Marriage analysis in KP - Request (KP Significators A-E)

September 29, 2008

Dear Friends,

1. The following write up from "Krishnamurti Padhdhati, Vol.

2, 1966, Sagar Publications, p 274" 1) with "sub" and 2) "order (a)" (for example chart, born on 3-11-1939) is not found

reliably applied in the original KP Volume 2 and not mentioned in any KP Reader,

and also not found practically applied by any reliable KP astrologer.

"Houses 2, 5 and

11 are to be judged (for child birth). Therefore

follow the order below:-

(a) The planets tenanted in the constellations or "subs" of the

occupants of the Bhavas 2, 5 and 11,

(b) Occupants of 2nd, 5th and 11th Bhavasa,

houses 2, 5 and 11,

(d) Lords of 2, 5 and 11,

(e) Those conjoined with or aspected by any of significators.

It is important to

note that if one does not get significators according to the order (a), then

only the next rule should be applied and one stops at a stage when he gets at

least 3 significators. At last one is to proceed further and apply the last

rule (order (e)). "

2. As per KP significator table, any grade significator (A

to E) can give the result of an event, if it is in the sub signifying the

required houses, for marriage 2,7,11. Even grade A significator cannot give the

result, if it is in the sub signifying only the adverse houses, for marriage

1,6,10. Judgment of strength by grade A

to D is crucial when the same significator is signifying both required and

adverse houses in different grades, for marriage 6, 7 at the same time.

Comments with logical reasoning will be helpful to learn KP.

