2-Durga, re. Astrology freedom & determinism,... Mark Kincaid 3/13

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Dear Durga:

 

I think you're right. If we on the other hand, believe somehow we're not responsible for our actions, that others are, including God, then we're giving up our live's to others, and one of the greatest problems I see in life, and in Astrology, being 'blame' pops up.

 

Those that blame others, keep themselves, in a very perilous, and weakened situation, vulnerable, and imprisoned, by 'others' including the Universe.

 

But, the truth is that our charts show us that our lives, are predictable, and being predictable, is rather, a good example of 'karma' or actions & predictable consequences, which was not meant to be an example of 'fate' but rather of freedom of choice, and evolution.

 

Those individuals who cease their life, and own up the many various details of their lives, and their charts, have the best chance of gaining control and becoming a success in life.

 

Nice talking to you.

 

take care

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

" gkdurga " <gkdurga

 

Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:14:38 -0000

 

Re: 2-Vinita, Jyothi & All.....,

 

 

 

Good morning all,

I think all the gurus, elders, parents and freinds tell us to take

resposibility our own actions because that is the truth. They are

never there in the juxtaposition and so can never really tell what

could have been done. So it is always upto you.

This thought process will lead to exhilarated joy when we meet

success due to our actions, nuetrality when we didnt do anything and

becoming a completely depressed when we meet failure.

 

I think we have to try new things to console ourselves later that

atleast we tried.

Have great day all.

Durga.

 

, Mark Kincaid

<m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> Dear Vinita:

>

> I like your point here about living more in the 'moment'.

>

> Jyotish/Astrology, also, has this great ability to decipher, the

good & the

> bad, within us,

> even in that eternity of the present.

>

> Our 'Astrology' tells us, even in every moment, that 'these' are

our

> benefics, and 'these' our

> malefics.

>

> Therefore, with this greater Jyotish discrimination, which is like

our own

> private Guru.

> Jyotish, is a Guru.

> It makes value judgements.

> This is better then that and this should evolve into 'that'.

> Knowing all this, being presented with this wonderful Jyotish

> discrimination, allows us to

> consider growing in, therefore, the 'right' direction.

>

> And if we're able to do, 'that', then, life smooths out.

>

> If we are told to strengthen Saturn, and put more attention on

acting from

> more restfulness, and balance...and we learn to meditate, to go to

bed

> earlier, and eat and act, at more 'right' times, and natural Saturn

> discrimination, develops...

> then, with all that improvement, the actions and vibrations of

ourselves,

> being 'better', then, natually translates into better 'future'

consequences.

>

> You're right though it's always in the present...

> but, if we're going to learn how to make the 'future', a more

happy,

> present,...then,

> we need to learn to transform these malefics.

>

> The ironic think is this isn't something we have to re-learn, or

cognize,

> etc....

> This reality of working on and deciphering the lessons of our

lives, is the

> very purpose of our hearts and minds.

>

> We are beings that want to become better.

> We want to become more loving,

> to understand better,

> to achieve more inner happiness, and outer success.

> It's in the very tissues of our cells.

>

> And, since that's who we are, the naturalness, of the Wisdom of

Jyotish, has

> a chance to go

> right to those complications, or blocks, or hinderances, or

illusions,

> delusions, if you were,....

> which are out malefics...

>

> The art and science of transforming malefics, is a very deep, and

not well

> understood, phenomena, even for most people practicing

Astrology/Jyotish

> today.

>

> Some time in the future we can talk more about why this is so

challenging

> for most, and yet, how with a little Vedic insight, we can master

this most

> pressing and illusive, reality.

>

> Nice talking with you, all.

>

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

> Jai Guru....

>

>

>

> " vinita kumar " <shankar_mamta>

> vedic astrology

> Sun, 13 Mar 2005 05:22:07 -0000

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Re: 2-Jyothi, re. Is Life/or Astrology

> pre-determined, or free?, > Mark Kincaid

>

>

>

> Dear Jyothi,

>

> I was also asking similar questions some time back. The conflict

> arose because I thought study of astrology is contrary to what my

> understanding is of what my guru has been telling us. What he has

> been saying is this - IT IS THE PRESENT MOMENT WHICH ALONE IS

> IMPORTANT. LIVE WITH YOUR FULL INVOLVEMENT AND AWARENESS IN THE

> PRESENT MOMENT. THE PAST IS DEAD. THE FUTURE IS A HALLUCINATION. BE

> RESPONSIBLE FOR WHATEVER YOU DO IN THE PRESENT. THAT IS THE ONLY

> THING THAT MATTERS.

