Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Venketesan ur post is not right , max partly only Major planets, Guru, Sani, are in same sign as 60 yrs ago and sun if same month is taken there is nothing spl of tamil panchanga all Hindu -vedic panchangs follow that 60 yr cycle only diff is tamils mostly use diff Vakya panchangams more than drik drik is 1+0-2 Vakya is u can attribute anyting to a said position it is what a family of astrologer has said no corrections r made by many of them as in vakya itself u find many varients drik will be consistant Vakya is also right if corrections r taken regularly all festivals are done in Vakya dates Vakya has no retrogression dates also it takes the time a planet finally moves to next sign in between athichara, next sign entry, sthira, vakra then sthira and then back to normal motions are all skipped just the last date when we see in drik as the date it is going to next sign some take that dates [if corected else many differ wildly take an eclipse from a vakya panchange and see the time they give is mostly erratic, eclipse is over a drik one gives u near perfect one. best wishes G B Prashant Kumar Pl give personal data with some verifable life events with dates=jobs, marriage, family, kids, high/low times. Picture or 2 to personal ID pkgoteti, for Lagna features check. Services of this astrologer in the group only are free, personal consultations ARE CHARGEABLE! Mobile 09840051861 Chennai, India Venkatesh S <ksvssvk vedic astrology Cc: dakshinastrologer Wednesday, July 11, 2007 4:25:45 PM [vedic astrology] Tamil Panchang JAI SRIRAM Dear Sri.Dakshinamoorthi , According to Tamil Panchang,there are 60 years,as per this Tamil Panchang Vakya syatem is calculated the planetry positions, so for every 60 years the same planetry positions are repeated as per Vakya system. Is it really correct and how Drik has different from this? Thanks, Venkatesh.S. ------------ --------- --------- --- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Dear Shri. Prashant: You have explained it nicely. Vaakya means " formulae " . Vaakya panchangs are calculated based on ancient siddhanta aphorisms. Due to the precession of equinoxes and other celestial and intra-planetary influences, there have been differences between the vaakya longitudes and actual observed longitudes of planets. In ancient India, there was a system of correcting those positions by taking measurement with gnomons (the magic wand type of short stick you might see Namboodri astrologers carrying with them! - to measure equinoctical shadow on a day). If such a correction is applied to vaakya statements, you will arrive at the exact drig ganitha sputams of the planets. However, all this is not necessary now-a-days with exact longitudes being given in ephemerides and various Drik-based almanacs. These are correct astronomically. In fact, even temples should be encouraged to follow the drik ganitha based panchangs only for festivals because there are clear rules regarding determination of various festivals based on astronomical phenomena (like what time a thithi should operate for a festival or fast to be celebrated on a particular day). As Vaakyas sometimes vary too much from drik-ganitha positions, the thithi itself might differ leading to error in important festivals/ fasts. A normal aspirant may not find much difference in this; but those in advanced stages of mantra shastra cannot afford to ignore such discrepancies because there are certain karanas (half of thithi) which are known to be dangerous for practices like kaaya siddhi, parakaaya pravesham, etc. If such a practitioner is misled to practise his experiments in dangerous karanas due to the wrong panchang, the results can be disastrous. Even for the common man relying on the panchang, it can make him follow the days wrongly (for instance, ashtami might have begun already while the vaakya may still persist with sapthami thithi; the common believer might assume the day is good while in fact the ugra thithi might have commenced to his detriment). The list is endless.... It is in the best interests of everyone to follow Drik-ganitha based panchags with chitra-paksha ayanamasa (which comes most near the perfect values; the ayanamsa is another vexed issue with countless values being propounded by various experts; chitra paksha ayanamasa by Lahiri et tal is the generally accepted one; at least the errors if any will be marginal and can be attributed to Hand of God if at all they occur!) Blessed be Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology , Me Shubha Vela <pkgoteti wrote: > > Venketesan > > ur post is not right , max partly > > only Major planets, Guru, Sani, are in same sign as 60 yrs ago and sun if same month is taken there is nothing spl of tamil panchanga all Hindu -vedic panchangs follow that 60 yr cycle > > only diff is tamils mostly use diff Vakya panchangams more than drik > > drik is 1+0-2 Vakya is u can attribute anyting to a said position it is what a family of astrologer has said no corrections r made by many of them as in vakya itself u find many varients > > drik will be consistant > > Vakya is also right if corrections r taken regularly all festivals are done in Vakya dates > > Vakya has no retrogression dates also it takes the time a planet finally moves to