Guest guest Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 Mark, these were some of my other responses..I MUST say that writing this paper for my daughter was as eye openeing as I expected it to be. And, I'm also VERY grateful for everyone's input, especially the Vedic Astrology point of view. Although my daughter didn't want me putting " Mars " in her paper ( ;-) ), as a beginning Jyotish student, the information was invaluable. I also thoroughly agree with you concerning meditation. I began TM in 1974 when there was a place across from my High School and next to a nursing home I volunteered at. Because of my genetic disorder, although I was 14, I looked like a 7 or 8 year old...BUT, the folks at the TM center took me under their wing and taught me the basics--well, before I got caught by my mother !! I " fell away " from meditation for a few years, but would go back and forth--practice for awhile, then something would change in my life, and I'd stop again. NOW, I've been practicing meditation on a daily basis for 6 years--EXCEPT for the first 3-4 months following my fiance's death--I couldn't concentrate on anything nevermond meditate. When I was diagnosed last year with cancer, it " prodded " me back inot my practice--and I Thank the Divine Mother for blessing me with the knowledge I DO have and for guiding me to this study of Jyotish. NOW, I've been working on this paper for almost 2 weeks, time for elaine to get back to my Graha's, Bhava's and Rashi's. Namaste!! elaineDear Elaine: You seem like a very special person and I've very happy to have you in our groups. I have to say that since I've been studying Jyotish and especially Saturn I've come to realize every day getting my meditations in is a great, crucial positive Saturn thing for us to do.I tell people all the time to meditate. The whole knowledge and history of meditation is crucial for understanding and appreciating the Saturn side of life.Now, I understand why I was both attracted to meditation in the first place butwhy it was hard for me, especially to be regular. When I was born I had my Moon and Saturn together in the 12th house of loss and not only did I suffer under classic emotional or Moon loss I also was much at lost with the knowledge and appreciation of Saturn.In fact, when I first heard from one of my first meditation teachers that: " Rest was the basis of activity... " I was quite shocked. That conept seemed so very foreign to me... hehehNow, having made even a career study of meditation, stress and rest I can say I really appreciate Saturn more!heeheWelcome again. Look forward to your thoughts, emails, experiences and questions. Sincerely,Mark KincaidPS... Have you found my new website yet? It's at:www..com " Mr. Das Goravani " das (AT) goravani (DOT) com> reply-to valist to " valist " valist > I am mostly aware of Hindu and Irish Mythological Hero and HeroinIn these, and knowing what I know of Jyotish, you could say that a Hero(in)is made by the combination ofGoodness of causeStrength in actionFearlessness against oddsStands for some common causeThe last one is an odd one. If a person has the others, but is acting onsome matter nobody cares about, or worse, dislikes greatly, then they arenever a hero. Take for example someone who guards in a valorous and braveway a highly placed cocaine drug lord in Columbia. Nobody will ever muchcall them a hero, ever. (I¹m aware of the culture of glorifying these mendown there in song etc., it¹s still a good example)Jesus is classic. Liberating a people, saving a religion, saving all soulsforever from death, righting our deal with the supreme god, gave his ownlife, stood up to Rome.Planetarily, this is:The hero is most often a Mercury figure- young, close to the Sun or King orsome leader great, carrying a message or leading a battle, Mars comes inbecause there is usually great action and often it¹s militaristic in nature,or confrontational at least, and there is often Jupiter, the righteousnessof cause, sometimes law, religions and priests are involved from thisJupiterian angle.So a Hero is usually a combination of the Male Planets, Sun, Mars, Jupiterand packaged in Mercury.The other main set of planets, the feminine, outcaste type, less power type,are the friends Saturn, Mercury and Venus. In the court, these are thewoman, the boy, the old man worker. They are nothing compared to the King,Minister/Advisor, and General. The big boys verse the little people.Heroes of the Saturn side variety are more like Mother Theresa, StBernadette of Lourdes, Mary Magdalene, any hero who was known for beingsweet and soft, there are tons. Not all heroes are of the male type, butmany are the martyrs, the woman, the ones who stood against male dominance,the ones who were trod upong and outcasted but won anyway. Tom Hanks in³Philadelphia². A Hero in the end is one who shines, triumphs over, makes it through greatodds, thus attainment against odds, which in most basic essense meansSuccess for the Life Force over it¹s challengesThus a Hero inspires the fight for survival, is our icon of success andsurvivalThus the element of Mars, to power over, and we want to love ourselves, sowe like ³good² heroes hence the Jupiter element, or we side with underdogswho rise up so sometimes it¹s the Saturnian hero, the one who escapes barelyalive from the concentration camp only to go home to live a great life.