Guest guest Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 Dear Friends/Subscribers: Here is another transcript of one of our “Doing Great Astrology” members that I thought you would enjoy seeing. In my own Astrology study, after I’d learned enough Jyotish I really learned much more by learning how to look at the real life examples, of real people and in the every day Transits of the Stars. In Rohit’s reading here (which we did over the IM), he didn’t really know his chart really well, which I like sometimes because I know the responses people give are very innocent and therefore, likely true. In Rohit’s chart he was born on Jan. 27th, 1981. He has his Sun in Capricorn, his Moon in Libra and his Rising sign is very interesting because in his chart he’s born exactly in the gap 00:51 minutes of 1 degree into Sagittarius. Pay special attention to what he says when I talk to him about whether he identifies more with his Sagittarius or Scorpio. The first goal in Astrology is to know exactly how our charts fit us. And, though Astrologers tend to talk more then we should, hehe, when I discovered that people got more benefit by learning how to put into their own words how they experience themselves and their charts that’s when I believe my Jyotish became much more profound! After we go through his chart, which can be done fairly quickly, already he’s knowing much more about why he’s the way he is. After this we go into what he wishes was different, improved or better in his life. The first goal of Jyotish or Astrology is to find ourselves in our charts. This means both the good and the bad. Jyotish has this connotation of goodness or Benefices and difficulties, challenges or problems in life; which are due to our Malefics. So, we want to move our understanding next to which of our planets are Benefic and which one’s acting malefically. Once we know this, then we can truly begin the process of life self-development or improvement through learning how to strengthen or develop any of our Malefics! If you have any questions about this example of “How to Do Great Astrology” just write in. Sincerely, Mark Kincaid PS…. Thank you Rohit for allowing us all to appreciate Jyotish more by using your chart as a great example! Well done! Rohit’s IM for benefit for other people to hear…. Mark Kincaid: okay..first let’s go over your date of birth details. You were born on Jan 27,1981, right? Mark Kincaid: At 4:24am Mark Kincaid: in Mumbai...India...? ro k: yes, ur right Mark Kincaid: Very good. Mark Kincaid: I notice however, that these birth details gives you a Rising Sign which is exactly in the gap between Sagittarius and Scorpio. You were born at only the 00:51 zero degrees or only 51 minutes of the 1st degree in Sag.. Mark Kincaid: so we should have to look at both Sagittarius & Scorpio to verify which fits you the more precisely ro k: ok Mark Kincaid: Alrighty… then..let’s begin… Mark Kincaid: First, remind me how well do you know your chart so far? Mark Kincaid: In other words, do you have the feeling yet that your chart fits you? ro k: I don’t know exactly ... ro k: I don’t know it so well, yet. Mark Kincaid: And, what is it you're basically.... interested in knowing more about? Mark Kincaid: Good,... being a novice...is sometimes better ro k: Please, explain about everything you can in general and present time. Mark Kincaid: Okay….number one,..thing is that Jyotish identifies that we all are basically a Sun, Moon and Rising Sign.... reality... Mark Kincaid: In other words these three symbolisms express the most fundamentally who we are... ro k: ok Mark Kincaid: And, in your chart...you've got the Sun in Capricorn, Moon in Libra... Mark Kincaid: and either a Scorpio or Sagittarius rising sign.. Mark Kincaid: or both! Mark Kincaid: being as you are probably on the cusp.... ro k: Sagittarius, and Scorpio…mmmm, okay.. Mark Kincaid: Now, let's start with Sun in Capricorn first... ro k: ok Mark Kincaid: Capricorns are highly ambitious, intense, and very accomplishment or goal oriented.... Mark Kincaid: Do you notice if any of this fits you? ro k: Ambitious, yes, deep, and have loads of goals, which change from time to time Mark Kincaid: good…. Mark Kincaid: well this is all because of your many planets in Capricorn...in addition to your Sun... Mark Kincaid: can you describe this even more....? Mark Kincaid: Can you describe with even more details about how you experience