Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star

August 4, 2008

dear dhanabalan,

in my previous messages,i have mentioned that my

late guru,hasbe,told me that KSK was using sub's star.

so you have found the example also,thanks

-sunil gondhalekar

, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan

wrote:

>

> Dear members

>

> Please refere page 198 of Reader V (Transit), 2004 edition under

the heading " Horary New Finding " .

>

> I reproduce the sentence, " Find out the sublord of the 5th cusp.

> If the sublord of the 5th cusp is deposited in any sign in any

constellation, but in the sub of the significator of the houses 6

and 11 one wins most satisfactorily. Highest reward. "

> From this I understand that the 5th cusp sub's sub is the

significator. i..e. we have to consider the 5th cusp sub's sub's

star also.

>

> In 4 step theory, Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar has considered the 5th cusp

sublord as planet(first step), star (2nd step), sub's sub (3rd step)

and sub's sub's star in the 4th step.

> It seems the 4 step theory is only a k.p. and there is no

deviation from k.p.rule.

>

> Dhanabalan

>

August 5, 2008

Dear Sunialaka

I accept that there is evidence in the Reader V (Transit) for your 4 step theory.

But according to me, all the Readers were not written by Mr.KSK. In the name of Mr.KSK, someone has written. I have shown some evidence in Reader III in support of my contention. There are some more evidences in the Reader VI (Horary) in support of my contentention.

Further, there is another controversy. which one is to take? cusp's star or cusp sub's sub's star for prediction. For example,

For marriage which will decide the marriage among the following 3? Which should signify 2,7 and 11? Which should fall in fruitful sign?

1) 7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11 or

2) 7th cusp sublord' star should signify 2,7,11 or

3) 7th cusp sublord's sublord's star should signify 2,7,11

Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 8/4/08, sunilalaka <sunilalaka wrote:

sunilalaka <sunilalaka Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 9:04 AM

dear dhanabalan,in my previous messages,i have mentioned that mylate guru,hasbe,told me that KSK was using sub's star.so you have found the example also,thanks-sunil gondhalekar@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear members> > > Please refere page 198 of Reader V (Transit), 2004 edition under the heading "Horary New Finding".> > I reproduce the sentence," Find out the sublord of the 5th cusp.> If the sublord of the 5th cusp is deposited in any sign in any constellation, but in the sub of the significator of the houses 6 and 11 one wins most satisfactorily. Highest reward."> From this I understand that the 5th cusp sub's sub is the significator. i..e. we have to consider the 5th cusp sub's sub's star

also.> > In 4 step theory, Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar has considered the 5th cusp sublord as planet(first step), star (2nd step), sub's sub (3rd step) and sub's sub's star in the 4th step.> It seems the 4 step theory is only a k.p. and there is no deviation from k.p.rule.> > Dhanabalan> >

August 5, 2008

By taking the 7th cusp sub lord as a planet, follow the following rule to judge whether it is a significator of 1, 7 or 11 house:

"The planet is the source, constellation indicates nature of the result and the sub is a "deciding factor" whether the matter is favorable or not."

- Krishnamurti Padhdhati, Vol. 2, 1966, p 41

, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:>> Dear Sunialaka> > I accept that there is evidence in the Reader V (Transit) for your 4 step theory.> But according to me, all the Readers were not written by Mr.KSK. In the name of Mr.KSK, someone has written. I have shown some evidence in Reader III in support of my contention. There are some more evidences in the Reader VI (Horary) in support of my contentention. > > Further, there is another controversy. which one is to take? cusp's star or cusp sub's sub's star for prediction. For example,> > For marriage which will decide the marriage among the following 3? Which should signify 2,7 and 11? Which should fall in fruitful sign?> > 1) 7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11 or> 2) 7th cusp sublord' star should signify 2,7,11 or > 3) 7th cusp sublord's sublord's star should signify 2,7,11> > Dhanabalan> > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, sunilalaka sunilalaka wrote:> > sunilalaka sunilalaka Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star> > Monday, August 4, 2008, 9:04 AM> > > > > > > dear dhanabalan,> in my previous messages,i have mentioned that my> late guru,hasbe,told me that KSK was using sub's star.> so you have found the example also,thanks> -sunil gondhalekar> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> > wrote:> >> > Dear members> > > > > > Please refere page 198 of Reader V (Transit), 2004 edition under > the heading "Horary New Finding".> > > > I reproduce the sentence," Find out the sublord of the 5th cusp.> > If the sublord of the 5th cusp is deposited in any sign in any > constellation, but in the sub of the significator of the houses 6 > and 11 one wins most satisfactorily. Highest reward."> > From this I understand that the 5th cusp sub's sub is the > significator. i..e. we have to consider the 5th cusp sub's sub's > star also.> > > > In 4 step theory, Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar has considered the 5th cusp > sublord as planet(first step), star (2nd step), sub's sub (3rd step) > and sub's sub's star in the 4th step.> > It seems the 4 step theory is only a k.p. and there is no > deviation from k.p.rule.> > > > Dhanabalan> > > >>

August 5, 2008

Dear tw853

Please tell me in specific, out of the three I mentioned earlier, which one you want to tick.

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 8/5/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

tw853 <tw853 Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 3:33 AM

By taking the 7th cusp sub lord as a planet, follow the following rule to judge whether it is a significator of 1, 7 or 11 house:

"The planet is the source, constellation indicates nature of the result and the sub is a "deciding factor" whether the matter is favorable or not."

- Krishnamurti Padhdhati, Vol. 2, 1966, p 41

@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sunialaka> > I accept that there is evidence in the Reader V (Transit) for your 4 step theory.> But according to me, all the Readers were not written by Mr.KSK. In the name of Mr.KSK, someone has written. I have shown some evidence in Reader III in support of my contention. There are some more evidences in the Reader VI (Horary) in support of my contentention. > > Further, there is another controversy. which one is to take? cusp's star or cusp sub's sub's star for prediction. For example,> > For marriage which will decide the marriage among the following 3? Which should signify 2,7 and 11? Which should fall in fruitful sign?> > 1) 7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11 or> 2) 7th cusp sublord' star should signify 2,7,11 or > 3) 7th cusp

sublord's sublord's star should signify 2,7,11> > Dhanabalan> > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, sunilalaka sunilalaka@. .. wrote:> > sunilalaka sunilalaka@. ..> Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star> @gro ups.com> Monday, August 4, 2008, 9:04 AM> > > > > > > dear dhanabalan,> in my previous messages,i have mentioned that my> late guru,hasbe,told me that KSK was using sub's star.> so you have found the example also,thanks> -sunil gondhalekar> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> > wrote:> >> > Dear members> > > > > > Please refere page 198 of Reader V (Transit), 2004 edition under > the heading "Horary New Finding".> >

> > I reproduce the sentence," Find out the sublord of the 5th cusp.> > If the sublord of the 5th cusp is deposited in any sign in any > constellation, but in the sub of the significator of the houses 6 > and 11 one wins most satisfactorily. Highest reward."> > From this I understand that the 5th cusp sub's sub is the > significator. i..e. we have to consider the 5th cusp sub's sub's > star also.> > > > In 4 step theory, Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar has considered the 5th cusp > sublord as planet(first step), star (2nd step), sub's sub (3rd step) > and sub's sub's star in the 4th step.> > It seems the 4 step theory is only a k.p. and there is no > deviation from k.p.rule.> > > > Dhanabalan> > > >>

August 5, 2008

Dear

TWji

I

still can

not grasp the real meaning of “Source” and “Nature”.

When applied to a planet,

it may mean the Planet itself as source (i.e the

planet will fructify an event in its Dasa-Bhukti-Antara

etc). “Nature” means the what event it will trigger in its D-B-A

period. So far is good.

But when we apply this

dictum on a cusp, what does it mean?

Regards

Suprakash

On Behalf

Of tw853

Tuesday, August 05, 2008

9:04 AM

Re: Which is

correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star

By taking the 7th cusp sub lord as a planet, follow the following rule

to judge whether it is a significator of 1, 7 or 11 house:

" The planet is the source, constellation indicates nature of

the result and the sub is a " deciding factor " whether the matter is

favorable or not. "

- Krishnamurti Padhdhati, Vol.

2, 1966, p 41

, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

>

> Dear Sunialaka

>

> I accept that there is evidence in the Reader V (Transit) for your 4 step

theory.

> But according to me, all the Readers were not written by Mr.KSK. In the

name of Mr.KSK, someone has written. I have shown some evidence in Reader III

in support of my contention. There are some more evidences in the Reader VI (Horary)

in support of my contentention.

>

> Further, there is another controversy. which one is to take? cusp's star

or cusp sub's sub's star for prediction. For example,

>

> For marriage which will decide the marriage among the following 3? Which

should signify 2,7 and 11? Which should fall in fruitful sign?

>

> 1) 7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11 or

> 2) 7th cusp sublord' star should signify 2,7,11 or

> 3) 7th cusp sublord's sublord's star should si gnify 2,7,11

>

> Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Mon, 8/4/08, sunilalaka sunilalaka wrote:

>

> sunilalaka sunilalaka

> Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star

>

> Monday, August 4, 2008, 9:04 AM

>

> dear dhanabalan,

> in my previous messages,i have mentioned that my

> late guru,hasbe,told me that KSK was using sub's star.

> so you have found the example also,thanks

> -sunil gondhalekar

>

> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear members

> >

> > Please refere page 198 of Reader V (Transit), 2004 edition under

> the heading " Horary New Finding " .

> >

> > I reproduce the sentence, " Find out the subl ord of the 5th

cusp.

> > If the sublord of the 5th cusp is deposited in any sign in any

> constellation, but in the sub of the significator of the houses 6

> and 11 one wins most satisfactorily. Highest reward. "

> > From this I understand that the 5th cusp sub's sub is the

> significator. i..e. we have to consider the 5th cusp sub's sub's

> star also.

