cuspal sublord

March 17, 2008

dear tw ji,

reference to your article in kpezine march 2008 issue

heading the role of sublord in kp.

regarding point no.3,you have mentioned that " a cuspal sublord becomes the

strong significators of houses for which a planet is the cuspal sublords,if that planet

has no planet in its star " .in your previous posting you have mentioned that this rule is

not applied by KSK. then why you have not mentioned this is not kp?

as per my opinion this rule will be not be applicable to natal,it may be useful in horary.

-sunil gondhalekar

March 17, 2008

Dear sunil gondhalekar ji,

1. As mentioned many times, this rule has been found and followed by

the well known KP astrologers with succesful results.

2. The rule not applied by Guruji KSK does not mean not KP. Only

those rules against Guruji KSK's principles are not KP, such as

changing the role of sub lord from decider to significator, telling

Rahu or Pluto is generally malefic, any house 12th to another house

is not negative of that another house, upgrading grade E

significator to grade A significator by mere conj. or aspt within

3deg:20min orb, taking aspt of Rahu/Ketu etc.

3. With your negligable experience from rare application of Horary,

your saying of this rule can be useful only in Horary or Guruji

KSK's retrgression doesn't work in Horary are not reliable. They are

practically applying this rule in both natal and horary. In KP rules

are generally applicable in both natal and horary except

retrogression. There is no reason to say it's applicable in Horary

not in Natal.

4. Pl practically try it fisrt like they are doing, if you want to

give an applicable opinion. Your opinion without a sound rationale

or proof or sufficient experience is not helpful for any purpose.

Regards,

tw

, " sunil gondhalekar "

<sunilalaka wrote:

>

> dear tw ji,

> reference to your article in kpezine march 2008 issue

> heading the role of sublord in kp.

> regarding point no.3,you have mentioned that " a cuspal sublord

becomes the

> strong significators of houses for which a planet is the cuspal

sublords,if

> that planet

> has no planet in its star " .in your previous posting you have

mentioned that

> this rule is

> not applied by KSK. then why you have not mentioned this is not kp?

> as per my opinion this rule will be not be applicable to natal,it

may be

> useful in horary.

> -sunil gondhalekar

>

March 17, 2008

Dear Sunil ji, Tw ji & other members of this forum,

This discussion is turning a little acrimonious. For the sake of simplicity and avoiding any confusion for future, let me define that everything that is written in 6 readers is 'KP'. All the research after that including 'sub as a significator in case no planet in its star', 4-step and cuspal interlinks can be classified as 'research using KP' but can not be classified as 'KP'.

There can be differene of opinion on what I said above, but it will give a barometer to the forum to judge what is 'KP' and 'what is not KP' and hence avoid any confusion for the future. I hope it will be acceptable to all.

Thanks & Regards,

Punit Pandey

Moderator

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:43 PM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

Dear sunil gondhalekar ji,1. As mentioned many times, this rule has been found and followed by the well known KP astrologers with succesful results.2. The rule not applied by Guruji KSK does not mean not KP. Only

those rules against Guruji KSK's principles are not KP, such as changing the role of sub lord from decider to significator, telling Rahu or Pluto is generally malefic, any house 12th to another house is not negative of that another house, upgrading grade E

significator to grade A significator by mere conj. or aspt within 3deg:20min orb, taking aspt of Rahu/Ketu etc.3. With your negligable experience from rare application of Horary, your saying of this rule can be useful only in Horary or Guruji

KSK's retrgression doesn't work in Horary are not reliable. They are practically applying this rule in both natal and horary. In KP rules are generally applicable in both natal and horary except retrogression. There is no reason to say it's applicable in Horary

not in Natal.4. Pl practically try it fisrt like they are doing, if you want to give an applicable opinion. Your opinion without a sound rationale or proof or sufficient experience is not helpful for any purpose.

