2-Arthyr, Flick & All, Mark K....5/12...re...: Western vs Vedic Sun Sign & Astrologys...

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At 06:55 PM 5/12/2004 -0500, Mark wrote:

Dear Arthyr & Flick

& All:

 

See below:

 

 

Arthyr <awc99

 

Sun, 09 May 2004 12:30:20 -0700

 

: Western vs Vedic Sun Sign &

Astrologys...

 

 

 

Hi Flick, hope the " Grand One " arrives soon for your

" sanity sake " ;-[)

 

At 05:34 PM 5/9/2004 +0100, Flick wrote to Mark:

 

>Mark, very interesting. I want one or the other to be it, I

really do, but I

>can see both in people, even when influences can't be ascribed to

overlap or

>close planets.

 

Arthyr> This is the problem with " dedicated " studies.

It's hard to break out of the mold. .

 

 

I think this is why God might have created Modern Science....to help

all of us,... 'break out' of our

molds...

Yes, quite possible that the all-creative power rests just behind the

mind

giving notice to ongoing survival.

 

 

Look at the

History of those times, people argueing soooo intensely....whether the

Earth was flat or round... or the Center of the Universe....

 

and so a more objective system of understanding needed to

evolve....

As Thomas Aquinas once said: " Naught but straw in the

wind. "

 

 

And the same

is true for Astrology today....

 

we need to apply all the great things that have evolved from Science...

and apply to 'us'....

 

There's still a great need to bring light to a truely modern....Science

of Consciousness or Psychology...

 

I told a friend one time I thought Jyotish was Vedic

Psychology!

Good point.

 

 

And being

trained as a Western Psychologist....we had a long conversation....

 

Now, I understand....that Jyotish is extremely good at helping us

understand...the fact...

that Consciousness itself.... may be better understood, by understanding

the natures of the Astrological qualities...and configurations....

 

 

 

.. Which is why I created

the sunset method. . . serves both the Western and Eastern

systems. . . something Mark wishes to accomplish.

 

> My husband, for example, has sun in Cancer in Jyotish and

no

>Leo, but in western astrology he has 6 planets in Leo and he

looks like a

>lion, he really does!

 

That's because, in Jyotish, Cancer " looks like a lion " . .

.. not a crab.

Crabs look like Geminis in Jyotish. It all falls back one

sign.

 

 

It may also be that there might be some other planets in Leo in his

Jyotish chart...

I believe she mentioned the fact that he didn't have any sidereal planets

in Leo.

 

 

The 2

systems are only 23 degrees apart...now...

 

But, in another 1400 years...they'll be over 46 degrees... and the

coincidences....

 

will be less and less....

 

Hopefully, by then, we'll see a kind of merging of the two....into a

greater, something,....

whole!

Like Yin and Yang. The two actually compliment each other.

A lot depends on the astrologer to comprehend which level

he or she is working with at the time. Just as with cooking,

recipes can be altered to suit one's taste but baking cannot

move out of the boundaries of the formulas. Yet, both methods

is considered " cooking " while working in a kitchen.

 

 

 

 

 

>I met someone once who was a schools inspector. She

>could tell people's sun signs from years of studying yearly

intake for

>schools and getting to know which appearance went with which

signs - she

>didn't know much about astrology beyond that. She went round a

whole

>gathering I was at and picked out everyone's sun signs.

 

I have met these gifted people as well. Amazing, thanks to Linda

Goodman!!

 

>I think Jyotish is very accurate for events, complex

relationships,

>divisional charts etc, but the jury's out regarding personality

and

>appearance.

 

Interesting thought. All systems have their merit. . . in

combination

they become impossible. It's like trying to merge two different

departments

into a single entity.

The ideas I put forth do keep these combinations

in separate chambers, in a matter of speaking, but I found it

necessary to

delete the house and sign " meaning " out of the

equation.

 

I still get an abundance of information from this methodology without

all

the inter-weaving and weighing of planetary placements.

 

> In fact some of the sign appearance definitions I've seen

for

>Vedic astrology are far less apt than the western ones.

 

It's the process. Does the Sun, standing all alone without the

benefit of a backdrop (sign), look like a lion? Still, it

" rules "

or is lord of the sign of Leo.

 

 

 

>Maybe at the end of the day we're looking at symbolism here. If

you assign

>symbolism it will eventually become alive in its own right.

 

Excellent point. . . the mind looks for similarities once the

organizational facilities are in place.

 

 

What I'm interested in, however, is.....

can we find the really, 'true'.... Astrological facts.... that

exist...inside of us...

I always extend this concept:

Astrology is the cosmic DNA of experience while

physical DNA produces the physical apparatus

for experience.

 

 

like blood

chemistry, and genetic predisposition to certain diseases....etc...

 

It's not just a matter of expectation and suggestion....

 

My Jyotish chart, really does fit me

better....

Yes, I have to agree, my sidereal/charts fit better as well.

 

 

Though there

are a number of aspects to Jyotish & Western.... that I

believe...

need to be changed....

Of course, that's why we are here in this forum.

 

 

I'm in the

process of writing a letter regarding the Best of West &

East.....

 

which I'll produce here, soon,...

 

and I'd love everyone's feedbacks regarding

it...

Got it! Hurry. . .

 

 

 

See you in the stars,

Arthyr,

 

http://TheSunsetChart.com

" Making Ancient Astrology Work for You "

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On 13/5/04 12:55 am, " Mark Kincaid " <m.kincaid wrote:

 

> It may also be that there might be some other planets in Leo in his Jyotish

> chart...

 

No, all the Leo ones go back into Cancer.