2-Therese, & All, Mark Kincaid.... Astrology and Mysticism 10/23....

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DEAR Members:

 

Here's an interesting discussion about 'Astrology and mysticism' or consciousness.

 

enjoy

 

 

Mark K.

 

 

 

 

 

Mark:

>I think one of the greatest things that could happen in the near future, is

>to move 'Astrology' towards a really true and functioning, modern science of

>Astrology.

......I'll agree to that.

Therese

 

 

DEAR THERESE:

 

And we're all doing that.

 

The more we personally, 'revive' Astrology, and make it more relevant, for modern life, the more it emerges out of the vague, mists of it's ancient past.

 

Personally, I don't care whether the texts are accurate or archaic.

 

What matters to me is that our charts, fit us.

 

After doing Jyotish, now for over 16 years, the thing that constantly amazes me is that people's charts......really do fit them.

 

And this mean's there's some great insight and wisdom there in our charts....to help us, all.

 

That's also why I like looking at the Best of West & East...

 

Eastern may have the better calculations, but as you said, below, the Western system has had a much more practical take on utilizing Astrology for very important Psychological reasons.

 

The other thing that's very profound in 'Western' mind-set is the belief that life is progressive, and evolutionary and our Chart's are also indicative of our ability to grow, to expand, and to even change our Stars!

 

Eastern on the other hand, though it's mechanical calculations re. the charts seems more accurate, they have many other problems which I think need to be worked out.

 

The #1, one, is that India, itslef, has fallend into a terrible, 'funk' regarding renunciation, and impractical Philosophys. Many of the new, avant-gard Yogis and Gurus coming out of India, over the last 50 years have given expression to this fact and the importance that all Vedic Knowledge be revised, updated and transformed.

 

The biggest change I see, is that Ved is beginning to be experienced with it's more true, progressive and evolutionary bent.

 

I mean things like Ayurved already get it.

 

You go to an Ayurved doctor and he feels your pulse, and says, 'ahhhhhh, your pitta has invaded your kapha space, ....and that's why you have high blood pressure.'

 

All manners of prescriptions and things to do, are then given, to bring the blood pressure down, by balancing the vata, pitta and kapha, energies in the body.

 

Jyotishees, or Astrologers need to have the same, 'fix-it' mentality.

 

If that same person was to come to an Astrologer, 'he' should be able to find the pitta, 'Mars' reason why high blood pressure is going on...

and if there's anything I've learned about Jyotish, it's that it truely represents the Psychology of the person.

 

So, the Jyotishee might say, 'yes, you're doing all these things from the Ayurved angle, now, do this and that to balance your Mars, within!'......

 

And finally, in regards to 'mysticism'.... there's such a fascinating renewal, also going on regarding 'consciousness' today.

 

I've even heard it be said, that .....'all the hymns of the ved, are useless, unless the source of the Ved is known.....'

 

This means that 'he' who resides in pure consciousness, the hymns of the Ved, 'ring' out to him/her.... and then, have their real, proper uplifting effects.

 

It's been my great fortune having grown up in the consciousness, meditation, field, that then, later, studying Jyotish, .... I look at it through the eyes, of growth, and improvement.

 

I've even heard it 'said' ...... " don't take your charts like their written in stone, they're just the state of your Physiology at birth..... " *

 

Now, I understand this. Our charts aren't our conslusions....they're just our beginnings..

and being our beginnings....we're here, free, to grow in whatever ways we'd like....

 

The fact that 'we'd like' to grow in the intimate, ways of our charts.....is probably a good thing...

 

but the fact that we're here to grow and improve....

needs to be much more understood, especially by the static, fate oriented mindset of too many of the Easterners.....

 

 

 

Nice talking with you.

 

 

 

Ciao

 

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

ps... oh yes,..... one more thing.... about why don't mystics study Astrology more, I think they not have been so prevalent, because they come from two very different angles...

 

Astrology has been so wrapped up in 'intellect'.....learning this and that rule,....whereas

So much of 'mysticism' or consciousness, so automatically comes from such a deeper point, beyond the intellect....

 

but it's also been said that " knowledge and experience " ...both together....make for a very rich and complete wisdom.

 

And that's been my experience as well.....

 

Astrology is very satisfying intellectually,....but consciousness is very satisfying.... emotionally, and in terms of the heart....

 

both together...are very satisfying....

 

 

 

 

 

Mark Kincaid....

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Nature's Astrology: 'Best of West & East'.....

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Therese Hamilton <eastwest

 

Fri, 22 Oct 2004 21:36:55 -0700

 

Re: Astrology and Mysticism

 

 

At 02:18 PM 10/21/04 -0500, Mark wrote:

>In fact, in the Vedic tradition, which is the ultimate authority for Eastern

>Astrology or Jyotish, all of the principles, rules and ideas are due to the

>'consciousness cognitions' of vedic Seers, who were purported to be able to

>see into the nature of Being, and cognize, directly the truths of the ved.

That's the word, Mark, and I used to believe it. But after studying the

translations of Project Hindshight (Robert Schmidt) and Arhat (Rob Hand),

it's obvious (to me and many others) that those old Vedic astrological

texts are poor translations of Hellenistic and Arabic texts. Except for the

nakshatras and Nadi texts. Their origin seems to be from deepest, ancient

India.

The Vedas themselves were inspired, however, but not horoscopic astrology.

>I think one of the greatest things that could happen in the near future, is

>to move 'Astrology' towards a really true and functioning, modern science of

>Astrology.

I'll agree to that.

Therese

 

 

 

" How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " -----

 

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