2-Vinita, re. Q How to dissolve the confusion or tension of malefic planets?, Mark Kincaid , 3/6

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Dear Vinita:

 

Good points!

 

Please see below:

 

" vinita kumar " <shankar_mamta

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Sun, 06 Mar 2005 11:12:07 -0000

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[vedic astrology] Re: 2-Shripal, Q How to dissolve the confusion or tension of malefic planets?, > Mark Kincaid , 3/5 continuation

 

 

 

Hi,

 

Just felt like joining this thread though it is already quite long....

 

I read your mail on another forum regarding the malefic nature of

planets and felt like commenting that nearly all my planets must be

malefic the way you have described " malefic nature " . But strangely

enough, I too am not fighting with myself too much now and am

strangely at peace with myself.

 

This one expression here of yours shows that it's indeed possible to change our Stars!

 

We can 'do it' even if we don't have Jyotish's helps.

 

One reason for this that I can think of is the grace of my Guru.

 

Now this is another great reason. Though I firmly believe that even the Guru and God, himself, don't just do things for us. We have to earn them, and then like a huge reservoir that's always there, when we learn to release the water, then, it can flow!

 

Guru, Jupiter, too, is a bondefide Vedic remedy, in fact I believe, all the things we do in Jyotish, Ayurved, wisdom from teachers, our parents, all these things are ruled by Jupiter...

 

So, gaining the unbounded grace of 'Jupiter' is a great remedy!

 

The other reason I wonder (and this struck me after reading this

mail) is whether the strength of Upachaya houses has something to do

with gaining some kind of a control over one's life, specially in the

later years.

 

Yes, there's something to do with this, too.

 

But, unfortunately, more often then not, people in the Jyotish don't give enough credit

to the possibility of being able to change really anything.

 

My own Guru has said that the extent to which one learns how to tap, that unbounded field of pure consciousness, within, for human life, all things become truely possible....

 

from being able to fulfill a desire, to even more mystical visions of turning water into wine!

 

What the 3 of us share (and I am sure there must be many more like us

who have similar planetary conjunctions) is the " crowding " of planets

in one house. For the two of you it is in the 11th House. For me it

is in the 2nd House (Jupiter, Sun, Mercury and Ketu... and Uranus

too, I think).In fact with Rahu and Mars in direct opposition in 8th

house the din and confusion of the " quarells " was too much at times.

But then I feel that my Upachaya houses have helped me (saturn in 6th

and moon and Venus in 3rd for Taurus Lagna).

 

Don't forget it's not that it's your Upachaya houses that have helped you,....

 

it's You, who have helped you...

 

What is the old expression? " Where there is the will, there is the way! "

 

I firmly believe that, and as I get more and more balanced, each day, even more and more...

 

things are becoming possible!

 

Before Jyotish I had learned to meditate, and one of the goals of meditation is the inner development of one's consciousness...

 

This, too is a great field of Ved, and yet, even after many years there were many aspects of my life that were still frustrating me!

 

Then, when I discovered Jyotish, I became aware that everything that was still clinging on to me, ... were interestingly enough, focused on the very malefics in my chart.

 

So, I thought, I wonder if one of Jyotish's great purposes is to transform ourselves through a better understanding and resolution of those issues...

 

And, that was the beginning of my own particular insight and transformation in Jyotish...

 

So my question to you Mark is this. Do you think that developing a

conciousness about " oneself " may have something to do with planetary

conflicts in the first place and distancing oneself from these

conflicts to reach some measure of " peace " may have something to do

with the strenght of Upachaya houses???

 

Perhaps.... I think the tendency to be drawn to meditation or developing one's consciousness,

vs. someone who has a more primary interest in the affairs of the world, for example, are indeed there, an intimate part of our planetary configurations...

 

But, I don't know what you mean about that tendency to develop oneself as being related to the planetary conflicts?

 

I believe it's a natural phenomena to be attracted to the inner, and especially to consciousness.

 

However, I have found that those who are quote: 'on the path', have a lot of those tendencies, either due to Jupiter and/or even Saturn configurations.

 

But, interest in spiritual or consciousness matters don't have to be due to conflicts in our stars.

 

I'll give you an example.

 

In my chart I have one of my strengths, Jupiter in Pisces fully aspecting my Moon which is in my 12th house, and with Saturn.

 

Now, that aspect of Jupiter alone could have been enough to encourage me to develop myself spirituality, and it's aspect is certainly a benefic one.

 

However, I also simultaneously had this other aspect of Moon being with Saturn in the 12th house, which was a very powerful, negative, or malefic part of my chart...

 

And it resulted in me not liking to go too bed on time, staying up too late, was very common thing for me, and as a result I suffered many problems with the Moon and even physical health.

 

But, Jupiter's aspect did allow me finally to work through that strange malefic configuration and finally learn how to change my habits associated with those negatives, and as a result of my experiences I'm firmly convinced if I could learn to accomplish that, I know others can do the same!... hehhe

 

 

Vinita

 

 

Take care,

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-- In vedic astrology , Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...>

wrote:

> Hi Mark,

>

> Well said agian.Let's move further ahead,my vision is

> getting more clearer discussing with you.

>

> Let's take my chart for example...

>

> Shripal....

>

>

>

>

> Dear Shripal....

>

> Okay!,.... we're on a roll!

> hehe

>

> See below:

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi Mark,

>

> Well said agian.Let's move further ahead,my vision is

> getting more clearer discussing with you.

>

> Let's take my chart for example as I will be able to

> tell my experience very well.

> DOB:16th March 1980

> Place:Rajkot

> Time:21:00hrs.

>

> 1)Libra rising,Mars+Jupiter+Saturn+Rahu in 11th

> house,opposed by Ketu+Mercury.