Regards,tw , " sunil gondhalekar "

<sunilalaka wrote:>> dear tw ji,> reference to your article in kpezine march 2008 issue> heading the role of sublord in kp.> regarding point no.3,you have mentioned that " a cuspal sublord

becomes the> strong significators of houses for which a planet is the cuspal sublords,if> that planet> has no planet in its star " .in your previous posting you have mentioned that> this rule is

> not applied by KSK. then why you have not mentioned this is not kp?> as per my opinion this rule will be not be applicable to natal,it may be> useful in horary.> -sunil gondhalekar>

March 17, 2008

Dear Punit Pandey

Thanks for ur timely response taken to stop this.

Dr Sheetal

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 9:33 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Dear Sunil ji, Tw ji & other members of this forum,

This discussion is turning a little acrimonious. For the sake of simplicity and avoiding any confusion for future, let me define that everything that is written in 6 readers is 'KP'. All the research after that including 'sub as a significator in case no planet in its star', 4-step and cuspal interlinks can be classified as 'research using KP' but can not be classified as 'KP'.

There can be differene of opinion on what I said above, but it will give a barometer to the forum to judge what is 'KP' and 'what is not KP' and hence avoid any confusion for the future. I hope it will be acceptable to all.

Thanks & Regards,

Punit Pandey

Moderator

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:43 PM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

Dear sunil gondhalekar ji,1. As mentioned many times, this rule has been found and followed by the well known KP astrologers with succesful results.2. The rule not applied by Guruji KSK does not mean not KP. Only

those rules against Guruji KSK's principles are not KP, such as changing the role of sub lord from decider to significator, telling Rahu or Pluto is generally malefic, any house 12th to another house is not negative of that another house, upgrading grade E

significator to grade A significator by mere conj. or aspt within 3deg:20min orb, taking aspt of Rahu/Ketu etc.3. With your negligable experience from rare application of Horary, your saying of this rule can be useful only in Horary or Guruji

KSK's retrgression doesn't work in Horary are not reliable. They are practically applying this rule in both natal and horary. In KP rules are generally applicable in both natal and horary except retrogression. There is no reason to say it's applicable in Horary

not in Natal.4. Pl practically try it fisrt like they are doing, if you want to give an applicable opinion. Your opinion without a sound rationale or proof or sufficient experience is not helpful for any purpose.

Regards,tw , " sunil gondhalekar "

<sunilalaka wrote:>> dear tw ji,> reference to your article in kpezine march 2008 issue> heading the role of sublord in kp.> regarding point no.3,you have mentioned that " a cuspal sublord

becomes the> strong significators of houses for which a planet is the cuspal sublords,if> that planet> has no planet in its star " .in your previous posting you have mentioned that> this rule is

> not applied by KSK. then why you have not mentioned this is not kp?> as per my opinion this rule will be not be applicable to natal,it may be> useful in horary.> -sunil gondhalekar>

March 17, 2008

Dear Members, Hope sri Punit Pandey's clarification may be acceptable to all. Here I would like to suppliment to his clarification. KP, 4 step theory, inter cuspal links theory etc are all belong to STELLAR ASTROLOGY which is a broad term. All these theories are based upon Stellar Astrology, giving importance to constellations and their sub divisions. Guruji KSK evolved one Paddhati and hence called as Krishnamurti Paddhati. By research, if X evolves another paddhathi, itwill be called as X paddhathi only. How X paddhathi can be called as Krishnamurthi Paddhathi ? similarly Y paddhathi may come. All these are based on Stellar Astrology. Naidu KPK. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.

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March 18, 2008

dear pandeyji,

pl.clear one more point,whether non kp message

(as per your defination) to be posted or not?

-sunil gondhalekar

On 3/17/08, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Dear Sunil ji, Tw ji & other members of this forum,

This discussion is turning a little acrimonious. For the sake of simplicity and avoiding any confusion for future, let me define that everything that is written in 6 readers is 'KP'. All the research after that including 'sub as a significator in case no planet in its star', 4-step and cuspal interlinks can be classified as 'research using KP' but can not be classified as 'KP'.

There can be differene of opinion on what I said above, but it will give a barometer to the forum to judge what is 'KP' and 'what is not KP' and hence avoid any confusion for the future. I hope it will be acceptable to all.

