Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Respected members I am still seeking the logic behind to take the time of judgement (as envisaged by KSK)for fixing planetory positions rather than to take time when query was originally made(as envisaged in traditional teaching)in horary analysis.Many times before we went trough debate but could not get any convincing logic.Now a days some kp astrologers are going reverse by taking time of query in the name of time chart. Do you not think planetory positions will also depend on the time when astrologer begin analysis and by taking this time how should be blamed that query was not genuine because moon position does show that?Though I admit that its divine science and almighty speaks via the medium of astrologer but I personally think any science should be based mainly on causes and result relationship rather than on pure faith . Hope to see comments of seniors on this . WITH REGARDS AMIT , Sheetal <ratnamalag wrote: > > Dear sir > > In horary, KP number will express the *only sincere* thought, through Moon > position.So querier should be very sincere with the particular query while > giving the number. > > If horary no is not reflecting the query, one has to stop working on it and > becos it was not a sincere query how will it relate to query next time also. > So we have to take another number next time after explaining the querient > regarding importance of sincerity of thought of query in his mind at the > time of giving horary no. > > If Moon position reflects the query, and by chance u r unable to solve the > query at that time, in such condition we can use the same horary number next > time. > > Regards > Dr Sheetal > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:08 PM, swami <swami wrote: > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > Hare Ram Krishna > > Dear friends, > > Why second number should be taken for reworking at different time if Same > > question is to be examined for the same querent? > > I am reading this view here. > > Any reason or logic. > > According to fundamentals of Astrology, in hindu numerology Number is > > expression of Thought.IN KP and also in vedic it is seed for Horary, a > > method to find Aarudh. > > Why should it be altered ? > > I will be happy to learn the logic behind . > > with best wishes. > > PROF KSK said , if one retakes question at other times same cusp > > calculation can be used if Astrologer does not change place, This i remember > > having read. > > > > OM TATSAT > > ------------------------ > > Swami_RCSrivastava Astrologer > > Teaching & Consultations > > http:\\www.kaalvastu.com] > > ----------------------- > > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who has > > created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. " > > -- > > > > - > > ** Luther Rath <rathluther > > *To:* > > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 10, 2008 5:15 PM > > *Subject:* Re: Re: Horary >> Timing an event > > > > Dear Sujat, > > You are very right. The Moon must reflect the mind of the querist. Unless > > he is sincere result will not be correct. > > Dr. Luther > > > > > > sujatkaram <sujatkaram > > > > Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:59:10 AM > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event > > > > Respected Members, > > Sir, > > In Horary,before undertaking analysis of the chart, the astrologer > > should first examine the moon,s position in the chart to ascertain > > whether the querrent is right earnest in his querry or not. The moon > > must be directly connected with the main or the sub-houses in > > question.If not, the astrologer should not proceed because this shows > > that the questioner,s mind is not in the querry and so the prediction > > might go wrong. He should try again next time with a new KP number. > > In four-step theory,retrogressio n of planets is not taken into > > consideration ,as far as I know. It is considered only while > > examining the Transit.This is a new approach and has not yet been > > established. > > The step-by-step guidelines given by Mr. Gopalkrishnan are really > > excellent.New students like us need such comprehensive guidelines. > > Thanks to him. > > The point given by Dr. Luther is new to me. I will certainly try it > > in future. Thanks to him. > > with regards, > > sujat. > > > > @gro ups.com <% 40>, Luther > > Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Sir, > > > If the sub-lord of XI is in the constellation of a retrograde > > planet the mater will not come through. One need not go ahead. Taking > > another horary number for review leads to invalid prediction. I don't > > remember if I have ever read about the effect if the sub-lord of a > > cusp concerned with a mater occupies a constellation of a retrograde > > planet.This is about horary chart. It is not mendatory that the > > result will be negative if the sub-lord of a houce occupies a > > constellation of a retrograde planet. Rather it is said retrograde > > planets are stronger. > > > Comments from seniors are invited. > > > With regards. > > > > > > Dr. Luther > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853@> > > > @gro ups.com <%40> > > > Monday, September 8, 2008 1:52:06 PM > > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event > > > > > > > > > It's more interesting what will be the result of the concerned > > house, > > > if the sublord of the concerned cusp or 11th cusp is in the sub of > > > retrograde planet. > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > > As far as I remember, in horary, first of all we have to examine > > the > > > XI cusp. XI cusp sub-lord if retrograde,the mater may come to > > fruition > > > but only after the sub-lord takes a direct course and reaches the > > > point from where it began retrograde motion. If its star-lord is > > > retrograde then the result is negative. One need not proceed > > further. > > > If the star lord is in direct motion then one has to examine other > > > points mentioned by you. > > > > With regards. > > > > Dr. Luther > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S.Gopalakrishnan <subragops3@ ...> > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > Monday, September 8, 2008 1:05:41 AM > > > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Antariksh Ji, > > > > > > > > The KP Horary Rules are stated as under: > > > > > > > > 1) For every query, find out the MOST IMPORTANT house, its cuspal > > > > sub-lord and the star-lord of the cuspal sub-lord. > > > > > > > > 2) Find out the houses RELATED to this main house, its cuspal sub- > > > > lord and the star-lord of the cuspal sub-lord. > > > > > > > > 3) The Cuspal sub-lord of the main house should NOT be retrograde > > > > itself at the time of judgement. > > > > > > > > 4) The star-lord of the cuspal sub-lord of the main shouse should > > > > NOT be retrograde at the time of judgement. > > > > > > > > 5) The main house sub-lord should be related with other houses > > > > pertaining to the question. > > > > > > > > 6) Finally, rules (3), (4) and (5) should be SIMULTANEOUSLY > > > > satisfied to denote a positive answer. If any one of the rules > > (3) > > > > or (4) or (5) is not satisfied, it shows a negative result for > > the > > > > querent. Results will not fructify. > > > > > > > > These are the horary rules I have learnt and applying to > > situations. > > > > > > > > Hope the Senior Members will add more light.. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > S.Gopalakrishnan > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, *** ANTARIKSH *** > > > > <antariksh_80@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear L Y Rao, > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry I didn't understand what you meant in your last mail. > > > > Please explain it clearly. > > > > > > > > > > Please > > > > > note that I'm a follower of KP principles. In my previous mail, > > I > > > > > talked about some of my doubts I faced while predicting thru KP > > > > Horary > > > > > [using principles mentioned in Nakshtra Chintamani and Astro > > > > Secrets & KP] and humbly requested all KP stalwarts to > > > > > help me understanding the KP Horary rules better and rectify my > > > > > prediction if it was wrong. > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if that's something > > > > > " re-kindling a well-settled controversy, all over again " . If so > > I > > > > really > > > > > apologize. Really this is not the site meant for helping ALL KP > > > > lovers > > > > > to understand the subject better? > > > > > > > > > > Regards & Best Wishes, > > > > > ANTARIKSH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@ ..> > > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > > Cc: ANTARIKSH <antariksh_80@ ...> > > > > > Sunday, September 7, 2008 11:03:18 AM > > > > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Antariksh, > > > > > I wonder if you know about how bitterly BV > > > > Raman and his " more-loyal- than-the- king " followers had waged a > > WAR > > > > against KSK and lost miserably... not very long ago... > > > > > It seems to me that you are interested in > > > > re-kindling a well-settled controversy, all over again...IF so, > > this > > > > is a K.P. site...please note...not meant for you,in my humble > > > > opinion... > > > > > Kindly desist from comparing Raman's > > > > version of Traditional Astrology with the far superior technique > > of > > > > K.P. ! > > > > > L.Yogesh Rao. > > > > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sagar S <ssagar86@ .> > > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > > Saturday, 6 September, 2008 10:07:52 PM > > > > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BEFORE 31ST OCTOBER CHANGE OF WILL TAKE PLACE AS IT SIGNIFIES > > 6TH > > > > mARS OCCUPIED AND SUN TOO SIGNIFIES 6TH. > > > > > sAHHASRA sAAGARA > > > > > NOTE; DHANISHTA MAY BE THE FRUIYFUL STAR > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 6/9/08, *** ANTARIKSH *** <antariksh_80@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > *** ANTARIKSH *** <antariksh_80@ > > > > > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event > > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > > Saturday, 6 September, 2008, 12:06 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sagar ji, > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter will get direct motion in the second week of September. > > At > > > > that time [till 31-oct-08], native (as per horary) will go thru > > Mars > > > > dasha [significator of 6,5,1,8 and in sub of Saturn who occupies > > 5 > > > > and owns 11,12] and Sun bhukti [significator of 6,5,2,7 and in > > sub > > > > of Mars who occupies 6 and owns 1,8]. Now as Sun doesn't signify > > > > 3,5,9 thru its sub, will it give the results of 3,5,9 during its > > > > bhukti period? Please clarify my doubt. > > > > > > > > > > I feel next bhukti of Moon [significator of 6,1,8,5 and in sub > > of > > > > Sun who occupies 5 and owns 6], would be more convenient to > > change > > > > his job. What's your opinion on this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards & Best Wishes, > > > > > ANTARIKSH > > > > > > > > > > " Those who know Astrology can only indicate in a way what will > > > > take place in future. Who else, except the Creator, Brahma, can > > say > > > > with certainty what will definitely happen? " - B. V. Raman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sagar S <ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > > Saturday, September 6, 2008 12:44:45 AM > > > > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in sub of Rahu, in 10th. > > > > > Dear Antariksh > > > > > jupiter signifying 9th and in the sub of Rahu in 10th has to > > give > > > > better change of job on or after Jupiter gets direct motion if > > > > 6,2,10,11 dasha,b,a,sookshma period coincide. > > > > > Sahhasra Saagara > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 5/9/08, *** ANTARIKSH *** <antariksh_80@ > > ..com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > *** ANTARIKSH *** <antariksh_80@ ..com> > > > > > Horary >> Timing an event > > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > > Friday, 5 September, 2008, 2:08 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > I'm having some confusion while predicting time of an event > > using > > > > horary. If the cuspal sub-lord signifies the primary and/or the > > > > secondary houses related to the matter asked, it said that the > > > > matter will fructify in the joint period of the significators of > > the > > > > concerned houses. > > > > > Now in case there are more than 6 significators for the > > concerned > > > > houses, then how would one determine the correct period of the > > event? > > > > > One method is to eliminate the significators using Ruling > > planets. > > > > That's fine as long as there are 3 RPs. But in cases we find 4-5 > > RPs > > > > inluding two nodes, how would someone judge the joint period? > > > > > Here I've a question if Rahu/Ketu acts as an agent for a planet > > > > which is not among the ruling planets, but is a significator of > > > > concerned matter - can we still eliminate that planet as it's not > > an > > > > RP? > > > > > I've heard about another method of looking into the sub lord of > > > > each of the significators, if both the significator and its sub > > lord > > > > signify the concerned house(s), then only it would be considered > > as > > > > one of the joint period rulers (D/B/A/S). We need to start > > checking > > > > from the Time Of Judgement period rulers. > > > > > It's also said that if cusp sub lord of 11th is a fast moving > > > > plant, matter will fructify [querent's desire will be fulfilled] > > > > within near future (in hours/days/month) , otherwise it'd delay > > (in > > > > days/months/ years) [Astrosecrets & KP] > > > > > Please correct me if my understanding is wrong. > > > > > Here is an example I was working on. I cordially invite your > > > > valuable comments on this! > > > > > Query: " Will I be able to change my job to a better one? If > > yes, > > > > then when? " > > > > > Horary No.: 7 (1 to 249) > > > > > TOJ: September 03, 2008, 11:52:57PM IST > > > > > POJ: 88:24:32 E / 22:36:39 N (Geographic) > > > > > > > > > > Joint period rulers at the TOJ:- Mars-Sun-Saturn- Sun > > > > > > > > > > Analysis: > > > > > > > > > > Cuspal sub lord of 10th: Mars. > > > > > Cuspal sub lord signifies following bhavas – > > > > > A. 6 > > > > > B. 6 > > > > > C.. 5 > > > > > D. 1, 8 > > > > > So matter is confirmed. > > > > > > > > > > Time of Event: > > > > > > > > > > Significators of 3rd house: > > > > > A. x > > > > > B. x > > > > > C. Ketu > > > > > D. Mercury > > > > > > > > > > Significators of 5th house: > > > > > A. x > > > > > B. Sun, Saturn > > > > > C. Mercury, Venus, Mars > > > > > D. Moon > > > > > > > > > > Significators of 9th house: > > > > > A. x > > > > > B. Jupiter[R] > > > > > C. x > > > > > D. Jupiter[R] > > > > > > > > > > Significators: Ketu, Merecury, Sun, Saturn, Venus, Mars, Moon, > > > > Jupiter [R] > > > > > > > > > > Ruling planets at the TOJ:- > > > > > Asc. Sub lord: Jupiter[R] > > > > > Asc. Star lord: Ketu > > > > > Asc. Sign lord: Mars > > > > > Moon Star lord: Mars > > > > > Moon Sign lord: Venus > > > > > Day lord: Mercury > > > > > > > > > > Rahu represents: Saturn > > > > > Ketu represents: Moon > > > > > > > > > > Ruling planets: Ketu, Mars, Venus, Mercury, Jupiter[R] > > > > > > > > > > Keeping Jupiter here as after second week of september, it'd > > come > > > > in direct motion, so it'd be a fruitful significator. > > > > > > > > > > As Moon is represented by Ketu, matter will be materialized in > > > > Mars dasa, Moon bhukti, Jupiter anthara. > > > > > Mars in sub of Saturn, owns 11th, 12th and in 5th. > > > > > Moon in sub of Sun, owns 6th and in 5th. > > > > > Mercury in sub of Rahu, in 10th. > > > > > Jupiter in sub of Rahu, in 10th. > > > > > > > > > > Discarding Sun as Sun in sub of Mars owns 1st and 8th and in > > 6th - > > > > none of 3, 5 or 9. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Antariksh > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Dear Sir Moon reflects mind. So we check moon position for sincerity of thought before going ahead. Many times querier comes with multiple problems/queries in his mind. He may be unintensionally, insincere with his thoughts becasue of his confusion or ignorance of sincerity required for giving the horary number. In that case we should give him one more chance after explaning the importance of sincerity.(opinion may vary from person to person!) Regards Dr Sheetal On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:14 PM, swamy <swami wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Hare Ram Krishna Dear Dr Sheetal, A` small point. Number represent thought.Sincere or insincere is judged if reflected by MOON.Planets in whole OR RP OR Arudh lagna has essential elements for its fructification in seed form. If questioner is insincere why entertain him? with best wishes. OM TATSAT------------------------Swami_RCSrivastava AstrologerTeaching & Consultationshttp:\\www.kaalvastu.com] ----------------------- " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. " -- - Sheetal Thursday, September 11, 2008 6:51 PM Re: Re: Horary >> Timing an event Dear sir In horary, KP number will express the only sincere thought, through Moon position.So querier should be very sincere with the particular query while giving the number. If horary no is not reflecting the query, one has to stop working on it and becos it was not a sincere query how will it relate to query next time also. So we have to take another number next time after explaining the querient regarding importance of sincerity of thought of query in his mind at the time of giving horary no. If Moon position reflects the query, and by chance u r unable to solve the query at that time, in such condition we can use the same horary number next time. Regards Dr Sheetal On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:08 PM, swami <swami wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Hare Ram Krishna Dear friends, Why second number should be taken for reworking at different time if Same question is to be examined for the same querent? I am reading this view here. Any reason or logic. According to fundamentals of Astrology, in hindu numerology Number is expression of Thought.IN KP and also in vedic it is seed for Horary, a method to find Aarudh. Why should it be altered ? I will be happy to learn the logic behind . with best wishes. PROF KSK said , if one retakes question at other times same cusp calculation can be used if Astrologer does not change place, This i remember having read. OM TATSAT------------------------Swami_RCSrivastava AstrologerTeaching & Consultationshttp:\\www.kaalvastu.com] ----------------------- " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who has created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. " -- - Luther Rath Wednesday, September 10, 2008 5:15 PM Re: Re: Horary >> Timing an event Dear Sujat, You are very right. The Moon must reflect the mind of the querist. Unless he is sincere result will not be correct. Dr. Luther sujatkaram <sujatkaram Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:59:10 AM Re: Horary >> Timing an event Respected Members,Sir,In Horary,before undertaking analysis of the chart, the astrologer should first examine the moon,s position in the chart to ascertain whether the querrent is right earnest in his querry or not. The moon must be directly connected with the main or the sub-houses in question.If not, the astrologer should not proceed because this shows that the questioner,s mind is not in the querry and so the prediction might go wrong. He should try again next time with a new KP number. In four-step theory,retrogressio n of planets is not taken into consideration ,as far as I know. It is considered only while examining the Transit.This is a new approach and has not yet been established. The step-by-step guidelines given by Mr. Gopalkrishnan are really excellent.New students like us need such comprehensive guidelines. Thanks to him. The point given by Dr. Luther is new to me. I will certainly try it in future. Thanks to him.with regards,sujat. @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Respected Sir,> If the sub-lord of XI is in the constellation of a retrograde planet the mater will not come through. One need not go ahead. Taking another horary number for review leads to invalid prediction. I don't remember if I have ever read about the effect if the sub-lord of a cusp concerned with a mater occupies a constellation of a retrograde planet.This is about horary chart. It is not mendatory that the result will be negative if the sub-lord of a houce occupies a constellation of a retrograde planet. Rather it is said retrograde planets are stronger.> Comments from seniors are invited.> With regards.> > Dr. Luther> > > > tw853 <tw853> @gro ups.com > Monday, September 8, 2008 1:52:06 PM> Re: Horary >> Timing an event> > > It's more interesting what will be the result of the concerned house, > if the sublord of the concerned cusp or 11th cusp is in the sub of> retrograde planet.> > Thanks and regards,> > tw> > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear sir,> > As far as I remember, in horary, first of all we have to examine the> XI cusp. XI cusp sub-lord if retrograde,the mater may come to fruition> but only after the sub-lord takes a direct course and reaches the > point from where it began retrograde motion. If its star-lord is> retrograde then the result is negative. One need not proceed further.> If the star lord is in direct motion then one has to examine other > points mentioned by you.> > With regards.> > Dr. Luther> > > > > > > > > > > > S.Gopalakrishnan <subragops3@ ...> > > @gro ups.com> > Monday, September 8, 2008 1:05:41 AM> > Re: Horary >> Timing an event> > > > > > Dear Antariksh Ji,> > > > The KP Horary Rules are stated as under:> > > > 1) For every query, find out the MOST IMPORTANT house, its cuspal > > sub-lord and the star-lord of the cuspal sub-lord. > > > > 2) Find out the houses RELATED to this main house, its cuspal sub-> > lord and the star-lord of the cuspal sub-lord.> > > > 3) The Cuspal sub-lord of the main house should NOT be retrograde > > itself at the time of judgement.> > > > 4) The star-lord of the cuspal sub-lord of the main shouse should > > NOT be retrograde at the time of judgement.> > > > 5) The main house sub-lord should be related with other houses > > pertaining to the question.> > > > 6) Finally, rules (3), (4) and (5) should be SIMULTANEOUSLY > > satisfied to denote a positive answer. If any one of the rules (3) > > or (4) or (5) is not satisfied, it shows a negative result for the > > querent. Results will not fructify.> > > > These are the horary rules I have learnt and applying to situations.> > > > Hope the Senior Members will add more light.. > > > > Regards> > S.Gopalakrishnan> > > > @gro ups.com, *** ANTARIKSH *** > > <antariksh_80@ ...> wrote: > > >> > > Dear L Y Rao,> > > > > > I'm sorry I didn't understand what you meant in your last mail. > > Please explain it clearly. > > > > > > Please > > > note that I'm a follower of KP principles. In my previous mail, I> > > talked about some of my doubts I faced while predicting thru KP > > Horary> > > [using principles mentioned in Nakshtra Chintamani and Astro > > Secrets & KP] and humbly requested all KP stalwarts to> > > help me understanding the KP Horary rules better and rectify my> > > prediction if it was wrong. > > > > > > I don't know if that's something > > > " re-kindling a well-settled controversy, all over again " . If so I > > really> > > apologize. Really this is not the site meant for helping ALL KP > > lovers > > > to understand the subject better?> > > > > > Regards & Best Wishes,> > > ANTARIKSH> > > > > > > > > > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@ ..