Guest guest Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Dear Friends, 1....in 4 step theory the chain is completed in DBA only but to find more closer period sokshma is considered. -sunil gondhalekar (Msg#16552) 2. So Dr. Sheetal ji's taking or saying to take Sookshma to get the chain complete is not 4 Step. 3. The commonly used SWs are nothing wrong for the Sookshma. As demonstrated in Msg#16101, 16006, 4218 & 3477, they all give the same subs, except in the rare border line position of a planet or cusp. The accuracy of Sookshma is not ralated to the cuspal sub position but natal Moon position, which has been gnerally found to be different in the SWs around 30 sec on avearage only. That difference will make a shift in timing of each level of DBAS by 1.35 days for Sun dasa balance at birth, 2.25 days for Moon, ...., 4.275 days for Saturn and 4.5 days for Venus dasa balance at birth. Regards, tw , Sheetal <ratnamalag wrote: > > Sujatkaram's 2nd querry correctly by Dr Sheetal > ratnamalag > > > Dear Twji > > *I am trying to answer ur query as per my views and knowledge. I know > many Astrogers may have objection/querries on this but I am writing what I > concluded after reading kp books and I may be wrong but these r my views.* > > We should always see DBASP wheather its general kp or kp 4step, to fix the > period. Majority of the signifying houses should be covered in all dasha > periods to fructify the incidence. All DBASP should signify /tally those > houses required for perticular querry, if we do minute study. *But this will > be correct only if we have a perfect software*. Because Sukshma dasha( > S.D.) and > Pran dasha(P.D.) are of few days to few hrs we cant rely on the SW so we > consider dasahs till DBA. BUT scientifically not only S.D but also > P.Dshould also match or work in the chain( this is my understanding). > > In *KP 4 STEP,* after DBA(SP) we r supposed to conclude finally by transit > of these DBA(SP) lords and fix the day by moon transit through star, and > hour/exact time by lagna transit through star and sub and all (*ALL)* these > should match with the strong significators signifying perticular querry ie > *making chain of the strong significators(not only DBA (but their > transit and Moon and lagna transit too)*. But as we r short of sources like > perfect software so we can be wrong in minute calcuations. (I feel this > should be the main reason of Mr Gondhalekar in considering only broad dashas > like DBA and transit of them.When u r publishing book, u have to write > with study of atleast 100 cases and he and 4step lovers are still doing > study to have lot of cases) > > But if u do the retrospective study u will get what I wrote above and if u > dont get all fructifying significators making chain with one or more > significators then it means that software is not very correct. This is kp > and not only 4step what I understood after reading kp is this only.I used > to see Sukhsma D.before starting use of kp 4step. > > *Now I am explaining how I concluded for the child's foreign journey with > S.D. **in** Dec 1st half.* > > Strong planets=SUN,MOON,MARS,GURU,SHANI,RAHU. > SHANI & SHUKRA= IN RAPT CONJUNTION ( 1.13 degree) > SUN & BUDH =IN RAPT CONJUNCTION (1.18 degree) > > 1st sub Shani signifies strongly 1 and 9 > 12th Sub=Guru,Guru also is 9th sub.It signifies 9,12 and 7 houses strongly. > Child will go to foreign. 7th house shows break journey. > > *WHEN:* > > Wants to go in Nov 07 > > Dashas running in Nov 07 are= > Ketu Maha: Surya Bhukti: > and Vidashas left are= > Chandra,Mangal and Rahu,in Nov and Guru vidasha in Dec1st half. > > Maha Ketu=7,9. > Bhukti Surya =9,7. > > *We need Vidasha signfying 3 and 12 hosues strongly*. > Vidashas in Nov/Dec=Moon,Mars, Rahuin Nov andGuru in Dec 07 > They signify as follows= > Moon=7,9 > Mars=3,7,9 > Rahu=7,9 > Guru=7,9,12 > > *Mars and Guru are strong* as Vidasha so what to select. > Guru is the 12 sub and 9th sublord and its strong as no planets in its star > and as we read in cuspal sublord speaks (though its not in 4 steps that > strong cuspal sublord is a strong significator of that perticular house, it > gave some clue to me) I wanted to select GURU (for 9 & 12) Vidasha and Mars( > for3)Sukhsma to complete the chain. > > But if we take Mars, it signfies 3,9,7 and still 12 house is lacking in > chain and if we take Guru then 7,9,12 here 3rd house is lacking. > > *Now what to do.* > I wrote on 12th Feb 07 in my reply that I found many times in birth charts > when we see retrospectively, chain is not complete with DBA and I have few > charts like that so I did retrospective study and I found that the chain was > completed with sukshma dasha in those conditions so I started making chain > with DBAS for all querries. Sometimes we find chain is completed in Maha > Dasha only still we have to see bhukti and Antara with signifying houses for > final conclusion, Like that even if chain completed with DBA we should see > for Sukshma to have more accuracy and if the chain is not complete with DBA > then according to me there is no choice and u have to include S.D. I > specifically see S.D. > > 1.where Vidasha is big (4-5 mon)and > 2. when chain is not getting completed with DBA. > > In this case= > 1st group=Ketu--Sun--Mar--Guru competes the chain 3-9-12-7-5 > 2nd group=Ketu--Sun--Guru--Mars complete the chain 3-9-12-7-5( now a days it > is mentioned that 7 and 5 to be included) > > Thats why I gave 2 periods and matched transit for 2wks as sukshma dasha I > have always seen SD differ in different SW. Though I concluded in my > calculations a period of few days but didnt give in my analysis and > mentioned the period as 1st half of Nov and 1st half of Dec (and I alone > take the pleasure of predicting perfect day or exact wk and I dont announce > it.) I prefered 1st half of Dec because of Guru being the