4 step method

September 2, 2008

Dear 4 step lovers

No one has cleared my doubt on 4 step method. So I have stopped my further study on 4 step. Can any one clear my following doubts without telling to read the 4 step book.

Mr.Gondhalekar said that further judging(chain) of Rahu/Ketu¢s signlord are to be discarded. (i.e. considering the aspecting and conjoined planets of signlord). What I understand from Mr.Gondhalekar¢s message is that there is no further judging of signlord/starlord of Rahu/Ketu. No further judging of aspecting and conjoined planets in all the four steps.

Mr.Tin Win has raised a doubt whether further judging of starlord of Rahu/Ketu also are to be discarded. (i.e. considering the aspecting and conjoined planets of starlord). His doubt is not yet clarified by Mr.Gondhalekar.

I have raised a doubt that further judging of aspecting and conjoined planets for all planets in all the four steps are to be discarded. (i.e. considering the aspecting planets of aspecting planet, conjoined planets of conjoined planet, etc.)

Dhanabalan

September 4, 2008

dear dhanabalan,

reply in bold letters

thanks

-sunil gondhalekar

On 9/2/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dear 4 step lovers No one has cleared my doubt on 4 step method. So I have stopped my further study on 4 step. Can any one clear my following doubts without telling to read the 4 step book.

reply: which doubts?can you clear?to study 4 step or not is depends on indivisuals and not compulsory to members.

Mr.Gondhalekar said that further judging(chain) of Rahu/Ketu's signlord are to be discarded. (i.e. considering the aspecting and conjoined planets of signlord). What I understand from Mr.Gondhalekar's message is that there is no further judging of signlord/starlord of Rahu/Ketu. No further judging of aspecting and conjoined planets in all the four steps. reply:i have mentioned that nodes signlord are not be judged again.i have not replied that it shud not be judged in all four steps.

Mr.Tin Win has raised a doubt whether further judging of starlord of Rahu/Ketu also are to be discarded. (i.e. considering the aspecting and conjoined planets of starlord). His doubt is not yet clarified by Mr.Gondhalekar. reply:the reply is already given in message.pls.check it.

I have raised a doubt that further judging of aspecting and conjoined planets for all planets in all the four steps are to be discarded. (i.e. considering the aspecting planets of aspecting planet, conjoined planets of conjoined planet, etc.) reply:planets and nodes are different.rules are mentioned for planets as wel as for nodes clearly.

Dhanabalan

September 10, 2008

Dear 4 step lovers,

Referring Msg#18929 (not yet answered)/19019/19284,

1. In the application of 4 step, the primary significators by the

special rules of conj & aspt of planets are to be taken as per the

special rules in the 4 step book and explained in the guide. If one

has doubt, they cannot be taken into account, as 7th aspect is not

considered by a well known practitioner.

2. No restriction for conj & aspt relating Rahu/ Ketu is mentioned in

the 4 step book, except the recent explanation that conj & aspt not

to be applied to the signlord of Rahu/Ketu, for being the last

preference of the signification of Rahu/Ketu.

3. In this regard, it is worthy to note that it is not to take the

primary significator(s) of the signlord of Rahu/Ketu, if it is

opposite to the signification of conj or aspt or starlord of

Rahu/Ketu (4 step book pages 41-42), in other words to take the

signification of conj or aspt or starlord of Rahu/Ketu only. (4 step

book pages 41-42) (The results of the conjoined or aspecting planets

or star-lord (when Rahu/Ketu is a primary significator) should be

given first priority, then the sign-lord can not give its results.--

4 step guide guide point 7)

4. Since the aspect of Rahu's conj. planet Saturn 's aspt on cusps

are taken in page 28 of 4 step book, it is to take the coj & aspt of

starlord of Rahu/Ketu unless the authority of 4 step says differently.

This is the attempt to get clarification for 4 step lovers, not any

doubt, which is a different story.

Regards,

tw

, " sunil gondhalekar "

<sunilalaka wrote:

>

> dear dhanabalan,

> reply in bold letters

> thanks

> -sunil gondhalekar

>

> On 9/2/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

> >

> > Dear 4 step lovers

> >

> > No one has cleared my doubt on 4 step method. So I have stopped

my further

> > study on 4 step. Can any one clear my following doubts without

telling to

> > read the 4 step book.

> >

> > *reply:* *which doubts?can you clear?to study 4 step or not is

depends on

> > indivisuals and not compulsory to members.*

> >

> > Mr.Gondhalekar said that further judging(chain) of Rahu/Ketu's

signlord are

> > to be discarded. (i.e. considering the aspecting and conjoined

planets of

> > signlord). What I understand from Mr.Gondhalekar's message is

that there is

> > no further judging of signlord/starlord of Rahu/Ketu. No further

judging of

> > aspecting and conjoined planets in all the four steps.

> >

> > *reply:i have mentioned that nodes * *signlord are not be judged

again.i

> > have not replied that it shud not be judged in all four steps.*

> >

> > Mr.Tin Win has raised a doubt whether further judging of starlord

of

> > Rahu/Ketu also are to be discarded. (i.e. considering the

aspecting and

> > conjoined planets of starlord). His doubt is not yet clarified by

> > Mr.Gondhalekar.

