Free Will and Destiny reading from chart

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Dear Sanjay Jee,

 

This is truely a very good information which really give very useful and practical insight into the Destiny and Freewill instead of writing endlessly on various theories and stories about Freewill. I thank you very much.

 

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Sai Krishna--- On Tue, 2/6/09, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote:

Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar Free Will and Destiny reading from chartsohamsa Cc: sanjayprabhakaran.notesDate: Tuesday, 2 June, 2009, 11:19 AM

 

 

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jyotishas, I was try to get some reference from any classical texts to find how much karma the person has gathered thru free will in this birth versus the destined karma results from previous births. Prashna Marga Chapter One gives this details. It mentions that Natal horoscope at birth indicates all the karma done prior to birth. The prashna chart cast at the time of prashna can be used to find the additional karma the person has accumulated since birth till that moment. I think the older the person gets more the chances of accumulating additional karma. A young child may not have accumulate much karma by free will whereas an older person could have underwent most the karma fruits indicated in the birth chart and also may have added additional karma. So as the person get older I think it's very essential to cast the Prashna Chart. I am giving the qoutes from Prashna marga Chapter one

below.Warm Regards,Sanjay P

Stanza 39. — The balance of good or bad Karma brought forward from the previous birth is prarabdha, and it is the reading of this that goes under the name of Jataka or Astrology.

Stanza 40. — One undergoes the consequences of one's previous Karma from birth to death and this can be known from his horoscope. Then what is the use of Prasna?

NOTES

As the name of the book implies, Prasna Marga has primarily to do with Prasna or horary astrology, though, almost all the principles may be used with advantage in interpreting radical horoscopes. In stanza 40, the author queries as to what use a Prasna chart could be put to when horoscopy can deal with all important events. He answers the question in the following stanzas: -

Stanza 41. — Prasna reveals to us whether a man reaps the fruits of his deeds in his previous birth or the fruits of his actions in this birth. Here a question arises.

Stanza 42. — How can we distinguish whether it is the result of our previous Karma or present Karma that is yielding its result now?

Stanza 43. — If the horoscope has bene6cial planetary patterns and the Prasna chart malefic ones, then it is to be understood that the native is experiencing the fruits of evil Karma done in this birth. If vice versa, then also the native is experiencing the effects of good Karma done in this birth.

Stanza 44. — If the planetary patterns in the horoscope as well as in the Prasna chart are similar, then a clever astrologer should divine that the native is experiencing the fruits of his past Karma only.

NOTES

In stanzas 41 to 44, the author explains the relative utilities of the Prasna and the birth charts. There is repeated emphasis on the influences of Karma and the importance of Prasna in finding out the nature of Karma to be enjoyed in this birth. The horoscope by itself reveals the nature of past Karma and the Prasna chart acts as some sort of a supplement to the birth chart. Suppose we see in a man's horoscope a good period and in a query of his (Prasna chart) a very bad time, then we have to assume that the person is reaping the bad effects of his Karma done in this life. Suppose we see in his horoscope a bad period and in his Prasna chart a good period, it is to be inferred that the person is reaping the favourable effects of good deeds done in this birth only. If the horoscope and Prasna are similar in positions and combinations, then the person is reaping the result of Karma

done in his previous birth. Since some sort of a balancing of the birth and Prasna charts is involved, it is clear that the current indications in the birth chart, i.e., the indications obtaining at the time of a query — the benefic and malefic dispositions of current Dasa lords, Yogakarakas, etc., have to be studied along with the Prasna chart to know the nature of Karma now being experienced.

 

SIMILARITY BETWEEN PRASNA AND JATAKA

 

Stanza 45. — The Prasna chart should be read just as the horoscope is examined with reference to its relative merits and demerits.

Stanza 46. — A person goes to an astrologer prompted by Providence to know his future.

Therefore there is a close similarity between Prasna and Jataka.

Stanza 47. — As Prasna Lagna is similar to Janma Lagna, all events should be read from Prasna as you would do in a horoscope.