Thanks and regards,

tw

, sujata das <sujatadash1 wrote:>> Dear Babu> My dob is 5-5-55, pob is delhi, tob is 9-37pm. See for urself> Regards> Sujata> > --- On Fri, 26/9/08, babukrcbe babukrcbe wrote:> > babukrcbe babukrcbe Re: Marriage analysis in KP - Request> > Friday, 26 September, 2008, 5:56 PM> > > > > > > Dear Sujata Ji,> > As per Dhanabalan Ji (rather as per KP original volumes) one has to > select B grade significator only when A grade significator is not > available and so on and so forth.> > Did you have A or B or C grade significators for 7 & 11? and got A > grade significator for 6 or 10 or 11. ? > > If true, Thanks for pitching in. It makes no sense to me and I do > not want to accept the above theory blindfolded as it doesn't go > with my conscience.> > Regards,> K.Babu> > @gro ups.com, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...> > wrote:> >> > Dear MrDhanbalan> > I got married in grade D significators of7 and 11. Igot a job in > grade b significator of 6 10 11.Dr Kar rectified my horoscope> > Regards> > Sujata> > > > > > --- On Wed, 24/9/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>> > Re: Marriage analysis in KP - Request> > @gro ups.com> > Wednesday, 24 September, 2008, 7:23 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babukrcbe > > Â > > In K.P., only primary significators are to be taken as per > Mr.KSKâ€™s guidelines. But you have taken all the A,B,C and D grade > significators and telling that there is chance to get marry every > day. > > Only if A grade significator is not available then Â you have to > choose B grade significator. > > Only if B grade significator is not available then Â you have to > choose C grade significator. > > Only if C grade significator is not available then Â you have to > choose D grade significator. > > Only if D grade significator is not available then Â you have to > choose E grade significator. > > Â > > In total you should get minimum 3 significators for an event. > > Â > > I have already shown the evidence in k.p.original volume. Mr.Punit > Pandey asked me to show the evidence and I have shown. In the > k.p.Readers, this rule is not followed. > > Â > > In 4 step method, in case of more significators, it is advisable > to filter the significators based on conjoined and aspected planets > in all the 4 steps. > > Â > > The planets closer to the cusp between 3 to 5 degrees will give > result to that house. ItÂ is followed in 4 step method. It is > considered in â€œSystem Approachâ€ by V.K.Chouthry. Mr.KSK also > considered the planets closer to the cusps. At any cost, the cusp > conjoined planets within 3.20; degree should not be deleted as weak > significator either in k.p.or in 4 step method. > > Â > > The planets closer to any cusp (orb 3.20â€™ degree), eventhough it > is in the previous bhava, it will give result to the next bhava. It > is to be strictly followed in k.p. and in 4 step. > > Â > > I was told by one of the leading K.P. astrologer cum teacher > Mr.Durai Mathivanan in the k.p. monthly meeting on 21-9-2008 at > salem that Mr.KMS has changed his concept of subâ€™s subâ€™s star at > the end of his life.. 4 step method was developed during 1991 based > on KMSâ€™s articles â€œSublord Speaksâ€. But KMS changed his > concept at the end. So the subâ€™s subâ€™s star method is outdated. > Our member Mr.Mohankumar, being the secretary of the salem > k.p.association, he is aware of it. > > Â > > Dhanabalan> > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08, babukrcbe babukrcbe > wrote:> > > > babukrcbe babukrcbe >> > Marriage analysis in KP - Request> > @gro ups.com> > Monday, September 22, 2008, 3:13 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raichur Ji, TW Ji, Sathish Ji, L Y Rao Ji, Punit Ji, MK Ji > and other interested members,> > I request you to analyse my horoscope to find when will I marry.> > My birth details are> > D.O.B : 13th August 1976> > P.O.B : Coimbatore, Tamilnadu> > T.O.B : 8:49:40 AM> > Here is my attempt.> > Classic KP Method:> > Q: Is marriage promised per natal chart?> > Rule: If 7th CSL signifies 2 or 7 or 11, marriage is promised> > K.P Four-fold significators> > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ==> > Sub's star|Sublord| CuspÂ |Â Â AÂ Â Â Â Â |Â Â BÂ Â Â Â Â > |Â Â CÂ Â Â Â Â |Â Â D> > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ==> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â |Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â |Â 2Â Â Â Â Â |Â > RaÂ Â Â Â |Â Â RaÂ Â Â Â | Me,KeÂ |Â Â Ve> > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > ==Â Â Â > > Â Â Â Â SaÂ Â Â Â Â Â |Â SaÂ Â Â |Â 7Â Â Â Â Â |Â --> Â Â Â Â Â |Â Â --Â Â Â Â |Â Â Â --Â Â Â Â |Â Â Ju> > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ==> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â |Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â |Â 11Â Â Â | > Ma,JuÂ Â |Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â |Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â |> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â |Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â |Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â | > Mo,SaÂ Â | Su,Sa | --Â Â Â Â Â Â |Â Â Mo> > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ==> > > > Analysis: 7th cuspal sublord Sa which is in his own star.> > Both Sublord and its star lord signifies 11 (i.e saturn is A grade > significator for house 11)> > Planets that signifies 2 or 7 or 11 are Su(B),Mo(A), Ma(A),Ra( > A),Ju(A), Sa(A),Me( C),Ke©, Ve(D). > > All 9 planets signify 2 or 7 or 11. > > 6 planets are either A or B grade significators and rest are C or > D grade significators.> > 12 to concerned house are not favorable. 12 to 7th cusp is 6 from > Asc. > > However, I would not consider 2nd cusp in this regard, So planets > signifying 12,6 are as follows> > 6th ==> Mo(B & C), Sa©> > Here Sa is not strongly negating. i.e Sa signifies 11 as A & B grade > compared to C grade signification to 6> > So, Marriage is promised.> > Ok. Till now it is no big deal... Marriage Timing??> > Ruling Planets at time of judgement:> > Casting Date and Time: Sunday 21 September 2008 03:56:37 PM> > Place of Casting: Mars, Pennysylvania, USA (80:0:42 W,Â 40:41:45 > N) > > Place is near to pittsburgh> > Lagna: JuÂ Ve (SgL StL)> > Moon: MeÂ Ma (SgL StL)> > Day Lord is: Su> > No Planets in Star of Retrograde Planets> > No Planets in Sub of Retrograde Planets> > Rahu Agent For: MoÂ SaÂ > > Ketu Agent For: MoÂ MeÂ > > As Me is in RP, Ke acts as an agent for Me.> > So effective RP's are Ju,Ve,Me,Ma, Su,Ke> > Common planets in significator table and RP:> > All planets in RPs are significators of 2 or 7 or 11 (coz all the > 9 planets signify 2 or 7 or 11)> > Fruitful significators: > > 1) Using RPs : Ju,Ve, Me, Ma, Su, Ke> > 2) selecting the significators which are in the stars of the cusp > sub lord of the concerned houses : Mo (Mo is deposited in 7th and > 11th CSL Sa), Sa (Sa is deposited in own star which is 5th, 7th and > 11th CSL)> > 3) selecting the significators whose sub lords are one of the > significators: Ju, Sa, Me, Ra, Ve (as all 9 planets signify 2 or 7 > or 11, I have taken sublords of all planets)> > Summation : Ju,Ve,Me,Ma, Su,Ke (As per RP) : Mo & Sa (As per 2nd > method) : Ju, Sa, Me, Ra, Ve (As per 3rd method)> > Negative Significators: 6th house significators ==> Mo(B & C), Sa> ©. Here Mo is very close to 7th cusp i.e less than 1.5 degrees. > Also Mo is in Star and Sublord of 7th CSL. So Mo very well signifies > 7th cusp and it is in star of Sa which strongly signifies 11th cusp. > So, I would like to reject Mo as strong negator to 7th. Sa also I > would like to reject as it is strong significator of 11th house & > cusp> > Effective Fruitful Significators: Ju,Ve,Me,Ma, Su,Ke (as per RP), > Sa (as strong significator of 11) & Ra (as per 3rd method and also A > significator of 2nd house). Only Mo is left out.> > Q: When will marriage fructify?> > Timing Event:> > Year: Ju is in Ve & Su star till 21st Jan 2009. After that Mo star > which we are not considering.> > Month: Su will be in stars other than Mo in almost all through the > way as all 8 planets are fruitful significators> > Day : Mo will be in stars other than Mo in almost all through the > way as all 8 planets are fruitful significators> > D.B.A => Me-Ju-Mo (20th Aug 2008 to 28th Oct 2008) - No> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Me-Ju-Ma (28th Oct 2008 to 15th Dec > 2008) - Yes (I believe this is most effective as Ma is Yogi planet > and it is in 11th in navamsa. Pardon me to deviate from KP rules. > Just that I want to use all systems to fortify my prognosis. I'm > fond of Sheshadri Iyer's divisional chart reading method. Iyer and > Guruji KSK were contemporaries and both were of same philosophy on > star lord's role in astrology until KSK invented sub lord theory)> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Me-Ju-Ra (15th Dec 2008 to 18th Apr > 2009) - Yes> > Conclusion: There is a chance to get marry every day > > > > 4 Step Theory:> > Planet: KetÂ Â Occ: 8 (Asp: 2 Asp: RaÂ Asp.By: SaÂ RaÂ ){SgL: > MaÂ Occ: 12[P]Â Owns: 3[P](e) 8 }> > It's STAR LORD: VenÂ Occ: 12Â Owns: 2 9(e) > > It's SUB LORD: VenÂ Occ: 12Â Owns: 2 9(e) > > SUB's STAR LORD: KetÂ Â Occ: 8 (Asp: 2 Asp: RaÂ Asp.By: SaÂ > RaÂ ){SgL: MaÂ Occ: 12[P]Â Owns: 3[P](e) 8 }> > Effectively Ke : 12,2,9> > Planet: VenÂ Occ: 12Â Owns: 2 9(e) > > It's STAR LORD: KetÂ Â Occ: 8 (Asp: 2 Asp: RaÂ Asp.By: SaÂ > RaÂ ){SgL: MaÂ Occ: 12[P]Â Owns: 3[P](e) 8 }> > It's SUB LORD: MerÂ Occ: 12Â Owns: 1(e) 10(e) > > SUB's STAR LORD: VenÂ Occ: 12Â Owns: 2 9(e) > > Effectively Ve : 8,12,2,9> > Planet: SunÂ Occ: 11Â Owns: 12 > > It's STAR LORD: MerÂ Occ: 12Â Owns: 1(e) 10(e) > > It's SUB LORD: JupÂ Occ: 8[P]Â Owns: 4[P](e) 7[P](e) (Conj: 9Â )> > SUB's STAR LORD: SunÂ Occ: 11Â Owns: 12 > > Effectively Su : 12,1,10,8,9, 4,7,11> > Planet: MooÂ Occ: 6[P]Â Owns: 11 (Conj: 7Â )> > It's STAR LORD: SatÂ Occ: 11[P]Â Owns: 5[P](e) 6 > > It's SUB LORD: SatÂ Occ: 11[P]Â Owns: 5[P](e) 6 > > SUB's STAR LORD: SatÂ Occ: 11[P]Â Owns: 5[P](e) 6 > > Effectively Mo : 6,11,7,5> > Planet: MarÂ Occ: 12[P]Â Owns: 3[P](e) 8 > > It's STAR LORD: SunÂ Occ: 11Â Owns: 12 > > It's SUB LORD: RahÂ Â Occ: 2 (Asp: 8 Asp: KeÂ Asp.By: KeÂ )> {SgL: VeÂ Occ: 12Â Owns: 2 9(e) }> > SUB's STAR LORD: RahÂ Â Occ: 2 (Asp: 8 Asp: KeÂ Asp.By: KeÂ )> {SgL: VeÂ Occ: 12Â Owns: 2 9(e) }> > Effectively Ma : 6,11,7,5> > Planet: RahÂ Â Occ: 2 (Asp: 8 Asp: KeÂ Asp.By: KeÂ ){SgL: VeÂ > Occ: 12Â Owns: 2 9(e) }> > It's STAR LORD: RahÂ Â Occ: 2 (Asp: 8 Asp: KeÂ Asp.By: KeÂ )> {SgL: VeÂ Occ: 12Â Owns: 2 9(e) }> > It's SUB LORD: MerÂ Occ: 12Â Owns: 1(e) 10(e) > > SUB's STAR LORD: VenÂ Occ: 12Â Owns: 2 9(e) > > Effectively Ra : 2,12,2,9> > Planet: JupÂ Occ: 8[P]Â Owns: 4[P](e) 7[P](e) (Conj: 9Â )> > It's STAR LORD: SunÂ Occ: 11Â Owns: 12 > > It's SUB LORD: MerÂ Occ: 12Â Owns: 1(e) 10(e) > > SUB's STAR LORD: VenÂ Occ: 12Â Owns: 2 9(e) > > Effectively Ju : 8,9,4,7,11,12, 2> > Planet: SatÂ Occ: 11[P]Â Owns: 5[P](e) 6 > > It's STAR LORD: SatÂ Occ: 11[P]Â Owns: 5[P](e) 6 > > It's SUB LORD: JupÂ Occ: 8[P]Â Owns: 4[P](e) 7[P](e) (Conj: 9Â )> > SUB's STAR LORD: SunÂ Occ: 11Â Owns: 12 > > Effectively Sa : 11,5,6,8,9,4, 7,12> > Planet: MerÂ Occ: 12Â Owns: 1(e) 10(e) > > It's STAR LORD: VenÂ Occ: 12Â Owns: 2 9(e) > > It's SUB LORD: JupÂ Occ: 8[P]Â Owns: 4[P](e) 7[P](e) (Conj: 9Â )> > SUB's STAR LORD: SunÂ Occ: 11Â Owns: 12 > > Effectively Me : 12,2,9,8,9,4, 7,11> > Q: Is marriage promised?> > A: 7th CSL Sa signifies 11,5 in 1st & 2nd step and 11th in 4th > step and hence marriage is promised.> > Planets signification pertaining to 2,7,11. We leave -ve house > signification in 4 step> > Ke => 2> > Ve => 2> > Su => 7,11> > Mo => 7,11> > Ma => 7,11> > Ra => 2> > Ju => 7,11> > Sa => 7,11> > Me => 2,7,11> > Again all 9 planets signify 2 or 7 or 11.> > Q: When will marriage fructify?> > Rule: The event will fructify only when the DBA lords are jointly > the primary significators of all the required houses (2, 7, 11 for > marriage), signifying at least one different house each by DBA. > > Timing Event:> > D.B.A => Me-Ju-Mo (20th Aug 2008 to 28th Oct 2008) - Yes (Me-> 2,7,11 : Ju-7,11 :Â Mo-7,11)> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Me-Ju-Ma (28th Oct 2008 to 15th Dec 2008) - > Yes (Me-2,7,11 : Ju-7,11 :Â Ma-7,11)> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Me-Ju-Ra (15th Dec 2008 to 18th Apr 2009) - > Yes (Me-2,7,11 : Ju-7,11 :Â Ra-2)> > Conclusion: Again, There is a chance to get marry every day Â > > > > Request: Although the classic KP method and 4 step suggests that > chances to get marry is almost every day in reality this is not > happening. Marriage has not happened till now coz I my brother > marriage was delayed one and it just happened in July 2008. Also I > have punarphoo and it cannot delay further from here as I have > crossed 32 year mark. > > I request members to analyse my approach of the methods discussed > above and guide me if I have made any mistake. Secondly and more > importantly, can you provide me likely dates for marriage? In my > humble opinion, horary comes to rescue in these cases, I believe. > I'm not an expert in any system and Horary is never my cup of tea. I > request the seniors to help me in this.> > Here is my question: When will I marry?> > Horary Number : 31> > I would like to know the following> > 1) When will I marry?> > 2) May I know her characteristics?> > 3) Will she be working and in that case what could be her field of > profession?> > Here are some of my details just in case if you want to verify> > Physical Appearence: Looks young than age. I attribute this to Me > who is sublord of Asc. Many say I look like 26-27 although I'm 32 > now. Affected by residual polio paralysis (left leg, very mild) when > I was 2 year old but can do things everyday activity normally and > can drive 2 wheeler and 4 wheeler very well. On a lighter note,Â I > drive 4 wheeler like Michael Schumaker and so my friends call me > Mysore Schumaker (when I was in Mysore, Karnataka)> > Education:Â Â B.E Mechanical Engineer (1993-1997), M.E > Engineering Design(1997- 1999)> > Occupation: Mechanical Engineer (2000-2001)> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Software Engineer (2001 - till > date) > > Thanks for reading such a long story of mine.> > Regards,> > K.Babu> > Notes:> > 1) I have used Jothish Deepika for casting chart with KP New > Ayanamsa> > 2) 6,8,12th houses are unfavorable to house in question. Hence > 6th, 12th and 2th house from Asc are unfavorable. However 2nd house > cannot be considered as unfavorable as 2nd house itself is one of > supporting house for mariage.. 8th house to 7th house can cause > obstacles but cannot deny. So only 12th house to 7th house can deny > marriage i..e 6th house signification is detrimental to marriage. > Thatz why I have used only 6th house for negation in above analysis. > I could be wrong in this. I request learned scholars to guide me.> > 3) I have referred TW Ji's article "Differences between KP and > Four Step Method by Tin Win in ASTROVISION, July 2008" from files > section. I cannot express in words how much this kind of summary > articles have been helpful. KP community is greatly indebted to TW > Ji for his compilation and analysis.> > 4) Thanks to Gondalekar Ji for his 4 step contribution> > 5) Birth Time is verified by MK's rule. Thanks to MK Ji for > sharing this rule.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Go > to http://in.webmessen ger.. com/> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html/>