³Heaven and Earth² by Oliver Stone.Peace and Happiness to allRickyRichard Edward Wurstaka Das Goravani ----- Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar reply-to dateMar 24, 2007 12:57 AM subjectRe: Heroes Elaine,we must see it out of the novelist, or celluloid images of a hero.In real life people who champion the cause of nature, care givers=who nurse people in any form be it physical or financial or emotional with no expectation of reward, name or part of any institution that does these works anyway.some tokenism is no use but full commitment to such things can be classified as one.the Jaipur Leg inventor in India a doc from Jaipur helped many land mines and accident victims, the world over, like wise the gates foundation is a good example after achieving a lot of wealth have put mack money to care giving projects without no tint of religion or self image/gain there is coordination of other organisations to it. say HIV /AIDS other celebrities too are doing it not full time.sports people from 3rd world despite poverty discrimination , odds have risen to show their fol some alternative to suffering. great writers, thinkers fromsuch places too have done their bitI am not sure if this is enough hope others add their bit.Best wishes ------------------------------ David LaGrone dvdlagr (AT) valornet (DOT) com to valist dateMar 24, 2007 11:51 AM subjectRe:Heroes Namaste, Elaine. May Lord Ganesh remove all obstacles from your path and grant you peace and prosperity! I am currently reading Deepak Chopra's book, " The Book of Secrets " . IMHO, this is a workbook for one's spiritual development with no " should " 's relating to what the outcome is – except to become a more " aware " person. On pages 152-155 of this book, he provides an overview of a model of 10 levels of consciousness which each of us operates within, albeit UNconsciously for the most part. One of these levels is what he calls " Myths and Archetypes " . It is at this level of consciousness that each of us creates " our story " of who we are and how we got that way, drawing on myths and archetypes from a myriad of sources; e.g., historical figures (cultural " heros " and " heroines " ), familial relations (mother, father, grandfather, grandmother, etc.), political (war heros, presidents, images of firemen, police, and others from events such as 9/11), religious (God, Jesus, Krishna, Radha, Allah, Osiris, Maya Angelou, Billy Graham, etc.). Yet, none of these are who WE really are; for I am my own hero. Each cell of my body looks to be as a " god " to provide for my body all the things that it needs to keep it going. And, of course, this list gets rather long, too. One of my favorite writers and philosophers is Joseph Campbell who wrote extensively about the concept of heroes and heroines. I appreciate you opening us to your daughter's project; and would be highly honored to receive a copy of her paper. For, afterall, it will be a whole different perspective on heros and heroines from what I have and a valued source of personal understanding. Thanks for bring this to my attention. Namaste, David **********************************************Elaine M Gardner570-253-7812Aum Shantih:*********************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 Hi again Mark--yes, I also have Mo in 12th house..Sa is in 6th, BUT... I've been told several different things pertaining to my chart--and just recently found I can't be sure of my birthdata---SO, until and IF I can find out exactly when I was born (I'm sure about the day--and within 45 miles of WHERE--the time--no idea), I'll have to wait and see. I'll be going back into the hospital AGAIN next Tues, possibly for awhile. My CA125 results weren't good today, so, we've got to see if we can find out where the little devils are invading me THIS time... HOPEFULLY, the nurses will let me sneak in computer time. heheee, even if I have to " trade off " --they like " sneaking " time in on my laptop when I'm there too--except THEY get on here and play games...AFTER patient