2-Surya, re... Will planetary improvements help, other areas, too? Mark K. 7/7

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Dear Surya:

 

Remember one most important thing, and that is:

 

" Our planets are just symbolic of ourselves. "

 

The Sun represents our selves, 'I', and egos.

Our Moon's represent the emotional part of us.

Mercury represents our Intellects.

 

So, as we improve those planets we're really enlivening and strengthening those

parts of us.

 

Self-improvement is a very exciting and important part of life.

 

And, Jyotish has such a special slant on how to do that.

 

The Planets are like these great 'switches' that can help us facilitate change!

 

take care

 

 

Mark K.

 

 

 

Mark,

 

Thanks for the explanation .. another question that

comes to my mind is ... do we have to keep reinforcing

these modifications all our lives?

 

Or only when the dasa sets in? .. I have only seen

people trying to appease planets when a particular

dasa sets in ... but the fact remains that the planet

is always there in some part of our personality ...

so then is your method of modification aimed at

permanently altering that part of our personality that

a particular planet represents or to look for

modifications based on the ills that set in in a

particular dasa?

 

I find your views very enlightened .. thanks for ur

time !

 

 

 

--- m.kincaid wrote:

 

> Mark: Can these suggestion creep into other areas

> in addition to personality?

> Like finances, relations and destiny?

>

> Dear Surya:

>

> Definitely! If I've learned anything from Jyotish

> it's the inter-relatedness,

> between our Planets and our minds, Psychology and

> personality, and then, all

> the other aspects of our lives.

>

> In our charts, are also explained the exact ways in

> which all our planets

> interact, and then, go to influence all the many

> different areas of our life.

>

> So, for example, if we had Saturn & Mercury together

> in our 10th house, and

> Sani's been acting malefically.

>

> Then, if we were to be able to learn how to

> strengthen or improve Saturn's

> malefic status, into a more benefic and positive

> one; then, not only will

> career improve, but even Mercury, which is conjunct

> with Sani, will also

> improve.

>

> In fact, when I do people's charts, I tell them, the

> 'sign' that your Saturn is

> improving will be the more natural, balanced and

> healthy qualities of your

> Mercury and Intellect.

>

> Once Saturn begins improving then, Intellectual

> clarity of mind, and better

> decision makings will naturall result.

>

> That, not only will help career, but in this

> example, Saturn will stop

> negatively affecting one's 12th house, where debt

> and over expenditures come!

>

> Like this, every Astrological configuration in our

> charts, not only represents

> our nature, strengths and weaknesses; but,.... these

> same astrological

> configurations also express the many ways in which

> 'our' planets interact.

>

> Therefore if we really can learn to improve any

> planet, then, the natural

> result of that, will be self-improvement for

> ourselves, and then, in terms of

> the outer benefit of our relations, finances, and

> over-all life purpose!

>

> Great question!

>

>

> Ciao

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

>

>

> > surya vishnubhotla

> <surya_prakashv

>

> Re: 2-Surya, re...

> tension between Mars & Saturn....>> Mark K. 7/3

> Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:36:52 +0000

>

 

 

Mark,

 

Can these improvements and suggestions u make creep

into aspects outside personality as well? like

finances, relations and generally destiny???

 

--- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote:

 

> Hello Mark,

>

> Recently an astrologer told me that any horoscope in

> which mars and saturn mutually aspect each other

> (not

> necessarily 7th vision) spoil the horoscope and

> relegate it to mediocrity ...

>

> what is your take on this?

>

>

> Dear Surya:

>

> I find this a very archaic expression of old,

> limited Jyotish. In truth,

> we're meant to grow out of our limitations or

> weaknesses. My own

> contribution to Jyotish, is that our malefics, don't

> just represent our

> challenges or problems but, they also represent the

> very areas in which

> we're supposed to grow!

>

> If you were to go to an Ayurvedic doctor, he'd never

> say, you'll never get

> out of your pitta, problems!

>

> No, he'd say, you need to balance your pitta, and as

> you do this, then the

> pitta erruptions you're experienceing will diminish.

>

> But, I understand why these kinds of expressions get

> made. For many out of

> balance, or malefic functioning Mars certainly does

> reflect many problems

> especially in relations.

>

> The same kind of problems can be found for those who

> have Mars & Saturn in

> the same house, conjunct.

>

> But, the tension here, the rub, or the lesson to

> learn is how to balance or

> create more coordination between the silent, Saturn

> side of life, and the

> active, or dynamic side.

>

>

> Those who have these kinds of malefics, report that

> they have a kind of

> push, pull, tension between going and staying that

> frustrates them very

> much.

>

> However, I've told those individuals, that this is

> the nature of their

> problem and then, I give prescriptions to better

> enliven these two important

> aspects of life; ie. Saturn and Mars, and

> immediately this problem can be

> improved.

>

> Hope this helps

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

> Mark K.

>

>

>

> surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv

>

> Mon, 4 Jul 2005 05:36:57 -0700 (PDT)

>

> Ave!

>

>

> Hello Mark,

>

> Recently an astrologer told me that any horoscope in

> which mars and saturn mutually aspect each other

> (not

> necessarily 7th vision) spoil the horoscope and

> relegate it to mediocrity ...

>

> what is your take on this?

>

>

>

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Surya:

 

Forgot to anaswer your question about dasas.

 

The dasas represent the time periods where we're going to experience either,

the positives (benefics)of our charts, or the negatives, (or malefics).

 

Most people think the dasas, then, will either be black or white, like that.