next sign in between athichara, next sign entry, sthira, vakra then sthira and then back to normal motions are all skipped just the last date when we see in drik as the date it is going to next sign some take that dates [if corected else many differ wildly take an eclipse from a vakya panchange and see the time they give is mostly erratic, eclipse is over a drik one gives u near perfect one. > > best wishes > > G B Prashant Kumar > > Pl give personal data with some verifable life events with dates=jobs, marriage, family, kids, high/low times. Picture or 2 to personal ID pkgoteti, for Lagna features check. > Services of this astrologer in the group only are free, personal consultations ARE CHARGEABLE! Mobile 09840051861 Chennai, India > > > Venkatesh S <ksvssvk > vedic astrology > Cc: dakshinastrologer > Wednesday, July 11, 2007 4:25:45 PM > [vedic astrology] Tamil Panchang > > > > > > > JAI SRIRAM > > > > Dear Sri.Dakshinamoorthi , > > > > According to Tamil Panchang,there are 60 years,as per this Tamil Panchang Vakya syatem is calculated the planetry positions, > > so for every 60 years the same planetry positions are repeated as per Vakya system. > > Is it really correct and how Drik has different from this? > > > > Thanks, > > Venkatesh.S. > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 JAI SRIRAM Dear Sri.Dakshinamoorthi, Vakya uses formula means it is from poet from Sage Idai Kattar. I don't think Vakya has longitude..Is there any ayanamsa in Vakya system Even in temples in TamilNadu they are using Vakya Panchang only.. Thanks, Venkatesh.S. dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer wrote: Dear Shri. Prashant: You have explained it nicely. Vaakya means " formulae " . Vaakya panchangs are calculated based on ancient siddhanta aphorisms. Due to the precession of equinoxes and other celestial and intra-planetary influences, there have been differences between the vaakya longitudes and actual observed longitudes of planets. In ancient India, there was a system of correcting those positions by taking measurement with gnomons (the magic wand type of short stick you might see Namboodri astrologers carrying with them! - to measure equinoctical shadow on a day). If such a correction is applied to vaakya statements, you will arrive at the exact drig ganitha sputams of the planets. However, all this is not necessary now-a-days with exact longitudes being given in ephemerides and various Drik-based almanacs. These are correct astronomically. In fact, even temples should be encouraged to follow the drik ganitha based panchangs only for festivals because there are clear rules regarding determination of various festivals based on astronomical phenomena (like what time a thithi should operate for a festival or fast to be celebrated on a particular day). As Vaakyas sometimes vary too much from drik-ganitha positions, the thithi itself might differ leading to error in important festivals/ fasts. A normal aspirant may not find much difference in this; but those in advanced stages of mantra shastra cannot afford to ignore such discrepancies because there are certain karanas (half of thithi) which are known to be dangerous for practices like kaaya siddhi, parakaaya pravesham, etc. If such a practitioner is misled to practise his experiments in dangerous karanas due to the wrong panchang, the results can be disastrous. Even for the common man relying on the panchang, it can make him follow the days wrongly (for instance, ashtami might have begun already while the vaakya may still persist with sapthami thithi; the common believer might assume the day is good while in fact the ugra thithi might have commenced to his detriment). The list is endless.... It is in the best interests of everyone to follow Drik-ganitha based panchags with chitra-paksha ayanamasa (which comes most near the perfect values; the ayanamsa is another vexed issue with countless values being propounded by various experts; chitra paksha ayanamasa by Lahiri et tal is the generally accepted one; at least the errors if any will be marginal and can be attributed to Hand of God if at all they occur!) Blessed be Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology , Me Shubha Vela <pkgoteti wrote: > > Venketesan > > ur post is not right , max partly > > only Major planets, Guru, Sani, are in same sign as 60 yrs ago and sun if same month is taken there is nothing spl of tamil panchanga all Hindu -vedic panchangs follow that 60 yr cycle > > only diff is tamils mostly use diff Vakya panchangams more than drik > > drik is 1+0-2 Vakya is u can attribute anyting to a said position it is what a family of astrologer has said no corrections r made by many of them as in vakya itself u find many varients > > drik will be consistant > > Vakya is also right if corrections r taken regularly all festivals are done in Vakya dates > > Vakya has no retrogression dates also it takes the time a planet finally moves to next sign in between athichara, next sign entry, sthira, vakra then sthira and then back to normal motions are all skipped just the last date when we see in drik as the date it is going to next sign some take that dates [if corected else many differ wildly take an eclipse from a vakya panchange and see the time they give is mostly erratic, eclipse is over a drik one