Thanks & Regards,

Punit Pandey

Moderator

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:43 PM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

Dear sunil gondhalekar ji,1. As mentioned many times, this rule has been found and followed by the well known KP astrologers with succesful results.2. The rule not applied by Guruji KSK does not mean not KP. Only

those rules against Guruji KSK's principles are not KP, such as changing the role of sub lord from decider to significator, telling Rahu or Pluto is generally malefic, any house 12th to another house is not negative of that another house, upgrading grade E

significator to grade A significator by mere conj. or aspt within 3deg:20min orb, taking aspt of Rahu/Ketu etc.3. With your negligable experience from rare application of Horary, your saying of this rule can be useful only in Horary or Guruji

KSK's retrgression doesn't work in Horary are not reliable. They are practically applying this rule in both natal and horary. In KP rules are generally applicable in both natal and horary except retrogression. There is no reason to say it's applicable in Horary

not in Natal.4. Pl practically try it fisrt like they are doing, if you want to give an applicable opinion. Your opinion without a sound rationale or proof or sufficient experience is not helpful for any purpose.

Regards,tw , " sunil gondhalekar "

<sunilalaka wrote:>> dear tw ji,> reference to your article in kpezine march 2008 issue> heading the role of sublord in kp.> regarding point no.3,you have mentioned that " a cuspal sublord

becomes the> strong significators of houses for which a planet is the cuspal sublords,if> that planet> has no planet in its star " .in your previous posting you have mentioned that> this rule is

> not applied by KSK. then why you have not mentioned this is not kp?> as per my opinion this rule will be not be applicable to natal,it may be> useful in horary.> -sunil gondhalekar>

March 18, 2008

Dear Mr.Pandeyji, When someone is carrying out research,I wonder, whether it does matter KP or not.What it matters is that it should contribute to better prediction. I think that is the spirit of Guruji and precisely he introduced the Sublord system. I think we are wasting time in trying to be one upmanship. Thank you for timely interventiion. Regards, Jammalamdugu Rangan Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Dear Sunil ji, Tw ji & other members of this forum, This discussion is turning a little acrimonious. For the sake of simplicity and avoiding any confusion for future, let me define that everything that is written in 6 readers is 'KP'. All the research after that including 'sub as a significator in case no planet in its star', 4-step and cuspal interlinks can be classified as 'research using KP' but can not be classified as 'KP'. There can be differene of opinion on what I said above, but it will give a barometer to the forum to judge what is 'KP' and 'what is not KP' and hence avoid any confusion for the future. I hope it will be acceptable to all. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey Moderator On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:43 PM,

tw853 <tw853 > wrote: Dear sunil gondhalekar ji,1. As mentioned many times, this rule has been found and followed by the well known KP astrologers with succesful results.2. The rule not applied by Guruji KSK does not mean not KP. Only those rules against Guruji KSK's principles are not KP, such as changing the role of sub lord from decider to significator, telling Rahu or Pluto is generally malefic, any house 12th to another house is not negative of that another house, upgrading grade E significator to grade A significator by mere conj. or aspt within 3deg:20min orb, taking aspt of Rahu/Ketu etc.3. With your negligable experience from rare application of Horary, your saying of this rule can be useful only in Horary or Guruji

KSK's retrgression doesn't work in Horary are not reliable. They are practically applying this rule in both natal and horary. In KP rules are generally applicable in both natal and horary except retrogression. There is no reason to say it's applicable in Horary not in Natal.4. Pl practically try it fisrt like they are doing, if you want to give an applicable opinion. Your opinion without a sound rationale or proof or sufficient experience is not helpful for any purpose.Regards,tw , "sunil gondhalekar" <sunilalaka wrote:>> dear tw ji,> reference to your article in kpezine march 2008 issue> heading the role of sublord in kp.> regarding point no.3,you have mentioned that "a cuspal sublord becomes the> strong significators of houses

for which a planet is the cuspal sublords,if> that planet> has no planet in its star".in your previous posting you have mentioned that> this rule is> not applied by KSK. then why you have not mentioned this is not kp?> as per my opinion this rule will be not be applicable to natal,it may be> useful in horary.> -sunil gondhalekar>

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March 18, 2008

II Om Gurave Namah IIHari OM Dear Friends,

I like Puneet ji 's strict defination.