> >

> > In 4 step theory, Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar has considered the 5th cusp

> sublord as planet(first step), star (2nd step), sub's sub (3rd step)

> and sub's sub's star in the 4th step.

> > It seems the 4 step theory is only a k.p. and there is no

> deviation from k.p.rule.

> >

> > Dhanabalan

> >

>

August 5, 2008

Dear Dhanabalan

I know u and tw ji have great theoritical knowledge of kp and vedic astrology. I dont want to jump in the running debate due to my limited knowledge. Such debates are interesting to read and valuable to gain knowledge in certain limits. I believe in the rules and methods which after practical application gives correct answer to my satisfaction atleast 80%. Otherwise I try another method. I find 4step method satisfactory, which is the extension of kp and gives correct answers mostly. And I want to answer ur query by 4step method only.

7th cusp sublord should signify any of the 2,7,11 or 5,8 (supporting ) houses strongly, at any step of the 4steps for marriage.

which includes all ur 1,2,3

1st step is -7th cusp sublord-A ( ur 1)

2nd step is -star lord of A -(ur 2)

3rd step is -sublord of A

4th step is-star lord of sublord of A -(ur 3)

If you try this practically, u will get correct answer in 80% of the cases, and automatically debate will be over by ur own experience.

Thanks and regards

Dr Sheetal

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:23 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dear Sunialakais

I accept that there is evidence in the Reader V (Transit) for your 4 step theory.

But according to me, all the Readers were not written by Mr.KSK. In the name of Mr.KSK, someone has written. I have shown some evidence in Reader III in support of my contention. There are some more evidences in the Reader VI (Horary) in support of my contentention.

Further, there is another controversy. which one is to take? cusp's star or cusp sub's sub's star for prediction. For example,

For marriage which will decide the marriage among the following 3? Which should signify 2,7 and 11? Which should fall in fruitful sign?

1) 7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11 or

2) 7th cusp sublord' star should signify 2,7,11 or

3) 7th cusp sublord's sublord's star should signify 2,7,11

Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 8/4/08, sunilalaka <sunilalaka wrote:

sunilalaka <sunilalaka Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star

Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 9:04 AM

dear dhanabalan,in my previous messages,i have mentioned that mylate guru,hasbe,told me that KSK was using sub's star.so you have found the example also,thanks-sunil gondhalekar

@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

wrote:>> Dear members> > > Please refere page 198 of Reader V (Transit), 2004 edition under the heading " Horary New Finding " .> > I reproduce the sentence, " Find out the sublord of the 5th cusp.

> If the sublord of the 5th cusp is deposited in any sign in any constellation, but in the sub of the significator of the houses 6 and 11 one wins most satisfactorily. Highest reward. " > From this I understand that the 5th cusp sub's sub is the

significator. i..e. we have to consider the 5th cusp sub's sub's star also.> > In 4 step theory, Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar has considered the 5th cusp sublord as planet(first step), star (2nd step), sub's sub (3rd step)

and sub's sub's star in the 4th step.> It seems the 4 step theory is only a k.p. and there is no deviation from k.p.rule.> > Dhanabalan> >

August 5, 2008

Dear Sheetal

My question is related to k.p. and not related to 4 step theory.

I expect an answer from the original follower of k.p.

Thank you

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Sheetal <ratnamalag wrote:

Sheetal <ratnamalagRe: Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:28 AM

Dear Dhanabalan

I know u and tw ji have great theoritical knowledge of kp and vedic astrology. I dont want to jump in the running debate due to my limited knowledge. Such debates are interesting to read and valuable to gain knowledge in certain limits. I believe in the rules and methods which after practical application gives correct answer to my satisfaction atleast 80%. Otherwise I try another method. I find 4step method satisfactory, which is the extension of kp and gives correct answers mostly. And I want to answer ur query by 4step method only.

7th cusp sublord should signify any of the 2,7,11 or 5,8 (supporting ) houses strongly, at any step of the 4steps for marriage.

which includes all ur 1,2,3

1st step is -7th cusp sublord-A ( ur 1)

2nd step is -star lord of A -(ur 2)

3rd step is -sublord of A

4th step is-star lord of sublord of A -(ur 3)

If you try this practically, u will get correct answer in 80% of the cases, and automatically debate will be over by ur own experience.

Thanks and regards

Dr Sheetal

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:23 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Sunialakais

I accept that there is evidence in the Reader V (Transit) for your 4 step theory.

But according to me, all the Readers were not written by Mr.KSK. In the name of Mr.KSK, someone has written. I have shown some evidence in Reader III in support of my contention. There are some more evidences in the Reader VI (Horary) in support of my contentention.

Further, there is another controversy. which one is to take? cusp's star or cusp sub's sub's star for prediction. For example,

For marriage which will decide the marriage among the following 3? Which should signify 2,7 and 11? Which should fall in fruitful sign?

1) 7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11 or

2) 7th cusp sublord' star should signify 2,7,11 or

3) 7th cusp sublord's sublord's star should signify 2,7,11

Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 8/4/08, sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star@gro ups.comMonday, August 4, 2008, 9:04 AM

dear dhanabalan,in my previous messages,i have mentioned that mylate guru,hasbe,told me that KSK was using sub's star.so you have found the example also,thanks-sunil gondhalekar@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

wrote:>> Dear members> > > Please refere page 198 of Reader V (Transit), 2004 edition under the heading "Horary New Finding".> > I reproduce the sentence," Find out the sublord of the 5th cusp.> If the sublord of the 5th cusp is deposited in any sign in any constellation, but in the sub of the significator of the houses 6 and 11 one wins most satisfactorily. Highest reward."> From this I understand that the 5th cusp sub's sub is the significator. i..e. we have to consider the 5th cusp sub's sub's star also.> > In 4 step theory, Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar has considered the 5th cusp sublord as planet(first step), star (2nd step), sub's sub (3rd step) and sub's sub's star in the 4th step.> It seems the 4 step theory is only a k.p. and there is no deviation from k.p.rule.> > Dhanabalan>

>

August 5, 2008

I use 1, " 7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11 " and found good results.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:23 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dear Sunialaka

I accept that there is evidence in the Reader V (Transit) for your 4 step theory.

But according to me, all the Readers were not written by Mr.KSK. In the name of Mr.KSK, someone has written. I have shown some evidence in Reader III in support of my contention. There are some more evidences in the Reader VI (Horary) in support of my contentention.

Further, there is another controversy. which one is to take? cusp's star or cusp sub's sub's star for prediction. For example,

For marriage which will decide the marriage among the following 3? Which should signify 2,7 and 11? Which should fall in fruitful sign?

1) 7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11 or

2) 7th cusp sublord' star should signify 2,7,11 or

3) 7th cusp sublord's sublord's star should signify 2,7,11

Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 8/4/08, sunilalaka <sunilalaka wrote:

sunilalaka <sunilalaka Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star

Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 9:04 AM

dear dhanabalan,in my previous messages,i have mentioned that mylate guru,hasbe,told me that KSK was using sub's star.so you have found the example also,thanks-sunil gondhalekar

@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

wrote:>> Dear members> > > Please refere page 198 of Reader V (Transit), 2004 edition under the heading " Horary New Finding " .> > I reproduce the sentence, " Find out the sublord of the 5th cusp.

> If the sublord of the 5th cusp is deposited in any sign in any constellation, but in the sub of the significator of the houses 6 and 11 one wins most satisfactorily. Highest reward. " > From this I understand that the 5th cusp sub's sub is the

significator. i..e. we have to consider the 5th cusp sub's sub's star also.> > In 4 step theory, Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar has considered the 5th cusp sublord as planet(first step), star (2nd step), sub's sub (3rd step)

and sub's sub's star in the 4th step.> It seems the 4 step theory is only a k.p. and there is no deviation from k.p.rule.> > Dhanabalan> >

August 5, 2008

Dear sunil gondhalekar

At present I have the Horary book in Tamil edition 2003.

Under the heading "Friend's arrival" one article is there in pages 188-191.

Incident date 9-2-1969, place: Bharathya vidya bhavan, friend came at 1.48 pm.

In that article, there was no identity about the author of the article. The content shows that as though Mr.KSK has written that article.

We have to see the latest edition in english.

Thank you

Dhanabalan

--- On Tue, 8/5/08, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote:

sunil gondhalekar <sunilalakaRe: Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:17 AM

dear dhanabalan,

i have written that readers are with the articles of kp followers.

e.g.in reader 6-Horary Astrology-page no.127,edition 1978,article

"FRIEND'S ARRRIVAL" is written by my guru,Jyotindra Hasbe"

similarly many articles may have written by KSK's followers.

That's why the conclusion will be no one has written readers in name of KSK.

KSK was knowing the auther of articles.

thanks

-sunil gondhalekar

On 8/5/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Sunialaka

I accept that there is evidence in the Reader V (Transit) for your 4 step theory.

But according to me, all the Readers were not written by Mr.KSK. In the name of Mr.KSK, someone has written. I have shown some evidence in Reader III in support of my contention. There are some more evidences in the Reader VI (Horary) in support of my contentention.

Further, there is another controversy. which one is to take? cusp's star or cusp sub's sub's star for prediction. For example,

For marriage which will decide the marriage among the following 3? Which should signify 2,7 and 11? Which should fall in fruitful sign?

