Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Dear Dr. Kursija: Nothing can be for certain in life....In fact, I believe nothing is impossible......But, it is all a matter of prioritisation........There are simple mantras that will give benefit to everyone......so, anybody can be a mantra shastraic practitioner without any restrictions; but, if you are asking " Can I become an expert without undergoing rigorous disciplines? " ........The answer will be " No.....It is not possible; with time, you may attain some powers if you can be consistent in spending at least sometime every day regularly over many years......but siddhis of a Higher level are definitely not easily obtained. " I have personal experience of handling persons who have had residual siddhis due to previous saadhanaas and have thought that the power will be with them constantly, but they have lost in due course because they have not done anything in this life. My own father was an expert in " Kshetra Ganitham " , and could tell logarithmic values just like that when he was just 3 years old without any training or education whatsoever! But, as he grew up, his ability in mathematics is still there, but he is nowhere near the prodigious powers he displayed as a child. This is one example of residual powers in an individual; even this is a result of previous life saadhanaas or siddhis. They get burnt out easily with time if they are not renewed. Of couse, a person with a large quantum of residual siddhis may spend a full lifetime enjoying automated siddhis, but he is doing a disservice to himself by not renewing those powers. On a different note, let me tell one thing......These siddhis usually seek spiritual aspirants with a good attitude automatically; Rishis never sought after siddhis. They sought after enlightenment. Vaak siddhi was rather a by-product in their progress. Those who " seek " siddhis voluntarily should indeed be willing to spend time and energy. I believe no body is busy enough to say that " I have no time for siddhis " . If I - a person handling thousands of mails and requests per day can spend time on japams, I do now know why others will not have time (I do not claim I possess any power, but I just do my rituals as a part of my Duty as a Vedic Brahmin!) It is all a matter or prioritisation in my opinion. Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija wrote: Respected Pandit ji, Thanks for the response.Does it mean that a person like me living in city like Delhi and leading a busy life can not acquire these gifts of Rishees. With regards. --- " Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI " wrote: > Dear Dr.Kursija: > > if one wants to be a champion sportsman, he has to > train hard - of course there may be different > training > techniques and there may be " difference of opinion " > as > to the best training routines....yet, a person > trying > to become a champion should select some routine and > train is it not? Then, he/she has to select a good > coach to guide during the training, and later sweat > it > out by running miles, lifting pound after pound, > regulating every routine of life according to set > principles of work-out, recovery and rest under > careful guidance of a good coach.....And then a > person > becomes a champion, or many even drop out in the > middle. > > > There is no short-cut to reaching the highest levels > of any field; mantra shastra is no exception. > > I think I have answered you - though indirectly. > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > --- sckursija wrote: > > > Respected Sh.Dakshna Moorty ji, > > Pranam, > > Will you spare some time to advise about me what > is > > Vaak siddhi and > > how it can be attained for a man like me? > > Any book on remedies with simple rules to apply, > as > > in classic Mantra > > Shastra selection of mantra accrding to individual > > in not easy. I have > > Mantra Mahodadhi, and other books from > > Allahabad,Dasa vidya etc with > > mantra from one word to 28 or more words. Which > one > > is to select is a > > hard nut to crack.There is difference of opinion > > also on mantra > > composition. Please guide. > > With regards and respect. > > vedic astrology , > > " dakshinastrologer " > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri. Dheeraj: > > > > > > First things first.....Please do not type a mail > > in all caps....In > > > netiquette it is considered as shouting..... > > > > > > Regarding remedies, an astrologer who analyzes > the > > horoscope but does > > > not provide remedies is like a physician who > > refuses to give > > > medicines but will only analyze what ailments > have > > struck the patient. > > > > > > Remedies suggested without mercenary intentions > > with the pure > > > intention of helping the seeker really work > > miraculously. There are > > > times when the effects border on paranormal or > > supernatural. > > > > > > Suggesting remedies requires practical > application > > of principles and > > > the really qualified and experienced astrologers > > do take liberties > > > while suggesting remedies - like they may > > interpret the situation > > > broadly and like lawyers filing petitions, they > > may suggest modified > > > remedies. For instance, if Raahu is afflicted > the > > general remedy > > > will be Naaga pratishta, or visit to Shri > > Kaalahasti or Shri > > > Naageshwaram temple in Tanjore district. But, > an > > intelligent > > > astrologer who knows the planetary dispositions > > and indications > > > concerning everything can suggest a simpler > remedy > > for a person who > > > cannot make these trips (supposing the native is > > abroad....) Worship > > > of Goddess Durga is suggested; of course there > is > > Dasa Mahaa Vidyaa > > > based remedy; Worshipping Lord Hanumaan's tail > is > > another remedy. > > > Getting the blessings of Maternal grandmother is > > another remedy! > > > Gems can be suggested. Offering Vadamaala to > > Hanumaan can be > > > suggested. Gifting of Gems can be suggested. > > Offering Kaamadhenu > > > pooja can be suggested.....The list is almost > > endless! > > > > > > The astrologer should use intelligence, > intuition, > > and practical > > > application of astrological principles > considering > > the horoscopic > > > factors involved. > > > > > > Though it seems to be complicated, in reality it > > is not so. It seems > > > complicated when I try to explain it. > > > > > > The bottom line is...remedies work well if the > > person who suggests it > > > has some Vaak siddhi (the astrologer should deem > > it a duty to do > > > regular japas for this purpose), the client/ > > questioner should have > > > unassailable faith (without faith the whole > > purpose of astrological > > > consultation is null!), and the remedies should > be > > timed by the > > > astrologer intelligently. For instance, yantras > > work best ONLY if > > > the questioner is having auspicious Jupiter > > transits with respect to > > > natal Moon. Otherwise, energization of the > yantra > > has to be very > > > intense to give results. There are set > conditions > > like that. If all > > > these are taken into account, remedies do give > > miraculous results. > > > > > > DEFINITELY THEY ARE NOT MERE PLACEBOS! > (Sometimes, > > when nothing is > > > going to work, placebos are offered. That is, > the > > remedy may not > > > give a direct impact on the situation because it > > is beyond our hands; > > > even in those cases, the simple prayers > suggested > > are not a waste of > > > time or resources as they are going to alter the > > karmic balance > > > sheet). > > > > > > Time and again, my experience has shown that > > remedies have almost > > > altered Fatalistic elements. Of course, as I > work > > at a level where > > > people approach me as the last stop or last > > recourse, there have been > > > failures too! > > > > > > I might have written before, but I will write it > > again....Remedies > > > are like filing clemency petition....It is up to > > the President > > > (Almighty) to see if it can be offered. The > > astrologer is like the > > > defense lawyer and a good and ethical God-loving > > astrologer can > > > indeed represent his client's case intelligently > > and forcefully to > > > Divinities and Planets. If the client > cooperates > > by good behaviour > > > and attitudes, the chances of the petition being > > granted are high. > > > But, if the client jumps bail (does something > that > > is not supposed to > > > be done during the deeksha in this case - may it > > be eating things > > > that are prohibited, indulging in unethical acts > > that the astrologer > > > has specifically asked to avoid, or refusing to > do > > a part of the > > > remedy thinking that it is too insignificant, > > etc.), the lawyer (here > > > the astrologer) is helpless. The Judge/ > President > > (God or other > > > Divine Entities) are impartial, and their final > > judgement will be > > > correct no matter whether it is in our favour or > > not! > > > > > > This is the attitude and mentality with which I > > approach remedies. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > vedic astrology , dheeraj > > khosla > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > NAMASKAR RESPECTED PANDITS AND MEMBERS, > > > > > > > I HAVE ONE SERIOUS AND STRAIGHT > > FORWARD QUERY > > > REGARDING REMEDIES. > > > > CAN REMEDY REALY WORKS WELL ? OR > JUST > > A PSHYCOLOGICAL > > > SUPPORT TO STRENTHEN MOON ( MANN OR > > CHITT). > > > > > > > > DONT YOU SENIOR MEMBERS THINK THAT > EVEN > > ONE HAVE TO > > > SEE WHETHER REMEDIES IS DESTINED IN > PARTICULAR > > HOROSCOPE ( > > > case) OR NOT. IF OTHERWISE IN SOME > > CONDITIONS PLANETS > > > GIVE STRAAIGHT FORWARD RESULTS ( whether > good > > or bad) , HENCE > > > NO SCOPE OF REMEDY ,WHAT SO EVER !!......... > > THIS IS I WANT > > > TO KNOW FOR COMMON MAN NOT FOR YOGIS > AND > > CONCIOUSS SOULS( > > > they r exceptions i know). > > > > > > > > AND SOME TIMES MATTERS OF FAITH ARISES. > > > BUT I GENUINLY > > > WANTS EXPERIENCES OF SENIOR ASTROLOGERS LIKE > > PT . > > > DAKSHINAMOORTHY JI, RAFALJI, MOHANRAMJI, PT. > > ARJUNJI . > > > > > > > > I AM NOT TALKING BOOKISH ISSUES, JUST > I > > AM TALKING > > > REAL , OBSERVED EXPERIENCES OF REMEDIES BY > > > GREAT ASTROLOGERS. > > > === message truncated === > > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > ASTROLOGICAL AND REMEDIAL CONSULTANT > Plot no. 1/29 > Eleventh Street > Babanagar > Villivakkam > Chennai 600 049. > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000. Store N number of mails in > your inbox. 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Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Repected Dakshinamoorthyji, From where can I get to know which mantra can provide me which siddhi... Or does it comes automatically according to ones birth chart, if he keeps on doing japa of mantras he has been told since childhood or at a later stage. Is there any specific methodology for this? Pranam, Amit Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI <dakshinastrologer S.C. Kursija <sckursija Cc: vedic astrology Friday, August 3, 2007 1:26:20 PM [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE , OBSERVED AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER Dear Dr. Kursija: Nothing can be for certain in life....In fact, I believe nothing is impossible.. .....But, it is all a matter of prioritisation. .......There are simple mantras that will give benefit to everyone.... ..so, anybody can be a mantra shastraic practitioner without any restrictions; but, if you are asking " Can I become an expert without undergoing rigorous disciplines? " ........ The answer will be " No.....It is not possible; with time, you may attain some powers if you can be consistent in spending at least sometime every day regularly over many years......but siddhis of a Higher level are definitely not easily obtained. " I have personal experience of handling persons who have had residual siddhis due to previous saadhanaas and have thought that the power will be with them constantly, but they have lost in due course because they have not done anything in this life. My own father was an expert in " Kshetra Ganitham " , and could tell logarithmic values just like that when he was just 3 years old without any training or education whatsoever! But, as he grew up, his ability in mathematics is still there, but he is nowhere near the prodigious powers he displayed as a child. This is one example of residual powers in an individual; even this is a result of previous life saadhanaas or siddhis. They get burnt out easily with time if they are not renewed. Of couse, a person with a large quantum of residual siddhis may spend a full lifetime enjoying automated siddhis, but he is doing a disservice to himself by not renewing those powers. On a different note, let me tell one thing......These siddhis usually seek spiritual aspirants with a good attitude automatically; Rishis never sought after siddhis. They sought after enlightenment. Vaak siddhi was rather a by-product in their progress. Those who " seek " siddhis voluntarily should indeed be willing to spend time and energy. I believe no body is busy enough to say that " I have no time for siddhis " . If I - a person handling thousands of mails and requests per day can spend time on japams, I do now know why others will not have time (I do not claim I possess any power, but I just do my rituals as a part of my Duty as a Vedic Brahmin!) It is all a matter or prioritisation in my opinion. Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija > wrote: Respected Pandit ji, Thanks for the response.Does it mean that a person like me living in city like Delhi and leading a busy life can not acquire these gifts of Rishees. With regards. --- " Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI " wrote: > Dear Dr.Kursija: > > if one wants to be a champion sportsman, he has to > train hard - of course there may be different > training > techniques and there may be " difference of opinion " > as > to the best training routines.... yet, a person > trying > to become a champion should select some routine and > train is it not? Then, he/she has to select a good > coach to guide during the training, and later sweat > it > out by running miles, lifting pound after pound, > regulating every routine of life according to set > principles of work-out, recovery and rest under > careful guidance of a good coach.....And then a > person > becomes a champion, or many even drop out in the > middle. > > > There is no short-cut to reaching the highest levels > of any field; mantra shastra is no exception. > > I think I have answered you - though indirectly. > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > --- sckursija wrote: > > > Respected Sh.Dakshna Moorty ji, > > Pranam, > > Will you spare some time to advise about me what > is > > Vaak siddhi and > > how it can be attained for a man like me? > > Any book on remedies with simple rules to apply, > as > > in classic Mantra > > Shastra selection of mantra accrding to individual > > in not easy. I have > > Mantra Mahodadhi, and other books from > > Allahabad,Dasa vidya etc with > > mantra from one word to 28 or more words. Which > one > > is to select is a > > hard nut to crack.There is difference of opinion > > also on mantra > > composition. Please guide. > > With regards and respect. > > vedic astrology, > > " dakshinastrologer " > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri. Dheeraj: > > > > > > First things first.....Please do not type a mail > > in all caps....In > > > netiquette it is considered as shouting.... . > > > > > > Regarding remedies, an astrologer who analyzes > the > > horoscope but does > > > not provide remedies is like a physician who > > refuses to give > > > medicines but will only analyze what ailments > have > > struck the patient. > > > > > > Remedies suggested without mercenary intentions > > with the pure > > > intention of helping the seeker really work > > miraculously. There are > > > times when the effects border on paranormal or > > supernatural. > > > > > > Suggesting remedies requires practical > application > > of principles and > > > the really qualified and experienced astrologers > > do take liberties > > > while suggesting remedies - like they may > > interpret the situation > > > broadly and like lawyers filing petitions, they > > may suggest modified > > > remedies. For instance, if Raahu is afflicted > the > > general remedy > > > will be Naaga pratishta, or visit to Shri > > Kaalahasti or Shri > > > Naageshwaram temple in Tanjore district. But, > an > > intelligent > > > astrologer who knows the planetary dispositions > > and indications > > > concerning everything can suggest a simpler > remedy > > for a person who > > > cannot make these trips (supposing the native is > > abroad....) Worship > > > of Goddess Durga is suggested; of course there > is > > Dasa Mahaa Vidyaa > > > based remedy; Worshipping Lord Hanumaan's tail > is > > another remedy. > > > Getting the blessings of Maternal grandmother is > > another remedy! > > > Gems can be suggested. Offering Vadamaala to > > Hanumaan can be > > > suggested. Gifting of Gems can be suggested. > > Offering Kaamadhenu > > > pooja can be suggested... ..The list is almost > > endless! > > > > > > The astrologer should use intelligence, > intuition, > > and practical > > > application of astrological principles > considering > > the horoscopic > > > factors involved. > > > > > > Though it seems to be complicated, in reality it > > is not so. It seems > > > complicated when I try to explain it. > > > > > > The bottom line is...remedies work well if the > > person who suggests it > > > has some Vaak siddhi (the astrologer should deem > > it a duty to do > > > regular japas for this purpose), the client/ > > questioner should have > > > unassailable faith (without faith the whole > > purpose of astrological > > > consultation is null!), and the remedies should > be > > timed by the > > > astrologer intelligently. For instance, yantras > > work best ONLY if > > > the questioner is having auspicious Jupiter > > transits with respect to > > > natal Moon. Otherwise, energization of the > yantra > > has to be very > > > intense to give results. There are set > conditions > > like that. If all > > > these are taken into account, remedies do give > > miraculous results. > > > > > > DEFINITELY THEY ARE NOT MERE PLACEBOS! > (Sometimes, > > when nothing is > > > going to work, placebos are offered. That is, > the > > remedy may not > > > give a direct impact on the situation because it > > is beyond our hands; > > > even in those cases, the simple prayers > suggested > > are not a waste of > > > time or resources as they are going to alter the > > karmic balance > > > sheet). > > > > > > Time and again, my experience has shown that > > remedies have almost > > > altered Fatalistic elements. Of course, as I > work > > at a level where > > > people approach me as the last stop or last > > recourse, there have been > > > failures too! > > > > > > I might have written before, but I will write it > > again....Remedies > > > are like filing clemency petition.... It is up to > > the President > > > (Almighty) to see if it can be offered. The > > astrologer is like the > > > defense lawyer and a good and ethical God-loving > > astrologer can > > > indeed represent his client's case intelligently > > and forcefully to > > > Divinities and Planets. If the client > cooperates > > by good behaviour > > > and attitudes, the chances of the petition being > > granted are high. > > > But, if the client jumps bail (does something > that > > is not supposed to > > > be done during the deeksha in this case - may it > > be eating things > > > that are prohibited, indulging in unethical acts > > that the astrologer > > > has specifically asked to avoid, or refusing to > do > > a part of the > > > remedy thinking that it is too insignificant, > > etc.), the lawyer (here > > > the astrologer) is helpless. The Judge/ > President > > (God or other > > > Divine Entities) are impartial, and their final > > judgement will be > > > correct no matter whether it is in our favour or > > not! > > > > > > This is the attitude and mentality with which I > > approach remedies. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > vedic astrology, dheeraj > > khosla > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > NAMASKAR RESPECTED PANDITS AND MEMBERS, > > > > > > > I HAVE ONE SERIOUS AND STRAIGHT > > FORWARD QUERY > > > REGARDING REMEDIES. > > > > CAN REMEDY REALY WORKS WELL ? OR > JUST > > A PSHYCOLOGICAL > > > SUPPORT TO STRENTHEN MOON ( MANN OR > > CHITT). > > > > > > > > DONT YOU SENIOR MEMBERS THINK THAT > EVEN > > ONE HAVE TO > > > SEE WHETHER REMEDIES IS DESTINED IN > PARTICULAR > > HOROSCOPE ( > > > case) OR NOT. IF OTHERWISE IN SOME > > CONDITIONS PLANETS > > > GIVE STRAAIGHT FORWARD RESULTS ( whether > good > > or bad) , HENCE > > > NO SCOPE OF REMEDY ,WHAT SO EVER !!......... > > THIS IS I WANT > > > TO KNOW FOR COMMON MAN NOT FOR YOGIS > AND > > CONCIOUSS SOULS( > > > they r exceptions i know). > > > > > > > > AND SOME TIMES MATTERS OF FAITH ARISES. > > > BUT I GENUINLY > > > WANTS EXPERIENCES OF SENIOR ASTROLOGERS LIKE > > PT . > > > DAKSHINAMOORTHY JI, RAFALJI, MOHANRAMJI, PT. > > ARJUNJI . > > > > > > > > I AM NOT TALKING BOOKISH ISSUES, JUST > I > > AM TALKING > > > REAL , OBSERVED EXPERIENCES OF REMEDIES BY > > > GREAT ASTROLOGERS. > > > === message truncated === > > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > ASTROLOGICAL AND REMEDIAL CONSULTANT > Plot no. 1/29 > Eleventh Street > Babanagar > Villivakkam > Chennai 600 049. > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000. Store N number of mails in > your inbox. 