NOTES

The sum and substance of these three stanzas is that the time of question (Prasna) should be given the same importance as the time of birth. Human births are regulated according to the law of Karma and hence the time of birth is significant. Similarly a person proceeds to an astrologer to ascertain his future prompted by a Divine force and hence the time of question is equally important. There are no doubt certain points of difference in reading Prasna charts and horoscopes. They are discussed by the author in their proper places. But unless otherwise implied, all events revealed in a horoscope can also be read from a Prasna chart. The principles given in this book may be used with advantage in studying horoscopes.

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Namaste Sanjay P,

 

I agree with this view.

 

While natal chart, its dasas and transits are giving valuable insight based only

on karmas done until birth, prasna chart includes karmas in this life also, done

until the prasna. It is based on the " upto-date destiny " .

 

Though several people often see charts without a prasna chart accompanying the

natal chart, many old astrologers are strict. They see a chart only when the

native or somebody close to him approaches then with a specific question and

they make a prasna chart in addition to the natal chart.

 

Thanks for the quotes!

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

 

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sohamsa , Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote:

>

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

>

> Dear Jyotishas,

> I was try to get some reference from any classical texts to find how much

> karma the person has gathered thru free will in this birth versus the

> destined karma results from previous births.

> Prashna Marga Chapter One gives this details. It mentions that Natal

> horoscope at birth indicates all the karma done prior to birth. The prashna

> chart cast at the time of prashna can be used to find the additional karma

> the person has accumulated since birth till that moment. I think the older

> the person gets more the chances of accumulating additional karma. A young

> child may not have accumulate much karma by free will whereas an older

> person could have underwent most the karma fruits indicated in the birth

> chart and also may have added additional karma. So as the person get older I

> think it's very essential to cast the Prashna Chart. I am giving the qoutes

> from Prashna marga Chapter one below.

>

> Warm Regards,

> Sanjay P

>

>

> Stanza 39.  The balance of good or bad Karma brought forward from the

> previous birth is prarabdha, and it is the reading of this that goes under

> the name of Jataka or Astrology.

>

> Stanza 40.  One undergoes the consequences of one's previous Karma

from

> birth to death and this can be known from his horoscope. Then what is the

> use of Prasna?

>

> NOTES

>

> As the name of the book implies, Prasna Marga has primarily to do with

> Prasna or horary astrology, though, almost all the principles may be used

> with advantage in interpreting radical horoscopes. In stanza 40, the author

> queries as to what use a Prasna chart could be put to when horoscopy can

> deal with all important events. He answers the question in the following

> stanzas: -

>

> Stanza 41.  Prasna reveals to us whether a man reaps the fruits of his

> deeds in his previous birth or the fruits of his actions in this birth. Here

> a question arises.

>

> Stanza 42.  How can we distinguish whether it is the result of our

previous

> Karma or present Karma that is yielding its result now?

>

> Stanza 43.  If the horoscope has bene6cial planetary patterns and the

> Prasna chart malefic ones, then it is to be understood that the native is

> experiencing the fruits of evil Karma done in this birth. If vice versa,

> then also the native is experiencing the effects of good Karma done in this

> birth.

>

> Stanza 44.  If the planetary patterns in the horoscope as well as in

the

> Prasna chart are similar, then a clever astrologer should divine that the

> native is experiencing the fruits of his past Karma only.

>

> NOTES

>

> In stanzas 41 to 44, the author explains the relative utilities of the

> Prasna and the birth charts. There is repeated emphasis on the influences of

> Karma and the importance of Prasna in finding out the nature of Karma to be

> enjoyed in this birth. The horoscope by itself reveals the nature of past

> Karma and the Prasna chart acts as some sort of a supplement to the birth

> chart. Suppose we see in a man's horoscope a good period and in a query of

> his (Prasna chart) a very bad time, then we have to assume that the person

> is reaping the bad effects of his Karma done in this life. Suppose we see in

> his horoscope a bad period and in his Prasna chart a good period, it is to

> be inferred that the person is reaping the favourable effects of good deeds

> done in this birth only. If the horoscope and Prasna are similar in

> positions and combinations, then the person is reaping the result of Karma

> done in his previous birth. Since some sort of a balancing of the birth and

> Prasna charts is involved, it is clear that the current indications in the

> birth chart, i.e., the indications obtaining at the time of a query â€â€

the

> benefic and malefic dispositions of current Dasa lords, Yogakarakas, etc.,

> have to be studied along with the Prasna chart to know the nature of Karma

> now being experienced.

