Guest guest Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 Yes, Morgana, I think this journey into Vedic has opened a whole new world to me to explore in spirit as well as in learning. I do paticularily enjoy the knowledge and philosophy of many different cultures and their religious beleifs. Maybe it's because I am older and I have room (without the ignorance or narrow predjudice of younger years) in my heart and mind to acknowledge and appreciate humankind in all its variety and experiences. Our existance and survival as a species. How we are all more related than divided. Isn't it fascinating that our quest to understand the meaning of our existance, life's purpose and what is beyond us has been something that humans have been searching for since we evolved. think of our ancestors looking out at the sky from their caves and wondering. how they were influenced in their beleifs because of the yearly cycles of nature passing before them. Nature's influence because of the Moon and the tides of the ocean. Volcanos and earth quakes that must of shaken most to fall to their knees and create religious beleifs and customs. Territorial quest for food and perservation. The psychology of consequences and behavorial traits. We are what we are today because of yesterday. There is no one real right or wrong. I am troubled though that humans can be so violent. But, I understand the innate survival issues that propel us to carry on as we do. I also understand the insanity of it all too. It really does want for one to reach within and then go beyond for a higher purpose for not only self but for others too. ************************** Sanskrit. Yes, It's the pronunciation, the phonetics that causes me difficulty because as I am trying to break the word down, I am trying to put it into context in an English meaning. I have come to the conclusion that to really get the language one really needs to know the meaning of the culture and its religious beliefs. So I have a few books plus the epic novel Mahabharata with the Bhagavad Gita written in both Sanskrit and English translation for better understanding. Good idea about keeping a journal of sanskrit words, I have often felt I needed to do that!! , " morgana " <morganaspirit@t...> wrote: > Hi Debra and Therese, Well I must reply to this one; perhaps we all have a Morrigen Goddess within, the shapeshifter who protects her own. She represents 'Mother' as well. That being said, Debra your experience with Meher [Mother] sounds very guided and mystical. I had a relationship in recent years with a man from Southern/Eastern portion of Indian below Tamil...origin there I will add. and his lineage was Dravidian. Interesting history, Dravidians! When I met him I had an instant connection; it couldn't last, unbelievably(7 planets in Aquarius, -a diplomat) he was not mystical nor spiritual, but for a few years that connection was strong. Strange thing is that my daughter met a man from India the same week I met mine, and now I have a grandson who has a good mixture of nationalities, and the wonderful color of tan. I am pure celtic, married a man from Holland and now my grandson is a mixture of it all. Why I add this is because I had a dream on the weekend that I have a strong past-life connection with India, and that does not surprise me. I have always been drawn to the wisdom that comes from India, and studied Eastern Philosophies in University. I am very interested in Jyotish astrology and the connection with gems and crystals is fascinating. What a wonderful way to blend it all. Nature's astrology Mark? Blending of it all. I actually get intensely angry at the dogmatic, closed religions of the western worlds; no offense to anyone meant, just my mindset. > Debra I have a huge library too, and like the turtle carrying my home on my back, those books have travelled with me all of my life almost like the way the turtle carries its shell. I haven't counted them past the last count of several thousand, but I sure hope I can have a home for them some day SOON. My van and I travel all over Canada and move too often but at age 54, I have had my limit! > Speaking of Sanskrit, I finally made some notes on the astrological words and their translation, and now that I have that list it helps to understand what it means. I still have a long way to go with Jyotish but the beginning has begun! Like you, I am a bit scattered I think, learning two or three things at once, so it is disorganized, but eventually comes together! > warm wishes, Morgana > - > dqm51 > > Wednesday, May 12, 2004 9:32 PM > Re: Introduction > > > Hi Therese, > > Her first name was Meher. > > She came to this country from India in the early 80 " s. She died at > the age of 62yrs old. > > She was raised with the Koran but found value in Vedic astrology. > (against her family beliefs and values - her father was in the > Indian gov council at one time) > > She was able to blend the two for me. > > The book she gave me is titled " Eastern Astrology for the Western > Mind " by James Braha > > She encourged me to start with that book and then when I was ready > to move on to other books. She said I would find my way in time, > when it was right. > > Today, I have over 300 books in my collection. Eastern, Western, > Astronomy, mythology, comparative religion, beginning of > civilization history books; from aristole to Indian epic books to > modern world culture. > > I search for the best of the best from no real knowledge. So my > collection has some very good authors, and not some. Some who have > psychology degrees and or religion degrees and so on. > > I am still adding to my Eastern collection. Moving on to more > sophisticated authors from India and matheticians. > > I have a lot of knowledge in my library that very well could teach > me everything I want to know but, I have not comprehended it all nor > do books in general give one all the nuisances of explanation and > idiosynchrocities one picks up and uses from contact with others. > > I am not in the habit of reading any one book from cover to cover. > Rather, I have several books going at once as I research different > things I am contemplating. Those books i study in-depth I know as > familiar when I reread again. Sometimes its too much and I have to > take a break for a few weeks or so from everything. > > However, I go back to my books and I always find something new. I > think for me it comes as I unfold in understanding and things start > to click. My expanded reading into the other areas I mentioned give > me a better sense of understanding people, their motives and where > we are today in spirituality vs where we have come from in the > past. I find it helps my intergration of understanding the concepts > of Vedic principals. > > I have a few sankrit books with english translations and it is still > all greek to me. Something I need to work on > > So I will call my collection a good reference library. Even if I do > have my favorite authors. DeFouw is one, so is Ernst Welhemn(?) > another, Charack(?), Frawley, Rath etc., > > I guess I found myself! > > > > , Therese Hamilton > <eastwest@s...