1) 7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11 or

2) 7th cusp sublord' star should signify 2,7,11 or

3) 7th cusp sublord's sublord's star should signify 2,7,11

Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 8/4/08, sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star@gro ups.comMonday, August 4, 2008, 9:04 AM

dear dhanabalan,in my previous messages,i have mentioned that mylate guru,hasbe,told me that KSK was using sub's star.so you have found the example also,thanks-sunil gondhalekar@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear members> > > Please refere page 198 of Reader V (Transit), 2004 edition under the heading "Horary New Finding".> > I reproduce the sentence," Find out the sublord of the 5th cusp.> If the sublord of the 5th cusp is deposited in any sign in any constellation, but in the sub of the significator of the houses 6 and 11 one wins most satisfactorily. Highest reward."> From this I understand that the 5th cusp sub's sub is the significator. i..e. we have to consider the

5th cusp sub's sub's star also.> > In 4 step theory, Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar has considered the 5th cusp sublord as planet(first step), star (2nd step), sub's sub (3rd step) and sub's sub's star in the 4th step.> It seems the 4 step theory is only a k.p. and there is no deviation from k.p.rule.> > Dhanabalan> >

August 5, 2008

Dear Pandey

You are telling that the 7th cusp sublord should signigy 2,7 and 11 for marriage.

How you will take the significator?

a) cuspal sublord's occupation and ownership only or

b) cuspal sublord's starlord occupation and ownership only or

c) cuspal sublords occupation, ownership and sublord's starlord occupation and ownership

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:48 AM

I use 1, "7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11" and found good results.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:23 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Sunialaka

I accept that there is evidence in the Reader V (Transit) for your 4 step theory.

But according to me, all the Readers were not written by Mr.KSK. In the name of Mr.KSK, someone has written. I have shown some evidence in Reader III in support of my contention. There are some more evidences in the Reader VI (Horary) in support of my contentention.

Further, there is another controversy. which one is to take? cusp's star or cusp sub's sub's star for prediction. For example,

For marriage which will decide the marriage among the following 3? Which should signify 2,7 and 11? Which should fall in fruitful sign?

1) 7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11 or

2) 7th cusp sublord' star should signify 2,7,11 or

3) 7th cusp sublord's sublord's star should signify 2,7,11

Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 8/4/08, sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star@gro ups.comMonday, August 4, 2008, 9:04 AM

dear dhanabalan,in my previous messages,i have mentioned that mylate guru,hasbe,told me that KSK was using sub's star.so you have found the example also,thanks-sunil gondhalekar@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

wrote:>> Dear members> > > Please refere page 198 of Reader V (Transit), 2004 edition under the heading "Horary New Finding".> > I reproduce the sentence," Find out the sublord of the 5th cusp.> If the sublord of the 5th cusp is deposited in any sign in any constellation, but in the sub of the significator of the houses 6 and 11 one wins most satisfactorily. Highest reward."> From this I understand that the 5th cusp sub's sub is the significator. i..e. we have to consider the 5th cusp sub's sub's star also.> > In 4 step theory, Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar has considered the 5th cusp sublord as planet(first step), star (2nd step), sub's sub (3rd step) and sub's sub's star in the 4th step.> It seems the 4 step theory is only a k.p. and there is no deviation from k.p.rule.> > Dhanabalan>

>

August 5, 2008

Dear Dhanabalan ji,

My answer is " c " - cuspal sublords occupation, ownership and sublord's starlord occupation and ownership. This is how majority of KP astrologers calculate significators. This is also how majority of KP software calculate significators. How do you calculate significator and what is your answer to your question? -

1) 7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11 or2) 7th cusp sublord' star should signify 2,7,11 or 3) 7th cusp sublord's sublord's star should signify 2,7,11

Also what point do you want to make by asking this question?

So I have following questions for you -

1. How you calculate significator?

2. What is your answer to your question above?

3. What point of you want to make by asking this question? Or you are doing it just for the sake of survey?

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dear Pandey

You are telling that the 7th cusp sublord should signigy 2,7 and 11 for marriage.

How you will take the significator?

a) cuspal sublord's occupation and ownership only or

b) cuspal sublord's starlord occupation and ownership only or

c) cuspal sublords occupation, ownership and sublord's starlord occupation and ownership

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:48 AM

I use 1, " 7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11 " and found good results.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:23 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Sunialaka

I accept that there is evidence in the Reader V (Transit) for your 4 step theory.

But according to me, all the Readers were not written by Mr.KSK. In the name of Mr.KSK, someone has written. I have shown some evidence in Reader III in support of my contention. There are some more evidences in the Reader VI (Horary) in support of my contentention.

Further, there is another controversy. which one is to take? cusp's star or cusp sub's sub's star for prediction. For example,

For marriage which will decide the marriage among the following 3? Which should signify 2,7 and 11? Which should fall in fruitful sign?

1) 7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11 or

2) 7th cusp sublord' star should signify 2,7,11 or

3) 7th cusp sublord's sublord's star should signify 2,7,11

Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 8/4/08, sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star

@gro ups.com Monday, August 4, 2008, 9:04 AM

dear dhanabalan,in my previous messages,i have mentioned that mylate guru,hasbe,told me that KSK was using sub's star.so you have found the example also,thanks-sunil gondhalekar@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

wrote:>> Dear members> > > Please refere page 198 of Reader V (Transit), 2004 edition under the heading " Horary New Finding " .> > I reproduce the sentence, " Find out the sublord of the 5th cusp.

> If the sublord of the 5th cusp is deposited in any sign in any constellation, but in the sub of the significator of the houses 6 and 11 one wins most satisfactorily. Highest reward. " > From this I understand that the 5th cusp sub's sub is the

significator. i..e. we have to consider the 5th cusp sub's sub's star also.> > In 4 step theory, Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar has considered the 5th cusp sublord as planet(first step), star (2nd step), sub's sub (3rd step)

and sub's sub's star in the 4th step.> It seems the 4 step theory is only a k.p. and there is no deviation from k.p.rule.> > Dhanabalan> >

August 5, 2008

Dear Dhanabalan,

"Very simple Dr.Watson" !

Take all the significators applying all the suggestions you have given...

Then as per KSK's dictum the strogest among them are the ones whose star is not tenanted... !

I personally follow this method as told to all of us by KSK in person...! !

And I need not emphasise that I got excellent results...

L.Y.Rao.

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Sent: Tuesday, 5 August, 2008 11:49:42 AMRe: Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star

Dear Pandey

You are telling that the 7th cusp sublord should signigy 2,7 and 11 for marriage.

How you will take the significator?

a) cuspal sublord's occupation and ownership only or

b) cuspal sublord's starlord occupation and ownership only or

c) cuspal sublords occupation, ownership and sublord's starlord occupation and ownership

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star@gro ups.comTuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:48 AM

I use 1, "7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11" and found good results.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:23 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Sunialaka

I accept that there is evidence in the Reader V (Transit) for your 4 step theory.

But according to me, all the Readers were not written by Mr.KSK. In the name of Mr.KSK, someone has written. I have shown some evidence in Reader III in support of my contention. There are some more evidences in the Reader VI (Horary) in support of my contentention.

Further, there is another controversy. which one is to take? cusp's star or cusp sub's sub's star for prediction. For example,

For marriage which will decide the marriage among the following 3? Which should signify 2,7 and 11? Which should fall in fruitful sign?

1) 7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11 or

2) 7th cusp sublord' star should signify 2,7,11 or

3) 7th cusp sublord's sublord's star should signify 2,7,11

Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 8/4/08, sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star@gro ups.comMonday, August 4, 2008, 9:04 AM

dear dhanabalan,in my previous messages,i have mentioned that mylate guru,hasbe,told me that KSK was using sub's star.so you have found the example also,thanks-sunil gondhalekar@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

wrote:>> Dear members> > > Please refere page 198 of Reader V (Transit), 2004 edition under the heading "Horary New Finding".> > I reproduce the sentence," Find out the sublord of the 5th cusp.> If the sublord of the 5th cusp is deposited in any sign in any constellation, but in the sub of the significator of the houses 6 and 11 one wins most satisfactorily. Highest reward."> From this I understand that the 5th cusp sub's sub is the significator. i..e. we have to consider the 5th cusp sub's sub's star also.> > In 4 step theory, Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar has considered the 5th cusp sublord as planet(first step), star (2nd step), sub's sub (3rd step) and sub's sub's star in the 4th step.> It seems the 4 step theory is only a k.p. and there is no deviation from k.p.rule.> > Dhanabalan>

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Dear members, I ll explain my case regarding studies.I completed my B.tech(chemical) successfully with 65% without any breaks.Here in 4 years of study i never concentrated on my studies.I just prepared one day before the final exam only for all the subjects.I was passed with good results but not top.How this happend .my 4 th cusp sub was venus signifying 1,4,7,10,12 predominantly.in the sub wise 9,119th cusp sub saturn signifying 2,7 in the sub of 9,11Here because of 9,11 in sub level with out hardwork i succeeded in my b.teckIf my 4 th 9th cusp sub lords directly signifying 9,11 Then i ll do hardwork & i ll get more than 80% results in my bteck.I think in this way we have to judge sub and sub 's sub lordsimilarly we can apply to marriage also.Regards

varaprasad .--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 1:44 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,

My answer is "c" - cuspal sublords occupation, ownership and sublord's starlord occupation and ownership. This is how majority of KP astrologers calculate significators. This is also how majority of KP software calculate significators. How do you calculate significator and what is your answer to your question? -

1) 7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11 or2) 7th cusp sublord' star should signify 2,7,11 or 3) 7th cusp sublord's sublord's star should signify 2,7,11

Also what point do you want to make by asking this question?

So I have following questions for you -

1. How you calculate significator?

2. What is your answer to your question above?

3. What point of you want to make by asking this question? Or you are doing it just for the sake of survey?

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Pandey

You are telling that the 7th cusp sublord should signigy 2,7 and 11 for marriage.

How you will take the significator?

a) cuspal sublord's occupation and ownership only or

b) cuspal sublord's starlord occupation and ownership only or

c) cuspal sublords occupation, ownership and sublord's starlord occupation and ownership

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star @gro ups.comTuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:48 AM

I use 1, "7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11" and found good results.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:23 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Sunialaka

I accept that there is evidence in the Reader V (Transit) for your 4 step theory.