>

>

>

> *SIMILARITY BETWEEN PRASNA AND JATAKA*

>

>

>

> Stanza 45.  The Prasna chart should be read just as the horoscope is

> examined with reference to its relative merits and demerits.

>

> Stanza 46.  A person goes to an astrologer prompted by Providence to

know

> his future.

>

> Therefore there is a close similarity between Prasna and Jataka.

>

> Stanza 47.  As Prasna Lagna is similar to Janma Lagna, all events

should be

> read from Prasna as you would do in a horoscope.

>

> NOTES

>

> The sum and substance of these three stanzas is that the time of question

> (Prasna) should be given the same importance as the time of birth. Human

> births are regulated according to the law of Karma and hence the time of

> birth is significant. Similarly a person proceeds to an astrologer to

> ascertain his future prompted by a Divine force and hence the time of

> question is equally important. There are no doubt certain points of

> difference in reading Prasna charts and horoscopes. They are discussed by

> the author in their proper places. But unless otherwise implied, all events

> revealed in a horoscope can also be read from a Prasna chart. The principles

> given in this book may be used with advantage in studying horoscopes.

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Sunil-da,

 

This prsna (prashna!) thing becomes even trickier on Internet? Which is the

correct moment? When the query was posted (often not known from where or which

time zone!) or when it was picked up by the astrologer? I think KM, the modern

Maestro of Horary astrology (no disrespect intended for his writings did open

the 'curtains' for me a tad as written about earlier!) gave some hints about

when to use the first vs 7th as the orienting point in a prashna analysis -

depending on certain conditions.

 

I am a firm believer in the illogical (as some may call it!) truth that each

moment captures the essence of what it unfolds! Kind of Jungian concept, but if

one reads Jung, they would realize how much Jung respected astrology and Hindu

thoughts and wrote about those as best as he could, never claiming full

understanding but thankful in a sense that the thoughts and concepts emanating

from Hindu concepts were present.

 

So if that is true -- and this is just a musing and neither a challenge nor a

gospel that I wish to spread (as if I could even if I wanted! There is a long

waiting list in that queue as I see it!) -- then the horary chart must contain

the hints of deception or insincerity on the part of the individual who asked

the prashna.

 

What is sad, though, is that the astrologer would first have to screen the

internet queries for deception and insincerity on the part of the questioning

individual (politics, psychopathology, plain insincerity - whatever the reason!)

before delving into the sacredness of astrological delineation!

 

Can astrology be practiced and unfold in a setting that reminds one of a

coroner's work-place? Where deception must be guarded against -- NAY -- taken

for granted!

 

How deplorable!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

>

> Dear Narasimha Raoji,

>  

> Though it may sound funny I wish to ask a question in view of some

astrologers like AKK saying  that they had not succeeded in making predictions

correctly. My question is :- Should the astrologer also not ask a question

about himself as to whether his prediction will come correct or not ? I mean

should astrologer himself not prepare next a prasna chart for his own prasna

and see that chart alongwith the two charts of the native. There may be changes

in the two prasna charts due to the time-interval between the two prasnas.

>  

> Regards,

>  

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>  

>

>

> --- On Tue, 6/2/09, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

>

>

> Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr

> Re: Re: Free Will and Destiny reading from chart

> sohamsa , vedic astrology ,

 

> Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 1:23 PM

>

>

Namaste Sanjay P,

>

> I agree with this view.

>

> While natal chart, its dasas and transits are giving valuable insight based

only on karmas done until birth, prasna chart includes karmas in this life also,

done until the prasna. It is based on the " upto-date destiny " .

>

> Though several people often see charts without a prasna chart accompanying the

natal chart, many old astrologers are strict. They see a chart only when the

native or somebody close to him approaches then with a specific question and

they make a prasna chart in addition to the natal chart.

>

> Thanks for the quotes!

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam

> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana

> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

>

> sohamsa@ .com, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> >

> > Dear Jyotishas,

> > I was try to get some reference from any classical texts to find how much

> > karma the person has gathered thru free will in this birth versus the

> > destined karma results from previous births.