gives u near perfect one. > > best wishes > > G B Prashant Kumar > > Pl give personal data with some verifable life events with dates=jobs, marriage, family, kids, high/low times. Picture or 2 to personal ID pkgoteti, for Lagna features check. > Services of this astrologer in the group only are free, personal consultations ARE CHARGEABLE! Mobile 09840051861 Chennai, India > > > Venkatesh S <ksvssvk > vedic astrology > Cc: dakshinastrologer > Wednesday, July 11, 2007 4:25:45 PM > [vedic astrology] Tamil Panchang > > > > > > > JAI SRIRAM > > > > Dear Sri.Dakshinamoorthi , > > > > According to Tamil Panchang,there are 60 years,as per this Tamil Panchang Vakya syatem is calculated the planetry positions, > > so for every 60 years the same planetry positions are repeated as per Vakya system. > > Is it really correct and how Drik has different from this? > > > > Thanks, > > Venkatesh.S. > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Dear Shri. Venkatesh: You seem to be unaware of the fact that there are so many vaakyaas...not merely that of the siddhar Idaikaadar.....If only vaakya of Idaikaddar is used why do vaakya panchangs differ in the details (you know Srirangam Vaakyam panchangam has some differences with Paampu Panchangam; Arcot Panchaangam is different...why this difference then?) vaakya panchangas also have Graha Paada chaaram; instead of directly giving the longitudes, they are given in time units....like at what time the planetary ingress into a particular paada charam happens, and the longitudes are in fact calculated by interpolation process when people use that for prashna. It is not clear why you are raising this query at all..If your motive is to learn, kindly be clear as to what you wish to learn. Temples in Tamil Nadu are using Vakya panchanga which is erraneous. What is the point you are trying to raise when you say " EVEN temples in tamil Nadu are using Vaakya Panchanga " .....Are you aware that most of the temple priests are not experts in astrology (and for that matter many of them have questionable levels of knowledge even in aagamic matters which should be their forte!) And are you aware of the fact that persons from Vedic traditions like me are held in higher esteem than temple priests? Just because something is being followed in temples, it cannot be deemed to be correct. Kindly understand that you are interacting with a person well exposed to various traditions and has learnt all of them under very able guidance, and if you are trying to test the knowledge of that person there is no point in that. Sorry.... I do not have the time for such games. I answer queries when they are raised with the intent to learn, and to even post such answers I have to squeeze time between my already tight schedules. Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology , Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > > JAI SRIRAM > > Dear Sri.Dakshinamoorthi, > > Vakya uses formula means it is from poet from Sage Idai Kattar. > I don't think Vakya has longitude..Is there any ayanamsa in Vakya system > Even in temples in TamilNadu they are using Vakya Panchang only.. > > Thanks, > Venkatesh.S. > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer wrote: > Dear Shri. Prashant: > > You have explained it nicely. > > Vaakya means " formulae " . Vaakya panchangs are calculated based on > ancient siddhanta aphorisms. Due to the precession of equinoxes and > other celestial and intra-planetary influences, there have been > differences between the vaakya longitudes and actual observed > longitudes of planets. In ancient India, there was a system of > correcting those positions by taking measurement with gnomons (the > magic wand type of short stick you might see Namboodri astrologers > carrying with them! - to measure equinoctical shadow on a day). If > such a correction is applied to vaakya statements, you will arrive > at the exact drig ganitha sputams of the planets. However, all this > is not necessary now-a-days with exact longitudes being given in > ephemerides and various Drik-based almanacs. These are correct > astronomically. > > In fact, even temples should be encouraged to follow the drik > ganitha based panchangs only for festivals because there are clear > rules regarding determination of various festivals based on > astronomical phenomena (like what time a thithi should operate for a > festival or fast to be celebrated on a particular day). As Vaakyas > sometimes vary too much from drik-ganitha positions, the thithi > itself might differ leading to error in important festivals/ fasts. > A normal aspirant may not find much difference in this; but those in > advanced stages of mantra shastra cannot afford to ignore such > discrepancies because there are certain karanas (half of thithi) > which are known to be dangerous for practices like kaaya siddhi, > parakaaya pravesham, etc. If such a practitioner is misled to > practise his experiments in dangerous karanas due to the wrong > panchang, the results can be disastrous. Even for the common man > relying on the panchang, it can make him follow the days wrongly > (for instance, ashtami might have begun already while the vaakya may > still persist with sapthami thithi; the common believer might assume > the day is good while in fact the ugra thithi might have