>

> As I am having a conjuction in my chart of Mer+Ketu

> and Currently runing Mer-Ketu dasa, I wil predict as,

> my ideas are well ahead of time.I have to currently

> support it all alone.They are from very well fertile

> mind, expecting no returns.People will follow them

> When i will stop talking about that.I will sometime

> little frustrated and aloof from others.

>

> So I am experiencing peak of my conjuction

> currently.when ever Moon hovers or opposes, I am too

> much inner,than outward.

>

> Don't think of it as being 'too inner'.... think of it as being

inner!

>

> With your Moon in your chart, in Pisces, with your Sun, in other

words, a

> New Moon,

> you should find the transits, very important to you.

>

> And when the " Moon's hovering here or there', as you said, then,

you should

> learn...

>

> to be more in-tune with all that!

>

> Even if you want to be outward

> knowing all this things,you just cannot be that.

>

> People strain all the time, against what they what's going on in

their

> bodies, hearts,

> and souls...

>

> Jyotish has taught me how to perceive really what needs to be

done...

>

> And doing 'that', then, life got immediately better, more

effortless, and

> successful!

>

> But

> inner means I am not depressed.But happy withing

> myself,beacuse I know.I like to remember good times of

> past and smile with that and feel a little frustrated as

> currently I cannot experience a same.

>

> When you're feeling to be inner, let yourself be inner, have a

blast being

> inner,...

> go with it...

>

> And let go of any illusion, or mistake of intellect that you're

being lazy,

> or no-good,

> because you're being inner.....

>

> We aren't taught the importance of the inner, in this World...

>

> We're taught to go,go,go!

>

> And, not to pause, to rest, rejuvenate, or transform....

>

> So, we will have many tapes in our hearts and minds, associate with

being

> inner,...

>

> But, meditating since 1970, has taught me a whole world of

appreciation

> about the value,

> the joys and the incredible 'worth'....of that 'inner'....

>

> Now, I go forth, happily, joyously....when the time for the inner

comes!

>

> I let life, my body, my mind, my dasas!, hehe,... even the

transits, tell me

> when it's time to go

> in, and when it's time to go out....

>

> Jyotish has helped to re-claim a whole world of naturalness, that

otherwise,

> gets overshadowed and lost!

>

> I wonder sometime,As I am able to put into words all

> that I am able to experience because of

> Mars+Sat+Rah+Jup opposing Mercury. Am I going right?

>

> re-read above...

>

> and the importance of being able to 'read', ... inside of

yourself,...

>

> what is needed?

>

> Do I feel find?

> Do I feel the need to rest?

>

> Am I feeling aggitated? angry?, worried?, sad?, happy?

>

> Reflect!

>

> Identify,....'that'....

>

> And then, especially if we identify a malefic situation,...

> then, deal with 'that'....

>

> If we're tired, then, ... rest...

>

> If we're angry, where is it coming from?

>

> Is it due to Mars, out there in the transits?

> Is it due to Mars, in our dasas?

> Is it due to Mars, inside, my Physiology? or in my chart?

>

> Finding where the malefic block or obstacle is,...is key....

>

> Then, we heal that!

>

> We release the bad energy....

>

> We shed the light of life, upon that block of darkness!

>

> And, then, correcting that....having brought the light!

>

> We live in the light!

>

> And then, all goes well!

>

> Once we've balanced ourselves,.... and the darkness, of our

malefics... have

> been replaced

> by the literal, 'light' of .....LIFE!......

>

> Then, we're found living our lives, ...and all is going well...

>

>

>

> Mr. Mark.These opposing planets always fight to come

> out with better next time.You want to be known by

> other's isn't it.AS this was my first part.

>

> Learning how to dissolve this 'fight', this tension, between these

warring,

> fighting, or

> opposing planets is one such battle of confusion, or darkness....

>

> One of mine was I had Sun, Mercury, Venus, & Ketu all in Leo, in my

11th,

> Libra Rising...

>

> And until I discovered how to dissolve the tensions that were

there, there

> was a major block

> in my life...,too

>

> Your 'opposing planets' there, in Leo, remind me of my battle...

>

> Describe to me, more detail as to the nature of the 'fight', and

what you

> feel are the confusions.

>

> Once you begin laying out the battle, the confusions,...

> you then, can bring the light,...

>

> and once the light is brought,...then the confusion, due to the

darkness of

> that inner tension, can be released!

>

>

> Second part

> 1)Mar+sat+rah+jup conjuction in Leo.Know sometimes

> because of Transit and Mahadasa involvement,I feel

> Saturn is strong,sometimes Mars,sometime Jupiter and

> suddenly something happend, yes Rahu is also there,

> that makes me feel,all of them act both ways benefic

> and malefic too.So How I should able to make a general

> staement out of these 4 planes which one is strongest

> and all the time influential.Yes one thing I can say

> not too malefic, as I am not getting too angry or

> having bad habits in life.

>

> Very good. You're beginning to sort this out...

>

> Each planet represents a part of us, that is either healthy,

balanced, ...or

> not...

>

> Jyotish helps us understand the nature of balance and health

planets...

>

> Planets over there, are good, because they're in their own sign,

exalted,

> friendly signs,

> or good houses...

>

> Planets not in their own signs, or even friendly signs, in un-

healthy

> houses, or conjunct with

> other malefic influences....

>

> are the problems!

>

> Learning to release the tension, and the confusion that may be

there due to

> their close proximity is a natural and inevitable part of your

Jyotish...

>

> One of the things I did with all my planets in Leo, was I ...threw

up my

> hands one day, and said, " Okay, you guys,...go into that, time out

room, and

> sort it out! "

>

> Then I watched them, sheepishly go into some room,...and begin

talking,

> converseing, yelling, being bratty, doing their thing,....