But according to me, all the Readers were not written by Mr.KSK. In the name of Mr.KSK, someone has written. I have shown some evidence in Reader III in support of my contention. There are some more evidences in the Reader VI (Horary) in support of my contentention.

Further, there is another controversy. which one is to take? cusp's star or cusp sub's sub's star for prediction. For example,

For marriage which will decide the marriage among the following 3? Which should signify 2,7 and 11? Which should fall in fruitful sign?

1) 7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11 or

2) 7th cusp sublord' star should signify 2,7,11 or

3) 7th cusp sublord's sublord's star should signify 2,7,11

Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 8/4/08, sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star

@gro ups.com Monday, August 4, 2008, 9:04 AM

dear dhanabalan,in my previous messages,i have mentioned that mylate guru,hasbe,told me that KSK was using sub's star.so you have found the example also,thanks-sunil gondhalekar@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

wrote:>> Dear members> > > Please refere page 198 of Reader V (Transit), 2004 edition under the heading "Horary New Finding".> > I reproduce the sentence," Find out the sublord of the 5th cusp.

> If the sublord of the 5th cusp is deposited in any sign in any constellation, but in the sub of the significator of the houses 6 and 11 one wins most satisfactorily. Highest reward."> From this I understand that the 5th cusp sub's sub is the

significator. i..e. we have to consider the 5th cusp sub's sub's star also.> > In 4 step theory, Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar has considered the 5th cusp sublord as planet(first step), star (2nd step), sub's sub (3rd step)

and sub's sub's star in the 4th step.> It seems the 4 step theory is only a k.p. and there is no deviation from k.p.rule.> > Dhanabalan> >

August 5, 2008

Dear yogesh Rao

In all the k.p.Readers, Astrosecret and the books written by Mr.Suramaniam and Hariharan (both english and Tamil) only the 2 steps in the 4 step theory is followed.

I have gone through the earlier messages of this group and collected about it. You might be aware of it.

I reproduce what I have collected fom this group message files.

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If person is to settle abroad, then 12th must signify 9th Travel, and 3,change of residence, and the 12th must be in a fixed Sign. If 12th cusp sub lord is occupant of fixed sign native is likely to settle at abroad or stay for longer periods.

For going abroad: 12th sublord must be a significator of 9th (long travel) or 3rd (leaving

home). If it also is connected/significator of 10th, then you go abroad for service, if to

4th then for education.

for getting a job, 10th sublord must be the significator of 6 or 2, as 6th is sucess over other competitors, 2 is for getting money. 11th is for fulfilment of hopes, wishes etc. So if 10th sub lord is also significator of 11th, you will get a job which is to your liking.

Additional information from "HORARY ASTROLOGY, KP Reader VI", pp 302-303,

1) Whether one's desire will be fuffilled early or not is to be decided from the owner of 11th house and the planets posited in it.

2) Whether one will settle permanently abroad or not is to be decided from the 12th cusp.

(a) If 12 th sublord is deposited in a common sign, he will go and come back;

(b) If it's in a movable sign, he will once for all leave the present place and never erturn;

For successful completion of education

the s/l of the IVth cusp should signify IV,IX & XI...

any connection with VIII will indicate breaks in education...and,

if the s/l of IV is Mars or Sat,connected to VIII & XII indicates he will not go to school at all...

Lower level education houses IV & XI.

Higher education IV,IX & XI.

One will submit his thesis for Ph.D. only during the conjoined period of significators of IV & IX.

If the s/l of the IXth is also a significator of XI,you will get success...

if it signifies XII you will fail,and succeed only when the period of IX & XI operates...and so on...

If the 7th Sublord signifies 2,6,10,11 own business is promised

if it signifies 7th house partnership is o.k.

In Ashtakavarga more than 30 points needed for own profession.

If 10th sub signinfies 2,6,10 and 11 service is promissed

if the s/l of VII signifies II,VII or XI...marriage is promised,and

if it signifies II,V VII & XI,then a love-marriage is promised...

If 2 Sbl signifies 5,8,12, no wealth. (Note: you may rewrite 5 or 8 or 12; 5 & 8 together is better than only 5; 5,8 & 12 together is much better than 5 & 8 together etc)

If 11 or 6 Sbl signifies 5,8,12, failure in competiotion, election, litigation, etc.

If 3 Sbl signifies 6, 11 success in appeal; if 5,12, failure.

If 10 Sbl is deposited in the Stl of significator of 1 or 5 or 9 or 12, no reappointement in service.

The houses 5,9,1 indicates suspension or dismissal (from service).

If 7 or 10 or 12 Sbl signifies 5,8,12, loss in business (partner gains).

If the sublord of the VIIth, signifies IV,VI,X or XII...it shows unhappiness in married life...

If the sublords of VII & V and their lords are all posited in fruitful signs(Cancer,Scorpio,Pisces),an early marriage is seen.

For property,the s/l of IV,should signify IV,XI & XII and also have a connection with Mars...

For a vehicle the s/l of IV should must signify II,IV & XI and have a connection with Venus... and be deposited in a moveable sign...

"planets connected with

4th house and Mars will indicate house,

4th house and Venus indicates conveyance,

4th house and Moon govern mother,

4th house and Mercury indicates education."

For property karkas are sat(for land) & mars (for constructed house.)For aquring property 4th sublord/nakhshatra lord shuold signify 4 11 12.At the same time karka should not negate ie should not signify 4 6 8 12/ 6 8 12(throgh their shblord/nakhshatralord).Result will fructify during dba of planets which signify 4 11 12.Infact 4 11 is sufficient if property is aqured w/o own investment-eg 4 8 11 for gifted property.

Is Marriage Promised?

1) "The simple rule is, note the sublord of the 7th Cusp; if the sublord is connected with 4, 6, 10th houses, one will be denied of marriage." you have to understand this rules as : 7th cuspsublord not signifies 2 or 7 or 11. and connected with 4, 6, 10th houses, one will be denied of marriage.

2) "Note the sublord of the 7th cusp. If it is a significator of house 7 or 2 or 11, marriage is promised." you have to understand this rules as : 7th cuspsublord signifies 2 or 7 or 11. and not connected with 4, 6, 10th houses, marriage is promised.

If 7th sublord is significator of house 2 or 7 or 11 then marrage is promis but when DBA will run significator of 6 or 10 (in this case you have mention as for example) then at that time divorce or sepration . And if 7th cusp not signifies 2 or 7 or 11 than marriage is denied.

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According to the INVENTOR OF KP SYSTEM, LATE SHRI K.S.KRISHNAMURTHIJI, the Cuspal Sub Lords, are the final Arbiters FOR ALL THE MATTERS relating to that Cusp. In case such Sub Lords do not have any other Planets in their Stars, then they become very powerful to give the results of the relevant Cusps for which they have taken control as Sub Lords. Here the question of Benefic or Malefic nature of Planets does not arise. As a matter of fact in KP System there is no such thing as Benefic or Malefic Planet. All Planets are Benefic and Malefic according to their disposition in the Charts. Shri KSK has beautifully defined this Benefic/Malefic matter in regarsd to Planets. As an explanation - suppose one wants to know about one's marriage prospects then, all those Planets signifying the matters of the houses 1, 2, 3, 6, 10 and 11 counted from the 7th, are good for the 7th house matters i.e., the Planets

that are ln the Sub of the significatiors of houses 7,8,9.12,4 and 5 are bendeficial to give result of this 7th house matters. Here you will notice that houses 7,8,9,12,4 and 5 are houses 1,2,3,6,10 and 11 counted from 7th. This is the way to interpret the Benefic/Maldefic Planets in a Chart as per K.P.System. I hope I have made the position clear.

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Dear Srinivasa,

Examine the Xth house for change of job or profession... If the s/l of the Xth signifies

I,V,IX. & XI then alone, is a change in Job is promised... The sublord of the Xth must

promise a change of job...else,it will never materialise.. Change will take place during

the period ruled by the significators of I,V,IX & XI...

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Dear Mr Gopalachary,

If both 7th and 10th sublord signifies 2,6,10 & 11 is it business or service. Please clarify

Good evening Sir,

If the 7th Sublord signifies 2,6,10,11 own business is promised

if it signifies 7th house partnership is o.k.

In Ashtakavarga more than 30 points needed for own profession.

If 10th sub signinfies 2,6,10 and 11 service is promissed

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DENIAL OF MERRIAGE?

Marriage is generally examined from the VIIth cusp... If the s/l of the VIIth signifies II,V,VII XI...then alone marriage is promised...

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2. As per KP 5H (12th to winning 6H) is a losing/undesirable house.

a/ If 2 Sbl signifies 5,8,12, no wealth. (Note: you may rewrite 5 or 8 or 12; 5 & 8 together is better than only 5; 5,8 & 12 together is much better than 5 & 8 together etc)(Astrosecrets & KP, Part III, p 65)

b/ If 11 or 6 Sbl signifies 5,8,12, failure in competiotion, election, litigation, etc. (Astrosecrets & KP, Part III, p 57, item 8; KP Year Book 2000, p 58, 5th is a defeat in a race)

c/ If 3 Sbl signifies 6, 11 success in appeal; if 5,12, failure. (KP Reader VI, p 168)

d/ If 10 Sbl is deposited in the Stl of significator of 1 or 5 or 9 or 12, no reappointement in service. (KP Reader VI, p 168; Astrosecrets & KP, Part III, p 50, item 5)

e/ The houses 5,9,1 indicates suspension or dismissal (from service). (KP Reader III, p 370; CR Bhatt: Nakshatra Chintamai, p 14)

f/ If 7 or 10 or 12 Sbl signifies 5,8,12, loss in business (partner gains). (KP Reader III, p 362; Astrosecrets & KP, Part I, p 192, item 3; Astrosecrets & KP, Part I, p 209, item 14; CR Bhatt: Further Lights on Nakshatra Chintamai, p 99)

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P.Shanmugam: If sublord of 4th is connected to 4-6-9-1-12 One would purchase a constructed house. Also 12th sublord should be connected to 4-6-12-9.