commenced > to his detriment). The list is endless.... > > It is in the best interests of everyone to follow Drik-ganitha based > panchags with chitra-paksha ayanamasa (which comes most near the > perfect values; the ayanamsa is another vexed issue with countless > values being propounded by various experts; chitra paksha ayanamasa > by Lahiri et tal is the generally accepted one; at least the errors > if any will be marginal and can be attributed to Hand of God if at > all they occur!) > > Blessed be > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology , Me Shubha Vela > <pkgoteti@> wrote: > > > > Venketesan > > > > ur post is not right , max partly > > > > only Major planets, Guru, Sani, are in same sign as 60 yrs ago and > sun if same month is taken there is nothing spl of tamil panchanga > all Hindu -vedic panchangs follow that 60 yr cycle > > > > only diff is tamils mostly use diff Vakya panchangams more than > drik > > > > drik is 1+0-2 Vakya is u can attribute anyting to a said position > it is what a family of astrologer has said no corrections r made by > many of them as in vakya itself u find many varients > > > > drik will be consistant > > > > Vakya is also right if corrections r taken regularly all festivals > are done in Vakya dates > > > > Vakya has no retrogression dates also it takes the time a planet > finally moves to next sign in between athichara, next sign entry, > sthira, vakra then sthira and then back to normal motions are all > skipped just the last date when we see in drik as the date it is > going to next sign some take that dates [if corected else many > differ wildly take an eclipse from a vakya panchange and see the > time they give is mostly erratic, eclipse is over a drik one gives u > near perfect one. > > > > best wishes > > > > G B Prashant Kumar > > > > Pl give personal data with some verifable life events with > dates=jobs, marriage, family, kids, high/low times. Picture or 2 to > personal ID pkgoteti@, for Lagna features check. > > Services of this astrologer in the group only are free, personal > consultations ARE CHARGEABLE! Mobile 09840051861 Chennai, India > > > > > > Venkatesh S <ksvssvk@> > > vedic astrology > > Cc: dakshinastrologer@ > > Wednesday, July 11, 2007 4:25:45 PM > > [vedic astrology] Tamil Panchang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JAI SRIRAM > > > > > > > > Dear Sri.Dakshinamoorthi , > > > > > > > > According to Tamil Panchang,there are 60 years,as per > this Tamil Panchang Vakya syatem is calculated the planetry > positions, > > > > so for every 60 years the same planetry positions are repeated > as per Vakya system. > > > > Is it really correct and how Drik has different from this? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Venkatesh.S. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > > > > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at > Games. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 |JAI SRIRAM| Dear Sri.Dakshinamoorthi, I am not testing anyone's knowledge/try to humiliate/embarrass not only you and anyone and also don't know who has the high knowledge whether priest/someone else.. Lord Shiva only knows that Thanks, Venkatesh.S. dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer wrote: Dear Shri. Venkatesh: You seem to be unaware of the fact that there are so many vaakyaas...not merely that of the siddhar Idaikaadar.....If only vaakya of Idaikaddar is used why do vaakya panchangs differ in the details (you know Srirangam Vaakyam panchangam has some differences with Paampu Panchangam; Arcot Panchaangam is different...why this difference then?) vaakya panchangas also have Graha Paada chaaram; instead of directly giving the longitudes, they are given in time units....like at what time the planetary ingress into a particular paada charam happens, and the longitudes are in fact calculated by interpolation process when people use that for prashna. It is not clear why you are raising this query at all..If your motive is to learn, kindly be clear as to what you wish to learn. Temples in Tamil Nadu are using Vakya panchanga which is erraneous. What is the point you are trying to raise when you say " EVEN temples in tamil Nadu are using Vaakya Panchanga " .....Are you aware that most of the temple priests are not experts in astrology (and for that matter many of them have questionable levels of knowledge even in aagamic matters which should be their forte!) And are you aware of the fact that persons from Vedic traditions like me are held in higher esteem than temple priests? Just because something is being followed in temples, it cannot be deemed to be correct. Kindly understand that you are interacting with a person well exposed to various traditions and has learnt all of them under very able guidance, and if you are trying to test the knowledge of that person there is no point in that. Sorry.... I do not have the time for such games. I answer queries when they are raised with the intent to learn, and to even post such answers I have to squeeze time between my already tight schedules. Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology , Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > > JAI SRIRAM > > Dear Sri.Dakshinamoorthi, > > Vakya uses formula means it is from poet from Sage Idai Kattar. > I don't think Vakya has longitude..Is there any ayanamsa in Vakya system > Even in temples in TamilNadu they are using Vakya Panchang only.. > > Thanks, > Venkatesh.S. > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer wrote: > Dear Shri. Prashant: > > You have explained it nicely. > > Vaakya means " formulae " . Vaakya panchangs are calculated based on > ancient siddhanta aphorisms. Due to the precession of equinoxes and > other celestial and intra-planetary influences, there have been > differences between the vaakya longitudes and actual observed > longitudes of planets. In ancient India, there was a system of > correcting those positions by taking measurement with gnomons (the > magic wand type of short stick you might see Namboodri astrologers > carrying with them! - to measure equinoctical shadow on a day). If > such a correction is applied to vaakya statements, you will arrive > at the exact drig ganitha sputams of the planets. However, all this > is not necessary now-a-days with exact longitudes being given in > ephemerides and various Drik-based almanacs. These are correct > astronomically. > > In fact, even temples should be encouraged to follow the drik > ganitha based panchangs only for festivals because there are clear > rules regarding determination of various festivals based on > astronomical phenomena (like what time a thithi should operate for a > festival or fast to be celebrated on a particular day). As Vaakyas > sometimes vary too much from drik-ganitha positions, the thithi > itself might differ leading to error in important festivals/ fasts. > A normal aspirant may not find much difference in this; but those in > advanced stages of mantra shastra cannot afford to ignore such > discrepancies because there are certain karanas (half of thithi) > which are known to be dangerous for practices like kaaya siddhi, > parakaaya pravesham, etc. If such a practitioner is misled to > practise his experiments in dangerous karanas due to the wrong > panchang, the results can be disastrous. Even for the common man > relying on the panchang, it can make him follow the days wrongly > (for instance, ashtami might have begun already while the vaakya may > still persist with sapthami thithi; the common believer might assume > the day is good while in fact the ugra thithi might have commenced > to his detriment). The list is endless.... > > It is in the best interests of everyone to follow Drik-ganitha based > panchags with chitra-paksha ayanamasa (which comes most near the > perfect values; the ayanamsa is another vexed issue with countless > values being propounded by various experts; chitra paksha ayanamasa > by Lahiri et tal is the generally accepted one; at least the errors > if any will be marginal and can be attributed to Hand of God if at > all they occur!) > > Blessed be > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology , Me Shubha Vela > <pkgoteti@> wrote: > > > > Venketesan > > > > ur post is not right , max partly > > > > only Major planets, Guru, Sani, are in same sign as 60 yrs ago and > sun if same month is taken there is nothing spl of tamil panchanga > all Hindu -vedic panchangs follow that 60 yr cycle > > > > only diff is tamils mostly use diff Vakya panchangams more than > drik > > > > drik is 1+0-2 Vakya is u can attribute anyting to a said position > it is what a family of astrologer has said no corrections r made by > many of them as in vakya itself u find many varients > > > > drik will be consistant > > > > Vakya is also right if corrections r taken regularly all festivals > are done in Vakya dates > > > > Vakya has no retrogression dates also it takes the time a planet > finally moves to next sign in between athichara, next sign entry, > sthira, vakra then sthira and then back to normal motions are all > skipped just the last date when we see in drik as the date it is > going to next sign some take that dates [if corected else many > differ wildly take an eclipse from a vakya panchange and see the > time they give is mostly erratic, eclipse is over a drik one gives u > near perfect one. > > > > best wishes > > > > G B Prashant Kumar > > > > Pl give personal data with some verifable life events with > dates=jobs, marriage, family, kids, high/low times. Picture or 2 to > personal ID pkgoteti@, for Lagna features check. > > Services of this astrologer in the group only are free, personal > consultations ARE CHARGEABLE! Mobile 09840051861 Chennai, India > > > > > > Venkatesh S <ksvssvk@> > > vedic astrology > > Cc: dakshinastrologer@ > > Wednesday, July 11, 2007 4:25:45 PM > > [vedic astrology] Tamil Panchang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JAI SRIRAM > > > > > > > > Dear Sri.Dakshinamoorthi , > > > > > > > > According to Tamil Panchang,there are 60 years,as per > this Tamil Panchang Vakya syatem is calculated the planetry > positions, > > > > so for every 60 years the same planetry positions are repeated > as per Vakya system. > > > > Is it really correct and how Drik has different from this? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Venkatesh.S. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > > > > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at > Games. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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