2- Robin & Bettina & all, Mark Kincaid 8/5 re.....Mars & shyness & aggression...

[Guest guest]

Dear Robin, friends & All:

 

Don't forget, it's also important to look at the Sun, Rising Signs, and

especially the Moon's when trying to explain quietness.....

 

I have Mars in my 10th House, and have enjoyed...a kind of dynamic side of

myself...

 

But, though Mars is very dominant, like in the first or 7th houses, because

of my Moon in the 12th house, with Saturn, too, and only one house away from

my Sun in the 11th....

 

I also experience a deep kind of 'inwardness', and even shyness, that a

strong dominant Mars, doesn't completely explain.

 

I also know a friend who has Mars in her first house, and she too, is very

shy. Her shyness, is because her Moon's with her Saturn in her 11th House,

and she's often been able to tell me,

she understands why her Mars is uncomfortable in her first house, because

she does go 'too fast' sometimes, and can get upset or irritable fairly

easily.

 

Like Bettina has said before, it's very important to look at all the

different aspects of our charts.

 

We have to study each part of our charts, individually, one at a time,

but...

we need to stop and let them all go, and spontaneously, embrace all of them,

together....

at some point...

 

 

ciao

 

 

 

Mark K.

 

 

 

> " Bettina " <chiria

>

> Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:10:37 -0700

>

> RE: Re: 2- Rajeev, > Mark Kincaid 8/3...re..... To

> Mark from Rajeev on Kuja Dosha

>

> Robin ...

>

> I have a relatively new friend (I've known her for about 10 mos. now). She

> has Mars smack dab on asc in Virgo along with Neptune. Mars is a wide

> square to Mercury. From what I've seen of her, she's very quiet, very

> intelligent. She teaches 3rd grade. She's into metaphyshics (she's Navajo

> and I think that has much to do with her spiritual background). She doesn't

> seem Mars-like at all to me.

>

> However, she's never married (she's in her mid-fifties). She's tremendously

> independent. Perhaps that's what Mars in asc in female chart means. You

> sound independent, too.

>

> Anyhow, welcome to the group!

>

>

> ... Bettina

>

>

>

>

> Robin Welch [AiiluroTangent]

> Thursday, August 05, 2004 12:07 PM

>

> Re: 2- Rajeev, > Mark Kincaid 8/3...re.....

> To Mark from Rajeev on Kuja Dosha

>

>

> Hi, all,

>

> Am new in this group & facinated with the Mars discussion.

> I have Mars in Aquarius in ASC aspected loosely by Moon and

> tightly by Ketu; have any of you read James Braha's books? In one

> he talked about a woman who had Mars in first--he said he would have

> expected her to be aggressive but she was one of the gentlest people

> he knew. I can identify, can't stand aggressiveness --I think Ketu

> burned that out of Mars. But, I have to have lots of physical

> activity or it adversely affects health (moon as 6th ruler?). Had a

> desk job before and am much happier with an active one! (I am

> female, BTW, and am a rural mail carrier now) Also, Mars in first is

> a good one for females --read that it makes one look younger than

> their age, and I have been told that a lot.

> I have heard that 2 people with Mars Dosha should marry. But I

> don't think it really cancels out. Actually, look at your own 7th

> house its ruler & navamsa and Venus. I have my 7th ruler Sun

> conjunct Rahu, and aspected by Saturn; and Saturn is tightly

> conjunct Venus. (Venus sub-periods are tough! I learned to work

> really really hard to get the good out of 'em) Also a debilitated

> Moon in my 7th in navamsa. Whereas my 5th ruler Mercury is aspected

> by Jupiter; so, even with Ketu in 5th, well, let's put it like

> this: dating a man will give me no clue as to what kind of married

> life we'll have. (sounds of jail doors slamming) (Honeymoon is OVER)

> I should just date. Of course if I'd known years ago...

> One other thing, what do you think?: probably better not to

> have the other person's ASC lord as your MMP.

> One book had some clues on what house relationship your ASC

> ruler & your 7th house ruler has, and your prospective partner's

> also. If your prospective partner had Mars and Saturn aspecting

> his/her 7th, say, and the 7th lord in a dustana, it may be quite a

> different life than the 7th receiving Jupiter and Venus aspects.

> A book I read by a Mr Joshi said that love marriages don't need

> all the astrological compatibility work (i think he was talking

> about kuta, yoni, etc--all the really complicated things), but what

> Mr. Braha wrote in his latest book , The Art and Practice of Ancient

> Hindu Astrology, was so accurate it had my jaw dropping!

> I loved that about telling the guy with Venus in tenth to be

> sweet...you know, one of the Gabor sisters said that men love with

> their eyes, and women love with their ears. Harsh speech is a

> definite romance killer to a woman. Would you want your lady's face

> to have a hideous expression toward you? Ears and eyes, remember?

> And sweet speech is hard to resist.