>

> and then, I watched as the wisdom of Jyotish, came forth,...and

they all

> knew the truth,... and

> as they complained, I noticed, a part of me, comforted them, and

geared them

> towards self-enquiry...and then, wisdom...

>

> For, me, one of the issues was sooooo much leo...

>

> And Jyotish has taught me that only one of those planets really

loves being

> in Leo...

>

> Venus in Leo for example, is too selfish in terms of love, Mercury

in Leo,

> is too rigid in it's thinking patterns...because of it's placement

in Leo...

>

> The Sun is in fact, the only entity that is supposed to be there....

>

> Then, there was the tension of being too close together...

>

> Sun was at 18 degrees, and Venus was only 16 degrees, and Ketu was

also 16

> degrees, and Mercury was only at 10 degrees!

>

> So, major combustion going on, and on top of that, both Mercury and

Venus

> were retrograde...

>

> It took me awhile, to sort these tensions, this battle out....

>

> But, eventually I realized I could keep the Sun in Leo,...

> but release the others to find their more happy, natural

dispositions...

>

> focusing on giving,....has been of vital importance to me...

>

> that, and not being rigid with my points of view, has helped a

lot...

>

> and not letting the Sun,....dwarf out the other important

planets, ...helped

> with the combustion!

>

> Sooooo, you need to figure out the battle that's there...

>

> What is the tension between Saturn & Jupiter?

>

> What is the result of Mars in Leo, in Saturn & Jupiter in Leo....

>

> good luck!

>

> Will be fun to hear your thoughts...

>

>

>

> What do you say MARK about this.

>

>

> enjoy!

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

> Reading this once, then re-read it again...then, let the ideas

settle in....

> and percolate...

> hehehe

>

> ciao!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> --- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

>

> > Hi Mark,

> >

> > Very Well said,It is always nice to hear from you.

> >

> > Now as a individual you have explained it very wll/

> >

> > But what about traits that you expreience because of

> > other planets influences.for example

> >

> > 1)Saturn + Moon: So Moon is getting afflicted by

> > Saturn.So indidual is going to be too emotional in

> > nature and may be remaining tense lots of time.But

> > same conjuct may be bringing him a lot of money

> > from

> > mother side etc.So Moon is malefic or benefic.

> >

> > 2)Venus + Moon :A person of very caring nature and

> > sweet spoken and nice with every one.Who doesn't

> > want

> > to fight with any one etc.Even this conjuct bring

> > lots

> > of money.But he will be passive in sexual matters

> > and

> > very girly kind.Cannot take decision on spot and

> > because of that may loose money or may loose someone

> > important of his life.So Who is malefic andWho is

> > benefic and reason for a same.

> >

> > I want answer for this.Still more to

> > Come......................

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Shripal:

> >

> > Very good, advanced question. Many people

> > understand the basics.

> > Planets act malefically if they're ruling,

> > generally, 6th, 8th & 12th

> > houses.

> > Other times, certain planets act malefically if

> > they're in their 'poor' or

> > debilitated

> > houses.

> >

> > Your question...about Moon & Saturn being together,

> > brings up another level

> > of question.

> >

> > Moon almost always acts benefically, unless it's in

> > Scorpio, so generally,

> > when with Saturn

> > it's of course, Saturn that'll probably be acting

> > malefically.

> >

> > In my experience of Moon & Saturn together, in the

> > 12th house, you can

> > really sense it.

> > Saturn's lord of my 5th & 4th, so that lordship is a

> > 12th house loss, but

> > even Sani in the

> > 12th is challenging.

> >

> > But, Moon, too is acting 'weak' may be a better way

> > of saying it, because

> > it's the 10th house

> > lord in the 12th... and the quality of loss, of the

> > 12th house is involved

> > with the Moon too.

> > So, for much of my early life, I was devoid, or

> > empty, or at loss, of the

> > naturally positive

> > sides of the Moon, shy, unhappy, lonely, poor

> > memory, and lack of intuition.

> >

> > Though the size being only 1 house away from my Sun

> > in the 11th, may have

> > also been responsible

> > for that.

> >

> > Also, in my experience, it's helped me, learning how

> > to simultaneously

> > strenghthen both Sani, and

> > the Moon....

> >

> > From both angles we can learn to strengthen,... but

> > certainly, leaning

> > towards improving any of the

> > more obvious functionally malefics, is a good idea.

> >

> > You said:

> >

> > Saturn + Moon: So Moon is getting afflicted by

> > Saturn.So indidual is going to be too emotional in

> > nature and may be remaining tense lots of time.But

> > same conjuct may be bringing him a lot of money

> > from

> > mother side etc.So Moon is malefic or benefic.

> >

> > And you're right. I noticed feeling very too much

> > emotional, too sensitive,

> > would get my feelings

> > hurt easily when I was growing up.

> >

> > But, I never experienced money from my Mother.,

> > hehe. When Sani's with

> > Moon, usually grief from

> > Mother is the rule, or distance and no happiness

> > with Mother.

> >

> > In my case, I also had a better Jupiter/Pisces, in

> > 6th aspecting both the

> > Moon & Saturn, and that

> > brought to be a lot of grace and wisdom from my

> > Mother, too.

> >

> > In fact, my Mother, had Jupiter in Pisces, also so

> > we were very close in my

> > very early years, but...

> > even as nice as my Mother would be, I still felt

> > sad, and lonely, and afraid

> > to be away from her.

> >

> > Only when I learned to meditate, and especially

> > learned about the Moon, that

> > I needed to strengthen my own, very Moon, did things

> > start to really change!

