cites a

> > paper by the well-known world espert of jyotihshastra (Sanskrit astral

> and

> > mathematical literature), David Pingree, which I have loaded on my PC

> (D.

> > Pingree, " The Mesopotamian Origin of Early Indian Mathematical

> Astronomy, "

> > _Journal for the History of Astronomy_ 4 [1973], pp. 1-12). I'd like

> to

> > upload a copy of this paper on the Files section of the Abhinavagupta

> List,

> > but, due to some restriction set up by the Moderator, this is not

> allowed to

> > me (and I cannot even attach it to a message to the List because I

> don't use

> > an e-mail program, but write my messages directly on the Web instead).

> If

> > Sunthar wants, I can e-mail a copy of this paper directly to him as a

> PDF

> > attachment, and he can then add it to the List's Files section. In the

> > meanwhile, you can read Witzel's faithful summary of Pingree's

> arguments

> > against the dating of the VJ at 1400 BCE on p. 73 of the paper whose

> link I

> > have provided above.

> >

> > I'd like to see your detailed counter-arguments against Pingree &

> Witzel's

> > conclusions, Koenraad. Same w.r.t. Avtar Krishen Kaul's post archived

> at

> >

> > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5036 ,

> >

> > for, as far as I can see, his " super-high " chronology for the Vedas

> and the

> > Mahabharata almost entirely rests on the assumption that the VJ was

> composed

> > circa 1400 BCE.

> >

> > Kindest regards,

> >

> > Francesco

> >

> > [Response to Koenraad's post (26 May 2009) at

> >

> > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5044]

> >

> > ------------ --------

> >

> > --- End forwarded message ---

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with

> India Travel http://in.travel./

> >

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<<< " I have yet to see anyone, including you, with such a command over the

Vedas, Puranas, Sidhantas etc. etc. and even phalita-jyotisha shastras,

as Mr. Kaul! " >>>

 

 

I have already given references to Raashi in Vedas, yet Mr AKK & c

neglect my messages and keep on harping that Raashi was unknown in

Vedic period. I countered his wrong computations of ayanamsha, and instead

of answering me he left the debate and is boycotting me since then, and

therafter Mr Prashant Pandey

descended from somewhere to abuse me.

 

Hindu Calendar does not need reforms from those who do not know how to compute

planetary positions. I do not need certificates from you.. I have first hand

experience of

the " greatness " of Mr Kaul.

 

Mr Kaul & c are abusing Siddhantic astronomy as " foreign " . It is sour grape

syndrome of ignorants. If the team of Mr Kaul gives an answer to a very simple

question from Siddhantic astronomy, which a 20-21 year year old student of

Jyotishaachaarya is expected to know, I vow I will become a slave of Mr Kaul in

all matters :

 

Makaranda Tables are oldest tables (1478 AD) based on Suryasiddhanta, older than

the extant manuscripts of Ranganaatha and others. Please give give the

Suryasiddhantic equation of Makaranda Table of equation of centre (Manda Phala)

for any of the five planets from Mercury to Saturn. The first verse of Makaranda

Tablessays it is Suryasiddhantic.

 

Or, give me the date of Vedaanga Jyotisha which Mr AKK claims to be of 1300

BCE. If Mr AKK proves his date right, even with a margin of eroor of many

centuries, I will become his disciple and slave.

 

OK ???

 

I cannot join all forums. There are only 24 hours in a day, and I have

set foot outside my working place for two months due to overload of

work.

 

-VJ

======================== ================

 

 

________________________________

jyotishi2001 <jyotishi2001

vedic astrology

Saturday, May 30, 2009 2:44:14 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: [HinduCalendar] Fwd: Mesopotamian influence :

Disowning One's Heritage

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Vinayji,

Why don't you join HinduCalendar forum and express your differences there since,

as far as I know, posts on that forum are not moderated and nobody has been

banned from that forum, unlike this Vedic-astrology forum, that has banned Mr.

Kaul.

I know you will call me a stooge of Mr. Kaul, or even Kaul with a fake id, but

that does not matter, since I want you to find out for yourself certain facts

about the real Vedic culture, as I have yet to see anyone, including you, with

such a command over the Vedas, Puranas, Sidhantas etc. etc. and even

phalita-jyotisha shastras, as Mr. Kaul! After all, he was not awarded

NOSTRADAMUS AWARD for correct predictions for nothing!

Best regards,

Jyotishi2001

 

vedic astrology, " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Mr Prashant Pandey has been entrusted by the team of Mr AK Kaul to abuse

> ancient Siddhaantas as works of Rakshasas (demons) and includes me among

> demons : " Those Devils(Terrorists, Aatankwadi log) are still around and

> roaming around,, even on internet- forums now-a-days " .

>

> Jyotisha has three skandhas from ancient times : Siddhaanta, Horaa, and

> Samhitaa, and the team of Mr AKK is hell bent on declaring entire

> Jyotisha as foreign, basing their fallacious arguments not upon original

> Indian works but upon biased opinions of Hindu-haters like Wiztel. Mr

> AKK and Mr Prashant Pandey believe in one part of anti-India propaganda

> by abusing Jyotisha, esp Siddhanta, while keeps quiet about about

> another part of this anti-India propaganda which regards all Rishis to

> be descendants of beef eaters from Eastern Europe (Aryan Invasion

> Theory).

>

> Mr Prashant Pandey can only abuse me because he and his guru AKK are

> deficient in arguments. AKK & c do not know any skandha of Jyotisha,

> Siddhaanta, Horaa or Samhitaa, and therefore they must abuse the grapes

> as sour.

>

> This is an astrological forum which Mr Prashant Pandey is misusing for

> abusing Indian astrology. Calling me a demon will not give these fellows

> knowleable about Siddhanta.. Please ask them to solve the problem of

> Vedanga Jyotisha dating which they are now putting in the category of

> works influenced by foreigners : show here how it can be put around 1300

> or 1400 BCE as Mr AKK wrote. Borrowing Western garbage and abusing

> Indian texts will not make them Hindus. Hence, please show here how

> Vedanga Jyotisha can be put around 1300 or 1400 BCE as Mr AKK wrote .

> Instead of abusing, use some brains (if you have any) to solve this

> problem. Witzel puts Vedanga Jyotisha around 300 BCE, neglecting the

> astronomical conditions described. Colebrooke & c put it around 1400 BCE,

> which AKK accepts. But both are wrong. Vedanga Jyotisha is a much

> earlier work, and any honest discussion will faksify the claim of those

> who regard any Veda or Vedanga as foreign.

>

> -Vinay Jha

> ============ ======== =====

> vedic astrology, Astrolearner Brazil

> <astrolearner_ brazil@> wrote:

> >

> > --- On Thu, 28/5/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul jyotirved@ wrote:

> >

> > Avtar Krishen Kaul jyotirved@

> > [HinduCalendar] Fwd: David Pingree's and Eric Forbes' papers

> on Mesopotamian influence on Indian astronomy

> > hinducalendar

> > Thursday, 28 May, 2009, 7:45 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Abhinavagupta, " Sunthar Visuvalingam "

> suntharv@ .> wrote:

> >

> > You can find the full text of David Pingree's paper " The Mesopotamian

> Origin

> > of Early Indian Mathematical Astronomy " at

> >

> > http://articles. adsabs.harvard. edu//full/ 1973JHA.. ...4....1P/

> 0000001.000. htm

> > l

> > <http://articles. adsabs.harvard. edu/full/ 1973JHA.. ....4....1P/

> 0000001.000. htm

> > l>

> >

> > and also another relevant paper (in PDF) by Eric G. Forbes,

> " Mesopotamian

> > and Greek influences on Ancient Indian Astronomy and on the work of

> > ÂryabhaTa at

> >

> > http://www.new. dli.ernet. in/rawdataupload /upload/insa/

> INSA_1/20005af8_ 150.pd

> > f

> >

> > Sunthar

> >

> > [Follow-up on my comment (below) on Francesco's post (26 May 2009) at

> >

> > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5047

> >

> > Rest of this thread at Koenraad's post (26 May 2009) at

> >

> > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5051]

> >

> >

†" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †"

> >

> > Francesco,

> >

> > I've temporarily changed the setting to allow members to upload files,

> and

> > will change it back to moderator only after you post the link to the

> > uploaded file(s).

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > Sunthar

> >

> >

> > Francesco Brighenti

> > Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:07 AM

> > Abhinavagupta

> > [Abhinavagupta] Re: Secrets of the Earth

> >

> > >

> >

> > Indeed, on pp. 72-74 of his paper uploaded at

> >

> > http://www.ejvs. laurasianacademy .com/ejvs0703/ ejvs0703article. pdf

> ,

> >

> > Witzel therein supplies a terse yet dense discussion of the wrong

> (according

> > to his views) dating of the VJ at 1400 BCE. To this effect, he also

> cites a

> > paper by the well-known world espert of jyotihshastra (Sanskrit astral

> and

> > mathematical literature), David Pingree, which I have loaded on my PC

> (D.

> > Pingree, " The Mesopotamian Origin of Early Indian Mathematical

> Astronomy, "

> > _Journal for the History of Astronomy_ 4 [1973], pp. 1-12). I'd like

> to

> > upload a copy of this paper on the Files section of the Abhinavagupta

> List,

> > but, due to some restriction set up by the Moderator, this is not

> allowed to

> > me (and I cannot even attach it to a message to the List because I

> don't use

> > an e-mail program, but write my messages directly on the Web instead).

> If

> > Sunthar wants, I can e-mail a copy of this paper directly to him as a

> PDF

> > attachment, and he can then add it to the List's Files section. In the

> > meanwhile, you can read Witzel's faithful summary of Pingree's

> arguments

> > against the dating of the VJ at 1400 BCE on p. 73 of the paper whose

> link I

> > have provided above.

> >

> > I'd like to see your detailed counter-arguments against Pingree &

> Witzel's

> > conclusions, Koenraad. Same w.r.t. Avtar Krishen Kaul's post archived

> at

> >

> > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5036 ,

> >

> > for, as far as I can see, his " super-high " chronology for the Vedas

> and the

> > Mahabharata almost entirely rests on the assumption that the VJ was

> composed

> > circa 1400 BCE.

> >

> > Kindest regards,

> >

> > Francesco

> >

> > [Response to Koenraad's post (26 May 2009) at

> >

> > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5044]

> >

> > ------------ --------

> >

> > --- End forwarded message ---

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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< I have already given references to Raashi in Vedas, yet Mr AKK & c

neglect my messages and keep on harping that Raashi was unknown in

Vedic period. >

 

About what VERSE you are talking about.Provide again.

 

< I countered his wrong computations of ayanamsha, and instead

of answering me he left the debate and is boycotting me since then >

 

Please dont talk of your comptational things as you cant calculate the real

location and you are claiming big claims.

 

< Hindu Calendar does not need reforms from those who do not know how to compute

planetary positions. >

 

It applies to you not to others, you are the only person who is claiming only

wrong planetary location.

 

< I do not need certificates from you.. I have first hand experience of the

" greatness " of Mr Kaul. >

 

You cant get certificate from any for your stupid claims.

 

< Mr Kaul & c are abusing Siddhantic astronomy as " foreign " . It is sour grape

syndrome of ignorants. If the team of Mr Kaul gives an answer to a very simple

question from Siddhantic astronomy, which a 20-21 year year old student of

Jyotishaachaarya is expected to know, I vow I will become a slave of Mr Kaul in

all matters : >

 

You are repeating again and again false claims about sidhanta etc etc...Keep

that aside as here all know it cant locate real planetary location

 

< Makaranda Tables are oldest tables (1478 AD) based on Suryasiddhanta, older

than the extant manuscripts of Ranganaatha and others. Please give give the

Suryasiddhantic equation of Makaranda Table of equation of centre (Manda Phala)

for any of the five planets from Mercury to Saturn. The first verse of Makaranda

Tablessays it is Suryasiddhantic. >

 

1478 AD is old thing?? Huh here we are talking of VEDAS and you are talking of

table.Please keep that in your pocket for you Sidhanta which hold no water in

reality as you have already said that it differs from reality

 

< Or, give me the date of Vedaanga Jyotisha which Mr AKK claims to be of 1300

BCE. If Mr AKK proves his date right, even with a margin of eroor of many

centuries, I will become his disciple and slave. >

 

He is not claiming a lobby is claiming who have calculated on the basis of VE

point.Why you dont understand the point.You are already slave.

 

< I cannot join all forums. There are only 24 hours in a day, and I have set

foot outside my working place for two months due to overload of work. >

 

It is my sincere advice dont join otherwise you will loose arguments from first

day, i m saying this after reading your all documents and mails

You claim you are monk and now working place, why you make fool all ppl

 

vedic astrology , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

>

> <<< " I have yet to see anyone, including you, with such a command over the

> Vedas, Puranas, Sidhantas etc. etc. and even phalita-jyotisha shastras,

> as Mr. Kaul! " >>>

>

>

> I have already given references to Raashi in Vedas, yet Mr AKK & c

> neglect my messages and keep on harping that Raashi was unknown in

> Vedic period. I countered his wrong computations of ayanamsha, and instead

> of answering me he left the debate and is boycotting me since then, and

therafter Mr Prashant Pandey

> descended from somewhere to abuse me.

>

> Hindu Calendar does not need reforms from those who do not know how to compute

planetary positions. I do not need certificates from you.. I have first hand

experience of

> the " greatness " of Mr Kaul.

