You liar Lalith: Panditji would never have written he is VVIP

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Dear Lalith:

 

Can you post in the forum Panditji's mail where you claim he has

written he is a VVIP? This must be a blatant lie. Pandit

Dakshinamoorthiji is not one to write like that! This is a blatant

lie! I am sure. If Panditji has really claimed he is a VVIP, I

will take back all that I have written to you.

 

He has never given his phone no. to anyone in this list. So, what

special previlege do you think you have got you faggot? Does he not

have a right for his own privacy?

 

What will happen to his sanity if he starts getting your idiotic

phone calls on top of your stupid mails?

 

He would have repeatedly written to you only in reply. You would

have pestered him and he would have replied. You idiot have failed

to understand the decency of an astrologer when he has hinted at

your problems diplomatically, and now you claim " he changed lines "

as if he is a cheat!

 

I do not know how long you are associated with this group.......Ask

any forum member here whether Panditji is a person who changes tack

like that. In fact he is one of the more honest astrologers who

admits that he has made a mistake if ever he has made one! But, you

are almost putting words into his mouth, and depicting as if he has

failed in his predictions.

 

Truth to be told, Panditji would have felt no hope in your situation

unless you change yourself; and he would not have seen any

possibility for that also. Hence he would have been at a loss of

words as to what to do. Collaring an astrologer when he is trying

to soothen you with some hopeful predictions is really rude.

 

Panditji is too senior and respected; otherwise, I would have

written to him directly regarding this matter and known what is all

this......But, believing an idiot like you and enquiring with a

senior astrologer is not possible.

 

I again challenge you......show us the mail where Panditji claimed

hs is VVIP......You liar.....know whom you are accusing!

 

Mohanraaam.-- In vedic astrology , " litsol "

<mishra.lalit wrote:

>

>

> What to say u old man, U have lost power to understand :

>

> I gave him my own resume, all my projects that i did, simply gave

him.

>

> Now, I have all rights to call u " Idiot " . U r too full of

urself, A

> blind man with heap of false EGO,what happened to me, I shared

with u

> and all, still u see, i m telling lies, m criminal. Constantly u r

> advancing with ur poor logic and handful knowledge to blame me for

> everything.

>

> So, you are here to advocate pandit ji, I have not said a single

word

> against him and u are abusing me constantly, I have posted my birth

> details in the group: - 17 -08-1972, 08:15 PM at Rewa (M.P) and

sent to

> pandit ji, if u r using that to tell there is some debilitated

planet,

> not a strange for a man like u to play tricks.

>

> I purchased a service, didn't complain any thing to any one, just

asked

> a phone no. to remove my doubts, It was my fault coz the Pandit Ji

was

> VVIP, it is his right to not to give me his phone and i have no

rights.

> stop it and don't try to be smart. Ok, i still compromised and

became

> happy with the sound file, he sent to me after i informed him

about my

> difficulty on a portion of mantra. No problems, but i said, this

created

> a difference in between.

>

> I m still not saying what pandit ji saw and what he didnt, But he

mailed

> me constantly saying, it was my bad karma of previous birth, very

normal

> and very general, every second person w'd tell same, but when i

informed

> him about some spirit, he changed his line and said he has already

seen

> it, I agreed to this also, but i thought it's an important

information,

> better to keep it in the record, he denied to give this also, with

no

> reason. he said he wont give, still i was not complaining any

thing,

> just asked him once more for same prashna, he didn't tell any

reason and

> told that he is a VVIP, he wont give what he doesnt want. I didn't

> complain.

>

> And finally, He posted part of my mail to the group without

informing

> me, without seeking my consent and at the same time, he didnt

forget

> accusing me that i will disclose his precious techniques in the

group,

> mind u idiot, on the one hand he is doing same thing and on the

other he

> accused me saying - i may do it, and who did that - Pandit Ji ?

>

> And u are here to call me mad. U dont deserve any respect. There

is no

> value of ur Age and Experience, Yes, i should call u idiot. You

want to

> twist ethics , u cant. u want to use a handful knowledge to twist

> ethics, u cant.

>

> I said something in general about Vedanga, or Vedic Granthas, U

poker,

> entering into classification, definition.

>

> U want to challange me, for what ? instead of taking the challange

or

> trying to understand what i m saying, what i m sharing openly, u

keep

> abusing me.

>

> U put me a lot of pain and insult, I dont know if a handfull

knowledge

> makes a man like u, Can u tell me where is Priya and can u help me

> establish a contact with her, for what, i was craving whole year,

that u

> cant, u wont. coz u r fake.

>

> I cant write regards to u. Ok,

>

> Lalit.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " <mohanraaam@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalith:

> >

> > You have written " Panditji did not write about spirits but you

told

> > him.... " But from what he has posted, he had already found it out

> > and was not sharing it with you. He had suggested remedies

> > inclusive of that which is more important. A person of his

stature

> > need not try to " prove " his skills by giving shocking

predictions.

> > Experts of his calibre definitely are very subtle. In fact the

> > words " you have to balance your karma of previous lives " that you

> > claim he was harping on refers to this ghostly apparition. In

your

> > half-baked brain, it did not strike; that is all.

> >

> > Again, you claim that you are " helping " nature; and see the

evidence

> > you give for that......you have given all the projects that you

did

> > under somebody's resume to " help " him. Legally, my friend, you

are

> > not a helper but a " CRIMINAL " . No wonder with all your lies you

> > cannot share positive vibes with Panditji who never tells lies!

> >

> > You claim " shani " visited you; why don't you claim Lord Shiva

> > visited you! You are mad young man! If you had really had vision

> > of Lord Shani it would have been shown in the prashna chart that

you

> > are a Divine personality. You probably have debilitated planets

in

> > your 9th house. You have delusions of spirituality.

> >

> > You have written " You do not differentiate knowledge " ; but you

have

> > no rights to declassify what ancient people have classified with

a

> > purpose. Vedangas, shaastras, all might be one for you; but they

> > have differnet purposes. Do not try to sit in judgment over the

> > wisdom of the great Seers and Saints who did tapasya before

giving

> > those wonderful shastras to us.

> >

> > You have said you have learnt some vedas to search at your

Brahmin

> > roots. You have definitely not learnt under a competent person or

> > as usual, you have not imbibed the essence of the teachings well.

> > Vedas are oceanic and the little spec of knowledge you have in

that

> > does not qualify you to speak like this.

> >

> > " Hitham poorva aachaarya vaakyena " means " welfare comes by

following

> > the words of ancient Masters " is a known Dharma shastraic

injunction.

> >

> > You can research on things, you can analyze things with an open

> > mind; but do so with a reverential attitude and not with the

> > assumption " that in India they did not spread knowledge, etc. "

The

> > saints have purposefully hidden some powerful knowledge sources

so

> > that they are not misused by half-baked morons. You see, knowing

> > some part of vedas makes you think that you are qualified to

comment

> > on that.....it is precisely to avoid such calamities, that

ancients

> > hid powerful arts. Those arts in the hands of good persons can

> > benefit many, while they will become subjects of mockery in the

> > hands of those who do not appreciate their Divinity.

> >

> > You have written " My Ego has made me angry " ...what is there young

> > man? I got angry not because you attacked me or even Panditji;

but

> > because you have attacked this Divine Art and are remorseless.

> >

> > Please do not say that Shani spoke to you; you may be put into an

> > asylum for Paronia, Delusional Disorder, schizoid personality

> > disorder, etc.

> >

> > I sincerely apologize to the list for having written such a

personal

> > mail in this list, but this man cannot go unchallenged after he

has

> > attempted to malign Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji - a noble soul who

is

> > the pride of this group, and who I am sure - is considered as a

> > Blessing to this group by many members. I have nothing personal

in

> > this. Even if this person had called me an " idiot " or even in

> > unparliamentary language, I would have forgiven him; but his

> > irreverential attitude towards astrology and Panditji has really

put

> > me off and prompted me in this exchange.

> >

> > No matter what he writes, I will not reply henceforth.

> >

> > Mohanraaam.

> >

> > vedic astrology , " litsol " mishra.lalit@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Mohanraaam - Yogi,

> > >

> > > Your are so angry, what causes anger, a hurt ego... nothing

else.

> > >

> > > Even u have addressed your mail to Mr. Abhishek, while replying

> > to me.

> > > Pls. cool down.

> > > I have told u about " P - Priya and Preeti ... " .

> > >

> > > The first half part of ur findings is true, how much true, I

will

> > tell u

> > > - " I knew two girls, whose name begins with 'P', one is Preeti

and

> > other

> > > is Priya " . right, I m not like u, i mean, a man who is caught

up

> > in

> > > abundance of EGO, have confidence to accept the truth upto

where

> > it is

> > > true.

> > >

> > > Preeti is a Biotech student and she contacted me after she saw

my

> > > profile in the net, She is taller than me and 9 yrs younger to

me,

> > > still, wanted to proceed towards marriage, I thought this may

look

> > good

> > > today but tomorrow may not, I asked her to not to contact me

as i

> > dont

> > > think good prospects of togatherness, off cource, she w'd have

> > > discussed it in my home town, Rewa is not a big place and we

all

> > are

> > > brahmins, so things gets spread, the communication was throuh

net

> > and

> > > few times through phone, pls. mind it, i have not seen her

> > physically.

> > > never met her physically. So, ur prashan chart skills need to

ne

> > > refined, the basic is good, after a point and the interprition

> > that u do

> > > is misleading. Ok.

> > >

> > > Next is Priya, I liked this girl more, and felt bad about her,

she

> > is a

> > > kind of girl, misguided by the peers and this age.

> > >

> > > I never met her also, try to check in ur's prashna chart, She

> > again met

> > > me through Net, She gave her false introduction like She is a

> > Software

> > > Engineer, working with Mphasis, Bombay and about to visit

Germany,

> > All

> > > was wrong. She had a boy friend, once she refered to me and

then a

> > > deviation came in her behaviro, As per priya he already

proposed

> > her,

> > > but some disturbance between them came, He didn't belong to a

good

> > > family and of cheep type guy.

> > >

> > > I was worried for her, I never wanted her to spoil her life

with

> > a such

> > > type of guy, I tried to convince about the meaning of life and

> > values of

> > > our culture, She felt bad, and got angry, Once what happened

and

> > still

> > > unbelievable to me, let me put here, During my daily puja, I

saw

> > Shani

> > > is coming to me and has occupied me, I have got divine

protection

> > form

> > > lord Hanuman Ji, still, i could not call him for help, what i

> > could do

> > > and i had no idea about a learned siddha, what happens is, in a

> > minute

> > > My frined Nirmesh called me from mumbai.

> > >

> > > My friend Nirmesh is a Sr, HR Manager with Reliance Retail, he

was

> > with

> > > his girl friend, in fact i played a role in reconcilation of

> > disturbance

> > > between them so they were calling me, As Priya told to me, she

> > lives in

> > > Bombay, I missed her, and thought to contact her, I wanted to

> > write a

> > > mail about me , a mail with all my emotions but here Saturn

Played

> > a

> > > role and in place of sending that emotionl mail to Priya, I

happen

> > to

> > > post that mail in a , she and me both were members,

I

> > > created that group to promote youngersters of my region in

software

> > > industry, and my own personal mail was posted in the group, My

own

> > > mistake, Pls. check, if u are referring to this incident.

> > >

> > > She became so angry on me, but what i could do, all was my

mistake

> > and i

> > > lost her, I w'd like to tell u more, A friend of me was

jobless, I

> > gave

> > > him my own CV to put his name on the CV with all my projects

in his

> > > name, Pls check in ur's prashna chart. How i help people. Next

day

> > > after this incident, His birthday came, And the Priya addressed

> > him with

> > > so much of respect, The guy, in place of showing a respect

towards

> > me

> > > for my help, commented on me, A cunning man, I dont know he and

> > many

> > > others have contributed more in widening the gap in between me

and

> > > Priya. I dont know if he is still in touch with her, or all was

> > planned

> > > by them togather. I dont know anything.

> > >

> > > I still dont know who this Priya was and where she lives in, If

> > she is a

> > > girl or a game of those guys who wanted me to look down in that

> >

> > > Group. coz, when i started searching her, what i found is, in

> > mphasis

> > > there is only one Priya Tiwari, who works with a BPO, she was

not

> > a

> > > Software Engineer and she never lived in Bombay, She was in

Noida

> > > itself. For ur satisfaction, I can post my mails to HR

department

> > of

> > > Mphasis.

> > >

> > > I dont know what happend to her, This BPO priya, i also have

not

> > met

> > > her, looks different than the other Priya whom i was searching.

> > >

> > > So, Dear old friend, Check ur Prashna Chart skills more and

more,

> > Baiscs

> > > are correct, ur interpretition is quite wrong and u have not

got

> > enough

> > > experience in life to judge me and realities.

> > >

> > > whatever be is Vedanga or Shastra, I wanted to let u know every

> > bit of

> > > knowledge is divine and pavitra. Leave the arrogance and start

> > doing

> > > preperation for ur journey that u have to do in near future.

> > >

> > > If any one in the Group, can give light on this Priya's case,

coz

> > i had

> > > soft feelings for her despite all her lies, I w'd be grateful

> > otherwise

> > > it's OK. Can u tell me how and where she is and if she really

> > exists,

> > > and if any occult people can help me in establishing a contact

> > with her

> > > if she really exists w'd be good for me. I w'd pay whatever u

> > demand.

> > > Will any one take the challange ? i wont ask u what u cant do,

I

> > > promise.

> > >

> > > I didn't tell about Preeti and Priya to Pandit ji it was not

> > necessary,

> > > better if he w'd have told me sth about them, but Pandit Ji all

> > the time

> > > kept telling me about my Karmic Balance of the previous birth,

It

> > was me

> > > who gave him hints abot the spirit, Not he, he didnt tell me

any

> > thing

> > > about the spirit and when i told him about the spirti's

storey, he

> > said

> > > he has seen it Prashan chart, tell me where i was wrong, I

asked

> > him to

> > > give me Prashan Chart, he denied.

> > >

> > > Dear old friend, why u could not see in ur's prashna chart the

> > Saturn

> > > who got me occupied me during my Puja, I was not sleeping, I

saw

> > him

> > > with open eyes.

> > >

> > > Pls. check ur's prashna chart and I w'd request Mr. Rafal to

> > interefere

> > > and tell me about Priya, coz, i m having some pain, I dont know

> > anything

> > > , any truth of Priya Tiwari. I have her photograpgh that she

sent

> > to me

> > > which differs from the Priya whom i discovered in mphasis.

> > >

> > > Will any one come to help me ?

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

<mohanraaam@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Abhishek:

> > > >

> > > > Know the difference between shastraas and the

vedaangas.....you

> > > > think an astrologer and a yogi like me would not have known

all

> > > > these! siksha, kalpam, chandas, mimamsa,nruktam and Jyotisam

are

> > > > the vedangas. Don't confuse the 18 shastras or the 64 mighty

arts

> > > > with vedanga. You are shallow young man but are trying to

pass

> > > > judgments on great branches of knowledge and great persons of

> > > > knowledge. I am 86 years old and have lived a full life with

a

> > > > happy wife and 4 intelligent, well-settled children. Not a

> > > > frustrated unmarried luckless youngman like you!

> > > >

> > > > Whatever you said to Panditji...I do not know because he has

not

> > > > divulged the complete exchange inthe forum...I think he

should

> > > > probably do that to expose your arrogance and idiocy levels

to

> > this

> > > > group......

> > > >

> > > > You may say that you did not have affairs - then what do you

> > tell of

> > > > a thing when you go after ladies and get heart-broken when

they

> > > > reject your proposal? You could not proceed to the level of a

> > > > mutual affair because they did not entertain you at all!

> > > >

> > > > You have not commented on my finding about Priya/

preeti.....I am

> > > > sure it is correct! And definitely your failures in this

regard

> > > > would have been a butt of jokes in your circle. I can bet on

> > that.

> > > > But definitely you will come out with your own versions to

deny

> > this.

> > > >

> > > > Did you tell all this to Guruji? I am sure you would not have

> > > > shared it in this light - but mark my words, he would have

found

> > it

> > > > out definitely! Only thing is - he is too decent to hurt

others

> > > > unnecessarily.

> > > >

> > > > Your posts are not clear....you are saying this and that

without

> > > > actually commenting on what others have written. Don't pass

> > > > judgement on astrology or its efficacy.Astrology is a basic

> > > > technique that one learns before predicting - but advanced

> > > > astrologers read far more into charts than what they indicate

> > from

> > > > conventional astrological classics - it is an applied field

and

> > the

> > > > horoscope is just a focus and an accessory tool for

prediction in

> > > > the hands of the greatest masters of this field.

> > > >

> > > > Definitely you are not one to comment on the need of

astrological

> > > > research without knowing the basic vedic etiquettes of

behaving

> > with

> > > > learned astrologers!

> > > >

> > > > Definitely Guruji's wise counsel have been useless to you - a

> > > > buffalo will cherish only the muddy waters - will it know the

> > > > differnece between Ganges and the gutter?

> > > >

> > > > One suggestion young man - try to go into Guruji's mails

> > carefully

> > > > and quietly. His words are worth their weight in gold

usually.

> > > > Many have benefitted by his counsel - do not try to look

> > for " your

> > > > own version of truths " from his writings. If you do that, it

is a

> > > > waste of whatever money you paid Panditji. Understand his

> > counsel,

> > > > try to follow them, and you will do fine. But, stop

insulting and

> > > > passing unnecessary remarks on astrology and need for

> > astrological

> > > > development. Some self-seeking astrologers - capitalizing on

the

> > > > craze of Indian public for " scientific " research, " modern

> > research

> > > > into old classics " etc, have written volumes about the need

for

> > > > evolution of astrology whereas the reality is those who

follow

> > > > ancient classical wisdom have proved more efficient in all

these

> > > > predictive techniques than those " researchers " . Parampara

has its

> > > > own significance. You still eat through your mouth though

times

> > > > have changed (I am assuming here; or are you eating through

the

> > > > other end for novelty sake?). In the same way, nature has not

> > > > changed only certain outer manifestations have changed. Only

> > minor

> > > > modification of interpretaions are needed to suit

predictions to

> > > > modern day life and definitely there are not much gaps.

> > > >

> > > > Mohanraaam.

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " litsol "

mishra.lalit@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mohanraaam,

> > > > >

> > > > > I cant say u " Idiot " and wont speak to u using level of

ur's

> > > > language,

> > > > > ok, Pls. check ur's Prashna Skills 100 times and discover

more

> > > > about me.

> > > > >

> > > > > And my love affairs, I had no affair with any one, right,

check

> > > > it in

> > > > > ur Prashan Chart, however, when marriage came in my mind, i

> > came in

> > > > > touch with girls, liked two or three of them, ok, they

didn't

> > like

> > > > me,

> > > > > It happens. It was me who beforehand informed Panditji as

> > inputs

> > > > are

> > > > > required to reach somewhere.

> > > > >

> > > > > See, i can say, the basic finding of ur prashan chart like

> > break

> > > > ups is

> > > > > true, but is little it misleading too, as no brak up in

sense

> > of

> > > > > break-up happened as no affiar even started, sometimes, u

> > should

> > > > be

> > > > > careful more in reaching ur conclusions, that's why i say,

more

> > > > and more

> > > > > remains to discover, It's - " Apaurusheya "

> > > > >

> > > > > Well, can u tell, in the storey, u posted in group, where

is

> > the

> > > > > " P-Priya, Preti etc.. " ? I will be more than happy to see

ur

> > > > findings,

> > > > > What Guruji said was completely different from u, I

discussed

> > > > with him

> > > > > why i dont get proposals from girls even having average

looks,

> > He

> > > > said

> > > > > to me, You change utr attitude and consider such

proposals, i

> > > > further

> > > > > asked him is it a big expectation to find a nice sweet

person,

> > i

> > > > dont

> > > > > think a model or actress but a girl with little good looks

and

> > good

> > > > > nature, even it is difficult, if it is difficult, i was

asking

> > him

> > > > and

> > > > > describing him about me, my needs, my thoughts.

> > > > >

> > > > > and on what u did write - " And your posts about astrology

in

> > your

> > > > > arguments with Shri. Abhishek also clearly protray your

idiocy!

> > > > You are

> > > > > asking why Astrology

> > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other things?

> > Idiot -

> > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas and not

> > > > > Engineering......You do not know all this classifications

and

> > are

> > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to comment on

> > > > > subjects without knowing them "

> > > > >

> > > > > Pls study " Shulb Sutras " ok, U will find, Engineering is

there,

> > > > > Mathmatics is there, Ayourveda as medical science is there.

> > > > >

> > > > > You are showing u r too full of urself, somtimes it

happens to

> > few

> > > > > people.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

> > <mohanraaam@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lalith:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You " demanded " Panditji's phone no. and he refused....you

> > think

> > > > he

> > > > > > has no right to do that? It is his privacy...when you

have

> > been

> > > > > > pestering him over email how much more irresponsible you

> > would

> > > > have

> > > > > > been if he had given his phone no.? You think Panditji

has

> > time

> > > > to

> > > > > > spend on worthless brats like you who think the world is

> > > > revolving

> > > > > > around them? He has sent you an audio recording of the

> > mantra -

> > > > > > what else you need to know? Is the Great Man your slave

or

> > what

> > > > > > that you can demand everything that you want from him?

He is

> > too

> > > > > > proud for that!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have no right to expect anything except service for

your

> > > > > > payment - assuming you have made some payment to Guruji!

Do

> > you

> > > > > > think you have bought him just because you asked his

> > service? I

> > > > am

> > > > > > sure you would have written something silly like this

(your

> > > > current

> > > > > > post is in itself silly) that annoyed Panditji! You say

the

> > > > matter

> > > > > > is over - but you keep on saying things as if Panditji

has

> > done a

> > > > > > mistake and you are justified.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And your posts about astrology in your arguments with

Shri.

> > > > Abhishek

> > > > > > also clearly protray your idiocy! You are asking why

> > Astrology

> > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other things?

> > Idiot -

> > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas and

not

> > > > > > Engineering......You do not know all this classifications

> > and are

> > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to comment

on

> > > > > > subjects without knowing them.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I just checked up a prashna chart to see what sort of

person

> > you

> > > > > > are.....From this, try to understand what all astrology

is

> > > > capable

> > > > > > of.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Last year you would have proposed to a Lady - and your

> > failure

> > > > was a

> > > > > > widely circulated joke in your social circle.....is it

true

> > or

> > > > not?

> > > > > > Just understand - people have made fun of you only

because of

> > > > > > your " loser " attitude. You are childish in your attitude;

> > this is

> > > > > > one reason why women in your life are running away from

you.

> > > > Guruji

> > > > > > has just hinted on love failures in his post - but my

prashna

> > > > > > clearly indicates they have rejected you outright after

> > initial

> > > > > > interactions with you because you have been " chasing "

them

> > and

> > > > > > troubling them with undiplomatic messages persistently.

Your

> > last

> > > > > > serious connection when the lady rejected your proposal -

her

> > > > name

> > > > > > is likely to be in the " pa " varga (preeti, Priya, etc.

any of

> > > > these -

> > > > > > you may think I have not found the right name - but

knowing

> > the

> > > > > > initial word of a person about whom I know nothing is in

> > itself

> > > > > > difficult - and no amount of research in scientific

> > astrology can

> > > > > > give the exact name! Don't think your " researches " will

> > > > > > automatically pave the way to find the name and glorify

> > > > astrology -

> > > > > > because that is not possible!)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now do you understand what an astrologer is capable of!

> > Guruji is

> > > > > > too decent to insult you by writing like this -

definitely he

> > > > would

> > > > > > have found out all these. He would have counselled you

about

> > > > change

> > > > > > of attitude mainly regarding this....you would not have

got

> > the

> > > > > > hint. Yet in message after message you are justifying and

> > > > > > projecting as if your grievance is genuine.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Heights of arrogance - thinking you have the right to

> > disturb a

> > > > > > learned senior astrologer as and when you want! I am

> > associated

> > > > > > with Panditji for so long and yet I do not have his

mobile

> > no. do

> > > > > > you know that? He has email id and he is very prompt in

his

> > > > replies

> > > > > > through that. Do you know anything of that great man or

his

> > daily

> > > > > > schedules? He has not merely one client like you - but

> > thosands

> > > > of

> > > > > > admirers, students, disciples, and clients all over the

> > world. If

> > > > > > all start calling Guruji will he ever have time for

himself?

> > That

> > > > > > is why he is not giving the mobile. Your post speaks as

if

> > he is

> > > > > > hiding himself.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is probably his mistake that he is helping out people

like

> > > > you -

> > > > > > the great man does not differentiate much and tries to

help

> > out

> > > > > > suffering people even if they are undeserving.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Try to change your attitude for your own good. Improve

> > yourself

> > > > > > before trying to comment on great fields like astrology,

> > about

> > > > which

> > > > > > you do not know even a speck. There are no gaps in

> > astrological

> > > > > > knowledge. Enough knowledge has been documented as Shri.

> > Potti

> > > > has

> > > > > > written in his post.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mohanraaam.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > .vedic astrology , " litsol "

> > > > > > mishra.lalit@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear primusjyotish,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You are right, in fact differences begane, when i asked

> > Pandit

> > > > Ji's

> > > > > > > phone nos to communicate to him, he refused to give his

> > nos, I

> > > > was

> > > > > > > surprised, being a client, paying for the consultation

a

> > clear

> > > > > > > communication is required, so at least a communication

over

> > > > phone

> > > > > > > should happen, It was refused, he recommened a mantra,

i

> > was

> > > > not

> > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > on it's pronunciation, the rerequest to tell right

> > > > pronunciation

> > > > > > over

> > > > > > > phone was also refused, then a copy of charts made was

> > refused.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I didnt come to group for so many refusals.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And there were two contradictory explanations , the

timing

> > > > given

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > very wide for an event - one year and it was said that

it's

> > > > > > conditional

> > > > > > > too, I was not understanding what to conclude and then

> > pandit

> > > > Ji

> > > > > > posted

> > > > > > > my private communication partly in the group. Later,

> > pandit ji

> > > > > > provided

> > > > > > > me sound files of the mantras, ok, my confusion on

> > > > pronunciation

> > > > > > > removed.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now, it is over, and i dont want to discuss it further.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Jyotish

> > Volunteers "

> > > > > > > <primusjyotishi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > One would not consult a doctor for his physical

ailments

> > or a

> > > > > > > > psychiatrist for his mental ailments through

internet.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Perhaps this is why many like Sri K.N. Rao strongly

> > recommend

> > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > seeking solutions to serious matters via internet

and to

> > use

> > > > the

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > tested procedure of face-to-face, in-person

consultation.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Convenience gets in the way and causes more pain

> > ultimately,

> > > > and

> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > need to get the answer here and now,

unfortunately ...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol "

> > > > mishra.lalit@

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pandit Ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I bought a service and had a private communication,

> > it's at

> > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > sight

> > > > > > > > > wrong for u to post any part of private

communication

> > > > without

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > consent.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > U cant imagine anything solely at ur end, if i

myself

> > gave

> > > > u

> > > > > > hints

> > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > possible obstacle due to spirit, how i m going to

fear

> > some

> > > > > > thing

> > > > > > > > or the

> > > > > > > > > other. This should not be basis of not providing

> > > > infomation.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You are at advanced level, which is realized by

many

> > that's

> > > > > > why u

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > being contacted, but that u r into deciding

everything

> > in

> > > > > > > > profession one

> > > > > > > > > sided, can not be justified.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Though, i wanted chart for keeping in my records,

with

> > no

> > > > > > doubts on

> > > > > > > > u,

> > > > > > > > > ur apporach makes me think otherwise.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In any profession, transparency is key to gain

one's

> > faith

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > that u

> > > > > > > > > didn't bother this, on the basis of ur advanced

level u

> > > > pls.

> > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > > > justify what is incorrect, it's a pity that u make

ur

> > mood

> > > > to

> > > > > > post

> > > > > > > > > private communication and at the same time, in ur

> > reply to

> > > > my

> > > > > > > > private

> > > > > > > > > mail id, u accused me that i can post ur advanced

> > > > technique in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > group, I dont know how to react.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > That's a clear contradiction, I was interested in

the

> > final

> > > > > > outcome

> > > > > > > > > which is chart, i should know that, and not in ur's

> > > > technique

> > > > > > but u

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > made it a public issue instread of giving same to

me.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Why development of ancient knowledge has come to an

> > end is

> > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > this fear which i dont know why some knowledgable

> > people

> > > > like u

> > > > > > > > > insttalled within.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I wish to assure u that ur respect is no way

> > corroborated

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > intact in

> > > > > > > > > my views, i m also thankful to u for the remedies

and

> > > > mantras u

> > > > > > > > provided

> > > > > > > > > to me, even if that dont work, i will have same

respect

> > > > for u

> > > > > > but u

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > completely wrong at ur part in ur dealings. Pls.

check

> > ur

> > > > > > dasha and

> > > > > > > > > antardasha, something wrong somewhere.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic-

> > astrology , " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Members:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am posting an extract of the interaction

between

> > myself

> > > > > > and one

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > this list members who wanted a prediction from

me. I

> > have

> > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > counselling based on his horoscope and also

based on

> > a

> > > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > > chart. Marital chart showed marital delays and

> > problem

> > > > with

> > > > > > love

> > > > > > > > > > matters which he has already experienced. The

prashna

> > > > chart

> > > > > > showed

> > > > > > > > > > the possibility of " Paisacha baadha " (trouble

due to

> > > > ghostly

> > > > > > > > > > entities that block happiness in the family). I

had

> > taken

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > matter into account and not wanting to scare the

> > member

> > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily, I had not divulged the matter to

him.

> > > > > > Instead, I

> > > > > > > > > > suggested beeja mantras to counteract that

effect and

> > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > suggested " Sumangali Pooja " to be performed. He

later

> > > > came

> > > > > > back to

> > > > > > > > > > me and asked about the ghostly events himself

> > because his

> > > > > > family

> > > > > > > > > > members have had visitations from that entity. I

> > replied

> > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > saying that I have already taken that factor into

> > account

> > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > giving my suggestions.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The prashna chart showed that the entity is

likely to

> > > > leave

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Earth Plane by this year end and so it cannot

trouble

> > > > him any

> > > > > > > > > > longer. So, based on that and also based on his

> > > > horoscope,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > having faith in the remedies I had suggested, I

had

> > > > predicted

> > > > > > > > > > possibility of marriage in Feb 2008 or in 2009.

> > Actually,

> > > > > > dasa-

> > > > > > > > > > bhukti and transit influences are quite tough and

> > > > > > contradictory

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > this event and I had taken so many factors and

> > > > > > balanced/counter-

> > > > > > > > > > balanced so many possibilities and had predicted

the

> > > > date as

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > Benediction; let the marriage happen in Feb

2008! I

> > had

> > > > even

> > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > to the extent of suggesting attitude modification

> > (he may

> > > > > > not get

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > wife of his expectations) for the marriage to

> > happen; or

> > > > > > else it

> > > > > > > > > > might even be denied.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Now, the member has been persisting about

sharing the

> > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > with him. I had given him broad hints about why I

> > though

> > > > > > Paisacha

> > > > > > > > > > baadha was there for him; but he insists that I

> > share the

> > > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > > chart and give the complete details to him, or

else

> > I am

> > > > > > unfair!

> > > > > > > > My

> > > > > > > > > > reservation regarding this is that prashna is an

> > advanced

> > > > > > > > > > application and sharing its techniques offhand

may be

> > > > > > confusing

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > may lead the native into reading too much into

each

> > > > prashna

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > and fear paisacha baadha when infact it might

not be

> > > > there

> > > > > > at all!

> > > > > > > > > > He does not understand me and is getting at me

> > prompting

> > > > me

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > write

> > > > > > > > > > mail after mail and I am at my patience's end!

If I

> > spend

> > > > > > > > pointless

> > > > > > > > > > time debating like this with one person how can I

> > serve

> > > > > > > > > > others.....Why does not this member understand

this?

> > Not

> > > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > > > > sensitive prashna charts is a hallowed

> > tradition......Am

> > > > I

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > justified in my action when I have acted in the

best

> > > > > > interests of

> > > > > > > > > > the member?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am posting the latest exchange between us for

your

> > > > > > reference. I

> > > > > > > > > > request those who are knowledgeable in authentic

> > prashna

> > > > > > > > traditions

> > > > > > > > > > to write to the member (He is the person who is

> > cutting

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > pasting

> > > > > > > > > > the Garga Hora in this list) telling him that I

am

> > > > justified

> > > > > > in my

> > > > > > > > > > stand, and I am doing it in the best interests.

He

> > does

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > understand the danger of maintaining the prashna

> > chart

> > > > > > indicating

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > paisacha baadha which is inauspicious! I am

pained

> > by his

> > > > > > words

> > > > > > > > > > like " Your are hiding something; hiding things is

> > not a

> > > > sign

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > fairness " etc. It is almost like accusing me of

> > being a

> > > > > > cheat!

> > > > > > > > Again

> > > > > > > > > > he comment on my professionalism; I am acting as

per

> > my

> > > > > > > > professional

> > > > > > > > > > ethics; why is he - a novice imputing motives to

me

> > and

> > > > > > commenting

> > > > > > > > > > on my professionalism? Is this what an astrologer

> > gets

> > > > for

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > service?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Below is the extract....

> > > > > > > > > > ----------------

----

> > ----

> > > > ----

> > > > > > -----

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith Mishra:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Unnecessary openness in the name of frankness is

the

> > > > bane of

> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > society now-a-days. Will you go out in the nude

on

> > the

> > > > public

> > > > > > > > roads

> > > > > > > > > > just to prove you have nothing to hide? Asking

> > advanced

> > > > and

> > > > > > unique

> > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques of a practising

professional

> > > > > > persistently

> > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > after he has denied access to that knowledge is

very

> > > > rude .

> > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > access to that knowledge was denied because it

can be

> > > > > > > > misinterpreted

> > > > > > > > > > and if you post that " technique " in the VA list,

many

> > > > other

> > > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > > will get anxious (just as some members are

wondering

> > > > what is

> > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > > with their horoscopes with the Garga Hora

posting of

> > > > yours!)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What do I have to gain by withholding

information? I

> > am

> > > > too

> > > > > > > > > > advanced in my profession to be taking advice

from

> > people

> > > > > > > > regarding

> > > > > > > > > > what is the professional way of handling my

clients.

> > I

> > > > have

> > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > malefic intentions, and your accusing me of being

> > unfair

> > > > is

> > > > > > rude

> > > > > > > > (in

> > > > > > > > > > fact each of your mails contains something or the

> > other).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I can assure you only one thing - I have acted

in the

> > > > best of

> > > > > > > > > > intentions.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am posting this in the VA list so that other

> > learned

> > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > might

> > > > > > > > > > put some wisdom into you (I have failed in this

with

> > my

> > > > > > repeated

> > > > > > > > > > replies to you).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " Lalit Mishra, Noida " mlalit@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Res. Pandit Ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On the one hand , I m thankful to you for all ur

> > analysis

> > > > > > and I

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > follow ur instructions but on the other I must

say

> > don't

> > > > > > seem fair

> > > > > > > > > > enough in ur professional approach.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hiding things is not a sign of fairness.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If I knew astrology, perhapse I w'd not have

asked u

> > for

> > > > such

> > > > > > > > simple

> > > > > > > > > > things or charts, required to keep in my

records. My

> > > > level

> > > > > > is not

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > constraint for u to share important charts, if

> > tomorrow I

> > > > > > need to

> > > > > > > > > > contact u for sth, how I w'd do without any

> > reference.

> > > > If I

> > > > > > ask

> > > > > > > > u, u

> > > > > > > > > > should not hold things at ur's end and u don't

gain

> > any

> > > > > > thing with

> > > > > > > > > > ur approach.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> >

===================================================================

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Respected Mohanraaamji:

 

I will just represent these facts:

 

1) I did refuse to share my mobile no. with the member Lalith just

as I do with everyone. I am always accessible by email; and email

exchanges are convenient to me because I can answer them back as

soon as I am free after a pooja session or counselling session.

Getting a phone call in the midst of a pooja or a counselling

disturbs me. Everyone who has moved with me knows that. Somehow

Shri. Lalith got offended by that. I could not help it, and I don't

intend to change my stance of not sharing mobile nos. with anyone.

I DID REFUSE TO SHARE THE PRASHNA CHART WITH HIM FOR REASONS I HAVE

STATED BEFORE AND WHICH RAFALJI HAS ALSO POINTED OUT CORRECTLY

 

2) I NEVER CLAIMED I AM A VVIP IN ANY OF MY MAILS TO HIM....He is

probably exaggerating it in his anger. However, when he wrote

lecturistic mails saying things like " You are unprofessional; you

are hiding something, it is not fair " , etc. I did write " I am too

senior to be taking advices from novices like you " . This is exactly

(or something similar in meaning) what I wrote to him. You are right

in saying that I would not have written like that... Thanks for your

trust in me and my nature.

 

3) Honestly, I did identify the Paisacha Baadha which has got to do

with his own maltreatment of his wife of earlier birth. That is why

I said it was karmic. If it is a simple ghostly visit, exorcism is

not difficult; but when his karma intervenes, we cannot help him

unless his attitude changes and he " accepts " he has possibly gone

wrong somewhere and that is the root of his frustration. Again, he

is not able to digest that he will not get a wife according to his

expectations. That was the real root of the problem. I had

categorically told him that which is what prompted the frequent

mails between us. CAN THE ASTROLOGER PLAY GOD AND SAY WHAT THE

CLIENT WISHES TO HEAR? I do not believe in that. I am a human with

normal human limitations, and I belive even remedies are only humble

Mercy Petitions and it is up to Divine Providence to hear our pleas

and consider our requests favourably.

 

4) I believe Fate is dynamic and remedies do have the potential to

change Fate. It is customary of me to avoid predicting events for

which I have given remedies for this simple reason.....Remedies are

given ONLY when the astrologer sees something is wrong and there is

some hope to redeem the situation. That being the case, if the

client insists on a technically correct analysis at this point of

time - then the prediction should necessarily be negative. But,

then what about the remedies? If they succeed, the thing could

change! Now, what can the astrologer say in this situation. So, my

usual request to clients in such a situation is to perform the

remedies and get back to me after certain period, and later check

with a prashna to see if the remedies have infact produced any

desirable alteration in Fate. Somehow, the member has misunderstood

the dynamics of this and possibly even my motives.

 

5) He wrote to me yesterday apologizing for the bitter turn of

events, and I have Blessed him and requested him to do the

remedies. Even today, he asked for guidance about the sumangali

pooja because it seems the Vedic Pandits in his areas did not about

it. I have detailed the procedure to him. I wonder why he still

harps on the matter sharing things uncharitably about me. I have

been providing him support and guidance to the best of my abilities

and if he still misunderstands me, I can't help it; nor do I have

the time to brood on that.

 

Please for the benefit of the forum, let us end this here.

 

If Shri Lalith is not willing to end the matter, Mohanraaamji - I

implore you ....you at least end this exchange with him.

 

Blessed be.

Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

<mohanraaam wrote:

>

> Dear Lalith:

>

> Can you post in the forum Panditji's mail where you claim he has

> written he is a VVIP? This must be a blatant lie. Pandit

> Dakshinamoorthiji is not one to write like that! This is a

blatant

> lie! I am sure. If Panditji has really claimed he is a VVIP, I

> will take back all that I have written to you.

>

> He has never given his phone no. to anyone in this list. So, what

> special previlege do you think you have got you faggot? Does he

not

> have a right for his own privacy?

>

> What will happen to his sanity if he starts getting your idiotic

> phone calls on top of your stupid mails?

>

> He would have repeatedly written to you only in reply. You would

> have pestered him and he would have replied. You idiot have

failed

> to understand the decency of an astrologer when he has hinted at

> your problems diplomatically, and now you claim " he changed lines "

> as if he is a cheat!

>

> I do not know how long you are associated with this

group.......Ask

> any forum member here whether Panditji is a person who changes

tack

> like that. In fact he is one of the more honest astrologers who

> admits that he has made a mistake if ever he has made one! But,

you

> are almost putting words into his mouth, and depicting as if he

has

> failed in his predictions.

>

> Truth to be told, Panditji would have felt no hope in your

situation

> unless you change yourself; and he would not have seen any

> possibility for that also. Hence he would have been at a loss of

> words as to what to do. Collaring an astrologer when he is trying

> to soothen you with some hopeful predictions is really rude.

>

> Panditji is too senior and respected; otherwise, I would have

> written to him directly regarding this matter and known what is

all

> this......But, believing an idiot like you and enquiring with a

> senior astrologer is not possible.

>

> I again challenge you......show us the mail where Panditji claimed

> hs is VVIP......You liar.....know whom you are accusing!

>

> Mohanraaam.-- In vedic astrology , " litsol "

> <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > What to say u old man, U have lost power to understand :

> >

> > I gave him my own resume, all my projects that i did, simply

gave

> him.

> >

> > Now, I have all rights to call u " Idiot " . U r too full of

> urself, A

> > blind man with heap of false EGO,what happened to me, I shared

> with u

> > and all, still u see, i m telling lies, m criminal. Constantly u

r

> > advancing with ur poor logic and handful knowledge to blame me

for

> > everything.

> >

> > So, you are here to advocate pandit ji, I have not said a single

> word

> > against him and u are abusing me constantly, I have posted my

birth

> > details in the group: - 17 -08-1972, 08:15 PM at Rewa (M.P) and

> sent to

> > pandit ji, if u r using that to tell there is some debilitated

> planet,

> > not a strange for a man like u to play tricks.

> >

> > I purchased a service, didn't complain any thing to any one,

just

> asked

> > a phone no. to remove my doubts, It was my fault coz the Pandit

Ji

> was

> > VVIP, it is his right to not to give me his phone and i have no

> rights.

> > stop it and don't try to be smart. Ok, i still compromised and

> became

> > happy with the sound file, he sent to me after i informed him

> about my

> > difficulty on a portion of mantra. No problems, but i said, this

> created

> > a difference in between.

> >

> > I m still not saying what pandit ji saw and what he didnt, But

he

> mailed

> > me constantly saying, it was my bad karma of previous birth,

very

> normal

> > and very general, every second person w'd tell same, but when i

> informed

> > him about some spirit, he changed his line and said he has

already

> seen

> > it, I agreed to this also, but i thought it's an important

> information,

> > better to keep it in the record, he denied to give this also,

with

> no

> > reason. he said he wont give, still i was not complaining any

> thing,

> > just asked him once more for same prashna, he didn't tell any

> reason and

> > told that he is a VVIP, he wont give what he doesnt want. I

didn't

> > complain.

> >

> > And finally, He posted part of my mail to the group without

> informing

> > me, without seeking my consent and at the same time, he didnt

> forget

> > accusing me that i will disclose his precious techniques in the

> group,

> > mind u idiot, on the one hand he is doing same thing and on the

> other he

> > accused me saying - i may do it, and who did that - Pandit Ji ?

> >

> > And u are here to call me mad. U dont deserve any respect. There

> is no

> > value of ur Age and Experience, Yes, i should call u idiot. You

> want to

> > twist ethics , u cant. u want to use a handful knowledge to twist

> > ethics, u cant.

> >

> > I said something in general about Vedanga, or Vedic Granthas, U

> poker,

> > entering into classification, definition.

> >

> > U want to challange me, for what ? instead of taking the

challange

> or

> > trying to understand what i m saying, what i m sharing openly, u

> keep

> > abusing me.

> >

> > U put me a lot of pain and insult, I dont know if a handfull

> knowledge

> > makes a man like u, Can u tell me where is Priya and can u help

me

> > establish a contact with her, for what, i was craving whole

year,

> that u

> > cant, u wont. coz u r fake.

> >

> > I cant write regards to u. Ok,

> >

> > Lalit.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

<mohanraaam@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalith:

> > >

> > > You have written " Panditji did not write about spirits but you

> told

> > > him.... " But from what he has posted, he had already found it

out

> > > and was not sharing it with you. He had suggested remedies

> > > inclusive of that which is more important. A person of his

> stature

> > > need not try to " prove " his skills by giving shocking

> predictions.

> > > Experts of his calibre definitely are very subtle. In fact the

> > > words " you have to balance your karma of previous lives " that

you

> > > claim he was harping on refers to this ghostly apparition. In

> your

> > > half-baked brain, it did not strike; that is all.

> > >

> > > Again, you claim that you are " helping " nature; and see the

> evidence

> > > you give for that......you have given all the projects that

you

> did

> > > under somebody's resume to " help " him. Legally, my friend, you

> are

> > > not a helper but a " CRIMINAL " . No wonder with all your lies you

> > > cannot share positive vibes with Panditji who never tells lies!

> > >

> > > You claim " shani " visited you; why don't you claim Lord Shiva

> > > visited you! You are mad young man! If you had really had

vision

> > > of Lord Shani it would have been shown in the prashna chart

that

> you

> > > are a Divine personality. You probably have debilitated

planets

> in

> > > your 9th house. You have delusions of spirituality.

> > >

> > > You have written " You do not differentiate knowledge " ; but you

> have

> > > no rights to declassify what ancient people have classified

with

> a

> > > purpose. Vedangas, shaastras, all might be one for you; but

they

> > > have differnet purposes. Do not try to sit in judgment over the

> > > wisdom of the great Seers and Saints who did tapasya before

> giving

> > > those wonderful shastras to us.

> > >

> > > You have said you have learnt some vedas to search at your

> Brahmin

> > > roots. You have definitely not learnt under a competent person

or

> > > as usual, you have not imbibed the essence of the teachings

well.

> > > Vedas are oceanic and the little spec of knowledge you have in

> that

> > > does not qualify you to speak like this.

> > >

> > > " Hitham poorva aachaarya vaakyena " means " welfare comes by

> following

> > > the words of ancient Masters " is a known Dharma shastraic

> injunction.

> > >

> > > You can research on things, you can analyze things with an open

> > > mind; but do so with a reverential attitude and not with the

> > > assumption " that in India they did not spread knowledge, etc. "

> The

> > > saints have purposefully hidden some powerful knowledge

sources

> so

> > > that they are not misused by half-baked morons. You see,

knowing

> > > some part of vedas makes you think that you are qualified to

> comment

> > > on that.....it is precisely to avoid such calamities, that

> ancients

> > > hid powerful arts. Those arts in the hands of good persons can

> > > benefit many, while they will become subjects of mockery in the

> > > hands of those who do not appreciate their Divinity.

> > >

> > > You have written " My Ego has made me angry " ...what is there

young

> > > man? I got angry not because you attacked me or even Panditji;

> but

> > > because you have attacked this Divine Art and are remorseless.

> > >

> > > Please do not say that Shani spoke to you; you may be put into

an

> > > asylum for Paronia, Delusional Disorder, schizoid personality

> > > disorder, etc.

> > >

> > > I sincerely apologize to the list for having written such a

> personal

> > > mail in this list, but this man cannot go unchallenged after

he

> has

> > > attempted to malign Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji - a noble soul

who

> is

> > > the pride of this group, and who I am sure - is considered as a

> > > Blessing to this group by many members. I have nothing

personal

> in

> > > this. Even if this person had called me an " idiot " or even in

> > > unparliamentary language, I would have forgiven him; but his

> > > irreverential attitude towards astrology and Panditji has

really

> put

> > > me off and prompted me in this exchange.

> > >

> > > No matter what he writes, I will not reply henceforth.

> > >

> > > Mohanraaam.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " litsol " mishra.lalit@

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mohanraaam - Yogi,

> > > >

> > > > Your are so angry, what causes anger, a hurt ego... nothing

> else.

> > > >

> > > > Even u have addressed your mail to Mr. Abhishek, while

replying

> > > to me.

> > > > Pls. cool down.

> > > > I have told u about " P - Priya and Preeti ... " .

> > > >

> > > > The first half part of ur findings is true, how much true, I

> will

> > > tell u

> > > > - " I knew two girls, whose name begins with 'P', one is

Preeti

> and

> > > other

> > > > is Priya " . right, I m not like u, i mean, a man who is

caught

> up

> > > in

> > > > abundance of EGO, have confidence to accept the truth upto

> where

> > > it is

> > > > true.

> > > >

> > > > Preeti is a Biotech student and she contacted me after she

saw

> my

> > > > profile in the net, She is taller than me and 9 yrs younger

to

> me,

> > > > still, wanted to proceed towards marriage, I thought this

may

> look

> > > good

> > > > today but tomorrow may not, I asked her to not to contact me

> as i

> > > dont

> > > > think good prospects of togatherness, off cource, she w'd

have

> > > > discussed it in my home town, Rewa is not a big place and we

> all

> > > are

> > > > brahmins, so things gets spread, the communication was

throuh

> net

> > > and

> > > > few times through phone, pls. mind it, i have not seen her

> > > physically.

> > > > never met her physically. So, ur prashan chart skills need

to

> ne

> > > > refined, the basic is good, after a point and the

interprition

> > > that u do

> > > > is misleading. Ok.

> > > >

> > > > Next is Priya, I liked this girl more, and felt bad about

her,

> she

> > > is a

> > > > kind of girl, misguided by the peers and this age.

> > > >

> > > > I never met her also, try to check in ur's prashna chart, She

> > > again met

> > > > me through Net, She gave her false introduction like She is a

> > > Software

> > > > Engineer, working with Mphasis, Bombay and about to visit

> Germany,

> > > All

> > > > was wrong. She had a boy friend, once she refered to me and

> then a

> > > > deviation came in her behaviro, As per priya he already

> proposed

> > > her,

> > > > but some disturbance between them came, He didn't belong to

a

> good

> > > > family and of cheep type guy.

> > > >

> > > > I was worried for her, I never wanted her to spoil her life

> with

> > > a such

> > > > type of guy, I tried to convince about the meaning of life

and

> > > values of

> > > > our culture, She felt bad, and got angry, Once what happened

> and

> > > still

> > > > unbelievable to me, let me put here, During my daily puja, I

> saw

> > > Shani

> > > > is coming to me and has occupied me, I have got divine

> protection

> > > form

> > > > lord Hanuman Ji, still, i could not call him for help, what i

> > > could do

> > > > and i had no idea about a learned siddha, what happens is,

in a

> > > minute

> > > > My frined Nirmesh called me from mumbai.