C.R.Bhatt : If 4th sublord signifies 4,11 or 12 then one can buy a house during joint period of significators of 4,11. or 12 And Mars or Saturn connected with 4.

K.Bhaskaran: If 4th sublord is linked to 4,9,6 & 11 + Fixed Sign then one would buy a constructed house.

I would like to know members opinion on this.

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--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:

Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1Re: Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 8:53 AM

Dear Dhanabalan,

"Very simple Dr.Watson" !

Take all the significators applying all the suggestions you have given...

Then as per KSK's dictum the strogest among them are the ones whose star is not tenanted... !

I personally follow this method as told to all of us by KSK in person...! !

And I need not emphasise that I got excellent results...

L.Y.Rao.

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comTuesday, 5 August, 2008 11:49:42 AMRe: Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star

Dear Pandey

You are telling that the 7th cusp sublord should signigy 2,7 and 11 for marriage.

How you will take the significator?

a) cuspal sublord's occupation and ownership only or

b) cuspal sublord's starlord occupation and ownership only or

c) cuspal sublords occupation, ownership and sublord's starlord occupation and ownership

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star@gro ups.comTuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:48 AM

I use 1, "7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11" and found good results.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:23 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Sunialaka

I accept that there is evidence in the Reader V (Transit) for your 4 step theory.

But according to me, all the Readers were not written by Mr.KSK. In the name of Mr.KSK, someone has written. I have shown some evidence in Reader III in support of my contention. There are some more evidences in the Reader VI (Horary) in support of my contentention.

Further, there is another controversy. which one is to take? cusp's star or cusp sub's sub's star for prediction. For example,

For marriage which will decide the marriage among the following 3? Which should signify 2,7 and 11? Which should fall in fruitful sign?

1) 7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11 or

2) 7th cusp sublord' star should signify 2,7,11 or

3) 7th cusp sublord's sublord's star should signify 2,7,11

Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 8/4/08, sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star@gro ups.comMonday, August 4, 2008, 9:04 AM

dear dhanabalan,in my previous messages,i have mentioned that mylate guru,hasbe,told me that KSK was using sub's star.so you have found the example also,thanks-sunil gondhalekar@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

wrote:>> Dear members> > > Please refere page 198 of Reader V (Transit), 2004 edition under the heading "Horary New Finding".> > I reproduce the sentence," Find out the sublord of the 5th cusp.> If the sublord of the 5th cusp is deposited in any sign in any constellation, but in the sub of the significator of the houses 6 and 11 one wins most satisfactorily. Highest reward."> From this I understand that the 5th cusp sub's sub is the significator. i..e. we have to consider the 5th cusp sub's sub's star also.> > In 4 step theory, Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar has considered the 5th cusp sublord as planet(first step), star (2nd step), sub's sub (3rd step) and sub's sub's star in the 4th step.> It seems the 4 step theory is only a k.p. and there is no deviation from k.p.rule.> > Dhanabalan>

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Dear Punit Pandey

Almost all the k.p.Readers have followed the method what you told. Mr.Subramaniam and Hariharan also written books followed the method which you are following. I accept that most of the computer software are based on this method. But in k.p.Readers, they have taken all the significators.

What Mr.KSK told. Assuming the sublord as planet(A),

if any other planet is in the star of planet(A), this planet will not give its result. Only the starlord of that planet will give the result. If any planet is occupying the ownership house of starlord then that house result will not give. Only the occupation of starlord will give the result of this house.

This is one of the method being followed in salem. But some felt that this method is not correct. So they choose to take sub's sub's occupation and ownership and sub's sub's star occupation and ownership. There is a confusion. Naturally they give different prediction for the same chart.

In 4 step method, all the above has been considered.

As I referred earlier, in ReaderV(Transit), Mr.KSK recommended to go to Cuspal subs' sub's star.

I want to know which method is correct. Not for survey. It is a practical problem.

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 8:14 AM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,

My answer is "c" - cuspal sublords occupation, ownership and sublord's starlord occupation and ownership. This is how majority of KP astrologers calculate significators. This is also how majority of KP software calculate significators. How do you calculate significator and what is your answer to your question? -

1) 7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11 or2) 7th cusp sublord' star should signify 2,7,11 or 3) 7th cusp sublord's sublord's star should signify 2,7,11

Also what point do you want to make by asking this question?

So I have following questions for you -

1. How you calculate significator?

2. What is your answer to your question above?

3. What point of you want to make by asking this question? Or you are doing it just for the sake of survey?

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Pandey

You are telling that the 7th cusp sublord should signigy 2,7 and 11 for marriage.

How you will take the significator?

a) cuspal sublord's occupation and ownership only or

b) cuspal sublord's starlord occupation and ownership only or

c) cuspal sublords occupation, ownership and sublord's starlord occupation and ownership

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star @gro ups.comTuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:48 AM

I use 1, "7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11" and found good results.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:23 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Sunialaka

I accept that there is evidence in the Reader V (Transit) for your 4 step theory.

But according to me, all the Readers were not written by Mr.KSK. In the name of Mr.KSK, someone has written. I have shown some evidence in Reader III in support of my contention. There are some more evidences in the Reader VI (Horary) in support of my contentention.

Further, there is another controversy. which one is to take? cusp's star or cusp sub's sub's star for prediction. For example,

For marriage which will decide the marriage among the following 3? Which should signify 2,7 and 11? Which should fall in fruitful sign?

1) 7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11 or

2) 7th cusp sublord' star should signify 2,7,11 or

3) 7th cusp sublord's sublord's star should signify 2,7,11

Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 8/4/08, sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star@gro ups.com Monday, August 4, 2008, 9:04 AM

dear dhanabalan,in my previous messages,i have mentioned that mylate guru,hasbe,told me that KSK was using sub's star.so you have found the example also,thanks-sunil gondhalekar@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

wrote:>> Dear members> > > Please refere page 198 of Reader V (Transit), 2004 edition under the heading "Horary New Finding".> > I reproduce the sentence," Find out the sublord of the 5th cusp.> If the sublord of the 5th cusp is deposited in any sign in any constellation, but in the sub of the significator of the houses 6 and 11 one wins most satisfactorily. Highest reward."> From this I understand that the 5th cusp sub's sub is the significator. i..e. we have to consider the 5th cusp sub's sub's star also.> > In 4 step theory, Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar has considered the 5th cusp sublord as planet(first step), star (2nd step), sub's sub (3rd step) and sub's sub's star in the 4th step.> It seems the 4 step theory is only a k.p. and there is no deviation from k.p.rule.> > Dhanabalan>

>

August 5, 2008

Dear Dhanabalan ji,

You have mentioned that -

What Mr.KSK told. Assuming the sublord as planet(A), if any other planet is in the star of planet(A), this planet will not give its result. Only the starlord of that planet will give the result. If any planet is occupying the ownership house of starlord then that house result will not give. Only the occupation of starlord will give the result of this house.

Pleas suggest where he has mentioned it? Generally in his examples, he has not followed it strictly. Reference will be appreicated.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dear Punit Pandey

Almost all the k.p.Readers have followed the method what you told. Mr.Subramaniam and Hariharan also written books followed the method which you are following. I accept that most of the computer software are based on this method. But in k.p.Readers, they have taken all the significators.

What Mr.KSK told. Assuming the sublord as planet(A),

if any other planet is in the star of planet(A), this planet will not give its result. Only the starlord of that planet will give the result. If any planet is occupying the ownership house of starlord then that house result will not give. Only the occupation of starlord will give the result of this house.

This is one of the method being followed in salem. But some felt that this method is not correct. So they choose to take sub's sub's occupation and ownership and sub's sub's star occupation and ownership. There is a confusion. Naturally they give different prediction for the same chart.

In 4 step method, all the above has been considered.

As I referred earlier, in ReaderV(Transit), Mr.KSK recommended to go to Cuspal subs' sub's star.

I want to know which method is correct. Not for survey. It is a practical problem.

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star

Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 8:14 AM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,

My answer is " c " - cuspal sublords occupation, ownership and sublord's starlord occupation and ownership. This is how majority of KP astrologers calculate significators. This is also how majority of KP software calculate significators. How do you calculate significator and what is your answer to your question? -

1) 7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11 or2) 7th cusp sublord' star should signify 2,7,11 or 3) 7th cusp sublord's sublord's star should signify 2,7,11

Also what point do you want to make by asking this question?

So I have following questions for you -

1. How you calculate significator?

2. What is your answer to your question above?

3. What point of you want to make by asking this question? Or you are doing it just for the sake of survey?

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Pandey

You are telling that the 7th cusp sublord should signigy 2,7 and 11 for marriage.

How you will take the significator?

a) cuspal sublord's occupation and ownership only or

b) cuspal sublord's starlord occupation and ownership only or

c) cuspal sublords occupation, ownership and sublord's starlord occupation and ownership

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star

@gro ups.com

Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:48 AM

I use 1, " 7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11 " and found good results.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:23 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Sunialaka

I accept that there is evidence in the Reader V (Transit) for your 4 step theory.

But according to me, all the Readers were not written by Mr.KSK. In the name of Mr.KSK, someone has written. I have shown some evidence in Reader III in support of my contention. There are some more evidences in the Reader VI (Horary) in support of my contentention.

Further, there is another controversy. which one is to take? cusp's star or cusp sub's sub's star for prediction. For example,

For marriage which will decide the marriage among the following 3? Which should signify 2,7 and 11? Which should fall in fruitful sign?