sublord for above > mentioned reasons.If u go thruough, u will see that it is a period of less > than 1wk thought I wrote 2wks. > > Whatever rules are given we have to give little turn to it without changing > its primary meaning. Nothing is established yet as 100% and all r doing > research here so we have to search it for ourselves. The person who > introduced any theory has some specific thing in his mind which everybody > dosn't know so if we take his opinion, it will benifit us only. Mr > Gondhalekar is so modest person and helpfull to everybody. I always get > time to time help from him whenever I need. He wrote the basic rules for > 4steps and I think we all can study 4steps and add to it with proofs (of 100 > cases) with his guidence, I don't think he will have any objection. > > I close this with Sadar Pranam to Mr Gondhalekar Sir. > > Mr Twji I exactly think as u think and had same querries in my mind so I can > understand why u want to know all this in details.I asked all these > querries whatever u had re 4step to Mr Gondhalekar in work shops and he > replied all my querries very calmly. Because I am very much interested > in exact and minute results so I try SD in each and every case. The > difference is if we r face to face, question-answer session is finished in > few sentenses and when u r writting some explanation u have to write a big > essay which time consuming and very much boring. > > I have few softwares, they shows different subs for one planet (!!!).What to > do in such cases? I can understand cuspal sub changing with different > SW, then how can u believe the exactness of Sukshma dasha? > > Now also if u feel to ask some querry u can ask I will try to reply in my > ways. > > Regards > > Dr Sheetal > > > > msg#14905 > > Respected Dr. Sheetal, > Thank you for your near-accurate analysis and congrats.You have > widened the scope of your prediction and rightly included December > 07 as possible period for foreign travel.The father is realising > difficulties in getting his leave sanctioned and so some delay is > possible. > with regards, > sujatkaram. , Sheetal > <ratnamalag@> wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 dear tw ji, dr.sheetal has explained correctly in her message. and i thanks for her for expressing my views before forum. -sunil gondhalekar On 2/28/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Friends,1....in 4 step theory the chain is completed in DBA onlybut to find more closer period sokshma is considered.-sunil gondhalekar (Msg#16552)2. So Dr. Sheetal ji's taking or saying to take Sookshma to get the chain complete is not 4 Step.3. The commonly used SWs are nothing wrong for the Sookshma. As demonstrated in Msg#16101, 16006, 4218 & 3477, they all give the same subs, except in the rare border line position of a planet or cusp. The accuracy of Sookshma is not ralated to the cuspal sub position but natal Moon position, which has been gnerally found to be different in the SWs around 30 sec on avearage only. That difference will make a shift in timing of each level of DBAS by 1.35 days for Sun dasa balance at birth, 2.25 days for Moon, ...., 4.275 days for Saturn and 4.5 days for Venus dasa balance at birth.Regards,tw , Sheetal <ratnamalag wrote: >> Sujatkaram's 2nd querry correctly by Dr Sheetal> ratnamalag > > Dear Twji> > *I am trying to answer ur query as per my views and knowledge. I know> many Astrogers may have objection/querries on this but I am writing what I> concluded after reading kp books and I may be wrong but these r my views.*> > We should always see DBASP wheather its general kp or kp 4step, to fix the> period. Majority of the signifying houses should be covered in all dasha> periods to fructify the incidence. All DBASP should signify /tally those> houses required for perticular querry, if we do minute study. *But this will> be correct only if we have a perfect software*. Because Sukshma dasha(> S.D.) and> Pran dasha(P.D.) are of few days to few hrs we cant rely on the SW so we> consider dasahs till DBA. BUT scientifically not only S.D but also > P.Dshould also match or work in the chain( this is my understanding).> > In *KP 4 STEP,* after DBA(SP) we r supposed to conclude finally by transit> of these DBA(SP) lords and fix the day by moon transit through star, and> hour/exact time by lagna transit through star and sub and all (*ALL)* these> should match with the strong significators signifying perticular querry ie> *making chain of the strong significators(not only DBA (but their > transit and Moon and lagna transit too)*. But as we r short of sources like> perfect software so we can be wrong in minute calcuations. (I feel this> should be the main reason of Mr Gondhalekar in considering only broad dashas> like DBA and transit of them.When u r publishing book, u have to write> with study of atleast 100 cases and he and 4step lovers are still doing> study to have lot of cases)> > But if u do the retrospective study u will get what I wrote above and if u> dont get all fructifying significators making chain with one or more> significators then it means that software is not very correct. This is kp> and not only 4step what I understood after reading kp is this only.I used> to see Sukhsma D.before starting use of kp 4step.> > *Now I am explaining how I concluded for the child's foreign journey with> S.D. **in** Dec 1st half.*> > Strong planets=SUN,MOON,MARS,GURU,SHANI,RAHU.> SHANI & SHUKRA= IN RAPT CONJUNTION ( 1.13 degree)> SUN & BUDH =IN RAPT CONJUNCTION (1.18 degree) > > 1st sub Shani signifies strongly 1 and 9> 12th Sub=Guru,Guru also is 9th sub.It signifies 9,12 and 7 houses strongly.> Child will go to foreign. 7th house shows break journey.> > *WHEN:* > > Wants to go in Nov 07> > Dashas running in Nov 07 are=> Ketu Maha: Surya Bhukti:> and Vidashas left are=> Chandra,Mangal and Rahu,in Nov and Guru vidasha in Dec1st half. > > Maha Ketu=7,9.