Guest guest Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 Hi again, Deb! I've been looking at your chart some more. I forgot to mention the trine of Jupiter to the Sun / Pluto. It's one of those "salvation" things that's helped you through. I noticed that your natal Mercury has a cross-over cnj. from navamsa Neptune, and combined with it being in 12th and cnj KE, adds to trouble with learning specific factual information but good intuition ... or I can see you having times when you just pull knowledge / information seemingly from out of nowhere (probably nowadays what they call Right Brained). Jupiter in 7 combined with Saturn in 1: you tend to see others as above you or bigger than you. Don't make the mistake of giving your power away to them. Saturn and Pluto on nav asc as well as S and Neptune on natal asc: you have hit bottom emotionally, psychologically at times in your life. Vergottama exalted Moon PLUS Moon in nav being trined by Jupiter is excellent. Both are good for intellegence. I wonder if like me, you get tuned into nature. For me, walking in forests or meadows or seasides is the ultimate in therapy. More even than meditation. I attribute that to Taurus Moon. Do you mind if I ask what kind of work you do? Could it be something where you help people with problems? I see you as an advocate for the disenfranchised, or those with financial or health or mental problems. I have a friend with many astrological similarities to you, and she's a social worker. .... Bettina dqm51 [dqm51]Monday, May 10, 2004 12:08 PMNaturesastrology Subject: Bettina Hi Bettina, Here's more info from my side. 12th hse positions I am very familiar with and can emphasize. Especially, your search for nature's answers. I took a look at your Navamsa. It balances your chart doesn't it? For good and challenges. Yes, I can see the God/Life quest and the reverence in your chart. We are on the same wave lentgh. I too, have felt my sanity has been saved by learning astrology and delving into the essence of man and his relatiobships these past few years while going through Sadi Sati. It sure has answered a lot of questions and concerns I have had most of my life. I'm stumbling though on how to see the Moon in Taurus as being the savior of a chart because of it's sign placement. For me and you. I see from the Moon, 2nd hs Gemini, the fouth house of Leo and 5th hs Virgo, 7th hs Scorpio and eight hse Sag and then 9th and 10th hse ruled by Saturn as undermining the full effects of good things Moon in Taurus. Whether one is in Sadi Sati or not. Debra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 Hi Bettina! That's great on charts. I have never looked at Navamsa the way you do! However, I can see how and why for the most part. Except Jupiter trine Moon & Mars in Aries. I see square. Do you have degrees in Navamsa, I don't have that ability; just sign and house placement. See what I mean, one can never look at their chart as objectively as another. Just like, say, a doctor trying to care for his own family or a builder with his own house. Something always gets missed, overlooked or forgotten in the details with emotions. Yes, yes I agree! Nature to me is God's country! I just love it! In fact my residence has to have land or I am miserable. So, I live on one acre of wooded property and have always had four seasons. I grew up on 3 acres and spent most of my free time as a teenager playing golf on a beautifully lined course at the Country Club. Heaven!!! For a short time I was stuck in an apartment overlooking the roof of a Commercial property, I almost gave into severe depression because of it. It is one of the main reasons that as much as I love the greatness of a metropolitan city I don't live there. Only could do it if I had a place in the country to go to on weekends. I have checked it out on a number of occasions with Realtors and I've always pulled back. Too claustrophobic, linear and impersonal. So, now I go to the city for its energy and stay in a hotel and get pampered. But my home is in the country. Have you ever driven through the mountains of Colorado or Arizona? OH MY!! I really can loose myself in all its greatness. Same too, when I travel by plane. I am at the window seat and can look over the vastness of the earth, 35000 ft above, and contemplate for hours about the significance and insignificance we all have on this planet and in relation to the cosmos itself. In fact I have written an essay about one of those meditative experiences for lecture on one of those flights. When I was a teenager, most of my dates were at the airport. I couldn't get enough of seeing the jets arrive and depart and watch the people in the airport coming and going and would get lost in all the wondering and reasons for the movement. The shear awe of seeing big birds take off and land. I haven't flown a plane in years, but I use to have my private pilots license. IT IS better than meditation!! My work and interest is indeed as you say. I find my real estate background takes me only so far compared to my interaction and influence helping others on a more personal level. I am at my soul a caretaker. But one can easily find me in the boardroom helping to organize or run a board regarding children as much as one could find me doing one on one hands on work caring for someone. Children's issues are my passion. Family matters because they affect children comes next with all their problems as a whole or individually. I have sponsored peopled and done bedpans for the elderly. Geriatrics is another area where I am partial too. I do not have any one degree or employment. I was a Candy Striper in H.S. and a nurse's aide when I was a young adult for several years. However, all my work, lecturing, guidance, caretaking; educational matters, boardroom, & committees; whether - Schools, County, State, educational, developing new programs, rewriting others, or as I said hands on care taking, has been done all through community service, volunteering and philanthropy. As a parent and as an individual. In the last year I have been recuperating with health issues and taking the time to delve more into astrology with all its reading required for studying. I am doing some communicating by computer in educational matters with students preparing for college and now here with you on this site interacting and learning. It would be great if I can learn the ability of the true inner essence & the psychology of astrology/Vedic for personal interaction that would be helpful to others. I do see myself going in that direction of " helping others " in the future but in a different way than I have in the last 35yrs. Did you receive and read my attachment on last post? I would be interested in your opinion and experience with astrology. How you got to where you are today and more on our Moons in our charts. Too, Navamsa interpreting with Rashi. I know I am really weak in that area. Debra , " Bettina " <chiria@n...