>

> Mr Kaul & c are abusing Siddhantic astronomy as " foreign " . It is sour grape

syndrome of ignorants. If the team of Mr Kaul gives an answer to a very simple

question from Siddhantic astronomy, which a 20-21 year year old student of

Jyotishaachaarya is expected to know, I vow I will become a slave of Mr Kaul in

all matters :

>

> Makaranda Tables are oldest tables (1478 AD) based on Suryasiddhanta, older

than the extant manuscripts of Ranganaatha and others. Please give give the

Suryasiddhantic equation of Makaranda Table of equation of centre (Manda Phala)

for any of the five planets from Mercury to Saturn. The first verse of Makaranda

Tablessays it is Suryasiddhantic.

>

> Or, give me the date of Vedaanga Jyotisha which Mr AKK claims to be of 1300

BCE. If Mr AKK proves his date right, even with a margin of eroor of many

centuries, I will become his disciple and slave.

>

> OK ???

>

> I cannot join all forums. There are only 24 hours in a day, and I have

> set foot outside my working place for two months due to overload of

> work.

>

> -VJ

> ======================== ================

>

>

> ________________________________

> jyotishi2001 <jyotishi2001@>

> vedic astrology

> Saturday, May 30, 2009 2:44:14 PM

> [vedic astrology] Re: [HinduCalendar] Fwd: Mesopotamian influence :

Disowning One's Heritage

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Vinayji,

> Why don't you join HinduCalendar forum and express your differences there

since, as far as I know, posts on that forum are not moderated and nobody has

been banned from that forum, unlike this Vedic-astrology forum, that has banned

Mr. Kaul.

> I know you will call me a stooge of Mr. Kaul, or even Kaul with a fake id, but

that does not matter, since I want you to find out for yourself certain facts

about the real Vedic culture, as I have yet to see anyone, including you, with

such a command over the Vedas, Puranas, Sidhantas etc. etc. and even

phalita-jyotisha shastras, as Mr. Kaul! After all, he was not awarded

NOSTRADAMUS AWARD for correct predictions for nothing!

> Best regards,

> Jyotishi2001

>

> vedic astrology, " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Mr Prashant Pandey has been entrusted by the team of Mr AK Kaul to abuse

> > ancient Siddhaantas as works of Rakshasas (demons) and includes me among

> > demons : " Those Devils(Terrorists, Aatankwadi log) are still around and

> > roaming around,, even on internet- forums now-a-days " .

> >

> > Jyotisha has three skandhas from ancient times : Siddhaanta, Horaa, and

> > Samhitaa, and the team of Mr AKK is hell bent on declaring entire

> > Jyotisha as foreign, basing their fallacious arguments not upon original

> > Indian works but upon biased opinions of Hindu-haters like Wiztel. Mr

> > AKK and Mr Prashant Pandey believe in one part of anti-India propaganda

> > by abusing Jyotisha, esp Siddhanta, while keeps quiet about about

> > another part of this anti-India propaganda which regards all Rishis to

> > be descendants of beef eaters from Eastern Europe (Aryan Invasion

> > Theory).

> >

> > Mr Prashant Pandey can only abuse me because he and his guru AKK are

> > deficient in arguments. AKK & c do not know any skandha of Jyotisha,

> > Siddhaanta, Horaa or Samhitaa, and therefore they must abuse the grapes

> > as sour.

> >

> > This is an astrological forum which Mr Prashant Pandey is misusing for

> > abusing Indian astrology. Calling me a demon will not give these fellows

> > knowleable about Siddhanta.. Please ask them to solve the problem of

> > Vedanga Jyotisha dating which they are now putting in the category of

> > works influenced by foreigners : show here how it can be put around 1300

> > or 1400 BCE as Mr AKK wrote. Borrowing Western garbage and abusing

> > Indian texts will not make them Hindus. Hence, please show here how

> > Vedanga Jyotisha can be put around 1300 or 1400 BCE as Mr AKK wrote .

> > Instead of abusing, use some brains (if you have any) to solve this

> > problem. Witzel puts Vedanga Jyotisha around 300 BCE, neglecting the

> > astronomical conditions described. Colebrooke & c put it around 1400 BCE,

> > which AKK accepts. But both are wrong. Vedanga Jyotisha is a much

> > earlier work, and any honest discussion will faksify the claim of those

> > who regard any Veda or Vedanga as foreign.

> >

> > -Vinay Jha

> > ============ ======== =====

> > vedic astrology, Astrolearner Brazil

> > <astrolearner_ brazil@> wrote:

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 28/5/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul jyotirved@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Avtar Krishen Kaul jyotirved@

> > > [HinduCalendar] Fwd: David Pingree's and Eric Forbes' papers

> > on Mesopotamian influence on Indian astronomy

> > > hinducalendar

> > > Thursday, 28 May, 2009, 7:45 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Abhinavagupta, " Sunthar Visuvalingam "

> > suntharv@ .> wrote:

> > >

> > > You can find the full text of David Pingree's paper " The Mesopotamian

> > Origin

> > > of Early Indian Mathematical Astronomy " at

> > >

> > > http://articles. adsabs.harvard. edu//full/ 1973JHA.. ...4....1P/

> > 0000001.000. htm

> > > l

> > > <http://articles. adsabs.harvard. edu/full/ 1973JHA.. ....4....1P/

> > 0000001.000. htm

> > > l>

> > >

> > > and also another relevant paper (in PDF) by Eric G. Forbes,

> > " Mesopotamian

> > > and Greek influences on Ancient Indian Astronomy and on the work of

> > > ÂryabhaTa at

> > >

> > > http://www.new. dli.ernet. in/rawdataupload /upload/insa/

> > INSA_1/20005af8_ 150.pd

> > > f

> > >

> > > Sunthar

> > >

> > > [Follow-up on my comment (below) on Francesco's post (26 May 2009) at

> > >

> > > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5047

> > >

> > > Rest of this thread at Koenraad's post (26 May 2009) at

> > >

> > > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5051]

> > >

> > >

†" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †"

> > >

> > > Francesco,

> > >

> > > I've temporarily changed the setting to allow members to upload files,

> > and

> > > will change it back to moderator only after you post the link to the

> > > uploaded file(s).

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > Sunthar

> > >

> > >

> > > Francesco Brighenti

> > > Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:07 AM

> > > Abhinavagupta

> > > [Abhinavagupta] Re: Secrets of the Earth

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > Indeed, on pp. 72-74 of his paper uploaded at

> > >

> > > http://www.ejvs. laurasianacademy .com/ejvs0703/ ejvs0703article. pdf

> > ,

> > >

> > > Witzel therein supplies a terse yet dense discussion of the wrong

> > (according

> > > to his views) dating of the VJ at 1400 BCE. To this effect, he also

> > cites a

> > > paper by the well-known world espert of jyotihshastra (Sanskrit astral

> > and

> > > mathematical literature), David Pingree, which I have loaded on my PC

> > (D.

> > > Pingree, " The Mesopotamian Origin of Early Indian Mathematical

> > Astronomy, "

> > > _Journal for the History of Astronomy_ 4 [1973], pp. 1-12). I'd like

> > to

> > > upload a copy of this paper on the Files section of the Abhinavagupta

> > List,

> > > but, due to some restriction set up by the Moderator, this is not

> > allowed to

> > > me (and I cannot even attach it to a message to the List because I

> > don't use

> > > an e-mail program, but write my messages directly on the Web instead).

> > If

> > > Sunthar wants, I can e-mail a copy of this paper directly to him as a

> > PDF

> > > attachment, and he can then add it to the List's Files section. In the

> > > meanwhile, you can read Witzel's faithful summary of Pingree's

> > arguments

> > > against the dating of the VJ at 1400 BCE on p. 73 of the paper whose

> > link I

> > > have provided above.

> > >

> > > I'd like to see your detailed counter-arguments against Pingree &

> > Witzel's

> > > conclusions, Koenraad. Same w.r.t. Avtar Krishen Kaul's post archived

> > at

> > >

> > > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5036 ,

> > >

> > > for, as far as I can see, his " super-high " chronology for the Vedas

> > and the

> > > Mahabharata almost entirely rests on the assumption that the VJ was

> > composed

> > > circa 1400 BCE.

> > >

> > > Kindest regards,

> > >

> > > Francesco

> > >

> > > [Response to Koenraad's post (26 May 2009) at

> > >

> > > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5044]

> > >

> > > ------------ --------

> > >

> > > --- End forwarded message ---

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > >

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Dear Vinayji,

BHU, the world famous university of Varanasi, is publishing a panchanga based

entirely on the Surya Sidhata, since it is a divine work according to them.

However, when it comes to calculating heliacal rising and setting of planets,

they get the data from PAC, Kolkatta!

Similarly, they cannot caluclate eclipses on their own. They get that

information also from PAC, who in turn get it from IMD, who in turn get it from

NASA/JPL!

Now you say that Makaranada is the oldest work, even if it is based on the Surya

Sidhanta! You must know that even Grahalaghava by Ganesha Daivajnya also is

based on the Surya Sidhanta!

In any case, it means that planetary longitudes as per Makranada and Grahalghava

and the Surya Sidhanta are correct only for making correct pedictions from birth

charts and not for any astronomical purpose like ecliplses etc.

The second question is that if the Surya Sidhanta longitudes are correct for

astrological purposes, this forum i.e. Vedic-astrology () and other

jyotisha forums must immediately switch over to those panchangas instead of

Lahiri panchangas! But it appears you are an exception since you are the only

one who claims to make correct predictions from the Surya Sidhanta, whereas

other jyotishis left it several centuries back! As such, please reconcile your

position with other jyotishis first and then subject the topic of the accuracy

of surya sidhanta longitudes even for predictive astrology to the arbitration of

Mr. Kaul!

 

It is also news to me that Mr. Kaul boycotted you from Hndu calendar forum,

since I did not see any post from you there! Maybe you had joined that forum

only to donwload the programs for calculating tithi, nakshatra etc. and the

planetary position of the sun and moon from 10000 BC to 12030 AD, for free,

because there is no such programe available anywhere else in the world!

It could also have been that you joined that forum to download some program for

calculating the mean places of all the important stars from 10000 BCE to 12030

AD for free since that type of program also is not available anywhere else!

After having downloaded those programs, you just left that forum without any

discussoin on any point!

 

You say you have given references of Rashis in the Vedas already! Why don't you

give that information on this forum as well, since the name of this forum itself

is Vedic-astrology and it will augment its strength in arguing against the

" tirades " of Mr. Kaul, whom it has banned, instead of answering his questions!

Regarding the date of Vedanga Jyotisha, there is already a debate going on in

Abhinavagupta and other forums. It appears you just see only sone selected

mails from some forums!

Regarding the Surya Sidhanta being an indigenous work, it appears you have not

read it yourself actually! The Author of that work is Maya which is not an

Indian name! Maya was actually the father of Mandodari, the wife of Rakshasa

king Ravana! Maya was thus the father in law of Ravana and neither of them had

claimed to be of Indian origin! Maya has claimed that the planetary knowledge

was revealed to him at the fag end of the last Satya-yuga! That thus precludes

any possibility of it being the same Maya as has been referred to in the

Mahabharata, since as per the same Surya Sidhanta that you are talking about,

Treta-yuga lasted for hundreds of thousands of years!

 

It appears you do not know much about Phalita jyotisha either, since

Varahamoihria has called yavanas as mlechhas in his Brihat Samhita! And the

fact of the matter is that Maya was some Greek (Yavana!) jyotishi who took

recourse to lies and nothing but lies that the planetary knowledge was revealed

to him by Surya Bhagwan! He thus made a fool of the Hindus of India, thus

proving himself to be a stooge of the Greeks to mislead the Hindus by making

them astro-buffs!

 

You are also blissfully unaware, like all the other " Vedic astrologers " , that

all the shastras, including the Manusmriti and the MBh and Atri Samhita etc.

etc. are dead against nakshatra-soochis/nakshatra-jeevis! The famos Hindu

stalwart Vishnugupta Kautilya aka Chanakya also has advised that a king should

never run after nakshatras/nakshatra-soochis since that way he will lose his own

'lakshya'

The tragic fact is that jyotishis like you do not read dharmashastras, leave

alone the Vedas, but only books on phalita jyotisha, and all the jyotishis these

days vie with one another to prove such non-sense as based on the Vedas, when

actually " Vedic astrology " is really the greatest fraud on the Vedas!

Do you know that asstronomically zodiac is an aimaginary belt? That means that

the Rashichakras galore on which jyotishis are basing their predictions is

nothing but a fantassy of jyotishis! Being imaginary, any jyotishi can divide

it into any number of equal divisions, whether twenty-seven or twelve or even

360! And all those divisions are thus imaginary! And the lordships of thos

imaginary divisions ascribed to Mars, Shani etc. also is as nothing but height

of imagination!

 

IF YOU HAVE ANY DOUBT ABOUT THE REAL DEFINITIOPN OF ZODIAC, DO CONSULT ANY

DICTIONARY!

But then, we must not forget that jyotishis make correct predictions only from

incorrect data, especially if that data is imaginary, the predictioins will

naturally be " most accurate " .