> Bhukti Surya =9,7.> > *We need Vidasha signfying 3 and 12 hosues strongly*.> Vidashas in Nov/Dec=Moon,Mars, Rahuin Nov andGuru in Dec 07> They signify as follows= > Moon=7,9> Mars=3,7,9> Rahu=7,9> Guru=7,9,12> > *Mars and Guru are strong* as Vidasha so what to select.> Guru is the 12 sub and 9th sublord and its strong as no planets in its star> and as we read in cuspal sublord speaks (though its not in 4 steps that> strong cuspal sublord is a strong significator of that perticular house, it> gave some clue to me) I wanted to select GURU (for 9 & 12) Vidasha and Mars(> for3)Sukhsma to complete the chain.> > But if we take Mars, it signfies 3,9,7 and still 12 house is lacking in> chain and if we take Guru then 7,9,12 here 3rd house is lacking. > > *Now what to do.*> I wrote on 12th Feb 07 in my reply that I found many times in birth charts> when we see retrospectively, chain is not complete with DBA and I have few> charts like that so I did retrospective study and I found that the chain was> completed with sukshma dasha in those conditions so I started making chain> with DBAS for all querries. Sometimes we find chain is completed in Maha> Dasha only still we have to see bhukti and Antara with signifying houses for> final conclusion, Like that even if chain completed with DBA we should see> for Sukshma to have more accuracy and if the chain is not complete with DBA> then according to me there is no choice and u have to include S.D. I> specifically see S.D.> > 1.where Vidasha is big (4-5 mon)and> 2. when chain is not getting completed with DBA.> > In this case=> 1st group=Ketu--Sun--Mar--Guru competes the chain 3-9-12-7-5 > 2nd group=Ketu--Sun--Guru--Mars complete the chain 3-9-12-7-5( now a days it> is mentioned that 7 and 5 to be included)> > Thats why I gave 2 periods and matched transit for 2wks as sukshma dasha I > have always seen SD differ in different SW. Though I concluded in my> calculations a period of few days but didnt give in my analysis and> mentioned the period as 1st half of Nov and 1st half of Dec (and I alone> take the pleasure of predicting perfect day or exact wk and I dont announce> it.) I prefered 1st half of Dec because of Guru being the sublord for above> mentioned reasons.If u go thruough, u will see that it is a period of less> than 1wk thought I wrote 2wks.> > Whatever rules are given we have to give little turn to it without changing> its primary meaning. Nothing is established yet as 100% and all r doing> research here so we have to search it for ourselves. The person who> introduced any theory has some specific thing in his mind which everybody> dosn't know so if we take his opinion, it will benifit us only. Mr > Gondhalekar is so modest person and helpfull to everybody. I always get> time to time help from him whenever I need. He wrote the basic rules for> 4steps and I think we all can study 4steps and add to it with proofs (of 100> cases) with his guidence, I don't think he will have any objection.> > I close this with Sadar Pranam to Mr Gondhalekar Sir.> > Mr Twji I exactly think as u think and had same querries in my mind so I can> understand why u want to know all this in details.I asked all these> querries whatever u had re 4step to Mr Gondhalekar in work shops and he> replied all my querries very calmly. Because I am very much interested> in exact and minute results so I try SD in each and every case. The> difference is if we r face to face, question-answer session is finished in> few sentenses and when u r writting some explanation u have to write a big> essay which time consuming and very much boring.> > I have few softwares, they shows different subs for one planet(!!!).What to> do in such cases? I can understand cuspal sub changing with different> SW, then how can u believe the exactness of Sukshma dasha?> > Now also if u feel to ask some querry u can ask I will try to reply in my> ways.> > Regards> > Dr Sheetal> > > > msg#14905> > Respected Dr. Sheetal,> Thank you for your near-accurate analysis and congrats.You have> widened the scope of your prediction and rightly included December > 07 as possible period for foreign travel.The father is realising> difficulties in getting his leave sanctioned and so some delay is> possible.> with regards,> sujatkaram. , Sheetal > <ratnamalag@> wrote:> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Dear sunil gondhalekar ji, 1. It means > > 1....in 4 step theory the chain is completed in DBA only > > but to find more closer period sokshma is considered. > > -sunil gondhalekar (Msg#16552) is no more correct. 2. The `main essence' or `advancement' of 4 step in fixing the timing is now to find the DBAS in making the chain complete not only DBA as you've set or explained by Shri Raichur or 4 step note. 3. Now it is to follow what Dr. Sheetal ji has said in choosing DBAS. Regards, tw , " sunil gondhalekar " <sunilalaka wrote: > > dear tw ji, > dr.sheetal has explained correctly in her message. > and i thanks for her for expressing my views before forum. > -sunil gondhalekar > > > On 2/28/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > 1....in 4 step theory the chain is completed in DBA only > > but to find more closer period sokshma is considered. > > -sunil gondhalekar (Msg#16552) > > > > 2. So Dr. Sheetal ji's taking or saying to take Sookshma to get the > > chain complete is not 4 Step. > > > > 3. The commonly used SWs are nothing wrong for the Sookshma. As > > demonstrated in Msg#16101, 16006, 4218 & 3477, they all give the > > same subs, except in the rare border line position of a planet or > > cusp. The accuracy of Sookshma is not ralated to the cuspal sub > > position but natal Moon position, which has been gnerally found to > > be different in the SWs around 30 sec on avearage only. That > > difference will make a shift in timing of each level of DBAS by 1.35 > > days for Sun dasa balance at birth, 2.25 days for Moon, ...., 4.275 > > days for Saturn and 4.5 days for Venus dasa balance at birth. > > > > Regards, > > tw > > > > > > <% 40>, Sheetal > > <ratnamalag@> wrote: > > > > > > Sujatkaram's 2nd querry correctly by Dr Sheetal > > > ratnamalag@ > > > > > > > > > Dear Twji > > > > > > *I am trying to answer ur query as per my views and knowledge. I > > know > > > many Astrogers may have objection/querries on this but I am > > writing what I > > > concluded after reading kp books and I may be wrong but these r my > > views.