Use of 4 step,ESP,Cuspal interlink , etc must be valid withen

its sphere of application.These should not be mixed.

while applying most students state what they are applying.

Trouble arises when more than two method are mixed.

There is another hidden issue.

Kp paddhiti in original is copyright of Family of Prof KSK.Similar is the situation with other modules of astrology , Say with system astrology.

One may recall Sri Chandra kant bhatt did not get permission to use KP in his writing.I am not sure, but this i beleive I have read somewhere.

Use of stellar astrology is appropiate for KP paddhiti.

Traditionally nakshtra is divided in four pada and all division except some nadi uses had been the division of arc.

Time base division by grace of lord Ganesha was evolved and exposed by Late honourable Prof KSK although it was existing in nadis.Since KP is fundamentally uses span "based division on Vimshottari dasa "of star so stellar astrology is appropriate.

To avoid complexities about intellectual property issues in mundane world I recommend acceptance of term steller astrology to model given by Prof KSK.

Rest may be called by name that are chosen by holders of Rights.

Hope , my views are not offensive to any one.

with regards.

OM TATSAT------------------------R.C.Srivastava----------------------- " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who has created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding."

-

K. P. Naidu

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 1:25 AM

Re: Re: cuspal sublord

Dear Members,

Hope sri Punit Pandey's clarification may be acceptable to all.

Here I would like to suppliment to his clarification.

KP, 4 step theory, inter cuspal links theory etc are all belong to STELLAR ASTROLOGY which is a broad term. All these theories are based upon Stellar Astrology, giving importance to constellations and their sub divisions.

Guruji KSK evolved one Paddhati and hence called as Krishnamurti Paddhati. By research, if X evolves another paddhathi, itwill be called as X paddhathi only. How X paddhathi can be called as Krishnamurthi Paddhathi ? similarly Y paddhathi may come. All these are based on Stellar Astrology.

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March 18, 2008

Dear Friends,

Important point. As mentioned previously, for the forum everything that is there in 6 readers is 'KP'. Also as suggested by KP Naidu ji and Shrivastava ji, 4-step, cuspal interlinks, ESP and any other research using KP comes under stellar astrology. So for the sake of defining the guideline for the forum let me say that " stellar astrology " topics can be discussed and posted in this forum. I hope it clarifies the question related to posting?

Thanks & Regards,

Punit Pandey

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:48 AM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote:

dear pandeyji,

pl.clear one more point,whether non kp message

(as per your defination) to be posted or not?

-sunil gondhalekar

On 3/17/08, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Dear Sunil ji, Tw ji & other members of this forum,

This discussion is turning a little acrimonious. For the sake of simplicity and avoiding any confusion for future, let me define that everything that is written in 6 readers is 'KP'. All the research after that including 'sub as a significator in case no planet in its star', 4-step and cuspal interlinks can be classified as 'research using KP' but can not be classified as 'KP'.

There can be differene of opinion on what I said above, but it will give a barometer to the forum to judge what is 'KP' and 'what is not KP' and hence avoid any confusion for the future. I hope it will be acceptable to all.

Thanks & Regards,

Punit Pandey

Moderator

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:43 PM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

Dear sunil gondhalekar ji,1. As mentioned many times, this rule has been found and followed by the well known KP astrologers with succesful results.2. The rule not applied by Guruji KSK does not mean not KP. Only

those rules against Guruji KSK's principles are not KP, such as changing the role of sub lord from decider to significator, telling Rahu or Pluto is generally malefic, any house 12th to another house is not negative of that another house, upgrading grade E

significator to grade A significator by mere conj. or aspt within 3deg:20min orb, taking aspt of Rahu/Ketu etc.3. With your negligable experience from rare application of Horary, your saying of this rule can be useful only in Horary or Guruji

KSK's retrgression doesn't work in Horary are not reliable. They are practically applying this rule in both natal and horary. In KP rules are generally applicable in both natal and horary except retrogression. There is no reason to say it's applicable in Horary

not in Natal.4. Pl practically try it fisrt like they are doing, if you want to give an applicable opinion. Your opinion without a sound rationale or proof or sufficient experience is not helpful for any purpose.