care of course . Normally I also had my PSP as a back-up--can go online with that and everyone just thought I was playing video games--BUT, my son lost his, so, he got mine for his birthday a few weeks ago. (The nurses will be VERY disappointed . I'll work something out so I can keep up with everything . May I ask a favor--perhaps I missed it somewhere--but I'm a little confused (my normal state of mind anyways --can you explain exactly what Sade-Sati, (Sati-Sani, Sade-Sani??) is please? I've read 3 different explanations--or maybe I'm misunderstanding something... Namaste!!elainePrayer=Talking to GodMeditation=Listening to HimOn 05 Apr 2007 13:51:26 -0700, markkincaid <markkincaid wrote: Mark, these were some of my other responses..I MUST say that writing this paper for my daughter was as eye openeing as I expected it to be. And, I'm also VERY grateful for everyone's input, especially the Vedic Astrology point of view. Although my daughter didn't want me putting " Mars " in her paper ( ;-) ), as a beginning Jyotish student, the information was invaluable. I also thoroughly agree with you concerning meditation. I began TM in 1974 when there was a place across from my High School and next to a nursing home I volunteered at. Because of my genetic disorder, although I was 14, I looked like a 7 or 8 year old...BUT, the folks at the TM center took me under their wing and taught me the basics--well, before I got caught by my mother !! I " fell away " from meditation for a few years, but would go back and forth--practice for awhile, then something would change in my life, and I'd stop again. NOW, I've been practicing meditation on a daily basis for 6 years--EXCEPT for the first 3-4 months following my fiance's death--I couldn't concentrate on anything nevermond meditate. When I was diagnosed last year with cancer, it " prodded " me back inot my practice--and I Thank the Divine Mother for blessing me with the knowledge I DO have and for guiding me to this study of Jyotish. NOW, I've been working on this paper for almost 2 weeks, time for elaine to get back to my Graha's, Bhava's and Rashi's. Namaste!! elaineDear Elaine: You seem like a very special person and I've very happy to have you in our groups. I have to say that since I've been studying Jyotish and especially Saturn I've come to realize every day getting my meditations in is a great, crucial positive Saturn thing for us to do.I tell people all the time to meditate. The whole knowledge and history of meditation is crucial for understanding and appreciating the Saturn side of life.Now, I understand why I was both attracted to meditation in the first place butwhy it was hard for me, especially to be regular. When I was born I had my Moon and Saturn together in the 12th house of loss and not only did I suffer under classic emotional or Moon loss I also was much at lost with the knowledge and appreciation of Saturn.In fact, when I first heard from one of my first meditation teachers that: " Rest was the basis of activity... " I was quite shocked. That conept seemed so very foreign to me... hehehNow, having made even a career study of meditation, stress and rest I can say I really appreciate Saturn more!heeheWelcome again. Look forward to your thoughts, emails, experiences and questions. Sincerely,Mark KincaidPS... Have you found my new website yet? It's at:www..com " Mr. Das Goravani " > reply-to valist to " valist " valist > I am mostly aware of Hindu and Irish Mythological Hero and HeroinIn these, and knowing what I know of Jyotish, you could say that a Hero(in)is made by the combination ofGoodness of causeStrength in actionFearlessness against oddsStands for some common causeThe last one is an odd one. If a person has the others, but is acting onsome matter nobody cares about, or worse, dislikes greatly, then they arenever a hero. Take for example someone who guards in a valorous and braveway a highly placed cocaine drug lord in Columbia. Nobody will ever muchcall them a hero, ever. (I¹m aware of the culture of glorifying these mendown there in song etc., it¹s still a good example)Jesus is classic. Liberating a people, saving a religion, saving all soulsforever from death, righting our deal with the supreme god, gave his ownlife, stood up to Rome.Planetarily, this is:The hero is most often a Mercury figure- young, close to the Sun or King orsome leader great, carrying a message or leading a battle, Mars comes inbecause there is usually great action and often it¹s militaristic in nature,or confrontational at least, and there is often Jupiter, the righteousnessof cause, sometimes law, religions and priests are involved from thisJupiterian angle.So a Hero is usually a combination of the