* > > > > > > We should always see DBASP wheather its general kp or kp 4step, to > > fix the > > > period. Majority of the signifying houses should be covered in all > > dasha > > > periods to fructify the incidence. All DBASP should signify /tally > > those > > > houses required for perticular querry, if we do minute study. *But > > this will > > > be correct only if we have a perfect software*. Because Sukshma > > dasha( > > > S.D.) and > > > Pran dasha(P.D.) are of few days to few hrs we cant rely on the SW > > so we > > > consider dasahs till DBA. BUT scientifically not only S.D but also > > > P.Dshould also match or work in the chain( this is my > > understanding). > > > > > > In *KP 4 STEP,* after DBA(SP) we r supposed to conclude finally > > by transit > > > of these DBA(SP) lords and fix the day by moon transit through > > star, and > > > hour/exact time by lagna transit through star and sub and all > > (*ALL)* these > > > should match with the strong significators signifying perticular > > querry ie > > > *making chain of the strong significators(not only DBA (but their > > > transit and Moon and lagna transit too)*. But as we r short of > > sources like > > > perfect software so we can be wrong in minute calcuations. (I feel > > this > > > should be the main reason of Mr Gondhalekar in considering only > > broad dashas > > > like DBA and transit of them.When u r publishing book, u have to > > write > > > with study of atleast 100 cases and he and 4step lovers are still > > doing > > > study to have lot of cases) > > > > > > But if u do the retrospective study u will get what I wrote above > > and if u > > > dont get all fructifying significators making chain with one or > > more > > > significators then it means that software is not very correct. > > This is kp > > > and not only 4step what I understood after reading kp is this > > only.I used > > > to see Sukhsma D.before starting use of kp 4step. > > > > > > *Now I am explaining how I concluded for the child's foreign > > journey with > > > S.D. **in** Dec 1st half.* > > > > > > Strong planets=SUN,MOON,MARS,GURU,SHANI,RAHU. > > > SHANI & SHUKRA= IN RAPT CONJUNTION ( 1.13 degree) > > > SUN & BUDH =IN RAPT CONJUNCTION (1.18 degree) > > > > > > 1st sub Shani signifies strongly 1 and 9 > > > 12th Sub=Guru,Guru also is 9th sub.It signifies 9,12 and 7 houses > > strongly. > > > Child will go to foreign. 7th house shows break journey. > > > > > > *WHEN:* > > > > > > Wants to go in Nov 07 > > > > > > Dashas running in Nov 07 are= > > > Ketu Maha: Surya Bhukti: > > > and Vidashas left are= > > > Chandra,Mangal and Rahu,in Nov and Guru vidasha in Dec1st half. > > > > > > Maha Ketu=7,9. > > > Bhukti Surya =9,7. > > > > > > *We need Vidasha signfying 3 and 12 hosues strongly*. > > > Vidashas in Nov/Dec=Moon,Mars, Rahuin Nov andGuru in Dec 07 > > > They signify as follows= > > > Moon=7,9 > > > Mars=3,7,9 > > > Rahu=7,9 > > > Guru=7,9,12 > > > > > > *Mars and Guru are strong* as Vidasha so what to select. > > > Guru is the 12 sub and 9th sublord and its strong as no planets in > > its star > > > and as we read in cuspal sublord speaks (though its not in 4 steps > > that > > > strong cuspal sublord is a strong significator of that perticular > > house, it > > > gave some clue to me) I wanted to select GURU (for 9 & 12) Vidasha > > and Mars( > > > for3)Sukhsma to complete the chain. > > > > > > But if we take Mars, it signfies 3,9,7 and still 12 house is > > lacking in > > > chain and if we take Guru then 7,9,12 here 3rd house is lacking. > > > > > > *Now what to do.* > > > I wrote on 12th Feb 07 in my reply that I found many times in > > birth charts > > > when we see retrospectively, chain is not complete with DBA and I > > have few > > > charts like that so I did retrospective study and I found that the > > chain was > > > completed with sukshma dasha in those conditions so I started > > making chain > > > with DBAS for all querries. Sometimes we find chain is completed > > in Maha > > > Dasha only still we have to see bhukti and Antara with signifying > > houses for > > > final conclusion, Like that even if chain completed with DBA we > > should see > > > for Sukshma to have more accuracy and if the chain is not complete > > with DBA > > > then according to me there is no choice and u have to include S.D. > > I > > > specifically see S.D. > > > > > > 1.where Vidasha is big (4-5 mon)and > > > 2. when chain is not getting completed with DBA. > > > > > > In this case= > > > 1st group=Ketu--Sun--Mar--Guru competes the chain 3-9-12-7-5 > > > 2nd group=Ketu--Sun--Guru--Mars complete the chain 3-9-12-7-5( now > > a days it > > > is mentioned that 7 and 5 to be included) > > > > > > Thats why I gave 2 periods and matched transit for 2wks as > > sukshma dasha I > > > have always seen SD differ in different SW. Though I concluded in > > my > > > calculations a period of few days but didnt give in my analysis and > > > mentioned the period as 1st half of Nov and 1st half of Dec (and I > > alone > > > take the pleasure of predicting perfect day or exact wk and I dont > > announce > > > it.) I prefered 1st half of Dec because of Guru being the sublord > > for above > > > mentioned reasons.If u go thruough, u will see that it is a period > > of less > > > than 