> >

> > *reply:the reply is already given in message.pls.check it.*

> >

> > I have raised a doubt that further judging of aspecting and

conjoined

> > planets for all planets in all the four steps are to be

discarded. (i.e.

> > considering the aspecting planets of aspecting planet, conjoined

planets of

> > conjoined planet, etc.)

> >

> > *reply:planets and nodes are different.rules are mentioned for

planets

> > as wel as for nodes clearly.*

> >

> > Dhanabalan

> >

>

September 12, 2008

Dear Tin Win

Thank you for your clarification for my doubt. I understand what you want to convey to me.

But Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar is differing from his book.

For me, you have posted 4 step significators as per KPAstro 3.0 which is under reference (1).

Planet Mo+: 9; Asp 4; Cnj 10 Starlord of Mo is Ma: 12; 4-11; Asp Me(7); Asp 3; Asp 6; Cnj 12 Sublord of Mo is Su: Starlord of Su is Me: 7; Asp by Ma(12, 4-11, Asp 3, Asp 6, Cnj 12)

Mr.Gondhalekar also posted the significator for MOON which is under reference (2).

PLANET : MOONItself :----------- --- Moon:- (9) Cusp Yuti: (10) It's N.Swami :-------- Mars:- (12) (4) (11) Cusp Yuti: (12) It's Sub :----------- - Sun:- 7 8 It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Mercury:- (7) 6 7 9 Itself aspects :------ 5

The significator for Moon in KPASTRO 3.0 differs from Mr.Gondhalekar. Please explain why the difference is?

Dhanabalan

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Reference (1)

4 Step Significators (KPAstro 3.0) Printed on: August 18 2008 Empty houses: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 11 Planets with no planets in their stars (+): Mo, Sa Planets in own stars (*): Ju Mo conj 10 Ma conj 12 Ve conj 9 Sa conj 10 Ke conj Ju Me is aspected by Ma Ra is aspected by Ju Mo aspects 4 Ma aspects 3, 6 Ve aspects 3 Sa aspects 4 Planet Mo+: 9; Asp 4; Cnj 10 Starlord of Mo is Ma: 12; 4-11; Asp Me(7); Asp 3; Asp 6; Cnj 12 Sublord of Mo is Su: Starlord of Su is Me: 7; Asp by Ma(12, 4-11, Asp 3, Asp 6, Cnj 12)

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Reference (2)

Re: Contribution of planets to the houses

Friday, August 22, 2008 11:58 AM

"sunil gondhalekar" <sunilalaka

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dear dhanabalan,

your quoted incidents were in saturn dasa,jupiter bhukti and rahu anatara.i have already analysed jupiter.

now about saturn.it is as follows

PLANET : SATURNItself :----------- --- Saturn:- (10) (2) Cusp Yuti: (10) It's N.Swami :-------- Rahu:- (12) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (6) (1) (3) 12It's Sub :----------- - Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 Itself aspects :------ 5 1 8saturn indicates 12 th,6th and due to starlord of rahu 8-9 houses.

now about anatara of rahu.

i always says that rahu is blemish planet.anatara of rahu created big

problems in your life.

another interesting point in your chart is conjunction of hershal with mercury.

your arrest was in moon pran dasa.its signification

PLANET : MOONItself :----------- --- Moon:- (9) Cusp Yuti: (10) It's N.Swami :-------- Mars:- (12) (4) (11) Cusp Yuti: (12) It's Sub :----------- - Sun:- 7 8 It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Mercury:- (7) 6 7 9 Itself aspects :------ 5on 4th step mercury conjunts hershal.this conjunction with hershal sent you in jail because of your writing

(karaka planet for writing matters).

hope you and 4 step lovers will satisfy from this message.

-sunil gondhalekarOn 8/21/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: --- On Wed, 9/10/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

tw853 <tw853 Re: 4 step method Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 1:10 PM

Dear 4 step lovers,Referring Msg#18929 (not yet answered)/19019/ 19284,1. In the application of 4 step, the primary significators by the special rules of conj & aspt of planets are to be taken as per the special rules in the 4 step book and explained in the guide. If one has doubt, they cannot be taken into account, as 7th aspect is not considered by a well known practitioner. 2. No restriction for conj & aspt relating Rahu/ Ketu is mentioned in the 4 step book, except the recent explanation that conj & aspt not to be applied to the signlord of Rahu/Ketu, for being the last preference of the signification of Rahu/Ketu. 3. In this regard, it is worthy to note that it is not to take the primary significator( s) of the signlord of Rahu/Ketu, if it is opposite to the signification of conj or aspt or starlord of Rahu/Ketu (4 step book pages 41-42), in other words to take

the signification of conj or aspt or starlord of Rahu/Ketu only. (4 step book pages 41-42) (The results of the conjoined or aspecting planets or star-lord (when Rahu/Ketu is a primary significator) should be given first priority, then the sign-lord can not give its results.-- 4 step guide guide point 7) 4. Since the aspect of Rahu's conj. planet Saturn 's aspt on cusps are taken in page 28 of 4 step book, it is to take the coj & aspt of starlord of Rahu/Ketu unless the authority of 4 step says differently.This is the attempt to get clarification for 4 step lovers, not any doubt, which is a different story.Regards,tw@gro ups.com, "sunil gondhalekar" <sunilalaka@ ...> wrote:>> dear dhanabalan,> reply in bold letters> thanks> -sunil