September 30, 2008

Dear TW Ji,

I have a chart of a native who got married recently. I would like to

dissect and post it for members perusal in this weekend. My work is

hectic this week.

Regards,

K.Babu

, " tw853 " <tw853 wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> 1. The following write up from " Krishnamurti Padhdhati, Vol. 2,

> 1966, Sagar Publications, p 274 " 1) with " sub " and 2) " order

> (a) " (for example chart, born on 3-11-1939) is not found reliably

> applied in the original KP Volume 2 and not mentioned in any KP

Reader,

> and also not found practically applied by any reliable KP

astrologer.

>

> " Houses 2, 5 and 11 are to be judged (for child birth). Therefore

> follow the order below:-

> (a) The planets tenanted in the constellations or " subs " of the

> occupants of the Bhavas 2, 5 and 11,

> (b) Occupants of 2nd, 5th and 11th Bhavasa,

> © Planets in the constellations or " sub " of the lords of the

> houses 2, 5 and 11,

> (d) Lords of 2, 5 and 11,

> (e) Those conjoined with or aspected by any of significators.

>

> It is important to note that if one does not get significators

according

> to the order (a), then only the next rule should be applied and one

> stops at a stage when he gets at least 3 significators. At last

one is

> to proceed further and apply the last rule (order (e)). "

>

> 2. As per KP significator table, any grade significator (A to E)

can

> give the result of an event, if it is in the sub signifying the

required

> houses, for marriage 2,7,11. Even grade A significator cannot give

the

> result, if it is in the sub signifying only the adverse houses, for

> marriage 1,6,10. Judgment of strength by grade A to D is crucial

when

> the same significator is signifying both required and adverse

houses in

> different grades, for marriage 6, 7 at the same time.

>

> Comments with logical reasoning will be helpful to learn KP.

>

> Thanks and regards,

>

> tw

>

> , sujata das <sujatadash1@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Babu

> > My dob is 5-5-55, pob is delhi, tob is 9-37pm. See for urself

> > Regards

> > Sujata

> >

> > --- On Fri, 26/9/08, babukrcbe babukrcbe@ wrote:

> >

> > babukrcbe babukrcbe@

> > Re: Marriage analysis in KP - Request

> >

> > Friday, 26 September, 2008, 5:56 PM

> >

> > Dear Sujata Ji,

> >

> > As per Dhanabalan Ji (rather as per KP original volumes) one has

to

> > select B grade significator only when A grade significator is not

> > available and so on and so forth.

> >

> > Did you have A or B or C grade significators for 7 & 11? and got

A

> > grade significator for 6 or 10 or 11. ?

> >

> > If true, Thanks for pitching in. It makes no sense to me and I do

> > not want to accept the above theory blindfolded as it doesn't go

> > with my conscience.

> >

> > Regards,

> > K.Babu

> >

> > @gro ups.com, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear MrDhanbalan

> > > I got married in grade D significators of7 and 11. Igot a job

in

> > grade b significator of 6 10 11.Dr Kar rectified my horoscope

> > > Regards

> > > Sujata

> > >

> > > --- On Wed, 24/9/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

> > > Re: Marriage analysis in KP - Request

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Wednesday, 24 September, 2008, 7:23 PM

> > >

> > > Dear Babukrcbe

> > > Â

> > > In K.P., only primary significators are to be taken as per

> > Mr.KSKâ€™s guidelines. But you have taken all the A,B,C and D

> grade

> > significators and telling that there is chance to get marry every

> > day.

> > > Only if A grade significator is not available then Â you have

to

> > choose B grade significator.

> > > Only if B grade significator is not available then Â you have

to

> > choose C grade significator.

> > > Only if C grade significator is not available then Â you have

to

> > choose D grade significator.

> > > Only if D grade significator is not available then Â you have

to

> > choose E grade significator.

> > > Â

> > > In total you should get minimum 3 significators for an event.

> > > Â

> > > I have already shown the evidence in k.p.original volume.

Mr.Punit

> > Pandey asked me to show the evidence and I have shown. In the

> > k.p.Readers, this rule is not followed.

> > > Â

> > > In 4 step method, in case of more significators, it is

advisable

> > to filter the significators based on conjoined and aspected

planets

> > in all the 4 steps.

> > > Â

> > > The planets closer to the cusp between 3 to 5 degrees will give

> > result to that house. ItÂ is followed in 4 step method. It is

> > considered in â€œSystem Approachâ€ by V.K.Chouthry. Mr.KSK

> also

> > considered the planets closer to the cusps. At any cost, the cusp

> > conjoined planets within 3.20; degree should not be deleted as

weak

> > significator either in k.p.or in 4 step method.

> > > Â

> > > The planets closer to any cusp (orb 3.20â€™ degree), eventhough

> it

> > is in the previous bhava, it will give result to the next bhava.

It

> > is to be strictly followed in k.p. and in 4 step.

> > > Â

> > > I was told by one of the leading K.P. astrologer cum teacher

> > Mr.Durai Mathivanan in the k.p. monthly meeting on 21-9-2008 at

> > salem that Mr.KMS has changed his concept of subâ€™s subâ€™s

> star at

> > the end of his life.. 4 step method was developed during 1991

based

> > on KMSâ€™s articles â€œSublord Speaksâ€. But KMS

> changed his

> > concept at the end. So the subâ€™s subâ€™s star method is

> outdated.

> > Our member Mr.Mohankumar, being the secretary of the salem

> > k.p.association, he is aware of it.

> > > Â

> > > Dhanabalan

> > >

> > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08, babukrcbe babukrcbe > wrote:

> > >

> > > babukrcbe babukrcbe >

> > > Marriage analysis in KP - Request

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Monday, September 22, 2008, 3:13 AM

> > >

> > > Dear Raichur Ji, TW Ji, Sathish Ji, L Y Rao Ji, Punit Ji, MK Ji

> > and other interested members,

> > > I request you to analyse my horoscope to find when will I

marry.

> > > My birth details are

> > > D.O.B : 13th August 1976

> > > P.O.B : Coimbatore, Tamilnadu

> > > T.O.B : 8:49:40 AM

> > > Here is my attempt.

> > > Classic KP Method:

> > > Q: Is marriage promised per natal chart?