> >

> > And finally, you said:

> >

> > 2)Venus + Moon :A person of very caring nature and

> > sweet spoken and nice with every one.Who doesn't

> > want

> > to fight with any one etc.Even this conjuct bring

> > lots

> > of money.But he will be passive in sexual matters

> > and

> > very girly kind.Cannot take decision on spot and

> > because of that may loose money or may loose someone

> > important of his life.So Who is malefic andWho is

> > benefic and reason for a same.

> >

> > Generally you're right, Moon & Venus together are

> > very sweet, and represent

> > a very careing person.

> > For sexuality however, you have to look at Mars'

> > placement and the 8th house

> > lord.

> >

> > Also, 'passiveness' in terms of especially decision

> > makings tends to be more

> > Mercury, and loosing

> > money or loosing someone important in one's life,

> > tends to be Saturn's

> > influences.

> >

> > However if either Moon or Venus rules the 8th or

> > 12th houses, then

> > especially the 12th house lord

> > can give losses.... whatever house it's in, and

> > withwhom.

> >

> > My Mercury rules my 12th house, and being in the

> > 11th, Lord of the 12th, in

> > the 11th, brings losses.

> >

> >

> > good questions....

> >

> > ciao

> >

> >

> > Mark K.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Dear Mark,

> > >

> > > Wonderful exposition of the point .. if its not

> > > asking too much, it will be

> > > very useful if you can indicate the positives and

> > > negatives of all the 9

> > > planets ...

> > >

> > > Also I am curious to know how these negative and

> > > positive traits manifest

> > > per the lordships ..

> > >

> > > Say what negative/positive qualities of saturn

> > show

> > > up

> > > naturally for capricorn as against the aquarius ..

> > >

> > > I sometimes wonder and think that the whole

> > process

> > > of a person being born

> > > in different signs in different births is to learn

> > > to balance the qualities

> > > shown by that particular sign ..

> > >

> > > In effect one way to salvation is when the soul is

> > > wise enough to experience

> > > all the 12 ziodiacs and learns to balance all the

> > > positive and negatives

> > > given by them ...

> > >

> > > which is what Spirituality of asthanga Yoga is all

> > > about ... balance and

> > > transcendance !!

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > >

> > >

> > > Surya Vishnu

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 3/4/05

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Surya:

> > >

> > >

> > > You said: " if its not asking too much, it will be

> > > very useful if you can

> > > indicate the positives and negatives of all the 9

> > > planets ... "

> > >

> > > In short one could say with each planet, there are

> > a

> > > number of Jyotish rules

> > > that would lead one to suspect whether or not any

> > > Planet is acting

> > > malefically.

> > >

> > > However, there's another way to answer this.

> > >

> > > One can look to see if one is experiencing any of

> > > the negative or un-happy,

> > > qualities associated with that Planet, and that

> > can

> > > lead one to get a head's

> > > start on determining that.

> > >

> > > For example, with the Sun.... because the Sun

> > rules

> > > self-confidence, and

> > > self-esteem, whenever a person has powerful or

> > > health self-confidence, then,

> > > it's probably true that their Sun is acting

> > > benefically.

> > >

> > > However, if a person experiences a strong amount

> > of

> > > 'lack' of

> > > self-confidence, and you look at their chart, and

> > > maybe they have the Sun in

> > > the 8th or 12th houses, then one can form a good

> > > guess that it's functioning

> > > as a malefic.

> > >

> > > For the Moon, if the person is fragile

> > emotionally,

> > > or gets their feeling

> > > hurt easily, or especially, has emotional

> > problems,

> > > this is the sign that

> > > the Moon may be acting malefically.

> > > However, if a person is very even, emotionally, or

> > > has very good intuition,

> > > and a strong, happy emotional constitution, then,

> > > these may be good

> > > indicators of strong Moonish beneficness.

> > >

> > > For, Mercury, the functionings of the intellect

> > are

> > > the Astrological 'signs'

> > > whether Mercury is acting maleifically or not. If

> > > intellect is clear, and

> > > decision makings are easy and effortless then

> > > Mercury may be benefic.

> > > However, if it's hard for a person to think

> > clearly,

> > > say in the case of

> > > someone with Mercury in Pisces, then, Mercury may

> > be

> > > acting malefically.

> > >

> > > For, Venus, the planet that represents the

> > > expressive, or affectionate

> > > heart, one's ability to love, and to appreciate

> > are

> > > the signs of a healthy,

> > > balanced Venus. If however, the person is cold,

> > or

> > > unexpressive, or even

> > > critical then Venus may be acting malefically. I

> > > know a number of

> > > individuals who have Venus in Virgo, and they're

> > > extemely hard on

> > > themselves, and have a very difficult time,

> > > appreciating circumstances or

> > > even others.

> > >

> > > For, Saturn, balance, health, losses, grief,

> > delays,

> > > frustrations are all

> > > the negative associations for Sani.

> > > If Saturn is healthy or in it's Own Sign, etc.

> > then,

> > > one is more patient,

> > > calm, and mature, capable to good discipline, and

> > > doing the right thing at

> > > the right time.

> > >

> > > For, Mars, if Mars is positive, one has natural

> > > enthuiasm, good energy,

> > > strong, firm, and a great defender of the weak.

> > If

> > > Mars is found acting

> > > malefically, all kinds of significations of it's

> > > maleficness, will be found.

> > > Some of these include, criminal behavior, going

> > too

> > > fast, having accidents,

> > > being too pushy, angry, negative, etc.

> > >

> > > For, Rahu & Ketu, the primary important issues

> > > include healthy desires or

> > > not. Rahu/Ketu, therefore, represents the 'desire

> > > mechanism', so if

> > > Rahu/Ketu is positive one has desires but they

> > don't

> > > control, or obsess the

> > > person. However, if Rahu/Ketu is acting

> > > malefically, then, one is prone to

> > > obsessions, addictions, unhealthy pursuit of

> > money,

> > > power, fame and ego.