gondhalekar> > > On 9/2/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear 4 step lovers> >> >> >> > No one has cleared my doubt on 4 step method. So I have stopped my further> > study on 4 step. Can any one clear my following doubts without telling to> > read the 4 step book.> >> > *reply:* *which doubts?can you clear?to study 4 step or not is depends on> > indivisuals and not compulsory to members.*> >> > Mr.Gondhalekar said that further judging(chain) of Rahu/Ketu's signlord are> > to be discarded. (i.e. considering the aspecting and conjoined planets of> > signlord). What I understand from Mr.Gondhalekar' s message is that there is> > no further judging of signlord/starlord of Rahu/Ketu. No further judging of> > aspecting

and conjoined planets in all the four steps.> >> > *reply:i have mentioned that nodes * *signlord are not be judged again.i> > have not replied that it shud not be judged in all four steps.*> >> > Mr.Tin Win has raised a doubt whether further judging of starlord of> > Rahu/Ketu also are to be discarded. (i.e. considering the aspecting and> > conjoined planets of starlord). His doubt is not yet clarified by> > Mr.Gondhalekar.> >> > *reply:the reply is already given in message.pls. check it.*> >> > I have raised a doubt that further judging of aspecting and conjoined> > planets for all planets in all the four steps are to be discarded. (i.e.> > considering the aspecting planets of aspecting planet, conjoined planets of> > conjoined planet, etc.)> >> >

*reply:planets and nodes are different.rules are mentioned for planets> > as wel as for nodes clearly.*> >> > Dhanabalan> >> >> > > >>

September 12, 2008

dear dhanabalan,

pl.watch it carefully.the significators in both are same.

-sunil gondhalekar

On 9/12/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dear Tin Win

Thank you for your clarification for my doubt. I understand what you want to convey to me.

But Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar is differing from his book.

For me, you have posted 4 step significators as per KPAstro 3.0 which is under reference (1).

Planet Mo+: 9; Asp 4; Cnj 10 Starlord of Mo is Ma: 12; 4-11; Asp Me(7); Asp 3; Asp 6; Cnj 12 Sublord of Mo is Su:

Starlord of Su is Me: 7; Asp by Ma(12, 4-11, Asp 3, Asp 6, Cnj 12)

Mr.Gondhalekar also posted the significator for MOON which is under reference (2).

PLANET : MOONItself :----------- --- Moon:- (9) Cusp Yuti: (10) It's N.Swami :-------- Mars:- (12) (4) (11) Cusp Yuti: (12)

It's Sub :----------- - Sun:- 7 8 It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Mercury:- (7) 6 7 9 Itself aspects :------ 5

The significator for Moon in KPASTRO 3.0 differs from Mr.Gondhalekar. Please explain why the difference is?

Dhanabalan

--------------- Reference (1) 4 Step Significators (KPAstro 3.0) Printed on: August 18 2008

Empty houses: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 11 Planets with no planets in their stars (+): Mo, Sa

Planets in own stars (*): Ju Mo conj 10

Ma conj 12 Ve conj 9

Sa conj 10 Ke conj Ju

Me is aspected by Ma Ra is aspected by Ju

Mo aspects 4 Ma aspects 3, 6

Ve aspects 3 Sa aspects 4

Planet Mo+: 9; Asp 4; Cnj 10 Starlord of Mo is Ma: 12; 4-11; Asp Me(7); Asp 3; Asp 6; Cnj 12

Sublord of Mo is Su: Starlord of Su is Me: 7; Asp by Ma(12, 4-11, Asp 3, Asp 6, Cnj 12)

------ Reference (2) Re: Contribution of planets to the houses Friday, August 22, 2008 11:58 AM " sunil gondhalekar " <sunilalaka Add sender to Contacts

dear dhanabalan, your quoted incidents were in saturn dasa,jupiter bhukti and rahu anatara.i have already analysed jupiter. now about saturn.it is as follows PLANET : SATURNItself :----------- --- Saturn:- (10) (2) Cusp Yuti: (10)

It's N.Swami :-------- Rahu:- (12) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (6) (1) (3) 12

It's Sub :----------- - Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 Itself aspects :------ 5 1 8saturn indicates 12 th,6th and due to starlord of rahu 8-9 houses. now about anatara of rahu. i always says that rahu is blemish planet.anatara of rahu created big

problems in your life. another interesting point in your chart is conjunction of hershal with mercury. your arrest was in moon pran dasa.its signification PLANET : MOONItself :----------- --- Moon:- (9) Cusp Yuti: (10) It's N.Swami :-------- Mars:- (12) (4) (11) Cusp Yuti: (12)

It's Sub :----------- - Sun:- 7 8 It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Mercury:- (7) 6 7 9 Itself aspects :------ 5on 4th step mercury conjunts hershal.this conjunction with hershal sent you in jail because of your writing (karaka planet for writing matters). hope you and 4 step lovers will satisfy from this message. -sunil gondhalekarOn 8/21/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