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Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 You can keep on chanting the mantras you have been chanting from childhood; obviously your parents or elders in the family will be your Gurus for that. This will definitely give siddhi. It is not the tool per se but the person behind the tool who accomplishes things. The tool is obviously important, but the skill of the person wielding the tool is more important. Similarly, it is not the " mantra " that actually accomplishes....mantras have their own potency....but, it is the person who chants it with right attitude who will get siddhi. Simple sthothras can even get Divine Grace faster if we are devoted. But, if you want to get deeksha mantraas, it is best to get it initiated from a trained and qualified mantra shaastra expert whom you should consider as your Guru. Once you take such a deeksha, you should follow the Guru's traditions and avoid dabbling in other traditions that are contrary to your Guru's teachings. Now, how to select a Guru? or rather ,how to identify a Guru? The person on seeing whom you feel naturally impelled to follow his footsteps (It can be a she also!), on hearing whose words all your doubts seem to get dispelled, on thinking of whom you get motivated at a level where words cannot adquately express those sentiments.....He/ she is your Guru. Guru is Father, Mother, and God rolled into one for an ardent Seeker. It is verily Merit of countless previous lives that can get a Good Guru to an aspirant. Once you have identified such a Guru, do not judge him/ her by normal standards. Obey their bidding. Each Guru may have his/ her own methods of deekshaa....There may be some Gurus who might insist on a deeksha homaa and deeksha abhisheka ritual which might be costly; there might some Gurus who will just touch your space between eyebrows with their right hand thumb or even Right toe and energize you (like Shri Raamakrishna Paramahamsa did to Swami Vivekaanandaa); there might be some Gurus who might slip some old palm leaf inscription with the mantra to your hands and dispose you off! there might be some Gurus who might require you to spend some time in spiritual retreat with them; some who might require that you visit certain Holy Places before meeting them.....the methods are endless. You should not compare or judge your Guru at all once you have taken them as your Spiritual Guide. Humble attitude of surrender to a good Guru will definitely speed up the process of Self Realization and Enlightenment. If this seems impractical to you, try reading works like Mahaabharata (especially Bhagavat Gitaa, and Anusaashana Parvam of that great work), Vajrasuchika Upanishad, Chaandilya Bhakti sutraas, etc. They will act as Gurus for you and give you spiritual insights by God's Grace. Blessed be Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology , Shindi <sinhazz wrote: > > Repected Dakshinamoorthyji, > From where can I get to know which mantra can provide me which siddhi... > Or does it comes automatically according to ones birth chart, if he keeps on doing japa of mantras he has been told since childhood or at a later stage. > Is there any specific methodology for this? > > Pranam, > Amit > > > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI <dakshinastrologer > S.C. Kursija <sckursija > Cc: vedic astrology > Friday, August 3, 2007 1:26:20 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE , OBSERVED AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER > > Dear Dr. Kursija: > > Nothing can be for certain in life....In fact, I believe nothing is impossible.. ....But, it is all a matter of prioritisation. .......There are simple mantras that will give benefit to everyone.... ..so, anybody can be a mantra shastraic practitioner without any restrictions; but, if you are asking " Can I become an expert without undergoing rigorous disciplines? " ........ The answer will be " No.....It is not possible; with time, you may attain some powers if you can be consistent in spending at least sometime every day regularly over many years......but siddhis of a Higher level are definitely not easily obtained. " > > I have personal experience of handling persons who have had residual siddhis due to previous saadhanaas and have thought that the power will be with them constantly, but they have lost in due course because they have not done anything in this life. My own father was an expert in " Kshetra Ganitham " , and could tell logarithmic values just like that when he was just 3 years old without any training or education whatsoever! But, as he grew up, his ability in mathematics is still there, but he is nowhere near the prodigious powers he displayed as a child. This is one example of residual powers in an individual; even this is a result of previous life saadhanaas or siddhis. They get burnt out easily with time if they are not renewed. Of couse, a person with a large quantum of residual siddhis may spend a full lifetime enjoying automated siddhis, but he is doing a disservice to himself by not renewing those powers. > > On a different note, let me tell one thing......These siddhis usually seek spiritual aspirants with a good attitude automatically; Rishis never sought after siddhis. They sought after enlightenment. Vaak siddhi was rather a by-product in their progress. Those who " seek " siddhis voluntarily should indeed be willing to spend time and energy. > > I believe no body is busy enough to say that " I have no time for siddhis " . If I - a person handling thousands of mails and requests per day can spend time on japams, I do now know why others will not have time (I do not claim I possess any power, but I just do my rituals as a part of my Duty as a Vedic Brahmin!) It is all a matter or prioritisation in my opinion. > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija > wrote: > Respected Pandit ji, > Thanks for the response.Does it mean that a person > like me living in city like Delhi and leading a busy > life can not acquire these gifts of Rishees. > With regards. > --- " Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI " > wrote: > > > Dear Dr.Kursija: > > > > if one wants to be a champion sportsman, he has to > > train hard - of course there may be different > > training > > techniques and there may be " difference of opinion " > > as > > to the best training routines.... yet, a person > > trying > > to become a champion should select some routine and > > train is it not? Then, he/she has to select a good > > coach to guide during the training, and later sweat > > it > > out by running miles, lifting pound after pound, > > regulating every routine of life according to set > > principles of work-out, recovery and rest under > > careful guidance of a good coach.....And then a > > person > > becomes a champion, or many even drop out in the > > middle. > > > > > > There is no short-cut to reaching the highest levels > > of any field; mantra shastra is no exception. > > > > I think I have answered you - though indirectly. > > > > Blessed be. > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > --- sckursija wrote: > > > > > Respected Sh.Dakshna Moorty ji, > > > Pranam, > > > Will you spare some time to advise about me what > > is > > > Vaak siddhi and > > > how it can be attained for a man like me? > > > Any book on remedies with simple rules to apply, > > as > > > in classic Mantra > > > Shastra selection of mantra accrding to individual > > > in not easy. I have > > > Mantra Mahodadhi, and other books from > > > Allahabad,Dasa vidya etc with > > > mantra from one word to 28 or more words. Which > > one > > > is to select is a > > > hard nut to crack.There is difference of opinion > > > also on mantra > > > composition. Please guide. > > > With regards and respect. > > > vedic astrology, > > > " dakshinastrologer " > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Dheeraj: > > > > > > > > First things first.....Please do not type a mail > > > in all caps....In > > > > netiquette it is considered as shouting.... . > > > > > > > > Regarding remedies, an astrologer who analyzes > > the > > > horoscope but does > > > > not provide remedies is like a physician who > > > refuses to give > > > > medicines but will only analyze what ailments > > have > > > struck the patient. > > > > > > > > Remedies suggested without mercenary intentions > > > with the pure > > > > intention of helping the seeker really work > > > miraculously. There are > > > > times when the effects border on paranormal or > > > supernatural. > > > > > > > > Suggesting remedies requires practical > > application > > > of principles and > > > > the really qualified and experienced astrologers > > > do take liberties > > > > while suggesting remedies - like they may > > > interpret the situation > > > > broadly and like lawyers filing petitions, they > > > may suggest modified > > > > remedies. For instance, if Raahu is afflicted > > the > > > general remedy > > > > will be Naaga pratishta, or visit to Shri > > > Kaalahasti or Shri > > > > Naageshwaram temple in Tanjore district. But, > > an > > > intelligent > > > > astrologer who knows the planetary dispositions > > > and indications > > > > concerning everything can suggest a simpler > > remedy > > > for a person who > > > > cannot make these trips (supposing the native is > > > abroad....) Worship > > > > of Goddess Durga is suggested; of course there > > is > > > Dasa Mahaa Vidyaa > > > > based remedy; Worshipping Lord Hanumaan's tail > > is > > > another remedy. > > > > Getting the blessings of Maternal grandmother is > > > another remedy! > > > > Gems can be suggested. Offering Vadamaala to > > > Hanumaan can be > > > > suggested. Gifting of Gems can be suggested. > > > Offering Kaamadhenu > > > > pooja can be suggested... ..The list is almost > > > endless! > > > > > > > > The astrologer should use intelligence, > > intuition, > > > and practical > > > > application of astrological principles > > considering > > > the horoscopic > > > > factors involved. > > > > > > > > Though it seems to be complicated, in reality it > > > is not so. It seems > > > > complicated when I try to explain it. > > > > > > > > The bottom line is...remedies work well if the > > > person who suggests it > > > > has some Vaak siddhi (the astrologer should deem > > > it a duty to do > > > > regular japas for this purpose), the client/ > > > questioner should have > > > > unassailable faith (without faith the whole > > > purpose of astrological > > > > consultation is null!), and the remedies should > > be > > > timed by the > > > > astrologer intelligently. For instance, yantras > > > work best ONLY if > > > > the questioner is having auspicious Jupiter > > > transits with respect to > > > > natal Moon. Otherwise, energization of the > > yantra > > > has to be very > > > > intense to give results. There are set > > conditions > > > like that. If all > > > > these are taken into account, remedies do give > > > miraculous results. > > > > > > > > DEFINITELY THEY ARE NOT MERE PLACEBOS! > > (Sometimes, > > > when nothing is > > > > going to work, placebos are offered. That is, > > the > > > remedy may not > > > > give a direct impact on the situation because it > > > is beyond our hands; > > > > even in those cases, the simple prayers > > suggested > > > are not a waste of > > > > time or resources as they are going to alter the > > > karmic balance > > > > sheet). > > > > > > > > Time and again, my experience has shown that > > > remedies have almost > > > > altered Fatalistic elements. Of course, as I > > work > > > at a level where > > > > people approach me as the last stop or last > > > recourse, there have been > > > > failures too! > > > > > > > > I might have written before, but I will write it > > > again....Remedies > > > > are like filing clemency petition.... It is up to > > > the President > > > > (Almighty) to see if it can be offered. The > > > astrologer is like the > > > > defense lawyer and a good and ethical God-loving > > > astrologer can > > > > indeed represent his client's case intelligently > > > and forcefully to > > > > Divinities and Planets. If the client > > cooperates > > > by good behaviour > > > > and attitudes, the chances of the petition being > > > granted are high. > > > > But, if the client jumps bail (does something > > that > > > is not supposed to > > > > be done during the deeksha in this case - may it > > > be eating things > > > > that are prohibited, indulging in unethical acts > > > that the astrologer > > > > has specifically asked to avoid, or refusing to > > do > > > a part of the > > > > remedy thinking that it is too insignificant, > > > etc.), the lawyer (here > > > > the astrologer) is helpless. The Judge/ > > President > > > (God or other > > > > Divine Entities) are impartial, and their final > > > judgement will be > > > > correct no matter whether it is in our favour or > > > not! > > > > > > > > This is the attitude and mentality with which I > > > approach remedies. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, dheeraj > > > khosla > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > NAMASKAR RESPECTED PANDITS AND MEMBERS, > > > > > > > > > I HAVE ONE SERIOUS AND STRAIGHT > > > FORWARD QUERY > > > > REGARDING REMEDIES. > > > > > CAN REMEDY REALY WORKS WELL ? OR > > JUST > > > A PSHYCOLOGICAL > > > > SUPPORT TO STRENTHEN MOON ( MANN OR > > > CHITT). > > > > > > > > > > DONT YOU SENIOR MEMBERS THINK THAT > > EVEN > > > ONE HAVE TO > > > > SEE WHETHER REMEDIES IS DESTINED IN > > PARTICULAR > > > HOROSCOPE ( > > > > case) OR NOT. IF OTHERWISE IN SOME > > > CONDITIONS PLANETS > > > > GIVE STRAAIGHT FORWARD RESULTS ( whether > > good > > > or bad) , HENCE > > > > NO SCOPE OF REMEDY ,WHAT SO EVER !!......... > > > THIS IS I WANT > > > > TO KNOW FOR COMMON MAN NOT FOR YOGIS > > AND > > > CONCIOUSS SOULS( > > > > they r exceptions i know). > > > > > > > > > > AND SOME TIMES MATTERS OF FAITH ARISES. > > > > > BUT I GENUINLY > > > > WANTS EXPERIENCES OF SENIOR ASTROLOGERS LIKE > > > PT . > > > > DAKSHINAMOORTHY JI, RAFALJI, MOHANRAMJI, PT. > > > ARJUNJI . > > > > > > > > > > I AM NOT TALKING BOOKISH ISSUES, JUST > > I > > > AM TALKING > > > > REAL , OBSERVED EXPERIENCES OF REMEDIES BY > > > > > GREAT ASTROLOGERS. > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > ASTROLOGICAL AND REMEDIAL CONSULTANT > > Plot no. 1/29 > > Eleventh Street > > Babanagar > > Villivakkam > > Chennai 600 049. > > > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000. Store N number of mails in > > your inbox. 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Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Dear Dr. Kursija: It is true that Lal Kitab remedies are more practical and give results on a real-time basis. It is mantra shaastra in practice! These are called " upaayees " - use of materials having magic potency to cure some problems. But, you had used a good similie.....it is like taking a tablet for a head-ache; good, you get immediate relief....but, what if the patient is actually suffering from a malignancy in the brain; by suppressing the symptom are we " REALLY " helping the patient..... Mantra shaastra in its advanced stages is like advanced surgery that can go and solve the problem at its roots. So, by its very nature, it has to be exclusive! You have said that shodas poojaas are not possible and " only " Maanasic pooja is possible.....It is not a disadvantage! Actually maanaasic pooja done with proper attitude scores better than " actual " pooja using pooja materials. It is the attitude that counts here. Again, I will answer another simile from your post itself to explain another important spiritual truth.......you had written chanting japams becomes just another habit like brushing teeth or smoking......no problem even in this case, even if the reciter cannot get that " spiritual high " by such routines.....A chain smoker does not get a high with a single puff of smoke, yet the truth is that the nicotine is silently eating into the person's system! Similarly, though a regular reciter of japams will not get that " high " after the japam, the effects will be slowly eating into the bad karmas and destroying it. Chanting the japams is a positive habit. But, such habits alone can never give one perfect siddhi of a high level. You have written you want to see manifest results; if you want to see manifest results and to solve the problems of others with confidence, you have to become a mantrik expert or a devotee of a high order. It is possible only by devoting time and effort towards that end. Your intentions are noble; but somehow I feel you are lacking subtlety that is most essential for mantra shaastra. I am not saying this to criticise you; but it is a honest appraisal from my side. You are speaking more like a social reformer and an NGO. In mantra shaastra, the first rule is accept realities of nature; understand the complexities of nature and existence; then identify the keys to transform the baser elements into higher ones......This is how miracles are rendered possible. It is a smooth process but it takes time. If you want to say I chanted this mantra 100 times and I should see the result being manifested, I can say without doubt that the possibility of your failing are nearly 100% Attachment to results has been the bane of many mantrik experts. Give more importance to the methods and system; the results will follow automatically. Definitely this is possible even in today's world. Incidentally, I have myself dealt with countless cases where people (all from North India - and to be more specific - Punjab the headquarters of Lal Kitab system!) have failed to get desirable results from Lal Kitaab remedies suggested by some of the biggest names in the field, and I could solve them by simple vedic remedies. I am not saying this system is good or that system is good.....I know both the systems and know which remedy will suit which person......That is the best approach in my opinion. The astrologer should be encyclopedic in knowledge and then must be able to offer remedies to suit the querent. (By the way, I can suggest Quaranic remedies " Duas " for muslim clients and many have benefited by that also! So, you can understand that though my base is vedic tradition and mantra shaastra, I am eclectic in my suggestions as I try to suggest things that will be compatible to the faith and convenience of the querents). If an ordinary astrologer of my level can do this, you must understand how much more a " real mantra shaastra expert " can do! There is actually no difference between remedial procedures at all; the differences are all outward and superficial. Once you know all those systems in depth, there is an underlying string of commonality in principles. Trying to achieve that exalted levels is worth it in every way. Even if we fail, it is a dignified failure! It is better to try for the sky and reach the tree top, and then consider ourselves as failures rather than trying to jump over an one-foot stool and then claiming that we have really succeeded. Is it not? Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija wrote: Respected Pandit ji, Again thanks for immediate response. I feel I have not been able to explain the proposition.I feel in spite of doing japam regularly at a particular time with full faith and belief, but one still does not feel light or enthusiasm, what we should say. In Delhi, there is a flat system or rented house with limited space. So no purity can be maintained.Noaarti, flowers or other shado-upchar or punch-upchar can be maintained. Only manasik pujan can be performed at the time of rising or going to bed. After some month it appears a routine as we clean our teeth or clean our shave before going to office.If a teacher teaches his class, and some of the students get pass other get failed, it does not affect the teacher. It is his routine to vomit out what he knows. Whether his students pick up his teaching or not. It is his routine.Similarly japam become his habit, his routine, whether it bears any fruit or not. If he introspects and put a question to himself that why should I do japam routinely.Spend one hour or so regularly? It is our snaskar only or habit only that we can not do without it as a smoker or alcoholic. I believe in results. If we do not strike on head of the nail, there will be no result, beating about the bush, bears no fruit. Peoples come to us to have power to bear the burning of the problem of family or business or marital discord and we have no remedy which strike on the head of the nail. No remedy like medicine as we can say go and take such and such medicine and your cough will be relieved. I feel thaqt is why remedies from Lala Kitab are getting prominence in North India. I seek apology if any harsh word has been used. With regars. --- " Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI " wrote: > Dear Dr. Kursija: > > Nothing can be for certain in life....In fact, I > believe nothing is impossible......But, it is all a > matter of prioritisation........There are simple > mantras that will give benefit to everyone......so, > anybody can be a mantra shastraic practitioner > without any restrictions; but, if you are asking > " Can I become an expert without undergoing rigorous > disciplines? " ........The answer will be " No.....It > is not possible; with time, you may attain some > powers if you can be consistent in spending at least > sometime every day regularly over many > years......but siddhis of a Higher level are > definitely not easily obtained. " > > I have personal experience of handling persons > who have had residual siddhis due to previous > saadhanaas and have thought that the power will be > with them constantly, but they have lost in due > course because they have not done anything in this > life. My own father was an expert in " Kshetra > Ganitham " , and could tell logarithmic values just > like that when he was just 3 years old without any > training or education whatsoever! But, as he grew > up, his ability in mathematics is still there, but > he is nowhere near the prodigious powers he > displayed as a child. This is one example of > residual powers in an individual; even this is a > result of previous life saadhanaas or siddhis. They > get burnt out easily with time if they are not > renewed. Of couse, a person with a large quantum of > residual siddhis may spend a full lifetime enjoying > automated siddhis, but he is doing a disservice to > himself by not renewing those powers. > > On a different note, let me tell one > thing......These siddhis usually seek spiritual > aspirants with a good attitude automatically; Rishis > never sought after siddhis. They sought after > enlightenment. Vaak siddhi was rather a by-product > in their progress. Those who " seek " siddhis > voluntarily should indeed be willing to spend time > and energy. > > I believe no body is busy enough to say that " I > have no time for siddhis " . If I - a person handling > thousands of mails and requests per day can spend > time on japams, I do now know why others will not > have time (I do not claim I possess any power, but I > just do my rituals as a part of my Duty as a Vedic > Brahmin!) It is all a matter or prioritisation in > my opinion. > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > " S.C. Kursija " wrote: > Respected Pandit ji, > Thanks for the response.Does it mean that a person > like me living in city like Delhi and leading a busy > life can not acquire these gifts of Rishees. > With regards. > --- " Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI " > wrote: > > > Dear Dr.Kursija: > > > > if one wants to be a champion sportsman, he has to > > train hard - of course there may be different > > training > > techniques and there may be " difference of > opinion " > > as > > to the best training routines....yet, a person > > trying > > to become a