1wk thought I wrote 2wks. > > > > > > Whatever rules are given we have to give little turn to it without > > changing > > > its primary meaning. Nothing is established yet as 100% and all r > > doing > > > research here so we have to search it for ourselves. The person who > > > introduced any theory has some specific thing in his mind which > > everybody > > > dosn't know so if we take his opinion, it will benifit us only. Mr > > > Gondhalekar is so modest person and helpfull to everybody. I > > always get > > > time to time help from him whenever I need. He wrote the basic > > rules for > > > 4steps and I think we all can study 4steps and add to it with > > proofs (of 100 > > > cases) with his guidence, I don't think he will have any objection. > > > > > > I close this with Sadar Pranam to Mr Gondhalekar Sir. > > > > > > Mr Twji I exactly think as u think and had same querries in my > > mind so I can > > > understand why u want to know all this in details.I asked all > > these > > > querries whatever u had re 4step to Mr Gondhalekar in work shops > > and he > > > replied all my querries very calmly. Because I am very much > > interested > > > in exact and minute results so I try SD in each and every case. The > > > difference is if we r face to face, question-answer session is > > finished in > > > few sentenses and when u r writting some explanation u have to > > write a big > > > essay which time consuming and very much boring. > > > > > > I have few softwares, they shows different subs for one planet > > (!!!).What to > > > do in such cases? I can understand cuspal sub changing with > > different > > > SW, then how can u believe the exactness of Sukshma dasha? > > > > > > Now also if u feel to ask some querry u can ask I will try to > > reply in my > > > ways. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > > > > > > > > > msg#14905 > > > > > > Respected Dr. Sheetal, > > > Thank you for your near-accurate analysis and congrats.You have > > > widened the scope of your prediction and rightly included December > > > 07 as possible period for foreign travel.The father is realising > > > difficulties in getting his leave sanctioned and so some delay is > > > possible. > > > with regards, > > > sujatkaram. <% 40>, > > Sheetal > > > <ratnamalag@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 dear tw ji, it is better you follow all. -sunil gondhalekar On 2/28/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear sunil gondhalekar ji,1. It means> > 1....in 4 step theory the chain is completed in DBA only> > but to find more closer period sokshma is considered.> > -sunil gondhalekar (Msg#16552) is no more correct.2. The `main essence' or `advancement' of 4 step in fixing the timing is now to find the DBAS in making the chain complete not only DBA as you've set or explained by Shri Raichur or 4 step note. 3. Now it is to follow what Dr. Sheetal ji has said in choosing DBAS.Regards,tw , " sunil gondhalekar " <sunilalaka wrote:>> dear tw ji,> dr.sheetal has explained correctly in her message.> and i thanks for her for expressing my views before forum.> -sunil gondhalekar > > > On 2/28/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:> >> > Dear Friends,> >> > 1....in 4 step theory the chain is completed in DBA only> > but to find more closer period sokshma is considered. > > -sunil gondhalekar (Msg#16552)> >> > 2. So Dr. Sheetal ji's taking or saying to take Sookshma to get the> > chain complete is not 4 Step.> >> > 3. The commonly used SWs are nothing wrong for the Sookshma. As > > demonstrated in Msg#16101, 16006, 4218 & 3477, they all give the> > same subs, except in the rare border line position of a planet or> > cusp. The accuracy of Sookshma is not ralated to the cuspal sub > > position but natal Moon position, which has been gnerally found to> > be different in the SWs around 30 sec on avearage only. That> > difference will make a shift in timing of each level of DBAS by 1.35> > days for Sun dasa balance at birth, 2.25 days for Moon, ...., 4.275> > days for Saturn and 4.5 days for Venus dasa balance at birth.> >> > Regards,> > tw> > > >> > <%40>, Sheetal > > <ratnamalag@> wrote:> > >> > > Sujatkaram's 2nd querry correctly by Dr Sheetal> > > ratnamalag@ > > >> > >> > > Dear Twji> > >> > > *I am trying to answer ur query as per my views and knowledge. I> > know> > > many Astrogers may have objection/querries on this but I am > > writing what I> > > concluded after reading kp books and I may be wrong but these r my> > views.*> > >> > > We should always see DBASP wheather its general kp or kp 4step, to> > fix the> > > period. Majority of the signifying houses should be covered in all> > dasha> > > periods to fructify the incidence. All DBASP should signify /tally > > those> > > houses required for perticular querry, if we do minute study. *But> > this will> > > be correct only if we have a perfect software*. Because Sukshma> > dasha( > > > S.D.) and> > > Pran dasha(P.D.) are of few days to few hrs we cant rely on the SW> > so we> > > consider dasahs till DBA. BUT scientifically not only S.D but also > > > P.Dshould also match or work in the chain( this is my> > understanding).> > >> > > In *KP 4 STEP,* after DBA(SP) we r supposed to conclude finally> > by transit > > > of these DBA(SP) lords and fix the day by moon transit through> > star, and> > > hour/exact time by lagna transit through star and sub and all> > (*ALL)* these> > > should match with the strong significators signifying perticular> > querry ie> > > *making chain of the strong significators(not only DBA (but their> > > transit and Moon and lagna transit too)*. But as we r short of> > sources like > > > perfect software so we can be wrong in minute calcuations. (I feel> > this> > > should be the main reason of Mr Gondhalekar in considering only> > broad dashas> > > like DBA and transit of them.When u r publishing book, u have to> > write> > > with study of atleast 100 cases and he and 4step lovers are still> > doing> > > study to have lot of cases)> > >> > > But if u do the retrospective study u will get what I wrote above> > and if u> > > dont get all fructifying significators making chain with one or> > more> > > significators then it means that software is not very correct.