Regards,tw , " sunil gondhalekar "

<sunilalaka wrote:>> dear tw ji,> reference to your article in kpezine march 2008 issue> heading the role of sublord in kp.> regarding point no.3,you have mentioned that " a cuspal sublord

becomes the> strong significators of houses for which a planet is the cuspal sublords,if> that planet> has no planet in its star " .in your previous posting you have mentioned that> this rule is

> not applied by KSK. then why you have not mentioned this is not kp?> as per my opinion this rule will be not be applicable to natal,it may be> useful in horary.> -sunil gondhalekar>

March 18, 2008

Dear Tinwin,

I think you've both got it all wrong,Punit and you...anything based upon the Principles of K.P., need to be,and can certainly be termed as "K.P...."

The terms Newton's Laws,Pythagorean geometry are similarly used ...the whole idea is to give due credit to the Original Inventor...

I therefore find that the objection voiced by you and supported by Puneet Pandey as quite out of place and not necessary at all.

L.Y.Rao.

GOOD LUCK !tw853 <tw853 Sent: Monday, 17 March, 2008 5:43:01 PM Re: cuspal sublord

Dear sunil gondhalekar ji,1. As mentioned many times, this rule has been found and followed by the well known KP astrologers with succesful results.2. The rule not applied by Guruji KSK does not mean not KP. Only those rules against Guruji KSK's principles are not KP, such as changing the role of sub lord from decider to significator, telling Rahu or Pluto is generally malefic, any house 12th to another house is not negative of that another house, upgrading grade E significator to grade A significator by mere conj. or aspt within 3deg:20min orb, taking aspt of Rahu/Ketu etc.3. With your negligable experience from rare application of Horary, your saying of this rule can be useful only in Horary or Guruji KSK's retrgression doesn't work in Horary are not reliable. They are practically applying this rule in both natal and horary. In KP rules are generally applicable in both natal and

horary except retrogression. There is no reason to say it's applicable in Horary not in Natal.4. Pl practically try it fisrt like they are doing, if you want to give an applicable opinion. Your opinion without a sound rationale or proof or sufficient experience is not helpful for any purpose.Regards,tw@gro ups.com, "sunil gondhalekar" <sunilalaka@ ...> wrote:>> dear tw ji,> reference to your article in kpezine march 2008 issue> heading the role of sublord in kp.> regarding point no.3,you have mentioned that "a cuspal sublord becomes the> strong significators of houses for which a planet is the cuspal sublords,if> that planet> has no planet in its star".in your previous posting you have

mentioned that> this rule is> not applied by KSK. then why you have not mentioned this is not kp?> as per my opinion this rule will be not be applicable to natal,it may be> useful in horary.> -sunil gondhalekar>

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March 18, 2008

Dear Lajmi ji,

Purpose of my email was just to give a common definition to 'KP' for this forum. It doesn't matter whether the definition is correct or not, but after having this definition I am sure we will not be having controversy on what is KP and what is not. I have based my definition of KP on 6 reader because it is simple and easy to verify. I would have taken any other definition but this definition, I believe, is the best to avoid controversies.

Thanks & Regards,

Punit Pandey

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:

Dear Tinwin,

I think you've both got it all wrong,Punit and you...anything based upon the Principles of K.P., need to be,and can certainly be termed as " K.P.... "

The terms Newton's Laws,Pythagorean geometry are similarly used ...the whole idea is to give due credit to the Original Inventor...

I therefore find that the objection voiced by you and supported by Puneet Pandey as quite out of place and not necessary at all.

L.Y.Rao.