> > > >

> > > > My friend Nirmesh is a Sr, HR Manager with Reliance Retail,

he

> was

> > > with

> > > > his girl friend, in fact i played a role in reconcilation of

> > > disturbance

> > > > between them so they were calling me, As Priya told to me,

she

> > > lives in

> > > > Bombay, I missed her, and thought to contact her, I wanted to

> > > write a

> > > > mail about me , a mail with all my emotions but here Saturn

> Played

> > > a

> > > > role and in place of sending that emotionl mail to Priya, I

> happen

> > > to

> > > > post that mail in a , she and me both were

members,

> I

> > > > created that group to promote youngersters of my region in

> software

> > > > industry, and my own personal mail was posted in the group,

My

> own

> > > > mistake, Pls. check, if u are referring to this incident.

> > > >

> > > > She became so angry on me, but what i could do, all was my

> mistake

> > > and i

> > > > lost her, I w'd like to tell u more, A friend of me was

> jobless, I

> > > gave

> > > > him my own CV to put his name on the CV with all my projects

> in his

> > > > name, Pls check in ur's prashna chart. How i help people.

Next

> day

> > > > after this incident, His birthday came, And the Priya

addressed

> > > him with

> > > > so much of respect, The guy, in place of showing a respect

> towards

> > > me

> > > > for my help, commented on me, A cunning man, I dont know he

and

> > > many

> > > > others have contributed more in widening the gap in between

me

> and

> > > > Priya. I dont know if he is still in touch with her, or all

was

> > > planned

> > > > by them togather. I dont know anything.

> > > >

> > > > I still dont know who this Priya was and where she lives in,

If

> > > she is a

> > > > girl or a game of those guys who wanted me to look down in

that

> > >

> > > > Group. coz, when i started searching her, what i found is, in

> > > mphasis

> > > > there is only one Priya Tiwari, who works with a BPO, she

was

> not

> > > a

> > > > Software Engineer and she never lived in Bombay, She was in

> Noida

> > > > itself. For ur satisfaction, I can post my mails to HR

> department

> > > of

> > > > Mphasis.

> > > >

> > > > I dont know what happend to her, This BPO priya, i also have

> not

> > > met

> > > > her, looks different than the other Priya whom i was

searching.

> > > >

> > > > So, Dear old friend, Check ur Prashna Chart skills more and

> more,

> > > Baiscs

> > > > are correct, ur interpretition is quite wrong and u have not

> got

> > > enough

> > > > experience in life to judge me and realities.

> > > >

> > > > whatever be is Vedanga or Shastra, I wanted to let u know

every

> > > bit of

> > > > knowledge is divine and pavitra. Leave the arrogance and

start

> > > doing

> > > > preperation for ur journey that u have to do in near future.

> > > >

> > > > If any one in the Group, can give light on this Priya's

case,

> coz

> > > i had

> > > > soft feelings for her despite all her lies, I w'd be grateful

> > > otherwise

> > > > it's OK. Can u tell me how and where she is and if she really

> > > exists,

> > > > and if any occult people can help me in establishing a

contact

> > > with her

> > > > if she really exists w'd be good for me. I w'd pay whatever u

> > > demand.

> > > > Will any one take the challange ? i wont ask u what u cant

do,

> I

> > > > promise.

> > > >

> > > > I didn't tell about Preeti and Priya to Pandit ji it was not

> > > necessary,

> > > > better if he w'd have told me sth about them, but Pandit Ji

all

> > > the time

> > > > kept telling me about my Karmic Balance of the previous

birth,

> It

> > > was me

> > > > who gave him hints abot the spirit, Not he, he didnt tell me

> any

> > > thing

> > > > about the spirit and when i told him about the spirti's

> storey, he

> > > said

> > > > he has seen it Prashan chart, tell me where i was wrong, I

> asked

> > > him to

> > > > give me Prashan Chart, he denied.

> > > >

> > > > Dear old friend, why u could not see in ur's prashna chart

the

> > > Saturn

> > > > who got me occupied me during my Puja, I was not sleeping, I

> saw

> > > him

> > > > with open eyes.

> > > >

> > > > Pls. check ur's prashna chart and I w'd request Mr. Rafal to

> > > interefere

> > > > and tell me about Priya, coz, i m having some pain, I dont

know

> > > anything

> > > > , any truth of Priya Tiwari. I have her photograpgh that she

> sent

> > > to me

> > > > which differs from the Priya whom i discovered in mphasis.

> > > >

> > > > Will any one come to help me ?

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

> <mohanraaam@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Abhishek:

> > > > >

> > > > > Know the difference between shastraas and the

> vedaangas.....you

> > > > > think an astrologer and a yogi like me would not have

known

> all

> > > > > these! siksha, kalpam, chandas, mimamsa,nruktam and

Jyotisam

> are

> > > > > the vedangas. Don't confuse the 18 shastras or the 64

mighty

> arts

> > > > > with vedanga. You are shallow young man but are trying to

> pass

> > > > > judgments on great branches of knowledge and great persons

of

> > > > > knowledge. I am 86 years old and have lived a full life

with

> a

> > > > > happy wife and 4 intelligent, well-settled children. Not a

> > > > > frustrated unmarried luckless youngman like you!

> > > > >

> > > > > Whatever you said to Panditji...I do not know because he

has

> not

> > > > > divulged the complete exchange inthe forum...I think he

> should

> > > > > probably do that to expose your arrogance and idiocy

levels

> to

> > > this

> > > > > group......

> > > > >

> > > > > You may say that you did not have affairs - then what do

you

> > > tell of

> > > > > a thing when you go after ladies and get heart-broken when

> they

> > > > > reject your proposal? You could not proceed to the level

of a

> > > > > mutual affair because they did not entertain you at all!

> > > > >

> > > > > You have not commented on my finding about Priya/

> preeti.....I am

> > > > > sure it is correct! And definitely your failures in this

> regard

> > > > > would have been a butt of jokes in your circle. I can bet

on

> > > that.

> > > > > But definitely you will come out with your own versions to

> deny

> > > this.

> > > > >

> > > > > Did you tell all this to Guruji? I am sure you would not

have

> > > > > shared it in this light - but mark my words, he would have

> found

> > > it

> > > > > out definitely! Only thing is - he is too decent to hurt

> others

> > > > > unnecessarily.

> > > > >

> > > > > Your posts are not clear....you are saying this and that

> without

> > > > > actually commenting on what others have written. Don't pass

> > > > > judgement on astrology or its efficacy.Astrology is a basic

> > > > > technique that one learns before predicting - but advanced

> > > > > astrologers read far more into charts than what they

indicate

> > > from

> > > > > conventional astrological classics - it is an applied

field

> and

> > > the

> > > > > horoscope is just a focus and an accessory tool for

> prediction in

> > > > > the hands of the greatest masters of this field.

> > > > >

> > > > > Definitely you are not one to comment on the need of

> astrological

> > > > > research without knowing the basic vedic etiquettes of

> behaving

> > > with

> > > > > learned astrologers!

> > > > >

> > > > > Definitely Guruji's wise counsel have been useless to you -

a

> > > > > buffalo will cherish only the muddy waters - will it know

the

> > > > > differnece between Ganges and the gutter?

> > > > >

> > > > > One suggestion young man - try to go into Guruji's mails

> > > carefully

> > > > > and quietly. His words are worth their weight in gold

> usually.

> > > > > Many have benefitted by his counsel - do not try to look

> > > for " your

> > > > > own version of truths " from his writings. If you do that,

it

> is a

> > > > > waste of whatever money you paid Panditji. Understand his

> > > counsel,

> > > > > try to follow them, and you will do fine. But, stop

> insulting and

> > > > > passing unnecessary remarks on astrology and need for

> > > astrological

> > > > > development. Some self-seeking astrologers - capitalizing

on

> the

> > > > > craze of Indian public for " scientific " research, " modern

> > > research

> > > > > into old classics " etc, have written volumes about the

need

> for

> > > > > evolution of astrology whereas the reality is those who

> follow

> > > > > ancient classical wisdom have proved more efficient in all

> these

> > > > > predictive techniques than those " researchers " . Parampara

> has its

> > > > > own significance. You still eat through your mouth though

> times

> > > > > have changed (I am assuming here; or are you eating

through

> the

> > > > > other end for novelty sake?). In the same way, nature has

not

> > > > > changed only certain outer manifestations have changed.

Only

> > > minor

> > > > > modification of interpretaions are needed to suit

> predictions to

> > > > > modern day life and definitely there are not much gaps.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mohanraaam.

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol "

> mishra.lalit@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I cant say u " Idiot " and wont speak to u using level of

> ur's

> > > > > language,

> > > > > > ok, Pls. check ur's Prashna Skills 100 times and

discover

> more

> > > > > about me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And my love affairs, I had no affair with any one,

right,

> check

> > > > > it in

> > > > > > ur Prashan Chart, however, when marriage came in my

mind, i

> > > came in

> > > > > > touch with girls, liked two or three of them, ok, they

> didn't

> > > like

> > > > > me,

> > > > > > It happens. It was me who beforehand informed Panditji as

> > > inputs

> > > > > are

> > > > > > required to reach somewhere.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > See, i can say, the basic finding of ur prashan chart

like

> > > break

> > > > > ups is

> > > > > > true, but is little it misleading too, as no brak up in

> sense

> > > of

> > > > > > break-up happened as no affiar even started, sometimes, u

> > > should

> > > > > be

> > > > > > careful more in reaching ur conclusions, that's why i

say,

> more

> > > > > and more

> > > > > > remains to discover, It's - " Apaurusheya "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Well, can u tell, in the storey, u posted in group,

where

> is

> > > the

> > > > > > " P-Priya, Preti etc.. " ? I will be more than happy to

see

> ur

> > > > > findings,

> > > > > > What Guruji said was completely different from u, I

> discussed

> > > > > with him

> > > > > > why i dont get proposals from girls even having average

> looks,

> > > He

> > > > > said

> > > > > > to me, You change utr attitude and consider such

> proposals, i

> > > > > further

> > > > > > asked him is it a big expectation to find a nice sweet

> person,

> > > i

> > > > > dont

> > > > > > think a model or actress but a girl with little good

looks

> and

> > > good

> > > > > > nature, even it is difficult, if it is difficult, i was

> asking

> > > him

> > > > > and

> > > > > > describing him about me, my needs, my thoughts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and on what u did write - " And your posts about

astrology

> in

> > > your

> > > > > > arguments with Shri. Abhishek also clearly protray your

> idiocy!

> > > > > You are

> > > > > > asking why Astrology

> > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other things?

> > > Idiot -

> > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas and

not

> > > > > > Engineering......You do not know all this

classifications

> and

> > > are

> > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to comment

on

> > > > > > subjects without knowing them "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pls study " Shulb Sutras " ok, U will find, Engineering is

> there,

> > > > > > Mathmatics is there, Ayourveda as medical science is

there.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are showing u r too full of urself, somtimes it

> happens to

> > > few

> > > > > > people.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

> > > <mohanraaam@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lalith:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You " demanded " Panditji's phone no. and he

refused....you

> > > think

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > has no right to do that? It is his privacy...when you

> have

> > > been

> > > > > > > pestering him over email how much more irresponsible

you

> > > would

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > been if he had given his phone no.? You think Panditji

> has

> > > time

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > spend on worthless brats like you who think the world

is

> > > > > revolving

> > > > > > > around them? He has sent you an audio recording of the

> > > mantra -

> > > > > > > what else you need to know? Is the Great Man your

slave

> or

> > > what

> > > > > > > that you can demand everything that you want from him?

> He is

> > > too

> > > > > > > proud for that!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You have no right to expect anything except service

for

> your

> > > > > > > payment - assuming you have made some payment to

Guruji!

> Do

> > > you

> > > > > > > think you have bought him just because you asked his

> > > service? I

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > sure you would have written something silly like this

> (your

> > > > > current

> > > > > > > post is in itself silly) that annoyed Panditji! You

say

> the

> > > > > matter

> > > > > > > is over - but you keep on saying things as if Panditji

> has

> > > done a

> > > > > > > mistake and you are justified.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And your posts about astrology in your arguments with

> Shri.

> > > > > Abhishek

> > > > > > > also clearly protray your idiocy! You are asking why

> > > Astrology

> > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other

things?

> > > Idiot -

> > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas

and

> not

> > > > > > > Engineering......You do not know all this

classifications

> > > and are

> > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to

comment

> on

> > > > > > > subjects without knowing them.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I just checked up a prashna chart to see what sort of

> person

> > > you

> > > > > > > are.....From this, try to understand what all

astrology

> is

> > > > > capable

> > > > > > > of.....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Last year you would have proposed to a Lady - and your

> > > failure

> > > > > was a

> > > > > > > widely circulated joke in your social circle.....is it

> true

> > > or

> > > > > not?

> > > > > > > Just understand - people have made fun of you only

> because of

> > > > > > > your " loser " attitude. You are childish in your

attitude;

> > > this is

> > > > > > > one reason why women in your life are running away

from

> you.

> > > > > Guruji

> > > > > > > has just hinted on love failures in his post - but my

> prashna

> > > > > > > clearly indicates they have rejected you outright after

> > > initial

> > > > > > > interactions with you because you have been " chasing "

> them

> > > and

> > > > > > > troubling them with undiplomatic messages

persistently.

> Your

> > > last

> > > > > > > serious connection when the lady rejected your

proposal -

> her

> > > > > name

> > > > > > > is likely to be in the " pa " varga (preeti, Priya, etc.

> any of

> > > > > these -

> > > > > > > you may think I have not found the right name - but

> knowing

> > > the

> > > > > > > initial word of a person about whom I know nothing is

in

> > > itself

> > > > > > > difficult - and no amount of research in scientific

> > > astrology can

> > > > > > > give the exact name! Don't think your " researches " will

> > > > > > > automatically pave the way to find the name and glorify

> > > > > astrology -

> > > > > > > because that is not possible!)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now do you understand what an astrologer is capable of!

> > > Guruji is

> > > > > > > too decent to insult you by writing like this -

> definitely he

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > have found out all these. He would have counselled you

> about

> > > > > change

> > > > > > > of attitude mainly regarding this....you would not

have

> got

> > > the

> > > > > > > hint. Yet in message after message you are justifying

and

> > > > > > > projecting as if your grievance is genuine.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Heights of arrogance - thinking you have the right to

> > > disturb a

> > > > > > > learned senior astrologer as and when you want! I am

> > > associated

> > > > > > > with Panditji for so long and yet I do not have his

> mobile

> > > no. do

> > > > > > > you know that? He has email id and he is very prompt

in

> his

> > > > > replies

> > > > > > > through that. Do you know anything of that great man

or

> his

> > > daily

> > > > > > > schedules? He has not merely one client like you - but

> > > thosands

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > admirers, students, disciples, and clients all over the

> > > world. If

> > > > > > > all start calling Guruji will he ever have time for

> himself?

> > > That

> > > > > > > is why he is not giving the mobile. Your post speaks

as

> if

> > > he is

> > > > > > > hiding himself.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is probably his mistake that he is helping out

people

> like

> > > > > you -

> > > > > > > the great man does not differentiate much and tries to

> help

> > > out

> > > > > > > suffering people even if they are undeserving.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Try to change your attitude for your own good. Improve

> > > yourself

> > > > > > > before trying to comment on great fields like

astrology,

> > > about

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > you do not know even a speck. There are no gaps in

> > > astrological

> > > > > > > knowledge. Enough knowledge has been documented as

Shri.

> > > Potti

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > written in his post.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mohanraaam.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > .vedic astrology , " litsol "

> > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear primusjyotish,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You are right, in fact differences begane, when i

asked

> > > Pandit

> > > > > Ji's

> > > > > > > > phone nos to communicate to him, he refused to give

his

> > > nos, I

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > surprised, being a client, paying for the

consultation

> a

> > > clear

> > > > > > > > communication is required, so at least a

communication

> over

> > > > > phone

> > > > > > > > should happen, It was refused, he recommened a

mantra,

> i

> > > was

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > on it's pronunciation, the rerequest to tell right

> > > > > pronunciation

> > > > > > > over

> > > > > > > > phone was also refused, then a copy of charts made

was

> > > refused.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I didnt come to group for so many refusals.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And there were two contradictory explanations , the

> timing

> > > > > given

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > very wide for an event - one year and it was said

that

> it's

> > > > > > > conditional

> > > > > > > > too, I was not understanding what to conclude and

then

> > > pandit

> > > > > Ji

> > > > > > > posted

> > > > > > > > my private communication partly in the group. Later,

> > > pandit ji

> > > > > > > provided

> > > > > > > > me sound files of the mantras, ok, my confusion on

> > > > > pronunciation

> > > > > > > > removed.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now, it is over, and i dont want to discuss it

further.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Jyotish

> > > Volunteers "

> > > > > > > > <primusjyotishi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > One would not consult a doctor for his physical

> ailments

> > > or a

> > > > > > > > > psychiatrist for his mental ailments through

> internet.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Perhaps this is why many like Sri K.N. Rao strongly

> > > recommend

> > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > seeking solutions to serious matters via internet

> and to

> > > use

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > tested procedure of face-to-face, in-person

> consultation.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Convenience gets in the way and causes more pain

> > > ultimately,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > need to get the answer here and now,

> unfortunately ...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol "

> > > > > mishra.lalit@

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Pandit Ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I bought a service and had a private

communication,

> > > it's at

> > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > sight

> > > > > > > > > > wrong for u to post any part of private

> communication

> > > > > without

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > consent.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > U cant imagine anything solely at ur end, if i

> myself

> > > gave

> > > > > u

> > > > > > > hints

> > > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > possible obstacle due to spirit, how i m going

to

> fear

> > > some

> > > > > > > thing

> > > > > > > > > or the

> > > > > > > > > > other. This should not be basis of not providing

> > > > > infomation.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You are at advanced level, which is realized by

> many

> > > that's

> > > > > > > why u

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > being contacted, but that u r into deciding

> everything

> > > in

> > > > > > > > > profession one

> > > > > > > > > > sided, can not be justified.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Though, i wanted chart for keeping in my

records,

> with

> > > no

> > > > > > > doubts on

> > > > > > > > > u,

> > > > > > > > > > ur apporach makes me think otherwise.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In any profession, transparency is key to gain

> one's

> > > faith

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > that u

> > > > > > > > > > didn't bother this, on the basis of ur advanced

> level u

> > > > > pls.

> > > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > > > > justify what is incorrect, it's a pity that u

make

> ur

> > > mood

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > post

> > > > > > > > > > private communication and at the same time, in ur

> > > reply to

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > private

> > > > > > > > > > mail id, u accused me that i can post ur advanced

> > > > > technique in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > group, I dont know how to react.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > That's a clear contradiction, I was interested

in

> the

> > > final

> > > > > > > outcome

> > > > > > > > > > which is chart, i should know that, and not in

ur's

> > > > > technique

> > > > > > > but u

> > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > made it a public issue instread of giving same

to

> me.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Why development of ancient knowledge has come to

an

> > > end is

> > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > this fear which i dont know why some knowledgable

> > > people

> > > > > like u

> > > > > > > > > > insttalled within.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I wish to assure u that ur respect is no way

> > > corroborated

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > intact in

> > > > > > > > > > my views, i m also thankful to u for the

remedies

> and

> > > > > mantras u

> > > > > > > > > provided

> > > > > > > > > > to me, even if that dont work, i will have same

> respect

> > > > > for u

> > > > > > > but u

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > completely wrong at ur part in ur dealings. Pls.

> check

> > > ur

> > > > > > > dasha and

> > > > > > > > > > antardasha, something wrong somewhere.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vedic-

> > > astrology , " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am posting an extract of the interaction

> between

> > > myself

> > > > > > > and one

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > this list members who wanted a prediction from

> me. I

> > > have

> > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > counselling based on his horoscope and also

> based on

> > > a

> > > > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > > > chart. Marital chart showed marital delays and

> > > problem

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > love

> > > > > > > > > > > matters which he has already experienced. The

> prashna

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > showed

> > > > > > > > > > > the possibility of " Paisacha baadha " (trouble

> due to

> > > > > ghostly

> > > > > > > > > > > entities that block happiness in the family).

I

> had

> > > taken

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > matter into account and not wanting to scare

the

> > > member

> > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily, I had not divulged the matter

to

> him.

> > > > > > > Instead, I

> > > > > > > > > > > suggested beeja mantras to counteract that

> effect and

> > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > suggested " Sumangali Pooja " to be performed.

He

> later

> > > > > came

> > > > > > > back to

> > > > > > > > > > > me and asked about the ghostly events himself

> > > because his

> > > > > > > family

> > > > > > > > > > > members have had visitations from that entity.

I

> > > replied

> > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > > saying that I have already taken that factor

into

> > > account

> > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > giving my suggestions.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The prashna chart showed that the entity is

> likely to

> > > > > leave

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > Earth Plane by this year end and so it cannot

> trouble

> > > > > him any

> > > > > > > > > > > longer. So, based on that and also based on his

> > > > > horoscope,

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > having faith in the remedies I had suggested,

I

> had

> > > > > predicted

> > > > > > > > > > > possibility of marriage in Feb 2008 or in 2009.

> > > Actually,

> > > > > > > dasa-

> > > > > > > > > > > bhukti and transit influences are quite tough

and

> > > > > > > contradictory

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > this event and I had taken so many factors and

> > > > > > > balanced/counter-

> > > > > > > > > > > balanced so many possibilities and had

predicted

> the

> > > > > date as

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > Benediction; let the marriage happen in Feb

> 2008! I

> > > had

> > > > > even

> > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > > to the extent of suggesting attitude

modification

> > > (he may

> > > > > > > not get

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > wife of his expectations) for the marriage to

> > > happen; or

> > > > > > > else it

> > > > > > > > > > > might even be denied.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Now, the member has been persisting about

> sharing the

> > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > with him. I had given him broad hints about

why I

> > > though

> > > > > > > Paisacha

> > > > > > > > > > > baadha was there for him; but he insists that I

> > > share the

> > > > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > > > chart and give the complete details to him, or

> else

> > > I am

> > > > > > > unfair!

> > > > > > > > > My

> > > > > > > > > > > reservation regarding this is that prashna is

an

> > > advanced

> > > > > > > > > > > application and sharing its techniques offhand

> may be

> > > > > > > confusing

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > may lead the native into reading too much into

> each

> > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > and fear paisacha baadha when infact it might

> not be

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > at all!

> > > > > > > > > > > He does not understand me and is getting at me

> > > prompting

> > > > > me

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > write

> > > > > > > > > > > mail after mail and I am at my patience's end!

> If I

> > > spend

> > > > > > > > > pointless

> > > > > > > > > > > time debating like this with one person how

can I

> > > serve

> > > > > > > > > > > others.....Why does not this member understand

> this?

> > > Not

> > > > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > > > > > sensitive prashna charts is a hallowed

> > > tradition......Am

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > justified in my action when I have acted in

the

> best

> > > > > > > interests of

> > > > > > > > > > > the member?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am posting the latest exchange between us

for

> your

> > > > > > > reference. I

> > > > > > > > > > > request those who are knowledgeable in

authentic

> > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > traditions

> > > > > > > > > > > to write to the member (He is the person who is

> > > cutting

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > pasting

> > > > > > > > > > > the Garga Hora in this list) telling him that

I

> am

> > > > > justified

> > > > > > > in my

> > > > > > > > > > > stand, and I am doing it in the best

interests.

> He

> > > does

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > understand the danger of maintaining the

prashna

> > > chart

> > > > > > > indicating

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > paisacha baadha which is inauspicious! I am

> pained

> > > by his

> > > > > > > words

> > > > > > > > > > > like " Your are hiding something; hiding things

is

> > > not a

> > > > > sign

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > fairness " etc. It is almost like accusing me of

> > > being a

> > > > > > > cheat!

> > > > > > > > > Again

> > > > > > > > > > > he comment on my professionalism; I am acting

as

> per

> > > my

> > > > > > > > > professional

> > > > > > > > > > > ethics; why is he - a novice imputing motives

to

> me

> > > and

> > > > > > > commenting

> > > > > > > > > > > on my professionalism? Is this what an

astrologer

> > > gets

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > service?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Below is the extract....

> > > > > > > > > > > --------------

--

> ----

> > > ----

> > > > > ----

> > > > > > > -----

> > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith Mishra:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Unnecessary openness in the name of frankness

is

> the

> > > > > bane of

> > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > society now-a-days. Will you go out in the

nude

> on

> > > the

> > > > > public

> > > > > > > > > roads

> > > > > > > > > > > just to prove you have nothing to hide? Asking

> > > advanced

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > unique

> > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques of a practising

> professional

> > > > > > > persistently

> > > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > > after he has denied access to that knowledge

is

> very

> > > > > rude .

> > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > access to that knowledge was denied because it

> can be

> > > > > > > > > misinterpreted

> > > > > > > > > > > and if you post that " technique " in the VA

list,

> many

> > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > > > will get anxious (just as some members are

> wondering

> > > > > what is

> > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > with their horoscopes with the Garga Hora

> posting of

> > > > > yours!)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What do I have to gain by withholding

> information? I

> > > am

> > > > > too

> > > > > > > > > > > advanced in my profession to be taking advice

> from

> > > people

> > > > > > > > > regarding

> > > > > > > > > > > what is the professional way of handling my

> clients.

> > > I

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > malefic intentions, and your accusing me of

being

> > > unfair

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > rude

> > > > > > > > > (in

> > > > > > > > > > > fact each of your mails contains something or

the

> > > other).

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I can assure you only one thing - I have acted

> in the

> > > > > best of

> > > > > > > > > > > intentions.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am posting this in the VA list so that other

> > > learned

> > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > might

> > > > > > > > > > > put some wisdom into you (I have failed in

this

> with

> > > my

> > > > > > > repeated

> > > > > > > > > > > replies to you).

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > " Lalit Mishra, Noida " mlalit@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Res. Pandit Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > On the one hand , I m thankful to you for all

ur

> > > analysis

> > > > > > > and I

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > follow ur instructions but on the other I must

> say

> > > don't

> > > > > > > seem fair

> > > > > > > > > > > enough in ur professional approach.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Hiding things is not a sign of fairness.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If I knew astrology, perhapse I w'd not have

> asked u

> > > for

> > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > simple

> > > > > > > > > > > things or charts, required to keep in my

> records. My

> > > > > level

> > > > > > > is not

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > constraint for u to share important charts, if

> > > tomorrow I

> > > > > > > need to

> > > > > > > > > > > contact u for sth, how I w'd do without any

> > > reference.

> > > > > If I

> > > > > > > ask

> > > > > > > > > u, u

> > > > > > > > > > > should not hold things at ur's end and u don't

> gain

> > > any

> > > > > > > thing with

> > > > > > > > > > > ur approach.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> ===================================================================

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Respected Pandit-ji and members,

 

Could you please recommend a book where I can read and learn about Paisacha

Baadha and other karmic effects? A book in English which explains karma in

detail and the planetary positions in charts for things like Paisacha Baadha

would be ideal.

 

Many thanks in advance.

 

Best wishes,

 

Anita

 

 

dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer wrote:

Respected Mohanraaamji:

 

I will just represent these facts:

 

1) I did refuse to share my mobile no. with the member Lalith just

as I do with everyone. I am always accessible by email; and email

exchanges are convenient to me because I can answer them back as

soon as I am free after a pooja session or counselling session.

Getting a phone call in the midst of a pooja or a counselling

disturbs me. Everyone who has moved with me knows that. Somehow

Shri. Lalith got offended by that. I could not help it, and I don't

intend to change my stance of not sharing mobile nos. with anyone.

I DID REFUSE TO SHARE THE PRASHNA CHART WITH HIM FOR REASONS I HAVE

STATED BEFORE AND WHICH RAFALJI HAS ALSO POINTED OUT CORRECTLY

 

2) I NEVER CLAIMED I AM A VVIP IN ANY OF MY MAILS TO HIM....He is

probably exaggerating it in his anger. However, when he wrote

lecturistic mails saying things like " You are unprofessional; you

are hiding something, it is not fair " , etc. I did write " I am too

senior to be taking advices from novices like you " . This is exactly

(or something similar in meaning) what I wrote to him. You are right

in saying that I would not have written like that... Thanks for your

trust in me and my nature.

 

3) Honestly, I did identify the Paisacha Baadha which has got to do

with his own maltreatment of his wife of earlier birth. That is why

I said it was karmic. If it is a simple ghostly visit, exorcism is

not difficult; but when his karma intervenes, we cannot help him

unless his attitude changes and he " accepts " he has possibly gone

wrong somewhere and that is the root of his frustration. Again, he

is not able to digest that he will not get a wife according to his

expectations. That was the real root of the problem. I had

categorically told him that which is what prompted the frequent

mails between us. CAN THE ASTROLOGER PLAY GOD AND SAY WHAT THE

CLIENT WISHES TO HEAR? I do not believe in that. I am a human with

normal human limitations, and I belive even remedies are only humble

Mercy Petitions and it is up to Divine Providence to hear our pleas

and consider our requests favourably.

 

4) I believe Fate is dynamic and remedies do have the potential to

change Fate. It is customary of me to avoid predicting events for

which I have given remedies for this simple reason.....Remedies are

given ONLY when the astrologer sees something is wrong and there is

some hope to redeem the situation. That being the case, if the

client insists on a technically correct analysis at this point of

time - then the prediction should necessarily be negative. But,

then what about the remedies? If they succeed, the thing could

change! Now, what can the astrologer say in this situation. So, my

usual request to clients in such a situation is to perform the

remedies and get back to me after certain period, and later check

with a prashna to see if the remedies have infact produced any

desirable alteration in Fate. Somehow, the member has misunderstood

the dynamics of this and possibly even my motives.

 

5) He wrote to me yesterday apologizing for the bitter turn of

events, and I have Blessed him and requested him to do the

remedies. Even today, he asked for guidance about the sumangali

pooja because it seems the Vedic Pandits in his areas did not about

it. I have detailed the procedure to him. I wonder why he still

harps on the matter sharing things uncharitably about me. I have

been providing him support and guidance to the best of my abilities

and if he still misunderstands me, I can't help it; nor do I have

the time to brood on that.

 

Please for the benefit of the forum, let us end this here.

 

If Shri Lalith is not willing to end the matter, Mohanraaamji - I

implore you ....you at least end this exchange with him.

 

Blessed be.

Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

<mohanraaam wrote:

>

> Dear Lalith:

>

> Can you post in the forum Panditji's mail where you claim he has

> written he is a VVIP? This must be a blatant lie. Pandit

> Dakshinamoorthiji is not one to write like that! This is a

blatant

> lie! I am sure. If Panditji has really claimed he is a VVIP, I

> will take back all that I have written to you.

>

> He has never given his phone no. to anyone in this list. So, what

> special previlege do you think you have got you faggot? Does he

not

> have a right for his own privacy?

>

> What will happen to his sanity if he starts getting your idiotic

> phone calls on top of your stupid mails?

>

> He would have repeatedly written to you only in reply. You would

> have pestered him and he would have replied. You idiot have

failed

> to understand the decency of an astrologer when he has hinted at

> your problems diplomatically, and now you claim " he changed lines "

> as if he is a cheat!

>

> I do not know how long you are associated with this

group.......Ask

> any forum member here whether Panditji is a person who changes

tack

> like that. In fact he is one of the more honest astrologers who

> admits that he has made a mistake if ever he has made one! But,

you

> are almost putting words into his mouth, and depicting as if he

has

> failed in his predictions.

>

> Truth to be told, Panditji would have felt no hope in your

situation

> unless you change yourself; and he would not have seen any

> possibility for that also. Hence he would have been at a loss of

> words as to what to do. Collaring an astrologer when he is trying

> to soothen you with some hopeful predictions is really rude.

>

> Panditji is too senior and respected; otherwise, I would have

> written to him directly regarding this matter and known what is

all

> this......But, believing an idiot like you and enquiring with a

> senior astrologer is not possible.

>

> I again challenge you......show us the mail where Panditji claimed

> hs is VVIP......You liar.....know whom you are accusing!

>

> Mohanraaam.-- In vedic astrology , " litsol "

> <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > What to say u old man, U have lost power to understand :

> >

> > I gave him my own resume, all my projects that i did, simply

gave

> him.

> >

> > Now, I have all rights to call u " Idiot " . U r too full of

> urself, A

> > blind man with heap of false EGO,what happened to me, I shared

> with u

> > and all, still u see, i m telling lies, m criminal. Constantly u

r

> > advancing with ur poor logic and handful knowledge to blame me

for

> > everything.

> >

> > So, you are here to advocate pandit ji, I have not said a single

> word

> > against him and u are abusing me constantly, I have posted my

birth

> > details in the group: - 17 -08-1972, 08:15 PM at Rewa (M.P) and

> sent to

> > pandit ji, if u r using that to tell there is some debilitated

> planet,

> > not a strange for a man like u to play tricks.

> >

> > I purchased a service, didn't complain any thing to any one,

just

> asked

> > a phone no. to remove my doubts, It was my fault coz the Pandit

Ji

> was

> > VVIP, it is his right to not to give me his phone and i have no

> rights.

> > stop it and don't try to be smart. Ok, i still compromised and

> became

> > happy with the sound file, he sent to me after i informed him

> about my

> > difficulty on a portion of mantra. No problems, but i said, this

> created

> > a difference in between.

> >

> > I m still not saying what pandit ji saw and what he didnt, But

he

> mailed

> > me constantly saying, it was my bad karma of previous birth,

very

> normal

> > and very general, every second person w'd tell same, but when i

> informed

> > him about some spirit, he changed his line and said he has

already

> seen

> > it, I agreed to this also, but i thought it's an important

> information,

> > better to keep it in the record, he denied to give this also,

with

> no

> > reason. he said he wont give, still i was not complaining any

> thing,

> > just asked him once more for same prashna, he didn't tell any

> reason and

> > told that he is a VVIP, he wont give what he doesnt want. I

didn't

> > complain.

> >

> > And finally, He posted part of my mail to the group without

> informing

> > me, without seeking my consent and at the same time, he didnt

> forget

> > accusing me that i will disclose his precious techniques in the

> group,

> > mind u idiot, on the one hand he is doing same thing and on the

> other he

> > accused me saying - i may do it, and who did that - Pandit Ji ?

> >

> > And u are here to call me mad. U dont deserve any respect. There

> is no

> > value of ur Age and Experience, Yes, i should call u idiot. You

> want to

> > twist ethics , u cant. u want to use a handful knowledge to twist

> > ethics, u cant.

> >

> > I said something in general about Vedanga, or Vedic Granthas, U

> poker,

> > entering into classification, definition.

> >

> > U want to challange me, for what ? instead of taking the

challange

> or

> > trying to understand what i m saying, what i m sharing openly, u

> keep

> > abusing me.

> >

> > U put me a lot of pain and insult, I dont know if a handfull

> knowledge

> > makes a man like u, Can u tell me where is Priya and can u help

me

> > establish a contact with her, for what, i was craving whole

year,

> that u

> > cant, u wont. coz u r fake.

> >

> > I cant write regards to u. Ok,

> >

> > Lalit.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

<mohanraaam@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalith:

> > >

> > > You have written " Panditji did not write about spirits but you

> told

> > > him.... " But from what he has posted, he had already found it

out

> > > and was not sharing it with you. He had suggested remedies

> > > inclusive of that which is more important. A person of his

> stature

> > > need not try to " prove " his skills by giving shocking

> predictions.

> > > Experts of his calibre definitely are very subtle. In fact the

> > > words " you have to balance your karma of previous lives " that

you

> > > claim he was harping on refers to this ghostly apparition. In

> your

> > > half-baked brain, it did not strike; that is all.

> > >

> > > Again, you claim that you are " helping " nature; and see the

> evidence

> > > you give for that......you have given all the projects that

you

> did

> > > under somebody's resume to " help " him. Legally, my friend, you

> are

> > > not a helper but a " CRIMINAL " . No wonder with all your lies you

> > > cannot share positive vibes with Panditji who never tells lies!

> > >

> > > You claim " shani " visited you; why don't you claim Lord Shiva

> > > visited you! You are mad young man! If you had really had

vision

> > > of Lord Shani it would have been shown in the prashna chart

that

> you

> > > are a Divine personality. You probably have debilitated

planets

> in

> > > your 9th house. You have delusions of spirituality.

> > >

> > > You have written " You do not differentiate knowledge " ; but you

> have

> > > no rights to declassify what ancient people have classified

with

> a

> > > purpose. Vedangas, shaastras, all might be one for you; but

they

> > > have differnet purposes. Do not try to sit in judgment over the

> > > wisdom of the great Seers and Saints who did tapasya before

> giving

> > > those wonderful shastras to us.

> > >

> > > You have said you have learnt some vedas to search at your

> Brahmin

> > > roots. You have definitely not learnt under a competent person

or

> > > as usual, you have not imbibed the essence of the teachings

well.

> > > Vedas are oceanic and the little spec of knowledge you have in

> that

> > > does not qualify you to speak like this.

> > >

> > > " Hitham poorva aachaarya vaakyena " means " welfare comes by

> following

> > > the words of ancient Masters " is a known Dharma shastraic

> injunction.

> > >

> > > You can research on things, you can analyze things with an open

> > > mind; but do so with a reverential attitude and not with the

> > > assumption " that in India they did not spread knowledge, etc. "

> The

> > > saints have purposefully hidden some powerful knowledge

sources

> so

> > > that they are not misused by half-baked morons. You see,

knowing

> > > some part of vedas makes you think that you are qualified to

> comment

> > > on that.....it is precisely to avoid such calamities, that

> ancients

> > > hid powerful arts. Those arts in the hands of good persons can

> > > benefit many, while they will become subjects of mockery in the

> > > hands of those who do not appreciate their Divinity.

> > >

> > > You have written " My Ego has made me angry " ...what is there

young

> > > man? I got angry not because you attacked me or even Panditji;

> but

> > > because you have attacked this Divine Art and are remorseless.

> > >

> > > Please do not say that Shani spoke to you; you may be put into

an

> > > asylum for Paronia, Delusional Disorder, schizoid personality

> > > disorder, etc.

> > >

> > > I sincerely apologize to the list for having written such a

> personal

> > > mail in this list, but this man cannot go unchallenged after

he

> has

> > > attempted to malign Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji - a noble soul

who

> is

> > > the pride of this group, and who I am sure - is considered as a

> > > Blessing to this group by many members. I have nothing

personal

> in

> > > this. Even if this person had called me an " idiot " or even in

> > > unparliamentary language, I would have forgiven him; but his

> > > irreverential attitude towards astrology and Panditji has

really

> put

> > > me off and prompted me in this exchange.

> > >

> > > No matter what he writes, I will not reply henceforth.

> > >

> > > Mohanraaam.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " litsol " mishra.lalit@

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mohanraaam - Yogi,

> > > >

> > > > Your are so angry, what causes anger, a hurt ego... nothing

> else.

> > > >

> > > > Even u have addressed your mail to Mr. Abhishek, while

replying

> > > to me.

> > > > Pls. cool down.

> > > > I have told u about " P - Priya and Preeti ... " .

> > > >

> > > > The first half part of ur findings is true, how much true, I

> will

> > > tell u

> > > > - " I knew two girls, whose name begins with 'P', one is

Preeti

> and

> > > other

> > > > is Priya " . right, I m not like u, i mean, a man who is

caught

> up

> > > in

> > > > abundance of EGO, have confidence to accept the truth upto

> where

> > > it is

> > > > true.

> > > >

> > > > Preeti is a Biotech student and she contacted me after she

saw

> my

> > > > profile in the net, She is taller than me and 9 yrs younger

to

> me,

> > > > still, wanted to proceed towards marriage, I thought this

may

> look

> > > good

> > > > today but tomorrow may not, I asked her to not to contact me

> as i

> > > dont

> > > > think good prospects of togatherness, off cource, she w'd

have

> > > > discussed it in my home town, Rewa is not a big place and we

> all

> > > are

> > > > brahmins, so things gets spread, the communication was

throuh

> net

> > > and

> > > > few times through phone, pls. mind it, i have not seen her

> > > physically.

> > > > never met her physically. So, ur prashan chart skills need

to

> ne

> > > > refined, the basic is good, after a point and the

interprition

> > > that u do

> > > > is misleading. Ok.

> > > >

> > > > Next is Priya, I liked this girl more, and felt bad about

her,

> she

> > > is a

> > > > kind of girl, misguided by the peers and this age.

> > > >

> > > > I never met her also, try to check in ur's prashna chart, She

> > > again met

> > > > me through Net, She gave her false introduction like She is a

> > > Software

> > > > Engineer, working with Mphasis, Bombay and about to visit

> Germany,

> > > All

> > > > was wrong. She had a boy friend, once she refered to me and

> then a

> > > > deviation came in her behaviro, As per priya he already

> proposed

> > > her,

> > > > but some disturbance between them came, He didn't belong to

a

> good

> > > > family and of cheep type guy.

> > > >

> > > > I was worried for her, I never wanted her to spoil her life

> with

> > > a such

> > > > type of guy, I tried to convince about the meaning of life

and

> > > values of

> > > > our culture, She felt bad, and got angry, Once what happened

> and

> > > still

> > > > unbelievable to me, let me put here, During my daily puja, I

> saw

> > > Shani

> > > > is coming to me and has occupied me, I have got divine

> protection

> > > form

> > > > lord Hanuman Ji, still, i could not call him for help, what i

> > > could do

> > > > and i had no idea about a learned siddha, what happens is,

in a

> > > minute

> > > > My frined Nirmesh called me from mumbai.

> > > >

> > > > My friend Nirmesh is a Sr, HR Manager with Reliance Retail,

he

> was

> > > with

> > > > his girl friend, in fact i played a role in reconcilation of

> > > disturbance

> > > > between them so they were calling me, As Priya told to me,

she

> > > lives in

> > > > Bombay, I missed her, and thought to contact her, I wanted to

> > > write a

> > > > mail about me , a mail with all my emotions but here Saturn

> Played

> > > a

> > > > role and in place of sending that emotionl mail to Priya, I

> happen

> > > to

> > > > post that mail in a , she and me both were

members,

> I

> > > > created that group to promote youngersters of my region in

> software

> > > > industry, and my own personal mail was posted in the group,

My

> own

> > > > mistake, Pls. check, if u are referring to this incident.

> > > >

> > > > She became so angry on me, but what i could do, all was my

> mistake

> > > and i

> > > > lost her, I w'd like to tell u more, A friend of me was

> jobless, I

> > > gave

> > > > him my own CV to put his name on the CV with all my projects

> in his

> > > > name, Pls check in ur's prashna chart. How i help people.

Next

> day

> > > > after this incident, His birthday came, And the Priya

addressed

> > > him with

> > > > so much of respect, The guy, in place of showing a respect

> towards

> > > me

> > > > for my help, commented on me, A cunning man, I dont know he

and

> > > many

> > > > others have contributed more in widening the gap in between

me

> and

> > > > Priya. I dont know if he is still in touch with her, or all

was

> > > planned

> > > > by them togather. I dont know anything.

> > > >

> > > > I still dont know who this Priya was and where she lives in,

If

> > > she is a

> > > > girl or a game of those guys who wanted me to look down in

that

> > >

> > > > Group. coz, when i started searching her, what i found is, in

> > > mphasis

> > > > there is only one Priya Tiwari, who works with a BPO, she

was

> not

> > > a

> > > > Software Engineer and she never lived in Bombay, She was in

> Noida

> > > > itself. For ur satisfaction, I can post my mails to HR

> department

> > > of

> > > > Mphasis.

> > > >

> > > > I dont know what happend to her, This BPO priya, i also have

> not

> > > met

> > > > her, looks different than the other Priya whom i was

searching.

> > > >

> > > > So, Dear old friend, Check ur Prashna Chart skills more and

> more,

> > > Baiscs

> > > > are correct, ur interpretition is quite wrong and u have not

> got

> > > enough

> > > > experience in life to judge me and realities.

> > > >

> > > > whatever be is Vedanga or Shastra, I wanted to let u know

every

> > > bit of

> > > > knowledge is divine and pavitra. Leave the arrogance and

start

> > > doing

> > > > preperation for ur journey that u have to do in near future.

> > > >

> > > > If any one in the Group, can give light on this Priya's

case,

> coz

> > > i had

> > > > soft feelings for her despite all her lies, I w'd be grateful

> > > otherwise

> > > > it's OK. Can u tell me how and where she is and if she really

> > > exists,

> > > > and if any occult people can help me in establishing a

contact

> > > with her

> > > > if she really exists w'd be good for me. I w'd pay whatever u

> > > demand.

> > > > Will any one take the challange ? i wont ask u what u cant

do,

> I

> > > > promise.

> > > >

> > > > I didn't tell about Preeti and Priya to Pandit ji it was not

> > > necessary,

> > > > better if he w'd have told me sth about them, but Pandit Ji

all

> > > the time

> > > > kept telling me about my Karmic Balance of the previous

birth,

> It

> > > was me

> > > > who gave him hints abot the spirit, Not he, he didnt tell me

> any

> > > thing

> > > > about the spirit and when i told him about the spirti's

> storey, he

> > > said

> > > > he has seen it Prashan chart, tell me where i was wrong, I

> asked

> > > him to

> > > > give me Prashan Chart, he denied.

> > > >

> > > > Dear old friend, why u could not see in ur's prashna chart

the

> > > Saturn

> > > > who got me occupied me during my Puja, I was not sleeping, I

> saw

> > > him

> > > > with open eyes.

> > > >

> > > > Pls. check ur's prashna chart and I w'd request Mr. Rafal to

> > > interefere

> > > > and tell me about Priya, coz, i m having some pain, I dont

know

> > > anything

> > > > , any truth of Priya Tiwari. I have her photograpgh that she

> sent

> > > to me

> > > > which differs from the Priya whom i discovered in mphasis.

> > > >

> > > > Will any one come to help me ?

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

> <mohanraaam@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Abhishek:

> > > > >

> > > > > Know the difference between shastraas and the

> vedaangas.....you

> > > > > think an astrologer and a yogi like me would not have

known

> all

> > > > > these! siksha, kalpam, chandas, mimamsa,nruktam and

Jyotisam

> are

> > > > > the vedangas. Don't confuse the 18 shastras or the 64

mighty

> arts

> > > > > with vedanga. You are shallow young man but are trying to

> pass

> > > > > judgments on great branches of knowledge and great persons

of

> > > > > knowledge. I am 86 years old and have lived a full life

with

> a

> > > > > happy wife and 4 intelligent, well-settled children. Not a

> > > > > frustrated unmarried luckless youngman like you!

> > > > >

> > > > > Whatever you said to Panditji...I do not know because he

has

> not

> > > > > divulged the complete exchange inthe forum...I think he

> should

> > > > > probably do that to expose your arrogance and idiocy

levels

> to

> > > this

> > > > > group......

> > > > >

> > > > > You may say that you did not have affairs - then what do

you

> > > tell of

> > > > > a thing when you go after ladies and get heart-broken when

> they

> > > > > reject your proposal? You could not proceed to the level

of a

> > > > > mutual affair because they did not entertain you at all!

> > > > >

> > > > > You have not commented on my finding about Priya/

> preeti.....I am

> > > > > sure it is correct! And definitely your failures in this

> regard

> > > > > would have been a butt of jokes in your circle. I can bet

on

> > > that.

> > > > > But definitely you will come out with your own versions to

> deny

> > > this.

> > > > >

> > > > > Did you tell all this to Guruji? I am sure you would not

have

> > > > > shared it in this light - but mark my words, he would have

> found

> > > it

> > > > > out definitely! Only thing is - he is too decent to hurt

> others

> > > > > unnecessarily.

> > > > >

> > > > > Your posts are not clear....you are saying this and that

> without

> > > > > actually commenting on what others have written. Don't pass

> > > > > judgement on astrology or its efficacy.Astrology is a basic

> > > > > technique that one learns before predicting - but advanced

> > > > > astrologers read far more into charts than what they

indicate

> > > from

> > > > > conventional astrological classics - it is an applied

field

> and

> > > the

> > > > > horoscope is just a focus and an accessory tool for

> prediction in

> > > > > the hands of the greatest masters of this field.

> > > > >

> > > > > Definitely you are not one to comment on the need of

> astrological

> > > > > research without knowing the basic vedic etiquettes of

> behaving

> > > with

> > > > > learned astrologers!

> > > > >

> > > > > Definitely Guruji's wise counsel have been useless to you -

a

> > > > > buffalo will cherish only the muddy waters - will it know

the

> > > > > differnece between Ganges and the gutter?

> > > > >

> > > > > One suggestion young man - try to go into Guruji's mails

> > > carefully

> > > > > and quietly. His words are worth their weight in gold

> usually.

> > > > > Many have benefitted by his counsel - do not try to look

> > > for " your

> > > > > own version of truths " from his writings. If you do that,

it

> is a

> > > > > waste of whatever money you paid Panditji. Understand his

> > > counsel,

> > > > > try to follow them, and you will do fine. But, stop

> insulting and

> > > > > passing unnecessary remarks on astrology and need for

> > > astrological

> > > > > development. Some self-seeking astrologers - capitalizing

on

> the

> > > > > craze of Indian public for " scientific " research, " modern

> > > research

> > > > > into old classics " etc, have written volumes about the

need

> for

> > > > > evolution of astrology whereas the reality is those who

> follow

> > > > > ancient classical wisdom have proved more efficient in all

> these

> > > > > predictive techniques than those " researchers " . Parampara

> has its

> > > > > own significance. You still eat through your mouth though

> times

> > > > > have changed (I am assuming here; or are you eating

through

> the

> > > > > other end for novelty sake?). In the same way, nature has

not

> > > > > changed only certain outer manifestations have changed.

Only

> > > minor

> > > > > modification of interpretaions are needed to suit

> predictions to

> > > > > modern day life and definitely there are not much gaps.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mohanraaam.