> wrote: > MessageHi again, Deb! I've been looking at your chart some more. I forgot > to mention the trine of Jupiter to the Sun / Pluto. It's one of those > " salvation " things that's helped you through. I noticed that your natal > Mercury has a cross-over cnj. from navamsa Neptune, and combined with it > being in 12th and cnj KE, adds to trouble with learning specific factual > information but good intuition ... or I can see you having times when you > just pull knowledge / information seemingly from out of nowhere (probably > nowadays what they call Right Brained). Jupiter in 7 combined with Saturn > in 1: you tend to see others as above you or bigger than you. Don't make > the mistake of giving your power away to them. > > Saturn and Pluto on nav asc as well as S and Neptune on natal asc: you have > hit bottom emotionally, psychologically at times in your life. Vergottama > exalted Moon PLUS Moon in nav being trined by Jupiter is excellent. Both > are good for intellegence. I wonder if like me, you get tuned into nature. > For me, walking in forests or meadows or seasides is the ultimate in > therapy. More even than meditation. I attribute that to Taurus Moon. > > Do you mind if I ask what kind of work you do? Could it be something where > you help people with problems? I see you as an advocate for the > disenfranchised, or those with financial or health or mental problems. I > have a friend with many astrological similarities to you, and she's a social > worker. > > > ... Bettina > > > > dqm51@s... [dqm51@s...] > Monday, May 10, 2004 12:08 PM > Naturesastrology > Bettina > > > Hi Bettina, Here's more info from my side. 12th hse positions I am very > familiar with and can emphasize. Especially, your search for nature's > answers. I took a look at your Navamsa. It balances your chart doesn't > it? For good and challenges. Yes, I can see the God/Life quest and the > reverence in your chart. We are on the same wave lentgh. I too, have felt > my sanity has been saved by learning astrology and delving into the essence > of man and his relatiobships these past few years while going through Sadi > Sati. It sure has answered a lot of questions and concerns I have had most > of my life. I'm stumbling though on how to see the Moon in Taurus as being > the savior of a chart because of it's sign placement. For me and you. I see > from the Moon, 2nd hs Gemini, the fouth house of Leo and 5th hs Virgo, 7th > hs Scorpio and eight hse Sag and then 9th and 10th hse ruled by Saturn as > undermining the full effects of good things Moon in Taurus. Whether one is > in Sadi Sati or not. > > Debra > > > - --------- > -- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2004 Report Share Posted May 12, 2004 Hi, Debra. I'm sorry I hadn't clicked on the attachment. I'm not very computer literate (Mercury cnj. Neptune?) So, I just went back and did it and printed out the letter and will read it sitting in a nice, comfy chair. I have my Parashara's light program set to Krishnamurti's ayanamsa, so that's why my chart for you gave Moon in Taurus in Navamsa. Personally, I'm not convinced of which ayanamsa is correct. K's ayan. puts your nav. Moon and Mars in 0 degs. Taurus. You asked if I've ever driven through the mts of AZ. Hee hee! Guess where I live? We just moved here a little less than a year ago. I tremendously enjoy walking through the ponderosa forests with my dog. Before this I lived in the San Francisco Bay area which is much greener and not as dry, and there I rejoiced in walking the hills around Mt. Diablo, if you know whereabouts that is. About 25 mi. east of SF. .... Bettina dqm51 [dqm51]Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:12 PM Subject: Re: BettinaHi Bettina!That's great on charts. I have never looked at Navamsa the way you do! However, I can see how and why for the most part. Except Jupiter trine Moon & Mars in Aries. I see square. Do you have degrees in Navamsa, I don't have that ability; just sign and house placement. See what I mean, one can never look at their chart as objectively as another. Just like, say, a doctor trying to care for his own family or a builder with his own house. Something always gets missed, overlooked or forgotten in the details with emotions.Yes, yes I agree! Nature to me is God's country! I just love it! In fact my residence has to have land or I am miserable. So, I live on one acre of wooded property and have always had four seasons. I grew up on 3 acres and spent most of my free time as a teenager playing golf on a beautifully lined course at the Country Club. Heaven!!! For a short time I was stuck in an apartment overlooking the roof of a Commercial property, I almost gave into severe depression because of it. It is one of the main reasons that as much as I love the greatness of a metropolitan city I don't live there. Only could do it if I had a place in the country to go to on weekends. I have checked it out on a number of occasions with Realtors and I've always pulled back. Too claustrophobic, linear and impersonal. So, now I go to the city for its energy and stay in a hotel and get pampered. But my home is in the country.Have you ever driven through the mountains of Colorado or Arizona? OH MY!! I really can loose myself in all its greatness. Same too, when I travel by plane. I am at the window seat and can look over the vastness of the earth, 35000 ft above, and contemplate for hours about the significance and insignificance we all have on this planet and in relation to the cosmos itself. In fact I have written an essay about one of those meditative experiences for lecture on one of those flights. When I was a teenager, most of my dates were at the airport. I couldn't get enough of seeing the jets arrive and depart and watch the people in the airport coming and going and would get lost in all the wondering and reasons for the movement. The shear awe of seeing big birds take off and land. I haven't flown a plane in years, but I use to have my private pilots license. IT IS better than meditation!!My work and interest is indeed as you say. I find my real estate background takes me only so far compared to my interaction and influence helping others on a more personal level. I am at my soul a caretaker. But one can easily find me in the boardroom helping to organize or run a board regarding children as much as one could find me doing one on one hands on work caring for someone. Children's issues are my passion. Family matters because they affect children comes next with all their problems as a whole or individually. I have sponsored peopled and done bedpans for the elderly. Geriatrics is another area where I am partial too. I do not have any one degree or employment. I was a Candy Striper in H.S. and a nurse's aide when I was a young adult for several years. However, all my work, lecturing, guidance, caretaking; educational matters, boardroom, & committees; whether - Schools, County, State, educational, developing new programs, rewriting others, or as I said hands on care taking, has been done all through community service, volunteering and philanthropy. As a parent and as an individual. In the last year I have been recuperating with health issues and taking the time to delve more into astrology with all its reading required for studying. I am doing some communicating by computer in educational matters with students preparing for college and now here with you on this site interacting and learning. It would be great if I can learn the ability of the true inner essence & the psychology of astrology/Vedic for personal interaction that would be helpful to others. I do see myself going in that direction of "helping others" in the future but in a different way than I have in the last 35yrs. Did you receive and read my attachment on last post? I would be interested in your opinion and experience with astrology. How you got to where you are today and more on our Moons in our charts. Too, Navamsa interpreting with Rashi. I know I am really weak in that area.Debra , "Bettina" <chiria@n...> wrote:> MessageHi again, Deb! I've been looking at your chart some more. I forgot> to mention the trine of Jupiter to the Sun / Pluto. It's one of those> "salvation" things that's helped you through. I noticed that your natal> Mercury has a cross-over cnj. from navamsa Neptune, and combined with it> being in 12th and cnj KE, adds to trouble with learning specific factual> information but good intuition ... or I can see you having times when you> just pull knowledge / information seemingly from out of nowhere (probably> nowadays what they call Right Brained). Jupiter in 7 combined with Saturn> in 1: you tend to see others as above you or bigger than you. Don't make> the mistake of giving your power away to them.> > Saturn and Pluto on nav asc as well as S and Neptune on natal asc: you have> hit bottom emotionally, psychologically at times in your life. Vergottama> exalted Moon PLUS Moon in nav being trined by Jupiter is excellent. Both> are good for intellegence. I wonder if like me, you get tuned into nature.> For me, walking in forests or meadows or seasides is the ultimate in> therapy. More even than meditation. I attribute that to Taurus Moon.