champion should select some routine > and > > train is it not? Then, he/she has to select a good > > coach to guide during the training, and later > sweat > > it > > out by running miles, lifting pound after pound, > > regulating every routine of life according to set > > principles of work-out, recovery and rest under > > careful guidance of a good coach.....And then a > > person > > becomes a champion, or many even drop out in the > > middle. > > > > > > There is no short-cut to reaching the highest > levels > > of any field; mantra shastra is no exception. > > > > I think I have answered you - though indirectly. > > > > Blessed be. > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > --- sckursija wrote: > > > > > Respected Sh.Dakshna Moorty ji, > > > Pranam, > > > Will you spare some time to advise about me what > > is > > > Vaak siddhi and > > > how it can be attained for a man like me? > > > Any book on remedies with simple rules to apply, > > as > > > in classic Mantra > > > Shastra selection of mantra accrding to > individual > > > in not easy. I have > > > Mantra Mahodadhi, and other books from > > > Allahabad,Dasa vidya etc with > > > mantra from one word to 28 or more words. Which > > one > > > is to select is a > > > hard nut to crack.There is difference of opinion > > > also on mantra > > > composition. Please guide. > > > With regards and respect. > > > vedic astrology , > > > " dakshinastrologer " > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Dheeraj: > > > > > > > > First things first.....Please do not type a > mail > > > in all caps....In > > > > netiquette it is considered as shouting..... > > > > > > > > Regarding remedies, an astrologer who analyzes > > the > > > horoscope but does > > > > not provide remedies is like a physician who > > > refuses to give > > > > medicines but will only analyze what ailments > > have > > > struck the patient. > > > > > > > > Remedies suggested without mercenary > intentions > > > with the pure > > > > intention of helping the seeker really work > > > miraculously. There are > > > > times when the effects border on paranormal or > > > supernatural. > > > > > > > > Suggesting remedies requires practical > > application > > > of principles and > > > > the really qualified and experienced > astrologers > > > do take liberties > > > > while suggesting remedies - like they may > > > interpret the situation > > > > broadly and like lawyers filing petitions, > they > > > may suggest modified > > > > remedies. For instance, if Raahu is afflicted > > the > > > general remedy > > > > will be Naaga pratishta, or visit to Shri > > > Kaalahasti or Shri > > > > Naageshwaram temple in Tanjore district. But, > > an > > > intelligent > > > > astrologer who knows the planetary > dispositions > > > and indications > > > > concerning everything can suggest a simpler > > remedy > > > for a person who > > > > cannot make these trips (supposing the native > is > > > abroad....) Worship > > > > of Goddess Durga is suggested; of course there > > is > > > Dasa Mahaa Vidyaa > > > > based remedy; Worshipping Lord Hanumaan's tail > > is > > > another remedy. > > > > Getting the blessings of Maternal grandmother > is > > > another remedy! > > > > Gems can be suggested. Offering Vadamaala to > > > Hanumaan can be > > > > suggested. Gifting of Gems can be suggested. > > > Offering Kaamadhenu > > > > pooja can be suggested.....The list is almost > > > endless! > > > > > > > > The astrologer should use intelligence, > > intuition, > > > and practical > > > > application of astrological principles > > considering > > > the horoscopic > > > > factors involved. > > > > > > > > Though it seems to be complicated, in reality > it > > > is not so. It seems > > > > complicated when I try to explain it. > > > > > > > > The bottom line is...remedies work well if the > > > person who suggests it > > > > has some Vaak siddhi (the astrologer should > deem > > > it a duty to do > > > > regular japas for this purpose), the client/ > > > questioner should have > > > > unassailable faith (without faith the whole > > > purpose of astrological > > > > consultation is null!), and the remedies > should > > be > > > timed by the > > > > astrologer intelligently. For instance, > yantras > > > work best ONLY if > > > > the questioner is having auspicious Jupiter > > > transits with respect to > > > > natal Moon. Otherwise, energization of the > > yantra > > > has to be very > > > > intense to give results. There are set > > conditions > > > like that. If all > > > > these are taken into account, remedies do give > > > miraculous results. > > > > > > > > DEFINITELY THEY ARE NOT MERE PLACEBOS! > > (Sometimes, > > > when nothing is > > > > going to work, placebos are offered. That is, > > the > > > remedy may not > > > > give a direct impact on the situation because > it > > > is beyond our hands; > > > > even in those cases, the simple prayers > > suggested > > > are not a waste of > > > > time or resources as they are going to alter > the > > > karmic balance > > > > sheet). > > > > > > > > Time and again, my experience has shown that > > > remedies have almost > > > > altered Fatalistic elements. Of course, as I > > work > > > at a level where > > > > people approach me as the last stop or last > > > recourse, there have been > > > > failures too! > > > > > > > > I might have written before, but I will write > it > > > again....Remedies > > > > are like filing clemency petition....It is up > to > > > the President > > > > (Almighty) to see if it can be offered. The > > > astrologer is like the > > > > defense lawyer and a good and ethical > God-loving > > > astrologer can > > > > indeed represent his client's case > intelligently > > > and forcefully to > > > > Divinities and Planets. If the client > > cooperates > > > by good behaviour > > > > and attitudes, the chances of the petition > being > > > granted are high. > > > > But, if the client jumps bail (does something > > that > > > is not supposed to > > > > be done during the deeksha in this case - may > it > > > be eating things > > > > that are prohibited, indulging in unethical > acts > > > that the astrologer > > > > has specifically asked to avoid, or refusing > to > > do > > > a part of the > > > > remedy thinking that it is too insignificant, > > > etc.), the lawyer (here > > > > the astrologer) is helpless. The Judge/ > > President > > > (God or other > > > > Divine Entities) are impartial, and their > final > > > judgement will be > > > > correct no matter whether it is in our favour > or > > > not! > > > > > > > > This is the attitude and mentality with which > I > > > approach remedies. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , > dheeraj > > > khosla > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > NAMASKAR RESPECTED PANDITS AND MEMBERS, > > > > > > > > > I HAVE ONE SERIOUS AND STRAIGHT > > > FORWARD QUERY > > > > REGARDING REMEDIES. > > > > > CAN REMEDY REALY WORKS WELL ? OR > > JUST > > > A PSHYCOLOGICAL > > > > SUPPORT TO STRENTHEN MOON ( MANN OR > > > CHITT). > > > > > > > > > > DONT YOU SENIOR MEMBERS THINK THAT > > EVEN > > > ONE HAVE TO > > > > SEE WHETHER REMEDIES IS DESTINED IN > > PARTICULAR > > > HOROSCOPE ( > > > > case) OR NOT. IF OTHERWISE IN SOME > > > CONDITIONS PLANETS > > > > GIVE STRAAIGHT FORWARD RESULTS ( whether > > good > > > or bad) , HENCE > > > > NO SCOPE OF REMEDY ,WHAT SO EVER !!......... > > > THIS IS I WANT > > > > TO KNOW FOR COMMON MAN NOT FOR YOGIS > > AND > > > CONCIOUSS SOULS( > > > > they r exceptions i know). > > > > > > > > > > AND SOME TIMES MATTERS OF FAITH ARISES. > > > > > BUT I GENUINLY > > > > WANTS EXPERIENCES OF SENIOR ASTROLOGERS LIKE > > > PT . > > > > DAKSHINAMOORTHY JI, RAFALJI, MOHANRAMJI, PT. > > > ARJUNJI . > > > > > > > > > > I AM NOT TALKING BOOKISH ISSUES, JUST > > I > > > AM TALKING > > > > REAL , OBSERVED EXPERIENCES OF REMEDIES BY > > > > > GREAT ASTROLOGERS. > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > ASTROLOGICAL AND REMEDIAL CONSULTANT > > Plot no. 1/29 > > Eleventh Street > > Babanagar > > Villivakkam > > Chennai 600 049. > > > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000. Store N number of mails in > > your inbox. 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Guest guest Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 Dear Panditji, Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience. I have been very closely following your posts and replies in this group for the past one year and have had the getting a deeper understanding on the subjects discussed. I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the right way to chant a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have been locked by the creators just like a software being locked in a way that it can be used only by the user knowing the key. That is to say that every mantra has a key and unless the person chanting the mantra uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am told that even the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only with the use of the appropriate key. How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of your stature. I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of the right usage of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and help humanity regain the lost science of using the vibrational science for the benefit of mankind. Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my humble and earnest prayer enlighten me. Your humble admirer, Nagaajan.C Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 Dear Shri. Chidambaram: Powerful mantras usually have a Utkeelana mantra or saapa nivaarana mantra to get them activated and to remove the curses associated with them. In fact the Great Gayathri mantra has 3 curses - Brahma saapa, Vasishta saapa, and Viswaamitra saapa. This was because anyone chanting the Gaayatri mantra can attain great siddhis, and such power in the hands of persons with wrong attitudes can be disastrous to the more pacific living entities including " gods and demi-gods " . Thus, anyone chanting the Gaayathri mantra without saapa vimochana mantra will actually not experience its full wonders. And those who chant it without initiation will actually experience many obstacles and dangers! It is stated in Viswamitra Samhita - Gaayathri paddati. " Saapa yuktaatu Gaayathri Chartur Varga phalaandakaa Saapa muktaatu Gaayathri chatur varga phalpradaa " Means Gaayathri with Saapa (i.e without removal of curse) will cause destruction of 4 fold attainments of life (Dharma - Righteous living, Artha - righteous earning of money, Kaama - righteous enjoyment of luxuries and pleasures, mokshaa - ultimate liberation), whereas Gaayathri relieved of the curses will cause gain of the 4 fold attainments. This injunction does not apply to those who do Gaayathri after upanayanam where the relevant mantras of activation are anyhow chanted. Even for these persons, the higher siddhis of the Gayathri mantra are locked if they chant the Gayathri without saapa nivaarana mantra. Again, when mantraas are chanted, we should offer respects to the Rishis (mantra drushtaas - seers of the mantra who first identified the mantra with their yogic vision); during the deeksha, naandi homam is to be done to honour one's ancestors - When a person is about to set foot in the path of spirituality, all his ancestors are happy and will congregate in that place of deeksha earnestly. So, they should