Male Planets, Sun, Mars, Jupiterand packaged in Mercury.The other main set of planets, the feminine, outcaste type, less power type,are the friends Saturn, Mercury and Venus. In the court, these are thewoman, the boy, the old man worker. They are nothing compared to the King,Minister/Advisor, and General. The big boys verse the little people.Heroes of the Saturn side variety are more like Mother Theresa, StBernadette of Lourdes, Mary Magdalene, any hero who was known for beingsweet and soft, there are tons. Not all heroes are of the male type, butmany are the martyrs, the woman, the ones who stood against male dominance,the ones who were trod upong and outcasted but won anyway. Tom Hanks in³Philadelphia². A Hero in the end is one who shines, triumphs over, makes it through greatodds, thus attainment against odds, which in most basic essense meansSuccess for the Life Force over it¹s challengesThus a Hero inspires the fight for survival, is our icon of success andsurvivalThus the element of Mars, to power over, and we want to love ourselves, sowe like ³good² heroes hence the Jupiter element, or we side with underdogswho rise up so sometimes it¹s the Saturnian hero, the one who escapes barelyalive from the concentration camp only to go home to live a great life.³Heaven and Earth² by Oliver Stone.Peace and Happiness to allRickyRichard Edward Wurstaka Das Goravani ----- Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar reply-to dateMar 24, 2007 12:57 AM subjectRe: Heroes Elaine,we must see it out of the novelist, or celluloid images of a hero.In real life people who champion the cause of nature, care givers=who nurse people in any form be it physical or financial or emotional with no expectation of reward, name or part of any institution that does these works anyway.some tokenism is no use but full commitment to such things can be classified as one.the Jaipur Leg inventor in India a doc from Jaipur helped many land mines and accident victims, the world over, like wise the gates foundation is a good example after achieving a lot of wealth have put mack money to care giving projects without no tint of religion or self image/gain there is coordination of other organisations to it. say HIV /AIDS other celebrities too are doing it not full time.sports people from 3rd world despite poverty discrimination , odds have risen to show their fol some alternative to suffering. great writers, thinkers fromsuch places too have done their bitI am not sure if this is enough hope others add their bit.Best wishes ------------------------------ David LaGrone dvdlagr to valist dateMar 24, 2007 11:51 AM subjectRe:Heroes Namaste, Elaine. May Lord Ganesh remove all obstacles from your path and grant you peace and prosperity! I am currently reading Deepak Chopra's book, " The Book of Secrets " . IMHO, this is a workbook for one's spiritual development with no " should " 's relating to what the outcome is – except to become a more " aware " person. On pages 152-155 of this book, he provides an overview of a model of 10 levels of consciousness which each of us operates within, albeit UNconsciously for the most part. One of these levels is what he calls " Myths and Archetypes " . It is at this level of consciousness that each of us creates " our story " of who we are and how we got that way, drawing on myths and archetypes from a myriad of sources; e.g., historical figures (cultural " heros " and " heroines " ), familial relations (mother, father, grandfather, grandmother, etc.), political (war heros, presidents, images of firemen, police, and others from events such as 9/11), religious (God, Jesus, Krishna, Radha, Allah, Osiris, Maya Angelou, Billy Graham, etc.). Yet, none of these are who WE really are; for I am my own hero. Each cell of my body looks to be as a " god " to provide for my body all the things that it needs to keep it going. And, of course, this list gets rather long, too. One of my favorite writers and philosophers is Joseph Campbell who wrote extensively about the concept of heroes and heroines. I appreciate you opening us to your daughter's project; and would be highly honored to receive a copy of her paper. For, afterall, it will be a whole different perspective on heros and heroines from what I have and a valued source of personal understanding. Thanks for bring this to my attention. Namaste, David **********************************************Elaine M Gardner570-253-7812Aum Shantih:*********************************************** -- **********************************************Elaine M Gardner570-253-7812Aum Shantih:*********************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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