Guest guest Posted May 9, 2004 Report Share Posted May 9, 2004 All: My association with Mark goes back a number of months from Jyotish Remedies. It is very nice to see a great atmosphere in this group. It is indeed a reflection of Mark;s inner consciousness which is nothing but the consciousness in all of us. Way to go Mark!! I would like to make my first posting on this group on the word " EGO " . EGO is the True Badhaka to Moksha. Here are some of my views on letting go of our Ego. They come from within. Please take a minute to read it. Thanks. There are million and millions of us standing on the shore of the ocean of Consciousness, trying to hold it in our cups. We keep looking at each others cups and comparing our cups and having arguments about our cups. Some of us feel proud because our cup is bigger than someone else's and some of us feel jealous because we feel that someone else's cup is bigger than ours. What we do not REALIZE is that none of our cups contain the vast ocean of GOD. If we were to throw our cups into the ocean, if we were to merge our EGOS into the bliss of GOD then we would no longer be CRYING and WAILING in our seperate EGO-SENSE. We would be one with that OCEAN. When we give up OUR EGO, all that is left is GOD. Let us all throw our cups into the vast OCEAN of CONSCIOUSNESS. Om Shanti Shanti Shanti. --Om Tat Sat [[sanjay Aggarwal]] jyotish_tat_sat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 > One of my Guru's favorite expressions is that .... " the ego does not need to > be made smaller, or extinguished, or eliminated....but in fact, > expanded.... " Very nice Mark!! To give up the ego means to merge it in the bliss of the Self, to dissolve our smallness into the vastness of Consciousness. When bubbles arise on the surface of the ocean, they seem to be different from the ocean, but after a while, the bubbles burst and merge back into the ocean. In the same way, when our bubble of ego bursts, our sense of limitation leaves us, we will realize we are nothing but that Consciousness. Once the ego leaves, then what is left is the inner Self. Om Tat Sat. --Sanjay Aggarwal jyotish_tat_sat , Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote: > Dear Sanjay: > > I was so happy to see your contribution today. > > And thank you very much for the kind words. > > I, also, do want our other members to know about your , which I > think of > as a very spiritual look and perspective on Jyotish. > > For those of you who haven't checked it out, ....go to: > > jyotish_tat_sat > > to find Sanjay's site. > > I did want to say some things regarding your present discussion about Ego. > > See below for more: > > > > " saggarwal_4 " <saggarwal_4> > > Sun, 09 May 2004 21:40:03 -0000 > > EGO -- Letting Go. > > > All: > > My association with Mark goes back a number of months from Jyotish > Remedies. It is very nice to see a great atmosphere in this group. > It is indeed a reflection of Mark;s inner consciousness which is > nothing but the consciousness in all of us. > > Way to go Mark!! > > I would like to make my first posting on this group on the > word " EGO " . EGO is the True Badhaka to Moksha. > > Here are some of my views on letting go of our Ego. They come > from within. Please take a minute to read it. Thanks. > > There are million and millions of us standing on the shore of the > ocean of Consciousness, trying to hold it in our cups. We keep > looking at each others cups and comparing our cups and having > arguments about our cups. Some of us feel proud because our cup is > bigger than someone else's and some of us feel jealous because we > feel that someone else's cup is bigger than ours. > > What we do not REALIZE is that none of our cups contain the vast > ocean of GOD. If we were to throw our cups into the ocean, if we > were to merge our EGOS into the bliss of GOD then we would no longer > be CRYING and WAILING in our seperate EGO-SENSE. We would be one > with that OCEAN. > > When we give up OUR EGO, all that is left is GOD. > > Sanjay: I really love your poetic, graphic example, of us, standing on the > ocean with our little cups.... looking into the vast Cosmic Ocean... > > When I think of Ego, I think of the Sun, in Jyotish. > > Sun represents 'I', self, and even ego. > > I also get this image of the Circle of the Sun, ...... at the deepest level > of silence of the Ocean, deep within.... > > And if you could draw a line at the bottom, in the water would represent the > 'Relative' Existence, of Universes, Galaxies, Stars, Solar Systems, human > beings... and for us, the deepest part of our 'Relative' Existence, is our > Ego's,....'I',....self-identity. > > But, if you draw the circle of the Sun and straddle it over the line, 1/2 on > the Relative part, the other part....represents the Absolute or > non-changeing aspect of life... > > And that's the Sun's nature; it both represents the individual 'I', ..and > the Cosmic, 'I', and then, all the way to God.... him...or herself! > > So, when we take ourselves inward, and transcend through meditation, or even > contemplation, and at some point we get to that deep level of inner, > 'I',..... > > We started on the surface level of thoughts, and associations, which by the > way, corresponds quite nicely with the Mercury in our Charts.... > > And then, as we sank deeper within, we get to our feelings, our emotions, > and intuitions, which corresponds very nicely with the Moon in us.... > > Till, finally we get to our deepest sense of 'I', self, or the Sun > inside.... > > If we go beyond even that, we discover the Absolute, I, the