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol "

> mishra.lalit@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I cant say u " Idiot " and wont speak to u using level of

> ur's

> > > > > language,

> > > > > > ok, Pls. check ur's Prashna Skills 100 times and

discover

> more

> > > > > about me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And my love affairs, I had no affair with any one,

right,

> check

> > > > > it in

> > > > > > ur Prashan Chart, however, when marriage came in my

mind, i

> > > came in

> > > > > > touch with girls, liked two or three of them, ok, they

> didn't

> > > like

> > > > > me,

> > > > > > It happens. It was me who beforehand informed Panditji as

> > > inputs

> > > > > are

> > > > > > required to reach somewhere.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > See, i can say, the basic finding of ur prashan chart

like

> > > break

> > > > > ups is

> > > > > > true, but is little it misleading too, as no brak up in

> sense

> > > of

> > > > > > break-up happened as no affiar even started, sometimes, u

> > > should

> > > > > be

> > > > > > careful more in reaching ur conclusions, that's why i

say,

> more

> > > > > and more

> > > > > > remains to discover, It's - " Apaurusheya "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Well, can u tell, in the storey, u posted in group,

where

> is

> > > the

> > > > > > " P-Priya, Preti etc.. " ? I will be more than happy to

see

> ur

> > > > > findings,

> > > > > > What Guruji said was completely different from u, I

> discussed

> > > > > with him

> > > > > > why i dont get proposals from girls even having average

> looks,

> > > He

> > > > > said

> > > > > > to me, You change utr attitude and consider such

> proposals, i

> > > > > further

> > > > > > asked him is it a big expectation to find a nice sweet

> person,

> > > i

> > > > > dont

> > > > > > think a model or actress but a girl with little good

looks

> and

> > > good

> > > > > > nature, even it is difficult, if it is difficult, i was

> asking

> > > him

> > > > > and

> > > > > > describing him about me, my needs, my thoughts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and on what u did write - " And your posts about

astrology

> in

> > > your

> > > > > > arguments with Shri. Abhishek also clearly protray your

> idiocy!

> > > > > You are

> > > > > > asking why Astrology

> > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other things?

> > > Idiot -

> > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas and

not

> > > > > > Engineering......You do not know all this

classifications

> and

> > > are

> > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to comment

on

> > > > > > subjects without knowing them "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pls study " Shulb Sutras " ok, U will find, Engineering is

> there,

> > > > > > Mathmatics is there, Ayourveda as medical science is

there.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are showing u r too full of urself, somtimes it

> happens to

> > > few

> > > > > > people.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

> > > <mohanraaam@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lalith:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You " demanded " Panditji's phone no. and he

refused....you

> > > think

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > has no right to do that? It is his privacy...when you

> have

> > > been

> > > > > > > pestering him over email how much more irresponsible

you

> > > would

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > been if he had given his phone no.? You think Panditji

> has

> > > time

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > spend on worthless brats like you who think the world

is

> > > > > revolving

> > > > > > > around them? He has sent you an audio recording of the

> > > mantra -

> > > > > > > what else you need to know? Is the Great Man your

slave

> or

> > > what

> > > > > > > that you can demand everything that you want from him?

> He is

> > > too

> > > > > > > proud for that!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You have no right to expect anything except service

for

> your

> > > > > > > payment - assuming you have made some payment to

Guruji!

> Do

> > > you

> > > > > > > think you have bought him just because you asked his

> > > service? I

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > sure you would have written something silly like this

> (your

> > > > > current

> > > > > > > post is in itself silly) that annoyed Panditji! You

say

> the

> > > > > matter

> > > > > > > is over - but you keep on saying things as if Panditji

> has

> > > done a

> > > > > > > mistake and you are justified.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And your posts about astrology in your arguments with

> Shri.

> > > > > Abhishek

> > > > > > > also clearly protray your idiocy! You are asking why

> > > Astrology

> > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other

things?

> > > Idiot -

> > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas

and

> not

> > > > > > > Engineering......You do not know all this

classifications

> > > and are

> > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to

comment

> on

> > > > > > > subjects without knowing them.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I just checked up a prashna chart to see what sort of

> person

> > > you

> > > > > > > are.....From this, try to understand what all

astrology

> is

> > > > > capable

> > > > > > > of.....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Last year you would have proposed to a Lady - and your

> > > failure

> > > > > was a

> > > > > > > widely circulated joke in your social circle.....is it

> true

> > > or

> > > > > not?

> > > > > > > Just understand - people have made fun of you only

> because of

> > > > > > > your " loser " attitude. You are childish in your

attitude;

> > > this is

> > > > > > > one reason why women in your life are running away

from

> you.

> > > > > Guruji

> > > > > > > has just hinted on love failures in his post - but my

> prashna

> > > > > > > clearly indicates they have rejected you outright after

> > > initial

> > > > > > > interactions with you because you have been " chasing "

> them

> > > and

> > > > > > > troubling them with undiplomatic messages

persistently.

> Your

> > > last

> > > > > > > serious connection when the lady rejected your

proposal -

> her

> > > > > name

> > > > > > > is likely to be in the " pa " varga (preeti, Priya, etc.

> any of

> > > > > these -

> > > > > > > you may think I have not found the right name - but

> knowing

> > > the

> > > > > > > initial word of a person about whom I know nothing is

in

> > > itself

> > > > > > > difficult - and no amount of research in scientific

> > > astrology can

> > > > > > > give the exact name! Don't think your " researches " will

> > > > > > > automatically pave the way to find the name and glorify

> > > > > astrology -

> > > > > > > because that is not possible!)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now do you understand what an astrologer is capable of!

> > > Guruji is

> > > > > > > too decent to insult you by writing like this -

> definitely he

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > have found out all these. He would have counselled you

> about

> > > > > change

> > > > > > > of attitude mainly regarding this....you would not

have

> got

> > > the

> > > > > > > hint. Yet in message after message you are justifying

and

> > > > > > > projecting as if your grievance is genuine.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Heights of arrogance - thinking you have the right to

> > > disturb a

> > > > > > > learned senior astrologer as and when you want! I am

> > > associated

> > > > > > > with Panditji for so long and yet I do not have his

> mobile

> > > no. do

> > > > > > > you know that? He has email id and he is very prompt

in

> his

> > > > > replies

> > > > > > > through that. Do you know anything of that great man

or

> his

> > > daily

> > > > > > > schedules? He has not merely one client like you - but

> > > thosands

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > admirers, students, disciples, and clients all over the

> > > world. If

> > > > > > > all start calling Guruji will he ever have time for

> himself?

> > > That

> > > > > > > is why he is not giving the mobile. Your post speaks

as

> if

> > > he is

> > > > > > > hiding himself.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is probably his mistake that he is helping out

people

> like

> > > > > you -

> > > > > > > the great man does not differentiate much and tries to

> help

> > > out

> > > > > > > suffering people even if they are undeserving.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Try to change your attitude for your own good. Improve

> > > yourself

> > > > > > > before trying to comment on great fields like

astrology,

> > > about

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > you do not know even a speck. There are no gaps in

> > > astrological

> > > > > > > knowledge. Enough knowledge has been documented as

Shri.

> > > Potti

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > written in his post.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mohanraaam.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > .vedic astrology , " litsol "

> > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear primusjyotish,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You are right, in fact differences begane, when i

asked

> > > Pandit

> > > > > Ji's

> > > > > > > > phone nos to communicate to him, he refused to give

his

> > > nos, I

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > surprised, being a client, paying for the

consultation

> a

> > > clear

> > > > > > > > communication is required, so at least a

communication

> over

> > > > > phone

> > > > > > > > should happen, It was refused, he recommened a

mantra,

> i

> > > was

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > on it's pronunciation, the rerequest to tell right

> > > > > pronunciation

> > > > > > > over

> > > > > > > > phone was also refused, then a copy of charts made

was

> > > refused.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I didnt come to group for so many refusals.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And there were two contradictory explanations , the

> timing

> > > > > given

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > very wide for an event - one year and it was said

that

> it's

> > > > > > > conditional

> > > > > > > > too, I was not understanding what to conclude and

then

> > > pandit

> > > > > Ji

> > > > > > > posted

> > > > > > > > my private communication partly in the group. Later,

> > > pandit ji

> > > > > > > provided

> > > > > > > > me sound files of the mantras, ok, my confusion on

> > > > > pronunciation

> > > > > > > > removed.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now, it is over, and i dont want to discuss it

further.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Jyotish

> > > Volunteers "

> > > > > > > > <primusjyotishi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > One would not consult a doctor for his physical

> ailments

> > > or a

> > > > > > > > > psychiatrist for his mental ailments through

> internet.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Perhaps this is why many like Sri K.N. Rao strongly

> > > recommend

> > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > seeking solutions to serious matters via internet

> and to

> > > use

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > tested procedure of face-to-face, in-person

> consultation.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Convenience gets in the way and causes more pain

> > > ultimately,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > need to get the answer here and now,

> unfortunately ...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol "

> > > > > mishra.lalit@

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Pandit Ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I bought a service and had a private

communication,

> > > it's at

> > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > sight

> > > > > > > > > > wrong for u to post any part of private

> communication

> > > > > without

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > consent.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > U cant imagine anything solely at ur end, if i

> myself

> > > gave

> > > > > u

> > > > > > > hints

> > > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > possible obstacle due to spirit, how i m going

to

> fear

> > > some

> > > > > > > thing

> > > > > > > > > or the

> > > > > > > > > > other. This should not be basis of not providing

> > > > > infomation.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You are at advanced level, which is realized by

> many

> > > that's

> > > > > > > why u

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > being contacted, but that u r into deciding

> everything

> > > in

> > > > > > > > > profession one

> > > > > > > > > > sided, can not be justified.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Though, i wanted chart for keeping in my

records,

> with

> > > no

> > > > > > > doubts on

> > > > > > > > > u,

> > > > > > > > > > ur apporach makes me think otherwise.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In any profession, transparency is key to gain

> one's

> > > faith

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > that u

> > > > > > > > > > didn't bother this, on the basis of ur advanced

> level u

> > > > > pls.

> > > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > > > > justify what is incorrect, it's a pity that u

make

> ur

> > > mood

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > post

> > > > > > > > > > private communication and at the same time, in ur

> > > reply to

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > private

> > > > > > > > > > mail id, u accused me that i can post ur advanced

> > > > > technique in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > group, I dont know how to react.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > That's a clear contradiction, I was interested

in

> the

> > > final

> > > > > > > outcome

> > > > > > > > > > which is chart, i should know that, and not in

ur's

> > > > > technique

> > > > > > > but u

> > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > made it a public issue instread of giving same

to

> me.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Why development of ancient knowledge has come to

an

> > > end is

> > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > this fear which i dont know why some knowledgable

> > > people

> > > > > like u

> > > > > > > > > > insttalled within.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I wish to assure u that ur respect is no way

> > > corroborated

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > intact in

> > > > > > > > > > my views, i m also thankful to u for the

remedies

> and

> > > > > mantras u

> > > > > > > > > provided

> > > > > > > > > > to me, even if that dont work, i will have same

> respect

> > > > > for u

> > > > > > > but u

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > completely wrong at ur part in ur dealings. Pls.

> check

> > > ur

> > > > > > > dasha and

> > > > > > > > > > antardasha, something wrong somewhere.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vedic-

> > > astrology , " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am posting an extract of the interaction

> between

> > > myself

> > > > > > > and one

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > this list members who wanted a prediction from

> me. I

> > > have

> > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > counselling based on his horoscope and also

> based on

> > > a

> > > > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > > > chart. Marital chart showed marital delays and

> > > problem

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > love

> > > > > > > > > > > matters which he has already experienced. The

> prashna

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > showed

> > > > > > > > > > > the possibility of " Paisacha baadha " (trouble

> due to

> > > > > ghostly

> > > > > > > > > > > entities that block happiness in the family).

I

> had

> > > taken

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > matter into account and not wanting to scare

the

> > > member

> > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily, I had not divulged the matter

to

> him.

> > > > > > > Instead, I

> > > > > > > > > > > suggested beeja mantras to counteract that

> effect and

> > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > suggested " Sumangali Pooja " to be performed.

He

> later

> > > > > came

> > > > > > > back to

> > > > > > > > > > > me and asked about the ghostly events himself

> > > because his

> > > > > > > family

> > > > > > > > > > > members have had visitations from that entity.

I

> > > replied

> > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > > saying that I have already taken that factor

into

> > > account

> > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > giving my suggestions.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The prashna chart showed that the entity is

> likely to

> > > > > leave

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > Earth Plane by this year end and so it cannot

> trouble

> > > > > him any

> > > > > > > > > > > longer. So, based on that and also based on his

> > > > > horoscope,

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > having faith in the remedies I had suggested,

I

> had

> > > > > predicted

> > > > > > > > > > > possibility of marriage in Feb 2008 or in 2009.

> > > Actually,

> > > > > > > dasa-

> > > > > > > > > > > bhukti and transit influences are quite tough

and

> > > > > > > contradictory

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > this event and I had taken so many factors and

> > > > > > > balanced/counter-

> > > > > > > > > > > balanced so many possibilities and had

predicted

> the

> > > > > date as

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > Benediction; let the marriage happen in Feb

> 2008! I

> > > had

> > > > > even

> > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > > to the extent of suggesting attitude

modification

> > > (he may

> > > > > > > not get

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > wife of his expectations) for the marriage to

> > > happen; or

> > > > > > > else it

> > > > > > > > > > > might even be denied.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Now, the member has been persisting about

> sharing the

> > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > with him. I had given him broad hints about

why I

> > > though

> > > > > > > Paisacha

> > > > > > > > > > > baadha was there for him; but he insists that I

> > > share the

> > > > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > > > chart and give the complete details to him, or

> else

> > > I am

> > > > > > > unfair!

> > > > > > > > > My

> > > > > > > > > > > reservation regarding this is that prashna is

an

> > > advanced

> > > > > > > > > > > application and sharing its techniques offhand

> may be

> > > > > > > confusing

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > may lead the native into reading too much into

> each

> > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > and fear paisacha baadha when infact it might

> not be

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > at all!

> > > > > > > > > > > He does not understand me and is getting at me

> > > prompting

> > > > > me

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > write

> > > > > > > > > > > mail after mail and I am at my patience's end!

> If I

> > > spend

> > > > > > > > > pointless

> > > > > > > > > > > time debating like this with one person how

can I

> > > serve

> > > > > > > > > > > others.....Why does not this member understand

> this?

> > > Not

> > > > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > > > > > sensitive prashna charts is a hallowed

> > > tradition......Am

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > justified in my action when I have acted in

the

> best

> > > > > > > interests of

> > > > > > > > > > > the member?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am posting the latest exchange between us

for

> your

> > > > > > > reference. I

> > > > > > > > > > > request those who are knowledgeable in

authentic

> > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > traditions

> > > > > > > > > > > to write to the member (He is the person who is

> > > cutting

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > pasting

> > > > > > > > > > > the Garga Hora in this list) telling him that

I

> am

> > > > > justified

> > > > > > > in my

> > > > > > > > > > > stand, and I am doing it in the best

interests.

> He

> > > does

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > understand the danger of maintaining the

prashna

> > > chart

> > > > > > > indicating

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > paisacha baadha which is inauspicious! I am

> pained

> > > by his

> > > > > > > words

> > > > > > > > > > > like " Your are hiding something; hiding things

is

> > > not a

> > > > > sign

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > fairness " etc. It is almost like accusing me of

> > > being a

> > > > > > > cheat!

> > > > > > > > > Again

> > > > > > > > > > > he comment on my professionalism; I am acting

as

> per

> > > my

> > > > > > > > > professional

> > > > > > > > > > > ethics; why is he - a novice imputing motives

to

> me

> > > and

> > > > > > > commenting

> > > > > > > > > > > on my professionalism? Is this what an

astrologer

> > > gets

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > service?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Below is the extract....

> > > > > > > > > > > --------------

--

> ----

> > > ----

> > > > > ----

> > > > > > > -----

> > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith Mishra:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Unnecessary openness in the name of frankness

is

> the

> > > > > bane of

> > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > society now-a-days. Will you go out in the

nude

> on

> > > the

> > > > > public

> > > > > > > > > roads

> > > > > > > > > > > just to prove you have nothing to hide? Asking

> > > advanced

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > unique

> > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques of a practising

> professional

> > > > > > > persistently

> > > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > > after he has denied access to that knowledge

is

> very

> > > > > rude .

> > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > access to that knowledge was denied because it

> can be

> > > > > > > > > misinterpreted

> > > > > > > > > > > and if you post that " technique " in the VA

list,

> many

> > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > > > will get anxious (just as some members are

> wondering

> > > > > what is

> > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > with their horoscopes with the Garga Hora

> posting of

> > > > > yours!)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What do I have to gain by withholding

> information? I

> > > am

> > > > > too

> > > > > > > > > > > advanced in my profession to be taking advice

> from

> > > people

> > > > > > > > > regarding

> > > > > > > > > > > what is the professional way of handling my

> clients.

> > > I

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > malefic intentions, and your accusing me of

being

> > > unfair

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > rude

> > > > > > > > > (in

> > > > > > > > > > > fact each of your mails contains something or

the

> > > other).

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I can assure you only one thing - I have acted

> in the

> > > > > best of

> > > > > > > > > > > intentions.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am posting this in the VA list so that other

> > > learned

> > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > might

> > > > > > > > > > > put some wisdom into you (I have failed in

this

> with

> > > my

> > > > > > > repeated

> > > > > > > > > > > replies to you).

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > " Lalit Mishra, Noida " mlalit@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Res. Pandit Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > On the one hand , I m thankful to you for all

ur

> > > analysis

> > > > > > > and I

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > follow ur instructions but on the other I must

> say

> > > don't

> > > > > > > seem fair

> > > > > > > > > > > enough in ur professional approach.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Hiding things is not a sign of fairness.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If I knew astrology, perhapse I w'd not have

> asked u

> > > for

> > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > simple

> > > > > > > > > > > things or charts, required to keep in my

> records. My

> > > > > level

> > > > > > > is not

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > constraint for u to share important charts, if

> > > tomorrow I

> > > > > > > need to

> > > > > > > > > > > contact u for sth, how I w'd do without any

> > > reference.

> > > > > If I

> > > > > > > ask

> > > > > > > > > u, u

> > > > > > > > > > > should not hold things at ur's end and u don't

> gain

> > > any

> > > > > > > thing with

> > > > > > > > > > > ur approach.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> ===================================================================

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

You look quite Cunning, Clever and claim to be an Yogi !!

 

A baised man, with handful knowledge, Why i should not take you to the

court , I seek a Sorry from you otherwise to give u a lsson, I will

lodge a case of defamation against you, next week i will lodge a case,

Now be ready to know and read ur own fate. See it in ur's prashna chart

or ur's horoscope. I had no issues with you, still, u tried to become

oversmart, So, u should get e lesson.

 

 

And see the contradiction in PanditJi's analysis -

He says two things, this is to me in my mails -

 

" Though none of your ancestors died a premature death, there will

definitely be some lady ancestor who died even as her husband was alive

at least 4 generations back. They are venerated for auspiciousness.

You try to find out if someone was like that. If no one was like that,

even then the sumangali pooja can be done for your sister. This will

definitely help you "

 

" Actually, when I said I will pray for you, I had this ghostly

disturbance in mind. I had already decided that I will what I can to

control that. But, as you might be aware, it is quite possible that the

entity may be more powerful than me, and might win the battle! That is

why I did not want to commit anything "

 

And this is in the group -

 

" Honestly, I did identify the Paisacha Baadha which has got to do

with his own maltreatment of his wife of earlier birth. That is why

I said it was karmic. If it is a simple ghostly visit, exorcism is

not difficult; but when his karma intervenes, we cannot help him

unless his attitude changes and he " accepts " he has possibly gone

wrong somewhere .... "

 

Now, see, on the one hand " The lady spirit is my ancestor, and on the

other, my previsou birth's wife or someone related to my wife " .

 

Open ur eyes, old man... ur ego wont help u and u wont win any respect

with ur cunningness.

Ur biased nature indicates faults in ur horoscope, Post ur horoscope in

the group, ur truth will come out in ur own way.

 

This is the gist of ur's 86 years of life and yoga sadhana that u are

biased and cunning, political and clever in ur approach. cramming

shlokas wont help u in ur unethical behavior.

 

U say, if i m craving for meeting or knowing a person, i have an affair,

now, i m craving to meet u, I have an affair with u, what a genius u r

!! great and if u dont say sorry, i will meet u in the court room. I can

firgive u if u confess ur biased attitude.

 

~Lalit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer "

<dakshinastrologer wrote:

>

> Respected Mohanraaamji:

>

> I will just represent these facts:

>

> 1) I did refuse to share my mobile no. with the member Lalith just

> as I do with everyone. I am always accessible by email; and email

> exchanges are convenient to me because I can answer them back as

> soon as I am free after a pooja session or counselling session.

> Getting a phone call in the midst of a pooja or a counselling

> disturbs me. Everyone who has moved with me knows that. Somehow

> Shri. Lalith got offended by that. I could not help it, and I don't

> intend to change my stance of not sharing mobile nos. with anyone.

> I DID REFUSE TO SHARE THE PRASHNA CHART WITH HIM FOR REASONS I HAVE

> STATED BEFORE AND WHICH RAFALJI HAS ALSO POINTED OUT CORRECTLY

>

> 2) I NEVER CLAIMED I AM A VVIP IN ANY OF MY MAILS TO HIM....He is

> probably exaggerating it in his anger. However, when he wrote

> lecturistic mails saying things like " You are unprofessional; you

> are hiding something, it is not fair " , etc. I did write " I am too

> senior to be taking advices from novices like you " . This is exactly

> (or something similar in meaning) what I wrote to him. You are right

> in saying that I would not have written like that... Thanks for your

> trust in me and my nature.

>

> 3) Honestly, I did identify the Paisacha Baadha which has got to do

> with his own maltreatment of his wife of earlier birth. That is why

> I said it was karmic. If it is a simple ghostly visit, exorcism is

> not difficult; but when his karma intervenes, we cannot help him

> unless his attitude changes and he " accepts " he has possibly gone

> wrong somewhere and that is the root of his frustration. Again, he

> is not able to digest that he will not get a wife according to his

> expectations. That was the real root of the problem. I had

> categorically told him that which is what prompted the frequent

> mails between us. CAN THE ASTROLOGER PLAY GOD AND SAY WHAT THE

> CLIENT WISHES TO HEAR? I do not believe in that. I am a human with

> normal human limitations, and I belive even remedies are only humble

> Mercy Petitions and it is up to Divine Providence to hear our pleas

> and consider our requests favourably.

>

> 4) I believe Fate is dynamic and remedies do have the potential to

> change Fate. It is customary of me to avoid predicting events for

> which I have given remedies for this simple reason.....Remedies are

> given ONLY when the astrologer sees something is wrong and there is

> some hope to redeem the situation. That being the case, if the

> client insists on a technically correct analysis at this point of

> time - then the prediction should necessarily be negative. But,

> then what about the remedies? If they succeed, the thing could

> change! Now, what can the astrologer say in this situation. So, my

> usual request to clients in such a situation is to perform the

> remedies and get back to me after certain period, and later check

> with a prashna to see if the remedies have infact produced any

> desirable alteration in Fate. Somehow, the member has misunderstood

> the dynamics of this and possibly even my motives.

>

> 5) He wrote to me yesterday apologizing for the bitter turn of

> events, and I have Blessed him and requested him to do the

> remedies. Even today, he asked for guidance about the sumangali

> pooja because it seems the Vedic Pandits in his areas did not about

> it. I have detailed the procedure to him. I wonder why he still

> harps on the matter sharing things uncharitably about me. I have

> been providing him support and guidance to the best of my abilities

> and if he still misunderstands me, I can't help it; nor do I have

> the time to brood on that.

>

> Please for the benefit of the forum, let us end this here.

>

> If Shri Lalith is not willing to end the matter, Mohanraaamji - I

> implore you ....you at least end this exchange with him.

>

> Blessed be.

> Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

> vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

> mohanraaam@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalith:

> >

> > Can you post in the forum Panditji's mail where you claim he has

> > written he is a VVIP? This must be a blatant lie. Pandit

> > Dakshinamoorthiji is not one to write like that! This is a

> blatant

> > lie! I am sure. If Panditji has really claimed he is a VVIP, I

> > will take back all that I have written to you.

> >

> > He has never given his phone no. to anyone in this list. So, what

> > special previlege do you think you have got you faggot? Does he

> not

> > have a right for his own privacy?

> >

> > What will happen to his sanity if he starts getting your idiotic

> > phone calls on top of your stupid mails?

> >

> > He would have repeatedly written to you only in reply. You would

> > have pestered him and he would have replied. You idiot have

> failed

> > to understand the decency of an astrologer when he has hinted at

> > your problems diplomatically, and now you claim " he changed lines "

> > as if he is a cheat!

> >

> > I do not know how long you are associated with this

> group.......Ask

> > any forum member here whether Panditji is a person who changes

> tack

> > like that. In fact he is one of the more honest astrologers who

> > admits that he has made a mistake if ever he has made one! But,

> you

> > are almost putting words into his mouth, and depicting as if he

> has

> > failed in his predictions.

> >

> > Truth to be told, Panditji would have felt no hope in your

> situation

> > unless you change yourself; and he would not have seen any

> > possibility for that also. Hence he would have been at a loss of

> > words as to what to do. Collaring an astrologer when he is trying

> > to soothen you with some hopeful predictions is really rude.

> >

> > Panditji is too senior and respected; otherwise, I would have

> > written to him directly regarding this matter and known what is

> all

> > this......But, believing an idiot like you and enquiring with a

> > senior astrologer is not possible.

> >

> > I again challenge you......show us the mail where Panditji claimed

> > hs is VVIP......You liar.....know whom you are accusing!

> >

> > Mohanraaam.-- In vedic astrology , " litsol "

> > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > What to say u old man, U have lost power to understand :

> > >

> > > I gave him my own resume, all my projects that i did, simply

> gave

> > him.

> > >

> > > Now, I have all rights to call u " Idiot " . U r too full of

> > urself, A

> > > blind man with heap of false EGO,what happened to me, I shared

> > with u

> > > and all, still u see, i m telling lies, m criminal. Constantly u

> r

> > > advancing with ur poor logic and handful knowledge to blame me

> for

> > > everything.

> > >

> > > So, you are here to advocate pandit ji, I have not said a single

> > word

> > > against him and u are abusing me constantly, I have posted my

> birth

> > > details in the group: - 17 -08-1972, 08:15 PM at Rewa (M.P) and

> > sent to

> > > pandit ji, if u r using that to tell there is some debilitated

> > planet,

> > > not a strange for a man like u to play tricks.

> > >

> > > I purchased a service, didn't complain any thing to any one,

> just

> > asked

> > > a phone no. to remove my doubts, It was my fault coz the Pandit

> Ji

> > was

> > > VVIP, it is his right to not to give me his phone and i have no

> > rights.

> > > stop it and don't try to be smart. Ok, i still compromised and

> > became

> > > happy with the sound file, he sent to me after i informed him

> > about my

> > > difficulty on a portion of mantra. No problems, but i said, this

> > created

> > > a difference in between.

> > >

> > > I m still not saying what pandit ji saw and what he didnt, But

> he

> > mailed

> > > me constantly saying, it was my bad karma of previous birth,

> very

> > normal

> > > and very general, every second person w'd tell same, but when i

> > informed

> > > him about some spirit, he changed his line and said he has

> already

> > seen

> > > it, I agreed to this also, but i thought it's an important

> > information,

> > > better to keep it in the record, he denied to give this also,

> with

> > no

> > > reason. he said he wont give, still i was not complaining any

> > thing,

> > > just asked him once more for same prashna, he didn't tell any

> > reason and

> > > told that he is a VVIP, he wont give what he doesnt want. I

> didn't

> > > complain.

> > >

> > > And finally, He posted part of my mail to the group without

> > informing

> > > me, without seeking my consent and at the same time, he didnt

> > forget

> > > accusing me that i will disclose his precious techniques in the

> > group,

> > > mind u idiot, on the one hand he is doing same thing and on the

> > other he

> > > accused me saying - i may do it, and who did that - Pandit Ji ?

> > >

> > > And u are here to call me mad. U dont deserve any respect. There

> > is no

> > > value of ur Age and Experience, Yes, i should call u idiot. You

> > want to

> > > twist ethics , u cant. u want to use a handful knowledge to twist

> > > ethics, u cant.

> > >

> > > I said something in general about Vedanga, or Vedic Granthas, U

> > poker,

> > > entering into classification, definition.

> > >

> > > U want to challange me, for what ? instead of taking the

> challange

> > or

> > > trying to understand what i m saying, what i m sharing openly, u

> > keep

> > > abusing me.

> > >

> > > U put me a lot of pain and insult, I dont know if a handfull

> > knowledge

> > > makes a man like u, Can u tell me where is Priya and can u help

> me

> > > establish a contact with her, for what, i was craving whole

> year,

> > that u

> > > cant, u wont. coz u r fake.

> > >

> > > I cant write regards to u. Ok,

> > >

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

> <mohanraaam@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalith:

> > > >

> > > > You have written " Panditji did not write about spirits but you

> > told

> > > > him.... " But from what he has posted, he had already found it

> out

> > > > and was not sharing it with you. He had suggested remedies

> > > > inclusive of that which is more important. A person of his

> > stature

> > > > need not try to " prove " his skills by giving shocking

> > predictions.

> > > > Experts of his calibre definitely are very subtle. In fact the

> > > > words " you have to balance your karma of previous lives " that

> you

> > > > claim he was harping on refers to this ghostly apparition. In

> > your

> > > > half-baked brain, it did not strike; that is all.

> > > >

> > > > Again, you claim that you are " helping " nature; and see the

> > evidence

> > > > you give for that......you have given all the projects that

> you

> > did

> > > > under somebody's resume to " help " him. Legally, my friend, you

> > are

> > > > not a helper but a " CRIMINAL " . No wonder with all your lies you

> > > > cannot share positive vibes with Panditji who never tells lies!

> > > >

> > > > You claim " shani " visited you; why don't you claim Lord Shiva

> > > > visited you! You are mad young man! If you had really had

> vision

> > > > of Lord Shani it would have been shown in the prashna chart

> that

> > you

> > > > are a Divine personality. You probably have debilitated

> planets

> > in

> > > > your 9th house. You have delusions of spirituality.

> > > >

> > > > You have written " You do not differentiate knowledge " ; but you

> > have

> > > > no rights to declassify what ancient people have classified

> with

> > a

> > > > purpose. Vedangas, shaastras, all might be one for you; but

> they

> > > > have differnet purposes. Do not try to sit in judgment over the

> > > > wisdom of the great Seers and Saints who did tapasya before

> > giving

> > > > those wonderful shastras to us.

> > > >

> > > > You have said you have learnt some vedas to search at your

> > Brahmin

> > > > roots. You have definitely not learnt under a competent person

> or

> > > > as usual, you have not imbibed the essence of the teachings

> well.

> > > > Vedas are oceanic and the little spec of knowledge you have in

> > that

> > > > does not qualify you to speak like this.

> > > >

> > > > " Hitham poorva aachaarya vaakyena " means " welfare comes by

> > following

> > > > the words of ancient Masters " is a known Dharma shastraic

> > injunction.

> > > >

> > > > You can research on things, you can analyze things with an open

> > > > mind; but do so with a reverential attitude and not with the

> > > > assumption " that in India they did not spread knowledge, etc. "

> > The

> > > > saints have purposefully hidden some powerful knowledge

> sources

> > so

> > > > that they are not misused by half-baked morons. You see,

> knowing

> > > > some part of vedas makes you think that you are qualified to

> > comment

> > > > on that.....it is precisely to avoid such calamities, that

> > ancients

> > > > hid powerful arts. Those arts in the hands of good persons can

> > > > benefit many, while they will become subjects of mockery in the

> > > > hands of those who do not appreciate their Divinity.

> > > >

> > > > You have written " My Ego has made me angry " ...what is there

> young

> > > > man? I got angry not because you attacked me or even Panditji;

> > but

> > > > because you have attacked this Divine Art and are remorseless.

> > > >

> > > > Please do not say that Shani spoke to you; you may be put into

> an

> > > > asylum for Paronia, Delusional Disorder, schizoid personality

> > > > disorder, etc.

> > > >

> > > > I sincerely apologize to the list for having written such a

> > personal

> > > > mail in this list, but this man cannot go unchallenged after

> he

> > has

> > > > attempted to malign Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji - a noble soul

> who

> > is

> > > > the pride of this group, and who I am sure - is considered as a

> > > > Blessing to this group by many members. I have nothing

> personal

> > in

> > > > this. Even if this person had called me an " idiot " or even in

> > > > unparliamentary language, I would have forgiven him; but his

> > > > irreverential attitude towards astrology and Panditji has

> really

> > put

> > > > me off and prompted me in this exchange.

> > > >

> > > > No matter what he writes, I will not reply henceforth.

> > > >

> > > > Mohanraaam.

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " mishra.lalit@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mohanraaam - Yogi,

> > > > >

> > > > > Your are so angry, what causes anger, a hurt ego... nothing

> > else.

> > > > >

> > > > > Even u have addressed your mail to Mr. Abhishek, while

> replying

> > > > to me.

> > > > > Pls. cool down.

> > > > > I have told u about " P - Priya and Preeti ... " .

> > > > >

> > > > > The first half part of ur findings is true, how much true, I

> > will

> > > > tell u

> > > > > - " I knew two girls, whose name begins with 'P', one is

> Preeti

> > and

> > > > other

> > > > > is Priya " . right, I m not like u, i mean, a man who is

> caught

> > up

> > > > in

> > > > > abundance of EGO, have confidence to accept the truth upto

> > where

> > > > it is

> > > > > true.

> > > > >

> > > > > Preeti is a Biotech student and she contacted me after she

> saw

> > my

> > > > > profile in the net, She is taller than me and 9 yrs younger

> to

> > me,

> > > > > still, wanted to proceed towards marriage, I thought this

> may

> > look

> > > > good

> > > > > today but tomorrow may not, I asked her to not to contact me

> > as i

> > > > dont

> > > > > think good prospects of togatherness, off cource, she w'd

> have

> > > > > discussed it in my home town, Rewa is not a big place and we

> > all

> > > > are

> > > > > brahmins, so things gets spread, the communication was

> throuh

> > net

> > > > and

> > > > > few times through phone, pls. mind it, i have not seen her

> > > > physically.

> > > > > never met her physically. So, ur prashan chart skills need

> to

> > ne

> > > > > refined, the basic is good, after a point and the

> interprition

> > > > that u do

> > > > > is misleading. Ok.

> > > > >

> > > > > Next is Priya, I liked this girl more, and felt bad about

> her,

> > she

> > > > is a

> > > > > kind of girl, misguided by the peers and this age.

> > > > >

> > > > > I never met her also, try to check in ur's prashna chart, She

> > > > again met

> > > > > me through Net, She gave her false introduction like She is a

> > > > Software

> > > > > Engineer, working with Mphasis, Bombay and about to visit

> > Germany,

> > > > All

> > > > > was wrong. She had a boy friend, once she refered to me and

> > then a

> > > > > deviation came in her behaviro, As per priya he already

> > proposed

> > > > her,

> > > > > but some disturbance between them came, He didn't belong to

> a

> > good

> > > > > family and of cheep type guy.

> > > > >

> > > > > I was worried for her, I never wanted her to spoil her life

> > with

> > > > a such

> > > > > type of guy, I tried to convince about the meaning of life

> and

> > > > values of

> > > > > our culture, She felt bad, and got angry, Once what happened

> > and

> > > > still

> > > > > unbelievable to me, let me put here, During my daily puja, I

> > saw

> > > > Shani

> > > > > is coming to me and has occupied me, I have got divine

> > protection

> > > > form

> > > > > lord Hanuman Ji, still, i could not call him for help, what i

> > > > could do

> > > > > and i had no idea about a learned siddha, what happens is,

> in a

> > > > minute

> > > > > My frined Nirmesh called me from mumbai.

> > > > >

> > > > > My friend Nirmesh is a Sr, HR Manager with Reliance Retail,

> he

> > was

> > > > with

> > > > > his girl friend, in fact i played a role in reconcilation of

> > > > disturbance

> > > > > between them so they were calling me, As Priya told to me,

> she

> > > > lives in

> > > > > Bombay, I missed her, and thought to contact her, I wanted to

> > > > write a

> > > > > mail about me , a mail with all my emotions but here Saturn

> > Played

> > > > a

> > > > > role and in place of sending that emotionl mail to Priya, I

> > happen

> > > > to

> > > > > post that mail in a , she and me both were

> members,

> > I

> > > > > created that group to promote youngersters of my region in

> > software

> > > > > industry, and my own personal mail was posted in the group,

> My

> > own

> > > > > mistake, Pls. check, if u are referring to this incident.

> > > > >

> > > > > She became so angry on me, but what i could do, all was my

> > mistake

> > > > and i

> > > > > lost her, I w'd like to tell u more, A friend of me was

> > jobless, I

> > > > gave

> > > > > him my own CV to put his name on the CV with all my projects

> > in his

> > > > > name, Pls check in ur's prashna chart. How i help people.

> Next

> > day

> > > > > after this incident, His birthday came, And the Priya

> addressed

> > > > him with

> > > > > so much of respect, The guy, in place of showing a respect

> > towards

> > > > me

> > > > > for my help, commented on me, A cunning man, I dont know he

> and

> > > > many

> > > > > others have contributed more in widening the gap in between

> me

> > and

> > > > > Priya. I dont know if he is still in touch with her, or all

> was

> > > > planned

> > > > > by them togather. I dont know anything.

> > > > >

> > > > > I still dont know who this Priya was and where she lives in,

> If

> > > > she is a

> > > > > girl or a game of those guys who wanted me to look down in

> that

> > > >

> > > > > Group. coz, when i started searching her, what i found is, in

> > > > mphasis

> > > > > there is only one Priya Tiwari, who works with a BPO, she

> was

> > not

> > > > a

> > > > > Software Engineer and she never lived in Bombay, She was in

> > Noida

> > > > > itself. For ur satisfaction, I can post my mails to HR

> > department

> > > > of

> > > > > Mphasis.

> > > > >

> > > > > I dont know what happend to her, This BPO priya, i also have

> > not

> > > > met

> > > > > her, looks different than the other Priya whom i was

> searching.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, Dear old friend, Check ur Prashna Chart skills more and

> > more,

> > > > Baiscs

> > > > > are correct, ur interpretition is quite wrong and u have not

> > got

> > > > enough

> > > > > experience in life to judge me and realities.

> > > > >

> > > > > whatever be is Vedanga or Shastra, I wanted to let u know

> every

> > > > bit of

> > > > > knowledge is divine and pavitra. Leave the arrogance and

> start

> > > > doing

> > > > > preperation for ur journey that u have to do in near future.

> > > > >

> > > > > If any one in the Group, can give light on this Priya's

> case,

> > coz

> > > > i had

> > > > > soft feelings for her despite all her lies, I w'd be grateful

> > > > otherwise

> > > > > it's OK. Can u tell me how and where she is and if she really

> > > > exists,

> > > > > and if any occult people can help me in establishing a

> contact

> > > > with her

> > > > > if she really exists w'd be good for me. I w'd pay whatever u

> > > > demand.

> > > > > Will any one take the challange ? i wont ask u what u cant

> do,

> > I

> > > > > promise.

> > > > >

> > > > > I didn't tell about Preeti and Priya to Pandit ji it was not

> > > > necessary,

> > > > > better if he w'd have told me sth about them, but Pandit Ji

> all

> > > > the time

> > > > > kept telling me about my Karmic Balance of the previous

> birth,

> > It

> > > > was me

> > > > > who gave him hints abot the spirit, Not he, he didnt tell me

> > any

> > > > thing

> > > > > about the spirit and when i told him about the spirti's

> > storey, he

> > > > said

> > > > > he has seen it Prashan chart, tell me where i was wrong, I

> > asked

> > > > him to

> > > > > give me Prashan Chart, he denied.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear old friend, why u could not see in ur's prashna chart

> the

> > > > Saturn

> > > > > who got me occupied me during my Puja, I was not sleeping, I

> > saw

> > > > him

> > > > > with open eyes.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pls. check ur's prashna chart and I w'd request Mr. Rafal to

> > > > interefere

> > > > > and tell me about Priya, coz, i m having some pain, I dont

> know

> > > > anything

> > > > > , any truth of Priya Tiwari. I have her photograpgh that she

> > sent

> > > > to me

> > > > > which differs from the Priya whom i discovered in mphasis.

> > > > >

> > > > > Will any one come to help me ?

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

> > <mohanraaam@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Abhishek:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Know the difference between shastraas and the

> > vedaangas.....you

> > > > > > think an astrologer and a yogi like me would not have

> known

> > all

> > > > > > these! siksha, kalpam, chandas, mimamsa,nruktam and

> Jyotisam

> > are

> > > > > > the vedangas. Don't confuse the 18 shastras or the 64

> mighty

> > arts

> > > > > > with vedanga. You are shallow young man but are trying to

> > pass

> > > > > > judgments on great branches of knowledge and great persons

> of

> > > > > > knowledge. I am 86 years old and have lived a full life

> with

> > a

> > > > > > happy wife and 4 intelligent, well-settled children. Not a

> > > > > > frustrated unmarried luckless youngman like you!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Whatever you said to Panditji...I do not know because he

> has

> > not

> > > > > > divulged the complete exchange inthe forum...I think he

> > should

> > > > > > probably do that to expose your arrogance and idiocy

> levels

> > to

> > > > this

> > > > > > group......

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You may say that you did not have affairs - then what do

> you

> > > > tell of

> > > > > > a thing when you go after ladies and get heart-broken when

> > they

> > > > > > reject your proposal? You could not proceed to the level

> of a

> > > > > > mutual affair because they did not entertain you at all!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have not commented on my finding about Priya/

> > preeti.....I am

> > > > > > sure it is correct! And definitely your failures in this

> > regard

> > > > > > would have been a butt of jokes in your circle. I can bet

> on

> > > > that.

> > > > > > But definitely you will come out with your own versions to

> > deny

> > > > this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Did you tell all this to Guruji? I am sure you would not

> have

> > > > > > shared it in this light - but mark my words, he would have

> > found

> > > > it

> > > > > > out definitely! Only thing is - he is too decent to hurt

> > others

> > > > > > unnecessarily.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your posts are not clear....you are saying this and that

> > without

> > > > > > actually commenting on what others have written. Don't pass

> > > > > > judgement on astrology or its efficacy.Astrology is a basic

> > > > > > technique that one learns before predicting - but advanced

> > > > > > astrologers read far more into charts than what they

> indicate

> > > > from

> > > > > > conventional astrological classics - it is an applied

> field

> > and

> > > > the

> > > > > > horoscope is just a focus and an accessory tool for

> > prediction in

> > > > > > the hands of the greatest masters of this field.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Definitely you are not one to comment on the need of

> > astrological

> > > > > > research without knowing the basic vedic etiquettes of

> > behaving

> > > > with

> > > > > > learned astrologers!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Definitely Guruji's wise counsel have been useless to you -

> a

> > > > > > buffalo will cherish only the muddy waters - will it know

> the

> > > > > > differnece between Ganges and the gutter?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One suggestion young man - try to go into Guruji's mails

> > > > carefully

> > > > > > and quietly. His words are worth their weight in gold

> > usually.

> > > > > > Many have benefitted by his counsel - do not try to look

> > > > for " your

> > > > > > own version of truths " from his writings. If you do that,

> it

> > is a

> > > > > > waste of whatever money you paid Panditji. Understand his

> > > > counsel,

> > > > > > try to follow them, and you will do fine. But, stop

> > insulting and

> > > > > > passing unnecessary remarks on astrology and need for

> > > > astrological

> > > > > > development. Some self-seeking astrologers - capitalizing

> on

> > the

> > > > > > craze of Indian public for " scientific " research, " modern

> > > > research

> > > > > > into old classics " etc, have written volumes about the

> need

> > for

> > > > > > evolution of astrology whereas the reality is those who

> > follow

> > > > > > ancient classical wisdom have proved more efficient in all

> > these

> > > > > > predictive techniques than those " researchers " . Parampara

> > has its

> > > > > > own significance. You still eat through your mouth though

> > times

> > > > > > have changed (I am assuming here; or are you eating

> through

> > the

> > > > > > other end for novelty sake?). In the same way, nature has

> not

> > > > > > changed only certain outer manifestations have changed.

> Only

> > > > minor

> > > > > > modification of interpretaions are needed to suit

> > predictions to

> > > > > > modern day life and definitely there are not much gaps.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mohanraaam.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol "

> > mishra.lalit@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I cant say u " Idiot " and wont speak to u using level of

> > ur's

> > > > > > language,

> > > > > > > ok, Pls. check ur's Prashna Skills 100 times and

> discover

> > more

> > > > > > about me.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And my love affairs, I had no affair with any one,

> right,

> > check

> > > > > > it in

> > > > > > > ur Prashan Chart, however, when marriage came in my

> mind, i

> > > > came in

> > > > > > > touch with girls, liked two or three of them, ok, they

> > didn't

> > > > like

> > > > > > me,

> > > > > > > It happens. It was me who beforehand informed Panditji as

> > > > inputs

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > required to reach somewhere.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > See, i can say, the basic finding of ur prashan chart

> like

> > > > break

> > > > > > ups is

> > > > > > > true, but is little it misleading too, as no brak up in

> > sense

> > > > of

> > > > > > > break-up happened as no affiar even started, sometimes, u

> > > > should

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > careful more in reaching ur conclusions, that's why i

> say,

> > more

> > > > > > and more

> > > > > > > remains to discover, It's - " Apaurusheya "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Well, can u tell, in the storey, u posted in group,

> where

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > > " P-Priya, Preti etc.. " ? I will be more than happy to

> see

> > ur

> > > > > > findings,

> > > > > > > What Guruji said was completely different from u, I

> > discussed

> > > > > > with him

> > > > > > > why i dont get proposals from girls even having average

> > looks,

> > > > He

> > > > > > said

> > > > > > > to me, You change utr attitude and consider such

> > proposals, i

> > > > > > further

> > > > > > > asked him is it a big expectation to find a nice sweet

> > person,

> > > > i

> > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > think a model or actress but a girl with little good

> looks

> > and

> > > > good

> > > > > > > nature, even it is difficult, if it is difficult, i was

> > asking

> > > > him

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > describing him about me, my needs, my thoughts.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > and on what u did write - " And your posts about

> astrology

> > in

> > > > your

> > > > > > > arguments with Shri. Abhishek also clearly protray your

> > idiocy!

> > > > > > You are

> > > > > > > asking why Astrology

> > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other things?

> > > > Idiot -

> > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas and

> not

> > > > > > > Engineering......You do not know all this

> classifications

> > and

> > > > are

> > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to comment

> on

> > > > > > > subjects without knowing them "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pls study " Shulb Sutras " ok, U will find, Engineering is

> > there,

> > > > > > > Mathmatics is there, Ayourveda as medical science is

> there.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You are showing u r too full of urself, somtimes it

> > happens to

> > > > few

> > > > > > > people.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

> > > > <mohanraaam@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Lalith:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You " demanded " Panditji's phone no. and he

> refused....you

> > > > think

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > has no right to do that? It is his privacy...when you

> > have

> > > > been

> > > > > > > > pestering him over email how much more irresponsible

> you

> > > > would

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > been if he had given his phone no.? You think Panditji

> > has

> > > > time

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > spend on worthless brats like you who think the world

> is

> > > > > > revolving

> > > > > > > > around them? He has sent you an audio recording of the

> > > > mantra -

> > > > > > > > what else you need to know? Is the Great Man your

> slave

> > or

> > > > what

> > > > > > > > that you can demand everything that you want from him?

> > He is

> > > > too

> > > > > > > > proud for that!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You have no right to expect anything except service

> for

> > your

> > > > > > > > payment - assuming you have made some payment to

> Guruji!

> > Do

> > > > you

> > > > > > > > think you have bought him just because you asked his

> > > > service? I

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > sure you would have written something silly like this

> > (your

> > > > > > current

> > > > > > > > post is in itself silly) that annoyed Panditji! You

> say

> > the

> > > > > > matter

> > > > > > > > is over - but you keep on saying things as if Panditji

> > has

> > > > done a

> > > > > > > > mistake and you are justified.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And your posts about astrology in your arguments with

> > Shri.

> > > > > > Abhishek

> > > > > > > > also clearly protray your idiocy! You are asking why

> > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other

> things?

> > > > Idiot -

> > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas

> and

> > not

> > > > > > > > Engineering......You do not know all this

> classifications

> > > > and are

> > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to

> comment

> > on

> > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I just checked up a prashna chart to see what sort of

> > person

> > > > you

> > > > > > > > are.....From this, try to understand what all

> astrology

> > is

> > > > > > capable

> > > > > > > > of.....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Last year you would have proposed to a Lady - and your

> > > > failure

> > > > > > was a

> > > > > > > > widely circulated joke in your social circle.....is it

> > true

> > > > or

> > > > > > not?

> > > > > > > > Just understand - people have made fun of you only

> > because of

> > > > > > > > your " loser " attitude. You are childish in your

> attitude;

> > > > this is

> > > > > > > > one reason why women in your life are running away

> from

> > you.

> > > > > > Guruji

> > > > > > > > has just hinted on love failures in his post - but my

> > prashna

> > > > > > > > clearly indicates they have rejected you outright after

> > > > initial

> > > > > > > > interactions with you because you have been " chasing "

> > them

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > troubling them with undiplomatic messages

> persistently.

> > Your

> > > > last

> > > > > > > > serious connection when the lady rejected your

> proposal -

> > her

> > > > > > name

> > > > > > > > is likely to be in the " pa " varga (preeti, Priya, etc.

> > any of

> > > > > > these -

> > > > > > > > you may think I have not found the right name - but

> > knowing

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > initial word of a person about whom I know nothing is

> in

> > > > itself

> > > > > > > > difficult - and no amount of research in scientific

> > > > astrology can

> > > > > > > > give the exact name! Don't think your " researches " will

> > > > > > > > automatically pave the way to find the name and glorify

> > > > > > astrology -

> > > > > > > > because that is not possible!)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now do you understand what an astrologer is capable of!