> > >

> > > I hope this answers what you were asking.

> > >

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > >

> > > Mark Kincaid

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ps... As you probably know there may be many

> > reasons

> > > why any planet is found

> > > acting malefically, or benefically.... but to

> > me,...

> > > the key is once we figure out that 'it's' probably

> > > acting malefically, then

> > > that can alert us to do anything to try and turn

> > > that planet around....

> > >

> > > In future emails we can talk about exactly what we

> > > can do to create more

> > > beneficness, especially when a planet's been

> > leading

> > > us astray and acting

> > > malefically.

> > >

> > > I'll give one example.

> > >

> > > Let's say, we are experiencing some kind of strong

> > > lack of self-confidence,

> > > and Sun is found to be either in the 12th house,

> > or

> > > ... say in the 7th

> > > house.

> > >

> > > I did the chart the other day of a lady and she

> > told

> > > me one of her most

> > > challenging parts of her entire life was having a

> > > very strong lack of

> > > self-confidence.

> > >

> > > When I looked at her chart, all I could find was

> > her

> > > Sun was in the 7th

> > > house. Her Sun was ruling her 10th house, and she

> > > had a quality of being in

> > > business with partners, but...

> > >

> > > when she told me she had a strong lack of

> > > self-conficence, and feared being

> > > able to do 'it', 'life', or being a success by

> > > herself...

> > >

> > > the qualities of her malefically acting Sun became

> > > more apparent.

> > >

> > > I've seen this in many others when the Sun's in

> > the

> > > house of the 'other' or

> > > the 7th house, often, there's an accompanying

> > 'lack

> > > of self-confidence' that

> > > goes along with that...

> > >

> > > So, it was a no brainer, really to tell her, her

> > Sun

> > > was probably

> > > functioning in a malefic situation, and she might

> > > want to take some steps

> > > that would have the effect of strengthening her

> > Sun.

> > >

> > > She got excited about that, and I told her some

> > ways

> > > to do that.

> > >

> > > ciao

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Mark

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot for the quick analysis.

> > >

> > > But I have come across somewhere that saturn being

> > a

> > > lagna lord for aquarius

> > > asc doesnot affect the native negatively.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Jugal

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Jugal:

> > >

> > > This can be true, but I'll tell you a great

> > Jyotish

> > > truth.

> > >

> > > The best way to tell whether a planet is 'acting'

> > > malefically, ....is...

> > >

> > > and you know I've come across lots of people with

> > > Saturn's in their Own

> > > signs,

> > > and even Exalted, who....are still experiencing

> > the

> > > negative 'sides' to

> > > Saturn....

> > >

> > > anyway....the best way to 'tell'...

> > >

> > > is to ask yourself,....Q Am i experiencing the

> > > negative consequences of

> > > Saturn...

> > >

> > > impatience,

> > > frustration,

> > > grief,

> > > loss, losses,

> > > sufferings,,...

> > > ill-health...

> > >

> > > delays,...

> > > pain in the body,

> > > cold,

> > > dry,

> > >

> > > etc...

> > >

> > > Or am I experiencing the positives of Saturn?

> > >

> > > patience,...

> > > smoothness,...

> > > peacefulness, within....

> > > composure,

> > > doing the right thing at the right time...

> > > deeeeeeep, silence...within...

> > > no cravings,

> > > integration of silence along with activity....

> > > getting my desires fulfilled without losses....

> > > or if losses happen, you know things go up and

> > down,

> > > anyway,....

> > > then, I'm not adversely affected by those changes

> > on

> > > an outer level....

> > >

> > > I know people like this!

> > >

> > > who exhibit these wonderfully positive sides of

> > > Saturn....

> > >

> > > Also, it may be true what you read about,....

> > Saturn

> > > being the Lord of

> > > Aquarius, and the Lord

> > > of your first House, in the 5th house may have

> > some

> > > positive associations...

> > >

> > > Certainly better then the Lord of the 8th,...in

> > the

> > > 12th...for example...

> > >

> > > But, don't forget, your same Saturn is also

> > > simultaneously the Lord of the

> > > 12th,...and the

> > > Lord of the 12th in the 5th, is supposed to be

> > > functioning, more

> > > malefically,... and some of

> > > the repercussions of this will be.... delays and

> > > disappointments, set-backs,

> > > with....

> > >

> > > children,....

> > > raising them,...

> > > education,

> > > breaks in education....

> > >

> > > etc.

> > >

> > >

> > > Finally, the fact that Saturn's also

> > simultaneously

> > > aspecting your Sun....

> > > would also be indicative of 'things' going more

> > > slowly then you'd like...

> > >

> > > Also, one thing I forgot to mention, is that

> > > Saturn's aspecting also, the 11

> > > house, which is the

> > > main house of desires....

> > >

> > > In other words how we move and fulfill our desires

> > > is goverened by the 11th

> > > house,...

> > > so, the fact that Saturn's in the 5th, aspecting

> > the

> > > 11th....

> > > is like Saturn in the 11th,....and often in

> > people's

> > > charts, who have Saturn

> > > in the 5th or 11th,

> > > even 9th.... all of which can negatively affect

> > the

> > > 11th house....

> > >

> > > Just remember to ask yourself, 'am I experiencing'

> > > the positive or negative

> > > side of this planet!

> > >

> > >

> > > ciao

> > >

> > >

> > > Mark Kincaid

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > " jugal joshi " <jjugal@r...>

> > > " jugal joshi " <jjugal@r...>

> > > 3 Mar 2005 14:31:45 -0000

> > > " Mark Kincaid " <m.kincaid@m...>

> > > Re: 2-jugal, re.... Jyotish/Astrology is

> > > the Ultimate

> > > Self-Improvement Technology...> Mark Kincaid 3

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Mark

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot for the quick analysis.