> wrote: > > Hi Debra, > > > > Since the lady who touched you so dearly has died, would you be > willing to > > give us her name? Also, like Bettina, I'd like to know the name of > the book > > she recommended. > > > > I love the name Morgana, too! Maybe because it rings mythological > bells > > deep in my subconscious. > > > > Blessings, > > Therese > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 Deb, this is something that I find interesting: the astrology texts usually give prejudice, racism, bigotry, to Saturn. Yet everyone I've known who's had Saturn near the asc has been NOT prejudiced, bigoted, class conscious, or even snobbish. In fact, some of the more prejudiced (or class conscious) folks I've known have something big going on with Jupiter. J seems to catagorize poeple much more than S, not to see the basic commonality that runs through us all. It's a clear case of a misconception that's been handed down through the ages and never questioned. Of course, as with everything else, it has to be a combination of things, so I'm sure there are exceptions. .... Bettina dqm51 [dqm51]Friday, May 14, 2004 11:08 AM Subject: Re: Introduction and ThereseYes, Morgana, I think this journey into Vedic has opened a whole new world to me to explore in spirit as well as in learning. I do paticularily enjoy the knowledge and philosophy of many different cultures and their religious beleifs. Maybe it's because I am older and I have room (without the ignorance or narrow predjudice of younger years) in my heart and mind to acknowledge and appreciate humankind in all its variety and experiences. Our existance and survival as a species. How we are all more related than divided. Isn't it fascinating that our quest to understand the meaning of our existance, life's purpose and what is beyond us has been something that humans have been searching for since we evolved. think of our ancestors looking out at the sky from their caves and wondering. how they were influenced in their beleifs because of the yearly cycles of nature passing before them. Nature's influence because of the Moon and the tides of the ocean. Volcanos and earth quakes that must of shaken most to fall to their knees and create religious beleifs and customs. Territorial quest for food and perservation. The psychology of consequences and behavorial traits. We are what we are today because of yesterday. There is no one real right or wrong. I am troubled though that humans can be so violent. But, I understand the innate survival issues that propel us to carry on as we do. I also understand the insanity of it all too. It really does want for one to reach within and then go beyond for a higher purpose for not only self but for others too.**************************Sanskrit. Yes, It's the pronunciation, the phonetics that causes me difficulty because as I am trying to break the word down, I am trying to put it into context in an English meaning. I have come to the conclusion that to really get the language one really needs to know the meaning of the culture and its religious beliefs. So I have a few books plus the epic novel Mahabharata with the Bhagavad Gita written in both Sanskrit and English translation for better understanding. Good idea about keeping a journal of sanskrit words, I have often felt I needed to do that!! , "morgana" <morganaspirit@t...> wrote:> Hi Debra and Therese, Well I must reply to this one; perhaps we all have a Morrigen Goddess within, the shapeshifter who protects her own. She represents 'Mother' as well. That being said, Debra your experience with Meher [Mother] sounds very guided and mystical. I had a relationship in recent years with a man from Southern/Eastern portion of Indian below Tamil...origin there I will add. and his lineage was Dravidian. Interesting history, Dravidians! When I met him I had an instant connection; it couldn't last, unbelievably(7 planets in Aquarius, -a diplomat) he was not mystical nor spiritual, but for a few years that connection was strong. Strange thing is that my daughter met a man from India the same week I met mine, and now I have a grandson who has a good mixture of nationalities, and the wonderful color of tan. I am pure celtic, married a man from Holland and now my grandson is a mixture of it all. Why I add this is because I had a dream on the weekend that I have a strong past-life connection with India, and that does not surprise me. I have always been drawn to the wisdom that comes from India, and studied Eastern Philosophies in University. I am very interested in Jyotish astrology and the connection with gems and crystals is fascinating. What a wonderful way to blend it all. Nature's astrology Mark? Blending of it all. I actually get intensely angry at the dogmatic, closed religions of the western worlds; no offense to anyone meant, just my mindset. > Debra I have a huge library too, and like the turtle carrying my home on my back, those books have travelled with me all of my life almost like the way the turtle carries its shell. I haven't counted them past the last count of several thousand, but I sure hope I can have a home for them some day SOON. My van and I travel all over Canada and move too often but at age 54, I have had my limit!