> > > Rule: If 7th CSL signifies 2 or 7 or 11, marriage is promised

> > > K.P Four-fold significators

> > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= =========

==

> > > Sub's star|Sublord| CuspÂ |Â Â AÂ Â Â Â Â

> |Â Â BÂ Â Â Â Â

> > |Â Â CÂ Â Â Â Â |Â Â D

> > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= =========

==

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> |Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â |Â 2Â Â Â Â

> Â |Â

> > RaÂ Â Â Â |Â Â RaÂ Â Â Â | Me,KeÂ

> |Â Â Ve

> > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= =========

> > ==Â Â Â

> > > Â Â Â Â SaÂ Â Â Â Â Â |Â SaÂ

> Â Â |Â 7Â Â Â Â Â |Â --

> > Â Â Â Â Â |Â Â --Â Â Â Â |Â

> Â Â --Â Â Â Â |Â Â Ju

> > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= =========

==

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â |Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â |Â 11Â Â Â

> |

> > Ma,JuÂ Â |Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â |Â

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â |

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â |Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â |Â Â Â Â Â

> Â Â Â |

> > Mo,SaÂ Â | Su,Sa | --Â Â Â Â Â Â |Â Â

> Mo

> > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= =========

==

> > >

> > > Analysis: 7th cuspal sublord Sa which is in his own star.

> > > Both Sublord and its star lord signifies 11 (i.e saturn is A

grade

> > significator for house 11)

> > > Planets that signifies 2 or 7 or 11 are Su(B),Mo(A), Ma(A),Ra(

> > A),Ju(A), Sa(A),Me( C),Ke©, Ve(D).

> > > All 9 planets signify 2 or 7 or 11.

> > > 6 planets are either A or B grade significators and rest are C

or

> > D grade significators.

> > > 12 to concerned house are not favorable. 12 to 7th cusp is 6

from

> > Asc.

> > > However, I would not consider 2nd cusp in this regard, So

planets

> > signifying 12,6 are as follows

> > > 6th ==> Mo(B & C), Sa©

> > > Here Sa is not strongly negating. i.e Sa signifies 11 as A & B

grade

> > compared to C grade signification to 6

> > > So, Marriage is promised.

> > > Ok. Till now it is no big deal... Marriage Timing??

> > > Ruling Planets at time of judgement:

> > > Casting Date and Time: Sunday 21 September 2008 03:56:37 PM

> > > Place of Casting: Mars, Pennysylvania, USA (80:0:42 W,Â

40:41:45

> > N)

> > > Place is near to pittsburgh

> > > Lagna: JuÂ Ve (SgL StL)

> > > Moon: MeÂ Ma (SgL StL)

> > > Day Lord is: Su

> > > No Planets in Star of Retrograde Planets

> > > No Planets in Sub of Retrograde Planets

> > > Rahu Agent For: MoÂ SaÂ

> > > Ketu Agent For: MoÂ MeÂ

> > > As Me is in RP, Ke acts as an agent for Me.

> > > So effective RP's are Ju,Ve,Me,Ma, Su,Ke

> > > Common planets in significator table and RP:

> > > All planets in RPs are significators of 2 or 7 or 11 (coz all

the

> > 9 planets signify 2 or 7 or 11)

> > > Fruitful significators:

> > > 1) Using RPs : Ju,Ve, Me, Ma, Su, Ke

> > > 2) selecting the significators which are in the stars of the

cusp

> > sub lord of the concerned houses : Mo (Mo is deposited in 7th and

> > 11th CSL Sa), Sa (Sa is deposited in own star which is 5th, 7th

and

> > 11th CSL)

> > > 3) selecting the significators whose sub lords are one of the

> > significators: Ju, Sa, Me, Ra, Ve (as all 9 planets signify 2 or

7

> > or 11, I have taken sublords of all planets)

> > > Summation : Ju,Ve,Me,Ma, Su,Ke (As per RP) : Mo & Sa (As per

2nd

> > method) : Ju, Sa, Me, Ra, Ve (As per 3rd method)

> > > Negative Significators: 6th house significators ==> Mo(B & C), Sa

> > ©. Here Mo is very close to 7th cusp i.e less than 1.5 degrees.

> > Also Mo is in Star and Sublord of 7th CSL. So Mo very well

signifies

> > 7th cusp and it is in star of Sa which strongly signifies 11th

cusp.

> > So, I would like to reject Mo as strong negator to 7th. Sa also I

> > would like to reject as it is strong significator of 11th house &

> > cusp

> > > Effective Fruitful Significators: Ju,Ve,Me,Ma, Su,Ke (as per

RP),

> > Sa (as strong significator of 11) & Ra (as per 3rd method and

also A

> > significator of 2nd house). Only Mo is left out.

> > > Q: When will marriage fructify?

> > > Timing Event:

> > > Year: Ju is in Ve & Su star till 21st Jan 2009. After that Mo

star

> > which we are not considering.

> > > Month: Su will be in stars other than Mo in almost all through

the

> > way as all 8 planets are fruitful significators

> > > Day : Mo will be in stars other than Mo in almost all through

the

> > way as all 8 planets are fruitful significators

> > > D.B.A => Me-Ju-Mo (20th Aug 2008 to 28th Oct 2008) - No

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Me-Ju-Ma (28th Oct 2008 to 15th Dec

> > 2008) - Yes (I believe this is most effective as Ma is Yogi

planet

> > and it is in 11th in navamsa. Pardon me to deviate from KP rules.

> > Just that I want to use all systems to fortify my prognosis. I'm

> > fond of Sheshadri Iyer's divisional chart reading method. Iyer

and

> > Guruji KSK were contemporaries and both were of same philosophy

on

> > star lord's role in astrology until KSK invented sub lord theory)

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Me-Ju-Ra (15th Dec 2008 to 18th Apr

> > 2009) - Yes

> > > Conclusion: There is a chance to get marry every day

> > >

> > > 4 Step Theory:

> > > Planet: KetÂ Â Occ: 8 (Asp: 2 Asp: RaÂ Asp.By: SaÂ

> RaÂ ){SgL:

> > MaÂ Occ: 12[P]Â Owns: 3[P](e) 8 }

> > > It's STAR LORD: VenÂ Occ: 12Â Owns: 2 9(e)

> > > It's SUB LORD: VenÂ Occ: 12Â Owns: 2 9(e)

> > > SUB's STAR LORD: KetÂ Â Occ: 8 (Asp: 2 Asp: RaÂ Asp.By:

> SaÂ

> > RaÂ ){SgL: MaÂ Occ: 12[P]Â Owns: 3[P](e) 8 }

> > > Effectively Ke : 12,2,9

> > > Planet: VenÂ Occ: 12Â Owns: 2 9(e)

> > > It's STAR LORD: KetÂ Â Occ: 8 (Asp: 2 Asp: RaÂ Asp.By:

> SaÂ

> > RaÂ ){SgL: MaÂ Occ: 12[P]Â Owns: 3[P](e) 8 }

> > > It's SUB LORD: MerÂ Occ: 12Â Owns: 1(e) 10(e)

> > > SUB's STAR LORD: VenÂ Occ: 12Â Owns: 2 9(e)

> > > Effectively Ve : 8,12,2,9

> > > Planet: SunÂ Occ: 11Â Owns: 12

> > > It's STAR LORD: MerÂ Occ: 12Â Owns: 1(e) 10(e)

> > > It's SUB LORD: JupÂ Occ: 8[P]Â Owns: 4[P](e) 7[P](e) (Conj:

> 9Â )

> > > SUB's STAR LORD: SunÂ Occ: 11Â Owns: 12

> > > Effectively Su : 12,1,10,8,9, 4,7,11

> > > Planet: MooÂ Occ: 6[P]Â Owns: 11 (Conj: 7Â )

> > > It's STAR LORD: SatÂ Occ: 11[P]Â Owns: 5[P](e) 6

> > > It's SUB LORD: SatÂ Occ: 11[P]Â Owns: 5[P](e) 6

> > > SUB's STAR LORD: SatÂ Occ: 11[P]Â Owns: 5[P](e) 6

> > > Effectively Mo : 6,11,7,5

> > > Planet: MarÂ Occ: 12[P]Â Owns: 3[P](e) 8

> > > It's STAR LORD: SunÂ Occ: 11Â Owns: 12

> > > It's SUB LORD: RahÂ Â Occ: 2 (Asp: 8 Asp: KeÂ Asp.By:

> KeÂ )

> > {SgL: VeÂ Occ: 12Â Owns: 2 9(e) }

> > > SUB's STAR LORD: RahÂ Â Occ: 2 (Asp: 8 Asp: KeÂ Asp.By:

> KeÂ )