> > Prashna Marga Chapter One gives this details. It mentions that Natal

> > horoscope at birth indicates all the karma done prior to birth. The prashna

> > chart cast at the time of prashna can be used to find the additional karma

> > the person has accumulated since birth till that moment. I think the older

> > the person gets more the chances of accumulating additional karma. A young

> > child may not have accumulate much karma by free will whereas an older

> > person could have underwent most the karma fruits indicated in the birth

> > chart and also may have added additional karma. So as the person get older I

> > think it's very essential to cast the Prashna Chart. I am giving the qoutes

> > from Prashna marga Chapter one below.

> >

> > Warm Regards,

> > Sanjay P

> >

> >

> > Stanza 39.  The balance of good or bad Karma brought forward from

the

> > previous birth is prarabdha, and it is the reading of this that goes under

> > the name of Jataka or Astrology.

> >

> > Stanza 40.  One undergoes the consequences of one's previous Karma

from

> > birth to death and this can be known from his horoscope. Then what is the

> > use of Prasna?

> >

> > NOTES

> >

> > As the name of the book implies, Prasna Marga has primarily to do with

> > Prasna or horary astrology, though, almost all the principles may be used

> > with advantage in interpreting radical horoscopes. In stanza 40, the author

> > queries as to what use a Prasna chart could be put to when horoscopy can

> > deal with all important events. He answers the question in the following

> > stanzas: -

> >

> > Stanza 41.  Prasna reveals to us whether a man reaps the fruits of

his

> > deeds in his previous birth or the fruits of his actions in this birth. Here

> > a question arises.

> >

> > Stanza 42.  How can we distinguish whether it is the result of our

previous

> > Karma or present Karma that is yielding its result now?

> >

> > Stanza 43.  If the horoscope has bene6cial planetary patterns and

the

> > Prasna chart malefic ones, then it is to be understood that the native is

> > experiencing the fruits of evil Karma done in this birth. If vice versa,

> > then also the native is experiencing the effects of good Karma done in this

> > birth.

> >

> > Stanza 44.  If the planetary patterns in the horoscope as well as in

the

> > Prasna chart are similar, then a clever astrologer should divine that the

> > native is experiencing the fruits of his past Karma only.

> >

> > NOTES

> >

> > In stanzas 41 to 44, the author explains the relative utilities of the

> > Prasna and the birth charts. There is repeated emphasis on the influences of

> > Karma and the importance of Prasna in finding out the nature of Karma to be

> > enjoyed in this birth. The horoscope by itself reveals the nature of past

> > Karma and the Prasna chart acts as some sort of a supplement to the birth

> > chart. Suppose we see in a man's horoscope a good period and in a query of

> > his (Prasna chart) a very bad time, then we have to assume that the person

> > is reaping the bad effects of his Karma done in this life. Suppose we see in

> > his horoscope a bad period and in his Prasna chart a good period, it is to

> > be inferred that the person is reaping the favourable effects of good deeds

> > done in this birth only. If the horoscope and Prasna are similar in

> > positions and combinations, then the person is reaping the result of Karma

> > done in his previous birth. Since some sort of a balancing of the birth and

> > Prasna charts is involved, it is clear that the current indications in the

> > birth chart, i.e., the indications obtaining at the time of a query â€â€

the

> > benefic and malefic dispositions of current Dasa lords, Yogakarakas, etc.,

> > have to be studied along with the Prasna chart to know the nature of Karma

> > now being experienced.

> >

> >

> >

> > *SIMILARITY BETWEEN PRASNA AND JATAKA*

> >

> >

> >

> > Stanza 45.  The Prasna chart should be read just as the horoscope is

> > examined with reference to its relative merits and demerits.

> >

> > Stanza 46.  A person goes to an astrologer prompted by Providence to

know

> > his future.

> >

> > Therefore there is a close similarity between Prasna and Jataka.

> >

> > Stanza 47.  As Prasna Lagna is similar to Janma Lagna, all events

should be

> > read from Prasna as you would do in a horoscope.