absolute, Self, > Absolute, self-awareness, which we can call God, which also is symbolized by > the Sun, in Astrology. > > This 'I', also has an ego, and we can talk about letting go of the small > self, or the small ego, but we can also talk about expanding the small self > to the big self or the small self to it's natural vast, and Cosmic Ego. > > One of my Guru's favorite expressions is that .... " the ego does not need to > be made smaller, or extinguished, or eliminated....but in fact, > expanded.... " > > " And, as the Self becomes bigger and bigger and bigger, the Ego, also > becomes Cosmic, unbounded, and eternal, immortal... > > And then, for such a man, (or woman), it would be like the nature of a man, > becomes so full within, it's like a tree that becomes so full and heavy due > to all it's fruits,.... > > then,....it's found bowing down, due to it's great abundance " . > > My own experience is also something like this. > > The greatest inner experiences I've had, from within, were not a shedding or > letting go, of the ego, but an expansion of my I, .... > > into it's unbelievably, vast and expanded.... Cosmic nature.... > > In that state I remembered I had been an individual, but I knew I wasn't > just that.... > > Cosmic, in fact, is eternal, and immortal, but on the surface is also > relative, and individual. > > Though we've had this conversation before, I think it's still a great one to > discuss. > > For those who have weak or debilitated Sun's in their charts, all kinds of > weaknesses, and challenges come to those.... because their inner strength is > minimal. > > But, for those with great big Exalted Suns, or Suns in Leo....or > powerful,....Sun's, in great positions, then....success and even > enlightenment are possible. > > There is, however, another relationship with the Sun, which is also > important to understand, and that's Saturn. > > Because there are those who have big Sun's but poor Saturns, so their 'I's' > or Self-worth, moves into the arrogant or abusive category. > > In truth one needs to be 'straight', or have balance with all the > Planets.... > > Then, one truely lives a protected, blissful, and successful life! > > > > > > Let us all throw our cups into the vast OCEAN of CONSCIOUSNESS. > > > And... let us all discover that great 'sameness'....which is our inner Self, > or Suns! > and then, live the grace of great individualities, but with the deep > awareness of our truely United Self, Cosmic nature! > > Jai Guru > > > Mark Kincaid > > > > > > Om Shanti Shanti Shanti. > > --Om Tat Sat > [[sanjay Aggarwal]] > jyotish_tat_sat > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 My guru once mentioned that the ego was the bridge between two people. . . what we present to have them to think about ourselves. . . what would be your ego if you were alone out in the woods? At 07:46 AM 5/10/2004 +0000, Om Tat Sat. wrote: >To give up the ego means to merge it in the bliss of the Self, to >dissolve our smallness into the vastness of Consciousness. When >bubbles arise on the surface of the ocean, they seem to be different >from the ocean, but after a while, the bubbles burst and merge back >into the ocean. In the same way, when our bubble of ego bursts, our >sense of limitation leaves us, we will realize we are nothing but >that Consciousness. > >Once the ego leaves, then what is left is the inner Self. > >Om Tat Sat. See you in the stars, Arthyr, http://TheSunsetChart.com " Making Ancient Astrology Work for You " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 The real question is " How long will it take to get rid of our ego? " . It is very stubborn. The answer through my understanding is : As much time as it takes for us to snap our fingers. The ego is not holding us. We are holding it. Once a man went to see King Janaka. He found Janaka standing under a tree. He had put his elbow on a branch, and he was resting his head on his hand, thinking about something. The man asked, " You are Janaka, you are a great king. Not only that, you have risen above body-consciousness. I want your help to discard my ego. " Janaka stood there with his arm around the branch and said , " Brother, just wait. I will answer your question when this branch lets me go. " " But the branch is not holding you " , the man said. " You are holding that branch " . " You are in the same situation, " said Janaka. " It is you who are holding onto your ego. You have made ego your friend and you dont want to let go of it. Now all you have to do is let go of it and you will be free " . Om Tat Sat. --Sanjay Aggarwal jyotish_tat_sat , Arthyr <awc99@m...> wrote: > My guru once mentioned that the ego > was the bridge between two people. . . what we present > to have them to think about ourselves. . . what would be your ego > if you were alone out in the woods? > > At 07:46 AM 5/10/2004 +0000, Om Tat Sat. wrote: > >To give up the ego means to merge it in the bliss of the Self, to > >dissolve our smallness into the vastness of Consciousness. When > >bubbles arise on the surface of the ocean, they seem to be different > >from the ocean, but after a while, the bubbles burst and merge back > >into the ocean. In the same way, when our bubble of ego bursts, our > >sense of limitation leaves us, we will realize we are nothing but > >that Consciousness. > > > >Once the ego leaves, then what is left is the inner Self. > > > >Om Tat Sat. > > > See you in the stars, > Arthyr, > > http://TheSunsetChart.com > " Making Ancient Astrology Work for You " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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