1) 7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11 or

2) 7th cusp sublord' star should signify 2,7,11 or

3) 7th cusp sublord's sublord's star should signify 2,7,11

Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 8/4/08, sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star

@gro ups.com Monday, August 4, 2008, 9:04 AM

dear dhanabalan,in my previous messages,i have mentioned that mylate guru,hasbe,told me that KSK was using sub's star.so you have found the example also,thanks-sunil gondhalekar@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

wrote:>> Dear members> > > Please refere page 198 of Reader V (Transit), 2004 edition under the heading " Horary New Finding " .> > I reproduce the sentence, " Find out the sublord of the 5th cusp.

> If the sublord of the 5th cusp is deposited in any sign in any constellation, but in the sub of the significator of the houses 6 and 11 one wins most satisfactorily. Highest reward. " > From this I understand that the 5th cusp sub's sub is the

significator. i..e. we have to consider the 5th cusp sub's sub's star also.> > In 4 step theory, Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar has considered the 5th cusp sublord as planet(first step), star (2nd step), sub's sub (3rd step)

and sub's sub's star in the 4th step.> It seems the 4 step theory is only a k.p. and there is no deviation from k.p.rule.> > Dhanabalan> >

August 5, 2008

Dear Pandey

1) Please refer page 274 of volume II(1966)(may be available in the file section twji uploaded) . I reproduce:-

“ Houses 2,5,11 are to be judged. Therefore the order is below:-

a) Planets in the star or sub of occupant of 2,5,11

b) Occupant of 2,5,11

c) Planet in the star or sub of lord of 2,5,11

d) Lord of 2,5,11

e) Those conjoined with or aspected by any of the significators.

It is important to note that if one does not get significators according to the order (a), then only the next rule should be applied and one stops at a stage when he gets atleast 3 significators. At last one is to proceed further and apply the last rule (order(e)). “

The above is self explanatory.

2) Please refer page 360 of volume II(1966) under the heading “House-vacant”

I reproduce,” If a house is not occupied at all, then the owner of the house, the planets aspecting the house, indicate the results of the house. They will get modified by the planets which conjoin or aspect the lord of the house. According to Krishnamoorthy Padhdhati, planets in the constellation of the lord of the house will bestow the matters signified by that vacant house.”

It is self explanatory

3) Mr.K.M.Subramaniam has choosen the Prime Significators accoeding to the above method in his article “the sublord speaks”.

4) The computer software in salem are giving Prime Significators in the above method only.

5) Professor Vaithialingam taught about 850 persons in the above method only. The above method is the first rule in k.p., according to salem astrologers.

6) 4 step theory is based on the above rule only. I was much pleased while going through the 4 step theory in the first time. No one has evolved a method incorporating almost all the rules of k.p.

7) In the previous mail, I asked you 3 questions. The purpose is:-

In the k.p.Readers, in some of the places it is stated as “if the sublord signifies 2,7,11..then marriage”, in some places it is stated as “if the star of sublord signifies 2,7,11..then marriage” and in some other places it is stated as “if the sublord or starlord of sublord signifies 2,7,11…then marriage”

It confuses the beginners. The beginners are under confusion, whether the sublord should occupy a fruitful sign or sub’s star should occupy a fruitful sign or both should occupy a fruitful sign.

Confusion in the K.P.Readers

Thank you

Dhanabalan

--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 10:34 AM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,

You have mentioned that -

What Mr.KSK told. Assuming the sublord as planet(A), if any other planet is in the star of planet(A), this planet will not give its result. Only the starlord of that planet will give the result. If any planet is occupying the ownership house of starlord then that house result will not give. Only the occupation of starlord will give the result of this house.

Pleas suggest where he has mentioned it? Generally in his examples, he has not followed it strictly. Reference will be appreicated.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Punit Pandey

Almost all the k.p.Readers have followed the method what you told. Mr.Subramaniam and Hariharan also written books followed the method which you are following. I accept that most of the computer software are based on this method. But in k.p.Readers, they have taken all the significators.

What Mr.KSK told. Assuming the sublord as planet(A),

if any other planet is in the star of planet(A), this planet will not give its result. Only the starlord of that planet will give the result. If any planet is occupying the ownership house of starlord then that house result will not give. Only the occupation of starlord will give the result of this house.

This is one of the method being followed in salem. But some felt that this method is not correct. So they choose to take sub's sub's occupation and ownership and sub's sub's star occupation and ownership. There is a confusion. Naturally they give different prediction for the same chart.

In 4 step method, all the above has been considered.

As I referred earlier, in ReaderV(Transit) , Mr.KSK recommended to go to Cuspal subs' sub's star.

I want to know which method is correct. Not for survey. It is a practical problem.

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star@gro ups.comTuesday, August 5, 2008, 8:14 AM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,

My answer is "c" - cuspal sublords occupation, ownership and sublord's starlord occupation and ownership. This is how majority of KP astrologers calculate significators. This is also how majority of KP software calculate significators. How do you calculate significator and what is your answer to your question? -

1) 7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11 or2) 7th cusp sublord' star should signify 2,7,11 or 3) 7th cusp sublord's sublord's star should signify 2,7,11

Also what point do you want to make by asking this question?

So I have following questions for you -

1. How you calculate significator?

2. What is your answer to your question above?

3. What point of you want to make by asking this question? Or you are doing it just for the sake of survey?

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Pandey

You are telling that the 7th cusp sublord should signigy 2,7 and 11 for marriage.

How you will take the significator?

a) cuspal sublord's occupation and ownership only or

b) cuspal sublord's starlord occupation and ownership only or

c) cuspal sublords occupation, ownership and sublord's starlord occupation and ownership

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star

@gro ups.com

Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:48 AM

I use 1, "7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11" and found good results.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:23 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Sunialaka

I accept that there is evidence in the Reader V (Transit) for your 4 step theory.

But according to me, all the Readers were not written by Mr.KSK. In the name of Mr.KSK, someone has written. I have shown some evidence in Reader III in support of my contention. There are some more evidences in the Reader VI (Horary) in support of my contentention.

Further, there is another controversy. which one is to take? cusp's star or cusp sub's sub's star for prediction. For example,

For marriage which will decide the marriage among the following 3? Which should signify 2,7 and 11? Which should fall in fruitful sign?

1) 7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11 or

2) 7th cusp sublord' star should signify 2,7,11 or

3) 7th cusp sublord's sublord's star should signify 2,7,11

Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 8/4/08, sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star@gro ups.com Monday, August 4, 2008, 9:04 AM

dear dhanabalan,in my previous messages,i have mentioned that mylate guru,hasbe,told me that KSK was using sub's star.so you have found the example also,thanks-sunil gondhalekar@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

wrote:>> Dear members> > > Please refere page 198 of Reader V (Transit), 2004 edition under the heading "Horary New Finding".> > I reproduce the sentence," Find out the sublord of the 5th cusp.> If the sublord of the 5th cusp is deposited in any sign in any constellation, but in the sub of the significator of the houses 6 and 11 one wins most satisfactorily. Highest reward."> From this I understand that the 5th cusp sub's sub is the significator. i..e. we have to consider the 5th cusp sub's sub's star also.> > In 4 step theory, Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar has considered the 5th cusp sublord as planet(first step), star (2nd step), sub's sub (3rd step) and sub's sub's star in the 4th step.> It seems the 4 step theory is only a k.p. and there is no deviation from k.p.rule.> > Dhanabalan>

>

August 5, 2008

Mr. Dhanabalan,The article "Friend's arrival" was written by Shri Jyotindra Hasbe. He was a student of Shri KSK. He lived in Dombivli near Mumbai. He was instrumental in popularizing KP in Maharashtra.This particular article was published in the October 1969 issue of the magazine ASTROLOGY AND ATHRISHTA and was later included in the book Horary Astrology. Shri Hasbe considered this a great honour which it rightly was.Sandeep Patel

August 6, 2008

hi varaprasad,

will you give your birth details ?

regards

hs nagi--- On Tue, 8/5/08, varaprasad yarlagadda <prasadgoud77 wrote:

varaprasad yarlagadda <prasadgoud77Re: Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 2:27 AM

Dear members, I ll explain my case regarding studies.I completed my B.tech(chemical) successfully with 65% without any breaks.Here in 4 years of study i never concentrated on my studies.I just prepared one day before the final exam only for all the subjects.I was passed with good results but not top.How this happend .my 4 th cusp sub was venus signifying 1,4,7,10,12 predominantly. in the sub wise 9,119th cusp sub saturn signifying 2,7 in the sub of 9,11Here because of 9,11 in sub level with out hardwork i succeeded in my b.teckIf my 4 th 9th cusp sub lords directly signifying 9,11 Then i ll do hardwork & i ll get more than 80% results in my bteck.I think in this way we have to judge sub and sub 's sub lordsimilarly we can apply to marriage also.Regards varaprasad .--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT)

com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star@gro ups.comTuesday, August 5, 2008, 1:44 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,

My answer is "c" - cuspal sublords occupation, ownership and sublord's starlord occupation and ownership. This is how majority of KP astrologers calculate significators. This is also how majority of KP software calculate significators. How do you calculate significator and what is your answer to your question? -

1) 7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11 or2) 7th cusp sublord' star should signify 2,7,11 or 3) 7th cusp sublord's sublord's star should signify 2,7,11

Also what point do you want to make by asking this question?

So I have following questions for you -

1. How you calculate significator?

2. What is your answer to your question above?

3. What point of you want to make by asking this question? Or you are doing it just for the sake of survey?

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Pandey

You are telling that the 7th cusp sublord should signigy 2,7 and 11 for marriage.

How you will take the significator?

a) cuspal sublord's occupation and ownership only or

b) cuspal sublord's starlord occupation and ownership only or

c) cuspal sublords occupation, ownership and sublord's starlord occupation and ownership

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star @gro ups.comTuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:48 AM

I use 1, "7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11" and found good results.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:23 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Sunialaka

I accept that there is evidence in the Reader V (Transit) for your 4 step theory.