With regards,

jyotishi2001

PS

What is also surprising is that on the one hand you say that you have been

banned from Hinducalendar forum but now you say that you have no time to join

that forum! What is the fact actually, Mr. Vinay Jha?

jyotishi2001

vedic astrology , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> <<< " I have yet to see anyone, including you, with such a command over the

> Vedas, Puranas, Sidhantas etc. etc. and even phalita-jyotisha shastras,

> as Mr. Kaul! " >>>

>

>

> I have already given references to Raashi in Vedas, yet Mr AKK & c

> neglect my messages and keep on harping that Raashi was unknown in

> Vedic period. I countered his wrong computations of ayanamsha, and instead

> of answering me he left the debate and is boycotting me since then, and

therafter Mr Prashant Pandey

> descended from somewhere to abuse me.

>

> Hindu Calendar does not need reforms from those who do not know how to compute

planetary positions. I do not need certificates from you.. I have first hand

experience of

> the " greatness " of Mr Kaul.

>

> Mr Kaul & c are abusing Siddhantic astronomy as " foreign " . It is sour grape

syndrome of ignorants. If the team of Mr Kaul gives an answer to a very simple

question from Siddhantic astronomy, which a 20-21 year year old student of

Jyotishaachaarya is expected to know, I vow I will become a slave of Mr Kaul in

all matters :

>

> Makaranda Tables are oldest tables (1478 AD) based on Suryasiddhanta, older

than the extant manuscripts of Ranganaatha and others. Please give give the

Suryasiddhantic equation of Makaranda Table of equation of centre (Manda Phala)

for any of the five planets from Mercury to Saturn. The first verse of Makaranda

Tablessays it is Suryasiddhantic.

>

> Or, give me the date of Vedaanga Jyotisha which Mr AKK claims to be of 1300

BCE. If Mr AKK proves his date right, even with a margin of eroor of many

centuries, I will become his disciple and slave.

>

> OK ???

>

> I cannot join all forums. There are only 24 hours in a day, and I have

> set foot outside my working place for two months due to overload of

> work.

>

> -VJ

> ======================== ================

>

>

> ________________________________

> jyotishi2001 <jyotishi2001

> vedic astrology

> Saturday, May 30, 2009 2:44:14 PM

> [vedic astrology] Re: [HinduCalendar] Fwd: Mesopotamian influence :

Disowning One's Heritage

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Vinayji,

> Why don't you join HinduCalendar forum and express your differences there

since, as far as I know, posts on that forum are not moderated and nobody has

been banned from that forum, unlike this Vedic-astrology forum, that has banned

Mr. Kaul.

> I know you will call me a stooge of Mr. Kaul, or even Kaul with a fake id, but

that does not matter, since I want you to find out for yourself certain facts

about the real Vedic culture, as I have yet to see anyone, including you, with

such a command over the Vedas, Puranas, Sidhantas etc. etc. and even

phalita-jyotisha shastras, as Mr. Kaul! After all, he was not awarded

NOSTRADAMUS AWARD for correct predictions for nothing!

> Best regards,

> Jyotishi2001

>

> vedic astrology, " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Mr Prashant Pandey has been entrusted by the team of Mr AK Kaul to abuse

> > ancient Siddhaantas as works of Rakshasas (demons) and includes me among

> > demons : " Those Devils(Terrorists, Aatankwadi log) are still around and

> > roaming around,, even on internet- forums now-a-days " .

> >

> > Jyotisha has three skandhas from ancient times : Siddhaanta, Horaa, and

> > Samhitaa, and the team of Mr AKK is hell bent on declaring entire

> > Jyotisha as foreign, basing their fallacious arguments not upon original

> > Indian works but upon biased opinions of Hindu-haters like Wiztel. Mr

> > AKK and Mr Prashant Pandey believe in one part of anti-India propaganda

> > by abusing Jyotisha, esp Siddhanta, while keeps quiet about about

> > another part of this anti-India propaganda which regards all Rishis to

> > be descendants of beef eaters from Eastern Europe (Aryan Invasion

> > Theory).

> >

> > Mr Prashant Pandey can only abuse me because he and his guru AKK are

> > deficient in arguments. AKK & c do not know any skandha of Jyotisha,

> > Siddhaanta, Horaa or Samhitaa, and therefore they must abuse the grapes

> > as sour.

> >

> > This is an astrological forum which Mr Prashant Pandey is misusing for

> > abusing Indian astrology. Calling me a demon will not give these fellows

> > knowleable about Siddhanta.. Please ask them to solve the problem of

> > Vedanga Jyotisha dating which they are now putting in the category of

> > works influenced by foreigners : show here how it can be put around 1300

> > or 1400 BCE as Mr AKK wrote. Borrowing Western garbage and abusing

> > Indian texts will not make them Hindus. Hence, please show here how

> > Vedanga Jyotisha can be put around 1300 or 1400 BCE as Mr AKK wrote .

> > Instead of abusing, use some brains (if you have any) to solve this

> > problem. Witzel puts Vedanga Jyotisha around 300 BCE, neglecting the

> > astronomical conditions described. Colebrooke & c put it around 1400 BCE,

> > which AKK accepts. But both are wrong. Vedanga Jyotisha is a much

> > earlier work, and any honest discussion will faksify the claim of those

> > who regard any Veda or Vedanga as foreign.

> >

> > -Vinay Jha

> > ============ ======== =====

> > vedic astrology, Astrolearner Brazil

> > <astrolearner_ brazil@> wrote:

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 28/5/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul jyotirved@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Avtar Krishen Kaul jyotirved@

> > > [HinduCalendar] Fwd: David Pingree's and Eric Forbes' papers

> > on Mesopotamian influence on Indian astronomy

> > > hinducalendar

> > > Thursday, 28 May, 2009, 7:45 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Abhinavagupta, " Sunthar Visuvalingam "

> > suntharv@ .> wrote:

> > >

> > > You can find the full text of David Pingree's paper " The Mesopotamian

> > Origin

> > > of Early Indian Mathematical Astronomy " at

> > >

> > > http://articles. adsabs.harvard. edu//full/ 1973JHA.. ...4....1P/

> > 0000001.000. htm

> > > l

> > > <http://articles. adsabs.harvard. edu/full/ 1973JHA.. ....4....1P/

> > 0000001.000. htm

> > > l>

> > >

> > > and also another relevant paper (in PDF) by Eric G. Forbes,

> > " Mesopotamian

> > > and Greek influences on Ancient Indian Astronomy and on the work of

> > > ÂryabhaTa at

> > >

> > > http://www.new. dli.ernet. in/rawdataupload /upload/insa/

> > INSA_1/20005af8_ 150.pd

> > > f

> > >

> > > Sunthar

> > >

> > > [Follow-up on my comment (below) on Francesco's post (26 May 2009) at

> > >

> > > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5047

> > >

> > > Rest of this thread at Koenraad's post (26 May 2009) at

> > >

> > > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5051]

> > >

> > >

†" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †"

> > >

> > > Francesco,

> > >

> > > I've temporarily changed the setting to allow members to upload files,

> > and

> > > will change it back to moderator only after you post the link to the

> > > uploaded file(s).

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > Sunthar

> > >

> > >

> > > Francesco Brighenti

> > > Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:07 AM

> > > Abhinavagupta

> > > [Abhinavagupta] Re: Secrets of the Earth

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > Indeed, on pp. 72-74 of his paper uploaded at

> > >

> > > http://www.ejvs. laurasianacademy .com/ejvs0703/ ejvs0703article. pdf

> > ,

> > >

> > > Witzel therein supplies a terse yet dense discussion of the wrong

> > (according

> > > to his views) dating of the VJ at 1400 BCE. To this effect, he also

> > cites a

> > > paper by the well-known world espert of jyotihshastra (Sanskrit astral

> > and

> > > mathematical literature), David Pingree, which I have loaded on my PC

> > (D.

> > > Pingree, " The Mesopotamian Origin of Early Indian Mathematical

> > Astronomy, "

> > > _Journal for the History of Astronomy_ 4 [1973], pp. 1-12). I'd like

> > to

> > > upload a copy of this paper on the Files section of the Abhinavagupta

> > List,

> > > but, due to some restriction set up by the Moderator, this is not

> > allowed to

> > > me (and I cannot even attach it to a message to the List because I

> > don't use

> > > an e-mail program, but write my messages directly on the Web instead).

> > If

> > > Sunthar wants, I can e-mail a copy of this paper directly to him as a

> > PDF

> > > attachment, and he can then add it to the List's Files section. In the

> > > meanwhile, you can read Witzel's faithful summary of Pingree's

> > arguments

> > > against the dating of the VJ at 1400 BCE on p. 73 of the paper whose

> > link I

> > > have provided above.

> > >

> > > I'd like to see your detailed counter-arguments against Pingree &

> > Witzel's

> > > conclusions, Koenraad. Same w.r.t. Avtar Krishen Kaul's post archived

> > at

> > >

> > > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5036 ,

> > >

> > > for, as far as I can see, his " super-high " chronology for the Vedas

> > and the

> > > Mahabharata almost entirely rests on the assumption that the VJ was

> > composed

> > > circa 1400 BCE.

> > >

> > > Kindest regards,

> > >

> > > Francesco

> > >

> > > [Response to Koenraad's post (26 May 2009) at

> > >

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Sunnydale in California from where all real and fake messages of Mr Prashant

Pandy are coming. He uses some IDs for abusing and some others for posing as an

expert, but actually knows nothing. Here are some of his new falsehoods.

 

<<< " BHU, the world famous university of Varanasi, is publishing a panchanga

based entirely on the Surya Sidhata " >>>

 

Vishva Panchanga is based on the faulty commentary of Christian priest E

Burgess. Its Tithi, Nakshatra, Yoga, etc in the upper table have a difference of

upto three hours from the Sun and Moon in lower table. If they cannot make a

correct panchanga, it is not my fault.

 

<<< " Now you say that Makaranada is the oldest work, even if it is based on the

Surya Sidhanta! You must know that even Grahalaghava by Ganesha Daivajnya also

is based on the Surya Sidhanta! " >>>

 

I do not say, the first verse of Makaranda Saarani says that it is based on

Suryasiddhanta. All other extant versions of Suryasiddhanta are later works.

Grahalaghava by Ganesha Daivajnya is NOT based on the Surya Sidhanta, only its

Sun and Moon were taken from Suryasiddhanta. Try to study something before

posting wrong statements on public fora.

 

<<< " planetary longitudes as per Makranada and Grahalghava and the Surya

Sidhanta are correct only for making correct pedictions from birth charts and

not for any astronomical purpose like ecliplses etc " >>>

 

Grahalghava is a " laaghava " work, which means a " shortcut " . It has no rationale,

no siddhanta. Surya Sidhanta and other texts based on it are correct only for

making correct pedictions from birth charts but not for physical astronomy. For

physical astronomy, there was a Drikpakshiya Surya Sidhanta whose terms are

mentioned in many ancient texts such as Siddhanta Shiromani, but the text became

extinct in ancient period, because it was not preserved due to its

inapplicability in astrology.

 

<<< " But it appears you are an exception since you are the only one who claims

to make correct predictions from the Surya Sidhanta, whereas other jyotishis

left it several centuries back! As such, please reconcile your position with

other jyotishis first " >>>

 

Your world is limited. Surya Sidhanta is still the direct or indirect basis of a

vast majority of traditional panchangas all over India and in spite of computer

softwares most of Indian horoscopes are still being made from Surya Sidhanta.

For instance, only Hrikesha Panchanga of Varanasi sell 700,000 copies, whose

Tithi, Yoga, Rasi, Karana, Nakshatra, Sun and Moon are Suryasidhantic

(Makaranda) but other planets are from Grahalaaghava. Before declaring me to be

an exception, read the fourth item in this webpage ; Also read this item ; and

this too .

 

<<< " Maybe you had joined that forum only to donwload the programs for

calculating tithi, nakshatra etc. and the planetary position of the sun and moon

from 10000 BC to 12030 AD, for free, because there is no such programe available

anywhere else in the world! After having downloaded those programs, you just

left that forum without any discussoin on any point! " >>>

 

I do not know whether Hindu Calendar has any programs, and I have no interest in

getting any program from spurious sources. Onlu fools can make such programs,

because even NASA scientists cannot make such claims ! Yoy are free to make such

insulting and baseless remarks about me, because I am unable to abuse you due to

my principles.

 

<<< " Maya was actually the father of Mandodari, the wife of Rakshasa king

Ravana! Maya was thus the father in law of Ravana and neither of them had

claimed to be of Indian origin! Maya has claimed that the planetary knowledge

was revealed to him at the fag end of the last Satya-yuga! That thus precludes

any possibility of it being the same Maya as has been referred to in the

Mahabharata, since as per the same Surya Sidhanta that you are talking about,

Treta-yuga lasted for hundreds of thousands of years! " >>>

 

Your arguments are childish and self defeating. According to you, Maya of

Mahabharata was different from Maya of Suryasiddhanta, then how Maya of Ramayana

could be the Maya of Suryasiddhanta ? The father of Mandodari belonged to end of

Treta Yuga, while the Maya of Suryasiddhanta belonged to end of Satyuga : the

difference is of 1296000 years ! Your mathematics and logic is pitiable.

 

<<< " Maya was some Greek (Yavana!) " >>>

 

It is an invention by Mr AKK & c, there is no ancient reference to it. Maya was

an Asura. So was Kamsa, the maternal uncle of Lord Krishna. But Lord Krishna or

his mother Devaki were not Asuras. Hence, a single family had one person Asura

and the other Aryan. Do not impose your racist ideas on Indian history : Asuras

did not form a distinct race.