> > > > Guruji is

> > > > > > > > too decent to insult you by writing like this -

> > definitely he

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > have found out all these. He would have counselled you

> > about

> > > > > > change

> > > > > > > > of attitude mainly regarding this....you would not

> have

> > got

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > hint. Yet in message after message you are justifying

> and

> > > > > > > > projecting as if your grievance is genuine.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Heights of arrogance - thinking you have the right to

> > > > disturb a

> > > > > > > > learned senior astrologer as and when you want! I am

> > > > associated

> > > > > > > > with Panditji for so long and yet I do not have his

> > mobile

> > > > no. do

> > > > > > > > you know that? He has email id and he is very prompt

> in

> > his

> > > > > > replies

> > > > > > > > through that. Do you know anything of that great man

> or

> > his

> > > > daily

> > > > > > > > schedules? He has not merely one client like you - but

> > > > thosands

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > admirers, students, disciples, and clients all over the

> > > > world. If

> > > > > > > > all start calling Guruji will he ever have time for

> > himself?

> > > > That

> > > > > > > > is why he is not giving the mobile. Your post speaks

> as

> > if

> > > > he is

> > > > > > > > hiding himself.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is probably his mistake that he is helping out

> people

> > like

> > > > > > you -

> > > > > > > > the great man does not differentiate much and tries to

> > help

> > > > out

> > > > > > > > suffering people even if they are undeserving.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Try to change your attitude for your own good. Improve

> > > > yourself

> > > > > > > > before trying to comment on great fields like

> astrology,

> > > > about

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > you do not know even a speck. There are no gaps in

> > > > astrological

> > > > > > > > knowledge. Enough knowledge has been documented as

> Shri.

> > > > Potti

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > written in his post.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mohanraaam.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > .vedic astrology , " litsol "

> > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear primusjyotish,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You are right, in fact differences begane, when i

> asked

> > > > Pandit

> > > > > > Ji's

> > > > > > > > > phone nos to communicate to him, he refused to give

> his

> > > > nos, I

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > surprised, being a client, paying for the

> consultation

> > a

> > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > communication is required, so at least a

> communication

> > over

> > > > > > phone

> > > > > > > > > should happen, It was refused, he recommened a

> mantra,

> > i

> > > > was

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > on it's pronunciation, the rerequest to tell right

> > > > > > pronunciation

> > > > > > > > over

> > > > > > > > > phone was also refused, then a copy of charts made

> was

> > > > refused.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I didnt come to group for so many refusals.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And there were two contradictory explanations , the

> > timing

> > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > very wide for an event - one year and it was said

> that

> > it's

> > > > > > > > conditional

> > > > > > > > > too, I was not understanding what to conclude and

> then

> > > > pandit

> > > > > > Ji

> > > > > > > > posted

> > > > > > > > > my private communication partly in the group. Later,

> > > > pandit ji

> > > > > > > > provided

> > > > > > > > > me sound files of the mantras, ok, my confusion on

> > > > > > pronunciation

> > > > > > > > > removed.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now, it is over, and i dont want to discuss it

> further.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Jyotish

> > > > Volunteers "

> > > > > > > > > <primusjyotishi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > One would not consult a doctor for his physical

> > ailments

> > > > or a

> > > > > > > > > > psychiatrist for his mental ailments through

> > internet.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this is why many like Sri K.N. Rao strongly

> > > > recommend

> > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > seeking solutions to serious matters via internet

> > and to

> > > > use

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > tested procedure of face-to-face, in-person

> > consultation.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Convenience gets in the way and causes more pain

> > > > ultimately,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > need to get the answer here and now,

> > unfortunately ...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol "

> > > > > > mishra.lalit@

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Pandit Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I bought a service and had a private

> communication,

> > > > it's at

> > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > sight

> > > > > > > > > > > wrong for u to post any part of private

> > communication

> > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > consent.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > U cant imagine anything solely at ur end, if i

> > myself

> > > > gave

> > > > > > u

> > > > > > > > hints

> > > > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > > possible obstacle due to spirit, how i m going

> to

> > fear

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > thing

> > > > > > > > > > or the

> > > > > > > > > > > other. This should not be basis of not providing

> > > > > > infomation.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You are at advanced level, which is realized by

> > many

> > > > that's

> > > > > > > > why u

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > being contacted, but that u r into deciding

> > everything

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > profession one

> > > > > > > > > > > sided, can not be justified.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Though, i wanted chart for keeping in my

> records,

> > with

> > > > no

> > > > > > > > doubts on

> > > > > > > > > > u,

> > > > > > > > > > > ur apporach makes me think otherwise.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In any profession, transparency is key to gain

> > one's

> > > > faith

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > that u

> > > > > > > > > > > didn't bother this, on the basis of ur advanced

> > level u

> > > > > > pls.

> > > > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > > > > > justify what is incorrect, it's a pity that u

> make

> > ur

> > > > mood

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > post

> > > > > > > > > > > private communication and at the same time, in ur

> > > > reply to

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > private

> > > > > > > > > > > mail id, u accused me that i can post ur advanced

> > > > > > technique in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > group, I dont know how to react.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > That's a clear contradiction, I was interested

> in

> > the

> > > > final

> > > > > > > > outcome

> > > > > > > > > > > which is chart, i should know that, and not in

> ur's

> > > > > > technique

> > > > > > > > but u

> > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > made it a public issue instread of giving same

> to

> > me.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Why development of ancient knowledge has come to

> an

> > > > end is

> > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > this fear which i dont know why some knowledgable

> > > > people

> > > > > > like u

> > > > > > > > > > > insttalled within.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I wish to assure u that ur respect is no way

> > > > corroborated

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > intact in

> > > > > > > > > > > my views, i m also thankful to u for the

> remedies

> > and

> > > > > > mantras u

> > > > > > > > > > provided

> > > > > > > > > > > to me, even if that dont work, i will have same

> > respect

> > > > > > for u

> > > > > > > > but u

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > completely wrong at ur part in ur dealings. Pls.

> > check

> > > > ur

> > > > > > > > dasha and

> > > > > > > > > > > antardasha, something wrong somewhere.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic-

> > > > astrology , " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting an extract of the interaction

> > between

> > > > myself

> > > > > > > > and one

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > this list members who wanted a prediction from

> > me. I

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > counselling based on his horoscope and also

> > based on

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart. Marital chart showed marital delays and

> > > > problem

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > love

> > > > > > > > > > > > matters which he has already experienced. The

> > prashna

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > showed

> > > > > > > > > > > > the possibility of " Paisacha baadha " (trouble

> > due to

> > > > > > ghostly

> > > > > > > > > > > > entities that block happiness in the family).

> I

> > had

> > > > taken

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > matter into account and not wanting to scare

> the

> > > > member

> > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily, I had not divulged the matter

> to

> > him.

> > > > > > > > Instead, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > suggested beeja mantras to counteract that

> > effect and

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > suggested " Sumangali Pooja " to be performed.

> He

> > later

> > > > > > came

> > > > > > > > back to

> > > > > > > > > > > > me and asked about the ghostly events himself

> > > > because his

> > > > > > > > family

> > > > > > > > > > > > members have had visitations from that entity.

> I

> > > > replied

> > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > > > saying that I have already taken that factor

> into

> > > > account

> > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > > giving my suggestions.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The prashna chart showed that the entity is

> > likely to

> > > > > > leave

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Earth Plane by this year end and so it cannot

> > trouble

> > > > > > him any

> > > > > > > > > > > > longer. So, based on that and also based on his

> > > > > > horoscope,

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > having faith in the remedies I had suggested,

> I

> > had

> > > > > > predicted

> > > > > > > > > > > > possibility of marriage in Feb 2008 or in 2009.

> > > > Actually,

> > > > > > > > dasa-

> > > > > > > > > > > > bhukti and transit influences are quite tough

> and

> > > > > > > > contradictory

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > this event and I had taken so many factors and

> > > > > > > > balanced/counter-

> > > > > > > > > > > > balanced so many possibilities and had

> predicted

> > the

> > > > > > date as

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > Benediction; let the marriage happen in Feb

> > 2008! I

> > > > had

> > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > > > to the extent of suggesting attitude

> modification

> > > > (he may

> > > > > > > > not get

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > wife of his expectations) for the marriage to

> > > > happen; or

> > > > > > > > else it

> > > > > > > > > > > > might even be denied.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the member has been persisting about

> > sharing the

> > > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > with him. I had given him broad hints about

> why I

> > > > though

> > > > > > > > Paisacha

> > > > > > > > > > > > baadha was there for him; but he insists that I

> > > > share the

> > > > > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart and give the complete details to him, or

> > else

> > > > I am

> > > > > > > > unfair!

> > > > > > > > > > My

> > > > > > > > > > > > reservation regarding this is that prashna is

> an

> > > > advanced

> > > > > > > > > > > > application and sharing its techniques offhand

> > may be

> > > > > > > > confusing

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > may lead the native into reading too much into

> > each

> > > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > and fear paisacha baadha when infact it might

> > not be

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > at all!

> > > > > > > > > > > > He does not understand me and is getting at me

> > > > prompting

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > write

> > > > > > > > > > > > mail after mail and I am at my patience's end!

> > If I

> > > > spend

> > > > > > > > > > pointless

> > > > > > > > > > > > time debating like this with one person how

> can I

> > > > serve

> > > > > > > > > > > > others.....Why does not this member understand

> > this?

> > > > Not

> > > > > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > > > > > > sensitive prashna charts is a hallowed

> > > > tradition......Am

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > justified in my action when I have acted in

> the

> > best

> > > > > > > > interests of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the member?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting the latest exchange between us

> for

> > your

> > > > > > > > reference. I

> > > > > > > > > > > > request those who are knowledgeable in

> authentic

> > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > > traditions

> > > > > > > > > > > > to write to the member (He is the person who is

> > > > cutting

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > pasting

> > > > > > > > > > > > the Garga Hora in this list) telling him that

> I

> > am

> > > > > > justified

> > > > > > > > in my

> > > > > > > > > > > > stand, and I am doing it in the best

> interests.

> > He

> > > > does

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > understand the danger of maintaining the

> prashna

> > > > chart

> > > > > > > > indicating

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > paisacha baadha which is inauspicious! I am

> > pained

> > > > by his

> > > > > > > > words

> > > > > > > > > > > > like " Your are hiding something; hiding things

> is

> > > > not a

> > > > > > sign

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > fairness " etc. It is almost like accusing me of

> > > > being a

> > > > > > > > cheat!

> > > > > > > > > > Again

> > > > > > > > > > > > he comment on my professionalism; I am acting

> as

> > per

> > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > professional

> > > > > > > > > > > > ethics; why is he - a novice imputing motives

> to

> > me

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > commenting

> > > > > > > > > > > > on my professionalism? Is this what an

> astrologer

> > > > gets

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > service?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Below is the extract....

> > > > > > > > > > > > --------------

> --

> > ----

> > > > ----

> > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > -----

> > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith Mishra:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Unnecessary openness in the name of frankness

> is

> > the

> > > > > > bane of

> > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > society now-a-days. Will you go out in the

> nude

> > on

> > > > the

> > > > > > public

> > > > > > > > > > roads

> > > > > > > > > > > > just to prove you have nothing to hide? Asking

> > > > advanced

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > unique

> > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques of a practising

> > professional

> > > > > > > > persistently

> > > > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > > > after he has denied access to that knowledge

> is

> > very

> > > > > > rude .

> > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > access to that knowledge was denied because it

> > can be

> > > > > > > > > > misinterpreted

> > > > > > > > > > > > and if you post that " technique " in the VA

> list,

> > many

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > > > > will get anxious (just as some members are

> > wondering

> > > > > > what is

> > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > > with their horoscopes with the Garga Hora

> > posting of

> > > > > > yours!)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > What do I have to gain by withholding

> > information? I

> > > > am

> > > > > > too

> > > > > > > > > > > > advanced in my profession to be taking advice

> > from

> > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > regarding

> > > > > > > > > > > > what is the professional way of handling my

> > clients.

> > > > I

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > malefic intentions, and your accusing me of

> being

> > > > unfair

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > rude

> > > > > > > > > > (in

> > > > > > > > > > > > fact each of your mails contains something or

> the

> > > > other).

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I can assure you only one thing - I have acted

> > in the

> > > > > > best of

> > > > > > > > > > > > intentions.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting this in the VA list so that other

> > > > learned

> > > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > > might

> > > > > > > > > > > > put some wisdom into you (I have failed in

> this

> > with

> > > > my

> > > > > > > > repeated

> > > > > > > > > > > > replies to you).

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " Lalit Mishra, Noida " mlalit@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Res. Pandit Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > On the one hand , I m thankful to you for all

> ur

> > > > analysis

> > > > > > > > and I

> > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > follow ur instructions but on the other I must

> > say

> > > > don't

> > > > > > > > seem fair

> > > > > > > > > > > > enough in ur professional approach.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Hiding things is not a sign of fairness.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If I knew astrology, perhapse I w'd not have

> > asked u

> > > > for

> > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > > simple

> > > > > > > > > > > > things or charts, required to keep in my

> > records. My

> > > > > > level

> > > > > > > > is not

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > constraint for u to share important charts, if

> > > > tomorrow I

> > > > > > > > need to

> > > > > > > > > > > > contact u for sth, how I w'd do without any

> > > > reference.

> > > > > > If I

> > > > > > > > ask

> > > > > > > > > > u, u

> > > > > > > > > > > > should not hold things at ur's end and u don't

> > gain

> > > > any

> > > > > > > > thing with

> > > > > > > > > > > > ur approach.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > ===================================================================

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

You look quite Cunning, Clever and claim to be an Yogi !!

 

A baised man, with handful knowledge, Why i should not take you to the

court , I seek a Sorry from you otherwise to give u a lsson, I will

lodge a case of defamation against you, next week i will lodge a case,

Now be ready to know and read ur own fate. See it in ur's prashna chart

or ur's horoscope. I had no issues with you, still, u tried to become

oversmart, So, u should get e lesson.

 

 

And see the contradiction in PanditJi's analysis -

He says two things, this is to me in my mails -

 

" Though none of your ancestors died a premature death, there will

definitely be some lady ancestor who died even as her husband was alive

at least 4 generations back. They are venerated for auspiciousness.

You try to find out if someone was like that. If no one was like that,

even then the sumangali pooja can be done for your sister. This will

definitely help you "

 

" Actually, when I said I will pray for you, I had this ghostly

disturbance in mind. I had already decided that I will what I can to

control that. But, as you might be aware, it is quite possible that the

entity may be more powerful than me, and might win the battle! That is

why I did not want to commit anything "

 

And this is in the group -

 

" Honestly, I did identify the Paisacha Baadha which has got to do

with his own maltreatment of his wife of earlier birth. That is why

I said it was karmic. If it is a simple ghostly visit, exorcism is

not difficult; but when his karma intervenes, we cannot help him

unless his attitude changes and he " accepts " he has possibly gone

wrong somewhere .... "

 

Now, see, on the one hand " The lady spirit is my ancestor, and on the

other, my previsou birth's wife or someone related to my wife " .

 

Open ur eyes, old man... ur ego wont help u and u wont win any respect

with ur cunningness.

Ur biased nature indicates faults in ur horoscope, Post ur horoscope in

the group, ur truth will come out in ur own way.

 

This is the gist of ur's 86 years of life and yoga sadhana that u are

biased and cunning, political and clever in ur approach. cramming

shlokas wont help u in ur unethical behavior.

 

U say, if i m craving for meeting or knowing a person, i have an affair,

now, i m craving to meet u, I have an affair with u, what a genius u r

!! great and if u dont say sorry, i will meet u in the court room. I can

firgive u if u confess ur biased attitude.

 

~Lalit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer "

<dakshinastrologer wrote:

>

> Respected Mohanraaamji:

>

> I will just represent these facts:

>

> 1) I did refuse to share my mobile no. with the member Lalith just

> as I do with everyone. I am always accessible by email; and email

> exchanges are convenient to me because I can answer them back as

> soon as I am free after a pooja session or counselling session.

> Getting a phone call in the midst of a pooja or a counselling

> disturbs me. Everyone who has moved with me knows that. Somehow

> Shri. Lalith got offended by that. I could not help it, and I don't

> intend to change my stance of not sharing mobile nos. with anyone.

> I DID REFUSE TO SHARE THE PRASHNA CHART WITH HIM FOR REASONS I HAVE

> STATED BEFORE AND WHICH RAFALJI HAS ALSO POINTED OUT CORRECTLY

>

> 2) I NEVER CLAIMED I AM A VVIP IN ANY OF MY MAILS TO HIM....He is

> probably exaggerating it in his anger. However, when he wrote

> lecturistic mails saying things like " You are unprofessional; you

> are hiding something, it is not fair " , etc. I did write " I am too

> senior to be taking advices from novices like you " . This is exactly

> (or something similar in meaning) what I wrote to him. You are right

> in saying that I would not have written like that... Thanks for your

> trust in me and my nature.

>

> 3) Honestly, I did identify the Paisacha Baadha which has got to do

> with his own maltreatment of his wife of earlier birth. That is why

> I said it was karmic. If it is a simple ghostly visit, exorcism is

> not difficult; but when his karma intervenes, we cannot help him

> unless his attitude changes and he " accepts " he has possibly gone

> wrong somewhere and that is the root of his frustration. Again, he

> is not able to digest that he will not get a wife according to his

> expectations. That was the real root of the problem. I had

> categorically told him that which is what prompted the frequent

> mails between us. CAN THE ASTROLOGER PLAY GOD AND SAY WHAT THE

> CLIENT WISHES TO HEAR? I do not believe in that. I am a human with

> normal human limitations, and I belive even remedies are only humble

> Mercy Petitions and it is up to Divine Providence to hear our pleas

> and consider our requests favourably.

>

> 4) I believe Fate is dynamic and remedies do have the potential to

> change Fate. It is customary of me to avoid predicting events for

> which I have given remedies for this simple reason.....Remedies are

> given ONLY when the astrologer sees something is wrong and there is

> some hope to redeem the situation. That being the case, if the

> client insists on a technically correct analysis at this point of

> time - then the prediction should necessarily be negative. But,

> then what about the remedies? If they succeed, the thing could

> change! Now, what can the astrologer say in this situation. So, my

> usual request to clients in such a situation is to perform the

> remedies and get back to me after certain period, and later check

> with a prashna to see if the remedies have infact produced any

> desirable alteration in Fate. Somehow, the member has misunderstood

> the dynamics of this and possibly even my motives.

>

> 5) He wrote to me yesterday apologizing for the bitter turn of

> events, and I have Blessed him and requested him to do the

> remedies. Even today, he asked for guidance about the sumangali

> pooja because it seems the Vedic Pandits in his areas did not about

> it. I have detailed the procedure to him. I wonder why he still

> harps on the matter sharing things uncharitably about me. I have

> been providing him support and guidance to the best of my abilities

> and if he still misunderstands me, I can't help it; nor do I have

> the time to brood on that.

>

> Please for the benefit of the forum, let us end this here.

>

> If Shri Lalith is not willing to end the matter, Mohanraaamji - I

> implore you ....you at least end this exchange with him.

>

> Blessed be.

> Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

> vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

> mohanraaam@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalith:

> >

> > Can you post in the forum Panditji's mail where you claim he has

> > written he is a VVIP? This must be a blatant lie. Pandit

> > Dakshinamoorthiji is not one to write like that! This is a

> blatant

> > lie! I am sure. If Panditji has really claimed he is a VVIP, I

> > will take back all that I have written to you.

> >

> > He has never given his phone no. to anyone in this list. So, what

> > special previlege do you think you have got you faggot? Does he

> not

> > have a right for his own privacy?

> >

> > What will happen to his sanity if he starts getting your idiotic

> > phone calls on top of your stupid mails?

> >

> > He would have repeatedly written to you only in reply. You would

> > have pestered him and he would have replied. You idiot have

> failed

> > to understand the decency of an astrologer when he has hinted at

> > your problems diplomatically, and now you claim " he changed lines "

> > as if he is a cheat!

> >

> > I do not know how long you are associated with this

> group.......Ask

> > any forum member here whether Panditji is a person who changes

> tack

> > like that. In fact he is one of the more honest astrologers who

> > admits that he has made a mistake if ever he has made one! But,

> you

> > are almost putting words into his mouth, and depicting as if he

> has

> > failed in his predictions.

> >

> > Truth to be told, Panditji would have felt no hope in your

> situation

> > unless you change yourself; and he would not have seen any

> > possibility for that also. Hence he would have been at a loss of

> > words as to what to do. Collaring an astrologer when he is trying

> > to soothen you with some hopeful predictions is really rude.

> >

> > Panditji is too senior and respected; otherwise, I would have

> > written to him directly regarding this matter and known what is

> all

> > this......But, believing an idiot like you and enquiring with a

> > senior astrologer is not possible.

> >

> > I again challenge you......show us the mail where Panditji claimed

> > hs is VVIP......You liar.....know whom you are accusing!

> >

> > Mohanraaam.-- In vedic astrology , " litsol "

> > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > What to say u old man, U have lost power to understand :

> > >

> > > I gave him my own resume, all my projects that i did, simply

> gave

> > him.

> > >

> > > Now, I have all rights to call u " Idiot " . U r too full of

> > urself, A

> > > blind man with heap of false EGO,what happened to me, I shared

> > with u

> > > and all, still u see, i m telling lies, m criminal. Constantly u

> r

> > > advancing with ur poor logic and handful knowledge to blame me

> for

> > > everything.

> > >

> > > So, you are here to advocate pandit ji, I have not said a single

> > word

> > > against him and u are abusing me constantly, I have posted my

> birth

> > > details in the group: - 17 -08-1972, 08:15 PM at Rewa (M.P) and

> > sent to

> > > pandit ji, if u r using that to tell there is some debilitated

> > planet,

> > > not a strange for a man like u to play tricks.

> > >

> > > I purchased a service, didn't complain any thing to any one,

> just

> > asked

> > > a phone no. to remove my doubts, It was my fault coz the Pandit

> Ji

> > was

> > > VVIP, it is his right to not to give me his phone and i have no

> > rights.

> > > stop it and don't try to be smart. Ok, i still compromised and

> > became

> > > happy with the sound file, he sent to me after i informed him

> > about my

> > > difficulty on a portion of mantra. No problems, but i said, this

> > created

> > > a difference in between.

> > >

> > > I m still not saying what pandit ji saw and what he didnt, But

> he

> > mailed

> > > me constantly saying, it was my bad karma of previous birth,

> very

> > normal

> > > and very general, every second person w'd tell same, but when i

> > informed

> > > him about some spirit, he changed his line and said he has

> already

> > seen

> > > it, I agreed to this also, but i thought it's an important

> > information,

> > > better to keep it in the record, he denied to give this also,

> with

> > no

> > > reason. he said he wont give, still i was not complaining any

> > thing,

> > > just asked him once more for same prashna, he didn't tell any

> > reason and

> > > told that he is a VVIP, he wont give what he doesnt want. I

> didn't

> > > complain.

> > >

> > > And finally, He posted part of my mail to the group without

> > informing

> > > me, without seeking my consent and at the same time, he didnt

> > forget

> > > accusing me that i will disclose his precious techniques in the

> > group,

> > > mind u idiot, on the one hand he is doing same thing and on the

> > other he

> > > accused me saying - i may do it, and who did that - Pandit Ji ?

> > >

> > > And u are here to call me mad. U dont deserve any respect. There

> > is no

> > > value of ur Age and Experience, Yes, i should call u idiot. You

> > want to

> > > twist ethics , u cant. u want to use a handful knowledge to twist

> > > ethics, u cant.

> > >

> > > I said something in general about Vedanga, or Vedic Granthas, U

> > poker,

> > > entering into classification, definition.

> > >

> > > U want to challange me, for what ? instead of taking the

> challange

> > or

> > > trying to understand what i m saying, what i m sharing openly, u

> > keep

> > > abusing me.

> > >

> > > U put me a lot of pain and insult, I dont know if a handfull

> > knowledge

> > > makes a man like u, Can u tell me where is Priya and can u help

> me

> > > establish a contact with her, for what, i was craving whole

> year,

> > that u

> > > cant, u wont. coz u r fake.

> > >

> > > I cant write regards to u. Ok,

> > >

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

> <mohanraaam@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalith:

> > > >

> > > > You have written " Panditji did not write about spirits but you

> > told

> > > > him.... " But from what he has posted, he had already found it

> out

> > > > and was not sharing it with you. He had suggested remedies

> > > > inclusive of that which is more important. A person of his

> > stature

> > > > need not try to " prove " his skills by giving shocking

> > predictions.

> > > > Experts of his calibre definitely are very subtle. In fact the

> > > > words " you have to balance your karma of previous lives " that

> you

> > > > claim he was harping on refers to this ghostly apparition. In

> > your

> > > > half-baked brain, it did not strike; that is all.

> > > >

> > > > Again, you claim that you are " helping " nature; and see the

> > evidence

> > > > you give for that......you have given all the projects that

> you

> > did

> > > > under somebody's resume to " help " him. Legally, my friend, you

> > are

> > > > not a helper but a " CRIMINAL " . No wonder with all your lies you

> > > > cannot share positive vibes with Panditji who never tells lies!

> > > >

> > > > You claim " shani " visited you; why don't you claim Lord Shiva

> > > > visited you! You are mad young man! If you had really had

> vision

> > > > of Lord Shani it would have been shown in the prashna chart

> that

> > you

> > > > are a Divine personality. You probably have debilitated

> planets

> > in

> > > > your 9th house. You have delusions of spirituality.

> > > >

> > > > You have written " You do not differentiate knowledge " ; but you

> > have

> > > > no rights to declassify what ancient people have classified

> with

> > a

> > > > purpose. Vedangas, shaastras, all might be one for you; but

> they

> > > > have differnet purposes. Do not try to sit in judgment over the

> > > > wisdom of the great Seers and Saints who did tapasya before

> > giving

> > > > those wonderful shastras to us.

> > > >

> > > > You have said you have learnt some vedas to search at your

> > Brahmin

> > > > roots. You have definitely not learnt under a competent person

> or

> > > > as usual, you have not imbibed the essence of the teachings

> well.

> > > > Vedas are oceanic and the little spec of knowledge you have in

> > that

> > > > does not qualify you to speak like this.

> > > >

> > > > " Hitham poorva aachaarya vaakyena " means " welfare comes by

> > following

> > > > the words of ancient Masters " is a known Dharma shastraic

> > injunction.

> > > >

> > > > You can research on things, you can analyze things with an open

> > > > mind; but do so with a reverential attitude and not with the

> > > > assumption " that in India they did not spread knowledge, etc. "

> > The

> > > > saints have purposefully hidden some powerful knowledge

> sources

> > so

> > > > that they are not misused by half-baked morons. You see,

> knowing

> > > > some part of vedas makes you think that you are qualified to

> > comment

> > > > on that.....it is precisely to avoid such calamities, that

> > ancients

> > > > hid powerful arts. Those arts in the hands of good persons can

> > > > benefit many, while they will become subjects of mockery in the

> > > > hands of those who do not appreciate their Divinity.

> > > >

> > > > You have written " My Ego has made me angry " ...what is there

> young

> > > > man? I got angry not because you attacked me or even Panditji;

> > but

> > > > because you have attacked this Divine Art and are remorseless.

> > > >

> > > > Please do not say that Shani spoke to you; you may be put into

> an

> > > > asylum for Paronia, Delusional Disorder, schizoid personality

> > > > disorder, etc.

> > > >

> > > > I sincerely apologize to the list for having written such a

> > personal

> > > > mail in this list, but this man cannot go unchallenged after

> he

> > has

> > > > attempted to malign Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji - a noble soul

> who

> > is

> > > > the pride of this group, and who I am sure - is considered as a

> > > > Blessing to this group by many members. I have nothing

> personal

> > in

> > > > this. Even if this person had called me an " idiot " or even in

> > > > unparliamentary language, I would have forgiven him; but his

> > > > irreverential attitude towards astrology and Panditji has

> really

> > put

> > > > me off and prompted me in this exchange.

> > > >

> > > > No matter what he writes, I will not reply henceforth.

> > > >

> > > > Mohanraaam.

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " mishra.lalit@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mohanraaam - Yogi,

> > > > >

> > > > > Your are so angry, what causes anger, a hurt ego... nothing

> > else.

> > > > >

> > > > > Even u have addressed your mail to Mr. Abhishek, while

> replying

> > > > to me.

> > > > > Pls. cool down.

> > > > > I have told u about " P - Priya and Preeti ... " .

> > > > >

> > > > > The first half part of ur findings is true, how much true, I

> > will

> > > > tell u

> > > > > - " I knew two girls, whose name begins with 'P', one is

> Preeti

> > and

> > > > other

> > > > > is Priya " . right, I m not like u, i mean, a man who is

> caught

> > up

> > > > in

> > > > > abundance of EGO, have confidence to accept the truth upto

> > where

> > > > it is

> > > > > true.

> > > > >

> > > > > Preeti is a Biotech student and she contacted me after she

> saw

> > my

> > > > > profile in the net, She is taller than me and 9 yrs younger

> to

> > me,

> > > > > still, wanted to proceed towards marriage, I thought this

> may

> > look

> > > > good

> > > > > today but tomorrow may not, I asked her to not to contact me

> > as i

> > > > dont

> > > > > think good prospects of togatherness, off cource, she w'd

> have

> > > > > discussed it in my home town, Rewa is not a big place and we

> > all

> > > > are

> > > > > brahmins, so things gets spread, the communication was

> throuh

> > net

> > > > and

> > > > > few times through phone, pls. mind it, i have not seen her

> > > > physically.

> > > > > never met her physically. So, ur prashan chart skills need

> to

> > ne

> > > > > refined, the basic is good, after a point and the

> interprition

> > > > that u do

> > > > > is misleading. Ok.

> > > > >

> > > > > Next is Priya, I liked this girl more, and felt bad about

> her,

> > she

> > > > is a

> > > > > kind of girl, misguided by the peers and this age.

> > > > >

> > > > > I never met her also, try to check in ur's prashna chart, She

> > > > again met

> > > > > me through Net, She gave her false introduction like She is a

> > > > Software

> > > > > Engineer, working with Mphasis, Bombay and about to visit

> > Germany,

> > > > All

> > > > > was wrong. She had a boy friend, once she refered to me and

> > then a

> > > > > deviation came in her behaviro, As per priya he already

> > proposed

> > > > her,

> > > > > but some disturbance between them came, He didn't belong to

> a

> > good

> > > > > family and of cheep type guy.

> > > > >

> > > > > I was worried for her, I never wanted her to spoil her life

> > with

> > > > a such

> > > > > type of guy, I tried to convince about the meaning of life

> and

> > > > values of

> > > > > our culture, She felt bad, and got angry, Once what happened

> > and

> > > > still

> > > > > unbelievable to me, let me put here, During my daily puja, I

> > saw

> > > > Shani

> > > > > is coming to me and has occupied me, I have got divine

> > protection

> > > > form

> > > > > lord Hanuman Ji, still, i could not call him for help, what i

> > > > could do

> > > > > and i had no idea about a learned siddha, what happens is,

> in a

> > > > minute

> > > > > My frined Nirmesh called me from mumbai.

> > > > >

> > > > > My friend Nirmesh is a Sr, HR Manager with Reliance Retail,

> he

> > was

> > > > with

> > > > > his girl friend, in fact i played a role in reconcilation of

> > > > disturbance

> > > > > between them so they were calling me, As Priya told to me,

> she

> > > > lives in

> > > > > Bombay, I missed her, and thought to contact her, I wanted to

> > > > write a

> > > > > mail about me , a mail with all my emotions but here Saturn

> > Played

> > > > a

> > > > > role and in place of sending that emotionl mail to Priya, I

> > happen

> > > > to

> > > > > post that mail in a , she and me both were

> members,

> > I

> > > > > created that group to promote youngersters of my region in

> > software

> > > > > industry, and my own personal mail was posted in the group,

> My

> > own

> > > > > mistake, Pls. check, if u are referring to this incident.

> > > > >

> > > > > She became so angry on me, but what i could do, all was my

> > mistake

> > > > and i

> > > > > lost her, I w'd like to tell u more, A friend of me was

> > jobless, I

> > > > gave

> > > > > him my own CV to put his name on the CV with all my projects

> > in his

> > > > > name, Pls check in ur's prashna chart. How i help people.

> Next

> > day

> > > > > after this incident, His birthday came, And the Priya

> addressed

> > > > him with

> > > > > so much of respect, The guy, in place of showing a respect

> > towards

> > > > me

> > > > > for my help, commented on me, A cunning man, I dont know he

> and

> > > > many

> > > > > others have contributed more in widening the gap in between

> me

> > and

> > > > > Priya. I dont know if he is still in touch with her, or all

> was

> > > > planned

> > > > > by them togather. I dont know anything.

> > > > >

> > > > > I still dont know who this Priya was and where she lives in,

> If

> > > > she is a

> > > > > girl or a game of those guys who wanted me to look down in

> that

> > > >

> > > > > Group. coz, when i started searching her, what i found is, in

> > > > mphasis

> > > > > there is only one Priya Tiwari, who works with a BPO, she

> was

> > not

> > > > a

> > > > > Software Engineer and she never lived in Bombay, She was in

> > Noida

> > > > > itself. For ur satisfaction, I can post my mails to HR

> > department

> > > > of

> > > > > Mphasis.

> > > > >

> > > > > I dont know what happend to her, This BPO priya, i also have

> > not

> > > > met

> > > > > her, looks different than the other Priya whom i was

> searching.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, Dear old friend, Check ur Prashna Chart skills more and

> > more,

> > > > Baiscs

> > > > > are correct, ur interpretition is quite wrong and u have not

> > got

> > > > enough

> > > > > experience in life to judge me and realities.

> > > > >

> > > > > whatever be is Vedanga or Shastra, I wanted to let u know

> every

> > > > bit of

> > > > > knowledge is divine and pavitra. Leave the arrogance and

> start

> > > > doing

> > > > > preperation for ur journey that u have to do in near future.

> > > > >

> > > > > If any one in the Group, can give light on this Priya's

> case,

> > coz

> > > > i had

> > > > > soft feelings for her despite all her lies, I w'd be grateful

> > > > otherwise

> > > > > it's OK. Can u tell me how and where she is and if she really

> > > > exists,

> > > > > and if any occult people can help me in establishing a

> contact

> > > > with her

> > > > > if she really exists w'd be good for me. I w'd pay whatever u

> > > > demand.

> > > > > Will any one take the challange ? i wont ask u what u cant

> do,

> > I

> > > > > promise.

> > > > >

> > > > > I didn't tell about Preeti and Priya to Pandit ji it was not

> > > > necessary,

> > > > > better if he w'd have told me sth about them, but Pandit Ji

> all

> > > > the time

> > > > > kept telling me about my Karmic Balance of the previous

> birth,

> > It

> > > > was me

> > > > > who gave him hints abot the spirit, Not he, he didnt tell me

> > any

> > > > thing

> > > > > about the spirit and when i told him about the spirti's

> > storey, he

> > > > said

> > > > > he has seen it Prashan chart, tell me where i was wrong, I

> > asked

> > > > him to

> > > > > give me Prashan Chart, he denied.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear old friend, why u could not see in ur's prashna chart

> the

> > > > Saturn

> > > > > who got me occupied me during my Puja, I was not sleeping, I

> > saw

> > > > him

> > > > > with open eyes.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pls. check ur's prashna chart and I w'd request Mr. Rafal to

> > > > interefere

> > > > > and tell me about Priya, coz, i m having some pain, I dont

> know

> > > > anything

> > > > > , any truth of Priya Tiwari. I have her photograpgh that she

> > sent

> > > > to me

> > > > > which differs from the Priya whom i discovered in mphasis.

> > > > >

> > > > > Will any one come to help me ?

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

> > <mohanraaam@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Abhishek:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Know the difference between shastraas and the

> > vedaangas.....you

> > > > > > think an astrologer and a yogi like me would not have

> known

> > all

> > > > > > these! siksha, kalpam, chandas, mimamsa,nruktam and

> Jyotisam

> > are

> > > > > > the vedangas. Don't confuse the 18 shastras or the 64

> mighty

> > arts

> > > > > > with vedanga. You are shallow young man but are trying to

> > pass

> > > > > > judgments on great branches of knowledge and great persons

> of

> > > > > > knowledge. I am 86 years old and have lived a full life

> with

> > a

> > > > > > happy wife and 4 intelligent, well-settled children. Not a

> > > > > > frustrated unmarried luckless youngman like you!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Whatever you said to Panditji...I do not know because he

> has

> > not

> > > > > > divulged the complete exchange inthe forum...I think he

> > should

> > > > > > probably do that to expose your arrogance and idiocy

> levels

> > to

> > > > this

> > > > > > group......

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You may say that you did not have affairs - then what do

> you

> > > > tell of

> > > > > > a thing when you go after ladies and get heart-broken when

> > they

> > > > > > reject your proposal? You could not proceed to the level

> of a

> > > > > > mutual affair because they did not entertain you at all!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have not commented on my finding about Priya/

> > preeti.....I am

> > > > > > sure it is correct! And definitely your failures in this

> > regard

> > > > > > would have been a butt of jokes in your circle. I can bet

> on

> > > > that.

> > > > > > But definitely you will come out with your own versions to

> > deny

> > > > this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Did you tell all this to Guruji? I am sure you would not

> have

> > > > > > shared it in this light - but mark my words, he would have

> > found

> > > > it

> > > > > > out definitely! Only thing is - he is too decent to hurt

> > others

> > > > > > unnecessarily.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your posts are not clear....you are saying this and that

> > without

> > > > > > actually commenting on what others have written. Don't pass

> > > > > > judgement on astrology or its efficacy.Astrology is a basic

> > > > > > technique that one learns before predicting - but advanced

> > > > > > astrologers read far more into charts than what they

> indicate

> > > > from

> > > > > > conventional astrological classics - it is an applied

> field

> > and

> > > > the

> > > > > > horoscope is just a focus and an accessory tool for

> > prediction in

> > > > > > the hands of the greatest masters of this field.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Definitely you are not one to comment on the need of

> > astrological

> > > > > > research without knowing the basic vedic etiquettes of

> > behaving

> > > > with

> > > > > > learned astrologers!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Definitely Guruji's wise counsel have been useless to you -

> a

> > > > > > buffalo will cherish only the muddy waters - will it know

> the

> > > > > > differnece between Ganges and the gutter?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One suggestion young man - try to go into Guruji's mails

> > > > carefully

> > > > > > and quietly. His words are worth their weight in gold

> > usually.

> > > > > > Many have benefitted by his counsel - do not try to look

> > > > for " your

> > > > > > own version of truths " from his writings. If you do that,

> it

> > is a

> > > > > > waste of whatever money you paid Panditji. Understand his

> > > > counsel,

> > > > > > try to follow them, and you will do fine. But, stop

> > insulting and

> > > > > > passing unnecessary remarks on astrology and need for

> > > > astrological

> > > > > > development. Some self-seeking astrologers - capitalizing

> on

> > the

> > > > > > craze of Indian public for " scientific " research, " modern

> > > > research

> > > > > > into old classics " etc, have written volumes about the

> need

> > for

> > > > > > evolution of astrology whereas the reality is those who

> > follow

> > > > > > ancient classical wisdom have proved more efficient in all

> > these

> > > > > > predictive techniques than those " researchers " . Parampara

> > has its

> > > > > > own significance. You still eat through your mouth though

> > times

> > > > > > have changed (I am assuming here; or are you eating

> through

> > the

> > > > > > other end for novelty sake?). In the same way, nature has

> not

> > > > > > changed only certain outer manifestations have changed.

> Only

> > > > minor

> > > > > > modification of interpretaions are needed to suit

> > predictions to

> > > > > > modern day life and definitely there are not much gaps.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mohanraaam.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol "

> > mishra.lalit@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I cant say u " Idiot " and wont speak to u using level of

> > ur's

> > > > > > language,

> > > > > > > ok, Pls. check ur's Prashna Skills 100 times and

> discover

> > more

> > > > > > about me.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And my love affairs, I had no affair with any one,

> right,

> > check

> > > > > > it in

> > > > > > > ur Prashan Chart, however, when marriage came in my

> mind, i

> > > > came in

> > > > > > > touch with girls, liked two or three of them, ok, they

> > didn't

> > > > like

> > > > > > me,

> > > > > > > It happens. It was me who beforehand informed Panditji as

> > > > inputs

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > required to reach somewhere.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > See, i can say, the basic finding of ur prashan chart

> like

> > > > break

> > > > > > ups is

> > > > > > > true, but is little it misleading too, as no brak up in

> > sense

> > > > of

> > > > > > > break-up happened as no affiar even started, sometimes, u

> > > > should

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > careful more in reaching ur conclusions, that's why i

> say,

> > more

> > > > > > and more

> > > > > > > remains to discover, It's - " Apaurusheya "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Well, can u tell, in the storey, u posted in group,

> where

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > > " P-Priya, Preti etc.. " ? I will be more than happy to

> see

> > ur

> > > > > > findings,

> > > > > > > What Guruji said was completely different from u, I

> > discussed

> > > > > > with him

> > > > > > > why i dont get proposals from girls even having average

> > looks,

> > > > He

> > > > > > said

> > > > > > > to me, You change utr attitude and consider such

> > proposals, i

> > > > > > further

> > > > > > > asked him is it a big expectation to find a nice sweet

> > person,

> > > > i

> > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > think a model or actress but a girl with little good

> looks

> > and

> > > > good

> > > > > > > nature, even it is difficult, if it is difficult, i was

> > asking

> > > > him

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > describing him about me, my needs, my thoughts.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > and on what u did write - " And your posts about

> astrology

> > in

> > > > your

> > > > > > > arguments with Shri. Abhishek also clearly protray your

> > idiocy!

> > > > > > You are

> > > > > > > asking why Astrology

> > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other things?

> > > > Idiot -

> > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas and

> not

> > > > > > > Engineering......You do not know all this

> classifications

> > and

> > > > are

> > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to comment

> on

> > > > > > > subjects without knowing them "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pls study " Shulb Sutras " ok, U will find, Engineering is

> > there,

> > > > > > > Mathmatics is there, Ayourveda as medical science is

> there.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You are showing u r too full of urself, somtimes it

> > happens to

> > > > few

> > > > > > > people.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

> > > > <mohanraaam@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Lalith:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You " demanded " Panditji's phone no. and he

> refused....you

> > > > think

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > has no right to do that? It is his privacy...when you

> > have

> > > > been

> > > > > > > > pestering him over email how much more irresponsible

> you

> > > > would

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > been if he had given his phone no.? You think Panditji

> > has

> > > > time

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > spend on worthless brats like you who think the world

> is

> > > > > > revolving

> > > > > > > > around them? He has sent you an audio recording of the

> > > > mantra -

> > > > > > > > what else you need to know? Is the Great Man your

> slave

> > or

> > > > what

> > > > > > > > that you can demand everything that you want from him?

> > He is

> > > > too

> > > > > > > > proud for that!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You have no right to expect anything except service

> for

> > your

> > > > > > > > payment - assuming you have made some payment to

> Guruji!

> > Do

> > > > you

> > > > > > > > think you have bought him just because you asked his

> > > > service? I

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > sure you would have written something silly like this

> > (your

> > > > > > current

> > > > > > > > post is in itself silly) that annoyed Panditji! You

> say

> > the

> > > > > > matter

> > > > > > > > is over - but you keep on saying things as if Panditji

> > has

> > > > done a

> > > > > > > > mistake and you are justified.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And your posts about astrology in your arguments with

> > Shri.

> > > > > > Abhishek

> > > > > > > > also clearly protray your idiocy! You are asking why

> > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other

> things?

> > > > Idiot -

> > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas

> and

> > not

> > > > > > > > Engineering......You do not know all this

> classifications

> > > > and are

> > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to

> comment

> > on

> > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I just checked up a prashna chart to see what sort of

> > person

> > > > you

> > > > > > > > are.....From this, try to understand what all

> astrology

> > is

> > > > > > capable

> > > > > > > > of.....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Last year you would have proposed to a Lady - and your

> > > > failure

> > > > > > was a

> > > > > > > > widely circulated joke in your social circle.....is it

> > true

> > > > or

> > > > > > not?

> > > > > > > > Just understand - people have made fun of you only

> > because of

> > > > > > > > your " loser " attitude. You are childish in your

> attitude;

> > > > this is

> > > > > > > > one reason why women in your life are running away

> from

> > you.

> > > > > > Guruji

> > > > > > > > has just hinted on love failures in his post - but my

> > prashna

> > > > > > > > clearly indicates they have rejected you outright after

> > > > initial

> > > > > > > > interactions with you because you have been " chasing "

> > them

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > troubling them with undiplomatic messages

> persistently.

> > Your

> > > > last

> > > > > > > > serious connection when the lady rejected your

> proposal -

> > her

> > > > > > name

> > > > > > > > is likely to be in the " pa " varga (preeti, Priya, etc.

> > any of

> > > > > > these -

> > > > > > > > you may think I have not found the right name - but

> > knowing

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > initial word of a person about whom I know nothing is

> in

> > > > itself

> > > > > > > > difficult - and no amount of research in scientific

> > > > astrology can

> > > > > > > > give the exact name! Don't think your " researches " will

> > > > > > > > automatically pave the way to find the name and glorify

> > > > > > astrology -

> > > > > > > > because that is not possible!)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now do you understand what an astrologer is capable of!

> > > > Guruji is

> > > > > > > > too decent to insult you by writing like this -

> > definitely he

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > have found out all these. He would have counselled you

> > about

> > > > > > change

> > > > > > > > of attitude mainly regarding this....you would not

> have

> > got

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > hint. Yet in message after message you are justifying

> and

> > > > > > > > projecting as if your grievance is genuine.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Heights of arrogance - thinking you have the right to

> > > > disturb a

> > > > > > > > learned senior astrologer as and when you want! I am

> > > > associated

> > > > > > > > with Panditji for so long and yet I do not have his

> > mobile

> > > > no. do

> > > > > > > > you know that? He has email id and he is very prompt

> in

> > his

> > > > > > replies

> > > > > > > > through that. Do you know anything of that great man

> or

> > his

> > > > daily

> > > > > > > > schedules? He has not merely one client like you - but

> > > > thosands

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > admirers, students, disciples, and clients all over the

> > > > world. If

> > > > > > > > all start calling Guruji will he ever have time for

> > himself?

> > > > That

> > > > > > > > is why he is not giving the mobile. Your post speaks

> as

> > if

> > > > he is

> > > > > > > > hiding himself.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is probably his mistake that he is helping out

> people

> > like

> > > > > > you -

> > > > > > > > the great man does not differentiate much and tries to

> > help

> > > > out

> > > > > > > > suffering people even if they are undeserving.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Try to change your attitude for your own good. Improve

> > > > yourself

> > > > > > > > before trying to comment on great fields like

> astrology,

> > > > about

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > you do not know even a speck. There are no gaps in

> > > > astrological

> > > > > > > > knowledge. Enough knowledge has been documented as

> Shri.

> > > > Potti

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > written in his post.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mohanraaam.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > .vedic astrology , " litsol "

> > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear primusjyotish,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You are right, in fact differences begane, when i

> asked

> > > > Pandit

> > > > > > Ji's

> > > > > > > > > phone nos to communicate to him, he refused to give

> his

> > > > nos, I

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > surprised, being a client, paying for the

> consultation

> > a

> > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > communication is required, so at least a

> communication

> > over

> > > > > > phone

> > > > > > > > > should happen, It was refused, he recommened a

> mantra,

> > i

> > > > was

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > on it's pronunciation, the rerequest to tell right

> > > > > > pronunciation

> > > > > > > > over

> > > > > > > > > phone was also refused, then a copy of charts made

> was

> > > > refused.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I didnt come to group for so many refusals.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And there were two contradictory explanations , the

> > timing

> > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > very wide for an event - one year and it was said

> that

> > it's

> > > > > > > > conditional

> > > > > > > > > too, I was not understanding what to conclude and

> then

> > > > pandit

> > > > > > Ji

> > > > > > > > posted

> > > > > > > > > my private communication partly in the group. Later,

> > > > pandit ji

> > > > > > > > provided

> > > > > > > > > me sound files of the mantras, ok, my confusion on

> > > > > > pronunciation

> > > > > > > > > removed.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now, it is over, and i dont want to discuss it

> further.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Jyotish

> > > > Volunteers "

> > > > > > > > > <primusjyotishi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > One would not consult a doctor for his physical

> > ailments

> > > > or a

> > > > > > > > > > psychiatrist for his mental ailments through

> > internet.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this is why many like Sri K.N. Rao strongly

> > > > recommend

> > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > seeking solutions to serious matters via internet

> > and to

> > > > use

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > tested procedure of face-to-face, in-person

> > consultation.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Convenience gets in the way and causes more pain

> > > > ultimately,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > need to get the answer here and now,

> > unfortunately ...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol "

> > > > > > mishra.lalit@

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Pandit Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I bought a service and had a private

> communication,

> > > > it's at

> > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > sight

> > > > > > > > > > > wrong for u to post any part of private

> > communication

> > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > consent.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > U cant imagine anything solely at ur end, if i

> > myself

> > > > gave

> > > > > > u

> > > > > > > > hints

> > > > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > > possible obstacle due to spirit, how i m going

> to

> > fear

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > thing

> > > > > > > > > > or the

> > > > > > > > > > > other. This should not be basis of not providing

> > > > > > infomation.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You are at advanced level, which is realized by

> > many

> > > > that's

> > > > > > > > why u

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > being contacted, but that u r into deciding

> > everything

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > profession one

> > > > > > > > > > > sided, can not be justified.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Though, i wanted chart for keeping in my

> records,

> > with

> > > > no

> > > > > > > > doubts on

> > > > > > > > > > u,

> > > > > > > > > > > ur apporach makes me think otherwise.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In any profession, transparency is key to gain

> > one's

> > > > faith

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > that u

> > > > > > > > > > > didn't bother this, on the basis of ur advanced

> > level u

> > > > > > pls.

> > > > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > > > > > justify what is incorrect, it's a pity that u

> make

> > ur

> > > > mood

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > post

> > > > > > > > > > > private communication and at the same time, in ur

> > > > reply to

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > private

> > > > > > > > > > > mail id, u accused me that i can post ur advanced

> > > > > > technique in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > group, I dont know how to react.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > That's a clear contradiction, I was interested

> in

> > the

> > > > final

> > > > > > > > outcome

> > > > > > > > > > > which is chart, i should know that, and not in

> ur's

> > > > > > technique

> > > > > > > > but u

> > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > made it a public issue instread of giving same

> to

> > me.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Why development of ancient knowledge has come to

> an

> > > > end is

> > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > this fear which i dont know why some knowledgable

> > > > people

> > > > > > like u

> > > > > > > > > > > insttalled within.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I wish to assure u that ur respect is no way

> > > > corroborated

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > intact in

> > > > > > > > > > > my views, i m also thankful to u for the

> remedies

> > and

> > > > > > mantras u

> > > > > > > > > > provided

> > > > > > > > > > > to me, even if that dont work, i will have same

> > respect

> > > > > > for u

> > > > > > > > but u

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > completely wrong at ur part in ur dealings. Pls.

> > check

> > > > ur

> > > > > > > > dasha and

> > > > > > > > > > > antardasha, something wrong somewhere.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic-

> > > > astrology , " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting an extract of the interaction

> > between

> > > > myself

> > > > > > > > and one

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > this list members who wanted a prediction from

> > me. I

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > counselling based on his horoscope and also

> > based on

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart. Marital chart showed marital delays and

> > > > problem

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > love

> > > > > > > > > > > > matters which he has already experienced. The

> > prashna

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > showed

> > > > > > > > > > > > the possibility of " Paisacha baadha " (trouble

> > due to

> > > > > > ghostly

> > > > > > > > > > > > entities that block happiness in the family).

> I

> > had

> > > > taken

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > matter into account and not wanting to scare

> the

> > > > member

> > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily, I had not divulged the matter

> to

> > him.

> > > > > > > > Instead, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > suggested beeja mantras to counteract that

> > effect and

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > suggested " Sumangali Pooja " to be performed.

> He

> > later

> > > > > > came

> > > > > > > > back to

> > > > > > > > > > > > me and asked about the ghostly events himself

> > > > because his

> > > > > > > > family

> > > > > > > > > > > > members have had visitations from that entity.

> I

> > > > replied

> > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > > > saying that I have already taken that factor

> into

> > > > account

> > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > > giving my suggestions.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The prashna chart showed that the entity is

> > likely to

> > > > > > leave

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Earth Plane by this year end and so it cannot

> > trouble

> > > > > > him any

> > > > > > > > > > > > longer. So, based on that and also based on his

> > > > > > horoscope,

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > having faith in the remedies I had suggested,

> I

> > had

> > > > > > predicted

> > > > > > > > > > > > possibility of marriage in Feb 2008 or in 2009.

> > > > Actually,

> > > > > > > > dasa-

> > > > > > > > > > > > bhukti and transit influences are quite tough

> and

> > > > > > > > contradictory

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > this event and I had taken so many factors and

> > > > > > > > balanced/counter-

> > > > > > > > > > > > balanced so many possibilities and had

> predicted

> > the

> > > > > > date as

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > Benediction; let the marriage happen in Feb

> > 2008! I

> > > > had

> > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > > > to the extent of suggesting attitude

> modification

> > > > (he may

> > > > > > > > not get

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > wife of his expectations) for the marriage to

> > > > happen; or

> > > > > > > > else it

> > > > > > > > > > > > might even be denied.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the member has been persisting about

> > sharing the

> > > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > with him. I had given him broad hints about

> why I

> > > > though

> > > > > > > > Paisacha

> > > > > > > > > > > > baadha was there for him; but he insists that I

> > > > share the

> > > > > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart and give the complete details to him, or

> > else

> > > > I am

> > > > > > > > unfair!

> > > > > > > > > > My

> > > > > > > > > > > > reservation regarding this is that prashna is

> an

> > > > advanced

> > > > > > > > > > > > application and sharing its techniques offhand

> > may be

> > > > > > > > confusing

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > may lead the native into reading too much into

> > each

> > > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > and fear paisacha baadha when infact it might

> > not be

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > at all!

> > > > > > > > > > > > He does not understand me and is getting at me

> > > > prompting

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > write

> > > > > > > > > > > > mail after mail and I am at my patience's end!

> > If I

> > > > spend

> > > > > > > > > > pointless

> > > > > > > > > > > > time debating like this with one person how

> can I

> > > > serve

> > > > > > > > > > > > others.....Why does not this member understand

> > this?

> > > > Not

> > > > > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > > > > > > sensitive prashna charts is a hallowed

> > > > tradition......Am

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > justified in my action when I have acted in

> the

> > best

> > > > > > > > interests of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the member?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting the latest exchange between us

> for

> > your

> > > > > > > > reference. I

> > > > > > > > > > > > request those who are knowledgeable in

> authentic

> > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > > traditions

> > > > > > > > > > > > to write to the member (He is the person who is

> > > > cutting

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > pasting

> > > > > > > > > > > > the Garga Hora in this list) telling him that

> I

> > am

> > > > > > justified

> > > > > > > > in my

> > > > > > > > > > > > stand, and I am doing it in the best

> interests.

> > He

> > > > does

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > understand the danger of maintaining the

> prashna

> > > > chart

> > > > > > > > indicating

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > paisacha baadha which is inauspicious! I am

> > pained

> > > > by his

> > > > > > > > words

> > > > > > > > > > > > like " Your are hiding something; hiding things

> is

> > > > not a

> > > > > > sign

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > fairness " etc. It is almost like accusing me of

> > > > being a

> > > > > > > > cheat!

> > > > > > > > > > Again

> > > > > > > > > > > > he comment on my professionalism; I am acting

> as

> > per

> > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > professional

> > > > > > > > > > > > ethics; why is he - a novice imputing motives

> to

> > me

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > commenting

> > > > > > > > > > > > on my professionalism? Is this what an

> astrologer

> > > > gets

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > service?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Below is the extract....

> > > > > > > > > > > > --------------

> --

> > ----

> > > > ----

> > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > -----

> > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith Mishra:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Unnecessary openness in the name of frankness

> is

> > the

> > > > > > bane of

> > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > society now-a-days. Will you go out in the

> nude

> > on

> > > > the

> > > > > > public

> > > > > > > > > > roads

> > > > > > > > > > > > just to prove you have nothing to hide? Asking

> > > > advanced

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > unique

> > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques of a practising

> > professional

> > > > > > > > persistently

> > > > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > > > after he has denied access to that knowledge

> is

> > very

> > > > > > rude .

> > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > access to that knowledge was denied because it

> > can be

> > > > > > > > > > misinterpreted

> > > > > > > > > > > > and if you post that " technique " in the VA

> list,

> > many

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > > > > will get anxious (just as some members are

> > wondering

> > > > > > what is

> > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > > with their horoscopes with the Garga Hora

> > posting of

> > > > > > yours!)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > What do I have to gain by withholding

> > information? I

> > > > am

> > > > > > too

> > > > > > > > > > > > advanced in my profession to be taking advice

> > from

> > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > regarding

> > > > > > > > > > > > what is the professional way of handling my

> > clients.

> > > > I

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > malefic intentions, and your accusing me of

> being

> > > > unfair

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > rude

> > > > > > > > > > (in

> > > > > > > > > > > > fact each of your mails contains something or

> the

> > > > other).

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I can assure you only one thing - I have acted

> > in the

> > > > > > best of

> > > > > > > > > > > > intentions.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting this in the VA list so that other

> > > > learned

> > > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > > might

> > > > > > > > > > > > put some wisdom into you (I have failed in

> this

> > with

> > > > my

> > > > > > > > repeated

> > > > > > > > > > > > replies to you).

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " Lalit Mishra, Noida " mlalit@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Res. Pandit Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > On the one hand , I m thankful to you for all

> ur

> > > > analysis

> > > > > > > > and I

> > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > follow ur instructions but on the other I must

> > say

> > > > don't

> > > > > > > > seem fair

> > > > > > > > > > > > enough in ur professional approach.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Hiding things is not a sign of fairness.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If I knew astrology, perhapse I w'd not have

> > asked u

> > > > for

> > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > > simple

> > > > > > > > > > > > things or charts, required to keep in my

> > records. My

> > > > > > level

> > > > > > > > is not

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > constraint for u to share important charts, if

> > > > tomorrow I

> > > > > > > > need to

> > > > > > > > > > > > contact u for sth, how I w'd do without any

> > > > reference.

> > > > > > If I

> > > > > > > > ask

> > > > > > > > > > u, u

> > > > > > > > > > > > should not hold things at ur's end and u don't

> > gain

> > > > any

> > > > > > > > thing with

> > > > > > > > > > > > ur approach.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > ===================================================================

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Lalith:

 

If you apologize to me and to the group for having spoilt the

atmosphere of this group, I will also do so. Otherwise, you are free

to do what you feel like doing.

 

Definitely if we meet in the court, I will tell about your " sani

darshan " during cross-examination and have you put in the mental

asylum for a mental status check!

 

But, if you are prepared to leave it here....I will also leave it

here! I want to end the controversy sincerely. Because, the name of

the man whom I wanted to defend zealously is getting tarnished with

each of your posts in your misunderstanding.

 

Sumangali pooja is not done for ghosts; please try to understand

that. There is no contradiction in Panditji's posts. He has asked

you to pray to your ancestors to get protection from the ghostly

disturbances in the family. At least this is my understanding of this.

You can get clarification for this from Panditji directly.

 

If you decide to leave this matter here, I will also leave it with no

hard feelings. But, I am not afraid of your court proceedings, and

will not apologize if you will not apologize.

 

Mohanraaam.

 

vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit

wrote:

>

>

> You look quite Cunning, Clever and claim to be an Yogi !!

>

> A baised man, with handful knowledge, Why i should not take you

to the

> court , I seek a Sorry from you otherwise to give u a lsson, I will

> lodge a case of defamation against you, next week i will lodge a

case,

> Now be ready to know and read ur own fate. See it in ur's prashna

chart

> or ur's horoscope. I had no issues with you, still, u tried to

become

> oversmart, So, u should get e lesson.

>

>

> And see the contradiction in PanditJi's analysis -

> He says two things, this is to me in my mails -

>

> " Though none of your ancestors died a premature death, there will

> definitely be some lady ancestor who died even as her husband was

alive

> at least 4 generations back. They are venerated for

auspiciousness.

> You try to find out if someone was like that. If no one was like

that,

> even then the sumangali pooja can be done for your sister. This

will

> definitely help you "

>

> " Actually, when I said I will pray for you, I had this ghostly

> disturbance in mind. I had already decided that I will what I can

to

> control that. But, as you might be aware, it is quite possible

that the

> entity may be more powerful than me, and might win the battle!

That is

> why I did not want to commit anything "

>

> And this is in the group -

>

> " Honestly, I did identify the Paisacha Baadha which has got to do

> with his own maltreatment of his wife of earlier birth. That is why

> I said it was karmic. If it is a simple ghostly visit, exorcism is

> not difficult; but when his karma intervenes, we cannot help him

> unless his attitude changes and he " accepts " he has possibly gone

> wrong somewhere .... "

>

> Now, see, on the one hand " The lady spirit is my ancestor, and on

the

> other, my previsou birth's wife or someone related to my wife " .

>

> Open ur eyes, old man... ur ego wont help u and u wont win any

respect

> with ur cunningness.

> Ur biased nature indicates faults in ur horoscope, Post ur

horoscope in

> the group, ur truth will come out in ur own way.

>

> This is the gist of ur's 86 years of life and yoga sadhana that u

are

> biased and cunning, political and clever in ur approach. cramming

> shlokas wont help u in ur unethical behavior.

>

> U say, if i m craving for meeting or knowing a person, i have an

affair,

> now, i m craving to meet u, I have an affair with u, what a genius

u r

> !! great and if u dont say sorry, i will meet u in the court room.

I can

> firgive u if u confess ur biased attitude.

>

> ~Lalit.

>

>

vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer "

> <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Mohanraaamji:

> >

> > I will just represent these facts:

> >

> > 1) I did refuse to share my mobile no. with the member Lalith just

> > as I do with everyone. I am always accessible by email; and email

> > exchanges are convenient to me because I can answer them back as

> > soon as I am free after a pooja session or counselling session.

> > Getting a phone call in the midst of a pooja or a counselling

> > disturbs me. Everyone who has moved with me knows that. Somehow

> > Shri. Lalith got offended by that. I could not help it, and I

don't

> > intend to change my stance of not sharing mobile nos. with anyone.

> > I DID REFUSE TO SHARE THE PRASHNA CHART WITH HIM FOR REASONS I

HAVE

> > STATED BEFORE AND WHICH RAFALJI HAS ALSO POINTED OUT CORRECTLY

> >

> > 2) I NEVER CLAIMED I AM A VVIP IN ANY OF MY MAILS TO HIM....He is

> > probably exaggerating it in his anger. However, when he wrote

> > lecturistic mails saying things like " You are unprofessional; you

> > are hiding something, it is not fair " , etc. I did write " I am too

> > senior to be taking advices from novices like you " . This is

exactly

> > (or something similar in meaning) what I wrote to him. You are

right

> > in saying that I would not have written like that... Thanks for

your

> > trust in me and my nature.

> >

> > 3) Honestly, I did identify the Paisacha Baadha which has got to

do

> > with his own maltreatment of his wife of earlier birth. That is

why

> > I said it was karmic. If it is a simple ghostly visit, exorcism is

> > not difficult; but when his karma intervenes, we cannot help him

> > unless his attitude changes and he " accepts " he has possibly gone

> > wrong somewhere and that is the root of his frustration. Again, he

> > is not able to digest that he will not get a wife according to his

> > expectations. That was the real root of the problem. I had

> > categorically told him that which is what prompted the frequent

> > mails between us. CAN THE ASTROLOGER PLAY GOD AND SAY WHAT THE

> > CLIENT WISHES TO HEAR? I do not believe in that. I am a human with

> > normal human limitations, and I belive even remedies are only

humble

> > Mercy Petitions and it is up to Divine Providence to hear our

pleas

> > and consider our requests favourably.

> >

> > 4) I believe Fate is dynamic and remedies do have the potential to

> > change Fate. It is customary of me to avoid predicting events for

> > which I have given remedies for this simple reason.....Remedies

are

> > given ONLY when the astrologer sees something is wrong and there

is

> > some hope to redeem the situation. That being the case, if the

> > client insists on a technically correct analysis at this point of

> > time - then the prediction should necessarily be negative. But,

> > then what about the remedies? If they succeed, the thing could

> > change! Now, what can the astrologer say in this situation. So, my

> > usual request to clients in such a situation is to perform the

> > remedies and get back to me after certain period, and later check

> > with a prashna to see if the remedies have infact produced any

> > desirable alteration in Fate. Somehow, the member has

misunderstood

> > the dynamics of this and possibly even my motives.

> >

> > 5) He wrote to me yesterday apologizing for the bitter turn of

> > events, and I have Blessed him and requested him to do the

> > remedies. Even today, he asked for guidance about the sumangali

> > pooja because it seems the Vedic Pandits in his areas did not

about

> > it. I have detailed the procedure to him. I wonder why he still

> > harps on the matter sharing things uncharitably about me. I have

> > been providing him support and guidance to the best of my

abilities

> > and if he still misunderstands me, I can't help it; nor do I have

> > the time to brood on that.

> >

> > Please for the benefit of the forum, let us end this here.

> >

> > If Shri Lalith is not willing to end the matter, Mohanraaamji - I

> > implore you ....you at least end this exchange with him.

> >

> > Blessed be.

> > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> >

> > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

> > mohanraaam@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalith:

> > >

> > > Can you post in the forum Panditji's mail where you claim he has

> > > written he is a VVIP? This must be a blatant lie. Pandit

> > > Dakshinamoorthiji is not one to write like that! This is a

> > blatant

> > > lie! I am sure. If Panditji has really claimed he is a VVIP, I

> > > will take back all that I have written to you.

> > >

> > > He has never given his phone no. to anyone in this list. So,

what

> > > special previlege do you think you have got you faggot? Does he

> > not

> > > have a right for his own privacy?

> > >

> > > What will happen to his sanity if he starts getting your idiotic

> > > phone calls on top of your stupid mails?

> > >

> > > He would have repeatedly written to you only in reply. You would

> > > have pestered him and he would have replied. You idiot have

> > failed

> > > to understand the decency of an astrologer when he has hinted at

> > > your problems diplomatically, and now you claim " he changed

lines "

> > > as if he is a cheat!

> > >

> > > I do not know how long you are associated with this

> > group.......Ask

> > > any forum member here whether Panditji is a person who changes

> > tack

> > > like that. In fact he is one of the more honest astrologers who

> > > admits that he has made a mistake if ever he has made one! But,

> > you

> > > are almost putting words into his mouth, and depicting as if he

> > has

> > > failed in his predictions.

> > >

> > > Truth to be told, Panditji would have felt no hope in your

> > situation

> > > unless you change yourself; and he would not have seen any

> > > possibility for that also. Hence he would have been at a loss of

> > > words as to what to do. Collaring an astrologer when he is

trying

> > > to soothen you with some hopeful predictions is really rude.

> > >

> > > Panditji is too senior and respected; otherwise, I would have

> > > written to him directly regarding this matter and known what is

> > all

> > > this......But, believing an idiot like you and enquiring with a

> > > senior astrologer is not possible.

> > >

> > > I again challenge you......show us the mail where Panditji

claimed

> > > hs is VVIP......You liar.....know whom you are accusing!

> > >

> > > Mohanraaam.-- In vedic astrology , " litsol "

> > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > What to say u old man, U have lost power to understand :

> > > >

> > > > I gave him my own resume, all my projects that i did, simply

> > gave

> > > him.

> > > >

> > > > Now, I have all rights to call u " Idiot " . U r too full of

> > > urself, A

> > > > blind man with heap of false EGO,what happened to me, I shared

> > > with u

> > > > and all, still u see, i m telling lies, m criminal.

Constantly u

> > r

> > > > advancing with ur poor logic and handful knowledge to blame me

> > for

> > > > everything.

> > > >

> > > > So, you are here to advocate pandit ji, I have not said a

single

> > > word

> > > > against him and u are abusing me constantly, I have posted my

> > birth

> > > > details in the group: - 17 -08-1972, 08:15 PM at Rewa (M.P)

and

> > > sent to

> > > > pandit ji, if u r using that to tell there is some debilitated

> > > planet,

> > > > not a strange for a man like u to play tricks.

> > > >

> > > > I purchased a service, didn't complain any thing to any one,

> > just

> > > asked

> > > > a phone no. to remove my doubts, It was my fault coz the

Pandit

> > Ji

> > > was

> > > > VVIP, it is his right to not to give me his phone and i have

no

> > > rights.

> > > > stop it and don't try to be smart. Ok, i still compromised and

> > > became

> > > > happy with the sound file, he sent to me after i informed him

> > > about my

> > > > difficulty on a portion of mantra. No problems, but i said,

this

> > > created

> > > > a difference in between.

> > > >

> > > > I m still not saying what pandit ji saw and what he didnt, But

> > he

> > > mailed

> > > > me constantly saying, it was my bad karma of previous birth,

> > very

> > > normal

> > > > and very general, every second person w'd tell same, but when

i

> > > informed

> > > > him about some spirit, he changed his line and said he has

> > already

> > > seen

> > > > it, I agreed to this also, but i thought it's an important

> > > information,

> > > > better to keep it in the record, he denied to give this also,

> > with

> > > no

> > > > reason. he said he wont give, still i was not complaining any

> > > thing,

> > > > just asked him once more for same prashna, he didn't tell any

> > > reason and

> > > > told that he is a VVIP, he wont give what he doesnt want. I

> > didn't

> > > > complain.

> > > >

> > > > And finally, He posted part of my mail to the group without

> > > informing

> > > > me, without seeking my consent and at the same time, he didnt

> > > forget

> > > > accusing me that i will disclose his precious techniques in

the

> > > group,

> > > > mind u idiot, on the one hand he is doing same thing and on

the

> > > other he

> > > > accused me saying - i may do it, and who did that - Pandit

Ji ?

> > > >

> > > > And u are here to call me mad. U dont deserve any respect.

There

> > > is no

> > > > value of ur Age and Experience, Yes, i should call u idiot.

You

> > > want to

> > > > twist ethics , u cant. u want to use a handful knowledge to

twist

> > > > ethics, u cant.

> > > >

> > > > I said something in general about Vedanga, or Vedic Granthas,

U

> > > poker,

> > > > entering into classification, definition.

> > > >

> > > > U want to challange me, for what ? instead of taking the

> > challange

> > > or

> > > > trying to understand what i m saying, what i m sharing

openly, u

> > > keep

> > > > abusing me.

> > > >

> > > > U put me a lot of pain and insult, I dont know if a handfull

> > > knowledge

> > > > makes a man like u, Can u tell me where is Priya and can u

help

> > me

> > > > establish a contact with her, for what, i was craving whole

> > year,

> > > that u

> > > > cant, u wont. coz u r fake.

> > > >

> > > > I cant write regards to u. Ok,

> > > >

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

> > <mohanraaam@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalith:

> > > > >

> > > > > You have written " Panditji did not write about spirits but

you

> > > told

> > > > > him.... " But from what he has posted, he had already found

it

> > out

> > > > > and was not sharing it with you. He had suggested remedies

> > > > > inclusive of that which is more important. A person of his

> > > stature

> > > > > need not try to " prove " his skills by giving shocking

> > > predictions.

> > > > > Experts of his calibre definitely are very subtle. In fact

the

> > > > > words " you have to balance your karma of previous lives "

that

> > you

> > > > > claim he was harping on refers to this ghostly apparition.

In

> > > your

> > > > > half-baked brain, it did not strike; that is all.

> > > > >

> > > > > Again, you claim that you are " helping " nature; and see the

> > > evidence

> > > > > you give for that......you have given all the projects that

> > you

> > > did

> > > > > under somebody's resume to " help " him. Legally, my friend,

you

> > > are

> > > > > not a helper but a " CRIMINAL " . No wonder with all your lies

you

> > > > > cannot share positive vibes with Panditji who never tells

lies!

> > > > >

> > > > > You claim " shani " visited you; why don't you claim Lord

Shiva

> > > > > visited you! You are mad young man! If you had really had

> > vision

> > > > > of Lord Shani it would have been shown in the prashna chart

> > that

> > > you

> > > > > are a Divine personality. You probably have debilitated

> > planets

> > > in

> > > > > your 9th house. You have delusions of spirituality.

> > > > >

> > > > > You have written " You do not differentiate knowledge " ; but

you

> > > have

> > > > > no rights to declassify what ancient people have classified

> > with

> > > a

> > > > > purpose. Vedangas, shaastras, all might be one for you; but

> > they

> > > > > have differnet purposes. Do not try to sit in judgment over

the

> > > > > wisdom of the great Seers and Saints who did tapasya before

> > > giving

> > > > > those wonderful shastras to us.

> > > > >

> > > > > You have said you have learnt some vedas to search at your

> > > Brahmin

> > > > > roots. You have definitely not learnt under a competent

person

> > or

> > > > > as usual, you have not imbibed the essence of the teachings

> > well.

> > > > > Vedas are oceanic and the little spec of knowledge you have

in

> > > that

> > > > > does not qualify you to speak like this.

> > > > >

> > > > > " Hitham poorva aachaarya vaakyena " means " welfare comes by

> > > following

> > > > > the words of ancient Masters " is a known Dharma shastraic

> > > injunction.

> > > > >

> > > > > You can research on things, you can analyze things with an

open

> > > > > mind; but do so with a reverential attitude and not with the

> > > > > assumption " that in India they did not spread knowledge,

etc. "

> > > The

> > > > > saints have purposefully hidden some powerful knowledge

> > sources

> > > so

> > > > > that they are not misused by half-baked morons. You see,

> > knowing

> > > > > some part of vedas makes you think that you are qualified to

> > > comment

> > > > > on that.....it is precisely to avoid such calamities, that

> > > ancients

> > > > > hid powerful arts. Those arts in the hands of good persons

can

> > > > > benefit many, while they will become subjects of mockery in

the

> > > > > hands of those who do not appreciate their Divinity.

> > > > >

> > > > > You have written " My Ego has made me angry " ...what is there

> > young

> > > > > man? I got angry not because you attacked me or even

Panditji;

> > > but

> > > > > because you have attacked this Divine Art and are

remorseless.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please do not say that Shani spoke to you; you may be put

into

> > an

> > > > > asylum for Paronia, Delusional Disorder, schizoid

personality

> > > > > disorder, etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > I sincerely apologize to the list for having written such a

> > > personal

> > > > > mail in this list, but this man cannot go unchallenged after

> > he

> > > has

> > > > > attempted to malign Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji - a noble soul

> > who

> > > is

> > > > > the pride of this group, and who I am sure - is considered

as a

> > > > > Blessing to this group by many members. I have nothing

> > personal

> > > in

> > > > > this. Even if this person had called me an " idiot " or even

in

> > > > > unparliamentary language, I would have forgiven him; but his

> > > > > irreverential attitude towards astrology and Panditji has

> > really

> > > put

> > > > > me off and prompted me in this exchange.

> > > > >

> > > > > No matter what he writes, I will not reply henceforth.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mohanraaam.

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol "

mishra.lalit@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam - Yogi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your are so angry, what causes anger, a hurt ego...

nothing

> > > else.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Even u have addressed your mail to Mr. Abhishek, while

> > replying

> > > > > to me.

> > > > > > Pls. cool down.

> > > > > > I have told u about " P - Priya and Preeti ... " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The first half part of ur findings is true, how much

true, I

> > > will

> > > > > tell u

> > > > > > - " I knew two girls, whose name begins with 'P', one is

> > Preeti

> > > and

> > > > > other

> > > > > > is Priya " . right, I m not like u, i mean, a man who is

> > caught

> > > up

> > > > > in

> > > > > > abundance of EGO, have confidence to accept the truth upto

> > > where

> > > > > it is

> > > > > > true.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Preeti is a Biotech student and she contacted me after she

> > saw

> > > my

> > > > > > profile in the net, She is taller than me and 9 yrs

younger

> > to

> > > me,

> > > > > > still, wanted to proceed towards marriage, I thought this

> > may

> > > look

> > > > > good

> > > > > > today but tomorrow may not, I asked her to not to contact

me

> > > as i

> > > > > dont

> > > > > > think good prospects of togatherness, off cource, she w'd

> > have

> > > > > > discussed it in my home town, Rewa is not a big place and

we

> > > all

> > > > > are

> > > > > > brahmins, so things gets spread, the communication was

> > throuh

> > > net

> > > > > and

> > > > > > few times through phone, pls. mind it, i have not seen her

> > > > > physically.

> > > > > > never met her physically. So, ur prashan chart skills need

> > to

> > > ne

> > > > > > refined, the basic is good, after a point and the

> > interprition

> > > > > that u do

> > > > > > is misleading. Ok.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Next is Priya, I liked this girl more, and felt bad about

> > her,

> > > she

> > > > > is a

> > > > > > kind of girl, misguided by the peers and this age.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I never met her also, try to check in ur's prashna chart,

She

> > > > > again met

> > > > > > me through Net, She gave her false introduction like She

is a

> > > > > Software

> > > > > > Engineer, working with Mphasis, Bombay and about to visit

> > > Germany,

> > > > > All

> > > > > > was wrong. She had a boy friend, once she refered to me

and

> > > then a

> > > > > > deviation came in her behaviro, As per priya he already

> > > proposed

> > > > > her,

> > > > > > but some disturbance between them came, He didn't belong

to

> > a

> > > good

> > > > > > family and of cheep type guy.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was worried for her, I never wanted her to spoil her

life

> > > with

> > > > > a such

> > > > > > type of guy, I tried to convince about the meaning of life

> > and

> > > > > values of

> > > > > > our culture, She felt bad, and got angry, Once what

happened

> > > and

> > > > > still

> > > > > > unbelievable to me, let me put here, During my daily

puja, I

> > > saw

> > > > > Shani

> > > > > > is coming to me and has occupied me, I have got divine

> > > protection

> > > > > form

> > > > > > lord Hanuman Ji, still, i could not call him for help,

what i

> > > > > could do

> > > > > > and i had no idea about a learned siddha, what happens is,

> > in a

> > > > > minute

> > > > > > My frined Nirmesh called me from mumbai.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My friend Nirmesh is a Sr, HR Manager with Reliance

Retail,

> > he

> > > was

> > > > > with

> > > > > > his girl friend, in fact i played a role in reconcilation

of

> > > > > disturbance

> > > > > > between them so they were calling me, As Priya told to me,

> > she

> > > > > lives in

> > > > > > Bombay, I missed her, and thought to contact her, I

wanted to

> > > > > write a

> > > > > > mail about me , a mail with all my emotions but here

Saturn

> > > Played

> > > > > a

> > > > > > role and in place of sending that emotionl mail to Priya,

I

> > > happen

> > > > > to

> > > > > > post that mail in a , she and me both were

> > members,

> > > I

> > > > > > created that group to promote youngersters of my region in

> > > software

> > > > > > industry, and my own personal mail was posted in the

group,

> > My

> > > own

> > > > > > mistake, Pls. check, if u are referring to this incident.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > She became so angry on me, but what i could do, all was my

> > > mistake

> > > > > and i

> > > > > > lost her, I w'd like to tell u more, A friend of me was

> > > jobless, I

> > > > > gave

> > > > > > him my own CV to put his name on the CV with all my

projects

> > > in his

> > > > > > name, Pls check in ur's prashna chart. How i help people.

> > Next

> > > day

> > > > > > after this incident, His birthday came, And the Priya

> > addressed

> > > > > him with

> > > > > > so much of respect, The guy, in place of showing a respect

> > > towards

> > > > > me

> > > > > > for my help, commented on me, A cunning man, I dont know

he

> > and

> > > > > many

> > > > > > others have contributed more in widening the gap in

between

> > me

> > > and

> > > > > > Priya. I dont know if he is still in touch with her, or

all

> > was

> > > > > planned

> > > > > > by them togather. I dont know anything.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I still dont know who this Priya was and where she lives

in,

> > If

> > > > > she is a

> > > > > > girl or a game of those guys who wanted me to look down in

> > that

> > > > >

> > > > > > Group. coz, when i started searching her, what i found

is, in

> > > > > mphasis

> > > > > > there is only one Priya Tiwari, who works with a BPO, she

> > was

> > > not

> > > > > a

> > > > > > Software Engineer and she never lived in Bombay, She was

in

> > > Noida

> > > > > > itself. For ur satisfaction, I can post my mails to HR

> > > department

> > > > > of

> > > > > > Mphasis.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I dont know what happend to her, This BPO priya, i also

have

> > > not

> > > > > met

> > > > > > her, looks different than the other Priya whom i was

> > searching.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, Dear old friend, Check ur Prashna Chart skills more

and

> > > more,

> > > > > Baiscs

> > > > > > are correct, ur interpretition is quite wrong and u have

not

> > > got

> > > > > enough

> > > > > > experience in life to judge me and realities.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > whatever be is Vedanga or Shastra, I wanted to let u know

> > every

> > > > > bit of

> > > > > > knowledge is divine and pavitra. Leave the arrogance and

> > start

> > > > > doing

> > > > > > preperation for ur journey that u have to do in near

future.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If any one in the Group, can give light on this Priya's

> > case,

> > > coz

> > > > > i had

> > > > > > soft feelings for her despite all her lies, I w'd be

grateful

> > > > > otherwise

> > > > > > it's OK. Can u tell me how and where she is and if she

really

> > > > > exists,

> > > > > > and if any occult people can help me in establishing a

> > contact

> > > > > with her

> > > > > > if she really exists w'd be good for me. I w'd pay

whatever u

> > > > > demand.

> > > > > > Will any one take the challange ? i wont ask u what u cant

> > do,

> > > I

> > > > > > promise.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I didn't tell about Preeti and Priya to Pandit ji it was

not

> > > > > necessary,

> > > > > > better if he w'd have told me sth about them, but Pandit

Ji

> > all

> > > > > the time

> > > > > > kept telling me about my Karmic Balance of the previous

> > birth,

> > > It

> > > > > was me

> > > > > > who gave him hints abot the spirit, Not he, he didnt tell

me

> > > any

> > > > > thing

> > > > > > about the spirit and when i told him about the spirti's

> > > storey, he

> > > > > said

> > > > > > he has seen it Prashan chart, tell me where i was wrong, I

> > > asked

> > > > > him to

> > > > > > give me Prashan Chart, he denied.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear old friend, why u could not see in ur's prashna chart

> > the

> > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > who got me occupied me during my Puja, I was not

sleeping, I

> > > saw

> > > > > him

> > > > > > with open eyes.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pls. check ur's prashna chart and I w'd request Mr. Rafal

to

> > > > > interefere

> > > > > > and tell me about Priya, coz, i m having some pain, I dont

> > know

> > > > > anything

> > > > > > , any truth of Priya Tiwari. I have her photograpgh that

she

> > > sent

> > > > > to me

> > > > > > which differs from the Priya whom i discovered in mphasis.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Will any one come to help me ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

> > > <mohanraaam@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Abhishek:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Know the difference between shastraas and the

> > > vedaangas.....you

> > > > > > > think an astrologer and a yogi like me would not have

> > known

> > > all

> > > > > > > these! siksha, kalpam, chandas, mimamsa,nruktam and

> > Jyotisam

> > > are

> > > > > > > the vedangas. Don't confuse the 18 shastras or the 64

> > mighty

> > > arts

> > > > > > > with vedanga. You are shallow young man but are trying

to

> > > pass

> > > > > > > judgments on great branches of knowledge and great

persons

> > of

> > > > > > > knowledge. I am 86 years old and have lived a full life

> > with

> > > a

> > > > > > > happy wife and 4 intelligent, well-settled children.

Not a

> > > > > > > frustrated unmarried luckless youngman like you!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Whatever you said to Panditji...I do not know because he

> > has

> > > not

> > > > > > > divulged the complete exchange inthe forum...I think he

> > > should

> > > > > > > probably do that to expose your arrogance and idiocy

> > levels

> > > to

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > group......

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You may say that you did not have affairs - then what do

> > you

> > > > > tell of

> > > > > > > a thing when you go after ladies and get heart-broken

when

> > > they

> > > > > > > reject your proposal? You could not proceed to the level

> > of a

> > > > > > > mutual affair because they did not entertain you at all!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You have not commented on my finding about Priya/

> > > preeti.....I am

> > > > > > > sure it is correct! And definitely your failures in this

> > > regard

> > > > > > > would have been a butt of jokes in your circle. I can

bet

> > on

> > > > > that.

> > > > > > > But definitely you will come out with your own versions

to

> > > deny

> > > > > this.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Did you tell all this to Guruji? I am sure you would not

> > have

> > > > > > > shared it in this light - but mark my words, he would

have

> > > found

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > out definitely! Only thing is - he is too decent to hurt

> > > others

> > > > > > > unnecessarily.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your posts are not clear....you are saying this and that

> > > without

> > > > > > > actually commenting on what others have written. Don't

pass

> > > > > > > judgement on astrology or its efficacy.Astrology is a

basic

> > > > > > > technique that one learns before predicting - but

advanced

> > > > > > > astrologers read far more into charts than what they

> > indicate

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > conventional astrological classics - it is an applied

> > field

> > > and

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > horoscope is just a focus and an accessory tool for

> > > prediction in

> > > > > > > the hands of the greatest masters of this field.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Definitely you are not one to comment on the need of

> > > astrological

> > > > > > > research without knowing the basic vedic etiquettes of

> > > behaving

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > learned astrologers!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Definitely Guruji's wise counsel have been useless to

you -

> > a

> > > > > > > buffalo will cherish only the muddy waters - will it

know

> > the

> > > > > > > differnece between Ganges and the gutter?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > One suggestion young man - try to go into Guruji's mails

> > > > > carefully

> > > > > > > and quietly. His words are worth their weight in gold

> > > usually.

> > > > > > > Many have benefitted by his counsel - do not try to look

> > > > > for " your

> > > > > > > own version of truths " from his writings. If you do

that,

> > it

> > > is a

> > > > > > > waste of whatever money you paid Panditji. Understand

his

> > > > > counsel,

> > > > > > > try to follow them, and you will do fine. But, stop

> > > insulting and

> > > > > > > passing unnecessary remarks on astrology and need for

> > > > > astrological

> > > > > > > development. Some self-seeking astrologers -

capitalizing

> > on

> > > the

> > > > > > > craze of Indian public for " scientific "

research, " modern

> > > > > research

> > > > > > > into old classics " etc, have written volumes about the

> > need

> > > for

> > > > > > > evolution of astrology whereas the reality is those who

> > > follow

> > > > > > > ancient classical wisdom have proved more efficient in

all

> > > these

> > > > > > > predictive techniques than those " researchers " .

Parampara

> > > has its

> > > > > > > own significance. You still eat through your mouth

though

> > > times

> > > > > > > have changed (I am assuming here; or are you eating

> > through

> > > the

> > > > > > > other end for novelty sake?). In the same way, nature

has

> > not

> > > > > > > changed only certain outer manifestations have changed.

> > Only

> > > > > minor

> > > > > > > modification of interpretaions are needed to suit

> > > predictions to

> > > > > > > modern day life and definitely there are not much gaps.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mohanraaam.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol "

> > > mishra.lalit@

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I cant say u " Idiot " and wont speak to u using level

of

> > > ur's

> > > > > > > language,

> > > > > > > > ok, Pls. check ur's Prashna Skills 100 times and

> > discover

> > > more

> > > > > > > about me.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And my love affairs, I had no affair with any one,

> > right,

> > > check

> > > > > > > it in

> > > > > > > > ur Prashan Chart, however, when marriage came in my

> > mind, i

> > > > > came in

> > > > > > > > touch with girls, liked two or three of them, ok, they

> > > didn't

> > > > > like

> > > > > > > me,

> > > > > > > > It happens. It was me who beforehand informed

Panditji as

> > > > > inputs

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > required to reach somewhere.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > See, i can say, the basic finding of ur prashan chart

> > like

> > > > > break

> > > > > > > ups is

> > > > > > > > true, but is little it misleading too, as no brak up

in

> > > sense

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > break-up happened as no affiar even started,

sometimes, u

> > > > > should

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > careful more in reaching ur conclusions, that's why i

> > say,

> > > more

> > > > > > > and more

> > > > > > > > remains to discover, It's - " Apaurusheya "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Well, can u tell, in the storey, u posted in group,

> > where

> > > is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > " P-Priya, Preti etc.. " ? I will be more than happy to

> > see

> > > ur

> > > > > > > findings,

> > > > > > > > What Guruji said was completely different from u, I

> > > discussed

> > > > > > > with him

> > > > > > > > why i dont get proposals from girls even having

average

> > > looks,

> > > > > He

> > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > to me, You change utr attitude and consider such

> > > proposals, i

> > > > > > > further

> > > > > > > > asked him is it a big expectation to find a nice sweet

> > > person,

> > > > > i

> > > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > > think a model or actress but a girl with little good

> > looks

> > > and

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > > nature, even it is difficult, if it is difficult, i

was

> > > asking

> > > > > him

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > describing him about me, my needs, my thoughts.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > and on what u did write - " And your posts about

> > astrology

> > > in

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > > arguments with Shri. Abhishek also clearly protray

your

> > > idiocy!

> > > > > > > You are

> > > > > > > > asking why Astrology

> > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other

things?

> > > > > Idiot -

> > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas

and

> > not

> > > > > > > > Engineering......You do not know all this

> > classifications

> > > and

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to

comment

> > on

> > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pls study " Shulb Sutras " ok, U will find, Engineering

is

> > > there,

> > > > > > > > Mathmatics is there, Ayourveda as medical science is

> > there.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You are showing u r too full of urself, somtimes it

> > > happens to

> > > > > few

> > > > > > > > people.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

> > > > > <mohanraaam@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You " demanded " Panditji's phone no. and he

> > refused....you

> > > > > think

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > has no right to do that? It is his privacy...when

you

> > > have

> > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > pestering him over email how much more irresponsible

> > you

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > been if he had given his phone no.? You think

Panditji

> > > has

> > > > > time

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > spend on worthless brats like you who think the

world

> > is

> > > > > > > revolving

> > > > > > > > > around them? He has sent you an audio recording of

the

> > > > > mantra -

> > > > > > > > > what else you need to know? Is the Great Man your

> > slave

> > > or

> > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > that you can demand everything that you want from

him?

> > > He is

> > > > > too

> > > > > > > > > proud for that!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You have no right to expect anything except service

> > for

> > > your

> > > > > > > > > payment - assuming you have made some payment to

> > Guruji!

> > > Do

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > think you have bought him just because you asked his

> > > > > service? I

> > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > sure you would have written something silly like

this

> > > (your

> > > > > > > current

> > > > > > > > > post is in itself silly) that annoyed Panditji! You

> > say

> > > the

> > > > > > > matter

> > > > > > > > > is over - but you keep on saying things as if

Panditji

> > > has

> > > > > done a

> > > > > > > > > mistake and you are justified.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And your posts about astrology in your arguments

with

> > > Shri.

> > > > > > > Abhishek

> > > > > > > > > also clearly protray your idiocy! You are asking why

> > > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other

> > things?

> > > > > Idiot -

> > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas

> > and

> > > not

> > > > > > > > > Engineering......You do not know all this

> > classifications

> > > > > and are

> > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to

> > comment

> > > on

> > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I just checked up a prashna chart to see what sort

of

> > > person

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > are.....From this, try to understand what all

> > astrology

> > > is

> > > > > > > capable

> > > > > > > > > of.....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Last year you would have proposed to a Lady - and

your

> > > > > failure

> > > > > > > was a

> > > > > > > > > widely circulated joke in your social circle.....is

it

> > > true

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > not?

> > > > > > > > > Just understand - people have made fun of you only

> > > because of

> > > > > > > > > your " loser " attitude. You are childish in your

> > attitude;

> > > > > this is

> > > > > > > > > one reason why women in your life are running away

> > from

> > > you.

> > > > > > > Guruji

> > > > > > > > > has just hinted on love failures in his post - but

my

> > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > clearly indicates they have rejected you outright

after

> > > > > initial

> > > > > > > > > interactions with you because you have

been " chasing "

> > > them

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > troubling them with undiplomatic messages

> > persistently.

> > > Your

> > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > serious connection when the lady rejected your

> > proposal -

> > > her

> > > > > > > name

> > > > > > > > > is likely to be in the " pa " varga (preeti, Priya,

etc.

> > > any of

> > > > > > > these -

> > > > > > > > > you may think I have not found the right name - but

> > > knowing

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > initial word of a person about whom I know nothing

is

> > in

> > > > > itself

> > > > > > > > > difficult - and no amount of research in scientific

> > > > > astrology can

> > > > > > > > > give the exact name! Don't think your " researches "

will

> > > > > > > > > automatically pave the way to find the name and

glorify

> > > > > > > astrology -

> > > > > > > > > because that is not possible!)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now do you understand what an astrologer is capable

of!

> > > > > Guruji is

> > > > > > > > > too decent to insult you by writing like this -

> > > definitely he

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > have found out all these. He would have counselled

you

> > > about

> > > > > > > change

> > > > > > > > > of attitude mainly regarding this....you would not

> > have

> > > got

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > hint. Yet in message after message you are

justifying

> > and

> > > > > > > > > projecting as if your grievance is genuine.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Heights of arrogance - thinking you have the right

to

> > > > > disturb a

> > > > > > > > > learned senior astrologer as and when you want! I am

> > > > > associated

> > > > > > > > > with Panditji for so long and yet I do not have his

> > > mobile

> > > > > no. do

> > > > > > > > > you know that? He has email id and he is very prompt

> > in

> > > his

> > > > > > > replies

> > > > > > > > > through that. Do you know anything of that great man

> > or

> > > his

> > > > > daily

> > > > > > > > > schedules? He has not merely one client like you -

but

> > > > > thosands

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > admirers, students, disciples, and clients all over

the

> > > > > world. If

> > > > > > > > > all start calling Guruji will he ever have time for

> > > himself?

> > > > > That

> > > > > > > > > is why he is not giving the mobile. Your post speaks

> > as

> > > if

> > > > > he is

> > > > > > > > > hiding himself.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It is probably his mistake that he is helping out

> > people

> > > like

> > > > > > > you -

> > > > > > > > > the great man does not differentiate much and tries

to

> > > help

> > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > suffering people even if they are undeserving.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Try to change your attitude for your own good.

Improve

> > > > > yourself

> > > > > > > > > before trying to comment on great fields like

> > astrology,

> > > > > about

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > you do not know even a speck. There are no gaps in

> > > > > astrological

> > > > > > > > > knowledge. Enough knowledge has been documented as

> > Shri.

> > > > > Potti

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > written in his post.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > .vedic astrology , " litsol "

> > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear primusjyotish,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You are right, in fact differences begane, when i

> > asked

> > > > > Pandit

> > > > > > > Ji's

> > > > > > > > > > phone nos to communicate to him, he refused to

give

> > his

> > > > > nos, I

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > surprised, being a client, paying for the

> > consultation

> > > a

> > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > communication is required, so at least a

> > communication

> > > over

> > > > > > > phone

> > > > > > > > > > should happen, It was refused, he recommened a

> > mantra,

> > > i

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > on it's pronunciation, the rerequest to tell right

> > > > > > > pronunciation

> > > > > > > > > over

> > > > > > > > > > phone was also refused, then a copy of charts made

> > was

> > > > > refused.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I didnt come to group for so many refusals.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > And there were two contradictory explanations ,

the

> > > timing

> > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > very wide for an event - one year and it was said

> > that

> > > it's

> > > > > > > > > conditional

> > > > > > > > > > too, I was not understanding what to conclude and

> > then

> > > > > pandit

> > > > > > > Ji

> > > > > > > > > posted

> > > > > > > > > > my private communication partly in the group.

Later,

> > > > > pandit ji

> > > > > > > > > provided

> > > > > > > > > > me sound files of the mantras, ok, my confusion on

> > > > > > > pronunciation

> > > > > > > > > > removed.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Now, it is over, and i dont want to discuss it

> > further.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Jyotish

> > > > > Volunteers "

> > > > > > > > > > <primusjyotishi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > One would not consult a doctor for his physical

> > > ailments

> > > > > or a

> > > > > > > > > > > psychiatrist for his mental ailments through

> > > internet.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this is why many like Sri K.N. Rao

strongly

> > > > > recommend

> > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > seeking solutions to serious matters via

internet

> > > and to

> > > > > use

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > tested procedure of face-to-face, in-person

> > > consultation.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Convenience gets in the way and causes more pain

> > > > > ultimately,

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > need to get the answer here and now,

> > > unfortunately ...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol "

> > > > > > > mishra.lalit@

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I bought a service and had a private

> > communication,

> > > > > it's at

> > > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > sight

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrong for u to post any part of private

> > > communication

> > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > consent.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > U cant imagine anything solely at ur end, if i

> > > myself

> > > > > gave

> > > > > > > u

> > > > > > > > > hints

> > > > > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > > > possible obstacle due to spirit, how i m going

> > to

> > > fear

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > thing

> > > > > > > > > > > or the

> > > > > > > > > > > > other. This should not be basis of not

providing

> > > > > > > infomation.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You are at advanced level, which is realized

by

> > > many

> > > > > that's

> > > > > > > > > why u

> > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > being contacted, but that u r into deciding

> > > everything

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > profession one

> > > > > > > > > > > > sided, can not be justified.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Though, i wanted chart for keeping in my

> > records,

> > > with

> > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > doubts on

> > > > > > > > > > > u,

> > > > > > > > > > > > ur apporach makes me think otherwise.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In any profession, transparency is key to gain

> > > one's

> > > > > faith

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > that u

> > > > > > > > > > > > didn't bother this, on the basis of ur

advanced

> > > level u

> > > > > > > pls.

> > > > > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > > > > > > justify what is incorrect, it's a pity that u

> > make

> > > ur

> > > > > mood

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > post

> > > > > > > > > > > > private communication and at the same time,

in ur

> > > > > reply to

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > private

> > > > > > > > > > > > mail id, u accused me that i can post ur

advanced

> > > > > > > technique in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > group, I dont know how to react.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > That's a clear contradiction, I was interested

> > in

> > > the

> > > > > final

> > > > > > > > > outcome

> > > > > > > > > > > > which is chart, i should know that, and not in

> > ur's

> > > > > > > technique

> > > > > > > > > but u

> > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > made it a public issue instread of giving same

> > to

> > > me.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Why development of ancient knowledge has come

to

> > an

> > > > > end is

> > > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > this fear which i dont know why some

knowledgable

> > > > > people

> > > > > > > like u

> > > > > > > > > > > > insttalled within.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I wish to assure u that ur respect is no way

> > > > > corroborated

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > intact in

> > > > > > > > > > > > my views, i m also thankful to u for the

> > remedies

> > > and

> > > > > > > mantras u

> > > > > > > > > > > provided

> > > > > > > > > > > > to me, even if that dont work, i will have

same

> > > respect

> > > > > > > for u

> > > > > > > > > but u

> > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > completely wrong at ur part in ur dealings.

Pls.

> > > check

> > > > > ur

> > > > > > > > > dasha and

> > > > > > > > > > > > antardasha, something wrong somewhere.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic-

> > > > > astrology , " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting an extract of the interaction

> > > between

> > > > > myself

> > > > > > > > > and one

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this list members who wanted a prediction

from

> > > me. I

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > counselling based on his horoscope and also

> > > based on

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. Marital chart showed marital delays

and

> > > > > problem

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > love

> > > > > > > > > > > > > matters which he has already experienced.

The

> > > prashna

> > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > showed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the possibility of " Paisacha baadha "

(trouble

> > > due to

> > > > > > > ghostly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > entities that block happiness in the

family).

> > I

> > > had

> > > > > taken

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > matter into account and not wanting to scare

> > the

> > > > > member

> > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily, I had not divulged the matter

> > to

> > > him.

> > > > > > > > > Instead, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested beeja mantras to counteract that

> > > effect and

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested " Sumangali Pooja " to be performed.

> > He

> > > later

> > > > > > > came

> > > > > > > > > back to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > me and asked about the ghostly events

himself

> > > > > because his

> > > > > > > > > family

> > > > > > > > > > > > > members have had visitations from that

entity.