> > {SgL: VeÂ Occ: 12Â Owns: 2 9(e) }

> > > Effectively Ma : 6,11,7,5

> > > Planet: RahÂ Â Occ: 2 (Asp: 8 Asp: KeÂ Asp.By: KeÂ

> ){SgL: VeÂ

> > Occ: 12Â Owns: 2 9(e) }

> > > It's STAR LORD: RahÂ Â Occ: 2 (Asp: 8 Asp: KeÂ Asp.By:

> KeÂ )

> > {SgL: VeÂ Occ: 12Â Owns: 2 9(e) }

> > > It's SUB LORD: MerÂ Occ: 12Â Owns: 1(e) 10(e)

> > > SUB's STAR LORD: VenÂ Occ: 12Â Owns: 2 9(e)

> > > Effectively Ra : 2,12,2,9

> > > Planet: JupÂ Occ: 8[P]Â Owns: 4[P](e) 7[P](e) (Conj: 9Â

> )

> > > It's STAR LORD: SunÂ Occ: 11Â Owns: 12

> > > It's SUB LORD: MerÂ Occ: 12Â Owns: 1(e) 10(e)

> > > SUB's STAR LORD: VenÂ Occ: 12Â Owns: 2 9(e)

> > > Effectively Ju : 8,9,4,7,11,12, 2

> > > Planet: SatÂ Occ: 11[P]Â Owns: 5[P](e) 6

> > > It's STAR LORD: SatÂ Occ: 11[P]Â Owns: 5[P](e) 6

> > > It's SUB LORD: JupÂ Occ: 8[P]Â Owns: 4[P](e) 7[P](e) (Conj:

> 9Â )

> > > SUB's STAR LORD: SunÂ Occ: 11Â Owns: 12

> > > Effectively Sa : 11,5,6,8,9,4, 7,12

> > > Planet: MerÂ Occ: 12Â Owns: 1(e) 10(e)

> > > It's STAR LORD: VenÂ Occ: 12Â Owns: 2 9(e)

> > > It's SUB LORD: JupÂ Occ: 8[P]Â Owns: 4[P](e) 7[P](e) (Conj:

> 9Â )

> > > SUB's STAR LORD: SunÂ Occ: 11Â Owns: 12

> > > Effectively Me : 12,2,9,8,9,4, 7,11

> > > Q: Is marriage promised?

> > > A: 7th CSL Sa signifies 11,5 in 1st & 2nd step and 11th in 4th

> > step and hence marriage is promised.

> > > Planets signification pertaining to 2,7,11. We leave -ve house

> > signification in 4 step

> > > Ke => 2

> > > Ve => 2

> > > Su => 7,11

> > > Mo => 7,11

> > > Ma => 7,11

> > > Ra => 2

> > > Ju => 7,11

> > > Sa => 7,11

> > > Me => 2,7,11

> > > Again all 9 planets signify 2 or 7 or 11.

> > > Q: When will marriage fructify?

> > > Rule: The event will fructify only when the DBA lords are

jointly

> > the primary significators of all the required houses (2, 7, 11

for

> > marriage), signifying at least one different house each by DBA.

> > > Timing Event:

> > > D.B.A => Me-Ju-Mo (20th Aug 2008 to 28th Oct 2008) - Yes (Me-

> > 2,7,11 : Ju-7,11 :Â Mo-7,11)

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Me-Ju-Ma

> (28th Oct 2008 to 15th Dec 2008) -

> > Yes (Me-2,7,11 : Ju-7,11 :Â Ma-7,11)

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Me-Ju-Ra

> (15th Dec 2008 to 18th Apr 2009) -

> > Yes (Me-2,7,11 : Ju-7,11 :Â Ra-2)

> > > Conclusion: Again, There is a chance to get marry every day Â

> > >

> > > Request: Although the classic KP method and 4 step suggests

that

> > chances to get marry is almost every day in reality this is not

> > happening. Marriage has not happened till now coz I my brother

> > marriage was delayed one and it just happened in July 2008. Also

I

> > have punarphoo and it cannot delay further from here as I have

> > crossed 32 year mark.

> > > I request members to analyse my approach of the methods

discussed

> > above and guide me if I have made any mistake. Secondly and more

> > importantly, can you provide me likely dates for marriage? In my

> > humble opinion, horary comes to rescue in these cases, I believe.

> > I'm not an expert in any system and Horary is never my cup of

tea. I

> > request the seniors to help me in this.

> > > Here is my question: When will I marry?

> > > Horary Number : 31

> > > I would like to know the following

> > > 1) When will I marry?

> > > 2) May I know her characteristics?

> > > 3) Will she be working and in that case what could be her

field of

> > profession?

> > > Here are some of my details just in case if you want to verify

> > > Physical Appearence: Looks young than age. I attribute this to

Me

> > who is sublord of Asc. Many say I look like 26-27 although I'm 32

> > now. Affected by residual polio paralysis (left leg, very mild)

when

> > I was 2 year old but can do things everyday activity normally and

> > can drive 2 wheeler and 4 wheeler very well. On a lighter note,Â

I

> > drive 4 wheeler like Michael Schumaker and so my friends call me

> > Mysore Schumaker (when I was in Mysore, Karnataka)

> > > Education:Â Â B.E Mechanical Engineer (1993-1997), M.E

> > Engineering Design(1997- 1999)

> > > Occupation: Mechanical Engineer (2000-2001)

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â Â Â Â Software Engineer (2001 - till

> > date)

> > > Thanks for reading such a long story of mine.

> > > Regards,

> > > K.Babu

> > > Notes:

> > > 1) I have used Jothish Deepika for casting chart with KP New

> > Ayanamsa

> > > 2) 6,8,12th houses are unfavorable to house in question. Hence

> > 6th, 12th and 2th house from Asc are unfavorable. However 2nd

house

> > cannot be considered as unfavorable as 2nd house itself is one of

> > supporting house for mariage.. 8th house to 7th house can cause

> > obstacles but cannot deny. So only 12th house to 7th house can

deny

> > marriage i..e 6th house signification is detrimental to marriage.

> > Thatz why I have used only 6th house for negation in above

analysis.

> > I could be wrong in this. I request learned scholars to guide me.

> > > 3) I have referred TW Ji's article " Differences between KP and

> > Four Step Method by Tin Win in ASTROVISION, July 2008 " from files

> > section. I cannot express in words how much this kind of summary

> > articles have been helpful. KP community is greatly indebted to

TW

> > Ji for his compilation and analysis.

> > > 4) Thanks to Gondalekar Ji for his 4 step contribution

> > > 5) Birth Time is verified by MK's rule. Thanks to MK Ji for

> > sharing this rule.

> > >

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>

September 30, 2008

Dear TW,

Appreciate your help in enlightenin' the role of Star and sub on equal footing. in the 5 fold significators, we never were used to "sub" any where. Many astrologers have being using selectively sub to 'fit' into the analysis.

I would not be surprised to find very soon the starlord of the subs introduced as significators,along with others.' Somehow ' - method has become a way of life.

More the merrier as they say.

Regards,

Satish--- On Mon, 9/29/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

tw853 <tw853 Re: Marriage analysis in KP - Request (KP Significators A-E) Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 7:20 AM

Dear Friends,

1. The following write up from "Krishnamurti Padhdhati, Vol. 2, 1966, Sagar Publications, p 274" 1) with "sub" and 2) "order (a)" (for example chart, born on 3-11-1939) is not found reliably applied in the original KP Volume 2 and not mentioned in any KP Reader, and also not found practically applied by any reliable KP astrologer.

"Houses 2, 5 and 11 are to be judged (for child birth). Thereforefollow the order below:-(a) The planets tenanted in the constellations or "subs" of theoccupants of the Bhavas 2, 5 and 11,(b) Occupants of 2nd, 5th and 11th Bhavasa,© Planets in the constellations or "sub" of the lords of thehouses 2, 5 and 11,(d) Lords of 2, 5 and 11,(e) Those conjoined with or aspected by any of significators.

It is important to note that if one does not get significators according to the order (a), then only the next rule should be applied and one stops at a stage when he gets at least 3 significators. At last one is to proceed further and apply the last rule (order (e)). "

2. As per KP significator table, any grade significator (A to E) can give the result of an event, if it is in the sub signifying the required houses, for marriage 2,7,11. Even grade A significator cannot give the result, if it is in the sub signifying only the adverse houses, for marriage 1,6,10. Judgment of strength by grade A to D is crucial when the same significator is signifying both required and adverse houses in different grades, for marriage 6, 7 at the same time.

Comments with logical reasoning will be helpful to learn KP.

