Guest guest Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 Hello Mu, Poisonous people and poisonous plants are causing death when consuming them directly, BUT I know with plants if they are poisonous, like the Belladonna, they can be extremely usefull for sick people if they are prepared in a way that they can work as medicine. Is it possible for a Visha Kanya to be wholesome for certain ill minded people? People who are suffering from a horrible horoscope? Just a thought... Anne , " MuMin Bey " <mumin_bey> wrote: > Hi All, > > I've received all the responses and the like from those interested in > my quieries regarding VK, and I greatly appreciate it. I just haven't > had the time to devote to clean up my mailboxes and the like, been so > very busy out in the Real...but I wanted to post my previous writings > on VK (which orginally appeared on the Noel Tyl website, Forum > section, my own astro forum PAF and other venues), hopefully this'll > help clear things up. I'll try to respond to those who sent along > their birth data, and of course, if you have any questions, please > feel free to email me. > > Here we go... > > Salaam, > Mu > > " Poison Maidens " : Clarification and Considerations of Visha Kanya, & > Mu's Study > > Mon, Mar 1, 2004 > > Hello All, > > I see that since my request for research data, there has been > something of a misunderstanding of sorts. I take full responsibility > for the confusion. I should have handled that earlier, been much > clearer in my request and reasoning for data. > > I will attempt to clarify now. > > In the canons of Vedic Astrology, which reach back several thousands > of years in written form, are literally thousands of maxims, > obserations and commentaries on the myriad of astrological > combinations extant and their potential effects on humankind. Among > these, is the very rare and obscure combination, known as Visha > Kanya. > > The term " Visha Kanya " means " Poison Maiden " and refers to young > women who have in thier charts specific combinations that portend > early widowhood. This combination occurs when certain Naksatras (the > Moon in certain Lunar Zodiac Signs, used in Vedic Astrology) coincide > with certain days of the week (Vara) and certain Lunar Days of the > month (Tithi) in the horoscope of a female. The resulting > combination, if not mitigated by beneficial planetary caveats, is > said to bring the early death of the mate. > > In the days of yore, in India, kings and potentates would round up > such women who were identified as Visha Kanya by the court astrologer > (s) while still girls, and then we fed small, but steadily increasing > does of poison over the years. When they reached womanhood, > these " poison maidens " were thoroughly toxic and ready for use on any > potential enemy the king desired. The king would offer his enemy one > of the women from his " stable " , and before long, the enemy would fall > dead, the result of spending a night " embracing " such a woman. > > Today, of course, no such practice exists, and rightly so - but > still, there is something to be said for the presence of such > combinations in a woman's horoscope. But so too, is the need to keep > everything within context. > > In today's climate, Visha Kanya can and often does represent a woman > who still experiences early widowhood (a husband who dies before the > age of 40), as well as a heightened susceptibility to poisons, like > drugs, alcohol and so on. Additionally, eating disorders difficult to > diagnose diseases and general all around ill-health can be expected. > > In his Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra, Parasara states that a Visha > Kanya will give birth to stillborn children, and will have a diseased > organ. We can take this to mean, that Visha Kanya women will have > much more above-average difficulty bearing children; indeed they be > stillborn, or she may have to suffer several miscarriages. In these > days and times, it is quite possible that she may have had a good > number of abortions. We can also assume, in this day and age, that a > Visha Kanya woman may have above average reproductive organ > difficulties. > > Because the idea of longevity - both of the marriage (today live- in > long term relationship) and the individual spouses themselves - is > such a high priority in India, this combination is considered to be > among the most problematic. > > In today's society, where divorce is exceedingly high (and this is > becoming more and more of a reality in India as well), Visha Kanya > women may experience a higher than normal divorce rate, or in some > way, the relationships they may attempt to build " die " prematurely. > > It must be said that the sages do give specific caveats for such > conditions; this along with the very stringent qualifications for one > having Visha Kanya, makes its likelihood very rare. For example, I > have been searching all over the internet as well as in my circles > out in the real world, and to date, I only have two charts in my > database - and they only surfaced a few days ago (and I deeply, > deeply thank the owners of those two horoscopes!)