GOOD LUCK !

tw853 <tw853

Monday, 17 March, 2008 5:43:01 PM Re: cuspal sublord

Dear sunil gondhalekar ji,1. As mentioned many times, this rule has been found and followed by the well known KP astrologers with succesful results.2. The rule not applied by Guruji KSK does not mean not KP. Only

those rules against Guruji KSK's principles are not KP, such as changing the role of sub lord from decider to significator, telling Rahu or Pluto is generally malefic, any house 12th to another house is not negative of that another house, upgrading grade E

significator to grade A significator by mere conj. or aspt within 3deg:20min orb, taking aspt of Rahu/Ketu etc.3. With your negligable experience from rare application of Horary, your saying of this rule can be useful only in Horary or Guruji

KSK's retrgression doesn't work in Horary are not reliable. They are practically applying this rule in both natal and horary. In KP rules are generally applicable in both natal and horary except retrogression. There is no reason to say it's applicable in Horary

not in Natal.4. Pl practically try it fisrt like they are doing, if you want to give an applicable opinion. Your opinion without a sound rationale or proof or sufficient experience is not helpful for any purpose.

Regards,tw@gro ups.com, " sunil gondhalekar "

<sunilalaka@ ...> wrote:>> dear tw ji,> reference to your article in kpezine march 2008 issue> heading the role of sublord in kp.> regarding point no.3,you have mentioned that " a cuspal sublord

becomes the> strong significators of houses for which a planet is the cuspal sublords,if> that planet> has no planet in its star " .in your previous posting you have mentioned that> this rule is

> not applied by KSK. then why you have not mentioned this is not kp?> as per my opinion this rule will be not be applicable to natal,it may be> useful in horary.> -sunil gondhalekar>

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March 18, 2008

Dear all,

I agree to Shri Lajmiji,here on this point,

that anything which is based on Kp principles,

can be termed as KP.

And I believe that even 4 Step which is an

extension of 2 step,is just KP, and cannot

be termed as some X system.

A person who has invented the record player,

and another person who modifies it to take

6 records at a time,and play one by one,

cannot be termed as the originator,

or think of holding a new patent or

to it with his name.

Ultimately these are all extensions of KP,

under the single Umbrella " Stellar astrology "

which has originated even much before the Nadis

as some paras in ramayan and Mahabharata suggest,

with reference to stars.

I am looking forward to a genuine author of

the modifications of the 2 steps or 3 steps,

to 4 step,who can give value for money taken,

and after reading the book, which,

one can understand the nuances of KP,

not highlighted uoptil now, in the readers,

though mentioned there in few places,

but scattered.

I am ready to pay Rs 2000- for the book, but let it

make the reader understand with numerous and

various examples of usage, and explanations,

unhurriedly written,

and primarily to serve the astrologer community,

and secondarily for a commercial cause.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1

wrote:

>

> Dear Tinwin,

> I think you've both got it all wrong,Punit and

you...anything based upon the Principles of K.P., need to be,and can

certainly be termed as " K.P.... "

> The terms Newton's Laws,Pythagorean geometry

are similarly used ...the whole idea is to give due credit to the

Original Inventor...

> I therefore find that the objection voiced by

you and supported by Puneet Pandey as quite out of place and not

necessary at all.

> L.Y.Rao.

> GOOD LUCK !

>

> tw853 <tw853

>

> Monday, 17 March, 2008 5:43:01 PM

> Re: cuspal sublord

>

> Dear sunil gondhalekar ji,

>

> 1. As mentioned many times, this rule has been found and followed

by

> the well known KP astrologers with succesful results.

>

> 2. The rule not applied by Guruji KSK does not mean not KP. Only

> those rules against Guruji KSK's principles are not KP, such as

> changing the role of sub lord from decider to significator, telling

> Rahu or Pluto is generally malefic, any house 12th to another house

> is not negative of that another house, upgrading grade E

> significator to grade A significator by mere conj. or aspt within

> 3deg:20min orb, taking aspt of Rahu/Ketu etc.

>

> 3. With your negligable experience from rare application of Horary,

> your saying of this rule can be useful only in Horary or Guruji

> KSK's retrgression doesn't work in Horary are not reliable. They

are

> practically applying this rule in both natal and horary. In KP

rules

> are generally applicable in both natal and horary except

> retrogression. There is no reason to say it's applicable in Horary

> not in Natal.