Thanks and regards,

tw

@gro ups.com, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Babu> My dob is 5-5-55, pob is delhi, tob is 9-37pm. See for urself> Regards> Sujata> > --- On Fri, 26/9/08, babukrcbe babukrcbe@.. . wrote:> > babukrcbe babukrcbe@.. .> Re: Marriage analysis in KP - Request> @gro ups.com> Friday, 26 September, 2008, 5:56 PM> > > > > > > Dear Sujata Ji,> > As per Dhanabalan Ji (rather as per KP original volumes) one has to > select B grade significator only when A grade significator is not > available and so on and so forth.> > Did you have A or B or C grade significators for 7 & 11? and got A > grade significator for 6 or 10 or 11. ? > > If true,

Thanks for pitching in. It makes no sense to me and I do > not want to accept the above theory blindfolded as it doesn't go > with my conscience.> > Regards,> K.Babu> > @gro ups.com, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...> > wrote:> >> > Dear MrDhanbalan> > I got married in grade D significators of7 and 11. Igot a job in > grade b significator of 6 10 11.Dr Kar rectified my horoscope> > Regards> > Sujata> > > > > > --- On Wed, 24/9/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>> > Re: Marriage analysis in KP - Request> > @gro ups.com> > Wednesday, 24 September, 2008, 7:23 PM> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babukrcbe > > Ã‚ > > In K.P., only primary significators are to be taken as per > Mr.KSKÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s guidelines. But you have taken all the A,B,C and D grade > significators and telling that there is chance to get marry every > day. > > Only if A grade significator is not available then Ã‚ you have to > choose B grade significator. > > Only if B grade significator is not available then Ã‚ you have to > choose C grade significator. > > Only if C grade significator is not available then Ã‚ you have to > choose D grade significator. > > Only if D grade significator is not available then Ã‚ you have to > choose E grade significator. > > Ã‚ > > In total you should get minimum 3 significators for an

event. > > Ã‚ > > I have already shown the evidence in k.p.original volume. Mr.Punit > Pandey asked me to show the evidence and I have shown. In the > k.p.Readers, this rule is not followed. > > Ã‚ > > In 4 step method, in case of more significators, it is advisable > to filter the significators based on conjoined and aspected planets > in all the 4 steps. > > Ã‚ > > The planets closer to the cusp between 3 to 5 degrees will give > result to that house. ItÃ‚ is followed in 4 step method. It is > considered in Ã¢â‚¬Å“System ApproachÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½ by V.K.Chouthry. Mr.KSK also > considered the planets closer to the cusps. At any cost, the cusp > conjoined planets within 3.20; degree should not be deleted as weak > significator either in k.p.or in 4 step method. > > Ã‚ > > The planets closer to

any cusp (orb 3.20Ã¢â‚¬â„¢ degree), eventhough it > is in the previous bhava, it will give result to the next bhava. It > is to be strictly followed in k.p. and in 4 step. > > Ã‚ > > I was told by one of the leading K.P. astrologer cum teacher > Mr.Durai Mathivanan in the k.p. monthly meeting on 21-9-2008 at > salem that Mr.KMS has changed his concept of subÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s subÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s star at > the end of his life.. 4 step method was developed during 1991 based > on KMSÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s articles Ã¢â‚¬Å“Sublord SpeaksÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½. But KMS changed his > concept at the end. So the subÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s subÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s star method is outdated. > Our member Mr.Mohankumar, being the secretary of the salem > k.p.association, he is aware of it. > > Ã‚ > > Dhanabalan> > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08, babukrcbe babukrcbe > wrote:> > >

> babukrcbe babukrcbe >> > Marriage analysis in KP - Request> > @gro ups.com> > Monday, September 22, 2008, 3:13 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raichur Ji, TW Ji, Sathish Ji, L Y Rao Ji, Punit Ji, MK Ji > and other interested members,> > I request you to analyse my horoscope to find when will I marry.> > My birth details are> > D.O.B : 13th August 1976> > P.O.B : Coimbatore, Tamilnadu> > T.O.B : 8:49:40 AM> > Here is my attempt.> > Classic KP Method:> > Q: Is marriage promised per natal chart?> > Rule: If 7th CSL signifies 2 or 7 or 11, marriage is promised> > K.P Four-fold significators> > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ==> > Sub's

|Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ | > Mo,SaÃ‚ Ã‚ | Su,Sa | --Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ |Ã‚ Ã‚ Mo> > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ==> > > > Analysis: 7th cuspal sublord Sa which is in his own star.> > Both Sublord and its star lord signifies 11 (i.e saturn is A grade > significator for house 11)> > Planets that signifies 2 or 7 or 11 are Su(B),Mo(A), Ma(A),Ra( > A),Ju(A), Sa(A),Me( C),Ke©, Ve(D). > > All 9 planets signify 2 or 7 or 11. > > 6 planets are either A or B grade significators and rest are C or > D grade significators.> > 12 to concerned house are not favorable. 12 to 7th cusp is 6 from > Asc. > > However, I would not consider 2nd cusp in this regard, So planets > signifying 12,6 are as follows>

> 6th ==> Mo(B & C), Sa©> > Here Sa is not strongly negating. i.e Sa signifies 11 as A & B grade > compared to C grade signification to 6> > So, Marriage is promised.> > Ok. Till now it is no big deal... Marriage Timing??> > Ruling Planets at time of judgement:> > Casting Date and Time: Sunday 21 September 2008 03:56:37 PM> > Place of Casting: Mars, Pennysylvania, USA (80:0:42 W,Ã‚ 40:41:45 > N) > > Place is near to pittsburgh> > Lagna: JuÃ‚ Ve (SgL StL)> > Moon: MeÃ‚ Ma (SgL StL)> > Day Lord is: Su> > No Planets in Star of Retrograde Planets> > No Planets in Sub of Retrograde Planets> > Rahu Agent For: MoÃ‚ SaÃ‚ > > Ketu Agent For: MoÃ‚ MeÃ‚ > > As Me is in RP, Ke acts as an agent for Me.> > So effective RP's are Ju,Ve,Me,Ma,

Su,Ke> > Common planets in significator table and RP:> > All planets in RPs are significators of 2 or 7 or 11 (coz all the > 9 planets signify 2 or 7 or 11)> > Fruitful significators: > > 1) Using RPs : Ju,Ve, Me, Ma, Su, Ke> > 2) selecting the significators which are in the stars of the cusp > sub lord of the concerned houses : Mo (Mo is deposited in 7th and > 11th CSL Sa), Sa (Sa is deposited in own star which is 5th, 7th and > 11th CSL)> > 3) selecting the significators whose sub lords are one of the > significators: Ju, Sa, Me, Ra, Ve (as all 9 planets signify 2 or 7 > or 11, I have taken sublords of all planets)> > Summation : Ju,Ve,Me,Ma, Su,Ke (As per RP) : Mo & Sa (As per 2nd > method) : Ju, Sa, Me, Ra, Ve (As per 3rd method)> > Negative Significators: 6th house significators ==> Mo(B & C), Sa> ©.

Here Mo is very close to 7th cusp i.e less than 1.5 degrees. > Also Mo is in Star and Sublord of 7th CSL. So Mo very well signifies > 7th cusp and it is in star of Sa which strongly signifies 11th cusp. > So, I would like to reject Mo as strong negator to 7th. Sa also I > would like to reject as it is strong significator of 11th house & > cusp> > Effective Fruitful Significators: Ju,Ve,Me,Ma, Su,Ke (as per RP), > Sa (as strong significator of 11) & Ra (as per 3rd method and also A > significator of 2nd house). Only Mo is left out.> > Q: When will marriage fructify?> > Timing Event:> > Year: Ju is in Ve & Su star till 21st Jan 2009. After that Mo star > which we are not considering.> > Month: Su will be in stars other than Mo in almost all through the > way as all 8 planets are fruitful significators> > Day : Mo will be

in stars other than Mo in almost all through the > way as all 8 planets are fruitful significators> > D.B.A => Me-Ju-Mo (20th Aug 2008 to 28th Oct 2008) - No> > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Me-Ju-Ma (28th Oct 2008 to 15th Dec > 2008) - Yes (I believe this is most effective as Ma is Yogi planet > and it is in 11th in navamsa. Pardon me to deviate from KP rules. > Just that I want to use all systems to fortify my prognosis. I'm > fond of Sheshadri Iyer's divisional chart reading method. Iyer and > Guruji KSK were contemporaries and both were of same philosophy on > star lord's role in astrology until KSK invented sub lord theory)> > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Me-Ju-Ra (15th Dec 2008 to 18th Apr > 2009) - Yes> >