that highly ambitious, achievement oriented nature you recognize....? ro k: Let’s see….I aim for every thing big, neat and systematic. I don’t think that i am aiming too high. ro k: I start thinking how to do it, frame by frame. Mark Kincaid: well, your big goals..and ambitiousness are due to your many planets in Capricorn... Mark Kincaid: the good side of Capricorn is a highly ambitious, dynamic and progressive nature….this is very good ro k: is it? Mark Kincaid: yes, this is one of your strengths, you want to achieve, to accomplish and be more successful…that’s good… ro k: ok Mark Kincaid: And I love getting people to speak, because you can hear in their speech other parts of their charts too.. ro k: thats true. i need constant changes ( progress) Mark Kincaid: for example your words... " big.. " but everything " neat and systematic " connotates two different parts of your chart. The ‘big’ and ‘aiming high’ are two classic Capricorn expressions, while your simultaneous expression,…”but do everything neat and systematic” is not due to Capricorn but due to your Virgo ness. Mark Kincaid: and you do have 2 planets in Virgo...Later we’ll go into Virgo,… Mark Kincaid: So, tell me some of your big goals...so far...? ro k: My wish is to expand my business in different fields. New things ro k: Getting my present business change into modern concepts and clear cut accountability ro k: I aim high , but its very difficult to achieve them ro k: I don’t know why? Mark Kincaid: well, one of the things that Jyotish can help us learn Mark Kincaid: is how to distinguish...between our desires... Mark Kincaid: you know having them... Mark Kincaid: and achieving them...or our desires….. Mark Kincaid: as it turns out... our desires are a reflection, partly of our Mars'! Mark Kincaid: and your Mars is in that good place Capricorn... Mark Kincaid: where it's supposed to be Exalted! in Capricorn... ro k: ok Mark Kincaid: So, your Jyotish says this is the good part of your chart. Mark Kincaid: But, where and how we manifest or accomplish our goals and desires is due to our Saturn’s. And in your chart, your Saturn .is not as benefic as your Mars. Mark Kincaid: In your chart, your Saturn is in that Virgo energy and only 1 degree away from your Jupiter... Mark Kincaid: So, there'll be some kind of tension there between those two planets… ro k: yes, I see…. Mark Kincaid: which we'll get to later... Mark Kincaid: Okay...good so your Capricorn fits you! Mark Kincaid: So believe in yourself...believe in your dreams...in big things! Mark Kincaid: that'll keep you in touch with your God self, inside.. ro k: i hope yr not joking on me Mark Kincaid: who has only the best and the biggest for us! Mark Kincaid: No, not joking,… This is one of your greatest strengths or Benefices. And I tell people all the time as we know our Benefices and Malefics we should be embracing and learning how to utilize our Benefic strengths better. So, I’ll be encouraging you to understand your Mars nature more because it’s one of your greatest strengths. However, you need to learn to distinguish... between your big goals.. Mark Kincaid: and practical ways in which to fulfill those goals... Mark Kincaid: This by the way is where Saturn comes in. We’ll go into that more later… ro k: ok, Mark Kincaid: Alright then,…so…. your Sun fits….. very good… Mark Kincaid: now, let's talk about your Moon... ro k: ok Mark Kincaid: Your Moon's supposed to be in Libra, well at least the 1st degree...of Libra… Mark Kincaid: and Libra is very different then Capricorn... Mark Kincaid: Where Capricorn wants to achieve, and to be aggressive, with especially Mars there.... Mark Kincaid: Libra wants to be harmonious and to balance... Mark Kincaid: Libra loves balance and harmony and wants things to be smooth and non-confrontational! Mark Kincaid: Libra also has this ability to be objective,... to see both sides of any issue.... Mark Kincaid: Do any of these qualities fit you? ro k: Yes, yes…..I…. like to be away from any fights, loud noises, ... Mark Kincaid: anything else....? ro k: I like peace, lovely soothing music, Mark Kincaid: cool.. very good… Mark Kincaid: well all this is due to your good Moon in Libra, too, in your chart.... Mark Kincaid: So, here you are,…your Libra and Capricorn...natures… These are two of your most basic natures… Mark Kincaid: It’s important to know them because quite often as in your case, hey are sooo