>

> So going by what he says we alone are responsible for what we are

and

> what we do. No blaming destiny.

>

> There is no right path or wrong left turning down the road we

travel.

> Each moment is what we have to tackle to the best of our

capability.

> (The capability itself grows with greater conciousness and full

> involvement in life while at the same time being detached - the

lotus

> analogy, etc.)

>

> So where does astrology come into all this? MAybe astrology makes

us

> understand better who we are and what is this thing called life.

>

> Vinita

>

> vedic astrology , " jyothi_lakshmi_b "

> <jyothi_lakshmi_b> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > Thank you for the prompt response. Your quotations were

really

> > interesting. If you are interested, and if you dont think that I

am

> > arguing, please I would like to ask some thing regarding the

first

> > quotation. (Consider my queries just as my curisoity to reach the

> > final truth). If I consider life as a journey down the road, and

> > suppose at the end, I choose the right path instaed of left, my

> doubt

> > now is, who made me choose the right path and why I didnt feel to

> > choose the left? I feel that if I chose right and suppose some

odds

> > are waiting for me there, then I would believe that I was

> predestined

> > by God that I should go by right and suffer those odds. (We

usually

> > have experiences in our life when we chose to go by a particular

> bus,

> > but unfortunately couldnt catch it or we later feel that will go

by

> > next bus, without any particular reason and end either in a minor

> > accident or fortunately escape from an accident. Both are

possible.)

> > Am I right or wrong ?

> >

> > Sincerly,

> > Jyothi.

> >

> >

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> > vedic astrology , Mark Kincaid

> <m.kincaid@m...>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Jyothi:

> > >

> > > You bring up a good point.

> > >

> > > Because if LIFE, or Astrology is really deterministic, than

there

> > really is

> > > no point to try and

> > > change,.....anything.

> > >

> > > But, I don't believe, life is 100% deterministic.

> > > I believe life, is both.

> > >

> > > I heard one great scholor express this 'debate' once, this way.

> > >

> > > " Predeterminism & free will is like you're going down a road.

> > > When you get to the end you can go to the left or the right.

> > > You have a choice.

> > > But, once you make the choice, it's inevitable, or pre-

> determined,

> > that

> > > first you'll

> > > see a white house, then a green and yellow one.

> > > However, at every moment you're still free to stop, and turn

> around

> > and go

> > > back,

> > > but once you do, it's again pre-determined, that along the

other

> > road,

> > > you'll see

> > > first a brown house, then, a blue and white ones.

> > > Determinism & freedom, both co-exist. "

> > >

> > > Another great quote:

> > >

> > > " If all we could do was predict the future and not change it.

> > > Being able to see the dangers on the horizon

> > > but not change for better, would be very cruel. "

> > >

> > > Personally, I think this is one of the greatest fallacies, of

> > present

> > > Jyotish, or even Indian

> > > culture. If the West have anything to teach the World, it is

the

> > fact, that

> > > life is not fate,

> > > and to put in common vernacular: " we believe that anyone can

> become

> > > President. "

> > >

> > > Good discussion, topic.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > >

> > > Mark Kincaid

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > " jyothi_lakshmi_b " <jyothi_lakshmi_b>

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Sun, 13 Mar 2005 01:32:55 -0000

> > > vedic astrology

> > > [vedic astrology] Inviting a discussion- To what

extent

> is

> > > astrology relevant?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Respected Sirs,

> > >

> > > I would like to invite all members to a discussion on how far

> > > astrology is relevant. I am a strong believer in God and thinks

> that

> > > whatever we are destined to experience, we have to and that is

> > > inevitable. My doubt is that if this is the case, what is the

> > purpose

> > > of checking horoscopes and doing Pariharas?

> > > I am not at all questioning astrology (I am a passionate

learner

> of

> > > the subject). But would like to get a satisfying answer from

> > scholars

> > > for this question which has been haunting me since I started

> > learning

> > > astrology.

> > >

> > >

> > > Jyothi.

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