> > Do you mind if I ask what kind of work you do? Could it be something where> you help people with problems? I see you as an advocate for the> disenfranchised, or those with financial or health or mental problems. I> have a friend with many astrological similarities to you, and she's a social> worker.> > > ... Bettina> > > > dqm51@s... [dqm51@s...]> Monday, May 10, 2004 12:08 PM> Naturesastrology > Bettina> > > Hi Bettina, Here's more info from my side. 12th hse positions I am very> familiar with and can emphasize. Especially, your search for nature's> answers. I took a look at your Navamsa. It balances your chart doesn't> it? For good and challenges. Yes, I can see the God/Life quest and the> reverence in your chart. We are on the same wave lentgh. I too, have felt> my sanity has been saved by learning astrology and delving into the essence> of man and his relatiobships these past few years while going through Sadi> Sati. It sure has answered a lot of questions and concerns I have had most> of my life. I'm stumbling though on how to see the Moon in Taurus as being> the savior of a chart because of it's sign placement. For me and you. I see> from the Moon, 2nd hs Gemini, the fouth house of Leo and 5th hs Virgo, 7th> hs Scorpio and eight hse Sag and then 9th and 10th hse ruled by Saturn as> undermining the full effects of good things Moon in Taurus. Whether one is> in Sadi Sati or not.> > Debra> > > ----------> --> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2004 Report Share Posted May 12, 2004 Hi, Debra. I read your attachment last night, and yes, we do have many similarities. One thing about me: I've never been career oriented. I wish I were more so, but my "Dharma" in this life seems to lie with domesticity, self development, and momhood. I attribute that to my many planets in 4th and 5th. Most of your planets are above the horizon, making you more of a public person ... esp your 10th hs Mars would indicate this, I believe. For 12 years I ran a small day care center in my home ... a very domestic job.... and for a few years before we left CA I worked in a library ... a job which truly resonated with my psyche ... probably because of my strong Mercury. I want another library job here, but with Saturn taking its sweet time crossing my asc, I've had one setback after another (mostly physical). In another mo. or so it'll be over ... and then I'll start looking. Patience, patience, patience. That's what Saturn demands of us. With S rising, I have a fear of rejection and other people's displeasure in me. Because of a weak Mars, which is strongly colored by passive Venus, I don't always verbally stand up for what I believe is right. Not that I cave in to the person I don't agree with, but I just don't speak up and find it easier to avoid them, thereby sidestepping conflict. I get tongue tied. In my actions, though, I will work for what I believe in. Saturn sure colors the life strongly of those who have it rising. But I think one can go a long way with it. My feeling is that when someone has it on the asc but the rest of the horoscope is fairly strong, they're coming off a previous life of some sort of disadvantage ... like having been a slave, a servant, or someone who didn't have the respect or support of society in gereral. That's probably why they're often aware of other people's suffering. .... Bettina dqm51 [dqm51]Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:12 PM Subject: Re: Bettina Hi Bettina!That's great on charts. I have never looked at Navamsa the way you do! However, I can see how and why for the most part. Except Jupiter trine Moon & Mars in Aries. I see square. Do you have degrees in Navamsa, I don't have that ability; just sign and house placement. See what I mean, one can never look at their chart as objectively as another. Just like, say, a doctor trying to care for his own family or a builder with his own house. Something always gets missed, overlooked or forgotten in the details with emotions.Yes, yes I agree! Nature to me is God's country! I just love it! In fact my residence has to have land or I am miserable. So, I live on one acre of wooded property and have always had four seasons. I grew up on 3 acres and spent most of my free time as a teenager playing golf on a beautifully lined course at the Country Club. Heaven!!! For a short time I was stuck in an apartment overlooking the roof of a Commercial property, I almost gave into severe depression because of it. It is one of the main reasons that as much as I love the greatness of a metropolitan city I don't live there. Only could do it if I had a place in the country to go to on weekends. I have checked it out on a number of occasions with Realtors and I've always pulled back. Too claustrophobic, linear and impersonal. So, now I go to the city for its energy and stay in a hotel and get pampered. But my home is in the country.Have you ever driven through the mountains of Colorado or Arizona? OH MY!! I really can loose myself in all its greatness. Same too, when I travel by plane. I am at the window seat and can look over the vastness of the earth, 35000 ft above, and contemplate for hours about the significance and insignificance we all have on this planet and in relation to the cosmos itself. In fact I have written an essay about one of those meditative experiences for lecture on one of those flights. When I was a teenager, most of my dates were at the airport. I couldn't get enough of seeing the jets arrive and depart and watch the people in the airport coming and going and would get lost in all the wondering and reasons for the movement. The shear awe of seeing big birds take off and land. I haven't flown a plane in years, but I use to have my private pilots license. IT IS better than meditation!!My work and interest is indeed as you say. I find my real estate background takes me only so far compared to my interaction and influence helping others on a more personal level. I am at my soul a caretaker. But one can easily find me in the boardroom helping to organize or run a board regarding children as much as one could find me doing one on one hands on work caring for someone. Children's issues are my passion. Family matters because they affect children comes next with all their problems as a whole or individually. I have sponsored peopled and done bedpans for the elderly. Geriatrics is another area where I am partial too. I do not have any one degree or employment. I was a Candy Striper in H.S. and a nurse's aide when I was a young adult for several years. However, all my work, lecturing, guidance, caretaking; educational matters, boardroom, & committees; whether - Schools, County, State, educational, developing new programs, rewriting others, or as I said hands on care taking, has been done all through community service, volunteering and philanthropy. As a parent and as an individual. In the last year I have been recuperating with health issues and taking the time to delve more into astrology with all its reading required for studying. I am doing some communicating by computer in educational matters with students preparing for college and now here with you on this site interacting and learning. It would be great if I can learn the ability of the true inner essence & the psychology of astrology/Vedic for personal interaction that would be helpful to others. I do see myself going in that direction of "helping others" in the future but in a different way than I have in the last 35yrs. Did you receive and read my attachment on last post? I would be interested in your opinion and experience with astrology. How you got to where you are today and more on our Moons in our charts. Too, Navamsa interpreting with Rashi. I know I am really weak in that area.Debra , "Bettina" <chiria@n...