To Mark: comparison between western and eastern astrology

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Hi Mark,

 

Thank you for this list. I cuold not reply to this sooner because I

have received so many emails :-)

 

The meanings of the houses and planets are basically the same in

western astrology.

 

Anne

 

 

, Mark Kincaid

<m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> Dear Fiends:

>

> I think what we need to do, and what I'd like to propose is we try

and

> integrate these two great approaches of Astrology.

>

> I'd like to start a discussion, that looks at both great systems...

> and look at understanding both, and especially coming to some kind

of

> synthesis about both.

>

> Personally, having studied both, I somehow understand...that

Nature is

> Astrological...

>

> and in fact when you watch the transiting Stars and Planets you

can't help

> but realize that Astrology is!, alive and well...out there!

>

> but,....some serious differences,....do exist in both

systems...and I'd like

> to explore with you all,

> especially since we have some people who really seem to know their

Western,

> especially, I'd like to attempt to understand how both can exist,

and

> perhaps, be united into One....

>

> I'd like to suggest, however, that we momentarily give up our

particular

> allegiances or preferances for either system and try and be

objective, and

> discuss, perhaps, firstly.... those qualities and atributes that

exist

> within both.

>

> For example, I find it amazing that both systems believe in the

same basic

> Planetary & Chart, structure that defines the person as the

reflection of

> the Sun, Moon, and Planets...

>

> This is an amazing first thing, that both systems are in agreement

regarding

> this basic Symbolism between Human Nature and the Astrological

Chart.

>

> For example, the Sun represents the Self, 'I', ego, and

individuality in

> pretty much both systems.

> The Moon, equally represents the emotional nature, feelings, mind,

and

> intuition of the person.

> Venus represents the loving, expressive, heart nature of a person.

> Mercury represents the Intellect, Intellectual abilities,

Intelligence and

> such things as Communications...

> Jupiter represents Spirituality, progress and prosperity,

expansion and such

> things as teaching, teachers and even the process of learning.

> Mars represents dynamism, activity, energy, blood, 'fire of

digestion' we

> say, is rooted in Mars,

> crusading, championing, courage, then lower qualities of fighting,

> disagreement, cheating, lieing, etc....

> Saturn represents Balance, silence, stillness, centeredness, and

lower

> qualities, of lack of balance, lack of silence, chaos, dis-

function,

> dis-ease, disease and death... also delays, timings, frustrations,

and

> losses, and griefs....on the lower end...

> Rahu and Ketu, the nodes of the Moon, represent the very important

desire

> nature of the person. As such when Rahu/Ketu are in balance, then

one's

> desires come up, find their way into our lives, and find

fulfillment. Where

> Rahu/Ketu, however, are out of balance, then the mechanism of

desiring is

> messed up, leading to uncontrolable desires, and then,

compulsions, unwanted

> mental and physical patterns, and chronic bad habits, and

addictions...

>

> One time I heard a fascinating description as to the source of all

> conflicts, sufferings and ignorances in life. " Where we have

our 'pragya

> parads', (or mistaken notions or habits), we spontaneously do that

which is

> not right for us. "

>

> Now, that's a good description of Rahu/Ketu, out of balance!

>

> I'm going to resist the tendency to describe the more outer

planets and

> allow some of our more knolwedgable members who are more

experienced in the

> Western...to give brief expression as to these Astrological

meanings...

>

> Then, you've got the structures of the Houses and Signs...

>

> Again, both systems....agree in the basic structure of Chart

structure which

> includes different Houses. In fact both systems pretty much agree

to many

> of the same kind of symbolisms as being relevant re. those same 12

Houses.

>

> lst House represents the Self, the person, personality, place of

birth,

> and time.

> 2nd House represents food, the next step, after birth, eating,

certain

> aspects of family,

> especially early life, and speech.

> 3rd House reflects the nature and quality of younger brothers

and sisters,

> communications,

> the arts, music, and especially the performing

arts,

> 4th House represents the Heart, the home, the hearth, and

Mother. Also

> such things as fixed

> assets, like the home, including cars, etc. are

glimpsed

> at through the 4th House.

> 5th House represents the House of children, so number and

characteristics

> of the children are

> glimpsed through this house... Also, 5th is

the primary

> House of Education, and

> according to Jyotish also the houe of good/bad

past life

> karma, and such things as

> mantras....and spiritual techniques and

pracitices...

> 6th House has to do with Health, illness, rejuvenation, daily

work and

> such adverse things as

> as law and doctoring...

> 7th House has to do with 'Partnerships', and therefore is

commonly called

> the House of Mariage

> but, as it's the house of the 'other', it also

relates to

> all partnerships, including

> business partnerships as well.