But according to me, all the Readers were not written by Mr.KSK. In the name of Mr.KSK, someone has written. I have shown some evidence in Reader III in support of my contention. There are some more evidences in the Reader VI (Horary) in support of my contentention.

Further, there is another controversy. which one is to take? cusp's star or cusp sub's sub's star for prediction. For example,

For marriage which will decide the marriage among the following 3? Which should signify 2,7 and 11? Which should fall in fruitful sign?

1) 7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11 or

2) 7th cusp sublord' star should signify 2,7,11 or

3) 7th cusp sublord's sublord's star should signify 2,7,11

Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 8/4/08, sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star@gro ups.com Monday, August 4, 2008, 9:04 AM

dear dhanabalan,in my previous messages,i have mentioned that mylate guru,hasbe,told me that KSK was using sub's star.so you have found the example also,thanks-sunil gondhalekar@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

wrote:>> Dear members> > > Please refere page 198 of Reader V (Transit), 2004 edition under the heading "Horary New Finding".> > I reproduce the sentence," Find out the sublord of the 5th cusp.> If the sublord of the 5th cusp is deposited in any sign in any constellation, but in the sub of the significator of the houses 6 and 11 one wins most satisfactorily. Highest reward."> From this I understand that the 5th cusp sub's sub is the significator. i..e. we have to consider the 5th cusp sub's sub's star also.> > In 4 step theory, Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar has considered the 5th cusp sublord as planet(first step), star (2nd step), sub's sub (3rd step) and sub's sub's star in the 4th step.> It seems the 4 step theory is only a k.p. and there is no deviation from k.p.rule.> > Dhanabalan>

>

August 6, 2008

Dear sandeep

In the latest edition of Horary k.p.Reader, whether his name is included in the article. i.e. Whether the author of this article is revealed in the Reader.

In the latest edition in Tamil, the author of this article is not revealed.

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 8/5/08, sandeep patel <sandeeppatel21 wrote:

sandeep patel <sandeeppatel21 Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 6:20 PM

Mr. Dhanabalan,The article "Friend's arrival" was written by Shri Jyotindra Hasbe. He was a student of Shri KSK. He lived in Dombivli near Mumbai. He was instrumental in popularizing KP in Maharashtra.This particular article was published in the October 1969 issue of the magazine ASTROLOGY AND ATHRISHTA and was later included in the book Horary Astrology. Shri Hasbe considered this a great honour which it rightly was.Sandeep Patel

August 6, 2008

Regarding the meaning of "Source" and "Nature", pl refer the "Role of Sub" in pp 1-7 of the orginal KP Vol. 2, 1966 or KP Reader, original version of 1971, Theorectical Part pp 59-66 or revised version pp 62-70 (particulary p 68-69) and the Msg#18415 is found in this line of thinking.

, "Suprakash Ghosh" <suprakash.ghosh wrote:>> Dear TWji> > I still can not grasp the real meaning of "Source" and> "Nature".> > When applied to a planet, it may mean the Planet itself as source (i.e> the planet will fructify an event in its Dasa-Bhukti-Antara etc).> "Nature" means the what event it will trigger in its D-B-A period. So> far is good.> > But when we apply this dictum on a cusp, what does it mean?> > Regards> > Suprakash > > > On> Behalf Of tw853> Tuesday, August 05, 2008 9:04 AM> > Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's> star> > By taking the 7th cusp sub lord as a planet, follow the following rule> to judge whether it is a significator of 1, 7 or 11 house:> > "The planet is the source, constellation indicates nature of the result> and the sub is a "deciding factor" whether the matter is favorable or> not."> - Krishnamurti Padhdhati, Vol. 2, 1966, p 41> > > > , Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@> wrote:> >> > Dear Sunialaka> > > > I accept that there is evidence in the Reader V (Transit) for your 4> step theory.> > But according to me, all the Readers were not written by Mr.KSK. In> the name of Mr.KSK, someone has written. I have shown some evidence in> Reader III in support of my contention. There are some more evidences in> the Reader VI (Horary) in support of my contentention. > > > > Further, there is another controversy. which one is to take? cusp's> star or cusp sub's sub's star for prediction. For example,> > > > For marriage which will decide the marriage among the following 3?> Which should signify 2,7 and 11? Which should fall in fruitful sign?> > > > 1) 7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11 or> > 2) 7th cusp sublord' star should signify 2,7,11 or > > 3) 7th cusp sublord's sublord's star should si gnify 2,7,11> > > > Dhanabalan> > > > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, sunilalaka sunilalaka@ wrote:> > > > sunilalaka sunilalaka@> > Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's> star> > > > Monday, August 4, 2008, 9:04 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear dhanabalan,> > in my previous messages,i have mentioned that my> > late guru,hasbe,told me that KSK was using sub's star.> > so you have found the example also,thanks> > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> > > wrote:> > >> > > Dear members> > > > > > > > > Please refere page 198 of Reader V (Transit), 2004 edition under > > the heading "Horary New Finding".> > > > > > I reproduce the sentence," Find out the subl ord of the 5th cusp.> > > If the sublord of the 5th cusp is deposited in any sign in any > > constellation, but in the sub of the significator of the houses 6 > > and 11 one wins most satisfactorily. Highest reward."> > > From this I understand that the 5th cusp sub's sub is the > > significator. i..e. we have to consider the 5th cusp sub's sub's > > star also.> > > > > > In 4 step theory, Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar has considered the 5th cusp > > sublord as planet(first step), star (2nd step), sub's sub (3rd step) > > and sub's sub's star in the 4th step.> > > It seems the 4 step theory is only a k.p. and there is no > > deviation from k.p.rule.> > > > > > Dhanabalan> > > > > >> >>

August 6, 2008

To

all

It

appears from page 274 of Old edition (Picture 002 ,file

section) that KSK also considered a planet in sub of a significator

is also a significator. Here the role of sub is more

related to signification of

a particular bhava and also a " deciding factor " .

May

be sub level signification is the most strong signification of a planet. It

means, even if the star level signifies adverse houses, only good sublevel

signification changes the overall signification

of a planet from bad (star level) to favourable.

If

this is so, what is the need to see the star level signification?

Suprakash

On Behalf

Of tw853

Tuesday, August 05, 2008 9:04 AM

Re: Which is

correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star

By taking the 7th cusp sub lord as a planet, follow the following rule

to judge whether it is a significator of 1, 7 or 11 house:

" The planet is the source, constellation indicates nature of

the result and the sub is a " deciding factor " whether the matter is

favorable or not. "

- Krishnamurti Padhdhati, Vol.

2, 1966, p 41

, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

>

> Dear Sunialaka

>

> I accept that there is evidence in the Reader V (Transit) for your 4 step

theory.

> But according to me, all the Readers were not written by Mr.KSK. In the

name of Mr.KSK, someone has written. I have shown some evidence in Reader III

in support of my contention. There are some more evidences in the Reader VI

(Horary) in support of my contentention.

>

> Further, there is another controversy. which one is to take? cusp's star

or cusp sub's sub's star for prediction. For example,

>

> For marriage which will decide the marriage among the following 3? Which

should signify 2,7 and 11? Which should fall in fruitful sign?

>

> 1) 7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11 or

> 2) 7th cusp sublord' star should signify 2,7,11 or

> 3) 7th cusp sublord's sublord's star should si gnify 2,7,11

>

> Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Mon, 8/4/08,

sunilalaka sunilalaka wrote:

>

> sunilalaka sunilalaka

> Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star

>

> Monday, August 4, 2008,

9:04 AM

>

> dear dhanabalan,

> in my previous messages,i have mentioned that my

> late guru,hasbe,told me that KSK was using sub's star.

> so you have found the example also,thanks

> -sunil gondhalekar

>

> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear members

> >

> > Please refere page 198 of Reader V (Transit), 2004 edition under

> the heading " Horary New Finding " .

> >

> > I reproduce the sentence, " Find out the subl ord of the 5th

cusp.

> > If the sublord of the 5th cusp is deposited in any sign in any

> constellation, but in the sub of the significator of the houses 6

> and 11 one wins most satisfactorily. Highest reward. "

> > From this I understand that the 5th cusp sub's sub is the

> significator. i..e. we have to consider the 5th cusp sub's sub's

> star also.

> >

> > In 4 step theory, Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar has considered the 5th cusp

> sublord as planet(first step), star (2nd step), sub's sub (3rd step)

> and sub's sub's star in the 4th step.

> > It seems the 4 step theory is only a k.p. and there is no

> deviation from k.p.rule.

> >

> > Dhanabalan

> >

>

August 6, 2008

If the indication at the star level is general, the sub makes it

specific. If a planet is in the star of the occupant of the 2nd

house of finance, but in the sub of occupant of the 12th house of

loss, the result will be financial loss. If the sub lord is a strong

significator of 11th house of gain, it is the indication of

financial gain. If the sub lord is a strong significator of 6th

house of loan, there will be financial gain through borrowing.

, " Suprakash Ghosh "

<suprakash.ghosh wrote:

>

> To all

>

> It appears from page 274 of Old edition (Picture

002 ,file

> section) that KSK also considered a planet in sub of a

significator is

> also a significator. Here the role of sub is more related to

> signification of a particular bhava and also a " deciding

factor " .

>

> May be sub level signification is the most strong

> signification of a planet. It means, even if the star level

signifies

> adverse houses, only good sublevel signification changes the

overall

> signification of a planet from bad (star level) to favourable.

>

> If this is so, what is the need to see the star level

> signification?