> Speaking of Sanskrit, I finally made some notes on the astrological words and their translation, and now that I have that list it helps to understand what it means. I still have a long way to go with Jyotish but the beginning has begun! Like you, I am a bit scattered I think, learning two or three things at once, so it is disorganized, but eventually comes together!> warm wishes, Morgana> - > dqm51 > > Wednesday, May 12, 2004 9:32 PM> Re: Introduction> > > Hi Therese,> > Her first name was Meher. > > She came to this country from India in the early 80"s. She died at > the age of 62yrs old.> > She was raised with the Koran but found value in Vedic astrology.> (against her family beliefs and values - her father was in the > Indian gov council at one time)> > She was able to blend the two for me. > > The book she gave me is titled "Eastern Astrology for the Western > Mind" by James Braha> > She encourged me to start with that book and then when I was ready > to move on to other books. She said I would find my way in time, > when it was right.> > Today, I have over 300 books in my collection. Eastern, Western, > Astronomy, mythology, comparative religion, beginning of > civilization history books; from aristole to Indian epic books to > modern world culture.> > I search for the best of the best from no real knowledge. So my > collection has some very good authors, and not some. Some who have > psychology degrees and or religion degrees and so on.> > I am still adding to my Eastern collection. Moving on to more > sophisticated authors from India and matheticians.> > I have a lot of knowledge in my library that very well could teach > me everything I want to know but, I have not comprehended it all nor > do books in general give one all the nuisances of explanation and > idiosynchrocities one picks up and uses from contact with others.> > I am not in the habit of reading any one book from cover to cover. > Rather, I have several books going at once as I research different > things I am contemplating. Those books i study in-depth I know as > familiar when I reread again. Sometimes its too much and I have to > take a break for a few weeks or so from everything. > > However, I go back to my books and I always find something new. I > think for me it comes as I unfold in understanding and things start > to click. My expanded reading into the other areas I mentioned give > me a better sense of understanding people, their motives and where > we are today in spirituality vs where we have come from in the > past. I find it helps my intergration of understanding the concepts > of Vedic principals. > > I have a few sankrit books with english translations and it is still > all greek to me. Something I need to work on > > So I will call my collection a good reference library. Even if I do > have my favorite authors. DeFouw is one, so is Ernst Welhemn(?) > another, Charack(?), Frawley, Rath etc., > > I guess I found myself! > > > > , Therese Hamilton > <eastwest@s...> wrote:> > Hi Debra,> > > > Since the lady who touched you so dearly has died, would you be > willing to> > give us her name? Also, like Bettina, I'd like to know the name of > the book> > she recommended.> > > > I love the name Morgana, too! Maybe because it rings mythological > bells> > deep in my subconscious.> > > > Blessings,> > Therese> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 Hi Bettina, Isn't that interesting. And, I have Jup on 7th. so one would think I could very easily expand on prejuduce etc. I have been accused of being aloof in the past but never one sided. Maybe, It comes down to what we project before someone gets to knows us. I am not sure. I will have to research that concept now. My husband, has S on Asc in Can - he is much more conservative in thought and action. My son has moon in Cap in 7th, so with that cancer Asc lots of Moon Saturn. He is starting to voice his opinions as an adult. didn't you say that you husband has moon Sat conj. btween Nav and rashi? Isn't that interesting that we can be similar in charts and husbands too. What about your children? , " Bettina " <chiria@n...> wrote: > Deb, this is something that I find interesting: the astrology texts usually > give prejudice, racism, bigotry, to Saturn. Yet everyone I've known who's > had Saturn near the asc has been NOT prejudiced, bigoted, class conscious, > or even snobbish. In fact, some of the more prejudiced (or class conscious) > folks I've known have something big going on with Jupiter. J seems to > catagorize poeple much more than S, not to see the basic commonality that > runs through us all. It's a clear case of a misconception that's been > handed down through the ages and never questioned. Of course, as with > everything else, it has to be a combination of things, so I'm sure there > are exceptions. > > > ... Bettina > > > > > dqm51 [dqm51@s...] > Friday, May 14, 2004 11:08 AM > > Re: Introduction and Therese > > > Yes, Morgana, I think this journey into Vedic has opened a whole > new world to me to explore in spirit as well as in learning. I do > paticularily enjoy the knowledge and philosophy of many different > cultures and their religious beleifs. Maybe it's because I am older > and I have room (without the ignorance or narrow predjudice of > younger years) in my heart and mind to acknowledge and appreciate > humankind in all its variety and experiences. Our existance and > survival as a species. How we are all more related than divided. > Isn't it fascinating that our quest to understand the meaning of our > existance, life's purpose and what is beyond us has been something > that humans have been searching for since we evolved. think of our > ancestors looking out at the sky from their caves and wondering. > how they were influenced in their beleifs because of the yearly > cycles of nature passing before them. Nature's influence because of > the Moon and the tides of the ocean. Volcanos and earth quakes that > must of shaken most to fall to their knees and create religious > beleifs and customs. Territorial quest for food and perservation. > The psychology of consequences and behavorial traits. We are what we > are today because of yesterday. There is no one real right or > wrong. > > I am troubled though that humans can be so violent. But, I > understand the innate survival issues that propel us to carry on as > we do. I also understand the insanity of it all too. It really > does want for one to reach within and then go beyond for a higher > purpose for not only self but for others too. > > ************************** > > Sanskrit. Yes, It's the pronunciation, the phonetics that causes me > difficulty because as I am trying to break the word down, I am > trying to put it into context in an English meaning. I have come to > the conclusion that to really get the language one really needs to > know the meaning of the culture and its religious beliefs. So I have > a few books plus the epic novel Mahabharata with the Bhagavad Gita > written in both Sanskrit and English translation for better > understanding. Good idea about keeping a journal of sanskrit words, > I have often felt I needed to do that!! > > > , " morgana " > <morganaspirit@t...