> > >

> > > But I have come across somewhere that saturn being

> > a

> > > lagna lord for aquarius

> > > asc doesnot affect the native negatively.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Jugal

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 Mark Kincaid wrote :

> > > >Dear Mark

> > > >

> > > >I was going thru your article, its really

> > amazing.

> > > >

> > > >I have been feeling lot of frustration for quite

> > > some time now. Not knowing

> > > >what and where I have to go. May be it is

> > beacuase

> > > I am running Rahu

> > > >Mahadasha or may be something else.

> > > >

> > > >My rising sign (at the time of birth) is aquarius

> > > and other birth details

> > > >are as under:

> > > >Date 20/08/1973

> > > >Time 20.00 Hrs

> > > >Place nagaur ( 27.30N and 74.20E)

> > > >Thanks N Regards

> > > >Jugal

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >Dear Jugal:

> > > >

> > > >Glad you enjoyed it. I'm looking up your chart

> > > fairly quickly,... and I'm

> > > >comparing it to your short description, above.

> > > >

> > > >I find that people, we all, express our charts

> > > through our very words, very

> > > >spontaneously. And when I read your

> > words,...these

> > > particular one's jump

> > > >out, at me.

> > > >

> > > >#1 you said... " feeling a lot of

> > > frustration " ....and " not knowing what and

> > > >where to go. "

> > > >

> > > >Both these descriptions remind me of Saturn....

> > > >Saturn's the planet that holds us back,.... and

> > the

> > > flavor you said,...of

> > > >'not knowing, 'what', and where to go...are also

> > > interesting...

> > > >

> > > >Do you know about Jyotish aspects?

> > > >

> > > >Well, in your chart, your Saturn's in the 5th

> > > house, in Gemini, the 3rd

> > > >sign, ... and Sani aspects fully the 3rd house

> > away

> > > from it, and 3 houses

> > > >away, is your Leo, which is where your Sun is...

> > > >and though the Sun always loves being in Leo,

> > I've

> > > known people with Saturn

> > > >aspecting Sun's/Leo before, and quite often a lot

> > > of frustrations result...

> > > >

> > > >So, if we've identified, the right planet that's

> > > causing you your

> > > >'frustrations', then,

> > > >we might talk about some ways to strengthen,

> > > Saturn....

> > > >

> > > >My take on Jyotish is, simply put, that the

> > > malefics in our charts, are not

> > > >only symbolic

> > > >of our problems,...but ....

> > > >they're even much more profoundly,....about those

> > > very things that we should

> > > >consider differently,... and adjusting

> > > ourselves,... in the ways of those

> > > >'planets' or malefics,.... should transform

> > > ourselves, quite naturally!

> > > >

> > > >So, let's try....

> > > >

> > > >In your chart, I believe your 'frustrations' are

> > > Saturn based.

> > > >

> > > >They could be pitta or Mars based if Mars was so

> > > aspecting but I think

> > > >Saturn's the one.

> > > >

> > > >So, consider for a moment that you could

> > > strengthen, and therefore, improve

> > > >your Saturn!

> > > >

> > > >Then, the way you'll be able to tell that you're

> > > progressing, is those same

> > > >flavors of frustration, .... start to go away!

> > > >

> > > >Now, I believe it's also helpful to understand,

> > > that where we have our

> > > >malefics, is where we're experiencing

> > > 'frustrations' and challenges, but not

> > > >understanding that we're the one's who are

> > creating

> > > those in the first

> > > >place.

> > > >

> > > >For example, if you were having a problem with

> > > Mars, you might be having

> > > >accidents, and feeling frustrated because you

> > > thought you were going the

> > > >right speed, but lo, and behold, you kept finding

> > > yourself slipped, on the

> > > >ground...

> > > >

> > > >So, these malefics represent where our thought

> > > patterns are not quite

> > > >correct, or in-tune with Nature...

> > > >

> > > >In the case of Mars it's more obvious, that

> > > Nature's telling us...'We're

> > > >going too fast! "

> > > >

> > > >But, in the case of Saturn, we don't see so

> > > obviously....

> > > >

> > > >but, this is where Jyotish comes in and helps...

> > > >

> > > >The idea with Saturn is we're out of tune, with

> > the

> > > timing of things.

> > > >Impatience or feelings of frustration,

> > themselves,

> > > are common responses, of

> > > >being

> > > >out of tune, with Saturn...

> > > >

> > > >So, by directly, strengthening or growing in the

> > > wisdom of Saturn, let's see

> > > >if your

> > > >experience of frustration might subside...

> > > >

> > > >First of all, let me ask,.... how are you

> > feeling?

> > > >

> > > >Are you sleeping well?

> > > >Getting enough rest?

> > > >Well rested?

> > > >And plenty of energy, after you wake up?

> > > >

> > > >Most people are not getting enough rest,...

> > > >or going to bed early enough....

> > > >

> > > >One of the things we learn from Ayurved is the

> > > importance of regular habits,

> > > >going to

> > > >bed on time, early enough....

> > > >

> > > >Also, what will help Saturn is to put yourself on

> > a

> > > more balanced routine...

> > > >

> > > >Go to bed early, 10pm latest for a week....

> > > >Get up, when you first wake up.... wash, shower,

> > > get ready....

> > > >If still groggy, meditate, if you know how,....

> > do

> > > some yoga....

> > > >and then go about your day....

> > > >

> > > >eat at roughly the same time,

> > > >listen to your body,....

> > > >eat if you're hungry....

> > > >don't overeat or undereat...