>

> Robin

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ALL,

 

That must be because of Saturn 3rd aspect to Mars.When

ever saturn aspects any planet ,it destroys that

planets qualities and implants his own.That's shyness

comes from saturn's aspect to Mars.

 

 

 

--- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote:

 

 

Dear Robin, friends & All:

 

Don't forget, it's also important to look at the Sun,

Rising Signs, and

especially the Moon's when trying to explain

quietness.....

 

I have Mars in my 10th House, and have enjoyed...a

kind of dynamic side of

myself...

 

But, though Mars is very dominant, like in the first

or 7th houses, because

of my Moon in the 12th house, with Saturn, too, and

only one house away from

my Sun in the 11th....

 

I also experience a deep kind of 'inwardness', and

even shyness, that a

strong dominant Mars, doesn't completely explain.

 

I also know a friend who has Mars in her first house,

and she too, is very

shy. Her shyness, is because her Moon's with her

Saturn in her 11th House,

and she's often been able to tell me,

she understands why her Mars is uncomfortable in her

first house, because

she does go 'too fast' sometimes, and can get upset or

irritable fairly

easily.

 

Like Bettina has said before, it's very important to

look at all the

different aspects of our charts.

 

We have to study each part of our charts,

individually, one at a time,

but...

we need to stop and let them all go, and

spontaneously, embrace all of them,

together....

at some point...

 

 

ciao

 

 

 

Mark K.

 

 

 

 

=====

" Life is a sleep, love is its dream; And you'll have lived if you've loved "

 

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[Guest guest]

I don't totally agree. Saturn can have a tempering effect on the planets

that it aspects, particularly if it's in a good sign. Take an aspect from

Saturn to Mars, for example. Mars is exalted in Saturn's sign, Capricorn,

and Saturn disciplines Mars. The result can be an affinity for hard work

and self control. Mars by itself is often impulsive and taken to extremes,

aggressive. Saturn gives it direction. Mars, on the other hand, does not

have a good effect on Saturn. Mars simply frustrates Saturn, often resulting

in anger and hostility. Mars is an enemy to Saturn, but Saturn is neutral to

Mars. Saturn is not always the bugbear we make it out to be. At it's best

it's a disciplinarian and a temperer. It's karmic sandpaper.

 

Let's take a look at Saturn when combined with some of the other planets.

In aspect to Jupiter, it keeps that planet from being too blown up, too

given to aggrandizement and limitlessness. Saturn/Jupiter aspects often

show up in the charts of deeply spiritual or philosophical people. Combined

with Venus, it makes for loyalty and the ability to put up with adversity in

relationships (and there always will be adversity in relationships, esp. the

big ones like marriage!). You won't find flibbertigibbets (sp?) with good

Saturn/Venus combinations! Combined with Mercury it can indicate a well

organized person. I've known many secretaries with that combination. In

rare cases there may even be brilliant thinkers with this (eg Einstein).

 

When I think of Saturn, that word that's been so overused in politics for

the last few years comes to mind: " gravitas " . It keeps the other planets

from flying away. It can be disasterous, depending on sign, house

placement, and house rulership, but it can also bring out the best in the

planets it aspects.

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

Shripal [askvbnet]

Thursday, August 05, 2004 11:34 PM

 

Re: 2- Robin & Bettina & all, > Mark Kincaid

8/5 re.....Mars & shyness & aggression...

 

 

Hi ALL,

 

That must be because of Saturn 3rd aspect to Mars.When

ever saturn aspects any planet ,it destroys that

planets qualities and implants his own.That's shyness

comes from saturn's aspect to Mars.

 

 

 

--- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote:

 

 

Dear Robin, friends & All:

 

Don't forget, it's also important to look at the Sun,

Rising Signs, and

especially the Moon's when trying to explain

quietness.....

 

I have Mars in my 10th House, and have enjoyed...a

kind of dynamic side of

myself...

 

But, though Mars is very dominant, like in the first

or 7th houses, because

of my Moon in the 12th house, with Saturn, too, and

only one house away from

my Sun in the 11th....

 

I also experience a deep kind of 'inwardness', and

even shyness, that a

strong dominant Mars, doesn't completely explain.

 

I also know a friend who has Mars in her first house,

and she too, is very

shy. Her shyness, is because her Moon's with her

Saturn in her 11th House,

and she's often been able to tell me,

she understands why her Mars is uncomfortable in her

first house, because

she does go 'too fast' sometimes, and can get upset or

irritable fairly

easily.

 

Like Bettina has said before, it's very important to

look at all the

different aspects of our charts.

 

We have to study each part of our charts,

individually, one at a time,

but...

we need to stop and let them all go, and

spontaneously, embrace all of them,

together....

at some point...

 

 

ciao

 

 

 

Mark K.

 

 

 

 

=====

" Life is a sleep, love is its dream; And you'll have lived if you've loved "

 

______________________

India Matrimony: Find your life partner online

Go to: http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony