2-Panditji,Jyothi & all, re. Is Life/or Astrology pre-determined, or free?, Mark Kincaid

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Dear Panditji:

 

Very good points, I agree.

 

And I'd just like to say, 'destiny' just means pre-determined karma coming back.

 

But, the kicker, is we were the sources of those original actions in the first place.

 

But the way the Universe works, is... having done certain actions, then, the results

are predictable...but....

and here's the key.... at every point in the present or future, we are free how we

interact or receive those actions...

 

I like to think of these 'karmas'....as bills.

 

Maybe a 100$ or 200$, but.. and they're coming...

 

But we have a freedom of choice, as to how we prepare for those 'bills' a-coming.

 

We can plod along the way we have and have only 200$, in the bank when that bill comes,

which will have that predictable effect...

 

Or, we can change ourselves, save more money and having 2000$ in the account, find that,

that 200$ doesn't have nearly the effect,...as predicted.

 

My Guru, however, goes even one step further...

 

" There's an aspect of Vedic science, which has the ability to change even the karmas that

are coming. "

 

He goes on to say, " Vedic yaguas, are those cosmic performanaces, that will negate or neutralize the negative influences, created from the past.... "

 

And, for this I think of this analogy.

 

Our karmas, are like snowballs, coming down the hill.

 

We set them in motion, they're our creations,...but unlike the more fatalistic view, that

they're going to come down, at a certain speed, and hit the house or buildings below,

or,...we still have time, to set another action in motion....maybe build a wall to stop the snow-ball, or even throw another ball to knock the first one, out of the way...

 

To me, this is the power of these yaguas....

 

Nice talking to you.

 

 

Sincerely,

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

Panditji <navagraha

vedic astrology

Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:13:24 -0500

vedic astrology

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: 2-Jyothi, re. Is Life/or Astrology pre-determined, or free?, > Mark Kincaid

 

 

Namaste,

 

Interesting topic and can be a futile discussion at the same time. I

would like to take one more quote from Hart Defaow's book. This

relates to the point Mark has made.

 

Hart Defaws Guru once wondered... " Why western people have such

aversion to destiny , it is so hard to live up to it. "

 

Destiny is not fatalistic. Firstly word fatalistic has a negative

connotation. Destiny is something one has to live up to. Jyotish gives

you tools to see the patterns of destiny. Nature or Jyotish reveals a

lot of things, but nature never reveals all. Thats the beauty of it.

One of my jyotish gurus oncve said.. " If the jatak gets a good holistic

jyotish reading, then he gets a free will " meaning knowing what is in

store, you have the kriyamana karma to act upon it.

 

The best way to live life is by norms of dharma put down by ancient

sages. As one only has control over kriyanamna karma, make that a good

karma, a nishkama karma as mentioned in Gita. Prarabdha has to be

endured, yogis do that knowingly. The mere mortals run to some

remedial measures after they start feeling the problems.

 

Anyway just a few thoughts.

 

....

 

 

On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 02:59:04 -0000, jyothi_lakshmi_b

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> Thank you for the prompt response. Your quotations were really

> interesting. If you are interested, and if you dont think that I am

> arguing, please I would like to ask some thing regarding the first

> quotation. (Consider my queries just as my curisoity to reach the

> final truth). If I consider life as a journey down the road, and

> suppose at the end, I choose the right path instaed of left, my doubt

> now is, who made me choose the right path and why I didnt feel to

> choose the left? I feel that if I chose right and suppose some odds

> are waiting for me there, then I would believe that I was predestined

> by God that I should go by right and suffer those odds. (We usually

> have experiences in our life when we chose to go by a particular bus,

> but unfortunately couldnt catch it or we later feel that will go by

> next bus, without any particular reason and end either in a minor

> accident or fortunately escape from an accident. Both are possible.)

> Am I right or wrong ?

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> > Dear Jyothi:

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> > You bring up a good point.

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> > Because if LIFE, or Astrology is really deterministic, than there

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> > no point to try and

> > change,.....anything.

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> > But, I don't believe, life is 100% deterministic.

> > I believe life, is both.

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> > I heard one great scholor express this 'debate' once, this way.

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> > " Predeterminism & free will is like you're going down a road.

> > When you get to the end you can go to the left or the right.

> > You have a choice.

> > But, once you make the choice, it's inevitable, or pre-determined,

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> > see a white house, then a green and yellow one.

> > However, at every moment you're still free to stop, and turn around

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> > back,

> > but once you do, it's again pre-determined, that along the other

> road,

> > you'll see

> > first a brown house, then, a blue and white ones.

> > Determinism & freedom, both co-exist. "

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> > Another great quote:

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> > " If all we could do was predict the future and not change it.

> > Being able to see the dangers on the horizon

> > but not change for better, would be very cruel. "

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> > Personally, I think this is one of the greatest fallacies, of

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> > Jyotish, or even Indian

> > culture. If the West have anything to teach the World, it is the

> fact, that

> > life is not fate,

> > and to put in common vernacular: " we believe that anyone can become

> > President. "

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> > Good discussion, topic.

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> > Sincerely,

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> > Mark Kincaid

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> > " jyothi_lakshmi_b " <jyothi_lakshmi_b>

> > vedic astrology

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> > vedic astrology

> > [vedic astrology] Inviting a discussion- To what extent is

> > astrology relevant?

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> > Respected Sirs,

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> > I would like to invite all members to a discussion on how far

> > astrology is relevant. I am a strong believer in God and thinks that

> > whatever we are destined to experience, we have to and that is

> > inevitable. My doubt is that if this is the case, what is the

> purpose

> > of checking horoscopes and doing Pariharas?

> > I am not at all questioning astrology (I am a passionate learner of

> > the subject). But would like to get a satisfying answer from

> scholars

> > for this question which has been haunting me since I started

> learning

> > astrology.

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> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

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