RE: 2-Betitna, Mark Kincaid....8/3...re..... To Mark from Rajeev onKuja Dosh

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Mark Kincaid [m.kincaid]Tuesday, August 03, 2004 9:38 AM Subject: 2-Betitna, > Mark Kincaid....8/3...re..... To Mark from Rajeev onKuja DoshDear Bettina:Yes, yes,.....I'd agree.We do have to look at the whole.Also, my main point is that it's not enough to just find the problem in one's chart, whether it's due to Mars being kuja dosha, or in the 2nd house,or in conjunction, as you said.The main point is to then start to figure out what can we do about it!Our charts are not just about our fates, they're about our opportunitys, as well.I've enjoyed your many contributions over the last few months.Thank you.Mark Kincaid> "Bettina" <chiria> > Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:57:27 -0700> > RE: To Mark from Rajeev on Kuja Dosh> > Rajeev ...> > > I'd like to make a few points based on people I know personally. Mars in 2> tends to have a loud voice, but is not neccessarily argumentative or> aggressive in what they say. Just the voice is loud. They also may spend> money impulsively and unwisely. Argumentativeness, rudeness, and the> tendency to interrupt or say harsh things is more likely to come from> aspects between Mars and Mercury, or even Mars and Moon (Moon/Mars asps can> be "bitchy" in either sex), I guess since the Moon just has to do with the> personality in general.> > I believe that though the 2nd hs has to do with the voice itself, the 3rd> has more to do with what you say. 2nd=speech, 3rd=message using that> speech.> > I've known many people with kuja dosha who married young and had successful> marriages. So many other things come into play. Like everything else in> astrology, you have to get the complete picture. A strong Venus or 7th hs> that's well fortified in other ways helps. Also, one must look to the> navamsa, as it's the chart of the spouse. My husband has Mars in 12 and> we've had a successful marriage. He's a gentle and easy going bloke for the> most part, but likes to do things his own way and get his own way.> Sometimes he'll make a major purchase w/o consulting me, which I don't like,> but I wouldn't get a divorce over it. I attribute that trait more to his> having Sun and Venus in Aries and Pluto rising than to kuja dosha.> > Some texts go so far as to say that kd has to do not just with the 7th hs,> but also with Moon and Venus. So if you have Mars forming a cnj, forward> sq, opp, or quincunx to any of those three, you'd have kd! Or if Mars is in> the house immediately after any of those points! That would hardly leave> anyone who didn't have it.> > > ... Bettina> > > > > > > Rajeev Tadepalli [Rajeev.Tadepalli]> Tuesday, August 03, 2004 12:32 AM> > To Mark from Rajeev on Kuja Dosh> > > Mark,> At the outset I thank for your detail response.> There were some good points that I could confirm to myself.> I also have few associated queries. You may clarify them.> Following are valuable conclusions drawn from your response:> > When Mars is either in 1,4,7 or12 it has an aspect on the 7th. 7th> being the house of relationships and Mars being aggressive the> results of the combinations are as follows.> > 1. These people tend to find it difficult to manage> relationships harmoniously, if not in all their relationships> predominantly in their relationship with their spouse.> > 2. Do you think that these people tend be aggressive and> possessive in their relationships? Your Observation……> > 3. 2nd house being the house of speech, what are ur> observations with Mars in second? Do these people tend to speak> harsh or aggressive?> > 4. I understand that Mars in 8th reduces the life span of an> individual? Well, I understand that the overall reading of life span> depends on many other factors also. But What are ur observations on> Mars in 8th ?> > Astonishingly, even I have read recently that somewhere nearly 42%> of the population has kuja dosh,> That should be true because 1,2,4,7,8,12 are not good places for Mars> > That is 6 of 12 houses, now take the possibility of this placement> with Moon & Ascendant, the probability is even more> It should come to around 50%.> > Added to this 13% of women (Say couples, as men might also have> their due share) in India are childless (National Average)> > When one goes for marriage compatibility with 60% elimination, it is> getting very difficult to find suitable alliances :-))> > To share on a personal note, I have Mars in my 1st in Taurus, and> yes….i find it little (a little) difficult to manage my relations………> > I also have Venus in my 7th so a bit counter influence on the Mars> behavior….> > Thanks> Rajeev> > , Mark Kincaid> <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:>> >> Hi All,>> >> Of late i have been studying on the Mangal Dosh for Marriages.>> >> If Mars is placed in 2nd, 7th or 8th from the Moon Sign or> Ascendant>> (As few other consider it.)>> >> What are the results/indications?>> >> I posted this on this group, as i wanted to have the opinion of>> western people.>> >> I very well understand how the eastern, vedic astrology etc etc>> intreprets it.>> >> Honestly i admire some of the intrepretations done by western>> astrology scholars (without getting influenced by the indian> pattern>> of reading or intrepreting).>> >> The approach or the way/light in which this is understood in that>> part of the world.>> >> I would be thankful if memebers can share thier views.>> >> Thanks>> Rajeev>> >> >> >> Dear Rajeev:>> >> Looking at the practical examples of people with all the various> Jyotish>> configurations is the best, way to understand the rules and> principles of>> Jyotish.>> >> I have found that people with Mars especially in the lst, 4th, 7th> or 12th>> houses,>> where Mars has direct aspects.....is the most difficult for> marriage, or>> relationships.>> >> Mars in the 2nd house, being a house of family, can also be> difficult, as>> well as the 8th house>> perhaps because Mars in the 8th,...represents lots of challenges,> in>> general.>> >> One also has to look at every other aspect of a person's chart as> well as>> Mars.>> >> I know individuals who have Mars in the first, and several who> have Mars in>> Virgo in the first....>> >> Their Mars, one of especially strong, 'critical', or Virgo nature,> means>> their Marishness is of that critical nature, reflects upon> themselves....>> being in the first house,>> but also radiates into the 7th House, because each planet is> supposed to>> aspect the opposite house.>> >> I know individuals who have Mars in the 4th house, and because of> Mars'>> supposed 4th house aspect, that quality, is supposed to also> negatively>> effect the marriage house.>> >> Practical experience also shows..... Mars in the 4th, mars the 4th> house,>> home life, which makes a lot of sense, how that would disastrously> effect>> the 7th house as well.>> >> Then, there are those who have Mars directly in the 7th house.>> >> I did a chart, in the past, of a man who had Mars in the 7th, and> his 4th>> wife, was making him come and have his Jyotish, done.>> >> His first reaction was that 'they' or his wives were the real> problem.>> >> When I first heard him I heard, blame, which is a classic Mars> expression,>> and when he kept fixating on 'wives' I was pretty sure his Mars> must be>> flareing into the 7th.....>> >> What I told him, was,.... (and he had a really good Venus in it's> own Sign,>> in the 10th house)...>> to be as sweet, as appreciative of his 'wife'....as he was able to> be at>> work.>> >> He was well liked, and had very smooth and happy relationships in> his work>> or career house.>> >> He then went home and after 3 weeks called to say: 'my wife now> thinks I>> can't do anything wrong!'>> >> Which was one of my first experiences of realizing that> the 'malefics' in>> our charts, are not just symbolic of our problems.... but are often>> indicative ....of the very thing we need to do.>> >> Another person said one time,..... a lady, who had Mars in her 12th>> house,....>> when I told her she needed to get control or balance her Mars....>> >> She said: 'but it's my nature to be this way....'....>> >> And I was so surprised by her expression, but it inspired me to> say:....>> (after a few moments)...>> >> 'no,...it's not your nature.....it's..... ah..... your condition> to be that>> way'....>> >> Finally, Mars in the 12th.... is malefic of an especially> troublesome,>> overexpenditure.... fashion..>> And because Mars is also supposed to be influencing 8th houses> away....>> >> also Kuja dosh....or aspecting the 7th house....>> >> The key though, because I'm heard somewhere near 40% of the> population has>> kuja dosh,...>> the real key....to Kuja dosh....>> >> is in learning how to literally, change or transform.... one's out> of>> balance,....or poorly placed Mars.... into a more balanced....> one....>> >> When I first started studying Jyotish.... I heard a really great> expression>> from a famous Vedic Scholar, in India...>> >> He said:.... "don't take your charts seriously like they're> written in>> stone,..... they're just the state of Physiology...at birth....">> >> >> I've thought of this expression a lot over the years....and think> it speaks>> directly to the greatest need, in Jyotish....as in life...>> >> The Planets are not just about....our fates.... they're also about> our>> opportunities....>> >> Mars relates to the 'fate' of one's Mars.... but it's also about> the>> opportunity...to change one's fiery, or pitta nature...>> >> When someone goes to a doctor and gets diagnosed with high blood> pressure.>> ....>> >> Though this may be a Mars disorder.... 'blood'.... high> pressure....>> >> The doctor doesn't say, 'oh, nothing can be done'....>> >> In fact, all kinds of prescriptions are suggested.... to literally> bring>> that pressure down....>> >> If we were to go to a Jyotishee, they'd not only see that high> blood>> pressure as an over active Mars element...>> >> but the best kind of Jyotishee, then, would suggest all kinds of> Mars>> remedies.... to bring down that high blood pressure...>> >> Finally, one of the greatest insights that's coming recently into> Jyotish,>> is....the fact...our Planets can be changed....>> >> My own particular insight is that the malefics in our charts, are> not just>> symbolic of our problems, challenges or curses,....>> >> But....>> >> they're also symbolic, exactly of those planets which we're meant> to>> improve,....to grow within, their wisdom....>> >> and as a result of that.... we'll find...those planets have the>> potential...to become more sattvic, or benefic!....> balanced....and/or.....>> positive!>> >> >> hope this helps...>> >> >> Sincerely,>> >> >> >> Mark Kincaid>> >> >> >> >> >> "Rajeev Tadepalli" <Rajeev.Tadepalli@S...>>> >> Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:49:55 -0000>> >> Mangal Dosh>> >> >> Hi All,>> >> Offlate i have been studying on the Mangal Dosh for Marriages.>> >> If Mars is placed in 2nd, 7th or 8th from the Moon Sign or> Ascendant>> (As few other consider it.) What are the results/indications?>> >> I posted this on this group, as i wanted to have the opinion of>> western people.>> >> I very well understand how the eastern, vedic astrology etc etc>> intreprets it.>> >> Honestly i admire some of the intrepretations done by western>> astrology scholars (without getting influenced by the indian> pattern>> of reading or intrepreting).>> >> The approach or the way/light in which this is understood in that>> part of the world.>> >> I would be thankful if memebers can share thier views.>> >> Thanks>> Rajeev>> >> >> >> >>