> wrote:> MessageHi again, Deb! I've been looking at your chart some more. I forgot> to mention the trine of Jupiter to the Sun / Pluto. It's one of those> "salvation" things that's helped you through. I noticed that your natal> Mercury has a cross-over cnj. from navamsa Neptune, and combined with it> being in 12th and cnj KE, adds to trouble with learning specific factual> information but good intuition ... or I can see you having times when you> just pull knowledge / information seemingly from out of nowhere (probably> nowadays what they call Right Brained). Jupiter in 7 combined with Saturn> in 1: you tend to see others as above you or bigger than you. Don't make> the mistake of giving your power away to them.> > Saturn and Pluto on nav asc as well as S and Neptune on natal asc: you have> hit bottom emotionally, psychologically at times in your life. Vergottama> exalted Moon PLUS Moon in nav being trined by Jupiter is excellent. Both> are good for intellegence. I wonder if like me, you get tuned into nature.> For me, walking in forests or meadows or seasides is the ultimate in> therapy. More even than meditation. I attribute that to Taurus Moon.> > Do you mind if I ask what kind of work you do? Could it be something where> you help people with problems? I see you as an advocate for the> disenfranchised, or those with financial or health or mental problems. I> have a friend with many astrological similarities to you, and she's a social> worker.> > > ... Bettina> > > > dqm51@s... [dqm51@s...]> Monday, May 10, 2004 12:08 PM> Naturesastrology > Bettina> > > Hi Bettina, Here's more info from my side. 12th hse positions I am very> familiar with and can emphasize. Especially, your search for nature's> answers. I took a look at your Navamsa. It balances your chart doesn't> it? For good and challenges. Yes, I can see the God/Life quest and the> reverence in your chart. We are on the same wave lentgh. I too, have felt> my sanity has been saved by learning astrology and delving into the essence> of man and his relatiobships these past few years while going through Sadi> Sati. It sure has answered a lot of questions and concerns I have had most> of my life. I'm stumbling though on how to see the Moon in Taurus as being> the savior of a chart because of it's sign placement. For me and you. I see> from the Moon, 2nd hs Gemini, the fouth house of Leo and 5th hs Virgo, 7th> hs Scorpio and eight hse Sag and then 9th and 10th hse ruled by Saturn as> undermining the full effects of good things Moon in Taurus. Whether one is> in Sadi Sati or not.> > Debra> > > ----------> --> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2004 Report Share Posted May 12, 2004 Hi Bettina, Ok, lets see if I've got this right. With your chart as an example. I will place your Navamsa chart over your Rashi. The navamsa chart like the fruit of a tree and the Rashi acting like the tree base itself. So, the fruit which grows and ripens or decays is based on the nourishment and structure of the tree base itself. Meaning: the Navamsa is influenced or stimulated by the Rashi but the Rashi can not be influenced or changed by the Navamsa. The Navamsa bears fruit for the shape of the Rashi chart for better or worse but can't change the basic nature/structure of the Rashi chart. With the navamsa overlay the Rashi then the chart is delieneated as usual from the Rashi only. Using Rashi ASC Looking at your two charts that would give your AQ/SA with Ve ACS NAVAMSA, 6th hse Rashi (work) from your 4th hse of family and security. 9th hse Rashi (spiritual, intent) from your 1st hse Asc Ge/Me with Sa, Su, Uranus (mental, communication ); 4th hse Rashi (family, security)Virgo/Me(work)with Sun, Me,Ne; 5th hse (creativity, children)Libra/Ve with Ve,Ma,Ju,Ma(relationships). 1st hse sq 4th, trine 5th. opp 7th Interesting to note: 3rd hse from lst hse is Le/Su with Jupiter; 8th hs from lst is Capicorn/Sa with Ke, Ke; 12th hse Taurus/Ve with Moon and Uranus....Important 10th hs sq lst 9th hs trine 1st 8th hs quin lst 7th hs opp 1st 11h hs sextile lst 1st House Delineation completed From this yes, I can see devotion of work to ones family, it's security, creativity and spiritualism from the home. I see the struggle, change and separation too but the mental capacity to pull through even if challenging and limited. The 6th hse from the Rashi ACS is not occupied but it does fall to Scorpio/Ma. I wouldn't discount that. I didn't teach you anything but did I get the delineation correct with synthesizing of lst hse of self? Debra p.s. could you help me translate to vedic? , " Bettina " <chiria@n...> wrote: > Hi, Debra. I read your attachment last night, and yes, we do have many > similarities. One thing about me: I've never been career oriented. I wish > I were more so, but my " Dharma " in this life seems to lie with domesticity, > self development, and momhood. I attribute that to my many planets in 4th > and 5th. Most of your planets are above the horizon, making you more of a > public person ... esp your 10th hs Mars would indicate this, I believe. For > 12 years I ran a small day care center in my home ... a very domestic > job.... and for a few years before we left CA I worked in a library ... a > job which truly resonated with my psyche ... probably because of my strong > Mercury. I want another library job here, but with Saturn taking its sweet > time crossing my asc, I've had one setback after another (mostly physical). > In another mo. or so it'll be over ... and then I'll start looking. > Patience, patience, patience. That's what Saturn demands of us. > > With S rising, I have a fear of rejection and other people's displeasure in > me. Because of a weak Mars, which is strongly colored by passive Venus, I > don't always verbally stand up for what I believe is right. Not that I cave > in to the person I don't agree with, but I just don't speak up and find it > easier to avoid them, thereby sidestepping conflict. I get tongue tied. > In my actions, though, I will work for what I believe in. > > Saturn sure colors the life strongly of those who have it rising. But I > think one can go a long way with it. My feeling is that when someone has it > on the asc but the rest of the horoscope is fairly strong, they're coming > off a previous life of some sort of disadvantage ... like having been a > slave, a servant, or someone who didn't have the respect or support of > society in gereral. That's probably why they're often aware of other > people's suffering. > > > ... Bettina > > > > > dqm51 [dqm51@s...] > Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:12 PM > > Re: Bettina > > > Hi Bettina! > > That's great on charts. I have never looked at Navamsa the way you > do! However, I can see how and why for the most part. Except > Jupiter trine Moon & Mars in Aries. I see square. Do you have > degrees in Navamsa, I don't have that ability; just sign and house > placement. See what I mean, one can never look at their chart as > objectively as another. Just like, say, a doctor trying to care for > his own family or a builder with his own house. Something always > gets missed, overlooked or forgotten in the details with emotions. > > Yes, yes I agree! Nature to me is God's country! I just love it! > In fact my residence has to have land or I am miserable. So, I live > on one acre of wooded property and have always had four seasons. I > grew up on 3 acres and spent most of my free time as a teenager > playing golf on a beautifully lined course at the Country Club. > Heaven!!! For a short time I was stuck in an apartment overlooking > the roof of a Commercial property, I almost gave into severe > depression because of it. It is one of the main reasons that as > much as I love the greatness of a metropolitan city I don't live > there. Only could do it if I had a place in the country to go to on > weekends. I have checked it out on a number of occasions with > Realtors and I've always pulled back. Too claustrophobic, linear > and impersonal. So, now I go to the city for its energy and stay in > a hotel and get pampered. But my home is in the country. > > Have you ever driven through the mountains of Colorado or Arizona? > OH MY!! I really can loose myself in all its greatness. Same