Conclusion: There is a chance to get marry every day > > > > 4 Step Theory:> > Planet: KetÃ‚ Ã‚ Occ: 8 (Asp: 2 Asp: RaÃ‚ Asp.By: SaÃ‚ RaÃ‚ ){SgL: > MaÃ‚ Occ: 12[P]Ã‚ Owns: 3[P](e) 8 }> > It's STAR LORD: VenÃ‚ Occ: 12Ã‚ Owns: 2 9(e) > > It's SUB LORD: VenÃ‚ Occ: 12Ã‚ Owns: 2 9(e) > > SUB's STAR LORD: KetÃ‚ Ã‚ Occ: 8 (Asp: 2 Asp: RaÃ‚ Asp.By: SaÃ‚ > RaÃ‚ ){SgL: MaÃ‚ Occ: 12[P]Ã‚ Owns: 3[P](e) 8 }> > Effectively Ke : 12,2,9> > Planet: VenÃ‚ Occ: 12Ã‚ Owns: 2 9(e) > > It's STAR LORD: KetÃ‚ Ã‚ Occ: 8 (Asp: 2 Asp: RaÃ‚ Asp.By: SaÃ‚ > RaÃ‚ ){SgL: MaÃ‚ Occ: 12[P]Ã‚ Owns: 3[P](e) 8 }> > It's SUB LORD: MerÃ‚ Occ: 12Ã‚ Owns: 1(e) 10(e) > > SUB's STAR LORD: VenÃ‚

Occ: 12Ã‚ Owns: 2 9(e) > > Effectively Ve : 8,12,2,9> > Planet: SunÃ‚ Occ: 11Ã‚ Owns: 12 > > It's STAR LORD: MerÃ‚ Occ: 12Ã‚ Owns: 1(e) 10(e) > > It's SUB LORD: JupÃ‚ Occ: 8[P]Ã‚ Owns: 4[P](e) 7[P](e) (Conj: 9Ã‚ )> > SUB's STAR LORD: SunÃ‚ Occ: 11Ã‚ Owns: 12 > > Effectively Su : 12,1,10,8,9, 4,7,11> > Planet: MooÃ‚ Occ: 6[P]Ã‚ Owns: 11 (Conj: 7Ã‚ )> > It's STAR LORD: SatÃ‚ Occ: 11[P]Ã‚ Owns: 5[P](e) 6 > > It's SUB LORD: SatÃ‚ Occ: 11[P]Ã‚ Owns: 5[P](e) 6 > > SUB's STAR LORD: SatÃ‚ Occ: 11[P]Ã‚ Owns: 5[P](e) 6 > > Effectively Mo : 6,11,7,5> > Planet: MarÃ‚ Occ: 12[P]Ã‚ Owns: 3[P](e) 8 > > It's STAR LORD: SunÃ‚ Occ: 11Ã‚ Owns: 12 > > It's SUB LORD: RahÃ‚ Ã‚ Occ: 2 (Asp: 8

Asp: KeÃ‚ Asp.By: KeÃ‚ )> {SgL: VeÃ‚ Occ: 12Ã‚ Owns: 2 9(e) }> > SUB's STAR LORD: RahÃ‚ Ã‚ Occ: 2 (Asp: 8 Asp: KeÃ‚ Asp.By: KeÃ‚ )> {SgL: VeÃ‚ Occ: 12Ã‚ Owns: 2 9(e) }> > Effectively Ma : 6,11,7,5> > Planet: RahÃ‚ Ã‚ Occ: 2 (Asp: 8 Asp: KeÃ‚ Asp.By: KeÃ‚ ){SgL: VeÃ‚ > Occ: 12Ã‚ Owns: 2 9(e) }> > It's STAR LORD: RahÃ‚ Ã‚ Occ: 2 (Asp: 8 Asp: KeÃ‚ Asp.By: KeÃ‚ )> {SgL: VeÃ‚ Occ: 12Ã‚ Owns: 2 9(e) }> > It's SUB LORD: MerÃ‚ Occ: 12Ã‚ Owns: 1(e) 10(e) > > SUB's STAR LORD: VenÃ‚ Occ: 12Ã‚ Owns: 2 9(e) > > Effectively Ra : 2,12,2,9> > Planet: JupÃ‚ Occ: 8[P]Ã‚ Owns: 4[P](e) 7[P](e) (Conj: 9Ã‚ )> > It's STAR LORD: SunÃ‚ Occ: 11Ã‚ Owns: 12 > > It's SUB LORD:

MerÃ‚ Occ: 12Ã‚ Owns: 1(e) 10(e) > > SUB's STAR LORD: VenÃ‚ Occ: 12Ã‚ Owns: 2 9(e) > > Effectively Ju : 8,9,4,7,11,12, 2> > Planet: SatÃ‚ Occ: 11[P]Ã‚ Owns: 5[P](e) 6 > > It's STAR LORD: SatÃ‚ Occ: 11[P]Ã‚ Owns: 5[P](e) 6 > > It's SUB LORD: JupÃ‚ Occ: 8[P]Ã‚ Owns: 4[P](e) 7[P](e) (Conj: 9Ã‚ )> > SUB's STAR LORD: SunÃ‚ Occ: 11Ã‚ Owns: 12 > > Effectively Sa : 11,5,6,8,9,4, 7,12> > Planet: MerÃ‚ Occ: 12Ã‚ Owns: 1(e) 10(e) > > It's STAR LORD: VenÃ‚ Occ: 12Ã‚ Owns: 2 9(e) > > It's SUB LORD: JupÃ‚ Occ: 8[P]Ã‚ Owns: 4[P](e) 7[P](e) (Conj: 9Ã‚ )> > SUB's STAR LORD: SunÃ‚ Occ: 11Ã‚ Owns: 12 > > Effectively Me : 12,2,9,8,9,4, 7,11> > Q: Is marriage promised?> > A: 7th CSL Sa signifies 11,5 in 1st

& 2nd step and 11th in 4th > step and hence marriage is promised.> > Planets signification pertaining to 2,7,11. We leave -ve house > signification in 4 step> > Ke => 2> > Ve => 2> > Su => 7,11> > Mo => 7,11> > Ma => 7,11> > Ra => 2> > Ju => 7,11> > Sa => 7,11> > Me => 2,7,11> > Again all 9 planets signify 2 or 7 or 11.> > Q: When will marriage fructify?> > Rule: The event will fructify only when the DBA lords are jointly > the primary significators of all the required houses (2, 7, 11 for > marriage), signifying at least one different house each by DBA. > > Timing Event:> > D.B.A => Me-Ju-Mo (20th Aug 2008 to 28th Oct 2008) - Yes (Me-> 2,7,11 : Ju-7,11 :Ã‚ Mo-7,11)> >

Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Me-Ju-Ma (28th Oct 2008 to 15th Dec 2008) - > Yes (Me-2,7,11 : Ju-7,11 :Ã‚ Ma-7,11)> > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Me-Ju-Ra (15th Dec 2008 to 18th Apr 2009) - > Yes (Me-2,7,11 : Ju-7,11 :Ã‚ Ra-2)> > Conclusion: Again, There is a chance to get marry every day Ã‚ > > > > Request: Although the classic KP method and 4 step suggests that > chances to get marry is almost every day in reality this is not > happening. Marriage has not happened till now coz I my brother > marriage was delayed one and it just happened in July 2008. Also I > have punarphoo and it cannot delay further from here as I have > crossed 32 year mark. > > I request members to analyse my approach of the methods discussed

> above and guide me if I have made any mistake. Secondly and more > importantly, can you provide me likely dates for marriage? In my > humble opinion, horary comes to rescue in these cases, I believe. > I'm not an expert in any system and Horary is never my cup of tea. I > request the seniors to help me in this.> > Here is my question: When will I marry?> > Horary Number : 31> > I would like to know the following> > 1) When will I marry?> > 2) May I know her characteristics?> > 3) Will she be working and in that case what could be her field of > profession?> > Here are some of my details just in case if you want to verify> > Physical Appearence: Looks young than age. I attribute this to Me > who is sublord of Asc. Many say I look like 26-27 although I'm 32 > now. Affected by residual polio paralysis (left leg, very

mild) when > I was 2 year old but can do things everyday activity normally and > can drive 2 wheeler and 4 wheeler very well. On a lighter note,Ã‚ I > drive 4 wheeler like Michael Schumaker and so my friends call me > Mysore Schumaker (when I was in Mysore, Karnataka)> > Education:Ã‚ Ã‚ B.E Mechanical Engineer (1993-1997), M.E > Engineering Design(1997- 1999)> > Occupation: Mechanical Engineer (2000-2001)> > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Software Engineer (2001 - till > date) > > Thanks for reading such a long story of mine.> > Regards,> > K.Babu> > Notes:> > 1) I have used Jothish Deepika for casting chart with KP New > Ayanamsa> > 2) 6,8,12th houses are unfavorable to house in question. Hence