>

> 4. Pl practically try it fisrt like they are doing, if you want to

> give an applicable opinion. Your opinion without a sound rationale

> or proof or sufficient experience is not helpful for any purpose.

>

> Regards,

>

> tw

>

> @gro ups.com, " sunil gondhalekar "

> <sunilalaka@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > dear tw ji,

> > reference to your article in kpezine march 2008 issue

> > heading the role of sublord in kp.

> > regarding point no.3,you have mentioned that " a cuspal sublord

> becomes the

> > strong significators of houses for which a planet is the cuspal

> sublords,if

> > that planet

> > has no planet in its star " .in your previous posting you have

> mentioned that

> > this rule is

> > not applied by KSK. then why you have not mentioned this is not

kp?

> > as per my opinion this rule will be not be applicable to natal,it

> may be

> > useful in horary.

> > -sunil gondhalekar

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to http://in.messenger./webmessengerpromo.php/

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March 18, 2008

Dear Bhaskar ji & Friends,

I would request everybody that let us stop debating what is KP and what is not and move on. This seems a never ending disussion with not tha great value.

Thanks & Regards,

Punit Pandey

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Dear all,I agree to Shri Lajmiji,here on this point,that anything which is based on Kp principles,can be termed as KP.And I believe that even 4 Step which is an extension of 2 step,is just KP, and cannot

be termed as some X system. A person who has invented the record player,and another person who modifies it to take6 records at a time,and play one by one,cannot be termed as the originator,or think of holding a new patent or

to it with his name.Ultimately these are all extensions of KP,under the single Umbrella " Stellar astrology " which has originated even much before the Nadisas some paras in ramayan and Mahabharata suggest,

with reference to stars.I am looking forward to a genuine author ofthe modifications of the 2 steps or 3 steps,to 4 step,who can give value for money taken,and after reading the book, which,one can understand the nuances of KP,

not highlighted uoptil now, in the readers,though mentioned there in few places,but scattered.I am ready to pay Rs 2000- for the book, but let itmake the reader understand with numerous and various examples of usage, and explanations,

unhurriedly written,and primarily to serve the astrologer community,and secondarily for a commercial cause.regards,Bhaskar. , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1

wrote: >> Dear Tinwin,> I think you've both got it all wrong,Punit and you...anything based upon the Principles of K.P., need to be,and can certainly be termed as " K.P.... "

> The terms Newton's Laws,Pythagorean geometry are similarly used ...the whole idea is to give due credit to the Original Inventor...> I therefore find that the objection voiced by you and supported by Puneet Pandey as quite out of place and not

necessary at all.> L.Y.Rao.> GOOD LUCK !> >

> tw853 <tw853> > Monday, 17 March, 2008 5:43:01 PM> Re: cuspal sublord

> > > Dear sunil gondhalekar ji,> > 1. As mentioned many times, this rule has been found and followed by> the well known KP astrologers with succesful results.> > 2. The rule not applied by Guruji KSK does not mean not KP. Only

> those rules against Guruji KSK's principles are not KP, such as> changing the role of sub lord from decider to significator, telling> Rahu or Pluto is generally malefic, any house 12th to another house

> is not negative of that another house, upgrading grade E> significator to grade A significator by mere conj. or aspt within> 3deg:20min orb, taking aspt of Rahu/Ketu etc.> > 3. With your negligable experience from rare application of Horary,

> your saying of this rule can be useful only in Horary or Guruji> KSK's retrgression doesn't work in Horary are not reliable. They are> practically applying this rule in both natal and horary. In KP

rules> are generally applicable in both natal and horary except> retrogression. There is no reason to say it's applicable in Horary> not in Natal.> > 4. Pl practically try it fisrt like they are doing, if you want to

> give an applicable opinion. Your opinion without a sound rationale> or proof or sufficient experience is not helpful for any purpose.> > Regards,> > tw> > @gro ups.com, " sunil gondhalekar "

> <sunilalaka@ ...> wrote:> >> > dear tw ji,> > reference to your article in kpezine march 2008 issue> > heading the role of sublord in kp.> > regarding point no.3,you have mentioned that " a cuspal sublord