--- On Wed, 9/10/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

tw853 <tw853 Re: 4 step method

Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 1:10 PM

Dear 4 step lovers,Referring Msg#18929 (not yet answered)/19019/ 19284,1. In the application of 4 step, the primary significators by the special rules of conj & aspt of planets are to be taken as per the

special rules in the 4 step book and explained in the guide. If one has doubt, they cannot be taken into account, as 7th aspect is not considered by a well known practitioner. 2. No restriction for conj & aspt relating Rahu/ Ketu is mentioned in

the 4 step book, except the recent explanation that conj & aspt not to be applied to the signlord of Rahu/Ketu, for being the last preference of the signification of Rahu/Ketu. 3. In this regard, it is worthy to note that it is not to take the

primary significator( s) of the signlord of Rahu/Ketu, if it is opposite to the signification of conj or aspt or starlord of Rahu/Ketu (4 step book pages 41-42), in other words to take the signification of conj or aspt or starlord of Rahu/Ketu only. (4 step

book pages 41-42) (The results of the conjoined or aspecting planets or star-lord (when Rahu/Ketu is a primary significator) should be given first priority, then the sign-lord can not give its results.-- 4 step guide guide point 7)

4. Since the aspect of Rahu's conj. planet Saturn 's aspt on cusps are taken in page 28 of 4 step book, it is to take the coj & aspt of starlord of Rahu/Ketu unless the authority of 4 step says differently.

This is the attempt to get clarification for 4 step lovers, not any doubt, which is a different story.Regards,tw@gro ups.com, " sunil gondhalekar "

<sunilalaka@ ...> wrote:>> dear dhanabalan,> reply in bold letters> thanks> -sunil gondhalekar> > > On 9/2/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:

> >> > Dear 4 step lovers> >> >> >> > No one has cleared my doubt on 4 step method. So I have stopped my further> > study on 4 step. Can any one clear my following doubts without

telling to> > read the 4 step book.> >> > *reply:* *which doubts?can you clear?to study 4 step or not is depends on> > indivisuals and not compulsory to members.*> >

> > Mr.Gondhalekar said that further judging(chain) of Rahu/Ketu's signlord are> > to be discarded. (i.e. considering the aspecting and conjoined planets of> > signlord). What I understand from Mr.Gondhalekar' s message is

that there is> > no further judging of signlord/starlord of Rahu/Ketu. No further judging of> > aspecting and conjoined planets in all the four steps.> >> > *reply:i have mentioned that nodes * *signlord are not be judged

again.i> > have not replied that it shud not be judged in all four steps.*> >> > Mr.Tin Win has raised a doubt whether further judging of starlord of> > Rahu/Ketu also are to be discarded. (i.e. considering the

aspecting and> > conjoined planets of starlord). His doubt is not yet clarified by> > Mr.Gondhalekar.> >> > *reply:the reply is already given in message.pls. check it.*> >

> > I have raised a doubt that further judging of aspecting and conjoined> > planets for all planets in all the four steps are to be discarded. (i.e.> > considering the aspecting planets of aspecting planet, conjoined

planets of> > conjoined planet, etc.)> >> > *reply:planets and nodes are different.rules are mentioned for planets> > as wel as for nodes clearly.*> >> > Dhanabalan

> >> >> > > >>

September 13, 2008

Dear Dhanabalan, > Planet Mo+: 9; Asp 4; Cnj 10Primary significator Mo aspects 4th cusp by 7th aspect within 3deg20min orb.> Starlord of Mo is Ma: 12; 4-11; Asp Me(7); Asp 3; Asp 6; Cnj 12Primary significator Ma aspects Mer in 7th by 8th aspect; 3th cusp by 4th aspect and 6th cusp by 7th aspect within 3deg20min orb.