> >

> > NOTES

> >

> > The sum and substance of these three stanzas is that the time of question

> > (Prasna) should be given the same importance as the time of birth. Human

> > births are regulated according to the law of Karma and hence the time of

> > birth is significant. Similarly a person proceeds to an astrologer to

> > ascertain his future prompted by a Divine force and hence the time of

> > question is equally important. There are no doubt certain points of

> > difference in reading Prasna charts and horoscopes. They are discussed by

> > the author in their proper places. But unless otherwise implied, all events

> > revealed in a horoscope can also be read from a Prasna chart. The principles

> > given in this book may be used with advantage in studying horoscopes.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

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Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani

 

Friday, June 5, 2009 5:50:56 AM

Re: Free Will and Destiny reading from chart

 

 

 

 

 

Sunil-da,

 

This prsna (prashna!) thing becomes even trickier on Internet? Which is the

correct moment? When the query was posted (often not known from where or which

time zone!) or when it was picked up by the astrologer? I think KM, the modern

Maestro of Horary astrology (no disrespect intended for his writings did open

the 'curtains' for me a tad as written about earlier!) gave some hints about

when to use the first vs 7th as the orienting point in a prashna analysis -

depending on certain conditions.

 

I am a firm believer in the illogical (as some may call it!) truth that each

moment captures the essence of what it unfolds! Kind of Jungian concept, but if

one reads Jung, they would realize how much Jung respected astrology and Hindu

thoughts and wrote about those as best as he could, never claiming full

understanding but thankful in a sense that the thoughts and concepts emanating

from Hindu concepts were present.

 

So if that is true -- and this is just a musing and neither a challenge nor a

gospel that I wish to spread (as if I could even if I wanted! There is a long

waiting list in that queue as I see it!) -- then the horary chart must contain

the hints of deception or insincerity on the part of the individual who asked

the prashna.

 

What is sad, though, is that the astrologer would first have to screen the

internet queries for deception and insincerity on the part of the questioning

individual (politics, psychopathology, plain insincerity - whatever the reason!)

before delving into the sacredness of astrological delineation!

 

Can astrology be practiced and unfold in a setting that reminds one of a

coroner's work-place? Where deception must be guarded against -- NAY -- taken

for granted!

 

How deplorable!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy

a wrote:

>

> Dear Narasimha Raoji,

>

> Though it may sound funny I wish to ask a question in view of some astrologers

like AKK saying that they had not succeeded in making predictions correctly. My

question is :- Should the astrologer also not ask a question about himself as to

whether his prediction will come correct or not ? I mean should astrologer

himself not prepare next a prasna chart for his own prasna and see that chart

alongwith the two charts of the native. There may be changes in the two prasna

charts due to the time-interval between the two prasnas.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>

>

>

> --- On Tue, 6/2/09, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

>

>

> Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr

> Re: Re: Free Will and Destiny reading from chart

> sohamsa@ .com, vedic astrology, @

. com

> Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 1:23 PM

>

>

Namaste Sanjay P,

>

> I agree with this view.

>

> While natal chart, its dasas and transits are giving valuable insight based

only on karmas done until birth, prasna chart includes karmas in this life also,

done until the prasna. It is based on the " upto-date destiny " .

>

> Though several people often see charts without a prasna chart accompanying the

natal chart, many old astrologers are strict. They see a chart only when the

native or somebody close to him approaches then with a specific question and

they make a prasna chart in addition to the natal chart.

>

> Thanks for the quotes!

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam

> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana

> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

>

> sohamsa@ .com, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> >

> > Dear Jyotishas,

> > I was try to get some reference from any classical texts to find how much

> > karma the person has gathered thru free will in this birth versus the

> > destined karma results from previous births.

> > Prashna Marga Chapter One gives this details. It mentions that Natal

> > horoscope at birth indicates all the karma done prior to birth. The prashna

> > chart cast at the time of prashna can be used to find the additional karma

> > the person has accumulated since birth till that moment. I think the older

> > the person gets more the chances of accumulating additional karma. A young

> > child may not have accumulate much karma by free will whereas an older

> > person could have underwent most the karma fruits indicated in the birth

> > chart and also may have added additional karma. So as the person get older I

> > think it's very essential to cast the Prashna Chart. I am giving the qoutes

> > from Prashna marga Chapter one below.