>

> Suprakash

>

On

> Behalf Of tw853

> Tuesday, August 05, 2008 9:04 AM

>

> Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's

sub's

> star

>

> By taking the 7th cusp sub lord as a planet, follow the following

rule

> to judge whether it is a significator of 1, 7 or 11 house:

>

> " The planet is the source, constellation indicates nature of the

result

> and the sub is a " deciding factor " whether the matter is favorable

or

> not. "

> - Krishnamurti Padhdhati, Vol. 2, 1966, p 41

>

> , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunialaka

> >

> > I accept that there is evidence in the Reader V (Transit) for

your 4

> step theory.

> > But according to me, all the Readers were not written by Mr.KSK.

In

> the name of Mr.KSK, someone has written. I have shown some

evidence in

> Reader III in support of my contention. There are some more

evidences in

> the Reader VI (Horary) in support of my contentention.

> >

> > Further, there is another controversy. which one is to take?

cusp's

> star or cusp sub's sub's star for prediction. For example,

> >

> > For marriage which will decide the marriage among the following

3?

> Which should signify 2,7 and 11? Which should fall in fruitful

sign?

> >

> > 1) 7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11 or

> > 2) 7th cusp sublord' star should signify 2,7,11 or

> > 3) 7th cusp sublord's sublord's star should si gnify 2,7,11

> >

> > Dhanabalan

> >

> > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, sunilalaka sunilalaka@ wrote:

> >

> > sunilalaka sunilalaka@

> > Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's

sub's

> star

> >

> > Monday, August 4, 2008, 9:04 AM

> >

> > dear dhanabalan,

> > in my previous messages,i have mentioned that my

> > late guru,hasbe,told me that KSK was using sub's star.

> > so you have found the example also,thanks

> > -sunil gondhalekar

> >

> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R

<r.dhanabalan@ ...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear members

> > >

> > > Please refere page 198 of Reader V (Transit), 2004 edition

under

> > the heading " Horary New Finding " .

> > >

> > > I reproduce the sentence, " Find out the subl ord of the 5th

cusp.

> > > If the sublord of the 5th cusp is deposited in any sign in any

> > constellation, but in the sub of the significator of the houses

6

> > and 11 one wins most satisfactorily. Highest reward. "

> > > From this I understand that the 5th cusp sub's sub is the

> > significator. i..e. we have to consider the 5th cusp sub's sub's

> > star also.

> > >

> > > In 4 step theory, Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar has considered the 5th

cusp

> > sublord as planet(first step), star (2nd step), sub's sub (3rd

step)

> > and sub's sub's star in the 4th step.

> > > It seems the 4 step theory is only a k.p. and there is no

> > deviation from k.p.rule.

> > >

> > > Dhanabalan

> > >

> >

>

August 6, 2008

hi hardeep singh,my birth details :09-december-197710:54 amrajahmundryRegardsvaraprasad.y--- On Wed, 8/6/08, hardeep singh <bkhardeep wrote:hardeep singh <bkhardeepRe: Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 5:45 AM

hi varaprasad,

will you give your birth details ?

regards

hs nagi--- On Tue, 8/5/08, varaprasad yarlagadda <prasadgoud77@ > wrote:

varaprasad yarlagadda <prasadgoud77@ >Re: Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star@gro ups.comTuesday, August 5, 2008, 2:27 AM

Dear members, I ll explain my case regarding studies.I completed my B.tech(chemical) successfully with 65% without any breaks.Here in 4 years of study i never concentrated on my studies.I just prepared one day before the final exam only for all the subjects.I was passed with good results but not top.How this happend .my 4 th cusp sub was venus signifying 1,4,7,10,12 predominantly. in the sub wise 9,119th cusp sub saturn signifying 2,7 in the sub of 9,11Here because of 9,11 in sub level with out hardwork i succeeded in my b.teckIf my 4 th 9th cusp sub lords directly signifying 9,11 Then i ll do hardwork & i ll get more than 80% results in my bteck.I think in this way we have to judge sub and sub 's sub lordsimilarly we can apply to marriage also.Regards varaprasad .--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT)

com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star@gro ups.comTuesday, August 5, 2008, 1:44 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,

My answer is "c" - cuspal sublords occupation, ownership and sublord's starlord occupation and ownership. This is how majority of KP astrologers calculate significators. This is also how majority of KP software calculate significators. How do you calculate significator and what is your answer to your question? -

1) 7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11 or2) 7th cusp sublord' star should signify 2,7,11 or 3) 7th cusp sublord's sublord's star should signify 2,7,11

Also what point do you want to make by asking this question?

So I have following questions for you -

1. How you calculate significator?

2. What is your answer to your question above?

3. What point of you want to make by asking this question? Or you are doing it just for the sake of survey?

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Pandey

You are telling that the 7th cusp sublord should signigy 2,7 and 11 for marriage.

How you will take the significator?

a) cuspal sublord's occupation and ownership only or

b) cuspal sublord's starlord occupation and ownership only or

c) cuspal sublords occupation, ownership and sublord's starlord occupation and ownership

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star @gro ups.comTuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:48 AM

I use 1, "7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11" and found good results.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:23 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Sunialaka

I accept that there is evidence in the Reader V (Transit) for your 4 step theory.

But according to me, all the Readers were not written by Mr.KSK. In the name of Mr.KSK, someone has written. I have shown some evidence in Reader III in support of my contention. There are some more evidences in the Reader VI (Horary) in support of my contentention.

Further, there is another controversy. which one is to take? cusp's star or cusp sub's sub's star for prediction. For example,

For marriage which will decide the marriage among the following 3? Which should signify 2,7 and 11? Which should fall in fruitful sign?

1) 7th cusp sublord should signify 2,7,11 or

2) 7th cusp sublord' star should signify 2,7,11 or

3) 7th cusp sublord's sublord's star should signify 2,7,11

Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 8/4/08, sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star@gro ups.com Monday, August 4, 2008, 9:04 AM

dear dhanabalan,in my previous messages,i have mentioned that mylate guru,hasbe,told me that KSK was using sub's star.so you have found the example also,thanks-sunil gondhalekar@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

wrote:>> Dear members> > > Please refere page 198 of Reader V (Transit), 2004 edition under the heading "Horary New Finding".> > I reproduce the sentence," Find out the sublord of the 5th cusp.> If the sublord of the 5th cusp is deposited in any sign in any constellation, but in the sub of the significator of the houses 6 and 11 one wins most satisfactorily. Highest reward."> From this I understand that the 5th cusp sub's sub is the significator. i..e. we have to consider the 5th cusp sub's sub's star also.> > In 4 step theory, Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar has considered the 5th cusp sublord as planet(first step), star (2nd step), sub's sub (3rd step) and sub's sub's star in the 4th step.> It seems the 4 step theory is only a k.p. and there is no deviation from k.p.rule.> > Dhanabalan>

>

August 6, 2008

Dear Dhanabalan,

Pl. refer to the Millennium Issue of K.P. & Astrology...

There are two articles,one each by K.Bhaskaran & Mr.A.R. Balan...Pp 88-95

Both have extensively advocated the use of the star in which the relevant sub-lord is posited in...for finer differentiation ... !

If I am not mistaken,Mr.A.R.Balan in his enlightening article "Karma Yogam and Cuspal Beginnings", K.P. & Astrology, Millennium Issue,Pp 92-95, had informed us that the CUSPAL INTERLINKS THEORY...was being perfected,(later perfected) by Mr.K.Bhaskaran...one of his brilliant student ...

In the same issue,late Dr.K.R.Kar had first introduced Day Rise Planetary Effect... and given more real life examples of his now famous, sub-sub theory...

Guruji KSK had also,in passing,referred to the linkages between cusps and The Madurai Group of Astrologers had done some remarkable work,painstakingly,remember without the help of computers...manually...

The late Mr.M.P. Shanmugham had also devoted a separate chapter on the TRIGONS,in his book, and also described how to decipher one's Fate and Fortune in Past and Future Births...

The Original book's first II parts were writen by Mr.Shanmugham and Edited by K.Subramaniam,and after his death Mr.Subramaniam,I'm told,bought off the rights to his book and became the Author and Publisher,and later also launched Part III...

The above is in connection with your comments on the use of only the sub-lord by KSK...contrary to your belief,KSK had taught his students about the star of the sub, the sub-sub and planted a seed of inquiry in their minds...to carry on further Research...

L.Y.Rao

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Sent: Tuesday, 5 August, 2008 3:02:43 PMRe: Re: Which is correct? sub's star or sub's sub's star

Dear yogesh Rao

In all the k.p.Readers, Astrosecret and the books written by Mr.Suramaniam and Hariharan (both english and Tamil) only the 2 steps in the 4 step theory is followed.

I have gone through the earlier messages of this group and collected about it. You might be aware of it.

I reproduce what I have collected fom this group message files.

------------ --------- --------- --------- ------

If person is to settle abroad, then 12th must signify 9th Travel, and 3,change of residence, and the 12th must be in a fixed Sign. If 12th cusp sub lord is occupant of fixed sign native is likely to settle at abroad or stay for longer periods.

For going abroad: 12th sublord must be a significator of 9th (long travel) or 3rd (leaving

home). If it also is connected/significa tor of 10th, then you go abroad for service, if to

4th then for education.

for getting a job, 10th sublord must be the significator of 6 or 2, as 6th is sucess over other competitors, 2 is for getting money. 11th is for fulfilment of hopes, wishes etc. So if 10th sub lord is also significator of 11th, you will get a job which is to your liking.

Additional information from "HORARY ASTROLOGY, KP Reader VI", pp 302-303,

1) Whether one's desire will be fuffilled early or not is to be decided from the owner of 11th house and the planets posited in it.

2) Whether one will settle permanently abroad or not is to be decided from the 12th cusp.

(a) If 12 th sublord is deposited in a common sign, he will go and come back;

(b) If it's in a movable sign, he will once for all leave the present place and never erturn;

For successful completion of education

the s/l of the IVth cusp should signify IV,IX & XI...

any connection with VIII will indicate breaks in education... and,