> > This is kp > > > and not only 4step what I understood after reading kp is this> > only.I used> > > to see Sukhsma D.before starting use of kp 4step.> > >> > > *Now I am explaining how I concluded for the child's foreign > > journey with> > > S.D. **in** Dec 1st half.*> > >> > > Strong planets=SUN,MOON,MARS,GURU,SHANI,RAHU.> > > SHANI & SHUKRA= IN RAPT CONJUNTION ( 1.13 degree) > > > SUN & BUDH =IN RAPT CONJUNCTION (1.18 degree)> > >> > > 1st sub Shani signifies strongly 1 and 9> > > 12th Sub=Guru,Guru also is 9th sub.It signifies 9,12 and 7 houses> > strongly.> > > Child will go to foreign. 7th house shows break journey.> > >> > > *WHEN:*> > >> > > Wants to go in Nov 07> > > > > > Dashas running in Nov 07 are=> > > Ketu Maha: Surya Bhukti:> > > and Vidashas left are=> > > Chandra,Mangal and Rahu,in Nov and Guru vidasha in Dec1st half.> > > > > > Maha Ketu=7,9.> > > Bhukti Surya =9,7.> > >> > > *We need Vidasha signfying 3 and 12 hosues strongly*.> > > Vidashas in Nov/Dec=Moon,Mars, Rahuin Nov andGuru in Dec 07 > > > They signify as follows=> > > Moon=7,9> > > Mars=3,7,9> > > Rahu=7,9> > > Guru=7,9,12> > >> > > *Mars and Guru are strong* as Vidasha so what to select. > > > Guru is the 12 sub and 9th sublord and its strong as no planets in> > its star> > > and as we read in cuspal sublord speaks (though its not in 4 steps> > that> > > strong cuspal sublord is a strong significator of that perticular> > house, it> > > gave some clue to me) I wanted to select GURU (for 9 & 12) Vidasha> > and Mars(> > > for3)Sukhsma to complete the chain.> > > > > > But if we take Mars, it signfies 3,9,7 and still 12 house is> > lacking in> > > chain and if we take Guru then 7,9,12 here 3rd house is lacking.> > >> > > *Now what to do.* > > > I wrote on 12th Feb 07 in my reply that I found many times in> > birth charts> > > when we see retrospectively, chain is not complete with DBA and I> > have few> > > charts like that so I did retrospective study and I found that the> > chain was> > > completed with sukshma dasha in those conditions so I started> > making chain> > > with DBAS for all querries. Sometimes we find chain is completed > > in Maha> > > Dasha only still we have to see bhukti and Antara with signifying> > houses for> > > final conclusion, Like that even if chain completed with DBA we> > should see > > > for Sukshma to have more accuracy and if the chain is not complete> > with DBA> > > then according to me there is no choice and u have to include S.D.> > I> > > specifically see S.D. > > >> > > 1.where Vidasha is big (4-5 mon)and> > > 2. when chain is not getting completed with DBA.> > >> > > In this case=> > > 1st group=Ketu--Sun--Mar--Guru competes the chain 3-9-12-7-5 > > > 2nd group=Ketu--Sun--Guru--Mars complete the chain 3-9-12-7-5( now> > a days it> > > is mentioned that 7 and 5 to be included)> > >> > > Thats why I gave 2 periods and matched transit for 2wks as > > sukshma dasha I> > > have always seen SD differ in different SW. Though I concluded in> > my> > > calculations a period of few days but didnt give in my analysis and > > > mentioned the period as 1st half of Nov and 1st half of Dec (and I> > alone> > > take the pleasure of predicting perfect day or exact wk and I dont> > announce> > > it.) I prefered 1st half of Dec because of Guru being the sublord> > for above> > > mentioned reasons.If u go thruough, u will see that it is a period> > of less> > > than 1wk thought I wrote 2wks.> > >> > > Whatever rules are given we have to give little turn to it without> > changing> > > its primary meaning. Nothing is established yet as 100% and all r> > doing> > > research here so we have to search it for ourselves. The person who > > > introduced any theory has some specific thing in his mind which> > everybody> > > dosn't know so if we take his opinion, it will benifit us only. Mr> > > Gondhalekar is so modest person and helpfull to everybody. I > > always get> > > time to time help from him whenever I need. He wrote the basic> > rules for> > > 4steps and I think we all can study 4steps and add to it with> > proofs (of 100 > > > cases) with his guidence, I don't think he will have any objection.> > >> > > I close this with Sadar Pranam to Mr Gondhalekar Sir.> > >> > > Mr Twji I exactly think as u think and had same querries in my > > mind so I can> > > understand why u want to know all this in details.I asked all> > these> > > querries whatever u had re 4step to Mr Gondhalekar in work shops> > and he > > > replied all my querries very calmly. Because I am very much> > interested> > > in exact and minute results so I try SD in each and every case. The> > > difference is if we r face to face, question-answer session is > > finished in> > > few sentenses and when u r writting some explanation u have to> > write a big> > > essay which time consuming and very much boring.> > >> > > I have few softwares, they shows different subs for one planet > > (!!!).What to> > > do in such cases? I can understand cuspal sub changing with> > different> > > SW, then how can u believe the exactness of Sukshma dasha?> > > > > > Now also if u feel to ask some querry u can ask I will try to> > reply in my> > > ways.> > >> > > Regards> > >> > > Dr Sheetal> > > > > >> > >> > > msg#14905> > >> > > Respected Dr. Sheetal,> > > Thank you for your near-accurate analysis and congrats.You have> > > widened the scope of your prediction and rightly included December> > > 07 as possible period for foreign travel.The father is realising> > > difficulties in getting his leave sanctioned and so some delay is> > > possible.