> >

> > Warm Regards,

> > Sanjay P

> >

> >

> > Stanza 39.  The balance of good or bad Karma brought forward from

the

> > previous birth is prarabdha, and it is the reading of this that goes under

> > the name of Jataka or Astrology.

> >

> > Stanza 40.  One undergoes the consequences of one's previous Karma

from

> > birth to death and this can be known from his horoscope. Then what is the

> > use of Prasna?

> >

> > NOTES

> >

> > As the name of the book implies, Prasna Marga has primarily to do with

> > Prasna or horary astrology, though, almost all the principles may be used

> > with advantage in interpreting radical horoscopes. In stanza 40, the author

> > queries as to what use a Prasna chart could be put to when horoscopy can

> > deal with all important events. He answers the question in the following

> > stanzas: -

> >

> > Stanza 41.  Prasna reveals to us whether a man reaps the fruits of

his

> > deeds in his previous birth or the fruits of his actions in this birth. Here

> > a question arises.

> >

> > Stanza 42.  How can we distinguish whether it is the result of our

previous

> > Karma or present Karma that is yielding its result now?

> >

> > Stanza 43.  If the horoscope has bene6cial planetary patterns and

the

> > Prasna chart malefic ones, then it is to be understood that the native is

> > experiencing the fruits of evil Karma done in this birth. If vice versa,

> > then also the native is experiencing the effects of good Karma done in this

> > birth.

> >

> > Stanza 44.  If the planetary patterns in the horoscope as well as in

the

> > Prasna chart are similar, then a clever astrologer should divine that the

> > native is experiencing the fruits of his past Karma only.

> >

> > NOTES

> >

> > In stanzas 41 to 44, the author explains the relative utilities of the

> > Prasna and the birth charts. There is repeated emphasis on the influences of

> > Karma and the importance of Prasna in finding out the nature of Karma to be

> > enjoyed in this birth. The horoscope by itself reveals the nature of past

> > Karma and the Prasna chart acts as some sort of a supplement to the birth

> > chart. Suppose we see in a man's horoscope a good period and in a query of

> > his (Prasna chart) a very bad time, then we have to assume that the person

> > is reaping the bad effects of his Karma done in this life. Suppose we see in

> > his horoscope a bad period and in his Prasna chart a good period, it is to

> > be inferred that the person is reaping the favourable effects of good deeds

> > done in this birth only. If the horoscope and Prasna are similar in

> > positions and combinations, then the person is reaping the result of Karma

> > done in his previous birth. Since some sort of a balancing of the birth and

> > Prasna charts is involved, it is clear that the current indications in the

> > birth chart, i.e., the indications obtaining at the time of a query â€â€

the

> > benefic and malefic dispositions of current Dasa lords, Yogakarakas, etc.,

> > have to be studied along with the Prasna chart to know the nature of Karma

> > now being experienced.

> >

> >

> >

> > *SIMILARITY BETWEEN PRASNA AND JATAKA*

> >

> >

> >

> > Stanza 45.  The Prasna chart should be read just as the horoscope is

> > examined with reference to its relative merits and demerits.

> >

> > Stanza 46.  A person goes to an astrologer prompted by Providence to

know

> > his future.

> >

> > Therefore there is a close similarity between Prasna and Jataka.

> >

> > Stanza 47.  As Prasna Lagna is similar to Janma Lagna, all events

should be

> > read from Prasna as you would do in a horoscope.

> >

> > NOTES

> >

> > The sum and substance of these three stanzas is that the time of question

> > (Prasna) should be given the same importance as the time of birth. Human

> > births are regulated according to the law of Karma and hence the time of

> > birth is significant. Similarly a person proceeds to an astrologer to

> > ascertain his future prompted by a Divine force and hence the time of

> > question is equally important. There are no doubt certain points of

> > difference in reading Prasna charts and horoscopes. They are discussed by

> > the author in their proper places. But unless otherwise implied, all events

> > revealed in a horoscope can also be read from a Prasna chart. The principles

> > given in this book may be used with advantage in studying horoscopes.