! So, one need not > be too concerned with this combination, because of its rarity and > numerous caveats make it, for most of us, a non-issue. > > It is said that there are several ways in which one can identify a > Visha Kanya without the aid of a horoscope; one of those methods > employs the use of Palmistry, Astrology's " Sister Science " in India. > In fact, it is very common for a Vedic Astrologer there to inspect > your hand rather than your horoscope, for the details of the latter > are literally, in the palms of your hands. > > A Visha Kanya hand is said to be narrow and long, particularly the > fingers; the palms are whitish or yellowish in color, and the lines > very, very faint. There is also supposed to be some very deep lines > on the wrist right under the palm, where you would buckle your watch > on the underside of your wrist. Having some basic knowledge of > Palmistry, again I have not personally seen such a palm/hand. > > My reason for conducting reasearch on this phenomenon is due to my > larger research on the question of marital and relationship > compatibility potential. Vedic Astrology has several " red light > warning " signals to give the astrologer a " heads up " on a particular > horoscope and its potential to portend a blissful relationship > existence. As many who have been in a long-term relationship or > marriage knows, there is nothing more miserable in the entire world > than to be yoked to someone who makes your life a living hell. > > Another reason for my curiousity about this state of affairs - Visha > Kanya - was because in our Humanistic age, surely there had to be > ways to counterbalance its potential effects/circumstances. I have > yet to get that far though, mainly because again, finding living > examples of this combination is so very hard to begin with. > > In today's world, where the genders are more equal than they have > ever been, it has been suggested to me in email by the curious and by > my friends and colleagues, that Visha Kanya could be operative in the > lives of males. To date I have not tested this, but I intend to, as > soon as I can verify the observations of the classical and ancient > texts with regard to women. However, I can say, that I do happen to > know a male who has a very strong Visha Kanya, and he has attracted a > great number of women into his life who have taken him through all > manner of relationship and marital misery. Additionally, this man has > severe clinical depression, and has recently gone on antidepressant > drugs to stem the flow of these feelings. He is also a chain- smoker. > Though one case study in no way makes for a compelling research, it > occurs to me that perhaps many of the indications of Visha Kanya in a > woman's chart can equally apply to a man's, and in any event, the > propensity for addictive behavior and hyper-sensitive body systematic > concerns appears to be an equal-opportunity potential. > > I have also been asked as to whether this combination could operate > in the charts of Lesbians and/or Gay men - my answer, at this early > juncture, is that I do not know. Only testing this out, against the > maxims of the sages, will reveal the answers we seek. > > So, to summarize: I am conducting reasearch on an obscure, but > powerful horoscope condition called Visha Kanya, the Poison Maiden. > It is constituted by a woman being born on certain days of the week, > during a certain phase of the Moon, while the Moon itself is placed > in certain stars. In addition to its classical potential of early > widowhood and chronic infertility, we can also add to this list of > probables the potentials of hyper-sensitivity and ultra- > susceptibility to drugs, alcohol, smoking, eating disorders and any > other form of life-threatening addictive behaviors. The health > profile of such women, particularly as it relates to childbearing, is > rendered suspect. > > Any or all of these are factors that work strongly against felicity > in marital life. > > Aside from the rarity of this condition, there are several caveats > astrologically, to this state of affairs; therefore, most people need > not be alarmed or concerned. Only a handful (pardon the pun) of > people - women or men - will have this combination " in full bloom " at > any give time. It is these people I am in search of. Upon finding > such people my intention is to ascertain the veracity of the > statements of the sages, and to look into ways in which this > condition can be ameliorated. This is the way of the Humanistic > Astrologer in the 12st century. > > These are the factors I intend to investigate. > > I am hopeful that I have clarified the matter, and again I offer my > apologies to everyone that I hadn't done so sooner. > > Salaam, > Mu > > Two Very Prominent Examples of Visha Kanya - and More Observations > > Thu, Mar 4, 2004 > > In my study of Visha Kanya, which I have shared with the Forum, I > have begun to collect many private case examples. Several of them > align perfectly with the writings of the sages in the classical texts > in Vedic Astrology, and others have " fit " into the classification of > Visha Kanya by way of my " updating " the formulation of this planetary > condition. The permutations I have seen, allow for an expansion of > the principles. This, in my view, is how Astrology evolves, keeps > pace with the times, remains relevant. > > In Western Astrology, we have seen the evolution of Saturn the Great > Malefic to the concept of Saturn as necessary controls. > Peregrination, once a concept within the Middle Ages period of > Western Astrology that suggested a planet in a sign that had no > intrinsic connection to that sign, now suggests a part of the psyche > that demands recognition from all the other behaviors (planets) in > the horoscope. > > Instead of a " foriegn " sign placement, today's Peregrination is > predicated on the planet in question having no connection by way of > standard asepct to any other body. This, in my view, was pure > brilliance and genius on the part of Mr. Tyl; it demonstrated his > keen grasp of the essence of what it means for a planet to be " alien " > to the rest of the chart, and expanded the formulation of that > planetary condition, keeping in mind the psychological age that we > now live in. > He showed that the master astrologer is not the one who merely learns > rules and maxims from any book and them simply regurgitates them, but > rather, is the one that is able to get to the essence of those > concepts and expand them to meet the demands of the environment when > necessary. > > This is what I have done with Visha Kanya. > > Originally, the classics stated that the woman in question had to be > born on certain days of the week, on specific Lunar Days, with the > Moon being in certain stars. > > After much meditation on this matter, I have reworked the principle > so that, while it still remains true to its " ancestor " principles, it > has a broader application. > > So, what I've done is, instead of looking for those specific Lunar > Days, I just consider the Moon waning in its phase, losing light on > the day that the female birth occured. I still adhere, for the most > part, to the other two major ingredients for this > " recipe " , that being that the week day and star that the Moon is > placed. > > Still, I have found some " caveats " , which Vedic Astrology always has > recognized; there are always exceptions to any " rule " . > > What we're really looking at here, when considering Visha Kanya, is > the Moon in an extreme state of debility, since the main determinants > have to do with the Moon's placement, either by star, phase or day of > the week. The Malefics (yes, they are still referred to that way in > Vedic Astrology, and for good reason; more on this point > later), the character builders of the zodiac - namely Mars, Saturn > and Rahu (Moon's North Node) - have a huge impact here, just > indirectly, through the stars and days of the week that they own > rather than making direct planetary aspects to/on the Moon in the > birth chart. The phase of the Moon becomes important, both in tems of > inherent strength and as well in the fact that Vedic astrology > considers a Waning or Dark Moon to be on par with any first rate > Malefic. > > Additionally, since the Moon has an increased " say " in the life of > women, this condition is considered even more of a problematic state > of affairs for any woman born when such celestial conditions are > extant. In any event, Visha Kanya is yet another example of the way > in which planetary connections can be formed in Vedic Astrology, > through something as simple as a calendar connection. > > The following are two very prominent examples of what I like to call > variants, or " functional " Visha Kanya: > > 1. Jacqueline Kennedy Onasis - Born on Sunday, on a Waning Moon, with > the Moon in Sidereal Aries. Actually, this combination calls for the > Moon to be in the Naksatra (Lunar Zodiac sign used in Jyotish; there > is no equivalent in Western astrology) Bharani - but Jackie O's Moon > falls in the star right before it, Asvini. This star is ruled by > Ketu, the Moon's South Node, known in Vedic astrology as one half of > the serpent demonlike being who tried to steal the nectar of > immortality. Additionally, this Moon is what is known as Gandanta, > being right at the beginning of a Fire Sign > (much more complex than I'm making it sound, more on this later). We > can add in the fact that, in her natal chart, the Moon is placed in > the 7th House, and is conjunct Rahu, the Moon's North Node. Among > other things, the classical texts state that Rahu in the 7th House > can bring about separations from the spouse, up to and including > death. The confluence of factors, speak for themselves in Jackie O's > life - she was widowed - twice. > > 2. Princess Diana - Born on Saturday, on a Waning Moon, with the Moon > in Dhanista (a Naksatra that falls in Sidereal Aquarius). Although > for this combination, Satabisha, the star that follows Dhanista in > the Sidereal sign of Aquarius, should be the preferred star, again we > can expand the classical principle of Visha Kanya when other factors > satisfy the formation of this combination and when the reality fits. > Everyone knows of Diana's marriage, its beginning, decline and end, > as well as her affair with Dodi Al-Fayed. While the former > union " died " in the sense that she > divorced Prince Charles, in the latter case, Visha Kanya here > definitely played a role in the death of Al-Fayed. It has been widely > rumored that, had they live, Diana and Dodi would have married. In > that they were very much involved with each other, we can agai expand > the principle to include " close boyfriends " along with husbands. > > Also, we have to consider the fact that Diana yet again met the > conditions of Visha Kanya in light of the fact that she had a long > bout with the eating disorder bulemia. > > Finally, Diana's Moon in Dhanista in and of itself could suggest > marital difficulty, as this is a star that is notorious for marital > strife. Its rulership by Mars and it being placed in a sign of > Saturn, could explain why this star is so very difficult in this > regard. > > I'm working on finding more prominent examples of Visha Kanya, both > female and male, as well as working on how Visha Kanya gets activated > in terms of timing in the horoscope. And, of course, I have plans > towards finding ways of remediating such conditions. > > Thanks to the Forum for your continued interest. > > Salaam, > Mu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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