>> > > @gro ups.com> > > Cc: ANTARIKSH <antariksh_80@ ...>> > > Sunday, September 7, 2008 11:03:18 AM > > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event> > > > > > > > > Dear Antariksh,> > > I wonder if you know about how bitterly BV > > Raman and his " more-loyal- than-the- king " followers had waged a WAR > > against KSK and lost miserably... not very long ago...> > > It seems to me that you are interested in > > re-kindling a well-settled controversy, all over again...IF so, this > > is a K.P. site...please note...not meant for you,in my humble > > opinion...> > > Kindly desist from comparing Raman's > > version of Traditional Astrology with the far superior technique of > > K.P. !> > > L.Yogesh Rao.> > > GOOD LUCK !> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sagar S <ssagar86@ .> > > > @gro ups.com> > > Saturday, 6 September, 2008 10:07:52 PM> > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event > > > > > > > > > BEFORE 31ST OCTOBER CHANGE OF WILL TAKE PLACE AS IT SIGNIFIES 6TH > > mARS OCCUPIED AND SUN TOO SIGNIFIES 6TH.> > > sAHHASRA sAAGARA> > > NOTE; DHANISHTA MAY BE THE FRUIYFUL STAR > > > > > > --- On Sat, 6/9/08, *** ANTARIKSH *** <antariksh_80@ > > > wrote:> > > > > > *** ANTARIKSH *** <antariksh_80@ > > > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event> > > @gro ups.com> > > Saturday, 6 September, 2008, 12:06 PM > > > > > > > > > Dear Sagar ji,> > > > > > Jupiter will get direct motion in the second week of September. At > > that time [till 31-oct-08], native (as per horary) will go thru Mars > > dasha [significator of 6,5,1,8 and in sub of Saturn who occupies 5 > > and owns 11,12] and Sun bhukti [significator of 6,5,2,7 and in sub > > of Mars who occupies 6 and owns 1,8]. Now as Sun doesn't signify > > 3,5,9 thru its sub, will it give the results of 3,5,9 during its > > bhukti period? Please clarify my doubt.> > > > > > I feel next bhukti of Moon [significator of 6,1,8,5 and in sub of > > Sun who occupies 5 and owns 6], would be more convenient to change > > his job. What's your opinion on this?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards & Best Wishes,> > > ANTARIKSH> > > > > > " Those who know Astrology can only indicate in a way what will > > take place in future. Who else, except the Creator, Brahma, can say > > with certainty what will definitely happen? " - B. V. Raman> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sagar S <ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > @gro ups.com> > > Saturday, September 6, 2008 12:44:45 AM> > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in sub of Rahu, in 10th. > > > Dear Antariksh > > > jupiter signifying 9th and in the sub of Rahu in 10th has to give > > better change of job on or after Jupiter gets direct motion if > > 6,2,10,11 dasha,b,a,sookshma period coincide. > > > Sahhasra Saagara> > > > > > --- On Fri, 5/9/08, *** ANTARIKSH *** <antariksh_80@ ..com> > > wrote: > > > > > > *** ANTARIKSH *** <antariksh_80@ ..com>> > > Horary >> Timing an event> > > @gro ups.com > > > Friday, 5 September, 2008, 2:08 PM> > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs,> > > I'm having some confusion while predicting time of an event using > > horary. If the cuspal sub-lord signifies the primary and/or the > > secondary houses related to the matter asked, it said that the > > matter will fructify in the joint period of the significators of the > > concerned houses. > > > Now in case there are more than 6 significators for the concerned > > houses, then how would one determine the correct period of the event?> > > One method is to eliminate the significators using Ruling planets. > > That's fine as long as there are 3 RPs. But in cases we find 4-5 RPs > > inluding two nodes, how would someone judge the joint period?> > > Here I've a question if Rahu/Ketu acts as an agent for a planet > > which is not among the ruling planets, but is a significator of > > concerned matter - can we still eliminate that planet as it's not an > > RP?> > > I've heard about another method of looking into the sub lord of > > each of the significators, if both the significator and its sub lord > > signify the concerned house(s), then only it would be considered as > > one of the joint period rulers (D/B/A/S). We need to start checking > > from the Time Of Judgement period rulers. > > > It's also said that if cusp sub lord of 11th is a fast moving > > plant, matter will fructify [querent's desire will be fulfilled] > > within near future (in hours/days/month) , otherwise it'd delay (in > > days/months/ years) [Astrosecrets & KP]> > > Please correct me if my understanding is wrong. > > > Here is an example I was working on. I cordially invite your > > valuable comments on this! > > > Query: " Will I be able to change my job to a better one? If yes, > > then when? " > > > Horary No.: 7 (1 to 249)> > > TOJ: September 03, 2008, 11:52:57PM IST > > > POJ: 88:24:32 E / 22:36:39 N (Geographic) > > > > > > Joint period rulers at the TOJ:- Mars-Sun-Saturn- Sun > > > > > > Analysis: > > > > > > Cuspal sub lord of 10th: Mars. > > > Cuspal sub lord signifies following bhavas – > > > A. 6 > > > B. 6 > > > C.. 5 > > > D. 1, 8 > > > So matter is confirmed. > > > > > > Time of Event: > > > > > > Significators of 3rd house: > > > A. x > > > B. x > > > C. Ketu > > > D. Mercury > > > > > > Significators of 5th house: > > > A. x > > > B. Sun, Saturn > > > C. Mercury, Venus, Mars > > > D. Moon > > > > > > Significators of 9th house: > > > A. x > > > B. Jupiter[R] > > > C. x > > > D. Jupiter[R] > > > > > > Significators: Ketu, Merecury, Sun, Saturn, Venus, Mars, Moon, > > Jupiter [R] > > > > > > Ruling planets at the TOJ:- > > > Asc. Sub lord: Jupiter[R] > > > Asc. Star lord: Ketu > > > Asc. Sign lord: Mars > > > Moon Star lord: Mars > > > Moon Sign lord: Venus > > > Day lord: Mercury > > > > > > Rahu represents: Saturn > > > Ketu represents: Moon > > > > > > Ruling planets: Ketu, Mars, Venus, Mercury, Jupiter[R] > > > > > > Keeping Jupiter here as after second week of september, it'd come > > in direct motion, so it'd be a fruitful significator. > > > > > > As Moon is represented by Ketu, matter will be materialized in > > Mars dasa, Moon bhukti, Jupiter anthara. > > > Mars in sub of Saturn, owns 11th, 12th and in 5th. > > > Moon in sub of Sun, owns 6th and in 5th. > > > Mercury in sub of Rahu, in 10th. > > > Jupiter in sub of Rahu, in 10th. > > > > > > Discarding Sun as Sun in sub of Mars owns 1st and 8th and in 6th - > > none of 3, 5 or 9. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Antariksh > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 , " swami " <swami wrote: > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > Hare Ram Krishna > Dear Dr Sheetal, > A` small point. > Number represent thought.Sincere or insincere is judged if reflected by MOON.Planets in whole OR RP OR Arudh lagna has essential elements for its fructification in seed form. > If questioner is insincere why entertain him? > with best wishes. > > > OM TATSAT > ------------------------ > Swami_RCSrivastava Astrologer > Teaching & Consultations > http:\\www.kaalvastu.com] > ----------------------- > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who has > created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. " > -- > > - > Sheetal > > Thursday, September 11, 2008 6:51 PM > Re: Re: Horary >> Timing an event > > > > Dear sir > > In horary, KP number will express the only sincere thought, through Moon position.So querier should be very sincere with the particular query while giving the number. > > If horary no is not reflecting the query, one has to stop working on it and becos it was not a sincere query how will it relate to query next time also. So we have to take another number next time after explaining the querient regarding importance of sincerity of thought of query in his mind at the time of giving horary no. > > If Moon position reflects the query, and by chance u r unable to solve the query at that time, in such