> 6th, 12th and 2th house from Asc are unfavorable. However 2nd house > cannot be considered as unfavorable as 2nd house itself is one of > supporting house for mariage.. 8th house to 7th house can cause > obstacles but cannot deny. So only 12th house to 7th house can deny > marriage i..e 6th house signification is detrimental to marriage. > Thatz why I have used only 6th house for negation in above analysis. > I could be wrong in this. I request learned scholars to guide me.> > 3) I have referred TW Ji's article "Differences between KP and > Four Step Method by Tin Win in ASTROVISION, July 2008" from files > section. I cannot express in words how much this kind of summary > articles have been helpful. KP community is greatly indebted to TW > Ji for his compilation and analysis.> > 4) Thanks to Gondalekar Ji for his 4 step contribution> > 5) Birth

Time is verified by MK's rule. Thanks to MK Ji for > sharing this rule.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Go > to http://in.webmessen ger.. com/> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help. / l/in// mail/mail/ tools/tools- 08.html/>

September 30, 2008

Dear Tin Win

2. As per KP significator table, any grade significator (A to E) can give the result of an event, if it is in the sub signifying the required houses, for marriage 2,7,11. Even grade A significator cannot give the result, if it is in the sub signifying only the adverse houses, for marriage 1,6,10. Judgment of strength by grade A to D is crucial when the same significator is signifying both required and adverse houses in different grades, for marriage 6, 7 at the same time.

The above is a rule given by Mr.KSK to eliminate the significators and to choose the fruitful significators. But no one has verified the reliability. There is no feedback from members.

Indirectly it is a sixfold table method.

Did anyone verified the above rule with at least 20 charts.

What is the percentage of reliability of the above rule.

Whether KPASTRO 3.0 is programmed for the above rule.

Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 9/29/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

tw853 <tw853 Re: Marriage analysis in KP - Request (KP Significators A-E) Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 1:50 AM

Dear Friends,

1. The following write up from "Krishnamurti Padhdhati, Vol. 2, 1966, Sagar Publications, p 274" 1) with "sub" and 2) "order (a)" (for example chart, born on 3-11-1939) is not found reliably applied in the original KP Volume 2 and not mentioned in any KP Reader, and also not found practically applied by any reliable KP astrologer.

"Houses 2, 5 and 11 are to be judged (for child birth). Thereforefollow the order below:-(a) The planets tenanted in the constellations or "subs" of theoccupants of the Bhavas 2, 5 and 11,(b) Occupants of 2nd, 5th and 11th Bhavasa,© Planets in the constellations or "sub" of the lords of thehouses 2, 5 and 11,(d) Lords of 2, 5 and 11,(e) Those conjoined with or aspected by any of significators.

It is important to note that if one does not get significators according to the order (a), then only the next rule should be applied and one stops at a stage when he gets at least 3 significators. At last one is to proceed further and apply the last rule (order (e)). "

2. As per KP significator table, any grade significator (A to E) can give the result of an event, if it is in the sub signifying the required houses, for marriage 2,7,11. Even grade A significator cannot give the result, if it is in the sub signifying only the adverse houses, for marriage 1,6,10. Judgment of strength by grade A to D is crucial when the same significator is signifying both required and adverse houses in different grades, for marriage 6, 7 at the same time.

Comments with logical reasoning will be helpful to learn KP.

Thanks and regards,

tw

@gro ups.com, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Babu> My dob is 5-5-55, pob is delhi, tob is 9-37pm. See for urself> Regards> Sujata> > --- On Fri, 26/9/08, babukrcbe babukrcbe@.. . wrote:> > babukrcbe babukrcbe@.. .> Re: Marriage analysis in KP - Request> @gro ups.com> Friday, 26 September, 2008, 5:56 PM> > > > > > > Dear Sujata Ji,> > As per Dhanabalan Ji (rather as per KP original volumes) one has to > select B grade significator only when A grade significator is not > available and so on and so forth.> > Did you have A or B or C grade significators for 7 & 11? and got A > grade significator for 6 or 10 or 11. ? > > If true,

Thanks for pitching in. It makes no sense to me and I do > not want to accept the above theory blindfolded as it doesn't go > with my conscience.> > Regards,> K.Babu> > @gro ups.com, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...> > wrote:> >> > Dear MrDhanbalan> > I got married in grade D significators of7 and 11. Igot a job in > grade b significator of 6 10 11.Dr Kar rectified my horoscope> > Regards> > Sujata> > > > > > --- On Wed, 24/9/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>> > Re: Marriage analysis in KP - Request> > @gro ups.com> > Wednesday, 24 September, 2008, 7:23 PM> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babukrcbe > > Ã‚ > > In K.P., only primary significators are to be taken as per > Mr..KSKÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s guidelines. But you have taken all the A,B,C and D grade > significators and telling that there is chance to get marry every > day. > > Only if A grade significator is not available then Ã‚ you have to > choose B grade significator. > > Only if B grade significator is not available then Ã‚ you have to > choose C grade significator. > > Only if C grade significator is not available then Ã‚ you have to > choose D grade significator. > > Only if D grade significator is not available then Ã‚ you have to > choose E grade significator. > > Ã‚ > > In total you should get minimum 3 significators for an

event. > > Ã‚ > > I have already shown the evidence in k.p.original volume. Mr.Punit > Pandey asked me to show the evidence and I have shown. In the > k.p.Readers, this rule is not followed. > > Ã‚ > > In 4 step method, in case of more significators, it is advisable > to filter the significators based on conjoined and aspected planets > in all the 4 steps. > > Ã‚ > > The planets closer to the cusp between 3 to 5 degrees will give > result to that house. ItÃ‚ is followed in 4 step method. It is > considered in Ã¢â‚¬Å“System ApproachÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½ by V.K.Chouthry. Mr.KSK also > considered the planets closer to the cusps. At any cost, the cusp > conjoined planets within 3.20; degree should not be deleted as weak > significator either in k.p.or in 4 step method. > > Ã‚ > > The planets closer to

any cusp (orb 3.20Ã¢â‚¬â„¢ degree), eventhough it > is in the previous bhava, it will give result to the next bhava. It > is to be strictly followed in k.p. and in 4 step. > > Ã‚ > > I was told by one of the leading K.P. astrologer cum teacher > Mr.Durai Mathivanan in the k.p. monthly meeting on 21-9-2008 at > salem that Mr.KMS has changed his concept of subÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s subÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s star at > the end of his life.. 4 step method was developed during 1991 based > on KMSÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s articles Ã¢â‚¬Å“Sublord SpeaksÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½. But KMS changed his > concept at the end. So the subÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s subÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s star method is outdated. > Our member Mr.Mohankumar, being the secretary of the salem > k.p.association, he is aware of it. > > Ã‚ > > Dhanabalan> > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08, babukrcbe babukrcbe > wrote:> > >

> babukrcbe babukrcbe >> > Marriage analysis in KP - Request> > @gro ups.com> > Monday, September 22, 2008, 3:13 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raichur Ji, TW Ji, Sathish Ji, L Y Rao Ji, Punit Ji, MK Ji > and other interested members,> > I request you to analyse my horoscope to find when will I marry.> > My birth details are> > D.O.B : 13th August 1976> > P.O.B : Coimbatore, Tamilnadu> > T.O.B : 8:49:40 AM> > Here is my attempt.> > Classic KP Method:> > Q: Is marriage promised per natal chart?> > Rule: If 7th CSL signifies 2 or 7 or 11, marriage is promised> > K.P Four-fold significators> > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ==> > Sub's

|Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ | > Mo,SaÃ‚ Ã‚ | Su,Sa | --Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ |Ã‚ Ã‚ Mo> > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ==> > > > Analysis: 7th cuspal sublord Sa which is in his own star.> > Both Sublord and its star lord signifies 11 (i.e saturn is A grade > significator for house 11)> > Planets that signifies 2 or 7 or 11 are Su(B),Mo(A), Ma(A),Ra( > A),Ju(A), Sa(A),Me( C),Ke©, Ve(D). > > All 9 planets signify 2 or 7 or 11.. > > 6 planets are either A or B grade significators and rest are C or > D grade significators.> > 12 to concerned house are not favorable. 12 to 7th cusp is 6 from > Asc. > > However, I would not consider 2nd cusp in this regard, So planets > signifying 12,6 are as follows>