2-Anju, & All, re....Freedom, determinism & How we can change our 'fate'!,... Mark Kincaid 3/14

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Dear Anju:

 

Actually, I also believe we can change our karma.

 

Here are a couple of ways I think of 'karma'.

 

One, it is like a bill, and that bill is set, and it's 'karma' is set, and predictable, too.

 

However, we are still free, to go ahead and ignore it's future comings, hence the more predictable consequence,....

 

Let's say it's a 100$ bill, and it's coming, and yet, we are still free to plan differently, and either have 200$ in the account, or 1000$, ....

 

If we can change the present, in this way, then the karma of the future, also will change.

 

It will make a huge difference if we have more Saturn wealth!, hehe

 

But, there's also another way we can change that 'set' or fated karma...

 

We can literally change 'it', itself.

 

Let's pretend for a moment that our 'bills' are like snow balls coming down the hill.

 

First perception is to say, they're fated, to arrive at this time, and with this load, or impact!

 

But, we are still free, to either get out of the way....or...

 

to build a dam, a wall, 1/2 down to obliterate it's supposedly fated influence...

 

Think of that money analogy and say, we've got lots of 12th house planets, and we're 'fated' to have way toooo much debt.... but... we do allow a situation...

 

where we either re-organize that same debt, or we eliminate it altogether,.... so that we can climb out of the intensely debilitating influence of all that heavy karma....

 

There's an aspect of Vedic Science which has to do with obliterating those dangers, on the horizon, even before they've come...

 

This is the Vedic science of Yaguas.....

 

Yaguas are those mantra performances, or recitations, that can have the influence, to literally,

obliterate....the bad.... before they manifest...

 

This, then, is one of the benefits of having one's chart done, because future poor periods, can

be neutralized...by this very profound science of yaguas....

 

 

Thanks for your thoughts.....

 

Sincerely,

 

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

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Re: [AyurvedJyotishYoga] 2-Shripal, & All, re.... Astrology freedom & determinism,...>Mark Kincaid 3/14

 

 

Dear Markji namaskar i totally agree with you this life is in continuos of our past life from here again we go forward or backward according to our karma good or bad but we cannot change our destiny however hard we try yes to some extent we can change our thinking even that we ifare prepared to listen to our antaratma for what is right and what is wrong genarally we ignore it we listen to our atma only what we want to listen.

anju

 

Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote:

Dear Shripal:

 

See below:

 

 

 

Hi ALL,

 

I have always seen life is splitted with a two paths

at each and every turn of it and everyone has a choice

of it's own.Now to think about it is my fate to choose

a wrong one or a right one when you reach after a

distant on that path is foolishness.

 

What I think is there is nothing such as wrong path or

right path.It is more over time determine factor.We

are currently standing at a place with our whole past

and looking towards future.Here past,just doesn't mean

past of these Life,But life after Life(Karmas) and

looking towards Life after Life in future.

 

I slightly disagree with your words here.

 

I believe Jyotish, especially, is all about 'right and wrong'.

 

This planet is malefic and this other planet better, is Jyotish's way of showing us the

and here's the main point...'the relative' significance of our actions.

 

Planets which are in their Own Signs, or even Exalted...are the 'best', because we're the

most in-tune with nature in the ways of this Planet.

 

Therefore, Jyotish's value system or judgements, are to teach us about how in-tune we are

with life!

 

Wow, that's a great point, hehe.

 

So, if this is true, then, we use this natural value system of Nature, to change ourselves, or our ways...and changeing and growing along the natural beneficness of every planet...

 

will lead to our natural evolution!

 

 

 

For example we consider for time being only this

Life,A mother has to choose wether she wants ot be

total devotee of a son or Husband or professional life

etc etc.Every person having a time factor of 24hrs a

day is splitted into responsibilities.His life is

scattered or divided into all these objects.Now she

knows what she is doing and what she is going through

and I believe in Law of Nature,as you saw,so shall you

get.But a same for a ascetic person it will be totally

devoted to GOD and welfare of a people.So for him

water in not the one in a sea,But the one in his

Bowl,He has made his Life,you can say focused to a

point.

 

The key, whether a person is a house holder or ascetic, is...

are we acting in-tune with our charts or STars...

 

and if we are, then, that's great, and life moves naturally, progressively toward more and more..

 

But, if we're not, and we're receiving so-called negative consequences, like restlessness, anxieties, or tirednesses, and sickness; then, Nature is trying to show us, we need to do

something differently.

 

All the negatives, of life, which can be associated with all the negative 'maleficnesses' of Jyotish,

are there, to show us the ill of our ways...

 

Once we decide to change, to adapt, and especially do something differently,...

 

then we have a change to change and improve our lives!

 

 

 

But for people like us there will always be right and

Left path or wrong, till we learn from the wrong ones,

we will never take a right path.And I believe in

Karmas, that more you become focus on a prime aspect

of our existence, more we will take a right turn in

our life.And day will come when there will be no right

or Left,But a straight road towards destination.And

that will be our destiny,destined for.

 

I agree.

 

Considering whether Astrology can give us a grip

towards our Life,I will say yes.As you find more and

more malefics things in your chart and through your

free will and focus of mind to control it,you can

change a timing of your destiny.That is every born

person's in every Life destiny is defined,so it cannot

be changed,But a time to achieve can be changed.Rather

than taking to many births, in lesser time we can have

it.

 

I'm very reluctant to use the word destiny or fate to strongly.

 

I believe, it's really the destiny or fate of all, to arrive in the state of no destiny or no fate,

or the state of perfection.

 

Perfection or enlightenment is our destiny, eventually, but it's not a karmic situation.

 

It's the natural state of being, or our own natures, and we're endowed with freedom, or

some degree of 'it', so that we can freely choose to go left or right,...

 

And discover, what is more right,....for us, at every stage...

 

What is more 'right' is that which is closer to Perfection!

 

and these will be experienced by us, as more happiness, more clarity of mind, more power, and more naturalness.

 

Un-right choices, lead to sickness, to stress, to pain, and all sufferings...

 

Once we understand that Nature has a natural value system of right and wrong, to help us

discover the more evolutionary or more right, happy, direction,

then, we can understand why we ever experience any sufferings...

 

Nature seems to allow us one thing...

 

To be able to do whatever we want!

 

However, there's one rub!

 

We are going to be held responsible for the consequences of those actions!

 

This being the Nature of life, then, we are free to evolve, or get stressed.

 

The choice is up to us.

 

 

 

It is like working very hard in a office and getting

promotion at a early age.

 

Question will arise,whether this was our destiny,I

will say,till you explorer yourself in these world of

magic,power and illusions, you will never know whom

you are destined for.Free will of every person is

always there, he knows it whether to go for it or

not.It is a fear which blocks our path towards

unknown.

 

This is a good example. I believe it's in our Stars, or charts... to have the opportunity

to being promoted. But, it's up to us, to work hard, and deserve that promotion.

 

Think of people from wealthy backgrounds who have all the opportunities, laid out for them,

but still they choose, to ignore those opportunites, and to suffer.

 

Whatever our situation, due to the karma of our charts, and lives....

we are free, to go up, ... and improve our lives...

or we are free, to stagnate, to feed our senses, and follow our mistaken malefics...

and go down....

 

The choice is up to us....

 

 

Sincerely,

 

 

Mark Kincaid