condition we can use the same horary number next time. > > Regards > Dr Sheetal > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:08 PM, swami <swami wrote: > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > Hare Ram Krishna > Dear friends, > Why second number should be taken for reworking at different time if Same question is to be examined for the same querent? > I am reading this view here. > Any reason or logic. > According to fundamentals of Astrology, in hindu numerology Number is expression of Thought.IN KP and also in vedic it is seed for Horary, a method to find Aarudh. > Why should it be altered ? > I will be happy to learn the logic behind . > with best wishes. > PROF KSK said , if one retakes question at other times same cusp calculation can be used if Astrologer does not change place, This i remember having read. > > OM TATSAT > ------------------------ > Swami_RCSrivastava Astrologer > Teaching & Consultations > http:\\www.kaalvastu.com] > ----------------------- > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who has created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. " > -- > > - > Luther Rath > > Wednesday, September 10, 2008 5:15 PM > Re: Re: Horary >> Timing an event > > > > Dear Sujat, > You are very right. The Moon must reflect the mind of the querist. Unless he is sincere result will not be correct. > Dr. Luther > > > > > sujatkaram <sujatkaram > > Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:59:10 AM > Re: Horary >> Timing an event > > > Respected Members, > Sir, > In Horary,before undertaking analysis of the chart, the astrologer > should first examine the moon,s position in the chart to ascertain > whether the querrent is right earnest in his querry or not. The moon > must be directly connected with the main or the sub-houses in > question.If not, the astrologer should not proceed because this shows > that the questioner,s mind is not in the querry and so the prediction > might go wrong. He should try again next time with a new KP number. > In four-step theory,retrogressio n of planets is not taken into > consideration ,as far as I know. It is considered only while > examining the Transit.This is a new approach and has not yet been > established. > The step-by-step guidelines given by Mr. Gopalkrishnan are really > excellent.New students like us need such comprehensive guidelines. > Thanks to him. > The point given by Dr. Luther is new to me. I will certainly try it > in future. Thanks to him. > with regards, > sujat. > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ....> wrote: > > > > Respected Sir, > > If the sub-lord of XI is in the constellation of a retrograde > planet the mater will not come through. One need not go ahead. Taking > another horary number for review leads to invalid prediction. I don't > remember if I have ever read about the effect if the sub-lord of a > cusp concerned with a mater occupies a constellation of a retrograde > planet.This is about horary chart. It is not mendatory that the > result will be negative if the sub-lord of a houce occupies a > constellation of a retrograde planet. Rather it is said retrograde > planets are stronger. > > Comments from seniors are invited. > > With regards. > > > > Dr. Luther > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853@> > > @gro ups.com > > Monday, September 8, 2008 1:52:06 PM > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event > > > > > > It's more interesting what will be the result of the concerned > house, > > if the sublord of the concerned cusp or 11th cusp is in the sub of > > retrograde planet. > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > tw > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ....> > wrote: > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > As far as I remember, in horary, first of all we have to examine > the > > XI cusp. XI cusp sub-lord if retrograde,the mater may come to > fruition > > but only after the sub-lord takes a direct course and reaches the > > point from where it began retrograde motion. If its star-lord is > > retrograde then the result is negative. One need not proceed > further. > > If the star lord is in direct motion then one has to examine other > > points mentioned by you. > > > With regards. > > > Dr. Luther > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S.Gopalakrishnan <subragops3@ ...> > > > @gro ups.com > > > Monday, September 8, 2008 1:05:41 AM > > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event > > > > > > > > > Dear Antariksh Ji, > > > > > > The KP Horary Rules are stated as under: > > > > > > 1) For every query, find out the MOST IMPORTANT house, its cuspal > > > sub-lord and the star-lord of the cuspal sub-lord. > > > > > > 2) Find out the houses RELATED to this main house, its cuspal sub- > > > lord and the star-lord of the cuspal sub-lord. > > > > > > 3) The Cuspal sub-lord of the main house should NOT be retrograde > > > itself at the time of judgement. > > > > > > 4) The star-lord of the cuspal sub-lord of the main shouse should > > > NOT be retrograde at the time of judgement. > > > > > > 5) The main house sub-lord should be related with other houses > > > pertaining to the question. > > > > > > 6) Finally, rules (3), (4) and (5) should be SIMULTANEOUSLY > > > satisfied to denote a positive answer. If any one of the rules > (3) > > > or (4) or (5) is not satisfied, it shows a negative result for > the > > > querent. Results will not fructify. > > > > > > These are the horary rules I have learnt and applying to > situations. > > > > > > Hope the Senior Members will add more light.. > > > > > > Regards > > > S.Gopalakrishnan > > > > > > @gro ups.com, *** ANTARIKSH *** > > > <antariksh_80@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear L Y Rao, > > > > > > > > I'm sorry I didn't understand what you meant in your last mail. > > > Please explain it clearly. > > > > > > > > Please > > > > note that I'm a follower of KP principles. In my previous mail, > I > > > > talked about some of my doubts I faced while predicting thru KP > > > Horary > > > > [using principles mentioned in Nakshtra Chintamani and Astro > > > Secrets & KP] and humbly requested all KP stalwarts to > > > > help me understanding the KP Horary rules better and rectify my > > > > prediction if it was wrong. > > > > > > > > I don't know if that's something > > > > " re-kindling a well-settled controversy, all over again " . If so > I > > > really > > > > apologize. Really this is not the site meant for helping ALL KP > > > lovers > > > > to understand the subject better? > > > > > > > > Regards & Best Wishes, > > > > ANTARIKSH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@ ..> > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > Cc: ANTARIKSH <antariksh_80@ ...> > > > > Sunday, September 7, 2008 11:03:18 AM > > > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Antariksh, > > > > I wonder if you know about how bitterly BV > > > Raman and his " more-loyal- than-the- king " followers had waged a > WAR > > > against KSK and lost miserably... not very long ago... > > > > It seems to me that you are interested in > > > re-kindling a well-settled controversy, all over again...IF so, > this > > > is a K.P. site...please note...not meant for you,in my humble > > > opinion... > > > > Kindly desist from comparing Raman's > > > version of Traditional Astrology with the far superior technique > of > > > K.P. ! > > > > L.Yogesh Rao. > > > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sagar S <ssagar86@ .> > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > Saturday, 6 September, 2008 10:07:52 PM > > > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event > > > > > > > > > > > > BEFORE 31ST OCTOBER CHANGE OF WILL TAKE PLACE AS IT SIGNIFIES > 6TH > > > mARS OCCUPIED AND SUN TOO SIGNIFIES 6TH. > > > > sAHHASRA sAAGARA > > > > NOTE; DHANISHTA MAY BE THE FRUIYFUL STAR > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 6/9/08, *** ANTARIKSH *** <antariksh_80@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > *** ANTARIKSH *** <antariksh_80@ > > > > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > Saturday, 6 September, 2008, 12:06 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sagar ji, > > > > > > > > Jupiter will get direct motion in the second week of September. > At > > > that time [till 31-oct-08], native (as per horary) will go thru > Mars > > > dasha [significator of 6,5,1,8 and in sub of Saturn who occupies > 5 > > > and owns 11,12] and Sun bhukti [significator of 6,5,2,7 and in > sub > > > of Mars who occupies 6 and owns 1,8]. Now as Sun doesn't signify > > > 3,5,9 thru its sub, will it give the results of 3,5,9 during its > > > bhukti period? Please clarify my doubt. > > > > > > > > I feel next bhukti of Moon [significator of 6,1,8,5 and in sub > of > > > Sun who occupies 5 and owns 6], would be more convenient to > change > > > his job. What's your opinion on this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards & Best Wishes, > > > > ANTARIKSH > > > > > > > > " Those who know Astrology can only indicate in a way what will > > > take place in future. Who else, except the Creator, Brahma, can > say > > > with certainty what will definitely happen? " - B. V. Raman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sagar S <ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > Saturday, September 6, 2008 12:44:45 AM > > > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in sub of Rahu, in 10th. > > > > Dear Antariksh > > > > jupiter signifying 9th and in the sub of Rahu in 10th has to > give > > > better change of job on or after Jupiter gets direct motion if > > > 6,2,10,11 dasha,b,a,sookshma period coincide. > > > > Sahhasra Saagara > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 5/9/08, *** ANTARIKSH *** <antariksh_80@ > ..com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > *** ANTARIKSH *** <antariksh_80@ ..com> > > > > Horary >> Timing an event > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > Friday, 5 September, 2008, 2:08 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > I'm having some confusion while predicting time of an event > using > > > horary. If the cuspal sub-lord signifies the primary and/or the > > > secondary houses related to the matter asked, it said that the > > > matter will fructify in the joint period of the significators of > the > > > concerned houses. > > > > Now in case there are more than 6 significators for the > concerned > > > houses, then how would one determine the correct period of the > event? > > > > One method is to eliminate the significators using Ruling > planets. > > > That's fine as long as there are 3 RPs. But in cases we find 4-5 > RPs > > > inluding two nodes, how would someone judge the joint period? > > > > Here I've a question if Rahu/Ketu acts as an agent for a planet > > > which is not among the ruling planets, but is a significator of > > > concerned matter - can we still eliminate that planet as it's not > an > > > RP? > > > > I've heard about another method of looking into the sub lord of > > > each of the significators, if both the significator and its sub > lord > > > signify the concerned house(s), then only it would be considered > as > > > one of the joint period rulers (D/B/A/S). We need to start > checking > > > from the Time Of Judgement period rulers. > > > > It's also said that if cusp sub lord of 11th is a fast moving > > > plant, matter will fructify [querent's desire will be fulfilled] > > > within near future (in hours/days/month) , otherwise it'd delay > (in > > > days/months/ years) [Astrosecrets & KP] > > > > Please correct me if my understanding is wrong. > > > > Here is an example I was working on. I cordially invite your > > > valuable comments on this! > > > > Query: " Will I be able to change my job to a better one? If > yes, > > > then when? " > > > > Horary No.: 7 (1 to 249) > > > > TOJ: September 03, 2008, 11:52:57PM IST > > > > POJ: 88:24:32 E / 22:36:39 N (Geographic) > > > > > > > > Joint period rulers at the TOJ:- Mars-Sun-Saturn- Sun > > > > > > > > Analysis: > > > > > > > > Cuspal sub lord of 10th: Mars. > > > > Cuspal sub lord signifies following bhavas – > > > > A. 6 > > > > B. 6 > > > > C.. 5 > > > > D. 1, 8 > > > > So matter is confirmed. > > > > > > > > Time of Event: > > > > > > > > Significators of 3rd house: > > > > A. x > > > > B. x > > > > C. Ketu > > > > D. Mercury > > > > > > > > Significators of 5th house: > > > > A. x > > > > B. Sun, Saturn > > > > C. Mercury, Venus, Mars > > > > D. Moon > > > > > > > > Significators of 9th house: > > > > A. x > > > > B. Jupiter[R] > > > > C. x > > > > D. Jupiter[R] > > > > > > > > Significators: Ketu, Merecury, Sun, Saturn, Venus, Mars, Moon, > > > Jupiter [R] > > > > > > > > Ruling planets at the TOJ:- > > > > Asc. Sub lord: Jupiter[R] > > > > Asc. Star lord: Ketu > > > > Asc. Sign lord: Mars > > > > Moon Star lord: Mars > > > > Moon Sign lord: Venus > > > > Day lord: Mercury > > > > > > > > Rahu represents: Saturn > > > > Ketu represents: Moon > > > > > > > > Ruling planets: Ketu, Mars, Venus, Mercury, Jupiter[R] > > > > > > > > Keeping Jupiter here as after second week of september, it'd > come > > > in direct motion, so it'd be a fruitful significator. > > > > > > > > As Moon is represented by Ketu, matter will be materialized in > > > Mars dasa, Moon bhukti, Jupiter anthara. > > > > Mars in sub of Saturn, owns 11th, 12th and in 5th. > > > > Moon in sub of Sun, owns 6th and in 5th. > > > > Mercury in sub of Rahu, in 10th. > > > > Jupiter in sub of Rahu, in 10th. > > > > > > > > Discarding Sun as Sun in sub of Mars owns 1st and 8th and in > 6th - > > > none of 3, 5 or 9. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Antariksh > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > > > > > > > > > Dear All,, Here TOJ for an event was as shows above, Ruling planets at the TOJ:- > > > > Asc. Sub lord: Jupiter[R] > > > > Asc. Star lord: Ketu > > > > Asc. Sign lord: Mars > > > > Moon Star lord: Mars > > > > Moon Sign lord: Venus > > > > Day lord: Mercury > according to Sentitive Point,we can easily search the take_place in the Zodiac.The Day was wednesday.The Moon was Taurus.so the positions of mercury & Venus to be checked .and Asc: was Mars..Not consider Asc,sub & Asc,Star..the planets get involved were Mars,Mercury,Venus only 3#.The Sensitive Point in Zodiac was " Aries " where the lord was Mars & The Star Venus namely Bharani exists in the Aries.The Planet Mars position play a vital role in the whole Zodia..easy my way to the TOJ on events. regards,,, zwetinwin, myanmar,,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 , " David Way " <leozwe wrote: > > , " swami " <swami@> wrote: > > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > Hare Ram Krishna > > Dear Dr Sheetal, > > A` small point. > > Number represent thought.Sincere or insincere is judged if reflected > by MOON.Planets in whole OR RP OR Arudh lagna has essential elements > for its fructification in seed form. > > If questioner is insincere why entertain him? > > with best wishes. > > > > > > OM TATSAT > > ------------------------ > > Swami_RCSrivastava Astrologer > > Teaching & Consultations > > http:\\www.kaalvastu.com] > > ----------------------- > > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being > who has > > created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. " > > -- > > > > - > > Sheetal > > > > Thursday, September 11, 2008 6:51 PM > > Re: Re: Horary >> Timing an event > > > > > > > > Dear sir > > > > In horary, KP number will express the only sincere thought, > through Moon position.So querier should be very sincere with the > particular query while giving the number. > > > > If horary no is not reflecting the query, one has to stop working > on it and becos it was not a sincere query how will it relate to query > next time also. So we have to take another number next time after > explaining the querient regarding importance of sincerity of thought > of query in his