> Sublord of Mo is Su:The same.> Starlord of Su is Me: 7; Asp by Ma(12, 4-11, Asp 3, Asp 6, Cnj 12)> Primary significator Me is aspected by primary significator Ma in 12, l/o 4,11 (empty houses) and primary significator Ma aspects 3th cusp by 4th aspect and 6th cusp by 7th aspect, conj with 12th cusp within 3deg20min orb.All are as per 4 step book.Regards,tw , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:>> Dear Tin Win> > Thank you for your clarification for my doubt. I understand what you want to convey to me.> But Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar is differing from his book.> For me, you have posted 4 step significators as per KPAstro 3.0 which is under reference (1).> Planet Mo+: 9; Asp 4; Cnj 10> Starlord of Mo is Ma: 12; 4-11; Asp Me(7); Asp 3; Asp 6; Cnj 12> Sublord of Mo is Su:> Starlord of Su is Me: 7; Asp by Ma(12, 4-11, Asp 3, Asp 6, Cnj 12)> > > Mr.Gondhalekar also posted the significator for MOON which is under reference (2).> > PLANET : MOON> Itself :----------- --- Moon:- (9) Cusp Yuti: (10) > It's N.Swami :-------- Mars:- (12) (4) (11) Cusp Yuti: (12) > It's Sub :----------- - Sun:- 7 8 > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Mercury:- (7) 6 7 9 > Itself aspects :------ 5> > > The significator for Moon in KPASTRO 3.0 differs from Mr.Gondhalekar. Please explain why the difference is?> > Dhanabalan> > ---------------> Reference (1)> > 4 Step Significators (KPAstro 3.0)> Printed on: August 18 2008> > Empty houses: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 11> Planets with no planets in their stars (+): Mo, Sa> Planets in own stars (*): Ju> > Mo conj 10> Ma conj 12> Ve conj 9> Sa conj 10> Ke conj Ju> > Me is aspected by Ma> Ra is aspected by Ju> Mo aspects 4> Ma aspects 3, 6> Ve aspects 3> Sa aspects 4> > Planet Mo+: 9; Asp 4; Cnj 10> Starlord of Mo is Ma: 12; 4-11; Asp Me(7); Asp 3; Asp 6; Cnj 12> Sublord of Mo is Su:> Starlord of Su is Me: 7; Asp by Ma(12, 4-11, Asp 3, Asp 6, Cnj 12)> > > ------> Reference (2)> > Re: Contribution of planets to the houses> Friday, August 22, 2008 11:58 AM> "sunil gondhalekar" sunilalaka Add sender to Contacts > > > dear dhanabalan,> your quoted incidents were in saturn dasa,jupiter bhukti and rahu anatara.> i have already analysed jupiter.> now about saturn.it is as follows> PLANET : SATURN> Itself :----------- --- Saturn:- (10) (2) Cusp Yuti: (10) > It's N.Swami :-------- Rahu:- (12) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (6) (1) (3) 12> It's Sub :----------- - Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 > Itself aspects :------ 5 1 8> saturn indicates 12 th,6th and due to starlord of rahu 8-9 houses.> > now about anatara of rahu.> i always says that rahu is blemish planet.anatara of rahu created big > problems in your life.> another interesting point in your chart is conjunction of hershal with mercury.> your arrest was in moon pran dasa.its signification> PLANET : MOON> Itself :----------- --- Moon:- (9) Cusp Yuti: (10) > It's N.Swami :-------- Mars:- (12) (4) (11) Cusp Yuti: (12) > It's Sub :----------- - Sun:- 7 8 > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Mercury:- (7) 6 7 9 > Itself aspects :------ 5> on 4th step mercury conjunts hershal.> this conjunction with hershal sent you in jail because of your writing> (karaka planet for writing matters).> hope you and 4 step lovers will satisfy from this message.> -sunil gondhalekarOn 8/21/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: > > --- On Wed, 9/10/08, tw853 tw853 wrote:> > tw853 tw853 Re: 4 step method> > Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 1:10 PM> > > > > > > Dear 4 step lovers,> > Referring Msg#18929 (not yet answered)/19019/ 19284,> > 1. In the application of 4 step, the primary significators by the > special rules of conj & aspt of planets are to be taken as per the > special rules in the 4 step book and explained in the guide. If one > has doubt, they cannot be taken into account, as 7th aspect is not > considered by a well known practitioner. > > 2. No restriction for conj & aspt relating Rahu/ Ketu is mentioned in > the 4 step book, except the recent explanation that conj & aspt not > to be applied to the signlord of Rahu/Ketu, for being the last > preference of the signification of Rahu/Ketu. > > 3. In this regard, it is worthy to note that it is not to take the > primary significator( s) of the signlord of Rahu/Ketu, if it is > opposite to the signification of conj or aspt or starlord of > Rahu/Ketu (4 step book pages 41-42), in other words to take the > signification of conj or aspt or starlord of Rahu/Ketu only. (4 step > book pages 41-42) (The results of the conjoined or aspecting planets > or star-lord (when Rahu/Ketu is a primary significator) should be > given first priority, then the sign-lord can not give its results.-- > 4 step guide guide point 7) > > 4. Since the aspect of Rahu's conj. planet Saturn 's aspt on cusps > are taken in page 28 of 4 step book, it is to take the coj & aspt of > starlord of Rahu/Ketu unless the authority of 4 step says differently.> > This is the attempt to get clarification for 4 step lovers, not any > doubt, which is a different story.> > Regards,> > tw> > > @gro ups.com, "sunil gondhalekar" > <sunilalaka@ ...> wrote:> >> > dear dhanabalan,> > reply in bold letters> > thanks> > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > > On 9/2/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear 4 step lovers> > >> > >> > >> > > No one has cleared my doubt on 4 step method. So I have stopped > my further> > > study on 4 step. Can any one clear my following doubts without > telling to> > > read the 4 step book.> > >> > > *reply:* *which doubts?can you clear?to study 4 step or not is > depends on> > > indivisuals and not compulsory to members.*> > >> > > Mr.Gondhalekar said that further judging(chain) of Rahu/Ketu's > signlord are> > > to be discarded. (i.e. considering the aspecting and conjoined > planets of> > > signlord). What I understand from Mr.Gondhalekar' s message is > that there is> > > no further judging of signlord/starlord of Rahu/Ketu. No further > judging of> > > aspecting and conjoined planets in all the four steps.> > >> > > *reply:i have mentioned that nodes * *signlord are not be judged > again.i> > > have not replied that it shud not be judged in all four steps.*> > >> > > Mr.Tin Win has raised a doubt whether further judging of starlord > of> > > Rahu/Ketu also are to be discarded. (i.e. considering the > aspecting and> > > conjoined planets of starlord). His doubt is not yet clarified by> > > Mr.Gondhalekar.> > >> > > *reply:the reply is already given in message.pls. check it.*> > >> > > I have raised a doubt that further judging of aspecting and > conjoined> > > planets for all planets in all the four steps are to be > discarded. (i.e.> > > considering the aspecting planets of aspecting planet, conjoined > planets of> > > conjoined planet, etc.)> > >> > > *reply:planets and nodes are different.rules are mentioned for > planets> > > as wel as for nodes clearly.*> > >> > > Dhanabalan> > >> > >> > > > > >> >>

September 15, 2008

Dear Mr.Gondhalekar

Significators in both are not same.

Mr.Tin Win gave justification for the significator for MOON as per 4 step book.

Please clarify my doubts.

1) Step I: Planet Mo+: 9; Asp 4; Cnj 10

Primary significator Mo aspects 4th cusp by 7th aspect within 3deg20min orb.

Why the 4th cusp has not been considered?

Whether cusp conjoined is strong and cusp aspect is weak?

Whether it is already covered in step II, therefore omitted.

2) Step II: Ma: 12; 4-11; Asp Me(7); Asp 3; Asp 6; Cnj 12

Primary significator Ma aspects Mer in 7th by 8th aspect; 3rd cusp by 4th aspect and 6th cusp by 7th aspect within 3deg20min orb.

Why 8,3 and 4 are not considered?

Whether the house 4 has been already covered in step II, therefore omitted 4?

Whether Mercury also must be prime significator for consideration?

Whether the cusp aspect is weak and not considered?

3) Step IV: Me: 7; Asp by Ma(12, 4-11, Asp 3, Asp 6, Cnj 12)Primary significator Me is aspected by primary significator Ma in 12, l/o 4,11 (empty houses) and primary significator Ma aspects 3th cusp by 4th aspect and 6th cusp by 7th aspect, conj with 12th cusp within 3deg20min orb..

Why the houses 12,4,11,3,6 are not considered?

Whether the houses 12, 4,11 have been already covered in step II, therefore omitted?

As per k.p., only the aspect of significators are considered in the 5th step and not the reverse. Do you mean that Mercury did not aspect Mars?

4) Please explain what is hershal. I did not come across the word hershal.

“another interesting point in your chart is conjunction of hershal with mercury.”

Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 9/12/08, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote:

sunil gondhalekar <sunilalakaRe: Re: 4 step method Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 12:49 PM

dear dhanabalan,

pl.watch it carefully.the significators in both are same.

-sunil gondhalekar

On 9/12/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Tin Win

Thank you for your clarification for my doubt. I understand what you want to convey to me.

But Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar is differing from his book.

For me, you have posted 4 step significators as per KPAstro 3.0 which is under reference (1).

Planet Mo+: 9; Asp 4; Cnj 10 Starlord of Mo is Ma: 12; 4-11; Asp Me(7); Asp 3; Asp 6; Cnj 12 Sublord of Mo is Su: Starlord of Su is Me: 7; Asp by Ma(12, 4-11, Asp 3, Asp 6, Cnj 12)

Mr.Gondhalekar also posted the significator for MOON which is under reference (2).

PLANET : MOONItself :----------- --- Moon:- (9) Cusp Yuti: (10) It's N.Swami :-------- Mars:- (12) (4) (11) Cusp Yuti: (12) It's Sub :----------- - Sun:- 7 8 It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Mercury:- (7) 6 7 9 Itself aspects :------ 5

The significator for Moon in KPASTRO 3.0 differs from Mr.Gondhalekar. Please explain why the difference is?

Dhanabalan

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- Reference (1) 4 Step Significators (KPAstro 3.0) Printed on: August 18 2008 Empty houses: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 11 Planets with no planets in their stars (+): Mo, Sa Planets in own stars (*): Ju Mo conj 10 Ma conj 12 Ve conj 9 Sa conj 10 Ke conj Ju Me is aspected by Ma Ra is aspected by Ju Mo aspects 4 Ma aspects 3, 6 Ve aspects 3 Sa aspects 4 Planet Mo+: 9; Asp 4; Cnj 10 Starlord of Mo is Ma: 12; 4-11; Asp Me(7); Asp 3; Asp 6; Cnj 12 Sublord of Mo is Su: Starlord of Su is Me: 7; Asp by Ma(12, 4-11, Asp 3, Asp 6, Cnj 12)

------------ --------- --------- --------- Reference (2) Re: Contribution of planets to the houses Friday, August 22, 2008 11:58 AM "sunil gondhalekar" <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Add sender to Contacts