> > > >

> > > >Ayurved says " listen to your body "

> > > >Eat as much as your fire of digestion, is

> > hankering

> > > for....

> > > >

> > > >And then, eat lighter at night, and again go to

> > bed

> > > earlier....

> > > >

> > > >Do, this for a few days.... especially the part

> > of

> > > getting more rest....

> > > >

> > > >and see if you don't start to

> > automatically....feel

> > > better!

> > > >

> > > >Frustrations can be outer oriented, but my

> > > experience is most of our

> > > >frustrations, are

> > > >inner based,...primarily....

> > > >

> > > >And once you correct the

> > > imbalances....inside....subjectively.....

> > > >

> > > >then, the outer manifestations.... go away!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >good luck....

> > > >

> > > >and let me know what happends....

> > > >

> > > >ciao

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >Mark Kincaid

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " jugal joshi " <jjugal@r...>

> > > > " jugal joshi " <jjugal@r...>

> > > >3 Mar 2005 06:44:10 -0000

> > > >m.kincaid@m...

> > > >Re: Jyotish/Astrology is the

> > Ultimate

> > > Self-Improvement

> > > >Technology...> Mark Kincaid 3/2/05

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 Mark Kincaid wrote :

> > > > >

> > > > >Astrology is the Ultimate Self-Improvement

> > > Technology!

> > > > >

> > > > >Join the Astrology Quiz!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >Dear Friends:

> > > > >March 2, 2005

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >You hear a lot about self-improvement and

> > > positive thinking groups, today

> > > > >In fact, the entire 'New Age' movement is full

> > of

> > > ennumerable ways in which

> > > > >to unfold or improve human potential.

> > > > >

> > > > >One day I was reflecting upon this and it

> > occured

> > > to me that

> > > > >Jyotish/Astrology was the original, and maybe,

> > ..

> > > perhaps, the best.... even

> > > > >the Ultimate Self-Improvement

> > > > >Technology!

> > > > >

> > > > >Why?

> > > > >

> > > > >First of all because every area of life is

> > > included in our Astrology charts,

> > > > >anyway.

> > > > >

> > > > >Physical Exercise,.... it's there, in our

> > > charts...

> > > > >Balance between rest & activity,...is there, in

> > > the Saturn's in our

> > > > >charts...

> > > > >Yoga, it's there!

> > > > >Ayurveda!, ... it's there....

> > > > >Self-esteem, for better or worse, it's

> > > there,...in the Sun's in our

> > > > >charts...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >Also, I think Jyotish/Astrology ... is supreme,

> > > because it's so individual,

> > > > >specific, and precise, whereas most

> > > self-improvement Philosophys, are too

> > > > >general.

> > > > >

> > > > >In the Jyotish book I'm presently writing

> > there's

> > > a section on comparing

> > > > >Astrology to other Philosophys and I compare to

> > > Philosophys, like those of

> > > > >Deepak Chopra, Dr. Johnny Gray, even Oprah, has

> > a

> > > Philosophy....

> > > > >

> > > > >All Philosophys, are contained in

> > Astrology,....

> > > but not, all Philosophys

> > > > >are as comprehensive as Astrology.

> > > > >

> > > > >Therefore, embrace your Astrology....!

> > > > >as the ultimate self-improvement technology!

> > > > >

> > > > >#1 ... Define the thing you wish was different

> > in

> > > your life!

> > > > >

> > > > >Whether it's better physical health, or mental

> > > peace of mind,... or... more

> > > > >money, more love, more attunement with

> > Nature,...

> > > etc.

> > > > >

> > > > >#2.... Then, find the Planets, Houses, and all

> > > Astrological configurations

> > > > >that are involved with that particular part of

> > > your life.

> > > > >

> > > > >#3... Once we've discovered which planets and

> > > configurations are holding us

> > > > >back, or frustrating us, .. then,....

> > > > >

> > > > >#4... Make a decision to focus on strengthening

> > > that Planet!

> > > > >

> > > > >This is the key to Jyotish/Astrological, and

> > life

> > > improvement, is to

> > > > >identify that Astrological 'trigger', which is

> > > literally responsible for

> > > > >that challenge!

> > > > >

> > > > >The problem is,.... for each person, 'that'

> > > switch is different.

> > > > >

> > > > >For example, to improve one's love life, Venus

> > is

> > > the predominate Planet

> > > > >that's responsible, for love.

> > > > >

> > > > >However, for each person, the 5th & 7th houses,

> > > are also indicative of

> > > > >success in the field of pre-marital, and

> > > committed, marriage success.

> > > > >

> > > > >Then, you have to take into account all the

> > > various aspects of one's chart,

> > > > >and you can come to a very complete picture of

> > > what's holding us back.

> > > > >

> > > > >I'll give you an example.

> > > > >

> > > > >Jason is a man whom I did his chart last year.

> > > > >

> > > > >He wanted too, to improve his relationship with

> > > his girlfriend.

> > > > >In fact, it was his girlfriend who was

> > 'dragging'

> > > him to come have his

> > > > >chart, read.

> > > > >

> > > > >So, we reviewed his chart from the point of

> > view

> > > of his experiences, and he

> > > > >got very excited that we could guess what he

> > was

> > > like and especially the

> > > > >deeper motivations that were going on,

> > underneath

> > > his experiences.

> > > > >

> > > > >He said: " I can't believe you can pin point

> > > what's really going on. I mean

> > > > >I don't even know if I understood, exactly but

> > > you've really helped me

> > > > >understand myself better! "

> > > > >

> > > > >This is the key to life,....and perhaps, one of

> > > Astrology's greatest

> > > > >attributes.

> > > > >Astrology can lead to more self-wisdom.