different... ro k: Well, I also do not feel agreeable if i don’t find the other person's point meaningful... Mark Kincaid: Ahh, that’s interesting. That may be due to your quite strong Mars nature too. In other words Mars is highly opinionated and where others are not in agreement with ourselves, sometimes we can resent or get irritated with them….for that… Mark Kincaid: In other words sometimes,…people with the strong Mars nature can be too highly opinionated and even angry when others don't agree with them! Mark Kincaid: hehhe ro k: I especially like lovely or jolly natured persons, full of life and at the same time carelfree especially about other persons reservations.... Mark Kincaid: Well, I believe this is partly due to that Libra part of your nature... Libra appreciates…..light heartedness. Mark Kincaid: So, very good,…now,…, let's talk about your Rising sign.. Mark Kincaid: Now, most people only have 1 rising sign…. Mark Kincaid: but in your case we need to look at 2 because you're so close to the cusp....between Sagittarius and Scorpio…. ro k: ok Mark Kincaid: now, let’s first talk about Sagittarius... Mark Kincaid: Sagittarians love knowledge... Mark Kincaid: They love learning and they have a very curious and creative nature... Mark Kincaid: Sagittarians love reading, they love learning, their curiosity makes them very interesting people and they love to travel... Mark Kincaid: in the World... Mark Kincaid: as well as in the mind! Mark Kincaid: So, does any of this fit you? ro k: Ha ha. VERY true. I read a lot ro k: I Love to know about many things .And I am always eager to learn more and more…. Mark Kincaid: cool...very good…. Mark Kincaid: well this sounds like your Sagittarius rising...nature….too ro k: Remember, I told u that i want to chat on too many things with u Mark Kincaid: Yes, I remember. So, this is probably due to that Sagittarius but could also be due to your Moon in Libra which is very sociable too…. The curiosity part, however, the part that loves to learn, this is especially Sagittarius’ style or energy… ro k: I want to cash in on your experience too….. Mark Kincaid: Again, listen to your exact words, they will reveal your chart to you. When you say I want to cash in on your experience too…. 2 different parts of your chart speak to me. “I want to cash in”…is so Marish….strong, dynamic and wanting to take advantage of things.. But, there’s also something else there, a kind of humbleness, which I believe may be related to your Sagittarius rising nature or your Jupiter in the 10th house, which is another of your Benefices, or strengths…. Mark Kincaid: But, now, let’s talk about the other part of your Rising sign, the Scorpio, part….,...See Mark Kincaid: Scorpio feels fairly intensely about what one believes in... Mark Kincaid: In other words....Scorpios...are highly opinionated... Mark Kincaid: they have strong beliefs.... and sentiments... Mark Kincaid: and sometimes even, get themselves a little bent out of shape when others don't agree with them....! Mark Kincaid: Does in of this fit you? ro k: I,…. Mean,…. I believe in giving off my personal statements.... yes ro k: And sometimes even, I do get a little bent out of shape when others don't agree with me...!--- well a little bit anyway…. Mark Kincaid: okay...good…now… Mark Kincaid: that 'little bit' is probably due to your Scorpio on the cusp... Mark Kincaid: So, let’s talk about that... ro k: But,…NOT too strongly - I rather prefer to listen, hear and observe and then correct myself Mark Kincaid: Well, Scorpio is the Sign.... that stands up for what is right in life.. Mark Kincaid: therefore people with Scorpio, and have strong Scorpio energy are the one's to remind us all about what’s right in life… Mark Kincaid: They, therefore, make great crusaders.... Mark Kincaid: and their only lesson is to not take their convictions to a point of strangling others... Well, so far, it seems to me that your chart is very accurate. Not only does your Sun in Capricorn fit you, but your Moon in Libra too… And even this slightly dual rising sign nature of having both Sagittarius and Scorpio tendencies at the same time is accurate. You even notice that your Sagittarius is slightly stronger. This is a natural verification of the fact that your Rising is beginning to move into Sagittarius. This is important because if your time was really born a few minutes earlier then you’d be at the end of