> wrote: > > Hi Debra and Therese, Well I must reply to this one; perhaps we > all have a Morrigen Goddess within, the shapeshifter who protects > her own. She represents 'Mother' as well. That being said, Debra > your experience with Meher [Mother] sounds very guided and > mystical. I had a relationship in recent years with a man from > Southern/Eastern portion of Indian below Tamil...origin there I will > add. and his lineage was Dravidian. Interesting history, > Dravidians! When I met him I had an instant connection; it > couldn't last, unbelievably(7 planets in Aquarius, -a diplomat) he > was not mystical nor spiritual, but for a few years that connection > was strong. Strange thing is that my daughter met a man from India > the same week I met mine, and now I have a grandson who has a good > mixture of nationalities, and the wonderful color of tan. I am pure > celtic, married a man from Holland and now my grandson is a mixture > of it all. Why I add this is because I had a dream on the weekend > that I have a strong past-life connection with India, and that does > not surprise me. I have always been drawn to the wisdom that comes > from India, and studied Eastern Philosophies in University. I am > very interested in Jyotish astrology and the connection with gems > and crystals is fascinating. What a wonderful way to blend it > all. Nature's astrology Mark? Blending of it all. I actually get > intensely angry at the dogmatic, closed religions of the western > worlds; no offense to anyone meant, just my mindset. > > Debra I have a huge library too, and like the turtle carrying my > home on my back, those books have travelled with me all of my life > almost like the way the turtle carries its shell. I haven't counted > them past the last count of several thousand, but I sure hope I can > have a home for them some day SOON. My van and I travel all over > Canada and move too often but at age 54, I have had my limit! > > Speaking of Sanskrit, I finally made some notes on the > astrological words and their translation, and now that I have that > list it helps to understand what it means. I still have a long way > to go with Jyotish but the beginning has begun! Like you, I am a > bit scattered I think, learning two or three things at once, so it > is disorganized, but eventually comes together! > > warm wishes, Morgana > > - > > dqm51 > > > > Wednesday, May 12, 2004 9:32 PM > > Re: Introduction > > > > > > Hi Therese, > > > > Her first name was Meher. > > > > She came to this country from India in the early 80 " s. She died > at > > the age of 62yrs old. > > > > She was raised with the Koran but found value in Vedic astrology. > > (against her family beliefs and values - her father was in the > > Indian gov council at one time) > > > > She was able to blend the two for me. > > > > The book she gave me is titled " Eastern Astrology for the > Western > > Mind " by James Braha > > > > She encourged me to start with that book and then when I was > ready > > to move on to other books. She said I would find my way in > time, > > when it was right. > > > > Today, I have over 300 books in my collection. Eastern, > Western, > > Astronomy, mythology, comparative religion, beginning of > > civilization history books; from aristole to Indian epic books > to > > modern world culture. > > > > I search for the best of the best from no real knowledge. So my > > collection has some very good authors, and not some. Some who > have > > psychology degrees and or religion degrees and so on. > > > > I am still adding to my Eastern collection. Moving on to more > > sophisticated authors from India and matheticians. > > > > I have a lot of knowledge in my library that very well could > teach > > me everything I want to know but, I have not comprehended it all > nor > > do books in general give one all the nuisances of explanation > and > > idiosynchrocities one picks up and uses from contact with others. > > > > I am not in the habit of reading any one book from cover to > cover. > > Rather, I have several books going at once as I research > different > > things I am contemplating. Those books i study in-depth I know > as > > familiar when I reread again. Sometimes its too much and I have > to > > take a break for a few weeks or so from everything. > > > > However, I go back to my books and I always find something new. > I > > think for me it comes as I unfold in understanding and things > start > > to click. My expanded reading into the other areas I mentioned > give > > me a better sense of understanding people, their motives and > where > > we are today in spirituality vs where we have come from in the > > past. I find it helps my intergration of understanding the > concepts > > of Vedic principals. > > > > I have a few sankrit books with english translations and it is > still > > all greek to me. Something I need to work on > > > > So I will call my collection a good reference library. Even if > I do > > have my favorite authors. DeFouw is one, so is Ernst Welhemn (?) > > another, Charack(?), Frawley, Rath etc., > > > > I guess I found myself! > > > > > > > > , Therese Hamilton > > <eastwest@s...