> > I

> > > > > replied

> > > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > > > > saying that I have already taken that factor

> > into

> > > > > account

> > > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > > > giving my suggestions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The prashna chart showed that the entity is

> > > likely to

> > > > > > > leave

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Earth Plane by this year end and so it

cannot

> > > trouble

> > > > > > > him any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > longer. So, based on that and also based on

his

> > > > > > > horoscope,

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > having faith in the remedies I had

suggested,

> > I

> > > had

> > > > > > > predicted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > possibility of marriage in Feb 2008 or in

2009.

> > > > > Actually,

> > > > > > > > > dasa-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > bhukti and transit influences are quite

tough

> > and

> > > > > > > > > contradictory

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this event and I had taken so many factors

and

> > > > > > > > > balanced/counter-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced so many possibilities and had

> > predicted

> > > the

> > > > > > > date as

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Benediction; let the marriage happen in Feb

> > > 2008! I

> > > > > had

> > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to the extent of suggesting attitude

> > modification

> > > > > (he may

> > > > > > > > > not get

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wife of his expectations) for the marriage

to

> > > > > happen; or

> > > > > > > > > else it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > might even be denied.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the member has been persisting about

> > > sharing the

> > > > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with him. I had given him broad hints about

> > why I

> > > > > though

> > > > > > > > > Paisacha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > baadha was there for him; but he insists

that I

> > > > > share the

> > > > > > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart and give the complete details to him,

or

> > > else

> > > > > I am

> > > > > > > > > unfair!

> > > > > > > > > > > My

> > > > > > > > > > > > > reservation regarding this is that prashna

is

> > an

> > > > > advanced

> > > > > > > > > > > > > application and sharing its techniques

offhand

> > > may be

> > > > > > > > > confusing

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > may lead the native into reading too much

into

> > > each

> > > > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and fear paisacha baadha when infact it

might

> > > not be

> > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > at all!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > He does not understand me and is getting at

me

> > > > > prompting

> > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > write

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mail after mail and I am at my patience's

end!

> > > If I

> > > > > spend

> > > > > > > > > > > pointless

> > > > > > > > > > > > > time debating like this with one person how

> > can I

> > > > > serve

> > > > > > > > > > > > > others.....Why does not this member

understand

> > > this?

> > > > > Not

> > > > > > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sensitive prashna charts is a hallowed

> > > > > tradition......Am

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > justified in my action when I have acted in

> > the

> > > best

> > > > > > > > > interests of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the member?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting the latest exchange between us

> > for

> > > your

> > > > > > > > > reference. I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > request those who are knowledgeable in

> > authentic

> > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > > > traditions

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to write to the member (He is the person

who is

> > > > > cutting

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > pasting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the Garga Hora in this list) telling him

that

> > I

> > > am

> > > > > > > justified

> > > > > > > > > in my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > stand, and I am doing it in the best

> > interests.

> > > He

> > > > > does

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the danger of maintaining the

> > prashna

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > indicating

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > paisacha baadha which is inauspicious! I am

> > > pained

> > > > > by his

> > > > > > > > > words

> > > > > > > > > > > > > like " Your are hiding something; hiding

things

> > is

> > > > > not a

> > > > > > > sign

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > fairness " etc. It is almost like accusing

me of

> > > > > being a

> > > > > > > > > cheat!

> > > > > > > > > > > Again

> > > > > > > > > > > > > he comment on my professionalism; I am

acting

> > as

> > > per

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > professional

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ethics; why is he - a novice imputing

motives

> > to

> > > me

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > commenting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > on my professionalism? Is this what an

> > astrologer

> > > > > gets

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > service?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Below is the extract....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > -----------

---

> > --

> > > ----

> > > > > ----

> > > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > -----

> > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith Mishra:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Unnecessary openness in the name of

frankness

> > is

> > > the

> > > > > > > bane of

> > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > society now-a-days. Will you go out in the

> > nude

> > > on

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > public

> > > > > > > > > > > roads

> > > > > > > > > > > > > just to prove you have nothing to hide?

Asking

> > > > > advanced

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > unique

> > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques of a practising

> > > professional

> > > > > > > > > persistently

> > > > > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > > > > after he has denied access to that knowledge

> > is

> > > very

> > > > > > > rude .

> > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > access to that knowledge was denied because

it

> > > can be

> > > > > > > > > > > misinterpreted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and if you post that " technique " in the VA

> > list,

> > > many

> > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > > > > > will get anxious (just as some members are

> > > wondering

> > > > > > > what is

> > > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with their horoscopes with the Garga Hora

> > > posting of

> > > > > > > yours!)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > What do I have to gain by withholding

> > > information? I

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > too

> > > > > > > > > > > > > advanced in my profession to be taking

advice

> > > from

> > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > regarding

> > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the professional way of handling my

> > > clients.

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic intentions, and your accusing me of

> > being

> > > > > unfair

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > rude

> > > > > > > > > > > (in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > fact each of your mails contains something

or

> > the

> > > > > other).

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I can assure you only one thing - I have

acted

> > > in the

> > > > > > > best of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > intentions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting this in the VA list so that

other

> > > > > learned

> > > > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > > > might

> > > > > > > > > > > > > put some wisdom into you (I have failed in

> > this

> > > with

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > repeated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > replies to you).

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " Lalit Mishra, Noida " mlalit@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Res. Pandit Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > On the one hand , I m thankful to you for

all

> > ur

> > > > > analysis

> > > > > > > > > and I

> > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > follow ur instructions but on the other I

must

> > > say

> > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > seem fair

> > > > > > > > > > > > > enough in ur professional approach.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hiding things is not a sign of fairness.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If I knew astrology, perhapse I w'd not have

> > > asked u

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > > > simple

> > > > > > > > > > > > > things or charts, required to keep in my

> > > records. My

> > > > > > > level

> > > > > > > > > is not

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > constraint for u to share important charts,

if

> > > > > tomorrow I

> > > > > > > > > need to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > contact u for sth, how I w'd do without any

> > > > > reference.

> > > > > > > If I

> > > > > > > > > ask

> > > > > > > > > > > u, u

> > > > > > > > > > > > > should not hold things at ur's end and u

don't

> > > gain

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > thing with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ur approach.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

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> > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

lalithji,

 

every astrologer has their point of view. if u dont think or dont

agree with wat dakshinamoortiji has said then dont follow it . u shud

be grateful tht he's guiding u free of cost. if u dont like it dont

follow it but no use abusing him this way in a public forum....he's a

gud astrologer and a kind person.

 

as for peeshacha badha if u want solution for it and not findig it go

visit some tantric they cud help u out and maybe tht wud convince u

too. getting angry on knowing abt ur past life things makes no sense

as u too dont know wat u did in ur previous life. as for astrologer 's

reading if an astrologer as told u everything correct or close to

accuracy abt this life then y on earth wud he lie abt ur past life.

its totally ur choice to believe it or not.

 

india is a free country and everyone has freedom of speech but tht

doesnt me u abuse someone especially a person who is tryin to help u out.

 

if u think it was private matters tht were mentioned on public forum

then in tht case u shud have kept the discussion in pvt mails itself

of course after seeking permission from him to discuss the issue u

were having in pvt.

 

as for astrology being accurate...its only 60% -80% correct as its a

cursed subject by parvati goddess. and most imp its ones karmas tht

change anything bad or gud in our future tht option is given by god to

us.

 

so kindly end this controversy here.

 

 

 

vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " <mohanraaam

wrote:

>

> Dear Lalith:

>

> If you apologize to me and to the group for having spoilt the

> atmosphere of this group, I will also do so. Otherwise, you are free

> to do what you feel like doing.

>

> Definitely if we meet in the court, I will tell about your " sani

> darshan " during cross-examination and have you put in the mental

> asylum for a mental status check!

>

> But, if you are prepared to leave it here....I will also leave it

> here! I want to end the controversy sincerely. Because, the name of

> the man whom I wanted to defend zealously is getting tarnished with

> each of your posts in your misunderstanding.

>

> Sumangali pooja is not done for ghosts; please try to understand

> that. There is no contradiction in Panditji's posts. He has asked

> you to pray to your ancestors to get protection from the ghostly

> disturbances in the family. At least this is my understanding of this.

> You can get clarification for this from Panditji directly.

>

> If you decide to leave this matter here, I will also leave it with no

> hard feelings. But, I am not afraid of your court proceedings, and

> will not apologize if you will not apologize.

>

> Mohanraaam.

>

> vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > You look quite Cunning, Clever and claim to be an Yogi !!

> >

> > A baised man, with handful knowledge, Why i should not take you

> to the

> > court , I seek a Sorry from you otherwise to give u a lsson, I will

> > lodge a case of defamation against you, next week i will lodge a

> case,

> > Now be ready to know and read ur own fate. See it in ur's prashna

> chart

> > or ur's horoscope. I had no issues with you, still, u tried to

> become

> > oversmart, So, u should get e lesson.

> >

> >

> > And see the contradiction in PanditJi's analysis -

> > He says two things, this is to me in my mails -

> >

> > " Though none of your ancestors died a premature death, there will

> > definitely be some lady ancestor who died even as her husband was

> alive

> > at least 4 generations back. They are venerated for

> auspiciousness.

> > You try to find out if someone was like that. If no one was like

> that,

> > even then the sumangali pooja can be done for your sister. This

> will

> > definitely help you "

> >

> > " Actually, when I said I will pray for you, I had this ghostly

> > disturbance in mind. I had already decided that I will what I can

> to

> > control that. But, as you might be aware, it is quite possible

> that the

> > entity may be more powerful than me, and might win the battle!

> That is

> > why I did not want to commit anything "

> >

> > And this is in the group -

> >

> > " Honestly, I did identify the Paisacha Baadha which has got to do

> > with his own maltreatment of his wife of earlier birth. That is why

> > I said it was karmic. If it is a simple ghostly visit, exorcism is

> > not difficult; but when his karma intervenes, we cannot help him

> > unless his attitude changes and he " accepts " he has possibly gone

> > wrong somewhere .... "

> >

> > Now, see, on the one hand " The lady spirit is my ancestor, and on

> the

> > other, my previsou birth's wife or someone related to my wife " .

> >

> > Open ur eyes, old man... ur ego wont help u and u wont win any

> respect

> > with ur cunningness.

> > Ur biased nature indicates faults in ur horoscope, Post ur

> horoscope in

> > the group, ur truth will come out in ur own way.

> >

> > This is the gist of ur's 86 years of life and yoga sadhana that u

> are

> > biased and cunning, political and clever in ur approach. cramming

> > shlokas wont help u in ur unethical behavior.

> >

> > U say, if i m craving for meeting or knowing a person, i have an

> affair,

> > now, i m craving to meet u, I have an affair with u, what a genius

> u r

> > !! great and if u dont say sorry, i will meet u in the court room.

> I can

> > firgive u if u confess ur biased attitude.

> >

> > ~Lalit.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer "

> > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Mohanraaamji:

> > >

> > > I will just represent these facts:

> > >

> > > 1) I did refuse to share my mobile no. with the member Lalith just

> > > as I do with everyone. I am always accessible by email; and email

> > > exchanges are convenient to me because I can answer them back as

> > > soon as I am free after a pooja session or counselling session.

> > > Getting a phone call in the midst of a pooja or a counselling

> > > disturbs me. Everyone who has moved with me knows that. Somehow

> > > Shri. Lalith got offended by that. I could not help it, and I

> don't

> > > intend to change my stance of not sharing mobile nos. with anyone.

> > > I DID REFUSE TO SHARE THE PRASHNA CHART WITH HIM FOR REASONS I

> HAVE

> > > STATED BEFORE AND WHICH RAFALJI HAS ALSO POINTED OUT CORRECTLY

> > >

> > > 2) I NEVER CLAIMED I AM A VVIP IN ANY OF MY MAILS TO HIM....He is

> > > probably exaggerating it in his anger. However, when he wrote

> > > lecturistic mails saying things like " You are unprofessional; you

> > > are hiding something, it is not fair " , etc. I did write " I am too

> > > senior to be taking advices from novices like you " . This is

> exactly

> > > (or something similar in meaning) what I wrote to him. You are

> right

> > > in saying that I would not have written like that... Thanks for

> your

> > > trust in me and my nature.

> > >

> > > 3) Honestly, I did identify the Paisacha Baadha which has got to

> do

> > > with his own maltreatment of his wife of earlier birth. That is

> why

> > > I said it was karmic. If it is a simple ghostly visit, exorcism is

> > > not difficult; but when his karma intervenes, we cannot help him

> > > unless his attitude changes and he " accepts " he has possibly gone

> > > wrong somewhere and that is the root of his frustration. Again, he

> > > is not able to digest that he will not get a wife according to his

> > > expectations. That was the real root of the problem. I had

> > > categorically told him that which is what prompted the frequent

> > > mails between us. CAN THE ASTROLOGER PLAY GOD AND SAY WHAT THE

> > > CLIENT WISHES TO HEAR? I do not believe in that. I am a human with

> > > normal human limitations, and I belive even remedies are only

> humble

> > > Mercy Petitions and it is up to Divine Providence to hear our

> pleas

> > > and consider our requests favourably.

> > >

> > > 4) I believe Fate is dynamic and remedies do have the potential to

> > > change Fate. It is customary of me to avoid predicting events for

> > > which I have given remedies for this simple reason.....Remedies

> are

> > > given ONLY when the astrologer sees something is wrong and there

> is

> > > some hope to redeem the situation. That being the case, if the

> > > client insists on a technically correct analysis at this point of

> > > time - then the prediction should necessarily be negative. But,

> > > then what about the remedies? If they succeed, the thing could

> > > change! Now, what can the astrologer say in this situation. So, my

> > > usual request to clients in such a situation is to perform the

> > > remedies and get back to me after certain period, and later check

> > > with a prashna to see if the remedies have infact produced any

> > > desirable alteration in Fate. Somehow, the member has

> misunderstood

> > > the dynamics of this and possibly even my motives.

> > >

> > > 5) He wrote to me yesterday apologizing for the bitter turn of

> > > events, and I have Blessed him and requested him to do the

> > > remedies. Even today, he asked for guidance about the sumangali

> > > pooja because it seems the Vedic Pandits in his areas did not

> about

> > > it. I have detailed the procedure to him. I wonder why he still

> > > harps on the matter sharing things uncharitably about me. I have

> > > been providing him support and guidance to the best of my

> abilities

> > > and if he still misunderstands me, I can't help it; nor do I have

> > > the time to brood on that.

> > >

> > > Please for the benefit of the forum, let us end this here.

> > >

> > > If Shri Lalith is not willing to end the matter, Mohanraaamji - I

> > > implore you ....you at least end this exchange with him.

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

> > > mohanraaam@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalith:

> > > >

> > > > Can you post in the forum Panditji's mail where you claim he has

> > > > written he is a VVIP? This must be a blatant lie. Pandit

> > > > Dakshinamoorthiji is not one to write like that! This is a

> > > blatant

> > > > lie! I am sure. If Panditji has really claimed he is a VVIP, I

> > > > will take back all that I have written to you.

> > > >

> > > > He has never given his phone no. to anyone in this list. So,

> what

> > > > special previlege do you think you have got you faggot? Does he

> > > not

> > > > have a right for his own privacy?

> > > >

> > > > What will happen to his sanity if he starts getting your idiotic

> > > > phone calls on top of your stupid mails?

> > > >

> > > > He would have repeatedly written to you only in reply. You would

> > > > have pestered him and he would have replied. You idiot have

> > > failed

> > > > to understand the decency of an astrologer when he has hinted at

> > > > your problems diplomatically, and now you claim " he changed

> lines "

> > > > as if he is a cheat!

> > > >

> > > > I do not know how long you are associated with this

> > > group.......Ask

> > > > any forum member here whether Panditji is a person who changes

> > > tack

> > > > like that. In fact he is one of the more honest astrologers who

> > > > admits that he has made a mistake if ever he has made one! But,

> > > you

> > > > are almost putting words into his mouth, and depicting as if he

> > > has

> > > > failed in his predictions.

> > > >

> > > > Truth to be told, Panditji would have felt no hope in your

> > > situation

> > > > unless you change yourself; and he would not have seen any

> > > > possibility for that also. Hence he would have been at a loss of

> > > > words as to what to do. Collaring an astrologer when he is

> trying

> > > > to soothen you with some hopeful predictions is really rude.

> > > >

> > > > Panditji is too senior and respected; otherwise, I would have

> > > > written to him directly regarding this matter and known what is

> > > all

> > > > this......But, believing an idiot like you and enquiring with a

> > > > senior astrologer is not possible.

> > > >

> > > > I again challenge you......show us the mail where Panditji

> claimed

> > > > hs is VVIP......You liar.....know whom you are accusing!

> > > >

> > > > Mohanraaam.-- In vedic astrology , " litsol "

> > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > What to say u old man, U have lost power to understand :

> > > > >

> > > > > I gave him my own resume, all my projects that i did, simply

> > > gave

> > > > him.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, I have all rights to call u " Idiot " . U r too full of

> > > > urself, A

> > > > > blind man with heap of false EGO,what happened to me, I shared

> > > > with u

> > > > > and all, still u see, i m telling lies, m criminal.

> Constantly u

> > > r

> > > > > advancing with ur poor logic and handful knowledge to blame me

> > > for

> > > > > everything.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, you are here to advocate pandit ji, I have not said a

> single

> > > > word

> > > > > against him and u are abusing me constantly, I have posted my

> > > birth

> > > > > details in the group: - 17 -08-1972, 08:15 PM at Rewa (M.P)

> and

> > > > sent to

> > > > > pandit ji, if u r using that to tell there is some debilitated

> > > > planet,

> > > > > not a strange for a man like u to play tricks.

> > > > >

> > > > > I purchased a service, didn't complain any thing to any one,

> > > just

> > > > asked

> > > > > a phone no. to remove my doubts, It was my fault coz the

> Pandit

> > > Ji

> > > > was

> > > > > VVIP, it is his right to not to give me his phone and i have

> no

> > > > rights.

> > > > > stop it and don't try to be smart. Ok, i still compromised and

> > > > became

> > > > > happy with the sound file, he sent to me after i informed him

> > > > about my

> > > > > difficulty on a portion of mantra. No problems, but i said,

> this

> > > > created

> > > > > a difference in between.

> > > > >

> > > > > I m still not saying what pandit ji saw and what he didnt, But

> > > he

> > > > mailed

> > > > > me constantly saying, it was my bad karma of previous birth,

> > > very

> > > > normal

> > > > > and very general, every second person w'd tell same, but when

> i

> > > > informed

> > > > > him about some spirit, he changed his line and said he has

> > > already

> > > > seen

> > > > > it, I agreed to this also, but i thought it's an important

> > > > information,

> > > > > better to keep it in the record, he denied to give this also,

> > > with

> > > > no

> > > > > reason. he said he wont give, still i was not complaining any

> > > > thing,

> > > > > just asked him once more for same prashna, he didn't tell any

> > > > reason and

> > > > > told that he is a VVIP, he wont give what he doesnt want. I

> > > didn't

> > > > > complain.

> > > > >

> > > > > And finally, He posted part of my mail to the group without

> > > > informing

> > > > > me, without seeking my consent and at the same time, he didnt

> > > > forget

> > > > > accusing me that i will disclose his precious techniques in

> the

> > > > group,

> > > > > mind u idiot, on the one hand he is doing same thing and on

> the

> > > > other he

> > > > > accused me saying - i may do it, and who did that - Pandit

> Ji ?

> > > > >

> > > > > And u are here to call me mad. U dont deserve any respect.

> There

> > > > is no

> > > > > value of ur Age and Experience, Yes, i should call u idiot.

> You

> > > > want to

> > > > > twist ethics , u cant. u want to use a handful knowledge to

> twist

> > > > > ethics, u cant.

> > > > >

> > > > > I said something in general about Vedanga, or Vedic Granthas,

> U

> > > > poker,

> > > > > entering into classification, definition.

> > > > >

> > > > > U want to challange me, for what ? instead of taking the

> > > challange

> > > > or

> > > > > trying to understand what i m saying, what i m sharing

> openly, u

> > > > keep

> > > > > abusing me.

> > > > >

> > > > > U put me a lot of pain and insult, I dont know if a handfull

> > > > knowledge

> > > > > makes a man like u, Can u tell me where is Priya and can u

> help

> > > me

> > > > > establish a contact with her, for what, i was craving whole

> > > year,

> > > > that u

> > > > > cant, u wont. coz u r fake.

> > > > >

> > > > > I cant write regards to u. Ok,

> > > > >

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

> > > <mohanraaam@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lalith:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have written " Panditji did not write about spirits but

> you

> > > > told

> > > > > > him.... " But from what he has posted, he had already found

> it

> > > out

> > > > > > and was not sharing it with you. He had suggested remedies

> > > > > > inclusive of that which is more important. A person of his

> > > > stature

> > > > > > need not try to " prove " his skills by giving shocking

> > > > predictions.

> > > > > > Experts of his calibre definitely are very subtle. In fact

> the

> > > > > > words " you have to balance your karma of previous lives "

> that

> > > you

> > > > > > claim he was harping on refers to this ghostly apparition.

> In

> > > > your

> > > > > > half-baked brain, it did not strike; that is all.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Again, you claim that you are " helping " nature; and see the

> > > > evidence

> > > > > > you give for that......you have given all the projects that

> > > you

> > > > did

> > > > > > under somebody's resume to " help " him. Legally, my friend,

> you

> > > > are

> > > > > > not a helper but a " CRIMINAL " . No wonder with all your lies

> you

> > > > > > cannot share positive vibes with Panditji who never tells

> lies!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You claim " shani " visited you; why don't you claim Lord

> Shiva

> > > > > > visited you! You are mad young man! If you had really had

> > > vision

> > > > > > of Lord Shani it would have been shown in the prashna chart

> > > that

> > > > you

> > > > > > are a Divine personality. You probably have debilitated

> > > planets

> > > > in

> > > > > > your 9th house. You have delusions of spirituality.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have written " You do not differentiate knowledge " ; but

> you

> > > > have

> > > > > > no rights to declassify what ancient people have classified

> > > with

> > > > a

> > > > > > purpose. Vedangas, shaastras, all might be one for you; but

> > > they

> > > > > > have differnet purposes. Do not try to sit in judgment over

> the

> > > > > > wisdom of the great Seers and Saints who did tapasya before

> > > > giving

> > > > > > those wonderful shastras to us.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have said you have learnt some vedas to search at your

> > > > Brahmin

> > > > > > roots. You have definitely not learnt under a competent

> person

> > > or

> > > > > > as usual, you have not imbibed the essence of the teachings

> > > well.

> > > > > > Vedas are oceanic and the little spec of knowledge you have

> in

> > > > that

> > > > > > does not qualify you to speak like this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Hitham poorva aachaarya vaakyena " means " welfare comes by

> > > > following

> > > > > > the words of ancient Masters " is a known Dharma shastraic

> > > > injunction.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You can research on things, you can analyze things with an

> open

> > > > > > mind; but do so with a reverential attitude and not with the

> > > > > > assumption " that in India they did not spread knowledge,

> etc. "

> > > > The

> > > > > > saints have purposefully hidden some powerful knowledge

> > > sources

> > > > so

> > > > > > that they are not misused by half-baked morons. You see,

> > > knowing

> > > > > > some part of vedas makes you think that you are qualified to

> > > > comment

> > > > > > on that.....it is precisely to avoid such calamities, that

> > > > ancients

> > > > > > hid powerful arts. Those arts in the hands of good persons

> can

> > > > > > benefit many, while they will become subjects of mockery in

> the

> > > > > > hands of those who do not appreciate their Divinity.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have written " My Ego has made me angry " ...what is there

> > > young

> > > > > > man? I got angry not because you attacked me or even

> Panditji;

> > > > but

> > > > > > because you have attacked this Divine Art and are

> remorseless.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please do not say that Shani spoke to you; you may be put

> into

> > > an

> > > > > > asylum for Paronia, Delusional Disorder, schizoid

> personality

> > > > > > disorder, etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I sincerely apologize to the list for having written such a

> > > > personal

> > > > > > mail in this list, but this man cannot go unchallenged after

> > > he

> > > > has

> > > > > > attempted to malign Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji - a noble soul

> > > who

> > > > is

> > > > > > the pride of this group, and who I am sure - is considered

> as a

> > > > > > Blessing to this group by many members. I have nothing

> > > personal

> > > > in

> > > > > > this. Even if this person had called me an " idiot " or even

> in

> > > > > > unparliamentary language, I would have forgiven him; but his

> > > > > > irreverential attitude towards astrology and Panditji has

> > > really

> > > > put

> > > > > > me off and prompted me in this exchange.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No matter what he writes, I will not reply henceforth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mohanraaam.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol "

> mishra.lalit@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam - Yogi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your are so angry, what causes anger, a hurt ego...

> nothing

> > > > else.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Even u have addressed your mail to Mr. Abhishek, while

> > > replying

> > > > > > to me.

> > > > > > > Pls. cool down.

> > > > > > > I have told u about " P - Priya and Preeti ... " .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The first half part of ur findings is true, how much

> true, I

> > > > will

> > > > > > tell u

> > > > > > > - " I knew two girls, whose name begins with 'P', one is

> > > Preeti

> > > > and

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > is Priya " . right, I m not like u, i mean, a man who is

> > > caught

> > > > up

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > abundance of EGO, have confidence to accept the truth upto

> > > > where

> > > > > > it is

> > > > > > > true.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Preeti is a Biotech student and she contacted me after she

> > > saw

> > > > my

> > > > > > > profile in the net, She is taller than me and 9 yrs

> younger

> > > to

> > > > me,

> > > > > > > still, wanted to proceed towards marriage, I thought this

> > > may

> > > > look

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > today but tomorrow may not, I asked her to not to contact

> me

> > > > as i

> > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > think good prospects of togatherness, off cource, she w'd

> > > have

> > > > > > > discussed it in my home town, Rewa is not a big place and

> we

> > > > all

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > brahmins, so things gets spread, the communication was

> > > throuh

> > > > net

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > few times through phone, pls. mind it, i have not seen her

> > > > > > physically.

> > > > > > > never met her physically. So, ur prashan chart skills need

> > > to

> > > > ne

> > > > > > > refined, the basic is good, after a point and the

> > > interprition

> > > > > > that u do

> > > > > > > is misleading. Ok.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Next is Priya, I liked this girl more, and felt bad about

> > > her,

> > > > she

> > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > kind of girl, misguided by the peers and this age.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I never met her also, try to check in ur's prashna chart,

> She

> > > > > > again met

> > > > > > > me through Net, She gave her false introduction like She

> is a

> > > > > > Software

> > > > > > > Engineer, working with Mphasis, Bombay and about to visit

> > > > Germany,

> > > > > > All

> > > > > > > was wrong. She had a boy friend, once she refered to me

> and

> > > > then a

> > > > > > > deviation came in her behaviro, As per priya he already

> > > > proposed

> > > > > > her,

> > > > > > > but some disturbance between them came, He didn't belong

> to

> > > a

> > > > good

> > > > > > > family and of cheep type guy.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I was worried for her, I never wanted her to spoil her

> life

> > > > with

> > > > > > a such

> > > > > > > type of guy, I tried to convince about the meaning of life

> > > and

> > > > > > values of

> > > > > > > our culture, She felt bad, and got angry, Once what

> happened

> > > > and

> > > > > > still

> > > > > > > unbelievable to me, let me put here, During my daily

> puja, I

> > > > saw

> > > > > > Shani

> > > > > > > is coming to me and has occupied me, I have got divine

> > > > protection

> > > > > > form

> > > > > > > lord Hanuman Ji, still, i could not call him for help,

> what i

> > > > > > could do

> > > > > > > and i had no idea about a learned siddha, what happens is,

> > > in a

> > > > > > minute

> > > > > > > My frined Nirmesh called me from mumbai.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My friend Nirmesh is a Sr, HR Manager with Reliance

> Retail,

> > > he

> > > > was

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > his girl friend, in fact i played a role in reconcilation

> of

> > > > > > disturbance

> > > > > > > between them so they were calling me, As Priya told to me,

> > > she

> > > > > > lives in

> > > > > > > Bombay, I missed her, and thought to contact her, I

> wanted to

> > > > > > write a

> > > > > > > mail about me , a mail with all my emotions but here

> Saturn

> > > > Played

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > role and in place of sending that emotionl mail to Priya,

> I

> > > > happen

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > post that mail in a , she and me both were

> > > members,

> > > > I

> > > > > > > created that group to promote youngersters of my region in

> > > > software

> > > > > > > industry, and my own personal mail was posted in the

> group,

> > > My

> > > > own

> > > > > > > mistake, Pls. check, if u are referring to this incident.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > She became so angry on me, but what i could do, all was my

> > > > mistake

> > > > > > and i

> > > > > > > lost her, I w'd like to tell u more, A friend of me was

> > > > jobless, I

> > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > him my own CV to put his name on the CV with all my

> projects

> > > > in his

> > > > > > > name, Pls check in ur's prashna chart. How i help people.

> > > Next

> > > > day

> > > > > > > after this incident, His birthday came, And the Priya

> > > addressed

> > > > > > him with

> > > > > > > so much of respect, The guy, in place of showing a respect

> > > > towards

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > for my help, commented on me, A cunning man, I dont know

> he

> > > and

> > > > > > many

> > > > > > > others have contributed more in widening the gap in

> between

> > > me

> > > > and

> > > > > > > Priya. I dont know if he is still in touch with her, or

> all

> > > was

> > > > > > planned

> > > > > > > by them togather. I dont know anything.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I still dont know who this Priya was and where she lives

> in,

> > > If

> > > > > > she is a

> > > > > > > girl or a game of those guys who wanted me to look down in

> > > that

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Group. coz, when i started searching her, what i found

> is, in

> > > > > > mphasis

> > > > > > > there is only one Priya Tiwari, who works with a BPO, she

> > > was

> > > > not

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > Software Engineer and she never lived in Bombay, She was

> in

> > > > Noida

> > > > > > > itself. For ur satisfaction, I can post my mails to HR

> > > > department

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > Mphasis.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I dont know what happend to her, This BPO priya, i also

> have

> > > > not

> > > > > > met

> > > > > > > her, looks different than the other Priya whom i was

> > > searching.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So, Dear old friend, Check ur Prashna Chart skills more

> and

> > > > more,

> > > > > > Baiscs

> > > > > > > are correct, ur interpretition is quite wrong and u have

> not

> > > > got

> > > > > > enough

> > > > > > > experience in life to judge me and realities.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > whatever be is Vedanga or Shastra, I wanted to let u know

> > > every

> > > > > > bit of

> > > > > > > knowledge is divine and pavitra. Leave the arrogance and

> > > start

> > > > > > doing

> > > > > > > preperation for ur journey that u have to do in near

> future.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If any one in the Group, can give light on this Priya's

> > > case,

> > > > coz

> > > > > > i had

> > > > > > > soft feelings for her despite all her lies, I w'd be

> grateful

> > > > > > otherwise

> > > > > > > it's OK. Can u tell me how and where she is and if she

> really

> > > > > > exists,

> > > > > > > and if any occult people can help me in establishing a

> > > contact

> > > > > > with her

> > > > > > > if she really exists w'd be good for me. I w'd pay

> whatever u

> > > > > > demand.

> > > > > > > Will any one take the challange ? i wont ask u what u cant

> > > do,

> > > > I

> > > > > > > promise.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I didn't tell about Preeti and Priya to Pandit ji it was

> not

> > > > > > necessary,

> > > > > > > better if he w'd have told me sth about them, but Pandit

> Ji

> > > all

> > > > > > the time

> > > > > > > kept telling me about my Karmic Balance of the previous

> > > birth,

> > > > It

> > > > > > was me

> > > > > > > who gave him hints abot the spirit, Not he, he didnt tell

> me

> > > > any

> > > > > > thing

> > > > > > > about the spirit and when i told him about the spirti's

> > > > storey, he

> > > > > > said

> > > > > > > he has seen it Prashan chart, tell me where i was wrong, I

> > > > asked

> > > > > > him to

> > > > > > > give me Prashan Chart, he denied.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear old friend, why u could not see in ur's prashna chart

> > > the

> > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > who got me occupied me during my Puja, I was not

> sleeping, I

> > > > saw

> > > > > > him

> > > > > > > with open eyes.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pls. check ur's prashna chart and I w'd request Mr. Rafal

> to

> > > > > > interefere

> > > > > > > and tell me about Priya, coz, i m having some pain, I dont

> > > know

> > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > , any truth of Priya Tiwari. I have her photograpgh that

> she

> > > > sent

> > > > > > to me

> > > > > > > which differs from the Priya whom i discovered in mphasis.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Will any one come to help me ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

> > > > <mohanraaam@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Abhishek:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Know the difference between shastraas and the

> > > > vedaangas.....you

> > > > > > > > think an astrologer and a yogi like me would not have

> > > known

> > > > all

> > > > > > > > these! siksha, kalpam, chandas, mimamsa,nruktam and

> > > Jyotisam

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > the vedangas. Don't confuse the 18 shastras or the 64

> > > mighty

> > > > arts

> > > > > > > > with vedanga. You are shallow young man but are trying

> to

> > > > pass

> > > > > > > > judgments on great branches of knowledge and great

> persons

> > > of

> > > > > > > > knowledge. I am 86 years old and have lived a full life

> > > with

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > happy wife and 4 intelligent, well-settled children.

> Not a

> > > > > > > > frustrated unmarried luckless youngman like you!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Whatever you said to Panditji...I do not know because he

> > > has

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > divulged the complete exchange inthe forum...I think he

> > > > should

> > > > > > > > probably do that to expose your arrogance and idiocy

> > > levels

> > > > to

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > group......

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You may say that you did not have affairs - then what do

> > > you

> > > > > > tell of

> > > > > > > > a thing when you go after ladies and get heart-broken

> when

> > > > they

> > > > > > > > reject your proposal? You could not proceed to the level

> > > of a

> > > > > > > > mutual affair because they did not entertain you at all!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You have not commented on my finding about Priya/

> > > > preeti.....I am

> > > > > > > > sure it is correct! And definitely your failures in this

> > > > regard

> > > > > > > > would have been a butt of jokes in your circle. I can

> bet

> > > on

> > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > But definitely you will come out with your own versions

> to

> > > > deny

> > > > > > this.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Did you tell all this to Guruji? I am sure you would not

> > > have

> > > > > > > > shared it in this light - but mark my words, he would

> have

> > > > found

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > out definitely! Only thing is - he is too decent to hurt

> > > > others

> > > > > > > > unnecessarily.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Your posts are not clear....you are saying this and that

> > > > without

> > > > > > > > actually commenting on what others have written. Don't

> pass

> > > > > > > > judgement on astrology or its efficacy.Astrology is a

> basic

> > > > > > > > technique that one learns before predicting - but

> advanced

> > > > > > > > astrologers read far more into charts than what they

> > > indicate

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > conventional astrological classics - it is an applied

> > > field

> > > > and

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > horoscope is just a focus and an accessory tool for

> > > > prediction in

> > > > > > > > the hands of the greatest masters of this field.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Definitely you are not one to comment on the need of

> > > > astrological

> > > > > > > > research without knowing the basic vedic etiquettes of

> > > > behaving

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > learned astrologers!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Definitely Guruji's wise counsel have been useless to

> you -

> > > a

> > > > > > > > buffalo will cherish only the muddy waters - will it

> know

> > > the

> > > > > > > > differnece between Ganges and the gutter?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > One suggestion young man - try to go into Guruji's mails

> > > > > > carefully

> > > > > > > > and quietly. His words are worth their weight in gold

> > > > usually.

> > > > > > > > Many have benefitted by his counsel - do not try to look

> > > > > > for " your

> > > > > > > > own version of truths " from his writings. If you do

> that,

> > > it

> > > > is a

> > > > > > > > waste of whatever money you paid Panditji. Understand

> his

> > > > > > counsel,

> > > > > > > > try to follow them, and you will do fine. But, stop

> > > > insulting and

> > > > > > > > passing unnecessary remarks on astrology and need for

> > > > > > astrological

> > > > > > > > development. Some self-seeking astrologers -

> capitalizing

> > > on

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > craze of Indian public for " scientific "

> research, " modern

> > > > > > research

> > > > > > > > into old classics " etc, have written volumes about the

> > > need

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > evolution of astrology whereas the reality is those who

> > > > follow

> > > > > > > > ancient classical wisdom have proved more efficient in

> all

> > > > these

> > > > > > > > predictive techniques than those " researchers " .

> Parampara

> > > > has its

> > > > > > > > own significance. You still eat through your mouth

> though

> > > > times

> > > > > > > > have changed (I am assuming here; or are you eating

> > > through

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > other end for novelty sake?). In the same way, nature

> has

> > > not

> > > > > > > > changed only certain outer manifestations have changed.

> > > Only

> > > > > > minor

> > > > > > > > modification of interpretaions are needed to suit

> > > > predictions to

> > > > > > > > modern day life and definitely there are not much gaps.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mohanraaam.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol "

> > > > mishra.lalit@

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I cant say u " Idiot " and wont speak to u using level

> of

> > > > ur's

> > > > > > > > language,

> > > > > > > > > ok, Pls. check ur's Prashna Skills 100 times and

> > > discover

> > > > more

> > > > > > > > about me.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And my love affairs, I had no affair with any one,

> > > right,

> > > > check

> > > > > > > > it in

> > > > > > > > > ur Prashan Chart, however, when marriage came in my

> > > mind, i

> > > > > > came in

> > > > > > > > > touch with girls, liked two or three of them, ok, they

> > > > didn't

> > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > me,

> > > > > > > > > It happens. It was me who beforehand informed

> Panditji as

> > > > > > inputs

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > required to reach somewhere.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > See, i can say, the basic finding of ur prashan chart

> > > like

> > > > > > break

> > > > > > > > ups is

> > > > > > > > > true, but is little it misleading too, as no brak up

> in

> > > > sense

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > break-up happened as no affiar even started,

> sometimes, u

> > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > careful more in reaching ur conclusions, that's why i

> > > say,

> > > > more

> > > > > > > > and more

> > > > > > > > > remains to discover, It's - " Apaurusheya "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Well, can u tell, in the storey, u posted in group,

> > > where

> > > > is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > " P-Priya, Preti etc.. " ? I will be more than happy to

> > > see

> > > > ur

> > > > > > > > findings,

> > > > > > > > > What Guruji said was completely different from u, I

> > > > discussed

> > > > > > > > with him

> > > > > > > > > why i dont get proposals from girls even having

> average

> > > > looks,

> > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > to me, You change utr attitude and consider such

> > > > proposals, i

> > > > > > > > further

> > > > > > > > > asked him is it a big expectation to find a nice sweet

> > > > person,

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > > > think a model or actress but a girl with little good

> > > looks

> > > > and

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > nature, even it is difficult, if it is difficult, i

> was

> > > > asking

> > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > describing him about me, my needs, my thoughts.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > and on what u did write - " And your posts about

> > > astrology

> > > > in

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > arguments with Shri. Abhishek also clearly protray

> your

> > > > idiocy!

> > > > > > > > You are

> > > > > > > > > asking why Astrology

> > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other

> things?

> > > > > > Idiot -

> > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas

> and

> > > not

> > > > > > > > > Engineering......You do not know all this

> > > classifications

> > > > and

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to

> comment

> > > on

> > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pls study " Shulb Sutras " ok, U will find, Engineering

> is

> > > > there,

> > > > > > > > > Mathmatics is there, Ayourveda as medical science is

> > > there.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You are showing u r too full of urself, somtimes it

> > > > happens to

> > > > > > few

> > > > > > > > > people.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

> > > > > > <mohanraaam@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You " demanded " Panditji's phone no. and he

> > > refused....you

> > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > has no right to do that? It is his privacy...when

> you

> > > > have

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > pestering him over email how much more irresponsible

> > > you

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > been if he had given his phone no.? You think

> Panditji

> > > > has

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > spend on worthless brats like you who think the

> world

> > > is

> > > > > > > > revolving

> > > > > > > > > > around them? He has sent you an audio recording of

> the

> > > > > > mantra -

> > > > > > > > > > what else you need to know? Is the Great Man your

> > > slave

> > > > or

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > that you can demand everything that you want from

> him?

> > > > He is

> > > > > > too

> > > > > > > > > > proud for that!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You have no right to expect anything except service

> > > for

> > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > payment - assuming you have made some payment to

> > > Guruji!

> > > > Do

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > think you have bought him just because you asked his

> > > > > > service? I

> > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > sure you would have written something silly like

> this

> > > > (your

> > > > > > > > current

> > > > > > > > > > post is in itself silly) that annoyed Panditji! You

> > > say

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > matter

> > > > > > > > > > is over - but you keep on saying things as if

> Panditji

> > > > has

> > > > > > done a

> > > > > > > > > > mistake and you are justified.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > And your posts about astrology in your arguments

> with

> > > > Shri.

> > > > > > > > Abhishek

> > > > > > > > > > also clearly protray your idiocy! You are asking why

> > > > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other

> > > things?

> > > > > > Idiot -

> > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas

> > > and

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > Engineering......You do not know all this

> > > classifications

> > > > > > and are

> > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to

> > > comment

> > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I just checked up a prashna chart to see what sort

> of

> > > > person

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > are.....From this, try to understand what all

> > > astrology

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > capable

> > > > > > > > > > of.....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Last year you would have proposed to a Lady - and

> your

> > > > > > failure

> > > > > > > > was a

> > > > > > > > > > widely circulated joke in your social circle.....is

> it

> > > > true

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > not?

> > > > > > > > > > Just understand - people have made fun of you only

> > > > because of

> > > > > > > > > > your " loser " attitude. You are childish in your

> > > attitude;

> > > > > > this is

> > > > > > > > > > one reason why women in your life are running away

> > > from

> > > > you.

> > > > > > > > Guruji

> > > > > > > > > > has just hinted on love failures in his post - but

> my

> > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > > clearly indicates they have rejected you outright

> after

> > > > > > initial

> > > > > > > > > > interactions with you because you have

> been " chasing "

> > > > them

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > troubling them with undiplomatic messages

> > > persistently.

> > > > Your

> > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > serious connection when the lady rejected your

> > > proposal -

> > > > her

> > > > > > > > name

> > > > > > > > > > is likely to be in the " pa " varga (preeti, Priya,

> etc.

> > > > any of

> > > > > > > > these -

> > > > > > > > > > you may think I have not found the right name - but

> > > > knowing

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > initial word of a person about whom I know nothing

> is

> > > in

> > > > > > itself

> > > > > > > > > > difficult - and no amount of research in scientific

> > > > > > astrology can

> > > > > > > > > > give the exact name! Don't think your " researches "

> will

> > > > > > > > > > automatically pave the way to find the name and

> glorify

> > > > > > > > astrology -

> > > > > > > > > > because that is not possible!)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Now do you understand what an astrologer is capable

> of!

> > > > > > Guruji is

> > > > > > > > > > too decent to insult you by writing like this -

> > > > definitely he

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > have found out all these. He would have counselled

> you

> > > > about

> > > > > > > > change

> > > > > > > > > > of attitude mainly regarding this....you would not

> > > have

> > > > got

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > hint. Yet in message after message you are

> justifying

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > > projecting as if your grievance is genuine.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Heights of arrogance - thinking you have the right

> to

> > > > > > disturb a

> > > > > > > > > > learned senior astrologer as and when you want! I am

> > > > > > associated

> > > > > > > > > > with Panditji for so long and yet I do not have his

> > > > mobile

> > > > > > no. do

> > > > > > > > > > you know that? He has email id and he is very prompt

> > > in

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > replies

> > > > > > > > > > through that. Do you know anything of that great man

> > > or

> > > > his

> > > > > > daily

> > > > > > > > > > schedules? He has not merely one client like you -

> but

> > > > > > thosands

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > admirers, students, disciples, and clients all over

> the

> > > > > > world. If

> > > > > > > > > > all start calling Guruji will he ever have time for

> > > > himself?

> > > > > > That

> > > > > > > > > > is why he is not giving the mobile. Your post speaks

> > > as

> > > > if

> > > > > > he is

> > > > > > > > > > hiding himself.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It is probably his mistake that he is helping out

> > > people

> > > > like

> > > > > > > > you -

> > > > > > > > > > the great man does not differentiate much and tries

> to

> > > > help

> > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > suffering people even if they are undeserving.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Try to change your attitude for your own good.

> Improve

> > > > > > yourself

> > > > > > > > > > before trying to comment on great fields like

> > > astrology,

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > you do not know even a speck. There are no gaps in

> > > > > > astrological

> > > > > > > > > > knowledge. Enough knowledge has been documented as

> > > Shri.

> > > > > > Potti

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > written in his post.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > .vedic astrology , " litsol "

> > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear primusjyotish,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You are right, in fact differences begane, when i

> > > asked

> > > > > > Pandit

> > > > > > > > Ji's

> > > > > > > > > > > phone nos to communicate to him, he refused to

> give

> > > his

> > > > > > nos, I

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > surprised, being a client, paying for the

> > > consultation

> > > > a

> > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > communication is required, so at least a

> > > communication

> > > > over

> > > > > > > > phone

> > > > > > > > > > > should happen, It was refused, he recommened a

> > > mantra,

> > > > i

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > on it's pronunciation, the rerequest to tell right

> > > > > > > > pronunciation

> > > > > > > > > > over

> > > > > > > > > > > phone was also refused, then a copy of charts made

> > > was

> > > > > > refused.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I didnt come to group for so many refusals.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > And there were two contradictory explanations ,

> the

> > > > timing

> > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > very wide for an event - one year and it was said

> > > that

> > > > it's

> > > > > > > > > > conditional

> > > > > > > > > > > too, I was not understanding what to conclude and

> > > then

> > > > > > pandit

> > > > > > > > Ji

> > > > > > > > > > posted

> > > > > > > > > > > my private communication partly in the group.

> Later,

> > > > > > pandit ji

> > > > > > > > > > provided

> > > > > > > > > > > me sound files of the mantras, ok, my confusion on

> > > > > > > > pronunciation

> > > > > > > > > > > removed.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Now, it is over, and i dont want to discuss it

> > > further.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Jyotish

> > > > > > Volunteers "

> > > > > > > > > > > <primusjyotishi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > One would not consult a doctor for his physical

> > > > ailments

> > > > > > or a

> > > > > > > > > > > > psychiatrist for his mental ailments through

> > > > internet.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this is why many like Sri K.N. Rao

> strongly

> > > > > > recommend

> > > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > > seeking solutions to serious matters via

> internet

> > > > and to

> > > > > > use

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > tested procedure of face-to-face, in-person

> > > > consultation.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Convenience gets in the way and causes more pain

> > > > > > ultimately,

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > need to get the answer here and now,

> > > > unfortunately ...

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol "

> > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I bought a service and had a private

> > > communication,

> > > > > > it's at

> > > > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > > sight

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong for u to post any part of private

> > > > communication

> > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > consent.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > U cant imagine anything solely at ur end, if i

> > > > myself

> > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > u

> > > > > > > > > > hints

> > > > > > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > possible obstacle due to spirit, how i m going

> > > to

> > > > fear

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > thing

> > > > > > > > > > > > or the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > other. This should not be basis of not

> providing

> > > > > > > > infomation.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You are at advanced level, which is realized

> by

> > > > many

> > > > > > that's

> > > > > > > > > > why u

> > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > being contacted, but that u r into deciding

> > > > everything

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > profession one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sided, can not be justified.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Though, i wanted chart for keeping in my

> > > records,

> > > > with

> > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > doubts on

> > > > > > > > > > > > u,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ur apporach makes me think otherwise.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In any profession, transparency is key to gain

> > > > one's

> > > > > > faith

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > that u

> > > > > > > > > > > > > didn't bother this, on the basis of ur

> advanced

> > > > level u

> > > > > > > > pls.

> > > > > > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > > > > > > > justify what is incorrect, it's a pity that u

> > > make

> > > > ur

> > > > > > mood

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > post

> > > > > > > > > > > > > private communication and at the same time,

> in ur

> > > > > > reply to

> > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > private

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mail id, u accused me that i can post ur

> advanced

> > > > > > > > technique in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > group, I dont know how to react.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a clear contradiction, I was interested

> > > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > final

> > > > > > > > > > outcome

> > > > > > > > > > > > > which is chart, i should know that, and not in

> > > ur's

> > > > > > > > technique

> > > > > > > > > > but u

> > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > made it a public issue instread of giving same

> > > to

> > > > me.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Why development of ancient knowledge has come

> to

> > > an

> > > > > > end is

> > > > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this fear which i dont know why some

> knowledgable

> > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > like u

> > > > > > > > > > > > > insttalled within.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish to assure u that ur respect is no way

> > > > > > corroborated

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > intact in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > my views, i m also thankful to u for the

> > > remedies

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > mantras u

> > > > > > > > > > > > provided

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, even if that dont work, i will have

> same

> > > > respect

> > > > > > > > for u

> > > > > > > > > > but u

> > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > completely wrong at ur part in ur dealings.

> Pls.

> > > > check

> > > > > > ur

> > > > > > > > > > dasha and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > antardasha, something wrong somewhere.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic-

> > > > > > astrology , " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting an extract of the interaction

> > > > between

> > > > > > myself

> > > > > > > > > > and one

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this list members who wanted a prediction

> from

> > > > me. I

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > counselling based on his horoscope and also

> > > > based on

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. Marital chart showed marital delays

> and

> > > > > > problem

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > love

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters which he has already experienced.

> The

> > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > showed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the possibility of " Paisacha baadha "

> (trouble

> > > > due to

> > > > > > > > ghostly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > entities that block happiness in the

> family).

> > > I

> > > > had

> > > > > > taken

> > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter into account and not wanting to scare

> > > the

> > > > > > member

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily, I had not divulged the matter

> > > to

> > > > him.

> > > > > > > > > > Instead, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested beeja mantras to counteract that

> > > > effect and

> > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested " Sumangali Pooja " to be performed.

> > > He

> > > > later

> > > > > > > > came

> > > > > > > > > > back to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > me and asked about the ghostly events

> himself

> > > > > > because his

> > > > > > > > > > family

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > members have had visitations from that

> entity.