Scorpio instead of the end of Sagittarius. This then, would give you a more strong Scorpio side instead of the Sagittarius part…. Very good… ro k: okay, I see…. ro k: And Jupiter, and Saturn? Mark Kincaid: We’ll talk about them soon…. Mark Kincaid: So, le’t review….now you can see your Capricorn...nature Mark Kincaid: You also can understand your Libra...quality too…. Mark Kincaid: even your slightly dual,...two at the same time, Mark Kincaid: Sagittarius and Scorpio nature... ro k: yes, you’re right Mark Kincaid: So, very good, this now begins to verify very clearly that your chart is fitting you….very good… Mark Kincaid: Now, next thing I like to do is go into your greatest strengths....! Mark Kincaid: The #1 best planet according to your chart, is your Exalted Mars...in Capricorn.... ro k: I see….I note that. Mark Kincaid: okay...you need to know that's your best strength ro k: how can it help me then? Mark Kincaid: It helps knowing that this is your strength... Mark Kincaid: I would encourage you to study Mar more.. Mark Kincaid: Mars after all is very courageous! Mark Kincaid: Therefore you're meant to teach people about courage.... Mark Kincaid: like that... ro k: That’s interesting because I thought my mars only has created blunders in my real estate business. ro k: Can u put more light on MARS???? Mark Kincaid: Well, Mars too can naturally create problems, but we need to investigate whether even your very good Mars is the real source of your challenges or difficulties…So, let’s review first…....all about mars... Mark Kincaid: Mars is courageous.... Mark Kincaid: Mars is enthusiastic.... Mark Kincaid: Mars stands up for what is right in life... Mark Kincaid: Mars is firm, strong, and naturally aggressive.... ro k: Interesting…now, it occurs to me,…the majority of these qualities I do feel Ihave.right in life...Firm, strong... Mark Kincaid: very good..very good…. These then, are good confirmations that you not only have a good Mars but you’re using it correctly. ro k: yea Mark Kincaid: well you're supposed to be a champion for life.. Mark Kincaid: and that inspiring quality is one of your strengths... ro k: i think u re blushing me…. ro k: LOL... ro k: Ha ha. Mark Kincaid: We all should know our strengths. They’re those parts of us where we’re doing right and getting our positive life experiences from… you know …doing good….so it's good for you to know this.. ro k: good for me. Mark Kincaid: yes... ro k: But I have a very short temper...? Mark Kincaid: Ahh, well that’s a example where your strong Mars may be also creating impatience. Sometimes when we have a good planet sometimes we try and rely on it too much,…for example those with good Mars’ at work, come home and expect their wives and children to get into line, like at work,… which just doesn’t work…. In such examples, having just a good Mars is not enough. For example, in your chart, you’ve got this good Mars but not such a strong Saturn. And, Saturn represents impatience… And, that may be really why you’re being impatient. The short tempered part comes then due partly to Saturn and partly because your Mars is very strong. So, the solution is to decide NOT to be too short tempered. As you appreciate and grow within Saturn’s positive nature and qualities, you’ll be able to be less short tempered! Mark Kincaid: Now, the 2nd good planet in your chart I see is your Moon in Libra... Mark Kincaid: Not only is Moon in Libra good,... Mark Kincaid: but together Mars and Moon/Libra will make for a good...balance... Mark Kincaid: without the Libra, the Mars may have a tendency to be too intense... Mark Kincaid: So, that's your 2nd good planet.. Mark Kincaid: and therefore take advantage of it, or use it more often too... Mark Kincaid: stay in the harmony... ro k: I'll remember that. Mark Kincaid: The final planet I like is the placement of your Jupiter... Mark Kincaid: We haven't talked about it yet, but your Jupiter is well placed in the 10th House... Mark Kincaid: it's in a very good house, lord of the 1st house Sagittarius... Mark Kincaid: and well placed there...in the 10th house Mark Kincaid: Jupiter gives good luck, it gives teaching abilities.... ro k: ???? Mark Kincaid: do you have any teaching aspirations....yet? ro k: not yet. ro k: I aspire to learn , hahaha Mark Kincaid: any inclination to teach? ro k: not yet. Don't even think of that….... Mark Kincaid: okay...you could....maybe sometime