>

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[Guest guest]

But of course! The " term " may be oxymoronic as I believe it is called, but not

meaningless ;-)

 

If 'free-will' (I like the term 'act of volition' better) were meaningless and

non-existing then there would be no purpose for astrology. Other than fulfilling

idle curiosity by knowing what is going to happen or occur and simple watch

*destiny* unfold.

 

RR

 

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Hobbes said that free will is meaningless, because all will is free. If the

will is unfree, it is no will at all.

>

> -vj

>

> ======================== =========

>

>

> ________________________________

> Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani

>

> Friday, June 5, 2009 5:50:56 AM

> Re: Free Will and Destiny reading from chart

>

>

>

>

>

> Sunil-da,

>

> This prsna (prashna!) thing becomes even trickier on Internet? Which is the

correct moment? When the query was posted (often not known from where or which

time zone!) or when it was picked up by the astrologer? I think KM, the modern

Maestro of Horary astrology (no disrespect intended for his writings did open

the 'curtains' for me a tad as written about earlier!) gave some hints about

when to use the first vs 7th as the orienting point in a prashna analysis -

depending on certain conditions.

>

> I am a firm believer in the illogical (as some may call it!) truth that each

moment captures the essence of what it unfolds! Kind of Jungian concept, but if

one reads Jung, they would realize how much Jung respected astrology and Hindu

thoughts and wrote about those as best as he could, never claiming full

understanding but thankful in a sense that the thoughts and concepts emanating

from Hindu concepts were present.

>

> So if that is true -- and this is just a musing and neither a challenge nor a

gospel that I wish to spread (as if I could even if I wanted! There is a long

waiting list in that queue as I see it!) -- then the horary chart must contain

the hints of deception or insincerity on the part of the individual who asked

the prashna.

>

> What is sad, though, is that the astrologer would first have to screen the

internet queries for deception and insincerity on the part of the questioning

individual (politics, psychopathology, plain insincerity - whatever the reason!)

before delving into the sacredness of astrological delineation!

>

> Can astrology be practiced and unfold in a setting that reminds one of a

coroner's work-place? Where deception must be guarded against -- NAY -- taken

for granted!

>

> How deplorable!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy

a wrote:

> >

> > Dear Narasimha Raoji,

> >

> > Though it may sound funny I wish to ask a question in view of some

astrologers like AKK saying that they had not succeeded in making predictions

correctly. My question is :- Should the astrologer also not ask a question about

himself as to whether his prediction will come correct or not ? I mean should

astrologer himself not prepare next a prasna chart for his own prasna and see

that chart alongwith the two charts of the native. There may be changes in the

two prasna charts due to the time-interval between the two prasnas.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> >

> >

> >

> > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@>

> > Re: Re: Free Will and Destiny reading from chart

> > sohamsa@ .com, vedic astrology,

 

> > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 1:23 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Namaste Sanjay P,

> >

> > I agree with this view.

> >

> > While natal chart, its dasas and transits are giving valuable insight based

only on karmas done until birth, prasna chart includes karmas in this life also,

done until the prasna. It is based on the " upto-date destiny " .

> >

> > Though several people often see charts without a prasna chart accompanying

the natal chart, many old astrologers are strict. They see a chart only when the

native or somebody close to him approaches then with a specific question and

they make a prasna chart in addition to the natal chart.

> >

> > Thanks for the quotes!

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

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> > sohamsa@ .com, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > >

> > > Dear Jyotishas,

> > > I was try to get some reference from any classical texts to find how much

> > > karma the person has gathered thru free will in this birth versus the

> > > destined karma results from previous births.

> > > Prashna Marga Chapter One gives this details. It mentions that Natal

> > > horoscope at birth indicates all the karma done prior to birth. The

prashna

> > > chart cast at the time of prashna can be used to find the additional karma

> > > the person has accumulated since birth till that moment. I think the older

> > > the person gets more the chances of accumulating additional karma. A young

> > > child may not have accumulate much karma by free will whereas an older

> > > person could have underwent most the karma fruits indicated in the birth

> > > chart and also may have added additional karma. So as the person get older

I

> > > think it's very essential to cast the Prashna Chart. I am giving the

qoutes

> > > from Prashna marga Chapter one below.