mind at the time of giving horary no. > > > > If Moon position reflects the query, and by chance u r unable to > solve the query at that time, in such condition we can use the same > horary number next time. > > > > Regards > > Dr Sheetal > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:08 PM, swami <swami@> wrote: > > > > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > Hare Ram Krishna > > Dear friends, > > Why second number should be taken for reworking at different > time if Same question is to be examined for the same querent? > > I am reading this view here. > > Any reason or logic. > > According to fundamentals of Astrology, in hindu numerology > Number is expression of Thought.IN KP and also in vedic it is seed for > Horary, a method to find Aarudh. > > Why should it be altered ? > > I will be happy to learn the logic behind . > > with best wishes. > > PROF KSK said , if one retakes question at other times same cusp > calculation can be used if Astrologer does not change place, This i > remember having read. > > > > OM TATSAT > > ------------------------ > > Swami_RCSrivastava Astrologer > > Teaching & Consultations > > http:\\www.kaalvastu.com] > > ----------------------- > > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine > Being who has created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. " > > -- > > > > - > > Luther Rath > > > > Wednesday, September 10, 2008 5:15 PM > > Re: Re: Horary >> Timing an event > > > > > > > > Dear Sujat, > > You are very right. The Moon must reflect the mind of the > querist. Unless he is sincere result will not be correct. > > Dr. Luther > > > > > > > > > > sujatkaram <sujatkaram@> > > > > Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:59:10 AM > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event > > > > > > Respected Members, > > Sir, > > In Horary,before undertaking analysis of the chart, the > astrologer > > should first examine the moon,s position in the chart to > ascertain > > whether the querrent is right earnest in his querry or not. > The moon > > must be directly connected with the main or the sub-houses in > > question.If not, the astrologer should not proceed because > this shows > > that the questioner,s mind is not in the querry and so the > prediction > > might go wrong. He should try again next time with a new KP > number. > > In four-step theory,retrogressio n of planets is not taken into > > consideration ,as far as I know. It is considered only while > > examining the Transit.This is a new approach and has not yet been > > established. > > The step-by-step guidelines given by Mr. Gopalkrishnan are really > > excellent.New students like us need such comprehensive > guidelines. > > Thanks to him. > > The point given by Dr. Luther is new to me. I will certainly > try it > > in future. Thanks to him. > > with regards, > > sujat. > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ > ...> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Sir, > > > If the sub-lord of XI is in the constellation of a retrograde > > planet the mater will not come through. One need not go ahead. > Taking > > another horary number for review leads to invalid prediction. > I don't > > remember if I have ever read about the effect if the sub-lord > of a > > cusp concerned with a mater occupies a constellation of a > retrograde > > planet.This is about horary chart. It is not mendatory that the > > result will be negative if the sub-lord of a houce occupies a > > constellation of a retrograde planet. Rather it is said > retrograde > > planets are stronger. > > > Comments from seniors are invited. > > > With regards. > > > > > > Dr. Luther > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853@> > > > @gro ups.com > > > Monday, September 8, 2008 1:52:06 PM > > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event > > > > > > > > > It's more interesting what will be the result of the concerned > > house, > > > if the sublord of the concerned cusp or 11th cusp is in the > sub of > > > retrograde planet. > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ > ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > > As far as I remember, in horary, first of all we have to > examine > > the > > > XI cusp. XI cusp sub-lord if retrograde,the mater may come to > > fruition > > > but only after the sub-lord takes a direct course and > reaches the > > > point from where it began retrograde motion. If its star-lord is > > > retrograde then the result is negative. One need not proceed > > further. > > > If the star lord is in direct motion then one has to examine > other > > > points mentioned by you. > > > > With regards. > > > > Dr. Luther > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S.Gopalakrishnan <subragops3@ ...> > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > Monday, September 8, 2008 1:05:41 AM > > > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Antariksh Ji, > > > > > > > > The KP Horary Rules are stated as under: > > > > > > > > 1) For every query, find out the MOST IMPORTANT house, its > cuspal > > > > sub-lord and the star-lord of the cuspal sub-lord. > > > > > > > > 2) Find out the houses RELATED to this main house, its > cuspal sub- > > > > lord and the star-lord of the cuspal sub-lord. > > > > > > > > 3) The Cuspal sub-lord of the main house should NOT be > retrograde > > > > itself at the time of judgement. > > > > > > > > 4) The star-lord of the cuspal sub-lord of the main shouse > should > > > > NOT be retrograde at the time of judgement. > > > > > > > > 5) The main house sub-lord should be related with other > houses > > > > pertaining to the question. > > > > > > > > 6) Finally, rules (3), (4) and (5) should be SIMULTANEOUSLY > > > > satisfied to denote a positive answer. If any one of the > rules > > (3) > > > > or (4) or (5) is not satisfied, it shows a negative result > for > > the > > > > querent. Results will not fructify. > > > > > > > > These are the horary rules I have learnt and applying to > > situations. > > > > > > > > Hope the Senior Members will add more light.. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > S.Gopalakrishnan > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, *** ANTARIKSH *** > > > > <antariksh_80@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear L Y Rao, > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry I didn't understand what you meant in your > last mail. > > > > Please explain it clearly. > > > > > > > > > > Please > > > > > note that I'm a follower of KP principles. In my > previous mail, > > I > > > > > talked about some of my doubts I faced while predicting > thru KP > > > > Horary > > > > > [using principles mentioned in Nakshtra Chintamani and > Astro > > > > Secrets & KP] and humbly requested all KP stalwarts to > > > > > help me understanding the KP Horary rules better and > rectify my > > > > > prediction if it was wrong. > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if that's something > > > > > " re-kindling a well-settled controversy, all over > again " . If so > > I > > > > really > > > > > apologize. Really this is not the site meant for helping > ALL KP > > > > lovers > > > > > to understand the subject better? > > > > > > > > > > Regards & Best Wishes, > > > > > ANTARIKSH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@ ..> > > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > > Cc: ANTARIKSH <antariksh_80@ ...> > > > > > Sunday, September 7, 2008 11:03:18 AM > > > > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Antariksh, > > > > > I wonder if you know about how bitterly BV > > > > Raman and his " more-loyal- than-the- king " followers had > waged a > > WAR > > > > against KSK and lost miserably... not very long ago... > > > > > It seems to me that you are interested in > > > > re-kindling a well-settled controversy, all over > again...IF so, > > this > > > > is a K.P. site...please note...not meant for you,in my humble > > > > opinion... > > > > > Kindly desist from comparing Raman's > > > > version of Traditional Astrology with the far superior > technique > > of > > > > K.P. ! > > > > > L.Yogesh Rao. > > > > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sagar S <ssagar86@ .> > > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > > Saturday, 6 September, 2008 10:07:52 PM > > > > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BEFORE 31ST OCTOBER CHANGE OF WILL TAKE PLACE AS IT > SIGNIFIES > > 6TH > > > > mARS OCCUPIED AND SUN TOO SIGNIFIES 6TH. > > > > > sAHHASRA sAAGARA > > > > > NOTE; DHANISHTA MAY BE THE FRUIYFUL STAR > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 6/9/08, *** ANTARIKSH *** <antariksh_80@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > *** ANTARIKSH *** <antariksh_80@ > > > > > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event > > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > > Saturday, 6 September, 2008, 12:06 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sagar ji, > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter will get direct motion in the second week of > September. > > At > > > > that time [till 31-oct-08], native (as per horary) will go > thru > > Mars > > > > dasha [significator of 6,5,1,8 and in sub of Saturn who > occupies > > 5 > > > > and owns 11,12] and Sun bhukti [significator of 6,5,2,7 > and in > > sub > > > > of Mars who occupies 6 and owns 1,8]. Now as Sun doesn't > signify > > > > 3,5,9 thru its sub, will it give the results of 3,5,9 > during its > > > > bhukti period? Please clarify my doubt. > > > > > > > > > > I feel next bhukti of Moon [significator of 6,1,8,5 and > in sub > > of > > > > Sun who occupies 5 and owns 6], would be more convenient to > > change > > > > his job. What's your opinion on this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards & Best Wishes, > > > > > ANTARIKSH > > > > > > > > > > " Those who know Astrology can only indicate in a way > what will > > > > take place in future. Who else, except the Creator, > Brahma, can > > say > > > > with certainty what will definitely happen? " - B. V. Raman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sagar S <ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > > Saturday, September 6, 2008 12:44:45 AM > > > > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in sub of Rahu, in 10th. > > > > > Dear Antariksh > > > > > jupiter signifying 9th and in the sub of Rahu in 10th > has to > > give > > > > better change of job on or after Jupiter gets direct > motion if > > > > 6,2,10,11 dasha,b,a,sookshma period coincide. > > > > > Sahhasra Saagara > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 5/9/08, *** ANTARIKSH *** <antariksh_80@ > > ..com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > *** ANTARIKSH *** <antariksh_80@ ..com> > > > > > Horary >> Timing an event > > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > > Friday, 5 September, 2008, 2:08 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > I'm having some confusion while predicting time of an event > > using > > > > horary. If the cuspal sub-lord signifies the primary > and/or the > > > > secondary houses related to the matter asked, it said that > the > > > > matter will fructify in the joint period of the > significators of > > the > > > > concerned houses. > > > > > Now in case there are more than 6 significators for the > > concerned > > > > houses, then how would one determine the correct period of > the > > event? > > > > > One method is to eliminate the significators using Ruling > > planets. > > > > That's fine as long as there are 3 RPs. But in cases we > find 4-5 > > RPs > > > > inluding two nodes, how would someone judge the joint period? > > > > > Here I've a question if Rahu/Ketu acts as an agent for a > planet > > > > which is not among the ruling planets, but is a > significator of > > > > concerned matter - can we still eliminate that planet as > it's not > > an > > > > RP? > > > > > I've heard about another method of looking into the sub > lord of > > > > each of the significators, if both the significator and > its sub > > lord > > > > signify the concerned house(s), then only it would be > considered > > as > > > > one of the joint period rulers (D/B/A/S). We need to start > > checking > > > > from the Time Of Judgement period rulers. > > > > > It's also said that if cusp sub lord of 11th is a fast > moving > > > > plant, matter will fructify [querent's desire will be > fulfilled] > > > > within near future (in hours/days/month) , otherwise it'd > delay > > (in > > > > days/months/ years) [Astrosecrets & KP] > > > > > Please correct me if my understanding is wrong. > > > > > Here is an example I was working on. I cordially invite > your > > > > valuable comments on this! > > > > > Query: " Will I be able to change my job to a better one? If > > yes, > > > > then when? " > > > > > Horary No.: 7 (1 to 249) > > > > > TOJ: September 03, 2008, 11:52:57PM IST > > > > > POJ: 88:24:32 E / 22:36:39 N (Geographic) > > > > > > > > > > Joint period rulers at the TOJ:- Mars-Sun-Saturn- Sun > > > > > > > > > > Analysis: > > > > > > > > > > Cuspal sub lord of 10th: Mars. > > > > > Cuspal sub lord signifies following bhavas – > > > > > A. 6 > > > > > B. 6 > > > > > C.. 5 > > > > > D. 1, 8 > > > > > So matter is confirmed. > > > > > > > > > > Time of Event: > > > > > > > > > > Significators of 3rd house: > > > > > A. x > > > > > B. x > > > > > C. Ketu > > > > > D. Mercury > > > > > > > > > > Significators of 5th house: > > > > > A. x > > > > > B. Sun, Saturn > > > > > C. Mercury, Venus, Mars > > > > > D. Moon > > > > > > > > > > Significators of 9th house: > > > > > A. x > > > > > B. Jupiter[R] > > > > > C. x > > > > > D. Jupiter[R] > > > > > > > > > > Significators: Ketu, Merecury, Sun, Saturn, Venus, Mars, > Moon, > > > > Jupiter [R] > > > > > > > > > > Ruling planets at the TOJ:- > > > > > Asc. Sub lord: Jupiter[R] > > > > > Asc. Star lord: Ketu > > > > > Asc. Sign lord: Mars > > > > > Moon Star lord: Mars > > > > > Moon Sign lord: Venus > > > > > Day lord: Mercury > > > > > > > > > > Rahu represents: Saturn > > > > > Ketu represents: Moon > > > > > > > > > > Ruling planets: Ketu, Mars, Venus, Mercury, Jupiter[R] > > > > > > > > > > Keeping Jupiter here as after second week of september, > it'd > > come > > > > in direct motion, so it'd be a fruitful significator. > > > > > > > > > > As Moon is represented by Ketu, matter will be > materialized in > > > > Mars dasa, Moon bhukti, Jupiter anthara. > > > > > Mars in sub of Saturn, owns 11th, 12th and in 5th. > > > > > Moon in sub of Sun, owns 6th and in 5th. > > > > > Mercury in sub of Rahu, in 10th. > > > > > Jupiter in sub of Rahu, in 10th. > > > > > > > > > > Discarding Sun as Sun in sub of Mars owns 1st and 8th > and in > > 6th - > > > > none of 3, 5 or 9. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Antariksh > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,, > Here TOJ for an event was as shows above, > Ruling planets at the TOJ:- > > > > > Asc. Sub lord: Jupiter[R] > > > > > Asc. Star lord: Ketu > > > > > Asc. Sign lord: Mars > > > > > Moon Star lord: Mars > > > > > Moon Sign lord: Venus > > > > > Day lord: Mercury > > according to Sentitive Point,we can easily search the > take_place in the Zodiac.The Day was wednesday.The Moon was Taurus.so > the positions of mercury & Venus to be checked .and Asc: was Mars..Not > consider Asc,sub & Asc,Star..the planets get involved were > Mars,Mercury,Venus only 3#.The Sensitive Point in Zodiac was " Aries > " where the lord was Mars & The Star Venus namely Bharani exists in the,, > Aries.The Planet Mars position play a vital role in the whole > Zodia.Another sensitive point was In Sign Mercury VIRGO,AT THE STAR OF CHITRA,Mars Star,,,,,coz Day of Judge was Wednesday & Moon'star and lord of Asc was Mars.....CONSIDER 1 & 6 HOUSES ONLY,,,,,,.easy my way to the TOJ on events. > regards,,, > zwetinwin, > myanmar,,,, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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