in future... ro k: maybe Mark Kincaid: Well, flow through that part of you that at least likes to learn. That by the way is one of the signs of a positive Jupiter too! Mark Kincaid: Now, let's talk about those planets that are the weakest and potentially giving you the most trouble...in your chart… ro k: Please ...do…. Mark Kincaid: the biggest problematic planet I see is Saturn... Mark Kincaid: Saturn means " lessons of " ... Mark Kincaid: and Saturn's in Virgo... Mark Kincaid: which means lessons of ... Mark Kincaid: Virgo ness... Mark Kincaid: and Saturn's only 1 degree away from your very important Jupiter.. Mark Kincaid: Do you have a sense sometimes,...that things aren't progressing as easily...or as smoothly as you'd like...? ro k: Exactly. Now that I have been going through hell, I feel non of my work no matter how silly, can go smoothly….. ro k: I have experienced…. lots of hardships. ro k: Have to work a lot, and have to bear loads of pains too. ro k: I get exhausted.. Mark Kincaid: pain? Mark Kincaid: what kind? ro k: I mean have to bear with fights, depressions, low moral, mild insults, wickedness, some dirty politics Mark Kincaid: okay....very good…let’s now examine these and see exactly where they are coming from… ro k: I mean, also… by the greater efforts, manipulations etc.. Mark Kincaid: Okay….now let’s first discuss Saturn. Saturn does represent lots of grief, depression... etc.... Mark Kincaid: but fights, insults, dirty politics...those are all typical Mars words Mark Kincaid: which may also be going on... ro k: Yes… I see… Mark Kincaid: But, let's first talk a little bit about Saturn Mark Kincaid: because Saturn represents a very important planet for you,... ro k: yes. Mark Kincaid: especially because of your very strong Mars.... ro k: its the biggest…one I think too…. Mark Kincaid: Saturn represents balance.... the importance of rest... to be added to the cycle of activity.... Mark Kincaid: When we don't take good enough care of our rest cycle... Mark Kincaid: then all manners of grief can come to us, because basically we're out of balance.... Mark Kincaid: Saturn normally is thought of as the planet of grief, lessons and struggles.. Mark Kincaid: but in truth he's really the planet of patience, balance and inner peace... ro k: I’ve,…..heard that Mark Kincaid: if we don't have enough inner Saturn poise...then the grief side of Saturn comes…. ro k: Ok Mark Kincaid: then we get the outer...Saturn pain.... Mark Kincaid: pain too is one of Saturn's negative signs... Mark Kincaid: What is the body trying to tell us....? Mark Kincaid: More relief! more rest, more healing...more yoga asanas! and that pain will go away! ro k: Is it! I'll tell u something in the end then. ro k: Wow, that’s good news….. Mark Kincaid: okay...so recognize that all these examples of grief,...of depression....of set backs, ..of impatience.. Mark Kincaid: all these are signs of a malefic functioning...Saturn.... ro k: ok Mark Kincaid: So, this is the planet that's the most important for you to study Mark Kincaid: and grow within Saturn's positive side... Mark Kincaid: You do this one thing...and it'll affect much about your life... Mark Kincaid: The key to fulfilling your great Mars goals is not in just haveing your desires or ambitions... Mark Kincaid: but in learning how to achieve them... ro k: How can I do that? Please guide me. Can you elaborate this more please...? Mark Kincaid: Sure….... Mark Kincaid: for example, moving ahead... Mark Kincaid: taking a first step...normally we think is due to a first Mars movement. Mars moves, takes steps, acts and achieves….. Mark Kincaid: but in truth...that step forward is..due to first planting a step on the ground.. Mark Kincaid: that first step, securing it first...is in actuality a Saturn step. Mark Kincaid: First we place or plant our first step....and then the 2nd step moves forward... ro k: That’s a deep thought. I agree Mark Kincaid: So, if we're encountering problems in life,... many, many of them Mark Kincaid: are due to not being settled,...planted as if deeper within.... Mark Kincaid: The more grounded, silent we are... Mark Kincaid: the more the right thought and action moves forth.... Mark Kincaid: Mars represents activity and dynamism.. Mark Kincaid: but Saturn represents silence and stillness... ro k: Ok Mark Kincaid: In life we need to integrate both of them together.... ro k: I am getting that Mark