> > > with regards, > > > sujatkaram. <%40>, > > Sheetal> > > <ratnamalag@> wrote:> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Dear sunil gondhalekar ji, I hope when you're sure the `main essence' or `advancement' of 4 step in fixing the timing without using RPS is to take the DBA only or DBAS in making the chain complete, you'll let know 4 step lovers. Thanks and regards, tw , " sunil gondhalekar " <sunilalaka wrote: > > dear tw ji, > it is better you follow all. > -sunil gondhalekar > > > On 2/28/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote: > > > > Dear sunil gondhalekar ji, > > > > 1. It means > > > > > > 1....in 4 step theory the chain is completed in DBA only > > > > but to find more closer period sokshma is considered. > > > > -sunil gondhalekar (Msg#16552) > > > > is no more correct. > > > > 2. The `main essence' or `advancement' of 4 step in fixing the > > timing is now to find the DBAS in making the chain complete not only > > DBA as you've set or explained by Shri Raichur or 4 step note. > > > > 3. Now it is to follow what Dr. Sheetal ji has said in choosing DBAS. > > > > Regards, > > > > tw > > > > <% 40>, " sunil > > gondhalekar " > > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > > > dear tw ji, > > > dr.sheetal has explained correctly in her message. > > > and i thanks for her for expressing my views before forum. > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > On 2/28/08, tw853 <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > 1....in 4 step theory the chain is completed in DBA only > > > > but to find more closer period sokshma is considered. > > > > -sunil gondhalekar (Msg#16552) > > > > > > > > 2. So Dr. Sheetal ji's taking or saying to take Sookshma to get > > the > > > > chain complete is not 4 Step. > > > > > > > > 3. The commonly used SWs are nothing wrong for the Sookshma. As > > > > demonstrated in Msg#16101, 16006, 4218 & 3477, they all give the > > > > same subs, except in the rare border line position of a planet or > > > > cusp. The accuracy of Sookshma is not ralated to the cuspal sub > > > > position but natal Moon position, which has been gnerally found > > to > > > > be different in the SWs around 30 sec on avearage only. That > > > > difference will make a shift in timing of each level of DBAS by > > 1.35 > > > > days for Sun dasa balance at birth, 2.25 days for Moon, ...., > > 4.275 > > > > days for Saturn and 4.5 days for Venus dasa balance at birth. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40><% > > 40>, Sheetal > > > > <ratnamalag@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sujatkaram's 2nd querry correctly by Dr Sheetal > > > > > ratnamalag@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Twji > > > > > > > > > > *I am trying to answer ur query as per my views and knowledge. > > I > > > > know > > > > > many Astrogers may have objection/querries on this but I am > > > > writing what I > > > > > concluded after reading kp books and I may be wrong but these > > r my > > > > views.* > > > > > > > > > > We should always see DBASP wheather its general kp or kp > > 4step, to > > > > fix the > > > > > period. Majority of the signifying houses should be covered in > > all > > > > dasha > > > > > periods to fructify the incidence. All DBASP should > > signify /tally > > > > those > > > > > houses required for perticular querry, if we do minute study. > > *But > > > > this will > > > > > be correct only if we have a perfect software*. Because Sukshma > > > > dasha( > > > > > S.D.) and > > > > > Pran dasha(P.D.) are of few days to few hrs we cant rely on > > the SW > > > > so we > > > > > consider dasahs till DBA. BUT scientifically not only S.D but > > also > > > > > P.Dshould also match or work in the chain( this is my > > > > understanding). > > > > > > > > > > In *KP 4 STEP,* after DBA(SP) we r supposed to conclude finally > > > > by transit > > > > > of these DBA(SP) lords and fix the day by moon transit through > > > > star, and > > > > > hour/exact time by lagna transit through star and sub and all > > > > (*ALL)* these > > > > > should match with the strong significators signifying > > perticular > > > > querry ie > > > > > *making chain of the strong significators(not only DBA (but > > their > > > > > transit and Moon and lagna transit too)*. But as we r short of > > > > sources like > > > > > perfect software so we can be wrong in minute calcuations. (I > > feel > > > > this > > > > > should be the main reason of Mr Gondhalekar in considering only > > > > broad dashas > > > > > like DBA and transit of them.When u r publishing book, u have > > to > > > > write > > > > > with study of atleast 100 cases and he and 4step lovers are > > still > > > > doing > > > > > study to have lot of cases) > > > > > > > > > > But if u do the retrospective study u will get what I wrote > > above > > > > and if u > > > > > dont get all fructifying significators making chain with one or > > > > more > > > > > significators then it means that software is not very correct. > > > > This is kp > > > > > and not only 4step what I understood after reading kp is this > > > > only.I used > > > > > to see Sukhsma D.before starting use of kp 4step. > > > > > > > > > > *Now I am explaining how I concluded for the child's foreign > > > > journey with > > > > > S.D. **in** Dec 1st half.* > > > > > > > > > > Strong planets=SUN,MOON,MARS,GURU,SHANI,RAHU. > > > > > SHANI & SHUKRA= IN RAPT CONJUNTION ( 1.13 degree) > > > > > SUN & BUDH =IN RAPT CONJUNCTION (1.18 degree) > > > > > > > > > > 1st sub Shani signifies strongly 1 and 9 > > > > > 12th Sub=Guru,Guru also is 9th sub.It signifies 9,12 and 7 > > houses > > > > strongly. > > > > > Child will go to foreign. 