> > > > >And, as we know ourselves better, we begin to

> > > understand what qualities,

> > > > >what characteristics we are bringing to the

> > > 'relationship', or our job, or

> > > > >our family, etc.

> > > > >

> > > > >Then, we talked about how we could strengthen

> > the

> > > 'relationship' Planets and

> > > > >even the 5th & 7th houses, which we had just

> > > discovered were, in fact, at

> > > > >the basis of his frustrations.

> > > > >

> > > > >One of the biggest problems in life, is that we

> > > 'blame', others....

> > > > >for our situations.

> > > > >

> > > > >We blame our 'mate' for our frustrations.

> > > > >We blame our job, the company we work for.

> > > > >Heck, we even blame God, for giving us such

> > > frustrating challenges!

> > > > >

> > > > >But, Jyotish/Astrology helps us see that the

> > > World, is truely,...as WE ARE!

> > > > >And once we see, that all the qualities,

> > > situations and aspects to our life,

> > > > >are there, in our charts,...then, we begin to

> > > accept....

> > > > >that yes,... our life is really our....own.

> > > > >

> > > > >And all we really have to do,....is begin the

> > > process of self-change,...

> > > > >self-improvement....

> > > > >

> > > > >And, good Jyotish/Astrology, knows exactly how

> > > and with what Planets, or

> > > > >switches of ours, we need to turn on!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >So, take the Astrology challenge!

> > > > >

> > > > >Jyotish Quiz!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >o Identify the part of your life that you wish

> > > was different!

> > > > >

> > > > >o Health problems __________?

> > > > >o Financial problems _________?

> > > > >o Relationship problems __________?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >o Then, find the Planet(s), or Chart

> > > configurations, houses & signs,

> > > > >that are

> > > > > literally, reflective of those challenges!

> > > > >

> > > > >o Is it Saturn that's causing you your

> > problems?

> > > ________

> > > > >o Is it Mars ______?

> > > > >o Is it the Sun ______?

> > > > >o Is it the Moon ______?

> > > > >

> > > > >Let us know...

> > > > >

> > > > >It's not that 'these' Planets are causing us

> > our

> > > problems!

> > > > >

> > > > >The 'malefics' in our charts are just those

> > > aspects of life, that we didn't

> > > > >understand

> > > > >before we came to this Earth....

> > > > >

> > > > >Identifying which aspects of ourSelves, are

> > > responsible for our

> > > > >unhappinesses,...

> > > > >is the key to true growth in life.

> > > > >

> > > > >This is what's going on in our lives, even

> > before

> > > we ever heard of

> > > > >Astrology.

> > > > >

> > > > >Someone's having accidents or is extremely

> > > accident prone, and at some

> > > > >point, 'they get it'.... " Ahhhh, I'm going to

> > > fast! "

> > > > >

> > > > >Then, they begin to adjust, and even if they

> > end

> > > up having to re-organize a

> > > > >bunch of different parts of themselves, but,

> > the

> > > point is... they do adjust,

> > > > >and the Mars, energy inside of them, ... starts

> > > to change!

> > > > >

> > > > >Imagine what it would be like, if we could

> > learn

> > > to adjust more early!

> > > > >

> > > > >And, not just because we've gotten sick again,

> > > and we've finally gotten sick

> > > > >of staying up too late, eating all kinds of

> > weird

> > > food, and smoking too

> > > > >much.

> > > > >

> > > > >Imagine if we could have learned earlier, from

> > > our chart's how to change our

> > > > >eating habits!

> > > > >

> > > > >Like that, we all can enjoy an amazing

> > > improvement in the quality and

> > > > >character, of our lives through the innocent

> > > application of good Astrology.

> > > > >

> > > > >I was thinking the other day and it occured to

> > me

> > > that the key to life, is

> > > > >growth.

> > > > >

> > > > >But, Astrology has such a long habit of belief

> > in

> > > fate and pre-determinism,

> > > > >and flash! I realized, Astrology needs to

> > embrace

> > > it's own, self-improvement

> > > > >nature, and when it does, then Astrology will

> > > finally move into it's proper

> > > > >place as the Ultimate Self-Improvement

> > > Technology.

> > > > >

> > > > >We now, need to revive this bias in present day

> > > Astrology. We need to

> > > > >understand that Astrology understands about

> > > life's transformations, even as

> > > > >much as it understands about our 'fates'.

> > > > >

> > > > >They do both exist, but our present age shows

> > us

> > > that those who learn to

> > > > >grow, to adapt, to change and transform, they

> > > teach us about possibilities!

> > > > >

> > > > >Astrology, too needs to embrace it's powerful

> > > ability to accomplish.

> > > > >

> > > > >Join me in a discussion as to How to Do these

> > > things we've been talking

> > > > >about.

> > > > >

> > > > >Anyone who would like, feel free to write me

> > back

> > > and we'll go through this

> > > > >process.

> > > > >

> > > > >Tell me about the thing in your life, you wish

> > > was different!

> > > > >

> > > > >If you know your chart, tell me your date of

> > > birth info, and especially

> > > > >Rising Sign.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >Then, let's explore together, how we can learn

> > to

> > > strength those Planets

> > > > >which seem to be causing you any frustrations.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >Sincerely,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >Mark Kincaid

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >Astrologer,

> > > > >Founder Nature's Astrology.

> > > > >Teacher of Meditation

> > > > >Ayurvedic Pulse Diagnosis, and teacher.

> > > > >

> > > > >Starlight Inc.

> > > > >>641 472-0000.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > " Love is the beauty of the soul " " For it was not into

> > my ear you whispered,

> > but into my heart.It was not my lips you kissed, but

> > my soul. "

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Celebrate 's 10th Birthday!

> > Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web

> > http://birthday./netrospective/

> >

> >