too, > when I travel by plane. I am at the window seat and can look over > the vastness of the earth, 35000 ft above, and contemplate for > hours about the significance and insignificance we all have on this > planet and in relation to the cosmos itself. In fact I have > written an essay about one of those meditative experiences for > lecture on one of those flights. When I was a teenager, most of my > dates were at the airport. I couldn't get enough of seeing the jets > arrive and depart and watch the people in the airport coming and > going and would get lost in all the wondering and reasons for the > movement. The shear awe of seeing big birds take off and land. I > haven't flown a plane in years, but I use to have my private pilots > license. IT IS better than meditation!! > > My work and interest is indeed as you say. I find my real estate > background takes me only so far compared to my interaction and > influence helping others on a more personal level. I am at my soul > a caretaker. But one can easily find me in the boardroom helping to > organize or run a board regarding children as much as one could find > me doing one on one hands on work caring for someone. Children's > issues are my passion. Family matters because they affect children > comes next with all their problems as a whole or individually. I > have sponsored peopled and done bedpans for the elderly. Geriatrics > is another area where I am partial too. I do not have any one > degree or employment. I was a Candy Striper in H.S. and a nurse's > aide when I was a young adult for several years. However, all my > work, lecturing, guidance, caretaking; educational matters, > boardroom, & committees; whether - Schools, County, State, > educational, developing new programs, rewriting others, or as I said > hands on care taking, has been done all through community service, > volunteering and philanthropy. As a parent and as an individual. > > In the last year I have been recuperating with health issues and > taking the time to delve more into astrology with all its reading > required for studying. I am doing some communicating by computer in > educational matters with students preparing for college and now here > with you on this site interacting and learning. It would be great > if I can learn the ability of the true inner essence & the > psychology of astrology/Vedic for personal interaction that would be > helpful to others. I do see myself going in that direction > of " helping others " in the future but in a different way than I have > in the last 35yrs. > > Did you receive and read my attachment on last post? I would be > interested in your opinion and experience with astrology. How you > got to where you are today and more on our Moons in our charts. > Too, Navamsa interpreting with Rashi. I know I am really weak in > that area. > > Debra > > > , " Bettina " <chiria@n...> > wrote: > > MessageHi again, Deb! I've been looking at your chart some more. > I forgot > > to mention the trine of Jupiter to the Sun / Pluto. It's one of > those > > " salvation " things that's helped you through. I noticed that your > natal > > Mercury has a cross-over cnj. from navamsa Neptune, and combined > with it > > being in 12th and cnj KE, adds to trouble with learning specific > factual > > information but good intuition ... or I can see you having times > when you > > just pull knowledge / information seemingly from out of nowhere > (probably > > nowadays what they call Right Brained). Jupiter in 7 combined > with Saturn > > in 1: you tend to see others as above you or bigger than you. > Don't make > > the mistake of giving your power away to them. > > > > Saturn and Pluto on nav asc as well as S and Neptune on natal > asc: you have > > hit bottom emotionally, psychologically at times in your life. > Vergottama > > exalted Moon PLUS Moon in nav being trined by Jupiter is > excellent. Both > > are good for intellegence. I wonder if like me, you get tuned > into nature. > > For me, walking in forests or meadows or seasides is the ultimate > in > > therapy. More even than meditation. I attribute that to Taurus > Moon. > > > > Do you mind if I ask what kind of work you do? Could it be > something where > > you help people with problems? I see you as an advocate for the > > disenfranchised, or those with financial or health or mental > problems. I > > have a friend with many astrological similarities to you, and > she's a social > > worker. > > > > > > ... Bettina > > > > > > > > dqm51@s... [dqm51@s...] > > Monday, May 10, 2004 12:08 PM > > Naturesastrology > > Bettina > > > > > > Hi Bettina, Here's more info from my side. 12th hse positions > I am very > > familiar with and can emphasize. Especially, your search for > nature's > > answers. I took a look at your Navamsa. It balances your chart > doesn't > > it? For good and challenges. Yes, I can see the God/Life quest > and the > > reverence in your chart. We are on the same wave lentgh. I too, > have felt > > my sanity has been saved by learning astrology and delving into > the essence > > of man and his relatiobships these past few years while going > through Sadi > > Sati. It sure has answered a lot of questions and concerns I have > had most > > of my life. I'm stumbling though on how to see the Moon in Taurus > as being > > the savior of a chart because of it's sign placement. For me and > you. I see > > from the Moon, 2nd hs Gemini, the fouth house of Leo and 5th hs > Virgo, 7th > > hs Scorpio and eight hse Sag and then 9th and 10th hse ruled by > Saturn as > > undermining the full effects of good things Moon in Taurus. > Whether one is > > in Sadi Sati or not. > > > > Debra > > > > > > ------------------------------ ---- > --------- > > -- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 Deb, Yes, I would say so. Except in Vedic planets in the 6th hs are considered quincunx to the asc. but not the 8th. 8th planets are qncx the 3rd hs and planets therein. Don't know why that is. Although I use the navamsa and know it says a lot about the person, I'm never sure how it differs from the natal. I think that any planets on the nav asc are important. It's supposed to have to do with the spouse. A thought came to me a few years ago (don't know if it's correct or not ): natal chart is manifestation, navamsa chart is motivation. Some people seem more like their navamsas! Remember Timothy McVeigh who blew up the OK City Federal Bldg? He had a rather decent looking natal chart. I never would have guessed that it belonged to someone with a criminal mentality. But his navamsa told a different story. I don't recall it exactly, but it did have an angular Mars/Saturn sq. Some other things, too. I'll have to locate it and take another look. I do think that when a nav planet crosses over to a close cnj with a natal planet or angle it has an effect on the natal chart. My husband, for example, has nav. Saturn crossing over to his nat. Moon and he has some traits that I've observed in people with Moon/Saturn aspects in the natal. .... Bettina dqm51 [dqm51]Wednesday, May 12, 2004 2:31 PM Subject: Re: BettinaHi Bettina,Ok, lets see if I've got this right. With your chart as an example.I will place your Navamsa chart over your Rashi. The navamsa chart like the fruit of a tree and the Rashi acting like the tree base itself. So, the fruit which grows and ripens or decays is based on the nourishment and structure of the tree base itself. Meaning: the Navamsa is influenced or stimulated by the Rashi but the Rashi can not be influenced or changed by the Navamsa. The Navamsa bears fruit for the shape of the Rashi chart for better or worse but can't change the basic nature/structure of the Rashi chart.With the navamsa overlay the Rashi then the chart is delieneated as usual from the Rashi only.Using Rashi ASCLooking at your two charts that would give your AQ/SA with Ve ACS NAVAMSA, 6th hse Rashi (work) from your 4th hse of family and security. 