> > > I

> > > > > > replied

> > > > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying that I have already taken that factor

> > > into

> > > > > > account

> > > > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving my suggestions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The prashna chart showed that the entity is

> > > > likely to

> > > > > > > > leave

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earth Plane by this year end and so it

> cannot

> > > > trouble

> > > > > > > > him any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer. So, based on that and also based on

> his

> > > > > > > > horoscope,

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > having faith in the remedies I had

> suggested,

> > > I

> > > > had

> > > > > > > > predicted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > possibility of marriage in Feb 2008 or in

> 2009.

> > > > > > Actually,

> > > > > > > > > > dasa-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhukti and transit influences are quite

> tough

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > > contradictory

> > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this event and I had taken so many factors

> and

> > > > > > > > > > balanced/counter-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced so many possibilities and had

> > > predicted

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > date as

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Benediction; let the marriage happen in Feb

> > > > 2008! I

> > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the extent of suggesting attitude

> > > modification

> > > > > > (he may

> > > > > > > > > > not get

> > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wife of his expectations) for the marriage

> to

> > > > > > happen; or

> > > > > > > > > > else it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > might even be denied.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the member has been persisting about

> > > > sharing the

> > > > > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with him. I had given him broad hints about

> > > why I

> > > > > > though

> > > > > > > > > > Paisacha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > baadha was there for him; but he insists

> that I

> > > > > > share the

> > > > > > > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart and give the complete details to him,

> or

> > > > else

> > > > > > I am

> > > > > > > > > > unfair!

> > > > > > > > > > > > My

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > reservation regarding this is that prashna

> is

> > > an

> > > > > > advanced

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > application and sharing its techniques

> offhand

> > > > may be

> > > > > > > > > > confusing

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > may lead the native into reading too much

> into

> > > > each

> > > > > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and fear paisacha baadha when infact it

> might

> > > > not be

> > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > at all!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > He does not understand me and is getting at

> me

> > > > > > prompting

> > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > write

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail after mail and I am at my patience's

> end!

> > > > If I

> > > > > > spend

> > > > > > > > > > > > pointless

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > time debating like this with one person how

> > > can I

> > > > > > serve

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > others.....Why does not this member

> understand

> > > > this?

> > > > > > Not

> > > > > > > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sensitive prashna charts is a hallowed

> > > > > > tradition......Am

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > justified in my action when I have acted in

> > > the

> > > > best

> > > > > > > > > > interests of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the member?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting the latest exchange between us

> > > for

> > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > reference. I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > request those who are knowledgeable in

> > > authentic

> > > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > > > > traditions

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to write to the member (He is the person

> who is

> > > > > > cutting

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > pasting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Garga Hora in this list) telling him

> that

> > > I

> > > > am

> > > > > > > > justified

> > > > > > > > > > in my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand, and I am doing it in the best

> > > interests.

> > > > He

> > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the danger of maintaining the

> > > prashna

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > indicating

> > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > paisacha baadha which is inauspicious! I am

> > > > pained

> > > > > > by his

> > > > > > > > > > words

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > like " Your are hiding something; hiding

> things

> > > is

> > > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > sign

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fairness " etc. It is almost like accusing

> me of

> > > > > > being a

> > > > > > > > > > cheat!

> > > > > > > > > > > > Again

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > he comment on my professionalism; I am

> acting

> > > as

> > > > per

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > professional

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ethics; why is he - a novice imputing

> motives

> > > to

> > > > me

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > commenting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > on my professionalism? Is this what an

> > > astrologer

> > > > > > gets

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > service?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Below is the extract....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----------

> ---

> > > --

> > > > ----

> > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > > -----

> > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith Mishra:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unnecessary openness in the name of

> frankness

> > > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > bane of

> > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > society now-a-days. Will you go out in the

> > > nude

> > > > on

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > public

> > > > > > > > > > > > roads

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > just to prove you have nothing to hide?

> Asking

> > > > > > advanced

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > unique

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques of a practising

> > > > professional

> > > > > > > > > > persistently

> > > > > > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > after he has denied access to that knowledge

> > > is

> > > > very

> > > > > > > > rude .

> > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > access to that knowledge was denied because

> it

> > > > can be

> > > > > > > > > > > > misinterpreted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if you post that " technique " in the VA

> > > list,

> > > > many

> > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > will get anxious (just as some members are

> > > > wondering

> > > > > > > > what is

> > > > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with their horoscopes with the Garga Hora

> > > > posting of

> > > > > > > > yours!)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do I have to gain by withholding

> > > > information? I

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > too

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > advanced in my profession to be taking

> advice

> > > > from

> > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > > regarding

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the professional way of handling my

> > > > clients.

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic intentions, and your accusing me of

> > > being

> > > > > > unfair

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > rude

> > > > > > > > > > > > (in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact each of your mails contains something

> or

> > > the

> > > > > > other).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can assure you only one thing - I have

> acted

> > > > in the

> > > > > > > > best of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > intentions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting this in the VA list so that

> other

> > > > > > learned

> > > > > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > > > > might

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > put some wisdom into you (I have failed in

> > > this

> > > > with

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > repeated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > replies to you).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Lalit Mishra, Noida " mlalit@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res. Pandit Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the one hand , I m thankful to you for

> all

> > > ur

> > > > > > analysis

> > > > > > > > > > and I

> > > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow ur instructions but on the other I

> must

> > > > say

> > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > > seem fair

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough in ur professional approach.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hiding things is not a sign of fairness.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I knew astrology, perhapse I w'd not have

> > > > asked u

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > > > > simple

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > things or charts, required to keep in my

> > > > records. My

> > > > > > > > level

> > > > > > > > > > is not

> > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > constraint for u to share important charts,

> if

> > > > > > tomorrow I

> > > > > > > > > > need to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > contact u for sth, how I w'd do without any

> > > > > > reference.

> > > > > > > > If I

> > > > > > > > > > ask

> > > > > > > > > > > > u, u

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should not hold things at ur's end and u

> don't

> > > > gain

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > thing with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur approach.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> ===================================================================

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Egoistic Man,

 

Come to the court and apologise.

 

What i felt i said, and who u were to write anthing to me ?

 

Who u r to be judgemental

 

let me consult with some lawyer, what u have not learnt in ur life so

far, u will learn now.

 

~Lalit.

 

 

vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " <mohanraaam

wrote:

>

> Dear Lalith:

>

> If you apologize to me and to the group for having spoilt the

> atmosphere of this group, I will also do so. Otherwise, you are

free

> to do what you feel like doing.

>

> Definitely if we meet in the court, I will tell about your " sani

> darshan " during cross-examination and have you put in the mental

> asylum for a mental status check!

>

> But, if you are prepared to leave it here....I will also leave it

> here! I want to end the controversy sincerely. Because, the name

of

> the man whom I wanted to defend zealously is getting tarnished with

> each of your posts in your misunderstanding.

>

> Sumangali pooja is not done for ghosts; please try to understand

> that. There is no contradiction in Panditji's posts. He has asked

> you to pray to your ancestors to get protection from the ghostly

> disturbances in the family. At least this is my understanding of

this.

> You can get clarification for this from Panditji directly.

>

> If you decide to leave this matter here, I will also leave it with

no

> hard feelings. But, I am not afraid of your court proceedings,

and

> will not apologize if you will not apologize.

>

> Mohanraaam.

>

> vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > You look quite Cunning, Clever and claim to be an Yogi !!

> >

> > A baised man, with handful knowledge, Why i should not take you

> to the

> > court , I seek a Sorry from you otherwise to give u a lsson, I

will

> > lodge a case of defamation against you, next week i will lodge a

> case,

> > Now be ready to know and read ur own fate. See it in ur's prashna

> chart

> > or ur's horoscope. I had no issues with you, still, u tried to

> become

> > oversmart, So, u should get e lesson.

> >

> >

> > And see the contradiction in PanditJi's analysis -

> > He says two things, this is to me in my mails -

> >

> > " Though none of your ancestors died a premature death, there will

> > definitely be some lady ancestor who died even as her husband was

> alive

> > at least 4 generations back. They are venerated for

> auspiciousness.

> > You try to find out if someone was like that. If no one was like

> that,

> > even then the sumangali pooja can be done for your sister. This

> will

> > definitely help you "

> >

> > " Actually, when I said I will pray for you, I had this ghostly

> > disturbance in mind. I had already decided that I will what I

can

> to

> > control that. But, as you might be aware, it is quite possible

> that the

> > entity may be more powerful than me, and might win the battle!

> That is

> > why I did not want to commit anything "

> >

> > And this is in the group -

> >

> > " Honestly, I did identify the Paisacha Baadha which has got to do

> > with his own maltreatment of his wife of earlier birth. That is

why

> > I said it was karmic. If it is a simple ghostly visit, exorcism is

> > not difficult; but when his karma intervenes, we cannot help him

> > unless his attitude changes and he " accepts " he has possibly gone

> > wrong somewhere .... "

> >

> > Now, see, on the one hand " The lady spirit is my ancestor, and on

> the

> > other, my previsou birth's wife or someone related to my wife " .

> >

> > Open ur eyes, old man... ur ego wont help u and u wont win any

> respect

> > with ur cunningness.

> > Ur biased nature indicates faults in ur horoscope, Post ur

> horoscope in

> > the group, ur truth will come out in ur own way.

> >

> > This is the gist of ur's 86 years of life and yoga sadhana that u

> are

> > biased and cunning, political and clever in ur approach. cramming

> > shlokas wont help u in ur unethical behavior.

> >

> > U say, if i m craving for meeting or knowing a person, i have an

> affair,

> > now, i m craving to meet u, I have an affair with u, what a

genius

> u r

> > !! great and if u dont say sorry, i will meet u in the court

room.

> I can

> > firgive u if u confess ur biased attitude.

> >

> > ~Lalit.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer "

> > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Mohanraaamji:

> > >

> > > I will just represent these facts:

> > >

> > > 1) I did refuse to share my mobile no. with the member Lalith

just

> > > as I do with everyone. I am always accessible by email; and

email

> > > exchanges are convenient to me because I can answer them back as

> > > soon as I am free after a pooja session or counselling session.

> > > Getting a phone call in the midst of a pooja or a counselling

> > > disturbs me. Everyone who has moved with me knows that. Somehow

> > > Shri. Lalith got offended by that. I could not help it, and I

> don't

> > > intend to change my stance of not sharing mobile nos. with

anyone.

> > > I DID REFUSE TO SHARE THE PRASHNA CHART WITH HIM FOR REASONS I

> HAVE

> > > STATED BEFORE AND WHICH RAFALJI HAS ALSO POINTED OUT CORRECTLY

> > >

> > > 2) I NEVER CLAIMED I AM A VVIP IN ANY OF MY MAILS TO HIM....He

is

> > > probably exaggerating it in his anger. However, when he wrote

> > > lecturistic mails saying things like " You are unprofessional;

you

> > > are hiding something, it is not fair " , etc. I did write " I am

too

> > > senior to be taking advices from novices like you " . This is

> exactly

> > > (or something similar in meaning) what I wrote to him. You are

> right

> > > in saying that I would not have written like that... Thanks for

> your

> > > trust in me and my nature.

> > >

> > > 3) Honestly, I did identify the Paisacha Baadha which has got

to

> do

> > > with his own maltreatment of his wife of earlier birth. That is

> why

> > > I said it was karmic. If it is a simple ghostly visit, exorcism

is

> > > not difficult; but when his karma intervenes, we cannot help him

> > > unless his attitude changes and he " accepts " he has possibly

gone

> > > wrong somewhere and that is the root of his frustration. Again,

he

> > > is not able to digest that he will not get a wife according to

his

> > > expectations. That was the real root of the problem. I had

> > > categorically told him that which is what prompted the frequent

> > > mails between us. CAN THE ASTROLOGER PLAY GOD AND SAY WHAT THE

> > > CLIENT WISHES TO HEAR? I do not believe in that. I am a human

with

> > > normal human limitations, and I belive even remedies are only

> humble

> > > Mercy Petitions and it is up to Divine Providence to hear our

> pleas

> > > and consider our requests favourably.

> > >

> > > 4) I believe Fate is dynamic and remedies do have the potential

to

> > > change Fate. It is customary of me to avoid predicting events

for

> > > which I have given remedies for this simple reason.....Remedies

> are

> > > given ONLY when the astrologer sees something is wrong and

there

> is

> > > some hope to redeem the situation. That being the case, if the

> > > client insists on a technically correct analysis at this point

of

> > > time - then the prediction should necessarily be negative. But,

> > > then what about the remedies? If they succeed, the thing could

> > > change! Now, what can the astrologer say in this situation. So,

my

> > > usual request to clients in such a situation is to perform the

> > > remedies and get back to me after certain period, and later

check

> > > with a prashna to see if the remedies have infact produced any

> > > desirable alteration in Fate. Somehow, the member has

> misunderstood

> > > the dynamics of this and possibly even my motives.

> > >

> > > 5) He wrote to me yesterday apologizing for the bitter turn of

> > > events, and I have Blessed him and requested him to do the

> > > remedies. Even today, he asked for guidance about the sumangali

> > > pooja because it seems the Vedic Pandits in his areas did not

> about

> > > it. I have detailed the procedure to him. I wonder why he still

> > > harps on the matter sharing things uncharitably about me. I have

> > > been providing him support and guidance to the best of my

> abilities

> > > and if he still misunderstands me, I can't help it; nor do I

have

> > > the time to brood on that.

> > >

> > > Please for the benefit of the forum, let us end this here.

> > >

> > > If Shri Lalith is not willing to end the matter, Mohanraaamji -

I

> > > implore you ....you at least end this exchange with him.

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

> > > mohanraaam@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalith:

> > > >

> > > > Can you post in the forum Panditji's mail where you claim he

has

> > > > written he is a VVIP? This must be a blatant lie. Pandit

> > > > Dakshinamoorthiji is not one to write like that! This is a

> > > blatant

> > > > lie! I am sure. If Panditji has really claimed he is a VVIP, I

> > > > will take back all that I have written to you.

> > > >

> > > > He has never given his phone no. to anyone in this list. So,

> what

> > > > special previlege do you think you have got you faggot? Does

he

> > > not

> > > > have a right for his own privacy?

> > > >

> > > > What will happen to his sanity if he starts getting your

idiotic

> > > > phone calls on top of your stupid mails?

> > > >

> > > > He would have repeatedly written to you only in reply. You

would

> > > > have pestered him and he would have replied. You idiot have

> > > failed

> > > > to understand the decency of an astrologer when he has hinted

at

> > > > your problems diplomatically, and now you claim " he changed

> lines "

> > > > as if he is a cheat!

> > > >

> > > > I do not know how long you are associated with this

> > > group.......Ask

> > > > any forum member here whether Panditji is a person who changes

> > > tack

> > > > like that. In fact he is one of the more honest astrologers

who

> > > > admits that he has made a mistake if ever he has made one!

But,

> > > you

> > > > are almost putting words into his mouth, and depicting as if

he

> > > has

> > > > failed in his predictions.

> > > >

> > > > Truth to be told, Panditji would have felt no hope in your

> > > situation

> > > > unless you change yourself; and he would not have seen any

> > > > possibility for that also. Hence he would have been at a loss

of

> > > > words as to what to do. Collaring an astrologer when he is

> trying

> > > > to soothen you with some hopeful predictions is really rude.

> > > >

> > > > Panditji is too senior and respected; otherwise, I would have

> > > > written to him directly regarding this matter and known what

is

> > > all

> > > > this......But, believing an idiot like you and enquiring with

a

> > > > senior astrologer is not possible.

> > > >

> > > > I again challenge you......show us the mail where Panditji

> claimed

> > > > hs is VVIP......You liar.....know whom you are accusing!

> > > >

> > > > Mohanraaam.-- In vedic astrology , " litsol "

> > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > What to say u old man, U have lost power to understand :

> > > > >

> > > > > I gave him my own resume, all my projects that i did, simply

> > > gave

> > > > him.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, I have all rights to call u " Idiot " . U r too full of

> > > > urself, A

> > > > > blind man with heap of false EGO,what happened to me, I

shared

> > > > with u

> > > > > and all, still u see, i m telling lies, m criminal.

> Constantly u

> > > r

> > > > > advancing with ur poor logic and handful knowledge to blame

me

> > > for

> > > > > everything.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, you are here to advocate pandit ji, I have not said a

> single

> > > > word

> > > > > against him and u are abusing me constantly, I have posted

my

> > > birth

> > > > > details in the group: - 17 -08-1972, 08:15 PM at Rewa (M.P)

> and

> > > > sent to

> > > > > pandit ji, if u r using that to tell there is some

debilitated

> > > > planet,

> > > > > not a strange for a man like u to play tricks.

> > > > >

> > > > > I purchased a service, didn't complain any thing to any one,

> > > just

> > > > asked

> > > > > a phone no. to remove my doubts, It was my fault coz the

> Pandit

> > > Ji

> > > > was

> > > > > VVIP, it is his right to not to give me his phone and i

have

> no

> > > > rights.

> > > > > stop it and don't try to be smart. Ok, i still compromised

and

> > > > became

> > > > > happy with the sound file, he sent to me after i informed

him

> > > > about my

> > > > > difficulty on a portion of mantra. No problems, but i said,

> this

> > > > created

> > > > > a difference in between.

> > > > >

> > > > > I m still not saying what pandit ji saw and what he didnt,

But

> > > he

> > > > mailed

> > > > > me constantly saying, it was my bad karma of previous birth,

> > > very

> > > > normal

> > > > > and very general, every second person w'd tell same, but

when

> i

> > > > informed

> > > > > him about some spirit, he changed his line and said he has

> > > already

> > > > seen

> > > > > it, I agreed to this also, but i thought it's an important

> > > > information,

> > > > > better to keep it in the record, he denied to give this

also,

> > > with

> > > > no

> > > > > reason. he said he wont give, still i was not complaining

any

> > > > thing,

> > > > > just asked him once more for same prashna, he didn't tell

any

> > > > reason and

> > > > > told that he is a VVIP, he wont give what he doesnt want. I

> > > didn't

> > > > > complain.

> > > > >

> > > > > And finally, He posted part of my mail to the group without

> > > > informing

> > > > > me, without seeking my consent and at the same time, he

didnt

> > > > forget

> > > > > accusing me that i will disclose his precious techniques in

> the

> > > > group,

> > > > > mind u idiot, on the one hand he is doing same thing and on

> the

> > > > other he

> > > > > accused me saying - i may do it, and who did that - Pandit

> Ji ?

> > > > >

> > > > > And u are here to call me mad. U dont deserve any respect.

> There

> > > > is no

> > > > > value of ur Age and Experience, Yes, i should call u idiot.

> You

> > > > want to

> > > > > twist ethics , u cant. u want to use a handful knowledge to

> twist

> > > > > ethics, u cant.

> > > > >

> > > > > I said something in general about Vedanga, or Vedic

Granthas,

> U

> > > > poker,

> > > > > entering into classification, definition.

> > > > >

> > > > > U want to challange me, for what ? instead of taking the

> > > challange

> > > > or

> > > > > trying to understand what i m saying, what i m sharing

> openly, u

> > > > keep

> > > > > abusing me.

> > > > >

> > > > > U put me a lot of pain and insult, I dont know if a handfull

> > > > knowledge

> > > > > makes a man like u, Can u tell me where is Priya and can u

> help

> > > me

> > > > > establish a contact with her, for what, i was craving whole

> > > year,

> > > > that u

> > > > > cant, u wont. coz u r fake.

> > > > >

> > > > > I cant write regards to u. Ok,

> > > > >

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

> > > <mohanraaam@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lalith:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have written " Panditji did not write about spirits

but

> you

> > > > told

> > > > > > him.... " But from what he has posted, he had already

found

> it

> > > out

> > > > > > and was not sharing it with you. He had suggested remedies

> > > > > > inclusive of that which is more important. A person of his

> > > > stature

> > > > > > need not try to " prove " his skills by giving shocking

> > > > predictions.

> > > > > > Experts of his calibre definitely are very subtle. In

fact

> the

> > > > > > words " you have to balance your karma of previous lives "

> that

> > > you

> > > > > > claim he was harping on refers to this ghostly

apparition.

> In

> > > > your

> > > > > > half-baked brain, it did not strike; that is all.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Again, you claim that you are " helping " nature; and see

the

> > > > evidence

> > > > > > you give for that......you have given all the projects

that

> > > you

> > > > did

> > > > > > under somebody's resume to " help " him. Legally, my

friend,

> you

> > > > are

> > > > > > not a helper but a " CRIMINAL " . No wonder with all your

lies

> you

> > > > > > cannot share positive vibes with Panditji who never tells

> lies!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You claim " shani " visited you; why don't you claim Lord

> Shiva

> > > > > > visited you! You are mad young man! If you had really had

> > > vision

> > > > > > of Lord Shani it would have been shown in the prashna

chart

> > > that

> > > > you

> > > > > > are a Divine personality. You probably have debilitated

> > > planets

> > > > in

> > > > > > your 9th house. You have delusions of spirituality.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have written " You do not differentiate knowledge " ;

but

> you

> > > > have

> > > > > > no rights to declassify what ancient people have

classified

> > > with

> > > > a

> > > > > > purpose. Vedangas, shaastras, all might be one for you;

but

> > > they

> > > > > > have differnet purposes. Do not try to sit in judgment

over

> the

> > > > > > wisdom of the great Seers and Saints who did tapasya

before

> > > > giving

> > > > > > those wonderful shastras to us.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have said you have learnt some vedas to search at your

> > > > Brahmin

> > > > > > roots. You have definitely not learnt under a competent

> person

> > > or

> > > > > > as usual, you have not imbibed the essence of the

teachings

> > > well.

> > > > > > Vedas are oceanic and the little spec of knowledge you

have

> in

> > > > that

> > > > > > does not qualify you to speak like this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Hitham poorva aachaarya vaakyena " means " welfare comes by

> > > > following

> > > > > > the words of ancient Masters " is a known Dharma shastraic

> > > > injunction.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You can research on things, you can analyze things with

an

> open

> > > > > > mind; but do so with a reverential attitude and not with

the

> > > > > > assumption " that in India they did not spread knowledge,

> etc. "

> > > > The

> > > > > > saints have purposefully hidden some powerful knowledge

> > > sources

> > > > so

> > > > > > that they are not misused by half-baked morons. You see,

> > > knowing

> > > > > > some part of vedas makes you think that you are qualified

to

> > > > comment

> > > > > > on that.....it is precisely to avoid such calamities, that

> > > > ancients

> > > > > > hid powerful arts. Those arts in the hands of good

persons

> can

> > > > > > benefit many, while they will become subjects of mockery

in

> the

> > > > > > hands of those who do not appreciate their Divinity.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have written " My Ego has made me angry " ...what is

there

> > > young

> > > > > > man? I got angry not because you attacked me or even

> Panditji;

> > > > but

> > > > > > because you have attacked this Divine Art and are

> remorseless.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please do not say that Shani spoke to you; you may be put

> into

> > > an

> > > > > > asylum for Paronia, Delusional Disorder, schizoid

> personality

> > > > > > disorder, etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I sincerely apologize to the list for having written such

a

> > > > personal

> > > > > > mail in this list, but this man cannot go unchallenged

after

> > > he

> > > > has

> > > > > > attempted to malign Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji - a noble

soul

> > > who

> > > > is

> > > > > > the pride of this group, and who I am sure - is

considered

> as a

> > > > > > Blessing to this group by many members. I have nothing

> > > personal

> > > > in

> > > > > > this. Even if this person had called me an " idiot " or

even

> in

> > > > > > unparliamentary language, I would have forgiven him; but

his

> > > > > > irreverential attitude towards astrology and Panditji has

> > > really

> > > > put

> > > > > > me off and prompted me in this exchange.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No matter what he writes, I will not reply henceforth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mohanraaam.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol "

> mishra.lalit@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam - Yogi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your are so angry, what causes anger, a hurt ego...

> nothing

> > > > else.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Even u have addressed your mail to Mr. Abhishek, while

> > > replying

> > > > > > to me.

> > > > > > > Pls. cool down.

> > > > > > > I have told u about " P - Priya and Preeti ... " .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The first half part of ur findings is true, how much

> true, I

> > > > will

> > > > > > tell u

> > > > > > > - " I knew two girls, whose name begins with 'P', one is

> > > Preeti

> > > > and

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > is Priya " . right, I m not like u, i mean, a man who is

> > > caught

> > > > up

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > abundance of EGO, have confidence to accept the truth

upto

> > > > where

> > > > > > it is

> > > > > > > true.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Preeti is a Biotech student and she contacted me after

she

> > > saw

> > > > my

> > > > > > > profile in the net, She is taller than me and 9 yrs

> younger

> > > to

> > > > me,

> > > > > > > still, wanted to proceed towards marriage, I thought

this

> > > may

> > > > look

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > today but tomorrow may not, I asked her to not to

contact

> me

> > > > as i

> > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > think good prospects of togatherness, off cource, she

w'd

> > > have

> > > > > > > discussed it in my home town, Rewa is not a big place

and

> we

> > > > all

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > brahmins, so things gets spread, the communication was

> > > throuh

> > > > net

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > few times through phone, pls. mind it, i have not seen

her

> > > > > > physically.

> > > > > > > never met her physically. So, ur prashan chart skills

need

> > > to

> > > > ne

> > > > > > > refined, the basic is good, after a point and the

> > > interprition

> > > > > > that u do

> > > > > > > is misleading. Ok.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Next is Priya, I liked this girl more, and felt bad

about

> > > her,

> > > > she

> > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > kind of girl, misguided by the peers and this age.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I never met her also, try to check in ur's prashna

chart,

> She

> > > > > > again met

> > > > > > > me through Net, She gave her false introduction like

She

> is a

> > > > > > Software

> > > > > > > Engineer, working with Mphasis, Bombay and about to

visit

> > > > Germany,

> > > > > > All

> > > > > > > was wrong. She had a boy friend, once she refered to me

> and

> > > > then a

> > > > > > > deviation came in her behaviro, As per priya he already

> > > > proposed

> > > > > > her,

> > > > > > > but some disturbance between them came, He didn't

belong

> to

> > > a

> > > > good

> > > > > > > family and of cheep type guy.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I was worried for her, I never wanted her to spoil her

> life

> > > > with

> > > > > > a such

> > > > > > > type of guy, I tried to convince about the meaning of

life

> > > and

> > > > > > values of

> > > > > > > our culture, She felt bad, and got angry, Once what

> happened

> > > > and

> > > > > > still

> > > > > > > unbelievable to me, let me put here, During my daily

> puja, I

> > > > saw

> > > > > > Shani

> > > > > > > is coming to me and has occupied me, I have got divine

> > > > protection

> > > > > > form

> > > > > > > lord Hanuman Ji, still, i could not call him for help,

> what i

> > > > > > could do

> > > > > > > and i had no idea about a learned siddha, what happens

is,

> > > in a

> > > > > > minute

> > > > > > > My frined Nirmesh called me from mumbai.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My friend Nirmesh is a Sr, HR Manager with Reliance

> Retail,

> > > he

> > > > was

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > his girl friend, in fact i played a role in

reconcilation

> of

> > > > > > disturbance

> > > > > > > between them so they were calling me, As Priya told to

me,

> > > she

> > > > > > lives in

> > > > > > > Bombay, I missed her, and thought to contact her, I

> wanted to

> > > > > > write a

> > > > > > > mail about me , a mail with all my emotions but here

> Saturn

> > > > Played

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > role and in place of sending that emotionl mail to

Priya,

> I

> > > > happen

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > post that mail in a , she and me both were

> > > members,

> > > > I

> > > > > > > created that group to promote youngersters of my region

in

> > > > software

> > > > > > > industry, and my own personal mail was posted in the

> group,

> > > My

> > > > own

> > > > > > > mistake, Pls. check, if u are referring to this

incident.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > She became so angry on me, but what i could do, all was

my

> > > > mistake

> > > > > > and i

> > > > > > > lost her, I w'd like to tell u more, A friend of me was

> > > > jobless, I

> > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > him my own CV to put his name on the CV with all my

> projects

> > > > in his

> > > > > > > name, Pls check in ur's prashna chart. How i help

people.

> > > Next

> > > > day

> > > > > > > after this incident, His birthday came, And the Priya

> > > addressed

> > > > > > him with

> > > > > > > so much of respect, The guy, in place of showing a

respect

> > > > towards

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > for my help, commented on me, A cunning man, I dont

know

> he

> > > and

> > > > > > many

> > > > > > > others have contributed more in widening the gap in

> between

> > > me

> > > > and

> > > > > > > Priya. I dont know if he is still in touch with her, or

> all

> > > was

> > > > > > planned

> > > > > > > by them togather. I dont know anything.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I still dont know who this Priya was and where she

lives

> in,

> > > If

> > > > > > she is a

> > > > > > > girl or a game of those guys who wanted me to look down

in

> > > that

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Group. coz, when i started searching her, what i found

> is, in

> > > > > > mphasis

> > > > > > > there is only one Priya Tiwari, who works with a BPO,

she

> > > was

> > > > not

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > Software Engineer and she never lived in Bombay, She

was

> in

> > > > Noida

> > > > > > > itself. For ur satisfaction, I can post my mails to HR

> > > > department

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > Mphasis.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I dont know what happend to her, This BPO priya, i also

> have

> > > > not

> > > > > > met

> > > > > > > her, looks different than the other Priya whom i was

> > > searching.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So, Dear old friend, Check ur Prashna Chart skills more

> and

> > > > more,

> > > > > > Baiscs

> > > > > > > are correct, ur interpretition is quite wrong and u

have

> not

> > > > got

> > > > > > enough

> > > > > > > experience in life to judge me and realities.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > whatever be is Vedanga or Shastra, I wanted to let u

know

> > > every

> > > > > > bit of

> > > > > > > knowledge is divine and pavitra. Leave the arrogance and

> > > start

> > > > > > doing

> > > > > > > preperation for ur journey that u have to do in near

> future.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If any one in the Group, can give light on this Priya's

> > > case,

> > > > coz

> > > > > > i had

> > > > > > > soft feelings for her despite all her lies, I w'd be

> grateful

> > > > > > otherwise

> > > > > > > it's OK. Can u tell me how and where she is and if she

> really

> > > > > > exists,

> > > > > > > and if any occult people can help me in establishing a

> > > contact

> > > > > > with her

> > > > > > > if she really exists w'd be good for me. I w'd pay

> whatever u

> > > > > > demand.

> > > > > > > Will any one take the challange ? i wont ask u what u

cant

> > > do,

> > > > I

> > > > > > > promise.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I didn't tell about Preeti and Priya to Pandit ji it

was

> not

> > > > > > necessary,

> > > > > > > better if he w'd have told me sth about them, but

Pandit

> Ji

> > > all

> > > > > > the time

> > > > > > > kept telling me about my Karmic Balance of the previous

> > > birth,

> > > > It

> > > > > > was me

> > > > > > > who gave him hints abot the spirit, Not he, he didnt

tell

> me

> > > > any

> > > > > > thing

> > > > > > > about the spirit and when i told him about the spirti's

> > > > storey, he

> > > > > > said

> > > > > > > he has seen it Prashan chart, tell me where i was

wrong, I

> > > > asked

> > > > > > him to

> > > > > > > give me Prashan Chart, he denied.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear old friend, why u could not see in ur's prashna

chart

> > > the

> > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > who got me occupied me during my Puja, I was not

> sleeping, I

> > > > saw

> > > > > > him

> > > > > > > with open eyes.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pls. check ur's prashna chart and I w'd request Mr.

Rafal

> to

> > > > > > interefere

> > > > > > > and tell me about Priya, coz, i m having some pain, I

dont

> > > know

> > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > , any truth of Priya Tiwari. I have her photograpgh

that

> she

> > > > sent

> > > > > > to me

> > > > > > > which differs from the Priya whom i discovered in

mphasis.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Will any one come to help me ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

> > > > <mohanraaam@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Abhishek:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Know the difference between shastraas and the

> > > > vedaangas.....you

> > > > > > > > think an astrologer and a yogi like me would not have

> > > known

> > > > all

> > > > > > > > these! siksha, kalpam, chandas, mimamsa,nruktam and

> > > Jyotisam

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > the vedangas. Don't confuse the 18 shastras or the 64

> > > mighty

> > > > arts

> > > > > > > > with vedanga. You are shallow young man but are

trying

> to

> > > > pass

> > > > > > > > judgments on great branches of knowledge and great

> persons

> > > of

> > > > > > > > knowledge. I am 86 years old and have lived a full

life

> > > with

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > happy wife and 4 intelligent, well-settled children.

> Not a

> > > > > > > > frustrated unmarried luckless youngman like you!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Whatever you said to Panditji...I do not know because

he

> > > has

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > divulged the complete exchange inthe forum...I think

he

> > > > should

> > > > > > > > probably do that to expose your arrogance and idiocy

> > > levels

> > > > to

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > group......

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You may say that you did not have affairs - then what

do

> > > you

> > > > > > tell of

> > > > > > > > a thing when you go after ladies and get heart-broken

> when

> > > > they

> > > > > > > > reject your proposal? You could not proceed to the

level

> > > of a

> > > > > > > > mutual affair because they did not entertain you at

all!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You have not commented on my finding about Priya/

> > > > preeti.....I am

> > > > > > > > sure it is correct! And definitely your failures in

this

> > > > regard

> > > > > > > > would have been a butt of jokes in your circle. I can

> bet

> > > on

> > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > But definitely you will come out with your own

versions

> to

> > > > deny

> > > > > > this.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Did you tell all this to Guruji? I am sure you would

not

> > > have

> > > > > > > > shared it in this light - but mark my words, he would

> have

> > > > found

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > out definitely! Only thing is - he is too decent to

hurt

> > > > others

> > > > > > > > unnecessarily.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Your posts are not clear....you are saying this and

that

> > > > without

> > > > > > > > actually commenting on what others have written.

Don't

> pass

> > > > > > > > judgement on astrology or its efficacy.Astrology is a

> basic

> > > > > > > > technique that one learns before predicting - but

> advanced

> > > > > > > > astrologers read far more into charts than what they

> > > indicate

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > conventional astrological classics - it is an applied

> > > field

> > > > and

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > horoscope is just a focus and an accessory tool for

> > > > prediction in

> > > > > > > > the hands of the greatest masters of this field.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Definitely you are not one to comment on the need of

> > > > astrological

> > > > > > > > research without knowing the basic vedic etiquettes of

> > > > behaving

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > learned astrologers!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Definitely Guruji's wise counsel have been useless to

> you -

> > > a

> > > > > > > > buffalo will cherish only the muddy waters - will it

> know

> > > the

> > > > > > > > differnece between Ganges and the gutter?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > One suggestion young man - try to go into Guruji's

mails

> > > > > > carefully

> > > > > > > > and quietly. His words are worth their weight in gold

> > > > usually.

> > > > > > > > Many have benefitted by his counsel - do not try to

look

> > > > > > for " your

> > > > > > > > own version of truths " from his writings. If you do

> that,

> > > it

> > > > is a

> > > > > > > > waste of whatever money you paid Panditji. Understand

> his

> > > > > > counsel,

> > > > > > > > try to follow them, and you will do fine. But, stop

> > > > insulting and

> > > > > > > > passing unnecessary remarks on astrology and need for

> > > > > > astrological

> > > > > > > > development. Some self-seeking astrologers -

> capitalizing

> > > on

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > craze of Indian public for " scientific "

> research, " modern

> > > > > > research

> > > > > > > > into old classics " etc, have written volumes about the

> > > need

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > evolution of astrology whereas the reality is those

who

> > > > follow

> > > > > > > > ancient classical wisdom have proved more efficient

in

> all

> > > > these

> > > > > > > > predictive techniques than those " researchers " .

> Parampara

> > > > has its

> > > > > > > > own significance. You still eat through your mouth

> though

> > > > times

> > > > > > > > have changed (I am assuming here; or are you eating

> > > through

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > other end for novelty sake?). In the same way, nature

> has

> > > not

> > > > > > > > changed only certain outer manifestations have

changed.

> > > Only

> > > > > > minor

> > > > > > > > modification of interpretaions are needed to suit

> > > > predictions to

> > > > > > > > modern day life and definitely there are not much

gaps.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mohanraaam.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol "

> > > > mishra.lalit@

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I cant say u " Idiot " and wont speak to u using

level

> of

> > > > ur's

> > > > > > > > language,

> > > > > > > > > ok, Pls. check ur's Prashna Skills 100 times and

> > > discover

> > > > more

> > > > > > > > about me.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And my love affairs, I had no affair with any one,

> > > right,

> > > > check

> > > > > > > > it in

> > > > > > > > > ur Prashan Chart, however, when marriage came in my

> > > mind, i

> > > > > > came in

> > > > > > > > > touch with girls, liked two or three of them, ok,

they

> > > > didn't

> > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > me,

> > > > > > > > > It happens. It was me who beforehand informed

> Panditji as

> > > > > > inputs

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > required to reach somewhere.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > See, i can say, the basic finding of ur prashan

chart

> > > like

> > > > > > break

> > > > > > > > ups is

> > > > > > > > > true, but is little it misleading too, as no brak

up

> in

> > > > sense

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > break-up happened as no affiar even started,

> sometimes, u

> > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > careful more in reaching ur conclusions, that's why

i

> > > say,

> > > > more

> > > > > > > > and more

> > > > > > > > > remains to discover, It's - " Apaurusheya "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Well, can u tell, in the storey, u posted in group,

> > > where

> > > > is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > " P-Priya, Preti etc.. " ? I will be more than happy

to

> > > see

> > > > ur

> > > > > > > > findings,

> > > > > > > > > What Guruji said was completely different from u, I

> > > > discussed

> > > > > > > > with him

> > > > > > > > > why i dont get proposals from girls even having

> average

> > > > looks,

> > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > to me, You change utr attitude and consider such

> > > > proposals, i

> > > > > > > > further

> > > > > > > > > asked him is it a big expectation to find a nice

sweet

> > > > person,

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > > > think a model or actress but a girl with little good

> > > looks

> > > > and

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > nature, even it is difficult, if it is difficult, i

> was

> > > > asking

> > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > describing him about me, my needs, my thoughts.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > and on what u did write - " And your posts about

> > > astrology

> > > > in

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > arguments with Shri. Abhishek also clearly protray

> your

> > > > idiocy!

> > > > > > > > You are

> > > > > > > > > asking why Astrology

> > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other

> things?

> > > > > > Idiot -

> > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas

> and

> > > not

> > > > > > > > > Engineering......You do not know all this

> > > classifications

> > > > and

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to

> comment

> > > on

> > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pls study " Shulb Sutras " ok, U will find,

Engineering

> is

> > > > there,

> > > > > > > > > Mathmatics is there, Ayourveda as medical science is

> > > there.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You are showing u r too full of urself, somtimes it

> > > > happens to

> > > > > > few

> > > > > > > > > people.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

> > > > > > <mohanraaam@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You " demanded " Panditji's phone no. and he

> > > refused....you

> > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > has no right to do that? It is his privacy...when

> you

> > > > have

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > pestering him over email how much more

irresponsible

> > > you

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > been if he had given his phone no.? You think

> Panditji

> > > > has

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > spend on worthless brats like you who think the

> world

> > > is

> > > > > > > > revolving

> > > > > > > > > > around them? He has sent you an audio recording

of

> the

> > > > > > mantra -

> > > > > > > > > > what else you need to know? Is the Great Man your

> > > slave

> > > > or

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > that you can demand everything that you want from

> him?

> > > > He is

> > > > > > too

> > > > > > > > > > proud for that!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You have no right to expect anything except

service

> > > for

> > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > payment - assuming you have made some payment to

> > > Guruji!

> > > > Do

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > think you have bought him just because you asked

his

> > > > > > service? I

> > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > sure you would have written something silly like

> this

> > > > (your

> > > > > > > > current

> > > > > > > > > > post is in itself silly) that annoyed Panditji!

You

> > > say

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > matter

> > > > > > > > > > is over - but you keep on saying things as if

> Panditji

> > > > has

> > > > > > done a

> > > > > > > > > > mistake and you are justified.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > And your posts about astrology in your arguments

> with

> > > > Shri.

> > > > > > > > Abhishek

> > > > > > > > > > also clearly protray your idiocy! You are asking

why

> > > > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other

> > > things?

> > > > > > Idiot -

> > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the

Vedas

> > > and

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > Engineering......You do not know all this

> > > classifications

> > > > > > and are

> > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to

> > > comment

> > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I just checked up a prashna chart to see what

sort

> of

> > > > person

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > are.....From this, try to understand what all

> > > astrology

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > capable

> > > > > > > > > > of.....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Last year you would have proposed to a Lady - and

> your

> > > > > > failure

> > > > > > > > was a

> > > > > > > > > > widely circulated joke in your social

circle.....is

> it

> > > > true

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > not?

> > > > > > > > > > Just understand - people have made fun of you only

> > > > because of

> > > > > > > > > > your " loser " attitude. You are childish in your

> > > attitude;

> > > > > > this is

> > > > > > > > > > one reason why women in your life are running away

> > > from

> > > > you.

> > > > > > > > Guruji

> > > > > > > > > > has just hinted on love failures in his post -

but

> my

> > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > > clearly indicates they have rejected you outright

> after

> > > > > > initial

> > > > > > > > > > interactions with you because you have

> been " chasing "

> > > > them

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > troubling them with undiplomatic messages

> > > persistently.

> > > > Your

> > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > serious connection when the lady rejected your

> > > proposal -

> > > > her

> > > > > > > > name

> > > > > > > > > > is likely to be in the " pa " varga (preeti, Priya,

> etc.

> > > > any of

> > > > > > > > these -

> > > > > > > > > > you may think I have not found the right name -

but

> > > > knowing

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > initial word of a person about whom I know

nothing

> is

> > > in

> > > > > > itself

> > > > > > > > > > difficult - and no amount of research in

scientific

> > > > > > astrology can

> > > > > > > > > > give the exact name! Don't think

your " researches "

> will

> > > > > > > > > > automatically pave the way to find the name and

> glorify

> > > > > > > > astrology -

> > > > > > > > > > because that is not possible!)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Now do you understand what an astrologer is

capable

> of!

> > > > > > Guruji is

> > > > > > > > > > too decent to insult you by writing like this -

> > > > definitely he

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > have found out all these. He would have

counselled

> you

> > > > about

> > > > > > > > change

> > > > > > > > > > of attitude mainly regarding this....you would not

> > > have

> > > > got

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > hint. Yet in message after message you are

> justifying

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > > projecting as if your grievance is genuine.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Heights of arrogance - thinking you have the

right

> to

> > > > > > disturb a

> > > > > > > > > > learned senior astrologer as and when you want! I

am

> > > > > > associated

> > > > > > > > > > with Panditji for so long and yet I do not have

his

> > > > mobile

> > > > > > no. do

> > > > > > > > > > you know that? He has email id and he is very

prompt

> > > in

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > replies

> > > > > > > > > > through that. Do you know anything of that great

man

> > > or

> > > > his

> > > > > > daily

> > > > > > > > > > schedules? He has not merely one client like you -

 

> but

> > > > > > thosands

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > admirers, students, disciples, and clients all

over

> the

> > > > > > world. If

> > > > > > > > > > all start calling Guruji will he ever have time

for

> > > > himself?

> > > > > > That

> > > > > > > > > > is why he is not giving the mobile. Your post

speaks

> > > as

> > > > if

> > > > > > he is

> > > > > > > > > > hiding himself.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It is probably his mistake that he is helping out

> > > people

> > > > like

> > > > > > > > you -

> > > > > > > > > > the great man does not differentiate much and

tries

> to

> > > > help

> > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > suffering people even if they are undeserving.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Try to change your attitude for your own good.

> Improve

> > > > > > yourself

> > > > > > > > > > before trying to comment on great fields like

> > > astrology,

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > you do not know even a speck. There are no gaps in

> > > > > > astrological

> > > > > > > > > > knowledge. Enough knowledge has been documented as

> > > Shri.

> > > > > > Potti

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > written in his post.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > .vedic astrology , " litsol "

> > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear primusjyotish,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You are right, in fact differences begane, when

i

> > > asked

> > > > > > Pandit

> > > > > > > > Ji's

> > > > > > > > > > > phone nos to communicate to him, he refused to

> give

> > > his

> > > > > > nos, I

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > surprised, being a client, paying for the

> > > consultation

> > > > a

> > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > communication is required, so at least a

> > > communication

> > > > over

> > > > > > > > phone

> > > > > > > > > > > should happen, It was refused, he recommened a

> > > mantra,

> > > > i

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > on it's pronunciation, the rerequest to tell

right

> > > > > > > > pronunciation

> > > > > > > > > > over

> > > > > > > > > > > phone was also refused, then a copy of charts

made

> > > was

> > > > > > refused.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I didnt come to group for so many refusals.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > And there were two contradictory explanations ,

> the

> > > > timing

> > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > very wide for an event - one year and it was

said

> > > that

> > > > it's

> > > > > > > > > > conditional

> > > > > > > > > > > too, I was not understanding what to conclude

and

> > > then

> > > > > > pandit

> > > > > > > > Ji

> > > > > > > > > > posted

> > > > > > > > > > > my private communication partly in the group.

> Later,

> > > > > > pandit ji

> > > > > > > > > > provided

> > > > > > > > > > > me sound files of the mantras, ok, my confusion

on

> > > > > > > > pronunciation

> > > > > > > > > > > removed.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Now, it is over, and i dont want to discuss it

> > > further.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Jyotish

> > > > > > Volunteers "

> > > > > > > > > > > <primusjyotishi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > One would not consult a doctor for his

physical

> > > > ailments

> > > > > > or a

> > > > > > > > > > > > psychiatrist for his mental ailments through

> > > > internet.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this is why many like Sri K.N. Rao

> strongly

> > > > > > recommend

> > > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > > seeking solutions to serious matters via

> internet

> > > > and to

> > > > > > use

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > tested procedure of face-to-face, in-person

> > > > consultation.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Convenience gets in the way and causes more

pain

> > > > > > ultimately,

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > need to get the answer here and now,

> > > > unfortunately ...

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic-

astrology , " litsol "

> > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I bought a service and had a private

> > > communication,

> > > > > > it's at

> > > > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > > sight

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong for u to post any part of private

> > > > communication

> > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > consent.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > U cant imagine anything solely at ur end,

if i

> > > > myself

> > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > u

> > > > > > > > > > hints

> > > > > > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > possible obstacle due to spirit, how i m

going

> > > to

> > > > fear

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > thing

> > > > > > > > > > > > or the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > other. This should not be basis of not

> providing

> > > > > > > > infomation.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You are at advanced level, which is

realized

> by

> > > > many

> > > > > > that's

> > > > > > > > > > why u

> > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > being contacted, but that u r into deciding

> > > > everything

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > profession one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sided, can not be justified.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Though, i wanted chart for keeping in my

> > > records,

> > > > with

> > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > doubts on

> > > > > > > > > > > > u,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ur apporach makes me think otherwise.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In any profession, transparency is key to

gain

> > > > one's

> > > > > > faith

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > that u

> > > > > > > > > > > > > didn't bother this, on the basis of ur

> advanced

> > > > level u

> > > > > > > > pls.

> > > > > > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > > > > > > > justify what is incorrect, it's a pity that

u

> > > make

> > > > ur

> > > > > > mood

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > post

> > > > > > > > > > > > > private communication and at the same time,

> in ur

> > > > > > reply to

> > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > private

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mail id, u accused me that i can post ur

> advanced

> > > > > > > > technique in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > group, I dont know how to react.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a clear contradiction, I was

interested

> > > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > final

> > > > > > > > > > outcome

> > > > > > > > > > > > > which is chart, i should know that, and not

in

> > > ur's

> > > > > > > > technique

> > > > > > > > > > but u

> > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > made it a public issue instread of giving

same

> > > to

> > > > me.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Why development of ancient knowledge has

come

> to

> > > an

> > > > > > end is

> > > > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this fear which i dont know why some

> knowledgable

> > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > like u

> > > > > > > > > > > > > insttalled within.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish to assure u that ur respect is no way

> > > > > > corroborated

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > intact in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > my views, i m also thankful to u for the

> > > remedies

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > mantras u

> > > > > > > > > > > > provided

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, even if that dont work, i will have

> same

> > > > respect

> > > > > > > > for u

> > > > > > > > > > but u

> > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > completely wrong at ur part in ur dealings.

> Pls.

> > > > check

> > > > > > ur

> > > > > > > > > > dasha and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > antardasha, something wrong somewhere.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic-

> > > > > > astrology , " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting an extract of the interaction

> > > > between

> > > > > > myself

> > > > > > > > > > and one

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this list members who wanted a prediction

> from

> > > > me. I

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > counselling based on his horoscope and

also

> > > > based on

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. Marital chart showed marital

delays

> and

> > > > > > problem

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > love

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters which he has already experienced.

> The

> > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > showed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the possibility of " Paisacha baadha "

> (trouble

> > > > due to

> > > > > > > > ghostly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > entities that block happiness in the

> family).

> > > I

> > > > had

> > > > > > taken

> > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter into account and not wanting to

scare

> > > the

> > > > > > member

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily, I had not divulged the

matter

> > > to

> > > > him.

> > > > > > > > > > Instead, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested beeja mantras to counteract that

> > > > effect and

> > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested " Sumangali Pooja " to be

performed.

> > > He

> > > > later

> > > > > > > > came

> > > > > > > > > > back to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > me and asked about the ghostly events

> himself

> > > > > > because his

> > > > > > > > > > family

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > members have had visitations from that

> entity.

> > > I

> > > > > > replied

> > > > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying that I have already taken that

factor

> > > into

> > > > > > account

> > > > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving my suggestions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The prashna chart showed that the entity

is

> > > > likely to

> > > > > > > > leave

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earth Plane by this year end and so it

> cannot

> > > > trouble

> > > > > > > > him any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer. So, based on that and also based

on

> his

> > > > > > > > horoscope,

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > having faith in the remedies I had

> suggested,

> > > I

> > > > had

> > > > > > > > predicted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > possibility of marriage in Feb 2008 or in

> 2009.

