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Dear Mark,

 

It is my opinion that your observations on Jyotish are profound--comparing

the Jyotishee to the Vidja (Ayruvedic Doctor) is so wise, and what you wrote

 

>Our charts aren't our conslusions....they're just >our beginnings..

 

is surely destined to become a common saying. Learning jyotish/astrology

through the " training " to feel the energies of the planets destined to

become the teaching method of the future. Namaste to your wisdom and

original insights.

 

Sharalyn

 

 

 

on 24/10/04 2:28 AM, at

wrote:

 

>

>

> DEAR THERESE:

>

> And we're all doing that.

>

> The more we personally, 'revive' Astrology, and make it more relevant, for

> modern life, the more it emerges out of the vague, mists of it's ancient

> past.

>

> Personally, I don't care whether the texts are accurate or archaic.

>

> What matters to me is that our charts, fit us.

>

> After doing Jyotish, now for over 16 years, the thing that constantly amazes

> me is that people's charts......really do fit them.

>

> And this mean's there's some great insight and wisdom there in our

> charts....to help us, all.

>

> That's also why I like looking at the Best of West & East...

>

> Eastern may have the better calculations, but as you said, below, the

> Western system has had a much more practical take on utilizing Astrology for

> very important Psychological reasons.

>

> The other thing that's very profound in 'Western' mind-set is the belief

> that life is progressive, and evolutionary and our Chart's are also

> indicative of our ability to grow, to expand, and to even change our Stars!

>

> Eastern on the other hand, though it's mechanical calculations re. the

> charts seems more accurate, they have many other problems which I think need

> to be worked out.

>

> The #1, one, is that India, itslef, has fallend into a terrible, 'funk'

> regarding renunciation, and impractical Philosophys. Many of the new,

> avant-gard Yogis and Gurus coming out of India, over the last 50 years have

> given expression to this fact and the importance that all Vedic Knowledge be

> revised, updated and transformed.

>

> The biggest change I see, is that Ved is beginning to be experienced with

> it's more true, progressive and evolutionary bent.

>

> I mean things like Ayurved already get it.

>

> You go to an Ayurved doctor and he feels your pulse, and says, 'ahhhhhh,

> your pitta has invaded your kapha space, ....and that's why you have high

> blood pressure.'

>

> All manners of prescriptions and things to do, are then given, to bring the

> blood pressure down, by balancing the vata, pitta and kapha, energies in the

> body.

>

> Jyotishees, or Astrologers need to have the same, 'fix-it' mentality.

>

> If that same person was to come to an Astrologer, 'he' should be able to

> find the pitta, 'Mars' reason why high blood pressure is going on...

> and if there's anything I've learned about Jyotish, it's that it truely

> represents the Psychology of the person.

>

> So, the Jyotishee might say, 'yes, you're doing all these things from the

> Ayurved angle, now, do this and that to balance your Mars, within!'......

>

> And finally, in regards to 'mysticism'.... there's such a fascinating

> renewal, also going on regarding 'consciousness' today.

>

> I've even heard it be said, that .....'all the hymns of the ved, are

> useless, unless the source of the Ved is known.....'

>

> This means that 'he' who resides in pure consciousness, the hymns of the

> Ved, 'ring' out to him/her.... and then, have their real, proper uplifting

> effects.

>

> It's been my great fortune having grown up in the consciousness, meditation,

> field, that then, later, studying Jyotish, .... I look at it through the

> eyes, of growth, and improvement.

>

> I've even heard it 'said' ...... " don't take your charts like their written

> in stone, they're just the state of your Physiology at birth..... " *

>

> Now, I understand this. Our charts aren't our conslusions....they're just

> our beginnings..

> and being our beginnings....we're here, free, to grow in whatever ways we'd

> like....

>

> The fact that 'we'd like' to grow in the intimate, ways of our charts.....is

> probably a good thing...

>

> but the fact that we're here to grow and improve....

> needs to be much more understood, especially by the static, fate oriented

> mindset of too many of the Easterners.....

>

>

>

> Nice talking with you.

>

>

>

> Ciao

>

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

> ps... oh yes,..... one more thing.... about why don't mystics study

> Astrology more, I think they not have been so prevalent, because they come

> from two very different angles...

>

> Astrology has been so wrapped up in 'intellect'.....learning this and that

> rule,....whereas

> So much of 'mysticism' or consciousness, so automatically comes from such a

> deeper point, beyond the intellect....

>

> but it's also been said that " knowledge and experience " ...both

> together....make for a very rich and complete wisdom.

>

> And that's been my experience as well.....

>

> Astrology is very satisfying intellectually,....but consciousness is very

> satisfying.... emotionally, and in terms of the heart....

>

> both together...are very satisfying....

>

>

>

>

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