 

<<< " Varahamihria has called yavanas as mlechhas ....... (Maya) made a fool of

the Hindus " >>>

 

You have not read Varahamihria ; he ascribed Suryasiddhanta directly to Lord

Surya. If Varahamihria was also a fool, like all Indian scholars whi were

" befooled " by Maya, why are you quoting " fools " like Varahamihria ?

 

<<< " You are also blissfully unaware, like all the other " Vedic astrologers " ,

that all the shastras, including the Manusmriti and the MBh and Atri Samhita

etc. etc. are dead against nakshatra-soochis/ nakshatra- jeevis! " >>>

 

I have already answered this point in detail : Manusmriti eulogises Jyotisha but

prohibits Nakshatrasoochakas. Nakshatrasoochakas were those persons, like you,

who " observed " the celestial bodies (physical planets) instead of relying upon

the Jyotisha-shaastra whose fundamental text is Suryasiddhanta.

 

<<< " Mr. Kaul boycotted you from Hndu calendar forum......you have been banned

from Hinducalendar forum " >>>

 

You read more than I write. The discussion took place in AIA, which he left

instead of answering. In Hindu Calendar, I posted to him privately, but got no

response. I never joined or will join Hindu Calendar. I am not interested in it.

Let them do what they like. But when anti-astrological falsities appear in

astrological forums, I have to reply.

 

<<< " Surya Sidhanta being an indigenous work, it appears you have not read it

yourself actually! ........ you do not know much about Phalita jyotisha

either............jyotishis like you do not read dharmashastras, leave alone the

Vedas " >>>

 

Thanks for your abusive remarks. You earlier said " I have yet to see anyone,

including you, with such a command over the Vedas, merely in reply to your

childish points, actually I have much nobler tasks than to waste my time on such

discussions.) I am the trustee and secretary of many Sanskrit colleges and

schools. Many govt and non-govt institutions and universities accept me as an

expert, I do not which institute values Mt AK Kaul, excepting a forum

opened by himself.

 

Please do not waste my time with your " scholarship " in abuses and false

citations.

 

-VJ

============================ ====

 

 

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jyotishi2001 <jyotishi2001

vedic astrology

Sunday, May 31, 2009 2:36:58 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: [HinduCalendar] Fwd: Mesopotamian influence :

Disowning One's Heritage

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Vinayji,

BHU, the world famous university of Varanasi, is publishing a panchanga based

entirely on the Surya Sidhata, since it is a divine work according to them.

However, when it comes to calculating heliacal rising and setting of planets,

they get the data from PAC, Kolkatta!

Similarly, they cannot caluclate eclipses on their own. They get that

information also from PAC, who in turn get it from IMD, who in turn get it from

NASA/JPL!

Now you say that Makaranada is the oldest work, even if it is based on the Surya

Sidhanta! You must know that even Grahalaghava by Ganesha Daivajnya also is

based on the Surya Sidhanta!

In any case, it means that planetary longitudes as per Makranada and Grahalghava

and the Surya Sidhanta are correct only for making correct pedictions from birth

charts and not for any astronomical purpose like ecliplses etc.

The second question is that if the Surya Sidhanta longitudes are correct for

astrological purposes, this forum i.e. Vedic-astrology () and other

jyotisha forums must immediately switch over to those panchangas instead of

Lahiri panchangas! But it appears you are an exception since you are the only

one who claims to make correct predictions from the Surya Sidhanta, whereas

other jyotishis left it several centuries back! As such, please reconcile your

position with other jyotishis first and then subject the topic of the accuracy

of surya sidhanta longitudes even for predictive astrology to the arbitration of

Mr. Kaul!

 

It is also news to me that Mr. Kaul boycotted you from Hndu calendar forum,

since I did not see any post from you there! Maybe you had joined that forum

only to donwload the programs for calculating tithi, nakshatra etc. and the

planetary position of the sun and moon from 10000 BC to 12030 AD, for free,

because there is no such programe available anywhere else in the world!

It could also have been that you joined that forum to download some program for

calculating the mean places of all the important stars from 10000 BCE to 12030

AD for free since that type of program also is not available anywhere else!

After having downloaded those programs, you just left that forum without any

discussoin on any point!

 

You say you have given references of Rashis in the Vedas already! Why don't you

give that information on this forum as well, since the name of this forum itself

is Vedic-astrology and it will augment its strength in arguing against the

" tirades " of Mr. Kaul, whom it has banned, instead of answering his questions!

Regarding the date of Vedanga Jyotisha, there is already a debate going on in

Abhinavagupta and other forums. It appears you just see only sone selected

mails from some forums!

Regarding the Surya Sidhanta being an indigenous work, it appears you have not

read it yourself actually! The Author of that work is Maya which is not an

Indian name! Maya was actually the father of Mandodari, the wife of Rakshasa

king Ravana! Maya was thus the father in law of Ravana and neither of them had

claimed to be of Indian origin! Maya has claimed that the planetary knowledge

was revealed to him at the fag end of the last Satya-yuga! That thus precludes

any possibility of it being the same Maya as has been referred to in the

Mahabharata, since as per the same Surya Sidhanta that you are talking about,

Treta-yuga lasted for hundreds of thousands of years!

 

It appears you do not know much about Phalita jyotisha either, since

Varahamoihria has called yavanas as mlechhas in his Brihat Samhita! And the

fact of the matter is that Maya was some Greek (Yavana!) jyotishi who took

recourse to lies and nothing but lies that the planetary knowledge was revealed

to him by Surya Bhagwan! He thus made a fool of the Hindus of India, thus

proving himself to be a stooge of the Greeks to mislead the Hindus by making

them astro-buffs!

 

You are also blissfully unaware, like all the other " Vedic astrologers " , that

all the shastras, including the Manusmriti and the MBh and Atri Samhita etc.

etc. are dead against nakshatra-soochis/ nakshatra- jeevis! The famos Hindu

stalwart Vishnugupta Kautilya aka Chanakya also has advised that a king should

never run after nakshatras/nakshatr a-soochis since that way he will lose his

own 'lakshya'

The tragic fact is that jyotishis like you do not read dharmashastras, leave

alone the Vedas, but only books on phalita jyotisha, and all the jyotishis these

days vie with one another to prove such non-sense as based on the Vedas, when

actually " Vedic astrology " is really the greatest fraud on the Vedas!

Do you know that asstronomically zodiac is an aimaginary belt? That means that

the Rashichakras galore on which jyotishis are basing their predictions is

nothing but a fantassy of jyotishis! Being imaginary, any jyotishi can divide

it into any number of equal divisions, whether twenty-seven or twelve or even

360! And all those divisions are thus imaginary! And the lordships of thos

imaginary divisions ascribed to Mars, Shani etc. also is as nothing but height

of imagination!

 

IF YOU HAVE ANY DOUBT ABOUT THE REAL DEFINITIOPN OF ZODIAC, DO CONSULT ANY

DICTIONARY!

But then, we must not forget that jyotishis make correct predictions only from

incorrect data, especially if that data is imaginary, the predictioins will

naturally be " most accurate " .

With regards,

jyotishi2001

PS

What is also surprising is that on the one hand you say that you have been

banned from Hinducalendar forum but now you say that you have no time to join

that forum! What is the fact actually, Mr.. Vinay Jha?

jyotishi2001

vedic astrology, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

>

> <<< " I have yet to see anyone, including you, with such a command over the

> Vedas, Puranas, Sidhantas etc. etc. and even phalita-jyotisha shastras,

> as Mr. Kaul! " >>>

>

>

> I have already given references to Raashi in Vedas, yet Mr AKK & c

> neglect my messages and keep on harping that Raashi was unknown in

> Vedic period. I countered his wrong computations of ayanamsha, and instead

> of answering me he left the debate and is boycotting me since then, and

therafter Mr Prashant Pandey

> descended from somewhere to abuse me.

>

> Hindu Calendar does not need reforms from those who do not know how to compute

planetary positions. I do not need certificates from you.. I have first hand

experience of

> the " greatness " of Mr Kaul.

>

> Mr Kaul & c are abusing Siddhantic astronomy as " foreign " . It is sour grape

syndrome of ignorants. If the team of Mr Kaul gives an answer to a very simple

question from Siddhantic astronomy, which a 20-21 year year old student of

Jyotishaachaarya is expected to know, I vow I will become a slave of Mr Kaul in

all matters :

>

> Makaranda Tables are oldest tables (1478 AD) based on Suryasiddhanta, older

than the extant manuscripts of Ranganaatha and others. Please give give the

Suryasiddhantic equation of Makaranda Table of equation of centre (Manda Phala)

for any of the five planets from Mercury to Saturn. The first verse of Makaranda

Tablessays it is Suryasiddhantic.

>

> Or, give me the date of Vedaanga Jyotisha which Mr AKK claims to be of 1300

BCE. If Mr AKK proves his date right, even with a margin of eroor of many

centuries, I will become his disciple and slave.

>

> OK ???

>

> I cannot join all forums. There are only 24 hours in a day, and I have

> set foot outside my working place for two months due to overload of

> work.

>

> -VJ

> ============ ========= === ============ ====

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> jyotishi2001 <jyotishi2001@ ...>

> vedic astrology

> Saturday, May 30, 2009 2:44:14 PM

> [vedic astrology] Re: [HinduCalendar] Fwd: Mesopotamian influence :

Disowning One's Heritage

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Vinayji,

> Why don't you join HinduCalendar forum and express your differences there

since, as far as I know, posts on that forum are not moderated and nobody has

been banned from that forum, unlike this Vedic-astrology forum, that has banned

Mr. Kaul.

> I know you will call me a stooge of Mr. Kaul, or even Kaul with a fake id, but

that does not matter, since I want you to find out for yourself certain facts

about the real Vedic culture, as I have yet to see anyone, including you, with

such a command over the Vedas, Puranas, Sidhantas etc. etc. and even

phalita-jyotisha shastras, as Mr. Kaul! After all, he was not awarded

NOSTRADAMUS AWARD for correct predictions for nothing!

> Best regards,

> Jyotishi2001

>

> vedic astrology, " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ....>

wrote:

> >

> > Mr Prashant Pandey has been entrusted by the team of Mr AK Kaul to abuse

> > ancient Siddhaantas as works of Rakshasas (demons) and includes me among

> > demons : " Those Devils(Terrorists, Aatankwadi log) are still around and

> > roaming around,, even on internet- forums now-a-days " .

> >

> > Jyotisha has three skandhas from ancient times : Siddhaanta, Horaa, and

> > Samhitaa, and the team of Mr AKK is hell bent on declaring entire

> > Jyotisha as foreign, basing their fallacious arguments not upon original

> > Indian works but upon biased opinions of Hindu-haters like Wiztel. Mr

> > AKK and Mr Prashant Pandey believe in one part of anti-India propaganda

> > by abusing Jyotisha, esp Siddhanta, while keeps quiet about about

> > another part of this anti-India propaganda which regards all Rishis to

> > be descendants of beef eaters from Eastern Europe (Aryan Invasion

> > Theory).

> >

> > Mr Prashant Pandey can only abuse me because he and his guru AKK are

> > deficient in arguments. AKK & c do not know any skandha of Jyotisha,

> > Siddhaanta, Horaa or Samhitaa, and therefore they must abuse the grapes

> > as sour.

> >

> > This is an astrological forum which Mr Prashant Pandey is misusing for

> > abusing Indian astrology. Calling me a demon will not give these fellows

> > knowleable about Siddhanta.. Please ask them to solve the problem of

> > Vedanga Jyotisha dating which they are now putting in the category of

> > works influenced by foreigners : show here how it can be put around 1300

> > or 1400 BCE as Mr AKK wrote. Borrowing Western garbage and abusing

> > Indian texts will not make them Hindus. Hence, please show here how

> > Vedanga Jyotisha can be put around 1300 or 1400 BCE as Mr AKK wrote .

> > Instead of abusing, use some brains (if you have any) to solve this

> > problem. Witzel puts Vedanga Jyotisha around 300 BCE, neglecting the

> > astronomical conditions described. Colebrooke & c put it around 1400 BCE,

> > which AKK accepts. But both are wrong. Vedanga Jyotisha is a much

> > earlier work, and any honest discussion will faksify the claim of those

> > who regard any Veda or Vedanga as foreign.

> >

> > -Vinay Jha

> > ============ ======== =====

> > vedic astrology, Astrolearner Brazil

> > <astrolearner_ brazil@> wrote:

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 28/5/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul jyotirved@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Avtar Krishen Kaul jyotirved@

> > > [HinduCalendar] Fwd: David Pingree's and Eric Forbes' papers

> > on Mesopotamian influence on Indian astronomy

> > > hinducalendar

> > > Thursday, 28 May, 2009, 7:45 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Abhinavagupta, " Sunthar Visuvalingam "

> > suntharv@ .> wrote:

> > >

> > > You can find the full text of David Pingree's paper " The Mesopotamian

> > Origin

> > > of Early Indian Mathematical Astronomy " at

> > >

> > > http://articles. adsabs.harvard. edu//full/ 1973JHA.. ...4....1P/

> > 0000001.000. htm

> > > l

> > > <http://articles. adsabs.harvard. edu/full/ 1973JHA.. ....4....1P/

> > 0000001.000. htm

> > > l>

> > >

> > > and also another relevant paper (in PDF) by Eric G. Forbes,

> > " Mesopotamian

> > > and Greek influences on Ancient Indian Astronomy and on the work of

> > > ÂryabhaTa at

> > >

> > > http://www.new. dli.ernet. in/rawdataupload /upload/insa/

> > INSA_1/20005af8_ 150.pd

> > > f

> > >

> > > Sunthar

> > >

> > > [Follow-up on my comment (below) on Francesco's post (26 May 2009) at

> > >

> > > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5047

> > >

> > > Rest of this thread at Koenraad's post (26 May 2009) at

> > >

> > > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5051]

> > >

> > >

†" †" †" †" †" †" âââ€\

šÂ¬ " †" †" †" †" †" †"

> > >

> > > Francesco,

> > >

> > > I've temporarily changed the setting to allow members to upload files,

> > and

> > > will change it back to moderator only after you post the link to the

> > > uploaded file(s).

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > Sunthar

> > >

> > >

> > > Francesco Brighenti

> > > Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:07 AM

> > > Abhinavagupta

> > > [Abhinavagupta] Re: Secrets of the Earth

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > Indeed, on pp. 72-74 of his paper uploaded at

> > >

> > > http://www.ejvs. laurasianacademy .com/ejvs0703/ ejvs0703article. pdf

> > ,

> > >

> > > Witzel therein supplies a terse yet dense discussion of the wrong

> > (according

> > > to his views) dating of the VJ at 1400 BCE. To this effect, he also

> > cites a

> > > paper by the well-known world espert of jyotihshastra (Sanskrit astral

> > and

> > > mathematical literature), David Pingree, which I have loaded on my PC

> > (D.

> > > Pingree, " The Mesopotamian Origin of Early Indian Mathematical

> > Astronomy, "

> > > _Journal for the History of Astronomy_ 4 [1973], pp. 1-12). I'd like

> > to

> > > upload a copy of this paper on the Files section of the Abhinavagupta

> > List,

> > > but, due to some restriction set up by the Moderator, this is not

> > allowed to

> > > me (and I cannot even attach it to a message to the List because I

> > don't use

> > > an e-mail program, but write my messages directly on the Web instead).

> > If

> > > Sunthar wants, I can e-mail a copy of this paper directly to him as a

> > PDF

> > > attachment, and he can then add it to the List's Files section. In the

> > > meanwhile, you can read Witzel's faithful summary of Pingree's

> > arguments

> > > against the dating of the VJ at 1400 BCE on p. 73 of the paper whose

> > link I

> > > have provided above.

> > >

> > > I'd like to see your detailed counter-arguments against Pingree &

> > Witzel's

> > > conclusions, Koenraad. Same w.r.t. Avtar Krishen Kaul's post archived

> > at

> > >

> > > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5036 ,

> > >

> > > for, as far as I can see, his " super-high " chronology for the Vedas

> > and the

> > > Mahabharata almost entirely rests on the assumption that the VJ was

> > composed

> > > circa 1400 BCE.

> > >

> > > Kindest regards,

> > >

> > > Francesco

> > >

> > > [Response to Koenraad's post (26 May 2009) at

> > >

> > > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5044]

> > >

> > > ------------ --------

> > >

> > > --- End forwarded message ---

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > >

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Sunnydale in California from where all real and fake messages of Mr Prashant

Pandy are coming. He uses some IDs for abusing and some others for posing as an

expert, but actually knows nothing. Here are some of his new falsehoods.

>

 

Go and check all mails are comeing from same source as server of is

there.Why are you making fool of yourself.

 

< Vishva Panchanga is based on the faulty commentary of Christian priest E

Burgess. Its Tithi, Nakshatra, Yoga, etc in the upper table have a difference of

upto three hours from the Sun and Moon in lower table. If they cannot make a

correct panchanga, it is not my fault. >

 

When they are trying to correct itself with data from Kolkata observatory than

those are wrong.You himself claimed that in past Suryasidhanta was not able to

calculate the eclipse.That reply was to Sunil Bhattacharjya.Go and ask to him,

he will point that out.

 

< Grahalghava is a " laaghava " work, which means a " shortcut " . It has no

rationale, no siddhanta. Surya Sidhanta and other texts based on it are correct

only for making correct pedictions from birth charts but not for physical

astronomy. >

 

Ha Ha Ha Ha...good writting...it has already been exposed by all.

 

< Your world is limited. Surya Sidhanta is still the direct or indirect basis of

a vast majority of traditional panchangas all over India and in spite of

computer softwares most of Indian horoscopes are still being made from Surya

Sidhanta.  >

 

Who told you this i think your limited world told you it.Everybody is now making

horoscope by software but your claim is awesome.

 

< I do not know whether Hindu Calendar has any programs, and I have no interest

in getting any program from spurious sources. >

 

Yes that is why you dowload software from all around and weeps all around from

all to download it.

 

< Onlu fools can make such programs, >

 

Everybody is aware of this on all groups

 

< because even NASA scientists cannot make such claims ! >

Oh interesting !Than why are you running all just by showing NASA's mail to

everybody that you have got certificate from there.

 

< Yoy are free to make such insulting and baseless remarks about me, because I

am unable to abuse you due to my principles. >

but just above this line you have written this " Onlu fools can make such

programs, "

so i should say you are an big idiot on this earth so it is also not abuse.Ha Ha

Ha Ha

 

< Your arguments are childish and self defeating. According to you, Maya of

Mahabharata was different from Maya of Suryasiddhanta, then how Maya of Ramayana

could be the Maya of Suryasiddhanta ? The father of Mandodari belonged to end of

Treta Yuga, while the Maya of Suryasiddhanta belonged to end of Satyuga : the

difference is of 1296000 years ! Your mathematics and logic is pitiable. >

 

When you have no answers of anything than those automatically becomes self

defeating.See difference in years, you have written that figure in years is

1296000 yeras. Now tell me some paragraphs back you have written this " Surya

Sidhanta whose terms are mentioned in many ancient texts such as Siddhanta

Shiromani, but the text became extinct in ancient period, " but surya sidhat is

preserned with you even it could have been older that 1296000 years.Are you

serious ?? or making fool of your self.

 

< It is an invention by Mr AKK & c, there is no ancient reference to it. Maya was

an Asura. So was Kamsa, the maternal uncle of Lord Krishna. But Lord Krishna or

his mother Devaki were not Asuras. Hence, a single family had one person Asura

and the other Aryan. Do not impose your racist ideas on Indian history : Asuras

did not form a distinct race. >

 

When you have not read anything except Suryasidhanta than all things will look

like invetion. Ha Ha Ha Ha...

 

< You have not read Varahamihria ; he ascribed Suryasiddhanta directly to Lord

Surya. If Varahamihria was also a fool, like all Indian scholars whi were

" befooled " by Maya, why are you quoting " fools " like Varahamihria ? >

 

Your angerness is self defeating as it is being shown by your those lines.

 

< You read more than I write. The discussion took place in AIA, which he left

instead of answering. In Hindu Calendar, I posted to him privately, but got no

response. I never joined or will join Hindu Calendar. I am not interested in it.

Let them do what they like. But when anti-astrological falsities appear in

astrological forums, I have to reply >

 

Than why you dont join his forum why are you scared.If you are so confident than

join his forum.

 

< Thanks for your abusive remarks. You earlier said " I have yet to see anyone,

including you, with such a command over the Vedas, merely in reply to your

childish points, actually I have much nobler tasks than to waste my time on such

discussions. ) >

 

You even doesnt not know name of Vedic Months, later you stolen from his mail

and now put in your mail itself and which backfired.

 

< I am the trustee and secretary of many Sanskrit colleges and schools. Many

govt and non-govt institutions and universities accept me as an expert, >

 

That is why ppl, there is problem.You have not read many things and you are

expert??

 

< I do not which institute values Mt AK Kaul, excepting a forum opened by

himself. >

 

You already have said that you are expert but you himself have not proved value

in front of him than imagine about his values.

 

By the way why you think that you are so great, have never come out from Patna

 

< Please do not waste my time with your " scholarship " in abuses and false

citations. >

Please waste some time as all are reading your mails and want to check your

mettle which you want to prove.So Join Hidu Calendar Forum.

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Sun, 31/5/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

 

 

Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: [HinduCalendar] Fwd: Mesopotamian influence :

Disowning One's Heritage

vedic astrology

Sunday, 31 May, 2009, 1:15 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This message from the fake ID " jyotishi2001 " was traced to the same source

Sunnydale in California from where all real and fake messages of Mr Prashant

Pandy are coming. He uses some IDs for abusing and some others for posing as an

expert, but actually knows nothing. Here are some of his new falsehoods.

 

<<< " BHU, the world famous university of Varanasi, is publishing a panchanga

based entirely on the Surya Sidhata " >>>

 

Vishva Panchanga is based on the faulty commentary of Christian priest E

Burgess. Its Tithi, Nakshatra, Yoga, etc in the upper table have a difference of

upto three hours from the Sun and Moon in lower table. If they cannot make a

correct panchanga, it is not my fault.

 

<<< " Now you say that Makaranada is the oldest work, even if it is based on the

Surya Sidhanta! You must know that even Grahalaghava by Ganesha Daivajnya also

is based on the Surya Sidhanta! " >>>

 

I do not say, the first verse of Makaranda Saarani says that it is based on

Suryasiddhanta. All other extant versions of Suryasiddhanta are later works.

Grahalaghava by Ganesha Daivajnya is NOT based on the Surya Sidhanta, only its

Sun and Moon were taken from Suryasiddhanta. Try to study something before

posting wrong statements on public fora.

 

<<< " planetary longitudes as per Makranada and Grahalghava and the Surya

Sidhanta are correct only for making correct pedictions from birth charts and

not for any astronomical purpose like ecliplses etc " >>>

 

Grahalghava is a " laaghava " work, which means a " shortcut " . It has no rationale,

no siddhanta. Surya Sidhanta and other texts based on it are correct only for

making correct pedictions from birth charts but not for physical astronomy. For

physical astronomy, there was a Drikpakshiya Surya Sidhanta whose terms are

mentioned in many ancient texts such as Siddhanta Shiromani, but the text became

extinct in ancient period, because it was not preserved due to its

inapplicability in astrology.

 

<<< " But it appears you are an exception since you are the only one who claims

to make correct predictions from the Surya Sidhanta, whereas other jyotishis

left it several centuries back! As such, please reconcile your position with

other jyotishis first " >>>

 

Your world is limited. Surya Sidhanta is still the direct or indirect basis of a

vast majority of traditional panchangas all over India and in spite of computer

softwares most of Indian horoscopes are still being made from Surya Sidhanta.

For instance, only Hrikesha Panchanga of Varanasi sell 700,000 copies, whose

Tithi, Yoga, Rasi, Karana, Nakshatra, Sun and Moon are Suryasidhantic

(Makaranda) but other planets are from Grahalaaghava. Before declaring me to be

an exception, read the fourth item in this webpage ; Also read this item ; and

this too .

 

<<< " Maybe you had joined that forum only to donwload the programs for

calculating tithi, nakshatra etc. and the planetary position of the sun and moon

from 10000 BC to 12030 AD, for free, because there is no such programe available

anywhere else in the world! After having downloaded those programs, you just

left that forum without any discussoin on any point! " >>>

 

I do not know whether Hindu Calendar has any programs, and I have no interest in

getting any program from spurious sources. Onlu fools can make such programs,

because even NASA scientists cannot make such claims ! Yoy are free to make such

insulting and baseless remarks about me, because I am unable to abuse you due to

my principles.

 

<<< " Maya was actually the father of Mandodari, the wife of Rakshasa king

Ravana! Maya was thus the father in law of Ravana and neither of them had

claimed to be of Indian origin! Maya has claimed that the planetary knowledge

was revealed to him at the fag end of the last Satya-yuga! That thus precludes

any possibility of it being the same Maya as has been referred to in the

Mahabharata, since as per the same Surya Sidhanta that you are talking about,

Treta-yuga lasted for hundreds of thousands of years! " >>>

 

Your arguments are childish and self defeating. According to you, Maya of

Mahabharata was different from Maya of Suryasiddhanta, then how Maya of Ramayana

could be the Maya of Suryasiddhanta ? The father of Mandodari belonged to end of

Treta Yuga, while the Maya of Suryasiddhanta belonged to end of Satyuga : the

difference is of 1296000 years ! Your mathematics and logic is pitiable.

 

<<< " Maya was some Greek (Yavana!) " >>>

 

It is an invention by Mr AKK & c, there is no ancient reference to it. Maya was

an Asura. So was Kamsa, the maternal uncle of Lord Krishna. But Lord Krishna or

his mother Devaki were not Asuras. Hence, a single family had one person Asura

and the other Aryan. Do not impose your racist ideas on Indian history : Asuras

did not form a distinct race.

 

<<< " Varahamihria has called yavanas as mlechhas ....... (Maya) made a fool of

the Hindus " >>>

 

You have not read Varahamihria ; he ascribed Suryasiddhanta directly to Lord

Surya. If Varahamihria was also a fool, like all Indian scholars whi were

" befooled " by Maya, why are you quoting " fools " like Varahamihria ?

 

<<< " You are also blissfully unaware, like all the other " Vedic astrologers " ,

that all the shastras, including the Manusmriti and the MBh and Atri Samhita

etc. etc. are dead against nakshatra-soochis/ nakshatra- jeevis! " >>>

 

I have already answered this point in detail : Manusmriti eulogises Jyotisha but

prohibits Nakshatrasoochakas. Nakshatrasoochakas were those persons, like you,

who " observed " the celestial bodies (physical planets) instead of relying upon

the Jyotisha-shaastra whose fundamental text is Suryasiddhanta.

 

<<< " Mr. Kaul boycotted you from Hndu calendar forum......you have been banned

from Hinducalendar forum " >>>

 

You read more than I write. The discussion took place in AIA, which he left

instead of answering. In Hindu Calendar, I posted to him privately, but got no

response. I never joined or will join Hindu Calendar. I am not interested in it.

Let them do what they like. But when anti-astrological falsities appear in

astrological forums, I have to reply.

 

<<< " Surya Sidhanta being an indigenous work, it appears you have not read it

yourself actually! ........ you do not know much about Phalita jyotisha

either...... ......jyotishis like you do not read dharmashastras, leave alone

the Vedas " >>>

 

Thanks for your abusive remarks. You earlier said " I have yet to see anyone,

including you, with such a command over the Vedas, merely in reply to your

childish points, actually I have much nobler tasks than to waste my time on such

discussions. ) I am the trustee and secretary of many Sanskrit colleges and

schools. Many govt and non-govt institutions and universities accept me as an

expert, I do not which institute values Mt AK Kaul, excepting a forum

opened by himself.

 

Please do not waste my time with your " scholarship " in abuses and false

citations.

 

-VJ

============ ========= ======= ====

 

____________ _________ _________ __

jyotishi2001 <jyotishi2001@ >

vedic astrology

Sunday, May 31, 2009 2:36:58 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: [HinduCalendar] Fwd: Mesopotamian influence :

Disowning One's Heritage

 

Dear Vinayji,

BHU, the world famous university of Varanasi, is publishing a panchanga based

entirely on the Surya Sidhata, since it is a divine work according to them.

However, when it comes to calculating heliacal rising and setting of planets,

they get the data from PAC, Kolkatta!

Similarly, they cannot caluclate eclipses on their own. They get that

information also from PAC, who in turn get it from IMD, who in turn get it from

NASA/JPL!

Now you say that Makaranada is the oldest work, even if it is based on the Surya

Sidhanta! You must know that even Grahalaghava by Ganesha Daivajnya also is

based on the Surya Sidhanta!

In any case, it means that planetary longitudes as per Makranada and Grahalghava

and the Surya Sidhanta are correct only for making correct pedictions from birth

charts and not for any astronomical purpose like ecliplses etc.

The second question is that if the Surya Sidhanta longitudes are correct for

astrological purposes, this forum i.e. Vedic-astrology () and other

jyotisha forums must immediately switch over to those panchangas instead of

Lahiri panchangas! But it appears you are an exception since you are the only

one who claims to make correct predictions from the Surya Sidhanta, whereas

other jyotishis left it several centuries back! As such, please reconcile your

position with other jyotishis first and then subject the topic of the accuracy

of surya sidhanta longitudes even for predictive astrology to the arbitration of

Mr. Kaul!

 

It is also news to me that Mr. Kaul boycotted you from Hndu calendar forum,

since I did not see any post from you there! Maybe you had joined that forum

only to donwload the programs for calculating tithi, nakshatra etc. and the

planetary position of the sun and moon from 10000 BC to 12030 AD, for free,

because there is no such programe available anywhere else in the world!

It could also have been that you joined that forum to download some program for

calculating the mean places of all the important stars from 10000 BCE to 12030

AD for free since that type of program also is not available anywhere else!

After having downloaded those programs, you just left that forum without any

discussoin on any point!

 

You say you have given references of Rashis in the Vedas already! Why don't you

give that information on this forum as well, since the name of this forum itself

is Vedic-astrology and it will augment its strength in arguing against the

" tirades " of Mr. Kaul, whom it has banned, instead of answering his questions!

Regarding the date of Vedanga Jyotisha, there is already a debate going on in

Abhinavagupta and other forums. It appears you just see only sone selected mails

from some forums!

Regarding the Surya Sidhanta being an indigenous work, it appears you have not

read it yourself actually! The Author of that work is Maya which is not an

Indian name! Maya was actually the father of Mandodari, the wife of Rakshasa

king Ravana! Maya was thus the father in law of Ravana and neither of them had

claimed to be of Indian origin! Maya has claimed that the planetary knowledge

was revealed to him at the fag end of the last Satya-yuga! That thus precludes

any possibility of it being the same Maya as has been referred to in the

Mahabharata, since as per the same Surya Sidhanta that you are talking about,

Treta-yuga lasted for hundreds of thousands of years!

 

It appears you do not know much about Phalita jyotisha either, since

Varahamoihria has called yavanas as mlechhas in his Brihat Samhita! And the fact

of the matter is that Maya was some Greek (Yavana!) jyotishi who took recourse

to lies and nothing but lies that the planetary knowledge was revealed to him by

Surya Bhagwan! He thus made a fool of the Hindus of India, thus proving himself

to be a stooge of the Greeks to mislead the Hindus by making them astro-buffs!

 

You are also blissfully unaware, like all the other " Vedic astrologers " , that

all the shastras, including the Manusmriti and the MBh and Atri Samhita etc.

etc. are dead against nakshatra-soochis/ nakshatra- jeevis! The famos Hindu

stalwart Vishnugupta Kautilya aka Chanakya also has advised that a king should

never run after nakshatras/nakshatr a-soochis since that way he will lose his

own 'lakshya'

The tragic fact is that jyotishis like you do not read dharmashastras, leave

alone the Vedas, but only books on phalita jyotisha, and all the jyotishis these

days vie with one another to prove such non-sense as based on the Vedas, when

actually " Vedic astrology " is really the greatest fraud on the Vedas!

Do you know that asstronomically zodiac is an aimaginary belt? That means that

the Rashichakras galore on which jyotishis are basing their predictions is

nothing but a fantassy of jyotishis! Being imaginary, any jyotishi can divide it

into any number of equal divisions, whether twenty-seven or twelve or even 360!

And all those divisions are thus imaginary! And the lordships of thos imaginary

divisions ascribed to Mars, Shani etc. also is as nothing but height of

imagination!

 

IF YOU HAVE ANY DOUBT ABOUT THE REAL DEFINITIOPN OF ZODIAC, DO CONSULT ANY

DICTIONARY!

But then, we must not forget that jyotishis make correct predictions only from

incorrect data, especially if that data is imaginary, the predictioins will

naturally be " most accurate " .

With regards,

jyotishi2001

PS

What is also surprising is that on the one hand you say that you have been

banned from Hinducalendar forum but now you say that you have no time to join

that forum! What is the fact actually, Mr.. Vinay Jha?

jyotishi2001

vedic astrology, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ....> wrote:

>

> <<< " I have yet to see anyone, including you, with such a command over the

> Vedas, Puranas, Sidhantas etc. etc. and even phalita-jyotisha shastras,

> as Mr. Kaul! " >>>

>

>

> I have already given references to Raashi in Vedas, yet Mr AKK & c

> neglect my messages and keep on harping that Raashi was unknown in

> Vedic period. I countered his wrong computations of ayanamsha, and instead

> of answering me he left the debate and is boycotting me since then, and

therafter Mr Prashant Pandey

> descended from somewhere to abuse me.

>

> Hindu Calendar does not need reforms from those who do not know how to compute

planetary positions. I do not need certificates from you.. I have first hand

experience of

> the " greatness " of Mr Kaul.

>

> Mr Kaul & c are abusing Siddhantic astronomy as " foreign " . It is sour grape

syndrome of ignorants. If the team of Mr Kaul gives an answer to a very simple

question from Siddhantic astronomy, which a 20-21 year year old student of

Jyotishaachaarya is expected to know, I vow I will become a slave of Mr Kaul in

all matters :

>

> Makaranda Tables are oldest tables (1478 AD) based on Suryasiddhanta, older

than the extant manuscripts of Ranganaatha and others. Please give give the

Suryasiddhantic equation of Makaranda Table of equation of centre (Manda Phala)

for any of the five planets from Mercury to Saturn. The first verse of Makaranda

Tablessays it is Suryasiddhantic.

>

> Or, give me the date of Vedaanga Jyotisha which Mr AKK claims to be of 1300

BCE. If Mr AKK proves his date right, even with a margin of eroor of many

centuries, I will become his disciple and slave.

>

> OK ???

>

> I cannot join all forums. There are only 24 hours in a day, and I have

> set foot outside my working place for two months due to overload of

> work.

>

> -VJ

> ============ ========= === ============ ====

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> jyotishi2001 <jyotishi2001@ ...>

> vedic astrology

> Saturday, May 30, 2009 2:44:14 PM

> [vedic astrology] Re: [HinduCalendar] Fwd: Mesopotamian influence :

Disowning One's Heritage

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Vinayji,

> Why don't you join HinduCalendar forum and express your differences there

since, as far as I know, posts on that forum are not moderated and nobody has

been banned from that forum, unlike this Vedic-astrology forum, that has banned

Mr. Kaul.

> I know you will call me a stooge of Mr. Kaul, or even Kaul with a fake id, but

that does not matter, since I want you to find out for yourself certain facts

about the real Vedic culture, as I have yet to see anyone, including you, with

such a command over the Vedas, Puranas, Sidhantas etc. etc. and even

phalita-jyotisha shastras, as Mr. Kaul! After all, he was not awarded

NOSTRADAMUS AWARD for correct predictions for nothing!

> Best regards,

> Jyotishi2001

>

> vedic astrology, " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ .....>

wrote:

> >

> > Mr Prashant Pandey has been entrusted by the team of Mr AK Kaul to abuse

> > ancient Siddhaantas as works of Rakshasas (demons) and includes me among

> > demons : " Those Devils(Terrorists, Aatankwadi log) are still around and

> > roaming around,, even on internet- forums now-a-days " .

> >

> > Jyotisha has three skandhas from ancient times : Siddhaanta, Horaa, and

> > Samhitaa, and the team of Mr AKK is hell bent on declaring entire

> > Jyotisha as foreign, basing their fallacious arguments not upon original

> > Indian works but upon biased opinions of Hindu-haters like Wiztel. Mr

> > AKK and Mr Prashant Pandey believe in one part of anti-India propaganda

> > by abusing Jyotisha, esp Siddhanta, while keeps quiet about about

> > another part of this anti-India propaganda which regards all Rishis to

> > be descendants of beef eaters from Eastern Europe (Aryan Invasion

> > Theory).

> >

> > Mr Prashant Pandey can only abuse me because he and his guru AKK are

> > deficient in arguments. AKK & c do not know any skandha of Jyotisha,

> > Siddhaanta, Horaa or Samhitaa, and therefore they must abuse the grapes

> > as sour.

> >

> > This is an astrological forum which Mr Prashant Pandey is misusing for

> > abusing Indian astrology. Calling me a demon will not give these fellows

> > knowleable about Siddhanta.. Please ask them to solve the problem of

> > Vedanga Jyotisha dating which they are now putting in the category of

> > works influenced by foreigners : show here how it can be put around 1300

> > or 1400 BCE as Mr AKK wrote. Borrowing Western garbage and abusing

> > Indian texts will not make them Hindus. Hence, please show here how

> > Vedanga Jyotisha can be put around 1300 or 1400 BCE as Mr AKK wrote .

> > Instead of abusing, use some brains (if you have any) to solve this

> > problem. Witzel puts Vedanga Jyotisha around 300 BCE, neglecting the

> > astronomical conditions described. Colebrooke & c put it around 1400 BCE,

> > which AKK accepts. But both are wrong. Vedanga Jyotisha is a much

> > earlier work, and any honest discussion will faksify the claim of those

> > who regard any Veda or Vedanga as foreign.

> >

> > -Vinay Jha

> > ============ ======== =====

> > vedic astrology, Astrolearner Brazil

> > <astrolearner_ brazil@> wrote:

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 28/5/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul jyotirved@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Avtar Krishen Kaul jyotirved@

> > > [HinduCalendar] Fwd: David Pingree's and Eric Forbes' papers

> > on Mesopotamian influence on Indian astronomy

> > > hinducalendar

> > > Thursday, 28 May, 2009, 7:45 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Abhinavagupta, " Sunthar Visuvalingam "

> > suntharv@ .> wrote:

> > >

> > > You can find the full text of David Pingree's paper " The Mesopotamian

> > Origin

> > > of Early Indian Mathematical Astronomy " at

> > >

> > > http://articles. adsabs.harvard. edu//full/ 1973JHA.. ...4....1P/

> > 0000001.000. htm

> > > l

> > > <http://articles. adsabs.harvard. edu/full/ 1973JHA.. ....4....1P/

> > 0000001.000. htm

> > > l>

> > >

> > > and also another relevant paper (in PDF) by Eric G. Forbes,

> > " Mesopotamian

> > > and Greek influences on Ancient Indian Astronomy and on the work of

> > > ÂryabhaTa at

> > >

> > > http://www.new. dli.ernet. in/rawdataupload /upload/insa/

> > INSA_1/20005af8_ 150.pd

> > > f

> > >

> > > Sunthar

> > >

> > > [Follow-up on my comment (below) on Francesco's post (26 May 2009) at

> > >

> > > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5047

> > >

> > > Rest of this thread at Koenraad's post (26 May 2009) at

> > >

> > > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5051]

> > >

> > >

†" †" †" †" †" †" âââ€\

šÂ¬ " †" †" †" †" †" †"

> > >

> > > Francesco,

> > >

> > > I've temporarily changed the setting to allow members to upload files,

> > and

> > > will change it back to moderator only after you post the link to the

> > > uploaded file(s).