9th hse Rashi (spiritual, intent) from your 1st hse Asc Ge/Me with Sa, Su, Uranus (mental, communication ); 4th hse Rashi (family, security)Virgo/Me(work)with Sun, Me,Ne; 5th hse (creativity, children)Libra/Ve with Ve,Ma,Ju,Ma(relationships). 1st hse sq 4th, trine 5th. opp 7th Interesting to note: 3rd hse from lst hse is Le/Su with Jupiter; 8th hs from lst is Capicorn/Sa with Ke, Ke; 12th hse Taurus/Ve with Moon and Uranus....Important 10th hs sq lst9th hs trine 1st8th hs quin lst7th hs opp 1st11h hs sextile lst 1st House Delineation completedFrom this yes, I can see devotion of work to ones family, it's security, creativity and spiritualism from the home. I see the struggle, change and separation too but the mental capacity to pull through even if challenging and limited. The 6th hse from the Rashi ACS is not occupied but it does fall to Scorpio/Ma. I wouldn't discount that.I didn't teach you anything but did I get the delineation correct with synthesizing of lst hse of self?Debrap.s. could you help me translate to vedic? , "Bettina" <chiria@n...> wrote:> Hi, Debra. I read your attachment last night, and yes, we do have many> similarities. One thing about me: I've never been career oriented. I wish> I were more so, but my "Dharma" in this life seems to lie with domesticity,> self development, and momhood. I attribute that to my many planets in 4th> and 5th. Most of your planets are above the horizon, making you more of a> public person ... esp your 10th hs Mars would indicate this, I believe. For> 12 years I ran a small day care center in my home ... a very domestic> job.... and for a few years before we left CA I worked in a library ... a> job which truly resonated with my psyche ... probably because of my strong> Mercury. I want another library job here, but with Saturn taking its sweet> time crossing my asc, I've had one setback after another (mostly physical).> In another mo. or so it'll be over ... and then I'll start looking.> Patience, patience, patience. That's what Saturn demands of us.> > With S rising, I have a fear of rejection and other people's displeasure in> me. Because of a weak Mars, which is strongly colored by passive Venus, I> don't always verbally stand up for what I believe is right. Not that I cave> in to the person I don't agree with, but I just don't speak up and find it> easier to avoid them, thereby sidestepping conflict. I get tongue tied.> In my actions, though, I will work for what I believe in.> > Saturn sure colors the life strongly of those who have it rising. But I> think one can go a long way with it. My feeling is that when someone has it> on the asc but the rest of the horoscope is fairly strong, they're coming> off a previous life of some sort of disadvantage ... like having been a> slave, a servant, or someone who didn't have the respect or support of> society in gereral. That's probably why they're often aware of other> people's suffering.> > > ... Bettina> > > > > dqm51 [dqm51@s...]> Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:12 PM> > Re: Bettina> > > Hi Bettina!> > That's great on charts. I have never looked at Navamsa the way you> do! However, I can see how and why for the most part. Except> Jupiter trine Moon & Mars in Aries. I see square. Do you have> degrees in Navamsa, I don't have that ability; just sign and house> placement. See what I mean, one can never look at their chart as> objectively as another. Just like, say, a doctor trying to care for> his own family or a builder with his own house. Something always> gets missed, overlooked or forgotten in the details with emotions.> > Yes, yes I agree! Nature to me is God's country! I just love it!> In fact my residence has to have land or I am miserable. So, I live> on one acre of wooded property and have always had four seasons. I> grew up on 3 acres and spent most of my free time as a teenager> playing golf on a beautifully lined course at the Country Club.> Heaven!!! For a short time I was stuck in an apartment overlooking> the roof of a Commercial property, I almost gave into severe> depression because of it. It is one of the main reasons that as> much as I love the greatness of a metropolitan city I don't live> there. Only could do it if I had a place in the country to go to on> weekends. I have checked it out on a number of occasions with> Realtors and I've always pulled back. Too claustrophobic, linear> and impersonal. So, now I go to the city for its energy and stay in> a hotel and get pampered. But my home is in the country.> > Have you ever driven through the mountains of Colorado or Arizona?> OH MY!! I really can loose myself in all its greatness. Same too,> when I travel by plane. I am at the window seat and can look over> the vastness of the earth, 35000 ft above, and contemplate for> hours about the significance and insignificance we all have on this> planet and in relation to the cosmos itself. In fact I have> written an essay about one of those meditative experiences for> lecture on one of those flights. When I was a teenager, most of my> dates were at the airport. I couldn't get enough of seeing the jets> arrive and depart and watch the people in the airport coming and> going and would get lost in all the wondering and reasons for the> movement. The shear awe of seeing big birds take off and land. I> haven't flown a plane in years, but I use to have my private pilots> license. IT IS better than meditation!!> > My work and interest is indeed as you say. I find my real estate> background takes me only so far compared to my interaction and> influence helping others on a more personal level. I am at my soul> a caretaker. But one can easily find me in the boardroom helping to> organize or run a board regarding children as much as one could find> me doing one on one hands on work caring for someone. Children's> issues are my passion. Family matters because they affect children> comes next with all their problems as a whole or individually. I> have sponsored peopled and done bedpans for the elderly. Geriatrics> is another area where I am partial too. I do not have any one> degree or employment. I was a Candy Striper in H.S. and a nurse's> aide when I was a young adult for several years. However, all my> work, lecturing, guidance, caretaking; educational matters,> boardroom, & committees; whether - Schools, County, State,> educational, developing new programs, rewriting others, or as I said> hands on care taking, has been done all through community service,> volunteering and philanthropy. As a parent and as an individual.> > In the last year I have been recuperating with health issues and> taking the time to delve more into astrology with all its reading> required for studying. I am doing some communicating by computer in> educational matters with students preparing for college and now here> with you on this site interacting and learning. It would be great> if I can learn the ability of the true inner essence & the> psychology of astrology/Vedic for personal interaction that would be> helpful to others. I do see myself going in that direction> of "helping others" in the future but in a different way than I have> in the last 35yrs.> > Did you receive and read my attachment on last post? I would be> interested in your opinion and experience with astrology. How you> got to where you are today and more on our Moons in our charts.> Too, Navamsa interpreting with Rashi. I know I am really weak in> that area.> > Debra> > > , "Bettina" <chiria@n...>> wrote:> > MessageHi again, Deb! I've been looking at your chart some more.> I forgot> > to mention the trine of Jupiter to the Sun / Pluto. It's one of> those> > "salvation" things that's helped you through. I noticed that your> natal> > Mercury has a cross-over cnj. from navamsa Neptune, and combined> with it> > being in 12th and cnj KE, adds to trouble with learning specific> factual> > information but good intuition ... or I can see you having times> when you> > just pull knowledge / information seemingly from out of nowhere> (probably> > nowadays what they call Right Brained). Jupiter in 7 combined> with Saturn> > in 1: you tend to see others as above you or bigger than you.> Don't make> > the mistake of giving your power away to them.> >> > Saturn and Pluto on nav asc as well as S and Neptune on natal> asc: you have> > hit bottom emotionally, psychologically at times in your life.> Vergottama> > exalted Moon PLUS Moon in nav being trined by Jupiter is> excellent. Both> > are good for intellegence. I wonder if like me, you get tuned> into nature.> > For me, walking in forests or meadows or seasides is the ultimate> in> > therapy. More even than meditation. I attribute that to Taurus> Moon.> >> > Do you mind if I ask what kind of work you do? Could it be> something where> > you help people with problems? I see you as an advocate for the> > disenfranchised, or those with financial or health or mental> problems. I> > have a friend with many astrological similarities to you, and> she's a social> > worker.> >> >> > ... Bettina> >> >> > > > dqm51@s... [dqm51@s...]> > Monday, May 10, 2004 12:08 PM> > Naturesastrology > > Bettina> >> >> > Hi Bettina, Here's more info from my side. 12th hse positions> I am very> > familiar with and can emphasize. Especially, your search for> nature's> > answers. I took a look at your Navamsa. It balances your chart> doesn't> > it? For good and challenges. Yes, I can see the God/Life quest> and the> > reverence in your chart. We are on the same wave lentgh. I too,> have felt> > my sanity has been saved by learning astrology and delving into> the essence> > of man and his relatiobships these past few years while going> through Sadi> > Sati. It sure has answered a lot of questions and concerns I have> had most> > of my life. I'm stumbling though on how to see the Moon in Taurus> as being> > the savior of a chart because of it's sign placement. For me and> you. I see> > from the Moon, 2nd hs Gemini, the fouth house of Leo and 5th hs> Virgo, 7th> > hs Scorpio and eight hse Sag and then 9th and 10th hse ruled by> Saturn as> > undermining the full effects of good things Moon in Taurus.> Whether one is> > in Sadi Sati or not.> >> > Debra> >> >> > -> ---------> > --> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 Thanks Bettina, I am use to looking at the navamsha and other varga charts as separate entities vs. intregrating. So, I am really novice in this area. Just getting the transits and their degrees with the Rashi in the last year has taken me into a whole new world of understanding. Now to the varga synthesizing. I appreciate using you chart as a trial. Anything else you want to enlighten me on. If I get the navamsa down that would be great. I will work further and take your posts in hand as a study guide Debra , " Bettina " <chiria@n...> wrote: > Deb, > > > Yes, I would say so. Except in Vedic planets in the 6th hs are considered > quincunx to the asc. but not the 8th. 8th planets are qncx the 3rd hs and > planets therein. Don't know why that is. Although I use the navamsa and > know it says a lot about the person, I'm never sure how it differs from the > natal. I think that any planets on the nav asc are important. It's > supposed to have to do with the spouse. A thought came to me a few years > ago (don't know if it's correct or not ): natal chart is manifestation, > navamsa chart is motivation. Some people seem more like their navamsas! > Remember Timothy McVeigh who blew up the OK City Federal Bldg? He had a > rather decent looking natal chart. I never would have guessed that it > belonged to someone with a criminal mentality. But his navamsa told a > different story. I don't recall it exactly, but it did have an angular > Mars/Saturn sq. Some other things, too. I'll have to locate it and take > another look. > > I do think that when a nav planet crosses over to a close cnj with a natal > planet or angle it has an effect on the natal chart. My husband, for > example, has nav. Saturn crossing over to his nat. Moon and he has some > traits that I've observed in people with Moon/Saturn aspects in the natal. > > > ... Bettina > > dqm51 [dqm51@s...] > Wednesday, May 12, 2004 2:31 PM > > Re: Bettina > > > Hi Bettina, > > Ok, lets see if I've got this right. With your chart as an example. > > I will place your Navamsa chart over your Rashi. The navamsa chart > like the fruit of a tree and the Rashi acting like the tree base > itself. So, the fruit which grows and ripens or decays is based on > the nourishment and structure of the tree base itself. > > Meaning: the Navamsa is influenced or stimulated by the Rashi but > the Rashi can not be influenced or changed by the Navamsa. The > Navamsa bears fruit for the shape of the Rashi chart for better or > worse but can't change the basic nature/structure of the Rashi chart. > > With the navamsa overlay the Rashi then the chart is delieneated as > usual from the Rashi only. > > Using Rashi ASC > Looking at your two charts that would give your AQ/SA with Ve ACS > NAVAMSA, 6th hse Rashi (work) from your 4th hse of family and > security. 9th hse Rashi (spiritual, intent) from your 1st hse Asc > Ge/Me with Sa, Su, Uranus (mental, communication ); 4th hse Rashi > (family, security)Virgo/Me(work)with Sun, Me,Ne; 5th hse > (creativity, children)Libra/Ve with Ve,Ma,Ju,Ma(relationships). > > 1st hse sq 4th, trine 5th. opp 7th > > Interesting to note: 3rd hse from lst hse is Le/Su with Jupiter; 8th > hs from lst is Capicorn/Sa with Ke, Ke; 12th hse Taurus/Ve with > Moon and Uranus....Important > > 10th hs sq lst > 9th hs trine 1st > 8th hs quin lst > 7th hs opp 1st > > 11h hs sextile lst > > 1st House Delineation completed > > From this yes, I can see devotion of work to ones family, it's > security, creativity and spiritualism from the home. I see the > struggle, change and separation too but the mental capacity to pull > through even if challenging and limited. The 6th hse from the Rashi > ACS is not occupied but it does fall to Scorpio/Ma. I wouldn't > discount that. > > I didn't teach you anything but did I get the delineation correct > with synthesizing of lst hse of self? > > Debra > > p.s. could you help me translate to vedic? > > > , " Bettina " <chiria@n...> > wrote: > > Hi, Debra. I read your attachment last night, and yes, we do have > many > > similarities. One thing about me: I've never been career > oriented. I wish > > I were more so, but my " Dharma " in this life seems to lie with > domesticity, > > self development, and momhood. I attribute that to my many > planets in 4th > > and 5th. Most of your planets are above the horizon, making you > more of a > > public person ... esp your 10th hs Mars would indicate this, I > believe. For > > 12 years I ran a small day care center in my home ... a very > domestic > > job.... and for a few years before we left CA I worked in a > library ... a > > job which truly resonated with my psyche ... probably because of > my strong > > Mercury. I want another library job here, but with Saturn taking > its sweet > > time crossing my asc, I've had one setback after another (mostly > physical). > > In another mo. or so it'll be over ... and then I'll start looking. > > Patience, patience, patience. That's what Saturn demands of us. > > > > With S rising, I have a fear of rejection and other people's > displeasure in > > me. Because of a weak Mars, which is strongly colored by passive > Venus, I > > don't always verbally stand up for what I believe is right. Not > that I cave > > in to the person I don't agree with, but I just don't speak up and > find it > > easier to avoid them, thereby sidestepping conflict. I get > tongue tied. > > In my actions, though, I will work for what I believe in. > > > > Saturn sure colors the life strongly of those who have it rising. > But I > > think one can go a long way with it. My feeling is that when > someone has it > > on the asc but the rest of the horoscope is fairly strong, they're > coming > > off a previous life of some sort of disadvantage ... like having > been a > > slave, a servant, or someone who didn't have the respect or > support of > > society in gereral. That's probably why they're often aware of > other > > people's