> > > > > > Actually,

> > > > > > > > > > dasa-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhukti and transit influences are quite

> tough

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > > contradictory

> > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this event and I had taken so many

factors

> and

> > > > > > > > > > balanced/counter-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced so many possibilities and had

> > > predicted

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > date as

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Benediction; let the marriage happen in

Feb

> > > > 2008! I

> > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the extent of suggesting attitude

> > > modification

> > > > > > (he may

> > > > > > > > > > not get

> > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wife of his expectations) for the

marriage

> to

> > > > > > happen; or

> > > > > > > > > > else it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > might even be denied.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the member has been persisting about

> > > > sharing the

> > > > > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with him. I had given him broad hints

about

> > > why I

> > > > > > though

> > > > > > > > > > Paisacha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > baadha was there for him; but he insists

> that I

> > > > > > share the

> > > > > > > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart and give the complete details to

him,

> or

> > > > else

> > > > > > I am

> > > > > > > > > > unfair!

> > > > > > > > > > > > My

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > reservation regarding this is that

prashna

> is

> > > an

> > > > > > advanced

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > application and sharing its techniques

> offhand

> > > > may be

> > > > > > > > > > confusing

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > may lead the native into reading too much

> into

> > > > each

> > > > > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and fear paisacha baadha when infact it

> might

> > > > not be

> > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > at all!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > He does not understand me and is getting

at

> me

> > > > > > prompting

> > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > write

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail after mail and I am at my patience's

> end!

> > > > If I

> > > > > > spend

> > > > > > > > > > > > pointless

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > time debating like this with one person

how

> > > can I

> > > > > > serve

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > others.....Why does not this member

> understand

> > > > this?

> > > > > > Not

> > > > > > > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sensitive prashna charts is a hallowed

> > > > > > tradition......Am

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > justified in my action when I have acted

in

> > > the

> > > > best

> > > > > > > > > > interests of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the member?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting the latest exchange between

us

> > > for

> > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > reference. I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > request those who are knowledgeable in

> > > authentic

> > > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > > > > traditions

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to write to the member (He is the person

> who is

> > > > > > cutting

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > pasting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Garga Hora in this list) telling him

> that

> > > I

> > > > am

> > > > > > > > justified

> > > > > > > > > > in my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand, and I am doing it in the best

> > > interests.

> > > > He

> > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the danger of maintaining the

> > > prashna

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > indicating

> > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > paisacha baadha which is inauspicious! I

am

> > > > pained

> > > > > > by his

> > > > > > > > > > words

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > like " Your are hiding something; hiding

> things

> > > is

> > > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > sign

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fairness " etc. It is almost like accusing

> me of

> > > > > > being a

> > > > > > > > > > cheat!

> > > > > > > > > > > > Again

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > he comment on my professionalism; I am

> acting

> > > as

> > > > per

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > professional

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ethics; why is he - a novice imputing

> motives

> > > to

> > > > me

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > commenting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > on my professionalism? Is this what an

> > > astrologer

> > > > > > gets

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > service?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Below is the extract....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------

--

> ---

> > > --

> > > > ----

> > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > > -----

> > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith Mishra:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unnecessary openness in the name of

> frankness

> > > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > bane of

> > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > society now-a-days. Will you go out in the

> > > nude

> > > > on

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > public

> > > > > > > > > > > > roads

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > just to prove you have nothing to hide?

> Asking

> > > > > > advanced

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > unique

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques of a practising

> > > > professional

> > > > > > > > > > persistently

> > > > > > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > after he has denied access to that

knowledge

> > > is

> > > > very

> > > > > > > > rude .

> > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > access to that knowledge was denied

because

> it

> > > > can be

> > > > > > > > > > > > misinterpreted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if you post that " technique " in the VA

> > > list,

> > > > many

> > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > will get anxious (just as some members are

> > > > wondering

> > > > > > > > what is

> > > > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with their horoscopes with the Garga Hora

> > > > posting of

> > > > > > > > yours!)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do I have to gain by withholding

> > > > information? I

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > too

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > advanced in my profession to be taking

> advice

> > > > from

> > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > > regarding

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the professional way of handling

my

> > > > clients.

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic intentions, and your accusing me

of

> > > being

> > > > > > unfair

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > rude

> > > > > > > > > > > > (in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact each of your mails contains

something

> or

> > > the

> > > > > > other).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can assure you only one thing - I have

> acted

> > > > in the

> > > > > > > > best of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > intentions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting this in the VA list so that

> other

> > > > > > learned

> > > > > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > > > > might

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > put some wisdom into you (I have failed in

> > > this

> > > > with

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > repeated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > replies to you).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Lalit Mishra, Noida " mlalit@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res. Pandit Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the one hand , I m thankful to you for

> all

> > > ur

> > > > > > analysis

> > > > > > > > > > and I

> > > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow ur instructions but on the other I

> must

> > > > say

> > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > > seem fair

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough in ur professional approach.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hiding things is not a sign of fairness.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I knew astrology, perhapse I w'd not

have

> > > > asked u

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > > > > simple

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > things or charts, required to keep in my

> > > > records. My

> > > > > > > > level

> > > > > > > > > > is not

> > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > constraint for u to share important

charts,

> if

> > > > > > tomorrow I

> > > > > > > > > > need to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > contact u for sth, how I w'd do without

any

> > > > > > reference.

> > > > > > > > If I

> > > > > > > > > > ask

> > > > > > > > > > > > u, u

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should not hold things at ur's end and u

> don't

> > > > gain

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > thing with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur approach.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Anitaji:

 

It is best not to dwelve too deeply into Paisacha baadha and other

negatives. The remedy is simple - no entity can ever stand any

chance against a true devotee of God. Though it might trouble you

for some time due to your own karmaa, ultimately your devotion to God

will win.

 

Those who are saatwik by nature, those who respect shaastraas, and

those who are respectfully disposed towards saintly personalities

will sooner or later stumble upon the cure for these. (Actually the

influence of these deities can turn one into a non-believer, or

worse....an abuser of hallowed traditions; these entities gain

strength to torment a person only if he falls from dharma, and so

they will impel him/her towards adharmic acts; a person who is highly

ethical will hence shake off those influences easily without recourse

to any magical remedies).

 

If you still wish to know about these matters, Prashna Maarga

translated by Shri. B.V.Raaman can be a good work to understand this.

However, please be warned, that I have found " Printer's Devil " in

some chapters, and it is not best if you have a working knowledge of

sanskrit while reading Prashna Maarga so that you can cross check the

concepts from original source.

 

Assessing Paisaacha Baadha is a specialist work, and improper

understanding of that might make you read a Paisaacha Baadha in most

horoscopes and get confused unnecessarily. A good teacher is worth a

million books; please learn these sensitive subjects under a

trustworthy spiritual person.

 

Blessed be.

Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

 

vedic astrology , anita anita

<purple_currency_white wrote:

>

> Dear Respected Pandit-ji and members,

>

> Could you please recommend a book where I can read and learn

about Paisacha Baadha and other karmic effects? A book in English

which explains karma in detail and the planetary positions in charts

for things like Paisacha Baadha would be ideal.

>

> Many thanks in advance.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Anita

>

>

> dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer wrote:

> Respected Mohanraaamji:

>

> I will just represent these facts:

>

> 1) I did refuse to share my mobile no. with the member Lalith just

> as I do with everyone. I am always accessible by email; and email

> exchanges are convenient to me because I can answer them back as

> soon as I am free after a pooja session or counselling session.

> Getting a phone call in the midst of a pooja or a counselling

> disturbs me. Everyone who has moved with me knows that. Somehow

> Shri. Lalith got offended by that. I could not help it, and I don't

> intend to change my stance of not sharing mobile nos. with anyone.

> I DID REFUSE TO SHARE THE PRASHNA CHART WITH HIM FOR REASONS I HAVE

> STATED BEFORE AND WHICH RAFALJI HAS ALSO POINTED OUT CORRECTLY

>

> 2) I NEVER CLAIMED I AM A VVIP IN ANY OF MY MAILS TO HIM....He is

> probably exaggerating it in his anger. However, when he wrote

> lecturistic mails saying things like " You are unprofessional; you

> are hiding something, it is not fair " , etc. I did write " I am too

> senior to be taking advices from novices like you " . This is exactly

> (or something similar in meaning) what I wrote to him. You are

right

> in saying that I would not have written like that... Thanks for

your

> trust in me and my nature.

>

> 3) Honestly, I did identify the Paisacha Baadha which has got to do

> with his own maltreatment of his wife of earlier birth. That is why

> I said it was karmic. If it is a simple ghostly visit, exorcism is

> not difficult; but when his karma intervenes, we cannot help him

> unless his attitude changes and he " accepts " he has possibly gone

> wrong somewhere and that is the root of his frustration. Again, he

> is not able to digest that he will not get a wife according to his

> expectations. That was the real root of the problem. I had

> categorically told him that which is what prompted the frequent

> mails between us. CAN THE ASTROLOGER PLAY GOD AND SAY WHAT THE

> CLIENT WISHES TO HEAR? I do not believe in that. I am a human with

> normal human limitations, and I belive even remedies are only

humble

> Mercy Petitions and it is up to Divine Providence to hear our pleas

> and consider our requests favourably.

>

> 4) I believe Fate is dynamic and remedies do have the potential to

> change Fate. It is customary of me to avoid predicting events for

> which I have given remedies for this simple reason.....Remedies are

> given ONLY when the astrologer sees something is wrong and there is

> some hope to redeem the situation. That being the case, if the

> client insists on a technically correct analysis at this point of

> time - then the prediction should necessarily be negative. But,

> then what about the remedies? If they succeed, the thing could

> change! Now, what can the astrologer say in this situation. So, my

> usual request to clients in such a situation is to perform the

> remedies and get back to me after certain period, and later check

> with a prashna to see if the remedies have infact produced any

> desirable alteration in Fate. Somehow, the member has misunderstood

> the dynamics of this and possibly even my motives.

>

> 5) He wrote to me yesterday apologizing for the bitter turn of

> events, and I have Blessed him and requested him to do the

> remedies. Even today, he asked for guidance about the sumangali

> pooja because it seems the Vedic Pandits in his areas did not about

> it. I have detailed the procedure to him. I wonder why he still

> harps on the matter sharing things uncharitably about me. I have

> been providing him support and guidance to the best of my abilities

> and if he still misunderstands me, I can't help it; nor do I have

> the time to brood on that.

>

> Please for the benefit of the forum, let us end this here.

>

> If Shri Lalith is not willing to end the matter, Mohanraaamji - I

> implore you ....you at least end this exchange with him.

>

> Blessed be.

> Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

> vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

> <mohanraaam@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalith:

> >

> > Can you post in the forum Panditji's mail where you claim he has

> > written he is a VVIP? This must be a blatant lie. Pandit

> > Dakshinamoorthiji is not one to write like that! This is a

> blatant

> > lie! I am sure. If Panditji has really claimed he is a VVIP, I

> > will take back all that I have written to you.

> >

> > He has never given his phone no. to anyone in this list. So, what

> > special previlege do you think you have got you faggot? Does he

> not

> > have a right for his own privacy?

> >

> > What will happen to his sanity if he starts getting your idiotic

> > phone calls on top of your stupid mails?

> >

> > He would have repeatedly written to you only in reply. You would

> > have pestered him and he would have replied. You idiot have

> failed

> > to understand the decency of an astrologer when he has hinted at

> > your problems diplomatically, and now you claim " he changed

lines "

> > as if he is a cheat!

> >

> > I do not know how long you are associated with this

> group.......Ask

> > any forum member here whether Panditji is a person who changes

> tack

> > like that. In fact he is one of the more honest astrologers who

> > admits that he has made a mistake if ever he has made one! But,

> you

> > are almost putting words into his mouth, and depicting as if he

> has

> > failed in his predictions.

> >

> > Truth to be told, Panditji would have felt no hope in your

> situation

> > unless you change yourself; and he would not have seen any

> > possibility for that also. Hence he would have been at a loss of

> > words as to what to do. Collaring an astrologer when he is trying

> > to soothen you with some hopeful predictions is really rude.

> >

> > Panditji is too senior and respected; otherwise, I would have

> > written to him directly regarding this matter and known what is

> all

> > this......But, believing an idiot like you and enquiring with a

> > senior astrologer is not possible.

> >

> > I again challenge you......show us the mail where Panditji

claimed

> > hs is VVIP......You liar.....know whom you are accusing!

> >

> > Mohanraaam.-- In vedic astrology , " litsol "

> > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > What to say u old man, U have lost power to understand :

> > >

> > > I gave him my own resume, all my projects that i did, simply

> gave

> > him.

> > >

> > > Now, I have all rights to call u " Idiot " . U r too full of

> > urself, A

> > > blind man with heap of false EGO,what happened to me, I shared

> > with u

> > > and all, still u see, i m telling lies, m criminal. Constantly

u

> r

> > > advancing with ur poor logic and handful knowledge to blame me

> for

> > > everything.

> > >

> > > So, you are here to advocate pandit ji, I have not said a

single

> > word

> > > against him and u are abusing me constantly, I have posted my

> birth

> > > details in the group: - 17 -08-1972, 08:15 PM at Rewa (M.P) and

> > sent to

> > > pandit ji, if u r using that to tell there is some debilitated

> > planet,

> > > not a strange for a man like u to play tricks.

> > >

> > > I purchased a service, didn't complain any thing to any one,

> just

> > asked

> > > a phone no. to remove my doubts, It was my fault coz the Pandit

> Ji

> > was

> > > VVIP, it is his right to not to give me his phone and i have no

> > rights.

> > > stop it and don't try to be smart. Ok, i still compromised and

> > became

> > > happy with the sound file, he sent to me after i informed him

> > about my

> > > difficulty on a portion of mantra. No problems, but i said,

this

> > created

> > > a difference in between.

> > >

> > > I m still not saying what pandit ji saw and what he didnt, But

> he

> > mailed

> > > me constantly saying, it was my bad karma of previous birth,

> very

> > normal

> > > and very general, every second person w'd tell same, but when i

> > informed

> > > him about some spirit, he changed his line and said he has

> already

> > seen

> > > it, I agreed to this also, but i thought it's an important

> > information,

> > > better to keep it in the record, he denied to give this also,

> with

> > no

> > > reason. he said he wont give, still i was not complaining any

> > thing,

> > > just asked him once more for same prashna, he didn't tell any

> > reason and

> > > told that he is a VVIP, he wont give what he doesnt want. I

> didn't

> > > complain.

> > >

> > > And finally, He posted part of my mail to the group without

> > informing

> > > me, without seeking my consent and at the same time, he didnt

> > forget

> > > accusing me that i will disclose his precious techniques in the

> > group,

> > > mind u idiot, on the one hand he is doing same thing and on the

> > other he

> > > accused me saying - i may do it, and who did that - Pandit Ji ?

> > >

> > > And u are here to call me mad. U dont deserve any respect.

There

> > is no

> > > value of ur Age and Experience, Yes, i should call u idiot. You

> > want to

> > > twist ethics , u cant. u want to use a handful knowledge to

twist

> > > ethics, u cant.

> > >

> > > I said something in general about Vedanga, or Vedic Granthas, U

> > poker,

> > > entering into classification, definition.

> > >

> > > U want to challange me, for what ? instead of taking the

> challange

> > or

> > > trying to understand what i m saying, what i m sharing openly,

u

> > keep

> > > abusing me.

> > >

> > > U put me a lot of pain and insult, I dont know if a handfull

> > knowledge

> > > makes a man like u, Can u tell me where is Priya and can u help

> me

> > > establish a contact with her, for what, i was craving whole

> year,

> > that u

> > > cant, u wont. coz u r fake.

> > >

> > > I cant write regards to u. Ok,

> > >

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

> <mohanraaam@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalith:

> > > >

> > > > You have written " Panditji did not write about spirits but

you

> > told

> > > > him.... " But from what he has posted, he had already found it

> out

> > > > and was not sharing it with you. He had suggested remedies

> > > > inclusive of that which is more important. A person of his

> > stature

> > > > need not try to " prove " his skills by giving shocking

> > predictions.

> > > > Experts of his calibre definitely are very subtle. In fact the

> > > > words " you have to balance your karma of previous lives " that

> you

> > > > claim he was harping on refers to this ghostly apparition. In

> > your

> > > > half-baked brain, it did not strike; that is all.

> > > >

> > > > Again, you claim that you are " helping " nature; and see the

> > evidence

> > > > you give for that......you have given all the projects that

> you

> > did

> > > > under somebody's resume to " help " him. Legally, my friend,

you

> > are

> > > > not a helper but a " CRIMINAL " . No wonder with all your lies

you

> > > > cannot share positive vibes with Panditji who never tells

lies!

> > > >

> > > > You claim " shani " visited you; why don't you claim Lord Shiva

> > > > visited you! You are mad young man! If you had really had

> vision

> > > > of Lord Shani it would have been shown in the prashna chart

> that

> > you

> > > > are a Divine personality. You probably have debilitated

> planets

> > in

> > > > your 9th house. You have delusions of spirituality.

> > > >

> > > > You have written " You do not differentiate knowledge " ; but

you

> > have

> > > > no rights to declassify what ancient people have classified

> with

> > a

> > > > purpose. Vedangas, shaastras, all might be one for you; but

> they

> > > > have differnet purposes. Do not try to sit in judgment over

the

> > > > wisdom of the great Seers and Saints who did tapasya before

> > giving

> > > > those wonderful shastras to us.

> > > >

> > > > You have said you have learnt some vedas to search at your

> > Brahmin

> > > > roots. You have definitely not learnt under a competent

person

> or

> > > > as usual, you have not imbibed the essence of the teachings

> well.

> > > > Vedas are oceanic and the little spec of knowledge you have

in

> > that

> > > > does not qualify you to speak like this.

> > > >

> > > > " Hitham poorva aachaarya vaakyena " means " welfare comes by

> > following

> > > > the words of ancient Masters " is a known Dharma shastraic

> > injunction.

> > > >

> > > > You can research on things, you can analyze things with an

open

> > > > mind; but do so with a reverential attitude and not with the

> > > > assumption " that in India they did not spread knowledge,

etc. "

> > The

> > > > saints have purposefully hidden some powerful knowledge

> sources

> > so

> > > > that they are not misused by half-baked morons. You see,

> knowing

> > > > some part of vedas makes you think that you are qualified to

> > comment

> > > > on that.....it is precisely to avoid such calamities, that

> > ancients

> > > > hid powerful arts. Those arts in the hands of good persons can

> > > > benefit many, while they will become subjects of mockery in

the

> > > > hands of those who do not appreciate their Divinity.

> > > >

> > > > You have written " My Ego has made me angry " ...what is there

> young

> > > > man? I got angry not because you attacked me or even

Panditji;

> > but

> > > > because you have attacked this Divine Art and are remorseless.

> > > >

> > > > Please do not say that Shani spoke to you; you may be put

into

> an

> > > > asylum for Paronia, Delusional Disorder, schizoid personality

> > > > disorder, etc.

> > > >

> > > > I sincerely apologize to the list for having written such a

> > personal

> > > > mail in this list, but this man cannot go unchallenged after

> he

> > has

> > > > attempted to malign Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji - a noble soul

> who

> > is

> > > > the pride of this group, and who I am sure - is considered as

a

> > > > Blessing to this group by many members. I have nothing

> personal

> > in

> > > > this. Even if this person had called me an " idiot " or even in

> > > > unparliamentary language, I would have forgiven him; but his

> > > > irreverential attitude towards astrology and Panditji has

> really

> > put

> > > > me off and prompted me in this exchange.

> > > >

> > > > No matter what he writes, I will not reply henceforth.

> > > >

> > > > Mohanraaam.

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " mishra.lalit@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mohanraaam - Yogi,

> > > > >

> > > > > Your are so angry, what causes anger, a hurt ego... nothing

> > else.

> > > > >

> > > > > Even u have addressed your mail to Mr. Abhishek, while

> replying

> > > > to me.

> > > > > Pls. cool down.

> > > > > I have told u about " P - Priya and Preeti ... " .

> > > > >

> > > > > The first half part of ur findings is true, how much true,

I

> > will

> > > > tell u

> > > > > - " I knew two girls, whose name begins with 'P', one is

> Preeti

> > and

> > > > other

> > > > > is Priya " . right, I m not like u, i mean, a man who is

> caught

> > up

> > > > in

> > > > > abundance of EGO, have confidence to accept the truth upto

> > where

> > > > it is

> > > > > true.

> > > > >

> > > > > Preeti is a Biotech student and she contacted me after she

> saw

> > my

> > > > > profile in the net, She is taller than me and 9 yrs younger

> to

> > me,

> > > > > still, wanted to proceed towards marriage, I thought this

> may

> > look

> > > > good

> > > > > today but tomorrow may not, I asked her to not to contact

me

> > as i

> > > > dont

> > > > > think good prospects of togatherness, off cource, she w'd

> have

> > > > > discussed it in my home town, Rewa is not a big place and

we

> > all

> > > > are

> > > > > brahmins, so things gets spread, the communication was

> throuh

> > net

> > > > and

> > > > > few times through phone, pls. mind it, i have not seen her

> > > > physically.

> > > > > never met her physically. So, ur prashan chart skills need

> to

> > ne

> > > > > refined, the basic is good, after a point and the

> interprition

> > > > that u do

> > > > > is misleading. Ok.

> > > > >

> > > > > Next is Priya, I liked this girl more, and felt bad about

> her,

> > she

> > > > is a

> > > > > kind of girl, misguided by the peers and this age.

> > > > >

> > > > > I never met her also, try to check in ur's prashna chart,

She

> > > > again met

> > > > > me through Net, She gave her false introduction like She is

a

> > > > Software

> > > > > Engineer, working with Mphasis, Bombay and about to visit

> > Germany,

> > > > All

> > > > > was wrong. She had a boy friend, once she refered to me and

> > then a

> > > > > deviation came in her behaviro, As per priya he already

> > proposed

> > > > her,

> > > > > but some disturbance between them came, He didn't belong to

> a

> > good

> > > > > family and of cheep type guy.

> > > > >

> > > > > I was worried for her, I never wanted her to spoil her life

> > with

> > > > a such

> > > > > type of guy, I tried to convince about the meaning of life

> and

> > > > values of

> > > > > our culture, She felt bad, and got angry, Once what

happened

> > and

> > > > still

> > > > > unbelievable to me, let me put here, During my daily puja,

I

> > saw

> > > > Shani

> > > > > is coming to me and has occupied me, I have got divine

> > protection

> > > > form

> > > > > lord Hanuman Ji, still, i could not call him for help, what

i

> > > > could do

> > > > > and i had no idea about a learned siddha, what happens is,

> in a

> > > > minute

> > > > > My frined Nirmesh called me from mumbai.

> > > > >

> > > > > My friend Nirmesh is a Sr, HR Manager with Reliance Retail,

> he

> > was

> > > > with

> > > > > his girl friend, in fact i played a role in reconcilation of

> > > > disturbance

> > > > > between them so they were calling me, As Priya told to me,

> she

> > > > lives in

> > > > > Bombay, I missed her, and thought to contact her, I wanted

to

> > > > write a

> > > > > mail about me , a mail with all my emotions but here Saturn

> > Played

> > > > a

> > > > > role and in place of sending that emotionl mail to Priya, I

> > happen

> > > > to

> > > > > post that mail in a , she and me both were

> members,

> > I

> > > > > created that group to promote youngersters of my region in

> > software

> > > > > industry, and my own personal mail was posted in the group,

> My

> > own

> > > > > mistake, Pls. check, if u are referring to this incident.

> > > > >

> > > > > She became so angry on me, but what i could do, all was my

> > mistake

> > > > and i

> > > > > lost her, I w'd like to tell u more, A friend of me was

> > jobless, I

> > > > gave

> > > > > him my own CV to put his name on the CV with all my

projects

> > in his

> > > > > name, Pls check in ur's prashna chart. How i help people.

> Next

> > day

> > > > > after this incident, His birthday came, And the Priya

> addressed

> > > > him with

> > > > > so much of respect, The guy, in place of showing a respect

> > towards

> > > > me

> > > > > for my help, commented on me, A cunning man, I dont know he

> and

> > > > many

> > > > > others have contributed more in widening the gap in between

> me

> > and

> > > > > Priya. I dont know if he is still in touch with her, or all

> was

> > > > planned

> > > > > by them togather. I dont know anything.

> > > > >

> > > > > I still dont know who this Priya was and where she lives

in,

> If

> > > > she is a

> > > > > girl or a game of those guys who wanted me to look down in

> that

> > > >

> > > > > Group. coz, when i started searching her, what i found is,

in

> > > > mphasis

> > > > > there is only one Priya Tiwari, who works with a BPO, she

> was

> > not

> > > > a

> > > > > Software Engineer and she never lived in Bombay, She was in

> > Noida

> > > > > itself. For ur satisfaction, I can post my mails to HR

> > department

> > > > of

> > > > > Mphasis.

> > > > >

> > > > > I dont know what happend to her, This BPO priya, i also

have

> > not

> > > > met

> > > > > her, looks different than the other Priya whom i was

> searching.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, Dear old friend, Check ur Prashna Chart skills more and

> > more,

> > > > Baiscs

> > > > > are correct, ur interpretition is quite wrong and u have

not

> > got

> > > > enough

> > > > > experience in life to judge me and realities.

> > > > >

> > > > > whatever be is Vedanga or Shastra, I wanted to let u know

> every

> > > > bit of

> > > > > knowledge is divine and pavitra. Leave the arrogance and

> start

> > > > doing

> > > > > preperation for ur journey that u have to do in near future.

> > > > >

> > > > > If any one in the Group, can give light on this Priya's

> case,

> > coz

> > > > i had

> > > > > soft feelings for her despite all her lies, I w'd be

grateful

> > > > otherwise

> > > > > it's OK. Can u tell me how and where she is and if she

really

> > > > exists,

> > > > > and if any occult people can help me in establishing a

> contact

> > > > with her

> > > > > if she really exists w'd be good for me. I w'd pay whatever

u

> > > > demand.

> > > > > Will any one take the challange ? i wont ask u what u cant

> do,

> > I

> > > > > promise.

> > > > >

> > > > > I didn't tell about Preeti and Priya to Pandit ji it was not

> > > > necessary,

> > > > > better if he w'd have told me sth about them, but Pandit Ji

> all

> > > > the time

> > > > > kept telling me about my Karmic Balance of the previous

> birth,

> > It

> > > > was me

> > > > > who gave him hints abot the spirit, Not he, he didnt tell

me

> > any

> > > > thing

> > > > > about the spirit and when i told him about the spirti's

> > storey, he

> > > > said

> > > > > he has seen it Prashan chart, tell me where i was wrong, I

> > asked

> > > > him to

> > > > > give me Prashan Chart, he denied.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear old friend, why u could not see in ur's prashna chart

> the

> > > > Saturn

> > > > > who got me occupied me during my Puja, I was not sleeping,

I

> > saw

> > > > him

> > > > > with open eyes.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pls. check ur's prashna chart and I w'd request Mr. Rafal to

> > > > interefere

> > > > > and tell me about Priya, coz, i m having some pain, I dont

> know

> > > > anything

> > > > > , any truth of Priya Tiwari. I have her photograpgh that

she

> > sent

> > > > to me

> > > > > which differs from the Priya whom i discovered in mphasis.

> > > > >

> > > > > Will any one come to help me ?

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

> > <mohanraaam@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Abhishek:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Know the difference between shastraas and the

> > vedaangas.....you

> > > > > > think an astrologer and a yogi like me would not have

> known

> > all

> > > > > > these! siksha, kalpam, chandas, mimamsa,nruktam and

> Jyotisam

> > are

> > > > > > the vedangas. Don't confuse the 18 shastras or the 64

> mighty

> > arts

> > > > > > with vedanga. You are shallow young man but are trying to

> > pass

> > > > > > judgments on great branches of knowledge and great

persons

> of

> > > > > > knowledge. I am 86 years old and have lived a full life

> with

> > a

> > > > > > happy wife and 4 intelligent, well-settled children. Not a

> > > > > > frustrated unmarried luckless youngman like you!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Whatever you said to Panditji...I do not know because he

> has

> > not

> > > > > > divulged the complete exchange inthe forum...I think he

> > should

> > > > > > probably do that to expose your arrogance and idiocy

> levels

> > to

> > > > this

> > > > > > group......

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You may say that you did not have affairs - then what do

> you

> > > > tell of

> > > > > > a thing when you go after ladies and get heart-broken

when

> > they

> > > > > > reject your proposal? You could not proceed to the level

> of a

> > > > > > mutual affair because they did not entertain you at all!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have not commented on my finding about Priya/

> > preeti.....I am

> > > > > > sure it is correct! And definitely your failures in this

> > regard

> > > > > > would have been a butt of jokes in your circle. I can bet

> on

> > > > that.

> > > > > > But definitely you will come out with your own versions

to

> > deny

> > > > this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Did you tell all this to Guruji? I am sure you would not

> have

> > > > > > shared it in this light - but mark my words, he would

have

> > found

> > > > it

> > > > > > out definitely! Only thing is - he is too decent to hurt

> > others

> > > > > > unnecessarily.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your posts are not clear....you are saying this and that

> > without

> > > > > > actually commenting on what others have written. Don't

pass

> > > > > > judgement on astrology or its efficacy.Astrology is a

basic

> > > > > > technique that one learns before predicting - but advanced

> > > > > > astrologers read far more into charts than what they

> indicate

> > > > from

> > > > > > conventional astrological classics - it is an applied

> field

> > and

> > > > the

> > > > > > horoscope is just a focus and an accessory tool for

> > prediction in

> > > > > > the hands of the greatest masters of this field.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Definitely you are not one to comment on the need of

> > astrological

> > > > > > research without knowing the basic vedic etiquettes of

> > behaving

> > > > with

> > > > > > learned astrologers!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Definitely Guruji's wise counsel have been useless to

you -

> a

> > > > > > buffalo will cherish only the muddy waters - will it know

> the

> > > > > > differnece between Ganges and the gutter?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One suggestion young man - try to go into Guruji's mails

> > > > carefully

> > > > > > and quietly. His words are worth their weight in gold

> > usually.

> > > > > > Many have benefitted by his counsel - do not try to look

> > > > for " your

> > > > > > own version of truths " from his writings. If you do that,

> it

> > is a

> > > > > > waste of whatever money you paid Panditji. Understand his

> > > > counsel,

> > > > > > try to follow them, and you will do fine. But, stop

> > insulting and

> > > > > > passing unnecessary remarks on astrology and need for

> > > > astrological

> > > > > > development. Some self-seeking astrologers - capitalizing

> on

> > the

> > > > > > craze of Indian public for " scientific " research, " modern

> > > > research

> > > > > > into old classics " etc, have written volumes about the

> need

> > for

> > > > > > evolution of astrology whereas the reality is those who

> > follow

> > > > > > ancient classical wisdom have proved more efficient in

all

> > these

> > > > > > predictive techniques than those " researchers " . Parampara

> > has its

> > > > > > own significance. You still eat through your mouth though

> > times

> > > > > > have changed (I am assuming here; or are you eating

> through

> > the

> > > > > > other end for novelty sake?). In the same way, nature has

> not

> > > > > > changed only certain outer manifestations have changed.

> Only

> > > > minor

> > > > > > modification of interpretaions are needed to suit

> > predictions to

> > > > > > modern day life and definitely there are not much gaps.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mohanraaam.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol "

> > mishra.lalit@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I cant say u " Idiot " and wont speak to u using level of

> > ur's

> > > > > > language,

> > > > > > > ok, Pls. check ur's Prashna Skills 100 times and

> discover

> > more

> > > > > > about me.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And my love affairs, I had no affair with any one,

> right,

> > check

> > > > > > it in

> > > > > > > ur Prashan Chart, however, when marriage came in my

> mind, i

> > > > came in

> > > > > > > touch with girls, liked two or three of them, ok, they

> > didn't

> > > > like

> > > > > > me,

> > > > > > > It happens. It was me who beforehand informed Panditji

as

> > > > inputs

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > required to reach somewhere.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > See, i can say, the basic finding of ur prashan chart

> like

> > > > break

> > > > > > ups is

> > > > > > > true, but is little it misleading too, as no brak up in

> > sense

> > > > of

> > > > > > > break-up happened as no affiar even started, sometimes,

u

> > > > should

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > careful more in reaching ur conclusions, that's why i

> say,

> > more

> > > > > > and more

> > > > > > > remains to discover, It's - " Apaurusheya "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Well, can u tell, in the storey, u posted in group,

> where

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > > " P-Priya, Preti etc.. " ? I will be more than happy to

> see

> > ur

> > > > > > findings,

> > > > > > > What Guruji said was completely different from u, I

> > discussed

> > > > > > with him

> > > > > > > why i dont get proposals from girls even having average

> > looks,

> > > > He

> > > > > > said

> > > > > > > to me, You change utr attitude and consider such

> > proposals, i

> > > > > > further

> > > > > > > asked him is it a big expectation to find a nice sweet

> > person,

> > > > i

> > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > think a model or actress but a girl with little good

> looks

> > and

> > > > good

> > > > > > > nature, even it is difficult, if it is difficult, i was

> > asking

> > > > him

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > describing him about me, my needs, my thoughts.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > and on what u did write - " And your posts about

> astrology

> > in

> > > > your

> > > > > > > arguments with Shri. Abhishek also clearly protray your

> > idiocy!

> > > > > > You are

> > > > > > > asking why Astrology

> > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other

things?

> > > > Idiot -

> > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas and

> not

> > > > > > > Engineering......You do not know all this

> classifications

> > and

> > > > are

> > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to

comment

> on

> > > > > > > subjects without knowing them "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pls study " Shulb Sutras " ok, U will find, Engineering

is

> > there,

> > > > > > > Mathmatics is there, Ayourveda as medical science is

> there.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You are showing u r too full of urself, somtimes it

> > happens to

> > > > few

> > > > > > > people.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

> > > > <mohanraaam@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Lalith:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You " demanded " Panditji's phone no. and he

> refused....you

> > > > think

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > has no right to do that? It is his privacy...when you

> > have

> > > > been

> > > > > > > > pestering him over email how much more irresponsible

> you

> > > > would

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > been if he had given his phone no.? You think

Panditji

> > has

> > > > time

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > spend on worthless brats like you who think the world

> is

> > > > > > revolving

> > > > > > > > around them? He has sent you an audio recording of the

> > > > mantra -

> > > > > > > > what else you need to know? Is the Great Man your

> slave

> > or

> > > > what

> > > > > > > > that you can demand everything that you want from

him?

> > He is

> > > > too

> > > > > > > > proud for that!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You have no right to expect anything except service

> for

> > your

> > > > > > > > payment - assuming you have made some payment to

> Guruji!

> > Do

> > > > you

> > > > > > > > think you have bought him just because you asked his

> > > > service? I

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > sure you would have written something silly like this

> > (your

> > > > > > current

> > > > > > > > post is in itself silly) that annoyed Panditji! You

> say

> > the

> > > > > > matter

> > > > > > > > is over - but you keep on saying things as if

Panditji

> > has

> > > > done a

> > > > > > > > mistake and you are justified.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And your posts about astrology in your arguments with

> > Shri.

> > > > > > Abhishek

> > > > > > > > also clearly protray your idiocy! You are asking why

> > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other

> things?

> > > > Idiot -

> > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas

> and

> > not

> > > > > > > > Engineering......You do not know all this

> classifications

> > > > and are

> > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to

> comment

> > on

> > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I just checked up a prashna chart to see what sort of

> > person

> > > > you

> > > > > > > > are.....From this, try to understand what all

> astrology

> > is

> > > > > > capable

> > > > > > > > of.....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Last year you would have proposed to a Lady - and your

> > > > failure

> > > > > > was a

> > > > > > > > widely circulated joke in your social circle.....is

it

> > true

> > > > or

> > > > > > not?

> > > > > > > > Just understand - people have made fun of you only

> > because of

> > > > > > > > your " loser " attitude. You are childish in your

> attitude;

> > > > this is

> > > > > > > > one reason why women in your life are running away

> from

> > you.

> > > > > > Guruji

> > > > > > > > has just hinted on love failures in his post - but my

> > prashna

> > > > > > > > clearly indicates they have rejected you outright

after

> > > > initial

> > > > > > > > interactions with you because you have been " chasing "

> > them

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > troubling them with undiplomatic messages

> persistently.

> > Your

> > > > last

> > > > > > > > serious connection when the lady rejected your

> proposal -

> > her

> > > > > > name

> > > > > > > > is likely to be in the " pa " varga (preeti, Priya,

etc.

> > any of

> > > > > > these -

> > > > > > > > you may think I have not found the right name - but

> > knowing

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > initial word of a person about whom I know nothing is

> in

> > > > itself

> > > > > > > > difficult - and no amount of research in scientific

> > > > astrology can

> > > > > > > > give the exact name! Don't think your " researches "

will

> > > > > > > > automatically pave the way to find the name and

glorify

> > > > > > astrology -

> > > > > > > > because that is not possible!)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now do you understand what an astrologer is capable

of!

> > > > Guruji is

> > > > > > > > too decent to insult you by writing like this -

> > definitely he

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > have found out all these. He would have counselled

you

> > about

> > > > > > change

> > > > > > > > of attitude mainly regarding this....you would not

> have

> > got

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > hint. Yet in message after message you are justifying

> and

> > > > > > > > projecting as if your grievance is genuine.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Heights of arrogance - thinking you have the right to

> > > > disturb a

> > > > > > > > learned senior astrologer as and when you want! I am

> > > > associated

> > > > > > > > with Panditji for so long and yet I do not have his

> > mobile

> > > > no. do

> > > > > > > > you know that? He has email id and he is very prompt

> in

> > his

> > > > > > replies

> > > > > > > > through that. Do you know anything of that great man

> or

> > his

> > > > daily

> > > > > > > > schedules? He has not merely one client like you - but

> > > > thosands

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > admirers, students, disciples, and clients all over

the

> > > > world. If

> > > > > > > > all start calling Guruji will he ever have time for

> > himself?

> > > > That

> > > > > > > > is why he is not giving the mobile. Your post speaks

> as

> > if

> > > > he is

> > > > > > > > hiding himself.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is probably his mistake that he is helping out

> people

> > like

> > > > > > you -

> > > > > > > > the great man does not differentiate much and tries

to

> > help

> > > > out

> > > > > > > > suffering people even if they are undeserving.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Try to change your attitude for your own good. Improve

> > > > yourself

> > > > > > > > before trying to comment on great fields like

> astrology,

> > > > about

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > you do not know even a speck. There are no gaps in

> > > > astrological

> > > > > > > > knowledge. Enough knowledge has been documented as

> Shri.

> > > > Potti

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > written in his post.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mohanraaam.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > .vedic astrology , " litsol "

> > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear primusjyotish,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You are right, in fact differences begane, when i

> asked

> > > > Pandit

> > > > > > Ji's

> > > > > > > > > phone nos to communicate to him, he refused to give

> his

> > > > nos, I

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > surprised, being a client, paying for the

> consultation

> > a

> > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > communication is required, so at least a

> communication

> > over

> > > > > > phone

> > > > > > > > > should happen, It was refused, he recommened a

> mantra,

> > i

> > > > was

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > on it's pronunciation, the rerequest to tell right

> > > > > > pronunciation

> > > > > > > > over

> > > > > > > > > phone was also refused, then a copy of charts made

> was

> > > > refused.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I didnt come to group for so many refusals.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And there were two contradictory explanations , the

> > timing

> > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > very wide for an event - one year and it was said

> that

> > it's

> > > > > > > > conditional

> > > > > > > > > too, I was not understanding what to conclude and

> then

> > > > pandit

> > > > > > Ji

> > > > > > > > posted

> > > > > > > > > my private communication partly in the group. Later,

> > > > pandit ji

> > > > > > > > provided

> > > > > > > > > me sound files of the mantras, ok, my confusion on

> > > > > > pronunciation

> > > > > > > > > removed.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now, it is over, and i dont want to discuss it

> further.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Jyotish

> > > > Volunteers "

> > > > > > > > > <primusjyotishi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > One would not consult a doctor for his physical

> > ailments

> > > > or a

> > > > > > > > > > psychiatrist for his mental ailments through

> > internet.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this is why many like Sri K.N. Rao

strongly

> > > > recommend

> > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > seeking solutions to serious matters via internet

> > and to

> > > > use

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > tested procedure of face-to-face, in-person

> > consultation.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Convenience gets in the way and causes more pain

> > > > ultimately,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > need to get the answer here and now,

> > unfortunately ...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol "

> > > > > > mishra.lalit@

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Pandit Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I bought a service and had a private

> communication,

> > > > it's at

> > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > sight

> > > > > > > > > > > wrong for u to post any part of private

> > communication

> > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > consent.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > U cant imagine anything solely at ur end, if i

> > myself

> > > > gave

> > > > > > u

> > > > > > > > hints

> > > > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > > possible obstacle due to spirit, how i m going

> to

> > fear

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > thing

> > > > > > > > > > or the

> > > > > > > > > > > other. This should not be basis of not providing

> > > > > > infomation.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You are at advanced level, which is realized by

> > many

> > > > that's

> > > > > > > > why u

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > being contacted, but that u r into deciding

> > everything

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > profession one

> > > > > > > > > > > sided, can not be justified.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Though, i wanted chart for keeping in my

> records,

> > with

> > > > no

> > > > > > > > doubts on

> > > > > > > > > > u,

> > > > > > > > > > > ur apporach makes me think otherwise.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In any profession, transparency is key to gain

> > one's

> > > > faith

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > that u

> > > > > > > > > > > didn't bother this, on the basis of ur advanced

> > level u

> > > > > > pls.

> > > > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > > > > > justify what is incorrect, it's a pity that u

> make

> > ur

> > > > mood

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > post

> > > > > > > > > > > private communication and at the same time, in

ur

> > > > reply to

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > private

> > > > > > > > > > > mail id, u accused me that i can post ur

advanced

> > > > > > technique in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > group, I dont know how to react.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > That's a clear contradiction, I was interested

> in

> > the

> > > > final

> > > > > > > > outcome

> > > > > > > > > > > which is chart, i should know that, and not in

> ur's

> > > > > > technique

> > > > > > > > but u

> > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > made it a public issue instread of giving same

> to

> > me.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Why development of ancient knowledge has come

to

> an

> > > > end is

> > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > this fear which i dont know why some

knowledgable

> > > > people

> > > > > > like u

> > > > > > > > > > > insttalled within.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I wish to assure u that ur respect is no way

> > > > corroborated

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > intact in

> > > > > > > > > > > my views, i m also thankful to u for the

> remedies

> > and

> > > > > > mantras u

> > > > > > > > > > provided

> > > > > > > > > > > to me, even if that dont work, i will have same

> > respect

> > > > > > for u

> > > > > > > > but u

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > completely wrong at ur part in ur dealings.

Pls.

> > check

> > > > ur

> > > > > > > > dasha and

> > > > > > > > > > > antardasha, something wrong somewhere.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic-

> > > > astrology , " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting an extract of the interaction

> > between

> > > > myself

> > > > > > > > and one

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > this list members who wanted a prediction

from

> > me. I

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > counselling based on his horoscope and also

> > based on

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart. Marital chart showed marital delays and

> > > > problem

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > love

> > > > > > > > > > > > matters which he has already experienced. The

> > prashna

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > showed

> > > > > > > > > > > > the possibility of " Paisacha baadha " (trouble

> > due to

> > > > > > ghostly

> > > > > > > > > > > > entities that block happiness in the family).

> I

> > had

> > > > taken

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > matter into account and not wanting to scare

> the

> > > > member

> > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily, I had not divulged the matter

> to

> > him.

> > > > > > > > Instead, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > suggested beeja mantras to counteract that

> > effect and

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > suggested " Sumangali Pooja " to be performed.

> He

> > later

> > > > > > came

> > > > > > > > back to

> > > > > > > > > > > > me and asked about the ghostly events himself

> > > > because his

> > > > > > > > family

> > > > > > > > > > > > members have had visitations from that

entity.

> I

> > > > replied

> > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > > > saying that I have already taken that factor

> into

> > > > account

> > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > > giving my suggestions.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The prashna chart showed that the entity is

> > likely to

> > > > > > leave

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Earth Plane by this year end and so it cannot

> > trouble

> > > > > > him any

> > > > > > > > > > > > longer. So, based on that and also based on

his

> > > > > > horoscope,

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > having faith in the remedies I had suggested,

> I

> > had

> > > > > > predicted

> > > > > > > > > > > > possibility of marriage in Feb 2008 or in

2009.

> > > > Actually,

> > > > > > > > dasa-

> > > > > > > > > > > > bhukti and transit influences are quite tough

> and

> > > > > > > > contradictory

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > this event and I had taken so many factors and

> > > > > > > > balanced/counter-

> > > > > > > > > > > > balanced so many possibilities and had

> predicted

> > the

> > > > > > date as

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > Benediction; let the marriage happen in Feb

> > 2008! I

> > > > had

> > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > > > to the extent of suggesting attitude

> modification

> > > > (he may

> > > > > > > > not get

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > wife of his expectations) for the marriage to

> > > > happen; or

> > > > > > > > else it

> > > > > > > > > > > > might even be denied.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the member has been persisting about

> > sharing the

> > > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > with him. I had given him broad hints about

> why I

> > > > though

> > > > > > > > Paisacha

> > > > > > > > > > > > baadha was there for him; but he insists that

I

> > > > share the

> > > > > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart and give the complete details to him,

or

> > else

> > > > I am

> > > > > > > > unfair!

> > > > > > > > > > My

> > > > > > > > > > > > reservation regarding this is that prashna is

> an

> > > > advanced

> > > > > > > > > > > > application and sharing its techniques

offhand

> > may be

> > > > > > > > confusing

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > may lead the native into reading too much

into

> > each

> > > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > and fear paisacha baadha when infact it might

> > not be

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > at all!

> > > > > > > > > > > > He does not understand me and is getting at me

> > > > prompting

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > write

> > > > > > > > > > > > mail after mail and I am at my patience's

end!

> > If I

> > > > spend

> > > > > > > > > > pointless

> > > > > > > > > > > > time debating like this with one person how

> can I

> > > > serve

> > > > > > > > > > > > others.....Why does not this member

understand

> > this?

> > > > Not

> > > > > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > > > > > > sensitive prashna charts is a hallowed

> > > > tradition......Am

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > justified in my action when I have acted in

> the

> > best

> > > > > > > > interests of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the member?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting the latest exchange between us

> for

> > your

> > > > > > > > reference. I

> > > > > > > > > > > > request those who are knowledgeable in

> authentic

> > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > > traditions

> > > > > > > > > > > > to write to the member (He is the person who

is

> > > > cutting

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > pasting

> > > > > > > > > > > > the Garga Hora in this list) telling him that

> I

> > am

> > > > > > justified

> > > > > > > > in my

> > > > > > > > > > > > stand, and I am doing it in the best

> interests.

> > He

> > > > does

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > understand the danger of maintaining the

> prashna

> > > > chart

> > > > > > > > indicating

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > paisacha baadha which is inauspicious! I am

> > pained

> > > > by his

> > > > > > > > words

> > > > > > > > > > > > like " Your are hiding something; hiding

things

> is

> > > > not a

> > > > > > sign

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > fairness " etc. It is almost like accusing me

of

> > > > being a

> > > > > > > > cheat!

> > > > > > > > > > Again

> > > > > > > > > > > > he comment on my professionalism; I am acting

> as

> > per

> > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > professional

> > > > > > > > > > > > ethics; why is he - a novice imputing motives

> to

> > me

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > commenting

> > > > > > > > > > > > on my professionalism? Is this what an

> astrologer

> > > > gets

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > service?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Below is the extract....

> > > > > > > > > > > > -------------

-

> --

> > ----

> > > > ----

> > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > -----

> > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith Mishra:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Unnecessary openness in the name of frankness

> is

> > the

> > > > > > bane of

> > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > society now-a-days. Will you go out in the

> nude

> > on

> > > > the

> > > > > > public

> > > > > > > > > > roads

> > > > > > > > > > > > just to prove you have nothing to hide? Asking

> > > > advanced

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > unique

> > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques of a practising

> > professional

> > > > > > > > persistently

> > > > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > > > after he has denied access to that knowledge

> is

> > very

> > > > > > rude .

> > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > access to that knowledge was denied because

it

> > can be

> > > > > > > > > > misinterpreted

> > > > > > > > > > > > and if you post that " technique " in the VA

> list,

> > many

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > > > > will get anxious (just as some members are

> > wondering

> > > > > > what is

> > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > > with their horoscopes with the Garga Hora

> > posting of

> > > > > > yours!)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > What do I have to gain by withholding

> > information? I

> > > > am

> > > > > > too

> > > > > > > > > > > > advanced in my profession to be taking advice

> > from

> > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > regarding

> > > > > > > > > > > > what is the professional way of handling my

> > clients.

> > > > I

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > malefic intentions, and your accusing me of

> being

> > > > unfair

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > rude

> > > > > > > > > > (in

> > > > > > > > > > > > fact each of your mails contains something or

> the

> > > > other).

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I can assure you only one thing - I have

acted

> > in the

> > > > > > best of

> > > > > > > > > > > > intentions.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting this in the VA list so that other

> > > > learned

> > > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > > might

> > > > > > > > > > > > put some wisdom into you (I have failed in

> this

> > with

> > > > my

> > > > > > > > repeated

> > > > > > > > > > > > replies to you).

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " Lalit Mishra, Noida " mlalit@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Res. Pandit Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > On the one hand , I m thankful to you for all

> ur

> > > > analysis

> > > > > > > > and I

> > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > follow ur instructions but on the other I

must

> > say

> > > > don't

> > > > > > > > seem fair

> > > > > > > > > > > > enough in ur professional approach.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Hiding things is not a sign of fairness.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If I knew astrology, perhapse I w'd not have

> > asked u

> > > > for

> > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > > simple

> > > > > > > > > > > > things or charts, required to keep in my

> > records. My

> > > > > > level

> > > > > > > > is not

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > constraint for u to share important charts, if

> > > > tomorrow I

> > > > > > > > need to

> > > > > > > > > > > > contact u for sth, how I w'd do without any

> > > > reference.

> > > > > > If I

> > > > > > > > ask

> > > > > > > > > > u, u

> > > > > > > > > > > > should not hold things at ur's end and u

don't

> > gain

> > > > any

> > > > > > > > thing with

> > > > > > > > > > > > ur approach.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> >

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