> wrote: > > > Hi Debra, > > > > > > Since the lady who touched you so dearly has died, would you > be > > willing to > > > give us her name? Also, like Bettina, I'd like to know the > name of > > the book > > > she recommended. > > > > > > I love the name Morgana, too! Maybe because it rings > mythological > > bells > > > deep in my subconscious. > > > > > > Blessings, > > > Therese > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 The thing is, when J is in 7, it's as far as it can get from the asc, so it's not considered to be a strong placement for it. Do you tend to gravitate to people with strong Js? My h has PL and Rahu rising. He's conservative in some ways, but not racially prejudiced. I'd say he was somewhat when I first met him. Not now. His spiritual beliefs have changed that, also my influence (that tapping sound you hear is me patting myself on the back), plus just getting to know a variety of people through work and other places. He's a pretty mellow fellow with an ang Venus and Moon and no mals aspecting lights. Friendly to everyone. My kids: I have one with PL and UR right on asc. S and PL on asc in nav. He was very difficult to raise, found out he was bipolar in his 20s, now is doing well with meds and is a grad student in psychology. 2nd son: Moon and KE on Cancer asc opposed by exalted Mars, trined by J and sxtld. by S. He's a cop ... sees the seamy side of life and isn't always enamored of his fellow human beings, no matter what their race. Seems like his job has made him a little cynical. Interesting tidbit: he converted to Catholicism (from nothing, organised religion-wise) and finds great comfort in his faith. 3rd son: Saturn about 11 degs above Cancer asc. sq'ing 10th hs Moon. Sun, Merc, Ven. in 2nd in Leo. Has had a lot of trouble with academic learning, but, in my opinion excells at cooking. I want him to go into it professionally, but he hasn't yet. 2nd hs has to do with cooking and his Sun is there in its rulership and moolatrikona, making it strong. 2nd also has to do with voice, and he has a good singing voice, not that he does anything with it. Also support of family. He's shy and holds back with people, but not prejuded. Now, daughter: stellium in Scorpio in 3rd, including both lights. J and Ven. on cusp of 4th. Too young to know what she'll do. Many interests (sports not among them), high average academically. Loves having friends, but thinks she's invisible to many people. Maybe that's KE with lights. Relates to all ... I find older people (I mean older than she is, which is 19) seem to like her better than her own age. She adores animals and if she had her own way our home would be another Noah's ark. I wonder if people with strong Neps love animals. She has a wide cnj of it to Ven. and it's on the nav. asc. .... Bettina dqm51 [dqm51]Friday, May 14, 2004 12:24 PM Subject: Re: Introduction and ThereseHi Bettina, Isn't that interesting.And, I have Jup on 7th. so one would think I could very easily expand on prejuduce etc. I have been accused of being aloof in the past but never one sided. Maybe, It comes down to what we project before someone gets to knows us. I am not sure. I will have to research that concept now. My husband, has S on Asc in Can - he is much more conservative in thought and action. My son has moon in Cap in 7th, so with that cancer Asc lots of Moon Saturn. He is starting to voice his opinions as an adult. didn't you say that you husband has moon Sat conj. btween Nav and rashi? Isn't that interesting that we can be similar in charts and husbands too. What about your children? , "Bettina" <chiria@n...> wrote:> Deb, this is something that I find interesting: the astrology texts usually> give prejudice, racism, bigotry, to Saturn. Yet everyone I've known who's> had Saturn near the asc has been NOT prejudiced, bigoted, class conscious,> or even snobbish. In fact, some of the more prejudiced (or class conscious)> folks I've known have something big going on with Jupiter. J seems to> catagorize poeple much more than S, not to see the basic commonality that> runs through us all. It's a clear case of a misconception that's been> handed down through the ages and never questioned. Of course, as with> everything else, it has to be a combination of things, so I'm sure there> are exceptions.> > > ... Bettina> > > > > dqm51 [dqm51@s...]> Friday, May 14, 2004 11:08 AM> > Re: Introduction and Therese> > > Yes, Morgana, I think this journey into Vedic has opened a whole> new world to me to explore in spirit as well as in learning. I do> paticularily enjoy the knowledge and philosophy of many different> cultures and their religious beleifs. Maybe it's because I am older> and I have room (without the ignorance or narrow predjudice of> younger years) in my heart and mind to acknowledge and appreciate> humankind in all its variety and experiences. Our existance and> survival as a species. How we are all more related than divided.> Isn't it fascinating that our quest to understand the meaning of our> existance, life's purpose and what is beyond us has been something> that humans have been searching for since we evolved. think of our> ancestors looking out at the sky from their caves and wondering.> how they were influenced in their beleifs because of the yearly> cycles of nature passing before them. Nature's influence because of> the Moon and the tides of the ocean. Volcanos and earth quakes that> must of shaken most to fall to their knees and create religious> beleifs and customs. Territorial quest for food and perservation.> The psychology of consequences and behavorial traits. We are what we> are today because of yesterday. There is no one real right or> wrong.> > I am troubled though that humans can be so violent. But, I> understand the innate survival issues that propel us to carry on as> we do. I also understand the insanity of it all too. It really> does want for one to reach within and then go beyond for a higher> purpose for not only self but for others too.> > **************************> > Sanskrit. Yes, It's the pronunciation, the phonetics that causes me> difficulty because as I am trying to break the word down, I am> trying to put it into context in an English meaning. I have come to> the conclusion that to really get the language one really needs to> know the meaning of the culture and its religious beliefs. So I have> a few books plus the epic novel Mahabharata with the Bhagavad Gita> written in both Sanskrit and English translation for better> understanding. Good idea about keeping a journal of sanskrit words,> I have often felt I needed to do that!!> > > , "morgana"> <morganaspirit@t...> wrote:> > Hi Debra and Therese, Well I must reply to this one; perhaps we> all have a Morrigen Goddess within, the shapeshifter who protects> her own. She represents 'Mother' as well. That being said, Debra> your experience with Meher [Mother] sounds very guided and> mystical. I had a relationship in recent years with a man from> Southern/Eastern portion of Indian below Tamil...origin there I will> add. and his lineage was Dravidian. Interesting history,> Dravidians! When I met him I had an instant connection; it> couldn't last, unbelievably(7 planets in Aquarius, -a diplomat) he> was not mystical nor spiritual, but for a few years that connection> was strong. Strange thing is that my daughter met a man from India> the same week I met mine, and now I have a grandson who has a good> mixture of nationalities, and the wonderful color of tan. I am pure> celtic, married a man from Holland and now my grandson is a mixture> of it all. Why I add this is because I had a dream on the weekend> that I have a strong past-life connection with India, and that does> not surprise me. I have always been drawn to the wisdom that comes> from India, and studied Eastern Philosophies in University. I am> very interested in Jyotish astrology and the connection with gems> and crystals is fascinating. What a wonderful way to blend it> all. Nature's astrology Mark? Blending of it all. I actually get> intensely angry at the dogmatic, closed religions of the western> worlds; no offense to anyone meant, just my mindset.> > Debra I have a huge library too, and like the turtle carrying my> home on my back, those books have travelled with me all of my life> almost like the way the turtle carries its shell. I haven't counted> them past the last count of several thousand, but I sure hope I can> have a home for them some day SOON. My van and I travel all over> Canada and move too often but at age 54, I have had my limit!> > Speaking of Sanskrit, I finally made some notes on the> astrological words and their translation, and now that I have that> list it helps to understand what it means. I still have a long way> to go with Jyotish but the beginning has begun! Like you, I am a> bit scattered I think, learning two or three things at once, so it> is disorganized, but eventually comes together!> > warm wishes, Morgana> > -> > dqm51> > > > Wednesday, May 12, 2004 9:32 PM> > Re: Introduction> >> >> > Hi Therese,> >> > Her first name was Meher.> >> > She came to this country from India in the early 80"s. She died> at> > the age of 62yrs old.> >> > She was raised with the Koran but found value in Vedic astrology.> > (against her family beliefs and values - her father was in the> > Indian gov council at one time)> >> > She was able to blend the two for me.> >> > The book she gave me is titled "Eastern Astrology for the> Western> > Mind" by James Braha> >> > She encourged me to start with that book and then when I was> ready> > to move on to other books. She said I would find my way in> time,> > when it was right.> >> > Today, I have over 300 books in my collection. Eastern,> Western,> > Astronomy, mythology, comparative religion, beginning of> > civilization history books; from aristole to Indian epic books> to> > modern world culture.> >> > I search for the best of the best from no real knowledge. So my> > collection has some very good authors, and not some. Some who> have> > psychology degrees and or religion degrees and so on.> >> > I am still adding to my Eastern collection. Moving on to more> > sophisticated authors from India and matheticians.> >> > I have a lot of knowledge in my library that very well could> teach> > me everything I want to know but, I have not comprehended it all> nor> > do books in general give one all the nuisances of explanation> and> > idiosynchrocities one picks up and uses from contact with others.> >> > I am not in the habit of reading any one book from cover to> cover.> > Rather, I have several books going at once as I research> different> > things I am contemplating. Those books i study in-depth I know> as> > familiar when I reread again. Sometimes its too much and I have> to> > take a break for a few weeks or so from everything.> >> > However, I go back to my books and I always find something new.> I> > think for me it comes as I unfold in understanding and things> start> > to click. My expanded reading into the other areas I mentioned> give> > me a better sense of understanding people, their motives and> where> > we are today in spirituality vs where we have come from in the> > past. I find it helps my intergration of understanding the> concepts> > of Vedic principals.> >> > I have a few sankrit books with english translations and it is> still> > all greek to me. Something I need to work on> >> > So I will call my collection a good reference library. Even if> I do> > have my favorite authors. DeFouw is one, so is Ernst Welhemn(?)> > another, Charack(?), Frawley, Rath etc.,> >> > I guess I found myself!> >> >> >> > , Therese Hamilton> > <eastwest@s...> wrote:> > > Hi Debra,> > >> > > Since the lady who touched you so dearly has died, would you> be> > willing to> > > give us her name? Also, like Bettina, I'd like to know the> name of> > the book> > > she recommended.> > >> > > I love the name Morgana, too! Maybe because it rings> mythological> > bells> > > deep in my subconscious.> > >> > > Blessings,> > > Therese> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 Bettina, That is sooo interesting. Going to get my worksheets and lay it all out! I am curious. What got you into astrolgoy? Vedic? how long have you been study? How did you go about it? Isn't it interesting that there is a small group of us here that are well seasoned Mothers and wives. I never would of imagined myself at the depth of interest or study that I am now when I was single and in my early 20's. Funny how life touches us. D p.s. my Son is turning 19 this summer. He is graduating H.S. in a few weeks in CA no less! Been studying last 4yrs there as a theatre major in a Performing Arts boarding school. , " Bettina " <chiria@n...