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > Sunthar

> > >

> > >

> > > Francesco Brighenti

> > > Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:07 AM

> > > Abhinavagupta

> > > [Abhinavagupta] Re: Secrets of the Earth

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > Indeed, on pp. 72-74 of his paper uploaded at

> > >

> > > http://www.ejvs. laurasianacademy .com/ejvs0703/ ejvs0703article. pdf

> > ,

> > >

> > > Witzel therein supplies a terse yet dense discussion of the wrong

> > (according

> > > to his views) dating of the VJ at 1400 BCE. To this effect, he also

> > cites a

> > > paper by the well-known world espert of jyotihshastra (Sanskrit astral

> > and

> > > mathematical literature), David Pingree, which I have loaded on my PC

> > (D.

> > > Pingree, " The Mesopotamian Origin of Early Indian Mathematical

> > Astronomy, "

> > > _Journal for the History of Astronomy_ 4 [1973], pp. 1-12). I'd like

> > to

> > > upload a copy of this paper on the Files section of the Abhinavagupta

> > List,

> > > but, due to some restriction set up by the Moderator, this is not

> > allowed to

> > > me (and I cannot even attach it to a message to the List because I

> > don't use

> > > an e-mail program, but write my messages directly on the Web instead).

> > If

> > > Sunthar wants, I can e-mail a copy of this paper directly to him as a

> > PDF

> > > attachment, and he can then add it to the List's Files section. In the

> > > meanwhile, you can read Witzel's faithful summary of Pingree's

> > arguments

> > > against the dating of the VJ at 1400 BCE on p. 73 of the paper whose

> > link I

> > > have provided above.

> > >

> > > I'd like to see your detailed counter-arguments against Pingree &

> > Witzel's

> > > conclusions, Koenraad. Same w.r.t. Avtar Krishen Kaul's post archived

> > at

> > >

> > > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5036 ,

> > >

> > > for, as far as I can see, his " super-high " chronology for the Vedas

> > and the

> > > Mahabharata almost entirely rests on the assumption that the VJ was

> > composed

> > > circa 1400 BCE.

> > >

> > > Kindest regards,

> > >

> > > Francesco

> > >

> > > [Response to Koenraad's post (26 May 2009) at

> > >

> > > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5044]

> > >

> > > ------------ --------

> > >

> > > --- End forwarded message ---

> > >

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> > >

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, " indian_kachua " <indian_kachua wrote:

>

> Dear ALL,

>

> Please read whole mail

>

> < I have already given references to Raashi in Vedas, yet Mr AKK & c

> neglect my messages and keep on harping that Raashi was unknown in

> Vedic period. >

>

> About what VERSE you are talking about.Provide again.

>

> < I countered his wrong computations of ayanamsha, and instead

> of answering me he left the debate and is boycotting me since then >

>

> Please dont talk of your comptational things as you cant calculate the real

location and you are claiming big claims.

>

> < Hindu Calendar does not need reforms from those who do not know how to

compute planetary positions. >

>

> It applies to you not to others, you are the only person who is claiming only

wrong planetary location.

>

> < I do not need certificates from you.. I have first hand experience of the

" greatness " of Mr Kaul. >

>

> You cant get certificate from any for your stupid claims.

>

> < Mr Kaul & c are abusing Siddhantic astronomy as " foreign " . It is sour grape

syndrome of ignorants. If the team of Mr Kaul gives an answer to a very simple

question from Siddhantic astronomy, which a 20-21 year year old student of

Jyotishaachaarya is expected to know, I vow I will become a slave of Mr Kaul in

all matters : >

>

> You are repeating again and again false claims about sidhanta etc etc...Keep

that aside as here all know it cant locate real planetary location

>

> < Makaranda Tables are oldest tables (1478 AD) based on Suryasiddhanta, older

than the extant manuscripts of Ranganaatha and others. Please give give the

Suryasiddhantic equation of Makaranda Table of equation of centre (Manda Phala)

for any of the five planets from Mercury to Saturn. The first verse of Makaranda

Tablessays it is Suryasiddhantic. >

>

> 1478 AD is old thing?? Huh here we are talking of VEDAS and you are talking of

table.Please keep that in your pocket for you Sidhanta which hold no water in

reality as you have already said that it differs from reality

>

> < Or, give me the date of Vedaanga Jyotisha which Mr AKK claims to be of 1300

BCE. If Mr AKK proves his date right, even with a margin of eroor of many

centuries, I will become his disciple and slave. >

>

> He is not claiming a lobby is claiming who have calculated on the basis of VE

point.Why you dont understand the point.You are already slave.

>

> < I cannot join all forums. There are only 24 hours in a day, and I have set

foot outside my working place for two months due to overload of work. >

>

> It is my sincere advice dont join otherwise you will loose arguments from

first day, i m saying this after reading your all documents and mails

> You claim you are monk and now working place, why you make fool all ppl

>

> vedic astrology , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> >

> > <<< " I have yet to see anyone, including you, with such a command over the

> > Vedas, Puranas, Sidhantas etc. etc. and even phalita-jyotisha shastras,

> > as Mr. Kaul! " >>>

> >

> >

> > I have already given references to Raashi in Vedas, yet Mr AKK & c

> > neglect my messages and keep on harping that Raashi was unknown in

> > Vedic period. I countered his wrong computations of ayanamsha, and instead

> > of answering me he left the debate and is boycotting me since then, and

therafter Mr Prashant Pandey

> > descended from somewhere to abuse me.

> >

> > Hindu Calendar does not need reforms from those who do not know how to

compute planetary positions. I do not need certificates from you.. I have first

hand experience of

> > the " greatness " of Mr Kaul.

> >

> > Mr Kaul & c are abusing Siddhantic astronomy as " foreign " . It is sour grape

syndrome of ignorants. If the team of Mr Kaul gives an answer to a very simple

question from Siddhantic astronomy, which a 20-21 year year old student of

Jyotishaachaarya is expected to know, I vow I will become a slave of Mr Kaul in

all matters :

> >

> > Makaranda Tables are oldest tables (1478 AD) based on Suryasiddhanta, older

than the extant manuscripts of Ranganaatha and others. Please give give the

Suryasiddhantic equation of Makaranda Table of equation of centre (Manda Phala)

for any of the five planets from Mercury to Saturn. The first verse of Makaranda

Tablessays it is Suryasiddhantic.

> >

> > Or, give me the date of Vedaanga Jyotisha which Mr AKK claims to be of 1300

BCE. If Mr AKK proves his date right, even with a margin of eroor of many

centuries, I will become his disciple and slave.

> >

> > OK ???

> >

> > I cannot join all forums. There are only 24 hours in a day, and I have

> > set foot outside my working place for two months due to overload of

> > work.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ======================== ================

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > jyotishi2001 <jyotishi2001@>

> > vedic astrology

> > Saturday, May 30, 2009 2:44:14 PM

> > [vedic astrology] Re: [HinduCalendar] Fwd: Mesopotamian influence

: Disowning One's Heritage

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Vinayji,

> > Why don't you join HinduCalendar forum and express your differences there

since, as far as I know, posts on that forum are not moderated and nobody has

been banned from that forum, unlike this Vedic-astrology forum, that has banned

Mr. Kaul.

> > I know you will call me a stooge of Mr. Kaul, or even Kaul with a fake id,

but that does not matter, since I want you to find out for yourself certain

facts about the real Vedic culture, as I have yet to see anyone, including you,

with such a command over the Vedas, Puranas, Sidhantas etc. etc. and even

phalita-jyotisha shastras, as Mr. Kaul! After all, he was not awarded

NOSTRADAMUS AWARD for correct predictions for nothing!

> > Best regards,

> > Jyotishi2001

> >

> > vedic astrology, " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Mr Prashant Pandey has been entrusted by the team of Mr AK Kaul to abuse

> > > ancient Siddhaantas as works of Rakshasas (demons) and includes me among

> > > demons : " Those Devils(Terrorists, Aatankwadi log) are still around and

> > > roaming around,, even on internet- forums now-a-days " .

> > >

> > > Jyotisha has three skandhas from ancient times : Siddhaanta, Horaa, and

> > > Samhitaa, and the team of Mr AKK is hell bent on declaring entire

> > > Jyotisha as foreign, basing their fallacious arguments not upon original

> > > Indian works but upon biased opinions of Hindu-haters like Wiztel. Mr

> > > AKK and Mr Prashant Pandey believe in one part of anti-India propaganda

> > > by abusing Jyotisha, esp Siddhanta, while keeps quiet about about

> > > another part of this anti-India propaganda which regards all Rishis to

> > > be descendants of beef eaters from Eastern Europe (Aryan Invasion

> > > Theory).

> > >

> > > Mr Prashant Pandey can only abuse me because he and his guru AKK are

> > > deficient in arguments. AKK & c do not know any skandha of Jyotisha,

> > > Siddhaanta, Horaa or Samhitaa, and therefore they must abuse the grapes

> > > as sour.

> > >

> > > This is an astrological forum which Mr Prashant Pandey is misusing for

> > > abusing Indian astrology. Calling me a demon will not give these fellows

> > > knowleable about Siddhanta.. Please ask them to solve the problem of

> > > Vedanga Jyotisha dating which they are now putting in the category of

> > > works influenced by foreigners : show here how it can be put around 1300

> > > or 1400 BCE as Mr AKK wrote. Borrowing Western garbage and abusing

> > > Indian texts will not make them Hindus. Hence, please show here how

> > > Vedanga Jyotisha can be put around 1300 or 1400 BCE as Mr AKK wrote .

> > > Instead of abusing, use some brains (if you have any) to solve this

> > > problem. Witzel puts Vedanga Jyotisha around 300 BCE, neglecting the

> > > astronomical conditions described. Colebrooke & c put it around 1400 BCE,

> > > which AKK accepts. But both are wrong. Vedanga Jyotisha is a much

> > > earlier work, and any honest discussion will faksify the claim of those

> > > who regard any Veda or Vedanga as foreign.

> > >

> > > -Vinay Jha

> > > ============ ======== =====

> > > vedic astrology, Astrolearner Brazil

> > > <astrolearner_ brazil@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > --- On Thu, 28/5/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul jyotirved@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Avtar Krishen Kaul jyotirved@

> > > > [HinduCalendar] Fwd: David Pingree's and Eric Forbes' papers

> > > on Mesopotamian influence on Indian astronomy

> > > > hinducalendar

> > > > Thursday, 28 May, 2009, 7:45 AM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Abhinavagupta, " Sunthar Visuvalingam "

> > > suntharv@ .> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > You can find the full text of David Pingree's paper " The Mesopotamian

> > > Origin

> > > > of Early Indian Mathematical Astronomy " at

> > > >

> > > > http://articles. adsabs.harvard. edu//full/ 1973JHA.. ...4....1P/

> > > 0000001.000. htm

> > > > l

> > > > <http://articles. adsabs.harvard. edu/full/ 1973JHA.. ....4....1P/

> > > 0000001.000. htm

> > > > l>

> > > >

> > > > and also another relevant paper (in PDF) by Eric G. Forbes,

> > > " Mesopotamian

> > > > and Greek influences on Ancient Indian Astronomy and on the work of

> > > > ÂryabhaTa at

> > > >

> > > > http://www.new. dli.ernet. in/rawdataupload /upload/insa/

> > > INSA_1/20005af8_ 150.pd

> > > > f

> > > >

> > > > Sunthar

> > > >

> > > > [Follow-up on my comment (below) on Francesco's post (26 May 2009) at

> > > >

> > > > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5047

> > > >

> > > > Rest of this thread at Koenraad's post (26 May 2009) at

> > > >

> > > > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5051]

> > > >

> > > >

†" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †"

> > > >

> > > > Francesco,

> > > >

> > > > I've temporarily changed the setting to allow members to upload files,

> > > and

> > > > will change it back to moderator only after you post the link to the

> > > > uploaded file(s).

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sunthar

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Francesco Brighenti

> > > > Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:07 AM

> > > > Abhinavagupta

> > > > [Abhinavagupta] Re: Secrets of the Earth

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Indeed, on pp. 72-74 of his paper uploaded at

> > > >

> > > > http://www.ejvs. laurasianacademy .com/ejvs0703/ ejvs0703article. pdf

> > > ,

> > > >

> > > > Witzel therein supplies a terse yet dense discussion of the wrong

> > > (according

> > > > to his views) dating of the VJ at 1400 BCE. To this effect, he also

> > > cites a

> > > > paper by the well-known world espert of jyotihshastra (Sanskrit astral

> > > and

> > > > mathematical literature), David Pingree, which I have loaded on my PC

> > > (D.

> > > > Pingree, " The Mesopotamian Origin of Early Indian Mathematical

> > > Astronomy, "

> > > > _Journal for the History of Astronomy_ 4 [1973], pp. 1-12). I'd like

> > > to

> > > > upload a copy of this paper on the Files section of the Abhinavagupta

> > > List,

> > > > but, due to some restriction set up by the Moderator, this is not

> > > allowed to

> > > > me (and I cannot even attach it to a message to the List because I

> > > don't use

> > > > an e-mail program, but write my messages directly on the Web instead).