> becomes the> > strong significators of houses for which a planet is the cuspal> sublords,if> > that planet> > has no planet in its star " .in your previous posting you have

> mentioned that> > this rule is> > not applied by KSK. then why you have not mentioned this is not kp?> > as per my opinion this rule will be not be applicable to natal,it> may be

> > useful in horary.> > -sunil gondhalekar> >> > > > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Go to http://in.messenger./webmessengerpromo.php/

>

March 19, 2008

Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi,

You're also wrong because Dr. Kar has called his theory " Kar

Padhdhati " , Mr. Baskaran " KB " , Mr. Khullar " Kalamsa & Cuspal

Interlinks Theory " .

tw

, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1

wrote:

>

> Dear Tinwin,

> I think you've both got it all wrong,Punit and

you...anything based upon the Principles of K.P., need to be,and can

certainly be termed as " K.P.... "

> The terms Newton's Laws,Pythagorean geometry

are similarly used ...the whole idea is to give due credit to the

Original Inventor...

> I therefore find that the objection voiced by

you and supported by Puneet Pandey as quite out of place and not

necessary at all.

> L.Y.Rao.

> GOOD LUCK !

>

> tw853 <tw853

>

> Monday, 17 March, 2008 5:43:01 PM

> Re: cuspal sublord

>

> Dear sunil gondhalekar ji,

>

> 1. As mentioned many times, this rule has been found and followed

by

> the well known KP astrologers with succesful results.

>

> 2. The rule not applied by Guruji KSK does not mean not KP. Only

> those rules against Guruji KSK's principles are not KP, such as

> changing the role of sub lord from decider to significator, telling

> Rahu or Pluto is generally malefic, any house 12th to another house

> is not negative of that another house, upgrading grade E

> significator to grade A significator by mere conj. or aspt within

> 3deg:20min orb, taking aspt of Rahu/Ketu etc.

>

> 3. With your negligable experience from rare application of Horary,

> your saying of this rule can be useful only in Horary or Guruji

> KSK's retrgression doesn't work in Horary are not reliable. They

are

> practically applying this rule in both natal and horary. In KP

rules

> are generally applicable in both natal and horary except

> retrogression. There is no reason to say it's applicable in Horary

> not in Natal.

>

> 4. Pl practically try it fisrt like they are doing, if you want to

> give an applicable opinion. Your opinion without a sound rationale

> or proof or sufficient experience is not helpful for any purpose.

>

> Regards,

>

> tw

>

> @gro ups.com, " sunil gondhalekar "

> <sunilalaka@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > dear tw ji,

> > reference to your article in kpezine march 2008 issue

> > heading the role of sublord in kp.

> > regarding point no.3,you have mentioned that " a cuspal sublord

> becomes the

> > strong significators of houses for which a planet is the cuspal

> sublords,if

> > that planet

> > has no planet in its star " .in your previous posting you have

> mentioned that

> > this rule is

> > not applied by KSK. then why you have not mentioned this is not

kp?

> > as per my opinion this rule will be not be applicable to natal,it

> may be

> > useful in horary.

> > -sunil gondhalekar

> Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Go

to http://in.messenger./webmessengerpromo.php/

>

March 19, 2008

Dear Friends,

From the forum's perspective, we already defined what is KP in message #16816 (/message/16816). Please no further discussion on it.

Thanks & Regards,

Punit Pandey

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 8:51 AM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi,You're also wrong because Dr. Kar has called his theory " Kar Padhdhati " , Mr. Baskaran " KB " , Mr. Khullar " Kalamsa & Cuspal Interlinks Theory " .

tw

, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:>

> Dear Tinwin,> I think you've both got it all wrong,Punit and you...anything based upon the Principles of K.P., need to be,and can certainly be termed as " K.P.... " > The terms Newton's Laws,Pythagorean geometry

are similarly used ...the whole idea is to give due credit to the Original Inventor...> I therefore find that the objection voiced by you and supported by Puneet Pandey as quite out of place and not necessary at all.

> L.Y.Rao.> GOOD LUCK !> >