7th house shows break journey. > > > > > > > > > > *WHEN:* > > > > > > > > > > Wants to go in Nov 07 > > > > > > > > > > Dashas running in Nov 07 are= > > > > > Ketu Maha: Surya Bhukti: > > > > > and Vidashas left are= > > > > > Chandra,Mangal and Rahu,in Nov and Guru vidasha in Dec1st half. > > > > > > > > > > Maha Ketu=7,9. > > > > > Bhukti Surya =9,7. > > > > > > > > > > *We need Vidasha signfying 3 and 12 hosues strongly*. > > > > > Vidashas in Nov/Dec=Moon,Mars, Rahuin Nov andGuru in Dec 07 > > > > > They signify as follows= > > > > > Moon=7,9 > > > > > Mars=3,7,9 > > > > > Rahu=7,9 > > > > > Guru=7,9,12 > > > > > > > > > > *Mars and Guru are strong* as Vidasha so what to select. > > > > > Guru is the 12 sub and 9th sublord and its strong as no > > planets in > > > > its star > > > > > and as we read in cuspal sublord speaks (though its not in 4 > > steps > > > > that > > > > > strong cuspal sublord is a strong significator of that > > perticular > > > > house, it > > > > > gave some clue to me) I wanted to select GURU (for 9 & 12) > > Vidasha > > > > and Mars( > > > > > for3)Sukhsma to complete the chain. > > > > > > > > > > But if we take Mars, it signfies 3,9,7 and still 12 house is > > > > lacking in > > > > > chain and if we take Guru then 7,9,12 here 3rd house is > > lacking. > > > > > > > > > > *Now what to do.* > > > > > I wrote on 12th Feb 07 in my reply that I found many times in > > > > birth charts > > > > > when we see retrospectively, chain is not complete with DBA > > and I > > > > have few > > > > > charts like that so I did retrospective study and I found that > > the > > > > chain was > > > > > completed with sukshma dasha in those conditions so I started > > > > making chain > > > > > with DBAS for all querries. Sometimes we find chain is > > completed > > > > in Maha > > > > > Dasha only still we have to see bhukti and Antara with > > signifying > > > > houses for > > > > > final conclusion, Like that even if chain completed with DBA we > > > > should see > > > > > for Sukshma to have more accuracy and if the chain is not > > complete > > > > with DBA > > > > > then according to me there is no choice and u have to include > > S.D. > > > > I > > > > > specifically see S.D. > > > > > > > > > > 1.where Vidasha is big (4-5 mon)and > > > > > 2. when chain is not getting completed with DBA. > > > > > > > > > > In this case= > > > > > 1st group=Ketu--Sun--Mar--Guru competes the chain 3-9-12-7- 5 > > > > > 2nd group=Ketu--Sun--Guru--Mars complete the chain 3-9-12- 7-5( > > now > > > > a days it > > > > > is mentioned that 7 and 5 to be included) > > > > > > > > > > Thats why I gave 2 periods and matched transit for 2wks as > > > > sukshma dasha I > > > > > have always seen SD differ in different SW. Though I concluded > > in > > > > my > > > > > calculations a period of few days but didnt give in my > > analysis and > > > > > mentioned the period as 1st half of Nov and 1st half of Dec > > (and I > > > > alone > > > > > take the pleasure of predicting perfect day or exact wk and I > > dont > > > > announce > > > > > it.) I prefered 1st half of Dec because of Guru being the > > sublord > > > > for above > > > > > mentioned reasons.If u go thruough, u will see that it is a > > period > > > > of less > > > > > than 1wk thought I wrote 2wks. > > > > > > > > > > Whatever rules are given we have to give little turn to it > > without > > > > changing > > > > > its primary meaning. Nothing is established yet as 100% and > > all r > > > > doing > > > > > research here so we have to search it for ourselves. The > > person who > > > > > introduced any theory has some specific thing in his mind which > > > > everybody > > > > > dosn't know so if we take his opinion, it will benifit us > > only. Mr > > > > > Gondhalekar is so modest person and helpfull to everybody. I > > > > always get > > > > > time to time help from him whenever I need. He wrote the basic > > > > rules for > > > > > 4steps and I think we all can study 4steps and add to it with > > > > proofs (of 100 > > > > > cases) with his guidence, I don't think he will have any > > objection. > > > > > > > > > > I close this with Sadar Pranam to Mr Gondhalekar Sir. > > > > > > > > > > Mr Twji I exactly think as u think and had same querries in my > > > > mind so I can > > > > > understand why u want to know all this in details.I asked all > > > > these > > > > > querries whatever u had re 4step to Mr Gondhalekar in work > > shops > > > > and he > > > > > replied all my querries very calmly. Because I am very much > > > > interested > > > > > in exact and minute results so I try SD in each and every > > case. The > > > > > difference is if we r face to face, question-answer session is > > > > finished in > > > > > few sentenses and when u r writting some explanation u have to > > > > write a big > > > > > essay which time consuming and very much boring. > > > > > > > > > > I have few softwares, they shows different subs for one planet > > > > (!!!).What to > > > > > do in such cases? I can understand cuspal sub changing with > > > > different > > > > > SW, then how can u believe the exactness of Sukshma dasha? > > > > > > > > > > Now also if u feel to ask some querry u can ask I will try to > > > > reply in my > > > > > ways. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > msg#14905 > > > > > > > > > > Respected Dr. Sheetal, > > > > > Thank you for your near-accurate analysis and congrats.You have > > > > > widened the scope of your prediction and rightly included > > December > > > > > 07 as possible period for foreign travel.The father is > > realising > > > > > difficulties in getting his leave sanctioned and so some delay > > is > > > > > possible. > > > > > with regards, > > > > > sujatkaram. <% 40> > > <% > > 40>, > > > > Sheetal > > > > > <ratnamalag@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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