> > >

> > > Warm Regards,

> > > Sanjay P

> > >

> > >

> > > Stanza 39.  The balance of good or bad Karma brought forward from

the

> > > previous birth is prarabdha, and it is the reading of this that goes under

> > > the name of Jataka or Astrology.

> > >

> > > Stanza 40.  One undergoes the consequences of one's previous Karma

from

> > > birth to death and this can be known from his horoscope. Then what is the

> > > use of Prasna?

> > >

> > > NOTES

> > >

> > > As the name of the book implies, Prasna Marga has primarily to do with

> > > Prasna or horary astrology, though, almost all the principles may be used

> > > with advantage in interpreting radical horoscopes. In stanza 40, the

author

> > > queries as to what use a Prasna chart could be put to when horoscopy can

> > > deal with all important events. He answers the question in the following

> > > stanzas: -

> > >

> > > Stanza 41.  Prasna reveals to us whether a man reaps the fruits of

his

> > > deeds in his previous birth or the fruits of his actions in this birth.

Here

> > > a question arises.

> > >

> > > Stanza 42.  How can we distinguish whether it is the result of our

previous

> > > Karma or present Karma that is yielding its result now?

> > >

> > > Stanza 43.  If the horoscope has bene6cial planetary patterns and

the

> > > Prasna chart malefic ones, then it is to be understood that the native is

> > > experiencing the fruits of evil Karma done in this birth. If vice versa,

> > > then also the native is experiencing the effects of good Karma done in

this

> > > birth.

> > >

> > > Stanza 44.  If the planetary patterns in the horoscope as well as

in the

> > > Prasna chart are similar, then a clever astrologer should divine that the

> > > native is experiencing the fruits of his past Karma only.

> > >

> > > NOTES

> > >

> > > In stanzas 41 to 44, the author explains the relative utilities of the

> > > Prasna and the birth charts. There is repeated emphasis on the influences

of

> > > Karma and the importance of Prasna in finding out the nature of Karma to

be

> > > enjoyed in this birth. The horoscope by itself reveals the nature of past

> > > Karma and the Prasna chart acts as some sort of a supplement to the birth

> > > chart. Suppose we see in a man's horoscope a good period and in a query of

> > > his (Prasna chart) a very bad time, then we have to assume that the person

> > > is reaping the bad effects of his Karma done in this life. Suppose we see

in

> > > his horoscope a bad period and in his Prasna chart a good period, it is to

> > > be inferred that the person is reaping the favourable effects of good

deeds

> > > done in this birth only. If the horoscope and Prasna are similar in

> > > positions and combinations, then the person is reaping the result of Karma

> > > done in his previous birth. Since some sort of a balancing of the birth

and

> > > Prasna charts is involved, it is clear that the current indications in the

> > > birth chart, i.e., the indications obtaining at the time of a query

 the

> > > benefic and malefic dispositions of current Dasa lords, Yogakarakas, etc.,

> > > have to be studied along with the Prasna chart to know the nature of Karma

> > > now being experienced.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > *SIMILARITY BETWEEN PRASNA AND JATAKA*

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Stanza 45.  The Prasna chart should be read just as the horoscope

is

> > > examined with reference to its relative merits and demerits.

> > >

> > > Stanza 46.  A person goes to an astrologer prompted by Providence

to know

> > > his future.

> > >

> > > Therefore there is a close similarity between Prasna and Jataka.

> > >

> > > Stanza 47.  As Prasna Lagna is similar to Janma Lagna, all events

should be

> > > read from Prasna as you would do in a horoscope.

> > >

> > > NOTES

> > >

> > > The sum and substance of these three stanzas is that the time of question

> > > (Prasna) should be given the same importance as the time of birth. Human

> > > births are regulated according to the law of Karma and hence the time of

> > > birth is significant. Similarly a person proceeds to an astrologer to

> > > ascertain his future prompted by a Divine force and hence the time of

> > > question is equally important. There are no doubt certain points of

> > > difference in reading Prasna charts and horoscopes. They are discussed by

> > > the author in their proper places. But unless otherwise implied, all

events

> > > revealed in a horoscope can also be read from a Prasna chart. The

principles

> > > given in this book may be used with advantage in studying horoscopes.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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