@gro ups.com dear dhanabalan, your quoted incidents were in saturn dasa,jupiter bhukti and rahu anatara.i have already analysed jupiter. now about saturn.it is as follows PLANET : SATURNItself :----------- --- Saturn:- (10) (2) Cusp Yuti: (10) It's N.Swami :-------- Rahu:- (12) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (6) (1) (3) 12It's Sub :----------- - Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 Itself aspects :------ 5 1 8saturn indicates 12 th,6th and due to starlord of rahu 8-9 houses. now about anatara of rahu. i always says that rahu is blemish planet.anatara of rahu created big

problems in your life. another interesting point in your chart is conjunction of hershal with mercury. your arrest was in moon pran dasa.its signification PLANET : MOONItself :----------- --- Moon:- (9) Cusp Yuti: (10) It's N.Swami :-------- Mars:- (12) (4) (11) Cusp Yuti: (12) It's Sub :----------- - Sun:- 7 8 It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Mercury:- (7) 6 7 9 Itself aspects :------ 5on 4th step mercury conjunts hershal.this conjunction with hershal sent you in jail because of your writing (karaka planet for writing matters). hope you and 4 step lovers will satisfy from this message. -sunil gondhalekarOn 8/21/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: --- On Wed, 9/10/08, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

tw853 <tw853 > Re: 4 step method@gro ups.comWednesday, September 10, 2008, 1:10 PM

Dear 4 step lovers,Referring Msg#18929 (not yet answered)/19019/ 19284,1. In the application of 4 step, the primary significators by the special rules of conj & aspt of planets are to be taken as per the special rules in the 4 step book and explained in the guide. If one has doubt, they cannot be taken into account, as 7th aspect is not considered by a well known practitioner. 2. No restriction for conj & aspt relating Rahu/ Ketu is mentioned in the 4 step book, except the recent explanation that conj & aspt not to be applied to the signlord of Rahu/Ketu, for being the last preference of the signification of Rahu/Ketu. 3. In this regard, it is worthy to note that it is not to take the primary significator( s) of the signlord of Rahu/Ketu, if it is opposite to the signification of conj or aspt or starlord of Rahu/Ketu (4 step book

pages 41-42), in other words to take the signification of conj or aspt or starlord of Rahu/Ketu only. (4 step book pages 41-42) (The results of the conjoined or aspecting planets or star-lord (when Rahu/Ketu is a primary significator) should be given first priority, then the sign-lord can not give its results.-- 4 step guide guide point 7) 4. Since the aspect of Rahu's conj. planet Saturn 's aspt on cusps are taken in page 28 of 4 step book, it is to take the coj & aspt of starlord of Rahu/Ketu unless the authority of 4 step says differently.This is the attempt to get clarification for 4 step lovers, not any doubt, which is a different story.Regards,tw@gro ups.com, "sunil gondhalekar"

<sunilalaka@ ...> wrote:>> dear dhanabalan,> reply in bold letters> thanks> -sunil gondhalekar> > > On 9/2/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear 4 step lovers> >> >> >> > No one has cleared my doubt on 4 step method. So I have stopped my further> > study on 4 step. Can any one clear my following doubts without telling to> > read the 4 step book.> >> > *reply:* *which doubts?can you clear?to study 4 step or not is depends on> > indivisuals and not compulsory to members.*> >> > Mr.Gondhalekar said that further judging(chain) of Rahu/Ketu's signlord are> > to be discarded. (i.e. considering the aspecting and conjoined planets of> > signlord). What I understand from

Mr.Gondhalekar' s message is that there is> > no further judging of signlord/starlord of Rahu/Ketu. No further judging of> > aspecting and conjoined planets in all the four steps.> >> > *reply:i have mentioned that nodes * *signlord are not be judged again.i> > have not replied that it shud not be judged in all four steps.*> >> > Mr.Tin Win has raised a doubt whether further judging of starlord of> > Rahu/Ketu also are to be discarded. (i.e. considering the aspecting and> > conjoined planets of starlord). His doubt is not yet clarified by> > Mr.Gondhalekar.> >> > *reply:the reply is already given in message.pls. check it.*> >> > I have raised a doubt that further judging of aspecting and conjoined> > planets for all planets in all the four steps are to be discarded.

(i.e.> > considering the aspecting planets of aspecting planet, conjoined planets of> > conjoined planet, etc.)> >> > *reply:planets and nodes are different.rules are mentioned for planets> > as wel as for nodes clearly.*> >> > Dhanabalan> >> >> > > >>

September 15, 2008

dear dhanabalan,

Astrokundali SW developer has his own commercial angles as he want

to satisfy all the customer.you must have known aspect is not considered

by so many welknown astrologers and thats why he has not included all these points.

the aspect on cusp is also the same case and thats why not included.myself

personally look at the chart and correct the houses manually.SW developer has

given the range of orb and that can be changed.but if we take an orb of 3-20 and

if diff.is 3-21 then SW will not indicate that aspect and thats why special look at

chart is a must.so i am not totally depending on SW.thats why i told you to watch

it carefully,both are same.

hershal is Uranus.

mr.dhanabalan,no one has repd.to your chart that how 12th house was operating

in jupiter period,but only 4 step theory has revealed it.doesnt it?thanks

-sunil gondhalekar

On 9/15/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dear Mr.Gondhalekar Significators in both are not same. Mr.Tin Win gave justification for the significator for MOON as per 4 step book. Please clarify my doubts. 1) Step I: Planet Mo+: 9; Asp 4; Cnj 10 Primary significator Mo aspects 4th cusp by 7th aspect within 3deg20min orb.