 

However, I've also realized that the negative or malefic dasas, aren't just

about experiencing the karmic repercussions of our mistaken, malefics, they

also represent the opportunities to grow in these ways.

 

And, as I've learned this, it's even allowed me to experience more positively,

dasa periods, that used to be negative!

 

For example, I used to have a hard time with both Saturn & Moon dasas or

transits.

 

This of course, is probably due to my Moon & Saturn being together in my 12th

house, but also because my Moon was so small, with the Sun, in the 11th.

 

For a long while, I experienced every new Moon period as a great loneliness,

and emptyness, and it wasn't till I learned how to rest more during that most

inward part of the Moon's cycles, that, that energy stopped being so negative.

 

Same way with my Saturn. As I learned how to be more in-tune with Saturn,

then, it's transits and even dasas, became more tolerable, and then, eventually

more enjoyable, till, today, where I really love these Saturn, inward, times,

as great opportunities..

 

ciao

 

Mark

 

 

 

Mark,

 

Thanks for the explanation .. another question that

comes to my mind is ... do we have to keep reinforcing

these modifications all our lives?

 

Or only when the dasa sets in? .. I have only seen

people trying to appease planets when a particular

dasa sets in ... but the fact remains that the planet

is always there in some part of our personality ...

so then is your method of modification aimed at

permanently altering that part of our personality that

a particular planet represents or to look for

modifications based on the ills that set in in a

particular dasa?

 

I find your views very enlightened .. thanks for ur

time !

 

 

 

--- m.kincaid wrote:

 

> Mark: Can these suggestion creep into other areas

> in addition to personality?

> Like finances, relations and destiny?

>

> Dear Surya:

>

> Definitely! If I've learned anything from Jyotish

> it's the inter-relatedness,

> between our Planets and our minds, Psychology and

> personality, and then, all

> the other aspects of our lives.

>

> In our charts, are also explained the exact ways in

> which all our planets

> interact, and then, go to influence all the many

> different areas of our life.

>

> So, for example, if we had Saturn & Mercury together

> in our 10th house, and

> Sani's been acting malefically.

>

> Then, if we were to be able to learn how to

> strengthen or improve Saturn's

> malefic status, into a more benefic and positive

> one; then, not only will

> career improve, but even Mercury, which is conjunct

> with Sani, will also

> improve.

>

> In fact, when I do people's charts, I tell them, the

> 'sign' that your Saturn is

> improving will be the more natural, balanced and

> healthy qualities of your

> Mercury and Intellect.

>

> Once Saturn begins improving then, Intellectual

> clarity of mind, and better

> decision makings will naturall result.

>

> That, not only will help career, but in this

> example, Saturn will stop

> negatively affecting one's 12th house, where debt

> and over expenditures come!

>

> Like this, every Astrological configuration in our

> charts, not only represents

> our nature, strengths and weaknesses; but,.... these

> same astrological

> configurations also express the many ways in which

> 'our' planets interact.

>

> Therefore if we really can learn to improve any

> planet, then, the natural

> result of that, will be self-improvement for

> ourselves, and then, in terms of

> the outer benefit of our relations, finances, and

> over-all life purpose!

>

> Great question!

>

>

> Ciao

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

>

>

> > surya vishnubhotla

> <surya_prakashv

>

> Re: 2-Surya, re...

> tension between Mars & Saturn....>> Mark K. 7/3

> Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:36:52 +0000

>

 

 

Mark,

 

Can these improvements and suggestions u make creep

into aspects outside personality as well? like

finances, relations and generally destiny???

 

--- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote:

 

> Hello Mark,

>

> Recently an astrologer told me that any horoscope in

> which mars and saturn mutually aspect each other

> (not

> necessarily 7th vision) spoil the horoscope and

> relegate it to mediocrity ...

>

> what is your take on this?

>

>

> Dear Surya:

>

> I find this a very archaic expression of old,

> limited Jyotish. In truth,

> we're meant to grow out of our limitations or

> weaknesses. My own

> contribution to Jyotish, is that our malefics, don't

> just represent our

> challenges or problems but, they also represent the

> very areas in which

> we're supposed to grow!

>

> If you were to go to an Ayurvedic doctor, he'd never

> say, you'll never get

> out of your pitta, problems!

>

> No, he'd say, you need to balance your pitta, and as

> you do this, then the

> pitta erruptions you're experienceing will diminish.

>

> But, I understand why these kinds of expressions get

> made. For many out of

> balance, or malefic functioning Mars certainly does

> reflect many problems

> especially in relations.

>

> The same kind of problems can be found for those who

> have Mars & Saturn in

> the same house, conjunct.

>

> But, the tension here, the rub, or the lesson to

> learn is how to balance or

> create more coordination between the silent, Saturn

> side of life, and the

> active, or dynamic side.

>

>

> Those who have these kinds of malefics, report that

> they have a kind of

> push, pull, tension between going and staying that

> frustrates them very

> much.

>

> However, I've told those individuals, that this is

> the nature of their

> problem and then, I give prescriptions to better

> enliven these two important

> aspects of life; ie. Saturn and Mars, and

> immediately this problem can be

> improved.

>

> Hope this helps

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

> Mark K.

>

>

>

> surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv

>

> Mon, 4 Jul 2005 05:36:57 -0700 (PDT)

>

> Ave!

>

>

> Hello Mark,

>

> Recently an astrologer told me that any horoscope in

> which mars and saturn mutually aspect each other

> (not

> necessarily 7th vision) spoil the horoscope and

> relegate it to mediocrity ...

>

> what is your take on this?

>

>

>

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