suffering. > > > > > > ... Bettina > > > > > > > > > > dqm51 [dqm51@s...] > > Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:12 PM > > > > Re: Bettina > > > > > > Hi Bettina! > > > > That's great on charts. I have never looked at Navamsa the way > you > > do! However, I can see how and why for the most part. Except > > Jupiter trine Moon & Mars in Aries. I see square. Do you have > > degrees in Navamsa, I don't have that ability; just sign and > house > > placement. See what I mean, one can never look at their chart as > > objectively as another. Just like, say, a doctor trying to care > for > > his own family or a builder with his own house. Something always > > gets missed, overlooked or forgotten in the details with > emotions. > > > > Yes, yes I agree! Nature to me is God's country! I just love > it! > > In fact my residence has to have land or I am miserable. So, I > live > > on one acre of wooded property and have always had four > seasons. I > > grew up on 3 acres and spent most of my free time as a teenager > > playing golf on a beautifully lined course at the Country Club. > > Heaven!!! For a short time I was stuck in an apartment > overlooking > > the roof of a Commercial property, I almost gave into severe > > depression because of it. It is one of the main reasons that as > > much as I love the greatness of a metropolitan city I don't live > > there. Only could do it if I had a place in the country to go > to on > > weekends. I have checked it out on a number of occasions with > > Realtors and I've always pulled back. Too claustrophobic, linear > > and impersonal. So, now I go to the city for its energy and > stay in > > a hotel and get pampered. But my home is in the country. > > > > Have you ever driven through the mountains of Colorado or > Arizona? > > OH MY!! I really can loose myself in all its greatness. Same > too, > > when I travel by plane. I am at the window seat and can look > over > > the vastness of the earth, 35000 ft above, and contemplate for > > hours about the significance and insignificance we all have on > this > > planet and in relation to the cosmos itself. In fact I have > > written an essay about one of those meditative experiences for > > lecture on one of those flights. When I was a teenager, most of > my > > dates were at the airport. I couldn't get enough of seeing the > jets > > arrive and depart and watch the people in the airport coming and > > going and would get lost in all the wondering and reasons for the > > movement. The shear awe of seeing big birds take off and > land. I > > haven't flown a plane in years, but I use to have my private > pilots > > license. IT IS better than meditation!! > > > > My work and interest is indeed as you say. I find my real estate > > background takes me only so far compared to my interaction and > > influence helping others on a more personal level. I am at my > soul > > a caretaker. But one can easily find me in the boardroom > helping to > > organize or run a board regarding children as much as one could > find > > me doing one on one hands on work caring for someone. Children's > > issues are my passion. Family matters because they affect > children > > comes next with all their problems as a whole or individually. I > > have sponsored peopled and done bedpans for the elderly. > Geriatrics > > is another area where I am partial too. I do not have any one > > degree or employment. I was a Candy Striper in H.S. and a > nurse's > > aide when I was a young adult for several years. However, all my > > work, lecturing, guidance, caretaking; educational matters, > > boardroom, & committees; whether - Schools, County, State, > > educational, developing new programs, rewriting others, or as I > said > > hands on care taking, has been done all through community > service, > > volunteering and philanthropy. As a parent and as an individual. > > > > In the last year I have been recuperating with health issues and > > taking the time to delve more into astrology with all its reading > > required for studying. I am doing some communicating by > computer in > > educational matters with students preparing for college and now > here > > with you on this site interacting and learning. It would be > great > > if I can learn the ability of the true inner essence & the > > psychology of astrology/Vedic for personal interaction that > would be > > helpful to others. I do see myself going in that direction > > of " helping others " in the future but in a different way than I > have > > in the last 35yrs. > > > > Did you receive and read my attachment on last post? I would be > > interested in your opinion and experience with astrology. How > you > > got to where you are today and more on our Moons in our charts. > > Too, Navamsa interpreting with Rashi. I know I am really weak in > > that area. > > > > Debra > > > > > > , " Bettina " <chiria@n...> > > wrote: > > > MessageHi again, Deb! I've been looking at your chart some > more. > > I forgot > > > to mention the trine of Jupiter to the Sun / Pluto. It's one > of > > those > > > " salvation " things that's helped you through. I noticed that > your > > natal > > > Mercury has a cross-over cnj. from navamsa Neptune, and > combined > > with it > > > being in 12th and cnj KE, adds to trouble with learning > specific > > factual > > > information but good intuition ... or I can see you having > times > > when you > > > just pull knowledge / information seemingly from out of nowhere > > (probably > > > nowadays what they call Right Brained). Jupiter in 7 combined > > with Saturn > > > in 1: you tend to see others as above you or bigger than you. > > Don't make > > > the mistake of giving your power away to them. > > > > > > Saturn and Pluto on nav asc as well as S and Neptune on natal > > asc: you have > > > hit bottom emotionally, psychologically at times in your life. > > Vergottama > > > exalted Moon PLUS Moon in nav being trined by Jupiter is > > excellent. Both > > > are good for intellegence. I wonder if like me, you get tuned > > into nature. > > > For me, walking in forests or meadows or seasides is the > ultimate > > in > > > therapy. More even than meditation. I attribute that to > Taurus > > Moon. > > > > > > Do you mind if I ask what kind of work you do? Could it be > > something where > > > you help people with problems? I see you as an advocate for > the > > > disenfranchised, or those with financial or health or mental > > problems. I > > > have a friend with many astrological similarities to you, and > > she's a social > > > worker. > > > > > > > > > ... Bettina > > > > > > > > > > > > dqm51@s... [dqm51@s...] > > > Monday, May 10, 2004 12:08 PM > > > Naturesastrology > > > Bettina > > > > > > > > > Hi Bettina, Here's more info from my side. 12th hse > positions > > I am very > > > familiar with and can emphasize. Especially, your search for > > nature's > > > answers. I took a look at your Navamsa. It balances your > chart > > doesn't > > > it? For good and challenges. Yes, I can see the God/Life > quest > > and the > > > reverence in your chart. We are on the same wave lentgh. I > too, > > have felt > > > my sanity has been saved by learning astrology and delving into > > the essence > > > of man and his relatiobships these past few years while going > > through Sadi > > > Sati. It sure has answered a lot of questions and concerns I > have > > had most > > > of my life. I'm stumbling though on how to see the Moon in > Taurus > > as being > > > the savior of a chart because of it's sign placement. For me > and > > you. I see > > > from the Moon, 2nd hs Gemini, the fouth house of Leo and 5th > hs > > Virgo, 7th > > > hs Scorpio and eight hse Sag and then 9th and 10th hse ruled by > > Saturn as > > > undermining the full effects of good things Moon in Taurus. > > Whether one is > > > in Sadi Sati or not. > > > > > > Debra > > > > > > > > > -------------------------- ---- > ---- > > --------- > > > -- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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