Kincaid: So, put attention on Saturn.... explore what you can do to literally improve your Saturn... Mark Kincaid: I've even written a very good 40 page treatise on Saturn... Mark Kincaid: that you can receive.... ro k: I know that. Mark Kincaid: good. then put attention on Saturn... ro k: I wish to , indeed , need to readthat in yr FILES Mark Kincaid: any grief, depression, pain, setbacks... and all those.. Mark Kincaid: are Saturn telling you...you need to grow within...Saturn's purer silent nature..... Mark Kincaid: I've made that Saturn article I've written, which is quite comprehensive...42 pages actually…. Mark Kincaid: available to people for a small $ 5.00 donation..... ro k: I can do that. ro k: I'll get that copy for me from u. Mark Kincaid: It's not anywhere... Mark Kincaid: I'm selling it as an e-remedy... Mark Kincaid: No problem, you get it by sending money to paypal and then I'll send to you.... ro k: I need to pay u by credit card, right? Mark Kincaid: If you have one.... I have a paypal.com account.. Mark Kincaid: you send to: kincaidmark Mark Kincaid: and I'll get it... Mark Kincaid: paypal will contact me... Mark Kincaid: though I think they accept cash and checks too...? ro k: Very good I will…. Mark Kincaid: Remember though that Mars is good and inclines you to prefer always being busy. But, Mars is not enough. It’s like always wanting to keep moving the feet vs. regularly planting some of them! hehe Mark Kincaid: So, this is the first analysis of your chart... Mark Kincaid: your chart fits you! Mark Kincaid: you have now your main strengths...and your main weakness ro k: yes, it is very clear…. Mark Kincaid: and your only real one, singular problem....is that Saturn, so that’s pretty good… Mark Kincaid: So, now instead of just having your desires and wishing and hoping and chasing them into the World.. Mark Kincaid: my suggestion is for you is to put 1) Put Achieving more understanding and balance with Saturn as your first #1 goal... Mark Kincaid: each day...to grow within... Mark Kincaid: to develop more composure, patience....and inner settled ness...And see that your Mars desires and goals get more fulfilled… ro k: Thanks for that valuable suggestion. Mark Kincaid: will go a long way at giving you, with your actual ability to achieve your goals! Mark Kincaid: the results will be the elimination of our grief, struggles and suffering... ro k: But you posses the right knowledge, due to long study and experiences Mark Kincaid: Sure, and that’s why I’m helping….Now… What I'd love to do is.. track...for you and see if this suggestion helps you... Mark Kincaid: so maybe start a journal...and keep track of what you go through... Mark Kincaid: and especially any Saturn remedies that you try...and see if that makes a difference.... ro k: Great Mark Kincaid: but you can focus on improving just this one planet and that'll not be too difficult! ro k: In that case, I'll also be able to track my growth... Mark Kincaid: that's right... Mark Kincaid: the brillance of the Vedic-Jyotish insight... Mark Kincaid: is where we have our malefics.. Mark Kincaid: we're presently thinking incorrectly.... Mark Kincaid: and yet, we don't even realize this.. Mark Kincaid: So, to discover this... Mark Kincaid: to learn how to improve our thinking in the direct area of our malefics... Mark Kincaid: is really one of the greatest benefits of good Jyotish... Mark Kincaid: and the signs of this solution...will be the literal elimination of your grief, sad experiences, difficulties, problems and even depression....! ro k: Its a great science…., thank you very much… Like this our charts can be understood. We each need to understand each one of the Astrological configurations in our charts. Then, we need to understand which one of them are our Benefices, and responsible for the good things in our lives and which one’s are acting malefically and literally causing any and all of our problems. The solution to all problems in Jyotish then, lies in the ability to change any malefic planet also, into a strength. In later emails, we follow Rohit’s experiences, and the remedies that he tries and we’ll see in his real life experiences the positive results that will come! Sincerely, Mark Kincaid Copywrited. Do not duplicate or publish without expressed permission of the author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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