> wrote: > The thing is, when J is in 7, it's as far as it can get from the asc, so > it's not considered to be a strong placement for it. Do you tend to > gravitate to people with strong Js? > > My h has PL and Rahu rising. He's conservative in some ways, but not > racially prejudiced. I'd say he was somewhat when I first met him. Not > now. His spiritual beliefs have changed that, also my influence (that > tapping sound you hear is me patting myself on the back), plus just getting > to know a variety of people through work and other places. He's a pretty > mellow fellow with an ang Venus and Moon and no mals aspecting lights. > Friendly to everyone. > > > My kids: I have one with PL and UR right on asc. S and PL on asc in nav. > He was very difficult to raise, found out he was bipolar in his 20s, now is > doing well with meds and is a grad student in psychology. 2nd son: Moon > and KE on Cancer asc opposed by exalted Mars, trined by J and sxtld. by S. > He's a cop ... sees the seamy side of life and isn't always enamored of his > fellow human beings, no matter what their race. Seems like his job has made > him a little cynical. Interesting tidbit: he converted to Catholicism (from > nothing, organised religion-wise) and finds great comfort in his faith. 3rd > son: Saturn about 11 degs above Cancer asc. sq'ing 10th hs Moon. Sun, > Merc, Ven. in 2nd in Leo. Has had a lot of trouble with academic learning, > but, in my opinion excells at cooking. I want him to go into it > professionally, but he hasn't yet. 2nd hs has to do with cooking and his > Sun is there in its rulership and moolatrikona, making it strong. 2nd also > has to do with voice, and he has a good singing voice, not that he does > anything with it. Also support of family. He's shy and holds back with > people, but not prejuded. > > Now, daughter: stellium in Scorpio in 3rd, including both lights. J and > Ven. on cusp of 4th. Too young to know what she'll do. Many interests > (sports not among them), high average academically. Loves having friends, > but thinks she's invisible to many people. Maybe that's KE with lights. > Relates to all ... I find older people (I mean older than she is, which is > 19) seem to like her better than her own age. She adores animals and if she > had her own way our home would be another Noah's ark. I wonder if people > with strong Neps love animals. She has a wide cnj of it to Ven. and it's on > the nav. asc. > > > ... Bettina > > > > > dqm51 [dqm51@s...] > Friday, May 14, 2004 12:24 PM > > Re: Introduction and Therese > > > Hi Bettina, Isn't that interesting. > > And, I have Jup on 7th. so one would think I could very easily > expand on prejuduce etc. I have been accused of being aloof in the > past but never one sided. Maybe, It comes down to what we project > before someone gets to knows us. I am not sure. I will have to > research that concept now. My husband, has S on Asc in Can - he is > much more conservative in thought and action. My son has moon in > Cap in 7th, so with that cancer Asc lots of Moon Saturn. He is > starting to voice his opinions as an adult. didn't you say that you > husband has moon Sat conj. btween Nav and rashi? Isn't that > interesting that we can be similar in charts and husbands too. What > about your children? > > > > > , " Bettina " <chiria@n...> > wrote: > > Deb, this is something that I find interesting: the astrology > texts usually > > give prejudice, racism, bigotry, to Saturn. Yet everyone I've > known who's > > had Saturn near the asc has been NOT prejudiced, bigoted, class > conscious, > > or even snobbish. In fact, some of the more prejudiced (or class > conscious) > > folks I've known have something big going on with Jupiter. J > seems to > > catagorize poeple much more than S, not to see the basic > commonality that > > runs through us all. It's a clear case of a misconception that's > been > > handed down through the ages and never questioned. Of course, as > with > > everything else, it has to be a combination of things, so I'm > sure there > > are exceptions. > > > > > > ... Bettina > > > > > > > > > > dqm51 [dqm51@s...] > > Friday, May 14, 2004 11:08 AM > > > > Re: Introduction and Therese > > > > > > Yes, Morgana, I think this journey into Vedic has opened a whole > > new world to me to explore in spirit as well as in learning. I > do > > paticularily enjoy the knowledge and philosophy of many different > > cultures and their religious beleifs. Maybe it's because I am > older > > and I have room (without the ignorance or narrow predjudice of > > younger years) in my heart and mind to acknowledge and appreciate > > humankind in all its variety and experiences. Our existance and > > survival as a species. How we are all more related than divided. > > Isn't it fascinating that our quest to understand the meaning of > our > > existance, life's purpose and what is beyond us has been > something > > that humans have been searching for since we evolved. think of > our > > ancestors looking out at the sky from their caves and wondering. > > how they were influenced in their beleifs because of the yearly > > cycles of nature passing before them. Nature's influence > because of > > the Moon and the tides of the ocean. Volcanos and earth quakes > that > > must of shaken most to fall to their knees and create religious > > beleifs and customs. Territorial quest for food and > perservation. > > The psychology of consequences and behavorial traits. We are > what we > > are today because of yesterday. There is no one real right or > > wrong. > > > > I am troubled though that humans can be so violent. But, I > > understand the innate survival issues that propel us to carry on > as > > we do. I also understand the insanity of it all too. It really > > does want for one to reach within and then go beyond for a higher > > purpose for not only self but for others too. > > > > ************************** > > > > Sanskrit. Yes, It's the pronunciation, the phonetics that > causes me > > difficulty because as I am trying to break the word down, I am > > trying to put it into context in an English meaning. I have come > to > > the conclusion that to really get the language one really needs > to > > know the meaning of the culture and its religious beliefs. So I > have > > a few books plus the epic novel Mahabharata with the Bhagavad > Gita > > written in both Sanskrit and English translation for better > > understanding. Good idea about keeping a journal of sanskrit > words, > > I have often felt I needed to do that!! > > > > > > , " morgana " > > <morganaspirit@t...