> > > If

> > > > Sunthar wants, I can e-mail a copy of this paper directly to him as a

> > > PDF

> > > > attachment, and he can then add it to the List's Files section. In the

> > > > meanwhile, you can read Witzel's faithful summary of Pingree's

> > > arguments

> > > > against the dating of the VJ at 1400 BCE on p. 73 of the paper whose

> > > link I

> > > > have provided above.

> > > >

> > > > I'd like to see your detailed counter-arguments against Pingree &

> > > Witzel's

> > > > conclusions, Koenraad. Same w.r.t. Avtar Krishen Kaul's post archived

> > > at

> > > >

> > > > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5036 ,

> > > >

> > > > for, as far as I can see, his " super-high " chronology for the Vedas

> > > and the

> > > > Mahabharata almost entirely rests on the assumption that the VJ was

> > > composed

> > > > circa 1400 BCE.

> > > >

> > > > Kindest regards,

> > > >

> > > > Francesco

> > > >

> > > > [Response to Koenraad's post (26 May 2009) at

> > > >

> > > > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5044]

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------

> > > >

> > > > --- End forwarded message ---

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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, " indian_kachua " <indian_kachua wrote:

>

> Mr Expert any input on this mail??Why are you silent??

> There is no abuse but you are silent

>

>

> , " indian_kachua " <indian_kachua@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear ALL,

> >

> > Please read whole mail

> >

> > < I have already given references to Raashi in Vedas, yet Mr AKK & c

> > neglect my messages and keep on harping that Raashi was unknown in

> > Vedic period. >

> >

> > About what VERSE you are talking about.Provide again.

> >

> > < I countered his wrong computations of ayanamsha, and instead

> > of answering me he left the debate and is boycotting me since then >

> >

> > Please dont talk of your comptational things as you cant calculate the real

location and you are claiming big claims.

> >

> > < Hindu Calendar does not need reforms from those who do not know how to

compute planetary positions. >

> >

> > It applies to you not to others, you are the only person who is claiming

only wrong planetary location.

> >

> > < I do not need certificates from you.. I have first hand experience of the

" greatness " of Mr Kaul. >

> >

> > You cant get certificate from any for your stupid claims.

> >

> > < Mr Kaul & c are abusing Siddhantic astronomy as " foreign " . It is sour grape

syndrome of ignorants. If the team of Mr Kaul gives an answer to a very simple

question from Siddhantic astronomy, which a 20-21 year year old student of

Jyotishaachaarya is expected to know, I vow I will become a slave of Mr Kaul in

all matters : >

> >

> > You are repeating again and again false claims about sidhanta etc etc...Keep

that aside as here all know it cant locate real planetary location

> >

> > < Makaranda Tables are oldest tables (1478 AD) based on Suryasiddhanta,

older than the extant manuscripts of Ranganaatha and others. Please give give

the Suryasiddhantic equation of Makaranda Table of equation of centre (Manda

Phala) for any of the five planets from Mercury to Saturn. The first verse of

Makaranda Tablessays it is Suryasiddhantic. >

> >

> > 1478 AD is old thing?? Huh here we are talking of VEDAS and you are talking

of table.Please keep that in your pocket for you Sidhanta which hold no water in

reality as you have already said that it differs from reality

> >

> > < Or, give me the date of Vedaanga Jyotisha which Mr AKK claims to be of

1300 BCE. If Mr AKK proves his date right, even with a margin of eroor of many

centuries, I will become his disciple and slave. >

> >

> > He is not claiming a lobby is claiming who have calculated on the basis of

VE point.Why you dont understand the point.You are already slave.

> >

> > < I cannot join all forums. There are only 24 hours in a day, and I have set

foot outside my working place for two months due to overload of work. >

> >

> > It is my sincere advice dont join otherwise you will loose arguments from

first day, i m saying this after reading your all documents and mails

> > You claim you are monk and now working place, why you make fool all ppl

> >

> > vedic astrology , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > >

> > > <<< " I have yet to see anyone, including you, with such a command over the

> > > Vedas, Puranas, Sidhantas etc. etc. and even phalita-jyotisha shastras,

> > > as Mr. Kaul! " >>>

> > >

> > >

> > > I have already given references to Raashi in Vedas, yet Mr AKK & c

> > > neglect my messages and keep on harping that Raashi was unknown in

> > > Vedic period. I countered his wrong computations of ayanamsha, and

instead

> > > of answering me he left the debate and is boycotting me since then, and

therafter Mr Prashant Pandey

> > > descended from somewhere to abuse me.

> > >

> > > Hindu Calendar does not need reforms from those who do not know how to

compute planetary positions. I do not need certificates from you.. I have first

hand experience of

> > > the " greatness " of Mr Kaul.

> > >

> > > Mr Kaul & c are abusing Siddhantic astronomy as " foreign " . It is sour grape

syndrome of ignorants. If the team of Mr Kaul gives an answer to a very simple

question from Siddhantic astronomy, which a 20-21 year year old student of

Jyotishaachaarya is expected to know, I vow I will become a slave of Mr Kaul in

all matters :

> > >

> > > Makaranda Tables are oldest tables (1478 AD) based on Suryasiddhanta,

older than the extant manuscripts of Ranganaatha and others. Please give give

the Suryasiddhantic equation of Makaranda Table of equation of centre (Manda

Phala) for any of the five planets from Mercury to Saturn. The first verse of

Makaranda Tablessays it is Suryasiddhantic.

> > >

> > > Or, give me the date of Vedaanga Jyotisha which Mr AKK claims to be of

1300 BCE. If Mr AKK proves his date right, even with a margin of eroor of many

centuries, I will become his disciple and slave.

> > >

> > > OK ???

> > >

> > > I cannot join all forums. There are only 24 hours in a day, and I have

> > > set foot outside my working place for two months due to overload of

> > > work.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > ======================== ================

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > jyotishi2001 <jyotishi2001@>

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Saturday, May 30, 2009 2:44:14 PM

> > > [vedic astrology] Re: [HinduCalendar] Fwd: Mesopotamian

influence : Disowning One's Heritage

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Vinayji,

> > > Why don't you join HinduCalendar forum and express your differences there

since, as far as I know, posts on that forum are not moderated and nobody has

been banned from that forum, unlike this Vedic-astrology forum, that has banned

Mr. Kaul.

> > > I know you will call me a stooge of Mr. Kaul, or even Kaul with a fake id,

but that does not matter, since I want you to find out for yourself certain

facts about the real Vedic culture, as I have yet to see anyone, including you,

with such a command over the Vedas, Puranas, Sidhantas etc. etc. and even

phalita-jyotisha shastras, as Mr. Kaul! After all, he was not awarded

NOSTRADAMUS AWARD for correct predictions for nothing!

> > > Best regards,

> > > Jyotishi2001

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Mr Prashant Pandey has been entrusted by the team of Mr AK Kaul to abuse

> > > > ancient Siddhaantas as works of Rakshasas (demons) and includes me among

> > > > demons : " Those Devils(Terrorists, Aatankwadi log) are still around and

> > > > roaming around,, even on internet- forums now-a-days " .

> > > >

> > > > Jyotisha has three skandhas from ancient times : Siddhaanta, Horaa, and

> > > > Samhitaa, and the team of Mr AKK is hell bent on declaring entire

> > > > Jyotisha as foreign, basing their fallacious arguments not upon original

> > > > Indian works but upon biased opinions of Hindu-haters like Wiztel. Mr

> > > > AKK and Mr Prashant Pandey believe in one part of anti-India propaganda

> > > > by abusing Jyotisha, esp Siddhanta, while keeps quiet about about

> > > > another part of this anti-India propaganda which regards all Rishis to

> > > > be descendants of beef eaters from Eastern Europe (Aryan Invasion

> > > > Theory).

> > > >

> > > > Mr Prashant Pandey can only abuse me because he and his guru AKK are

> > > > deficient in arguments. AKK & c do not know any skandha of Jyotisha,

> > > > Siddhaanta, Horaa or Samhitaa, and therefore they must abuse the grapes

> > > > as sour.

> > > >

> > > > This is an astrological forum which Mr Prashant Pandey is misusing for

> > > > abusing Indian astrology. Calling me a demon will not give these fellows

> > > > knowleable about Siddhanta.. Please ask them to solve the problem of

> > > > Vedanga Jyotisha dating which they are now putting in the category of

> > > > works influenced by foreigners : show here how it can be put around 1300

> > > > or 1400 BCE as Mr AKK wrote. Borrowing Western garbage and abusing

> > > > Indian texts will not make them Hindus. Hence, please show here how

> > > > Vedanga Jyotisha can be put around 1300 or 1400 BCE as Mr AKK wrote .

> > > > Instead of abusing, use some brains (if you have any) to solve this

> > > > problem. Witzel puts Vedanga Jyotisha around 300 BCE, neglecting the

> > > > astronomical conditions described. Colebrooke & c put it around 1400 BCE,

> > > > which AKK accepts. But both are wrong. Vedanga Jyotisha is a much

> > > > earlier work, and any honest discussion will faksify the claim of those

> > > > who regard any Veda or Vedanga as foreign.

> > > >

> > > > -Vinay Jha

> > > > ============ ======== =====

> > > > vedic astrology, Astrolearner Brazil

> > > > <astrolearner_ brazil@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Thu, 28/5/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul jyotirved@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Avtar Krishen Kaul jyotirved@

> > > > > [HinduCalendar] Fwd: David Pingree's and Eric Forbes' papers

> > > > on Mesopotamian influence on Indian astronomy

> > > > > hinducalendar

> > > > > Thursday, 28 May, 2009, 7:45 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Abhinavagupta, " Sunthar Visuvalingam "

> > > > suntharv@ .> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > You can find the full text of David Pingree's paper " The Mesopotamian

> > > > Origin

> > > > > of Early Indian Mathematical Astronomy " at

> > > > >

> > > > > http://articles. adsabs.harvard. edu//full/ 1973JHA.. ...4....1P/

> > > > 0000001.000. htm

> > > > > l

> > > > > <http://articles. adsabs.harvard. edu/full/ 1973JHA.. ....4....1P/

> > > > 0000001.000. htm

> > > > > l>

> > > > >

> > > > > and also another relevant paper (in PDF) by Eric G. Forbes,

> > > > " Mesopotamian

> > > > > and Greek influences on Ancient Indian Astronomy and on the work of

> > > > > ÂryabhaTa at

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.new. dli.ernet. in/rawdataupload /upload/insa/

> > > > INSA_1/20005af8_ 150.pd

> > > > > f

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunthar

> > > > >

> > > > > [Follow-up on my comment (below) on Francesco's post (26 May 2009) at

> > > > >

> > > > > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5047

> > > > >

> > > > > Rest of this thread at Koenraad's post (26 May 2009) at

> > > > >

> > > > > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5051]

> > > > >

> > > > >

†" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †" †"

> > > > >

> > > > > Francesco,

> > > > >

> > > > > I've temporarily changed the setting to allow members to upload files,

> > > > and

> > > > > will change it back to moderator only after you post the link to the

> > > > > uploaded file(s).

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunthar

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Francesco Brighenti

> > > > > Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:07 AM

> > > > > Abhinavagupta

> > > > > [Abhinavagupta] Re: Secrets of the Earth

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Indeed, on pp. 72-74 of his paper uploaded at

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.ejvs. laurasianacademy .com/ejvs0703/ ejvs0703article. pdf

> > > > ,

> > > > >

> > > > > Witzel therein supplies a terse yet dense discussion of the wrong

> > > > (according

> > > > > to his views) dating of the VJ at 1400 BCE. To this effect, he also

> > > > cites a

> > > > > paper by the well-known world espert of jyotihshastra (Sanskrit astral

> > > > and

> > > > > mathematical literature), David Pingree, which I have loaded on my PC

> > > > (D.

> > > > > Pingree, " The Mesopotamian Origin of Early Indian Mathematical

> > > > Astronomy, "

> > > > > _Journal for the History of Astronomy_ 4 [1973], pp. 1-12). I'd like

> > > > to

> > > > > upload a copy of this paper on the Files section of the Abhinavagupta

> > > > List,

> > > > > but, due to some restriction set up by the Moderator, this is not

> > > > allowed to

> > > > > me (and I cannot even attach it to a message to the List because I

> > > > don't use

> > > > > an e-mail program, but write my messages directly on the Web instead).

> > > > If

> > > > > Sunthar wants, I can e-mail a copy of this paper directly to him as a

> > > > PDF

> > > > > attachment, and he can then add it to the List's Files section. In the

> > > > > meanwhile, you can read Witzel's faithful summary of Pingree's

> > > > arguments

> > > > > against the dating of the VJ at 1400 BCE on p. 73 of the paper whose

> > > > link I

> > > > > have provided above.

> > > > >

> > > > > I'd like to see your detailed counter-arguments against Pingree &

> > > > Witzel's

> > > > > conclusions, Koenraad. Same w.r.t. Avtar Krishen Kaul's post archived

> > > > at

> > > > >

> > > > > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5036 ,

> > > > >

> > > > > for, as far as I can see, his " super-high " chronology for the Vedas

> > > > and the

> > > > > Mahabharata almost entirely rests on the assumption that the VJ was

> > > > composed

> > > > > circa 1400 BCE.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kindest regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Francesco

> > > > >

> > > > > [Response to Koenraad's post (26 May 2009) at

> > > > >

> > > > > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5044]

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