Why the 4th cusp has not been considered? Whether cusp conjoined is strong and cusp aspect is weak? Whether it is already covered in step II, therefore omitted.

2) Step II: Ma: 12; 4-11; Asp Me(7); Asp 3; Asp 6; Cnj 12 Primary significator Ma aspects Mer in 7th by 8th aspect; 3rd cusp by 4th aspect and 6th cusp by 7th aspect within 3deg20min orb.

Why 8,3 and 4 are not considered? Whether the house 4 has been already covered in step II, therefore omitted 4? Whether Mercury also must be prime significator for consideration? Whether the cusp aspect is weak and not considered? 3) Step IV: Me: 7; Asp by Ma(12, 4-11, Asp 3, Asp 6, Cnj 12)

Primary significator Me is aspected by primary significator Ma in 12, l/o 4,11 (empty houses) and primary significator Ma aspects 3th cusp by 4th aspect and 6th cusp by 7th aspect, conj with 12th cusp within 3deg20min orb..

Why the houses 12,4,11,3,6 are not considered? Whether the houses 12, 4,11 have been already covered in step II, therefore omitted? As per k.p., only the aspect of significators are considered in the 5th step and not the reverse. Do you mean that Mercury did not aspect Mars? 4) Please explain what is hershal. I did not come across the word hershal. "another interesting point in your chart is conjunction of hershal with mercury."

Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 9/12/08, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote:

sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka

Re: Re: 4 step method

Friday, September 12, 2008, 12:49 PM

dear dhanabalan,

pl.watch it carefully.the significators in both are same.

-sunil gondhalekar

On 9/12/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Tin Win

Thank you for your clarification for my doubt. I understand what you want to convey to me.

But Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar is differing from his book.

For me, you have posted 4 step significators as per KPAstro 3.0 which is under reference (1).

Planet Mo+: 9; Asp 4; Cnj 10 Starlord of Mo is Ma: 12; 4-11; Asp Me(7); Asp 3; Asp 6; Cnj 12 Sublord of Mo is Su:

Starlord of Su is Me: 7; Asp by Ma(12, 4-11, Asp 3, Asp 6, Cnj 12)

Mr.Gondhalekar also posted the significator for MOON which is under reference (2).

PLANET : MOONItself :----------- --- Moon:- (9) Cusp Yuti: (10) It's N.Swami :-------- Mars:- (12) (4) (11) Cusp Yuti: (12)

It's Sub :----------- - Sun:- 7 8 It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Mercury:- (7) 6 7 9 Itself aspects :------ 5

The significator for Moon in KPASTRO 3.0 differs from Mr.Gondhalekar. Please explain why the difference is?

Dhanabalan

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- Reference (1)

4 Step Significators (KPAstro 3.0)

Printed on: August 18 2008 Empty houses: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 11

Planets with no planets in their stars (+): Mo, Sa Planets in own stars (*): Ju

Mo conj 10 Ma conj 12

Ve conj 9 Sa conj 10

Ke conj Ju Me is aspected by Ma

Ra is aspected by Ju Mo aspects 4

Ma aspects 3, 6 Ve aspects 3

Sa aspects 4 Planet Mo+: 9; Asp 4; Cnj 10

Starlord of Mo is Ma: 12; 4-11; Asp Me(7); Asp 3; Asp 6; Cnj 12

Sublord of Mo is Su: Starlord of Su is Me: 7; Asp by Ma(12, 4-11, Asp 3, Asp 6, Cnj 12)

------------ --------- --------- --------- Reference (2)

Re: Contribution of planets to the houses

Friday, August 22, 2008 11:58 AM

" sunil gondhalekar " <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

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@gro ups.com dear dhanabalan,

your quoted incidents were in saturn dasa,jupiter bhukti and rahu anatara.i have already analysed jupiter.

now about saturn.it is as follows

PLANET : SATURNItself :----------- --- Saturn:- (10) (2) Cusp Yuti: (10)

It's N.Swami :-------- Rahu:- (12) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (6) (1) (3) 12

It's Sub :----------- - Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 Itself aspects :------ 5 1 8saturn indicates 12 th,6th and due to starlord of rahu 8-9 houses.

now about anatara of rahu.

i always says that rahu is blemish planet.anatara of rahu created big

problems in your life.

another interesting point in your chart is conjunction of hershal with mercury.

your arrest was in moon pran dasa.its signification

PLANET : MOONItself :----------- --- Moon:- (9) Cusp Yuti: (10) It's N.Swami :-------- Mars:- (12) (4) (11) Cusp Yuti: (12)

It's Sub :----------- - Sun:- 7 8 It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Mercury:- (7) 6 7 9 Itself aspects :------ 5on 4th step mercury conjunts hershal.this conjunction with hershal sent you in jail because of your writing

(karaka planet for writing matters).

hope you and 4 step lovers will satisfy from this message.

-sunil gondhalekarOn 8/21/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

--- On Wed, 9/10/08, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

tw853 <tw853 > Re: 4 step method

@gro ups.com Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 1:10 PM