> wrote: > > > Hi Debra and Therese, Well I must reply to this one; perhaps > we > > all have a Morrigen Goddess within, the shapeshifter who protects > > her own. She represents 'Mother' as well. That being said, > Debra > > your experience with Meher [Mother] sounds very guided and > > mystical. I had a relationship in recent years with a man from > > Southern/Eastern portion of Indian below Tamil...origin there I > will > > add. and his lineage was Dravidian. Interesting history, > > Dravidians! When I met him I had an instant connection; it > > couldn't last, unbelievably(7 planets in Aquarius, -a diplomat) > he > > was not mystical nor spiritual, but for a few years that > connection > > was strong. Strange thing is that my daughter met a man from > India > > the same week I met mine, and now I have a grandson who has a > good > > mixture of nationalities, and the wonderful color of tan. I am > pure > > celtic, married a man from Holland and now my grandson is a > mixture > > of it all. Why I add this is because I had a dream on the > weekend > > that I have a strong past-life connection with India, and that > does > > not surprise me. I have always been drawn to the wisdom that > comes > > from India, and studied Eastern Philosophies in University. I am > > very interested in Jyotish astrology and the connection with gems > > and crystals is fascinating. What a wonderful way to blend it > > all. Nature's astrology Mark? Blending of it all. I actually > get > > intensely angry at the dogmatic, closed religions of the western > > worlds; no offense to anyone meant, just my mindset. > > > Debra I have a huge library too, and like the turtle carrying > my > > home on my back, those books have travelled with me all of my > life > > almost like the way the turtle carries its shell. I haven't > counted > > them past the last count of several thousand, but I sure hope I > can > > have a home for them some day SOON. My van and I travel all over > > Canada and move too often but at age 54, I have had my limit! > > > Speaking of Sanskrit, I finally made some notes on the > > astrological words and their translation, and now that I have > that > > list it helps to understand what it means. I still have a long > way > > to go with Jyotish but the beginning has begun! Like you, I am > a > > bit scattered I think, learning two or three things at once, so > it > > is disorganized, but eventually comes together! > > > warm wishes, Morgana > > > - > > > dqm51 > > > > > > Wednesday, May 12, 2004 9:32 PM > > > Re: Introduction > > > > > > > > > Hi Therese, > > > > > > Her first name was Meher. > > > > > > She came to this country from India in the early 80 " s. She > died > > at > > > the age of 62yrs old. > > > > > > She was raised with the Koran but found value in Vedic > astrology. > > > (against her family beliefs and values - her father was in > the > > > Indian gov council at one time) > > > > > > She was able to blend the two for me. > > > > > > The book she gave me is titled " Eastern Astrology for the > > Western > > > Mind " by James Braha > > > > > > She encourged me to start with that book and then when I was > > ready > > > to move on to other books. She said I would find my way in > > time, > > > when it was right. > > > > > > Today, I have over 300 books in my collection. Eastern, > > Western, > > > Astronomy, mythology, comparative religion, beginning of > > > civilization history books; from aristole to Indian epic > books > > to > > > modern world culture. > > > > > > I search for the best of the best from no real knowledge. > So my > > > collection has some very good authors, and not some. Some > who > > have > > > psychology degrees and or religion degrees and so on. > > > > > > I am still adding to my Eastern collection. Moving on to > more > > > sophisticated authors from India and matheticians. > > > > > > I have a lot of knowledge in my library that very well could > > teach > > > me everything I want to know but, I have not comprehended it > all > > nor > > > do books in general give one all the nuisances of explanation > > and > > > idiosynchrocities one picks up and uses from contact with > others. > > > > > > I am not in the habit of reading any one book from cover to > > cover. > > > Rather, I have several books going at once as I research > > different > > > things I am contemplating. Those books i study in-depth I > know > > as > > > familiar when I reread again. Sometimes its too much and I > have > > to > > > take a break for a few weeks or so from everything. > > > > > > However, I go back to my books and I always find something > new. > > I > > > think for me it comes as I unfold in understanding and things > > start > > > to click. My expanded reading into the other areas I > mentioned > > give > > > me a better sense of understanding people, their motives and > > where > > > we are today in spirituality vs where we have come from in > the > > > past. I find it helps my intergration of understanding the > > concepts > > > of Vedic principals. > > > > > > I have a few sankrit books with english translations and it > is > > still > > > all greek to me. Something I need to work on > > > > > > So I will call my collection a good reference library. Even > if > > I do > > > have my favorite authors. DeFouw is one, so is Ernst Welhemn > (?) > > > another, Charack(?), Frawley, Rath etc., > > > > > > I guess I found myself! > > > > > > > > > > > > , Therese Hamilton > > > <eastwest@s...> wrote: > > > > Hi Debra, > > > > > > > > Since the lady who touched you so dearly has died, would > you > > be > > > willing to > > > > give us her name? Also, like Bettina, I'd like to know the > > name of > > > the book > > > > she recommended. > > > > > > > > I love the name Morgana, too! Maybe because it rings > > mythological > > > bells > > > > deep in my subconscious. > > > > > > > > Blessings, > > > > Therese > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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