> 8th House Commonly called the House of death, so length of life,

is looked

> at through this

> House, but some call this the House of Ayur, of

> life-span, so this is thought of as the

> House of 'Transformations' which are very

important to

> improving longevity, and

> long life. Some other common areas include

chronic

> habits, addictions, and

> compulsions....

> 9th House is the House of Dharma, or Spirit. It's the primary

Spiritual

> house and is sometimes

> called the House of God. So, religion as well

as

> spirituality is looked at through this

> house.

> 10th House is the house of career, so occupation and the Public

are looked

> at through this

> house.

> 11th House is the house of 'gains', called labha in Sanskrit, so

how we

> gain, especially

> financially is looked at through this house....

> 12th Houe is the last house, and represents the 'end' of life.

It's also

> called the House of

> Expenditures, or House of loss, so losses,

debts,

> expenditures/expenses, are look-

> ed through this house. So, we make our money

from the

> 11th House, we spend it

> according to our 12th House, and what we have

left over

> is glimpsed through the

> 2nd house....

> The highest value of this end house, 12th, is

it's also

> called the House of Enlight-

> enment, or 'transcendence' is graspec through

this House.

>

>

>

> Also, both systems, basically, agree in the Sign reality in

Astrology,

> though there are some differences, too.

>

> Some brief descriptions of the qualities and natures of these

different

> Signs, or Constellations are:

>

> Aries Represents 'beginnings' so Aries is associated

with dynamic,

> active and busy people.

> Aries are self-starters, too.

> Taurus Represent the earthy and practical. Taurians are

hands on the

> ground, sensual, and

> loyal well as practical, and earthy.

> Geminis Are represented by the 2 'twin' stars Castor or

Pollex, so

> qualiites, of 'two' doing

> many things at once is glimsed by this Sign. Also

it's a

> sign ruled by Mercury, so it

> represents Intellectual talents, and communications.

> Cancer represents the careing, compassionate and the nourising

> qualities of life. As such it's

> ruled by the Moon, itself, and is therefore the

Sign of all

> motherings....home and

> inner comfort and happiness are glimsped here...

> Leo is the sign of the Lion, the kind, regal, paternal and

> righteous qualities are glimsped

> in the higher Leo types. If afflicted then

bossyness,

> dictatorial, and abusive qualities

> can manifest. Otherwise, Leo reperesents the

careings of a

> good King for his people,

> as his own children!

> Virgo represents the discriminatory qualities of life,

therefore Virgo

> is the sign of analysis,

> discrimination, criticalness, orderliness, and

perfection.

> Libra rules balance, harmony, lack of discord, and is the

sign

> expressed by mediators,

> couselors, teahers, educators and diplomats...

> Scorpio represents passion, convictions, and Ideals.

Scorpio's are

> hightly idealistic, and very

> passionate about their convictions. Scorpio

teaches us to

> 'care', and yet, also, not

> get too bent out of shape, if 'others' are not,

living up to

> our standards or beliefs.

> Sagittarius represents the Sign of Knowledge, therefore learing,

curiosity,

> traveling in both the

> mind as well as the World are glimpsed from this

house...

> Capricorn is the sign of ambition, achievements, and is

therefore the sign

> of the goat, climbing

> the Mountain, like the person climbing the

corporate ladder,

> ambitious, dynamic,

> business like, and materialistic....

> Aquarius is the sign of creativity, and if Capricorn is the

sign of

> traditiaonal values, Aquarius is

> the Sign of Unconventional creativity. So Aquarius

is the

> Sign of inventors, writers,

> Authors, anyone with a stronly fresh and

unconventionally

> creative side.

> Pisces And finally, Pisces is the end. It represents the end

of life,

> so liberation, fulfillment,

> Enlightenment are reflections of this house. Also,

Piscians,

> are highly freedom

> oriented and so romance, idealism and poetry too,

are looked

> at from here.

>

> I'd love to hear others reflect on their appreciations of both of

these 2

> great systems... and maybe we can first reflect on these qualities

of the 2

> systems that are the same.... and

> then we can begin to go into the differences...

> and hopefully, how we can evolve them, both into a more unified,

Naural,

> whole...

>

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

>

>

> Flick <rubysun@n...>

>

> Sat, 24 Apr 2004 15:27:32 +0100

>

> Re: Uranus oppostions and birth

>

>

> On 24/4/04 10:26 am, " morganaspirit@t... " <morganaspirit@t...>

> wrote:

>

> > Of course Vedic does not use URANUS, another

> > dilemna. mmm have to think about this because this makes TOO

much sense to

> > me

> > to discard.

>

> Don't discard it. I've had in my hands recently the charts of my

close

> friend's daughter (her father is Indian) and her Indian fiancé,

done in

> India by his father: the Indian astrologer has used the outer

planets with

> the rest of his Vedic calculations.

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