be honoured auspiciously and their blessings should be sought. Then one should make " Japa prathignyaa " means declaration that this is the purpose of the deekshaa and I will definitely be regular in my chantings and will use my power only for good purposes. Slipping in this promise after getting siddhis has been the nemesis of many mantra shaastra experts. Usually one should select one particular Deity (whatever it is) either according to one's family customs or using astrological methods to check Ishta/ phalana devataas, or by using one's own intuition and natural predisposition to pray to a particular Deity. The upaasanaa of that deity should be done after getting proper deekshaa which will ensure speedy perfection. For an accomplished practitioner, it will be hardly a matter of half an hour of preliminary mantrik routines, and then they can concentrate on mantra japam as per their time availability and convenience. During emergencies these procedures can be shortened. But,it is better to have a utkeelanam or saapa nivaaranam or kavacha upadesham (most advanced mantras require kavacha recital before chanting of moola mantraas) initiated at least once before one proceeds with endless repetitions of mantras. If it could not be done in the initial stages, at least when one reaches significant land marks like 1 lakh japams, 24 lakh japams, or 1 crore japam counts, they may have these special elements initiated which will immediately unlock the stored potential of all the japams give intense mystic experiences. Detailed procedures like yoginii nyaasam, aksharaa nyaasam (meditating on different aksharaas in different parts of the body as per traditions), etc. are also done during deeksha which helps the body to resonate well with the mantra being chanted.Advanced spiritual Gurus are capable of giving such an experience by direct transfer of their power to the sishyaa. In such a case, utkeelanam, kavacham, saapa nivaaranam, etc. are not necessary at all! For most common mantras, the use of anga nyaasam, kara nyaasam, and dig bandanam is enough; these procedures will be automatically given in most standard works. Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology , nagarajan chidambaram <ngrjn_chidambaram wrote: > > Dear Panditji, > > Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience. > > I have been very closely following your posts and replies in this group for the past one year and have had the getting a deeper understanding on the subjects discussed. > > I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the right way to chant a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have been locked by the creators just like a software being locked in a way that it can be used only by the user knowing the key. That is to say that every mantra has a key and unless the person chanting the mantra uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am told that even the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only with the use of the appropriate key. > > How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of your stature. > > I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of the right usage of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and help humanity regain the lost science of using the vibrational science for the benefit of mankind. > > Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my humble and earnest prayer enlighten me. > > Your humble admirer, > > Nagaajan.C > > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 Pranam Panditji, So according to you the avarage person like me chant the gayatri chalisa or gaytri mantra in the morning and evening doesn't do anything ? Is harm u more than benifit is there right? plz guide me Pranam rp -- In vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer " <dakshinastrologer wrote: > > Dear Shri. Chidambaram: > > Powerful mantras usually have a Utkeelana mantra or saapa nivaarana > mantra to get them activated and to remove the curses associated with > them. > > In fact the Great Gayathri mantra has 3 curses - Brahma saapa, > Vasishta saapa, and Viswaamitra saapa. This was because anyone > chanting the Gaayatri mantra can attain great siddhis, and such power > in the hands of persons with wrong attitudes can be disastrous to the > more pacific living entities including " gods and demi-gods " . Thus, > anyone chanting the Gaayathri mantra without saapa vimochana mantra > will actually not experience its full wonders. And those who chant > it without initiation will actually experience many obstacles and > dangers! It is stated in Viswamitra Samhita - Gaayathri paddati. > > " Saapa yuktaatu Gaayathri Chartur Varga phalaandakaa > Saapa muktaatu Gaayathri chatur varga phalpradaa " > > Means Gaayathri with Saapa (i.e without removal of curse) will cause > destruction of 4 fold attainments of life (Dharma - Righteous living, > Artha - righteous earning of money, Kaama - righteous enjoyment of > luxuries and pleasures, mokshaa - ultimate liberation), whereas > Gaayathri relieved of the curses will cause gain of the 4 fold > attainments. > > This injunction does not apply to those who do Gaayathri after > upanayanam where the relevant mantras of activation are anyhow > chanted. Even for these persons, the higher siddhis of the Gayathri > mantra are locked if they chant the Gayathri without saapa nivaarana > mantra. > > Again, when mantraas are chanted, we should offer respects to the > Rishis (mantra drushtaas - seers of the mantra who first identified > the mantra with their yogic vision); during the deeksha, naandi homam > is to be done to honour one's ancestors - When a person is about to > set foot in the path of spirituality, all his ancestors are happy and > will congregate in that place of deeksha earnestly. So, they should > be honoured auspiciously and their blessings should be sought. Then > one should make " Japa prathignyaa " means declaration that this is the > purpose of the deekshaa and I will definitely be regular in my > chantings and will use my power only for good purposes. Slipping in > this promise after getting siddhis has been the nemesis of many > mantra shaastra experts. > > Usually one should select one particular Deity (whatever it is) > either according to one's family customs or using astrological > methods to check Ishta/ phalana devataas, or by using one's own > intuition and natural predisposition to pray to a particular Deity. > The upaasanaa of that deity should be done after getting proper > deekshaa which will ensure speedy perfection. > > For an accomplished practitioner, it will be hardly a matter of half > an hour of preliminary mantrik routines, and then they can > concentrate on mantra japam as per their time availability and > convenience. During emergencies these procedures can be shortened. > > But,it is better to have a utkeelanam or saapa nivaaranam or kavacha > upadesham (most advanced mantras require kavacha recital before > chanting of moola mantraas) initiated at least once before one > proceeds with endless repetitions of mantras. If it could not be > done in the initial stages, at least when one reaches significant > land marks like 1 lakh japams, 24 lakh japams, or 1 crore japam > counts, they may have these special elements initiated which will > immediately unlock the stored potential of all the japams give > intense mystic experiences. Detailed procedures like yoginii > nyaasam, aksharaa nyaasam (meditating on different aksharaas in > different parts of the body as per traditions), etc. are also done > during deeksha which helps the body to resonate well with the mantra > being chanted.Advanced spiritual Gurus are capable of giving such an > experience by direct transfer of their power to the sishyaa. In such > a case, utkeelanam, kavacham, saapa nivaaranam, etc. are not > necessary at all! > > For most common mantras, the use of anga nyaasam, kara nyaasam, and > dig bandanam is enough; these procedures will be automatically given > in most standard works. > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology , nagarajan chidambaram > <ngrjn_chidambaram@> wrote: > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience. > > > > I have been very closely following your posts and replies in this > group for the past one year and have had the getting a deeper > understanding on the subjects discussed. > > > > I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the right > way to chant a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have been > locked by the creators just like a software being locked in a way > that it can be used only by the user knowing the key. That is to say > that every mantra has a key and unless the person chanting the mantra > uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am told that even > the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only with > the use of the appropriate key. > > > > How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of your > stature. > > > > I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of the > right usage of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and help > humanity regain the lost science of using the vibrational science for > the benefit of mankind. > > > > Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my humble > and earnest prayer enlighten me. > > > > Your humble admirer, > > > > Nagaajan.C > > > > > > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click > here > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 Dear Member: If you have taken initiation (may be from Aarya samaj or from any other competent person), definitely you will get some benefits. but, not to the full potential of the mantra which is beyond words to describe. There is one way inwhich Gayathri mantra can be unlocked fully.....Chanting Shiva Panchaakshari many times (In fact this was how Sage Viswamitra got that!). Gayathri chaalisa is a devotional sthothra and definitely has its value. It is definitely productive of fruits. There is no saapa on that! Again there is Gayathri sthothra revealed by Sage Narada which is auspicious as a chant during bath. It has no restrictions. The original gayathri - if it is just being chanted after reading from a book or other sources without any intiation whatsoever, MIGHT actually be harmful. If you have got initiation rites done, and are not chanting the saapa vimochana regularly, it is not productive of full results. Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.vedic- astrology , " RICK " <rdrugist wrote: > > Pranam Panditji, > > So according to you the avarage person like me chant the gayatri > chalisa or gaytri mantra in the morning and evening doesn't do > anything ? Is harm u more than benifit is there right? plz guide me > > Pranam > rp > > > -- In vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer " > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri. Chidambaram: > > > > Powerful mantras usually have a Utkeelana mantra or saapa nivaarana > > mantra to get them activated and to remove the curses associated > with > > them. > > > > In fact the Great Gayathri mantra has 3 curses - Brahma saapa, > > Vasishta saapa, and Viswaamitra saapa. This was because anyone > > chanting the Gaayatri mantra can attain great siddhis, and such > power > > in the hands of persons with wrong attitudes can be disastrous to > the > > more pacific living entities including " gods and demi-gods " . Thus, > > anyone chanting the Gaayathri mantra without saapa vimochana mantra > > will actually not experience its full wonders. And those who chant > > it without initiation will actually experience many obstacles and > > dangers! It is stated in Viswamitra Samhita - Gaayathri paddati. > > > > " Saapa yuktaatu Gaayathri Chartur Varga phalaandakaa > > Saapa muktaatu Gaayathri chatur varga phalpradaa " > > > > Means Gaayathri with Saapa (i.e without removal of curse) will > cause > > destruction of 4 fold attainments of life (Dharma - Righteous > living, > > Artha - righteous earning of money, Kaama - righteous enjoyment of > > luxuries and pleasures, mokshaa - ultimate liberation), whereas > > Gaayathri relieved of the curses will cause gain of the 4 fold > > attainments. > > > > This injunction does not apply to those who do Gaayathri after > > upanayanam where the relevant mantras of activation are anyhow > > chanted. Even for these persons, the higher siddhis of the > Gayathri > > mantra are locked if they chant the Gayathri without saapa > nivaarana > > mantra. > > > > Again, when mantraas are chanted, we should offer respects to the > > Rishis (mantra drushtaas - seers of the mantra who first identified > > the mantra with their yogic vision); during the deeksha, naandi > homam > > is to be done to honour one's ancestors - When a person is about to > > set foot in the path of spirituality, all his ancestors are happy > and > > will congregate in that place of deeksha earnestly. So, they > should > > be honoured auspiciously and their blessings should be sought. > Then > > one should make " Japa prathignyaa " means declaration that this is > the > > purpose of the deekshaa and I will definitely be regular in my > > chantings and will use my power only for good purposes. Slipping > in > > this promise after getting siddhis has been the nemesis of many > > mantra shaastra experts. > > > > Usually one should select one particular Deity (whatever it is) > > either according to one's family customs or using astrological > > methods to check Ishta/ phalana devataas, or by using one's own > > intuition and natural predisposition to pray to a particular > Deity. > > The upaasanaa of that deity should be done after getting proper > > deekshaa which will ensure speedy perfection. > > > > For an accomplished practitioner, it will be hardly a matter of > half > > an hour of preliminary mantrik routines, and then they can > > concentrate on mantra japam as per their time availability and > > convenience. During emergencies these procedures can be shortened. > > > > But,it is better to have a utkeelanam or saapa nivaaranam or > kavacha > > upadesham (most advanced mantras require kavacha recital before > > chanting of moola mantraas) initiated at least once before one > > proceeds with endless repetitions of mantras. If it could not be > > done in the initial stages, at least when one reaches significant > > land marks like 1 lakh japams, 24 lakh japams, or 1 crore japam > > counts, they may have these special elements initiated which will > > immediately unlock the stored potential of all the japams give > > intense mystic experiences. Detailed procedures like yoginii > > nyaasam, aksharaa nyaasam (meditating on different aksharaas in > > different parts of the body as per traditions), etc. are also done > > during deeksha which helps the body to resonate well with the > mantra > > being chanted.Advanced spiritual Gurus are capable of giving such > an > > experience by direct transfer of their power to the sishyaa. In > such > > a case, utkeelanam, kavacham, saapa nivaaranam, etc. are not > > necessary at all! > > > > For most common mantras, the use of anga nyaasam, kara nyaasam, and > > dig bandanam is enough; these procedures will be automatically > given > > in most standard works. > > > > Blessed be. > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > vedic astrology , nagarajan chidambaram > > <ngrjn_chidambaram@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > > > Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience. > > > > > > I have been very closely following your posts and replies in this > > group for the past one year and have had the getting a deeper > > understanding on the subjects discussed. > > > > > > I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the right > > way to chant a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have been > > locked by the creators just like a software being locked in a way > > that it can be used only by the user knowing the key. That is to > say > > that every mantra has a key and unless the person chanting the > mantra > > uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am told that > even > > the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only with > > the use of the appropriate key. > > > > > > How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of your > > stature. > > > > > > I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of the > > right usage of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and > help > > humanity regain the lost science of using the vibrational science > for > > the benefit of mankind. > > > > > > Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my > humble > > and earnest prayer enlighten me. > > > > > > Your humble admirer, > > > > > > Nagaajan.C > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click > > here > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 Dear Shri.Nagarajan, You may be correct, because I was also told about " Beeja " mantra[key] and " Maala " mantra[in pries of Devathaa worshiped].Mere search may indicate ones " Rasibalaa " desires to possess them but the actual attainment depends on ones " Amsabhalaa " . Those who have mantra siddhi baaghiyaa / Muni yOga, may get it at the appropriate opportunity [it would descend on them].Others go behind mendacious persons and fall a pray to their ichchaa [i know few people who have gone mad, lost all their fortunes after going behind mendicants]. “ALL THAT GLITTERS IS NOT GOLD”- an adage (Elders’ voice) With regards, D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta. P.S:Please remember that how did Sree Seshdriswamigal,Ramana of Arunaachaleswaram got it. nagarajan chidambaram <ngrjn_chidambaram wrote: Dear Panditji, Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience. I have been very closely following your posts and replies in this group for the past one year and have had the getting a deeper understanding on the subjects discussed. I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the right way to chant a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have been locked by the creators just like a software being locked in a way that it can be used only by the user knowing the key. That is to say that every mantra has a key and unless the person chanting the mantra uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am told that even the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only with the use of the appropriate key. How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of your stature. I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of the right usage of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and help humanity regain the lost science of using the vibrational science for the benefit of mankind. Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my humble and earnest prayer enlighten me. Your humble admirer, Nagaajan.C Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 Namaste, " Natta callai dheyvamenRu NAncu pushpam chARRiyE , chuRRi vaNdhu munumunuckum chollum maNthiram EthutA;Natta callum pechumO , chutta chatti caRi chuvai aRiyumO ,NAthan uL iruckaiyil " . The above is Muni vaakiya meaning ‘external mantra hymns shall not pay any results with out introspection – while SIVA resides IN every SOUL’.. Sathiyanarayana Gupta <gupta816 wrote: Dear Shri.Nagarajan, You may be correct, because I was also told about " Beeja " mantra[key] and " Maala " mantra[in pries of Devathaa worshiped].Mere search may indicate ones " Rasibalaa " desires to possess them but the actual attainment depends on ones " Amsabhalaa " . Those who have mantra siddhi baaghiyaa / Muni yOga, may get it at the appropriate opportunity [it would descend on them].Others go behind mendacious persons and fall a pray to their ichchaa [i know few people who have gone mad, lost all their fortunes after going behind mendicants]. “ALL THAT GLITTERS IS NOT GOLD”- an adage (Elders’ voice) With regards, D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta. P.S:Please remember that how did Sree Seshdriswamigal,Ramana of Arunaachaleswaram got it. nagarajan chidambaram <ngrjn_chidambaram wrote: Dear Panditji, Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience. I have been very closely following your posts and replies in this group for the past one year and have had the getting a deeper understanding on the subjects discussed. I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the right way to chant a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have been locked by the creators just like a software being locked in a way that it can be used only by the user knowing the key. That is to say that every mantra has a key and unless the person chanting the mantra uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am told that even the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only with the use of the appropriate key. How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of your stature. I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of the right usage of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and help humanity regain the lost science of using the vibrational science for the benefit of mankind. Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my humble and earnest prayer enlighten me. Your humble admirer, Nagaajan.C Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Dear Shri. Pandit Dakshinamoorthi, Vanakkam, Please accept my sincere respects. As a learner, many of your posts are highly educative & your articulation & writing style is greatly admired. sir, your below mail on gayatri has confused me & therefore am writing to you. i was planning to resume chanting this mantra shortly ( again mainly prompted by the mails in the group) As a hindu non-brahmin, not acquainted with tradition & initiation rituals, what can a average person chant. i have even read ( not sure where) that un-initiated persons chant gayatri by not chanting OM in the beginning of the mantra My request & query is to clarify how one can chant Gayatri without the adverse effects. Kindly write in leisure & help us all as much details time permits you. even suggestions of books to read, place to get initiation in bangalore will help, my wife can read tamil, so pls. suggest accordingly i have a different query on murugan yantra which i shall request separately am a noh brahmin hindu, vegetarian since 1.5 years, non smoker & do not use liquor. Sincerely, with best wishes & pranaams, Manju PS : for the group going-on's .. last night i remembered a statement in tamil, am writing a rough translation, its a general statment & not specific to anybody. " Those who believe you... No explanation is needed. Those who do not believe you, No explanation can suffice " ________________________________ vedic astrology [vedic astrology ] On Behalf Of dakshinastrologer Monday, August 06, 2007 10:25 PM vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE , OBSERVED AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER Dear Shri. Chidambaram: Powerful mantras usually have a Utkeelana mantra or saapa nivaarana mantra to get them activated and to remove the curses associated with them. In fact the Great Gayathri mantra has 3 curses - Brahma saapa, Vasishta saapa, and Viswaamitra saapa. This was because anyone chanting the Gaayatri mantra can attain great siddhis, and such power in the hands of persons with wrong attitudes can be disastrous to the more pacific living entities including " gods and demi-gods " . Thus, anyone chanting the Gaayathri mantra without saapa vimochana mantra will actually not experience its full wonders. And those who chant it without initiation will actually experience many obstacles and dangers! It is stated in Viswamitra Samhita - Gaayathri paddati. " Saapa yuktaatu Gaayathri Chartur Varga phalaandakaa Saapa muktaatu Gaayathri chatur varga phalpradaa " Means Gaayathri with Saapa (i.e without removal of curse) will cause destruction of 4 fold attainments of life (Dharma - Righteous living, Artha - righteous earning of money, Kaama - righteous enjoyment of luxuries and pleasures, mokshaa - ultimate liberation), whereas Gaayathri relieved of the curses will cause gain of the 4 fold attainments. This injunction does not apply to those who do Gaayathri after upanayanam where the relevant mantras of activation are anyhow chanted. Even for these persons, the higher siddhis of the Gayathri mantra are locked if they chant the Gayathri without saapa nivaarana mantra. Again, when mantraas are chanted, we should offer respects to the Rishis (mantra drushtaas - seers of the mantra who first identified the mantra with their yogic vision); during the deeksha, naandi homam is to be done to honour one's ancestors - When a person is about to set foot in the path of spirituality, all his ancestors are happy and will congregate in that place of deeksha earnestly. So, they should be honoured auspiciously and their blessings should be sought. Then one should make " Japa prathignyaa " means declaration that this is the purpose of the deekshaa and I will definitely be regular in my chantings and will use my power only for good purposes. Slipping in this promise after getting siddhis has been the nemesis of many mantra shaastra experts. Usually one should select one particular Deity (whatever it is) either according to one's family customs or using astrological methods to check Ishta/ phalana devataas, or by using one's own intuition and natural predisposition to pray to a particular Deity. The upaasanaa of that deity should be done after getting proper deekshaa which will ensure speedy perfection. For an accomplished practitioner, it will be hardly a matter of half an hour of preliminary mantrik routines, and then they can concentrate on mantra japam as per their time availability and convenience. During emergencies these procedures can be shortened. But,it is better to have a utkeelanam or saapa nivaaranam or kavacha upadesham (most advanced mantras require kavacha recital before chanting of moola mantraas) initiated at least once before one proceeds with endless repetitions of mantras. If it could not be done in the initial stages, at least when one reaches significant land marks like 1 lakh japams, 24 lakh japams, or 1 crore japam counts, they may have these special elements initiated which will immediately unlock the stored potential of all the japams give intense mystic experiences. Detailed procedures like yoginii nyaasam, aksharaa nyaasam (meditating on different aksharaas in different parts of the body as per traditions), etc. are also done during deeksha which helps the body to resonate well with the mantra being chanted.Advanced spiritual Gurus are capable of giving such an experience by direct transfer of their power to the sishyaa. In such a case, utkeelanam, kavacham, saapa nivaaranam, etc. are not necessary at all! For most common mantras, the use of anga nyaasam, kara nyaasam, and dig bandanam is enough; these procedures will be automatically given in most standard works. Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> , nagarajan chidambaram <ngrjn_chidambaram wrote: > > Dear Panditji, > > Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience. > > I have been very closely following your posts and replies in this group for the past one year and have had the getting a deeper understanding on the subjects discussed. > > I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the right way to chant a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have been locked by the creators just like a software being locked in a way that it can be used only by the user knowing the key. That is to say that every mantra has a key and unless the person chanting the mantra uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am told that even the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only with the use of the appropriate key. > > How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of your stature. > > I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of the right usage of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and help humanity regain the lost science of using the vibrational science for the benefit of mankind. > > Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my humble and earnest prayer enlighten me. > > Your humble admirer, > > Nagaajan.C > > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Dear Shri. Manjunath: The three curses to Gayathri mantra were given mainly to prevent " Rakshasaic " elements from getting unbridled power. So, if you are of a saatwik quality and you have got initiated into the mantra from someone, kindly keep chanting it. Otherwise, tradition says that it is better not to chant. I have no individual opinion regarding this. The best recourse for someone who wishes to avail Gayathri Grace is to chant the Gayathri Sahasranaamam or Gayathri Sthothram (chaalisa is of recent origin; in my opinion, except Hanumaan Chaalisaa composed by Goswami Tulsi Das, the other chaalisaas have more of a devotional value as they are modelled after the Hanumaan chaalisaa and not too much of mantrik value). Otherwise, chanting " Om Shri Gaayathryai veda maatre namah " is the best way. Please read through the earlier post....I have given different options open before you. There are some controversies like " Can a person chant Gayathri without upanayanam, can women chant, " etc. which I studiously avoid because my views will be based only on traditions which might not be compatible with what you see today. A policeman uses a baton to control a crowd, but if we do it, it is considered manslaughter...is it not? A licensed person can drive vehicles while a person without license should not drive even if he is capable of driving! In the same way, deeksha samskaar or upanayanam are like license procedures.....Saapa Nivaaranam is like No-objection certificate or " fitness certificate " .....All these are important....you cannot say, I found a vehicle and I drove it....there is not need for license...nothing will happen, etc. Even a license person can meet with accidents, in that case insurance will cover the damages; but what will happen if an unlicensed person drives vehicles and gets involved in an accident? A similar analogy applies to mantras. Gayathri is a mahaa mantraa, and a powerful one. But that does not imply anyone can chant it casually. If that is so, why did the sages give elaborate procedures for upanayanam? By the way, Gayathri is not restricted only to Brahmins....Even non- Brahmins can chant Gayathri after upanayanam samskaar and getting initiation. For those who wish to chant Gaayathri mantra without upanayanam there is a Gayathri beeja mantra (composed only of beejas and no words except swaahaa). You can get that rare beeja mantra from competent Gurus and chant it (I doubt if you can get a proper Guru who knows this). So sticking to the Gayathri sthothram will be best for you. Otherwise, go for the tantrik Gayathri " Om Veda Maatre cha vidmahe Brahma Patnyai cha deemahii Tanno Gaayathri prachodyaat " Anybody can chant this without any restriction and without any fear of curses or ritual violations. May Veda Maata Gaayathri Bless everyone. PS: Dear Group: I do not want Mr. Lalith or his admirers here baiting me further with non-shastraic posts on this matter any further. I am still posting here keeping aside my personal pain just for the benefit of the group. What I have said is in consonance with shaastras and on the explicity query addressed to me. Any person with decency will avoid jutting in between. I am waiting for mr. Lalith's ban yet! This is not vengeance...but the command of a vedic Guru. Dharma shastra allows such actions. I have not hit him or done anything to him. I seek his banishment from a domain where you people wish me to be a Guru and guide the group. I am within my previleges to demand this. Otherwise, it is demeaning to my position as a Guru, and unless I am a Guru, I am not obliged to share my rare knowledge here. (Mr. Lalith may think any 100 Rs. book will teach these things; the truth is ...it is not possible. Many books barring a few exceptions are poorly researched and they cannot be relied on intricate dharma shastraic matters). Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology , " Manjunath, T (GE Healthcare) " <T.Manjunath wrote: > > Dear Shri. Pandit Dakshinamoorthi, > > Vanakkam, Please accept my sincere respects. > As a learner, many of your posts are highly educative & your > articulation & writing style is greatly admired. > > sir, your below mail on gayatri has confused me & therefore am writing > to you. i was planning to resume chanting this mantra shortly ( again > mainly prompted by the mails in the group) > > As a hindu non-brahmin, not acquainted with tradition & initiation > rituals, what can a average person chant. > i have even read ( not sure where) that un-initiated persons chant > gayatri by not chanting OM in the beginning of the mantra > > My request & query is to clarify how one can chant Gayatri without the > adverse effects. > > Kindly write in leisure & help us all as much details time permits you. > even suggestions of books to read, place to get initiation > in bangalore will help, my wife can read tamil, so pls. suggest > accordingly > > i have a different query on murugan yantra which i shall request > separately > am a noh brahmin hindu, vegetarian since 1.5 years, non smoker & do not > use liquor. > > Sincerely, > with best wishes & pranaams, > > Manju > > PS : for the group going-on's .. last night i remembered a statement > in tamil, am writing a rough translation, its a general statment & not > specific to anybody. > > " Those who believe you... No explanation is needed. Those who do not > believe you, No explanation can suffice " > > > ________________________________ > > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology ] On Behalf Of dakshinastrologer > Monday, August 06, 2007 10:25 PM > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE , OBSERVED > AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER > > > > Dear Shri. Chidambaram: > > Powerful mantras usually have a Utkeelana mantra or saapa nivaarana > mantra to get them activated and to remove the curses associated with > them. > > In fact the Great Gayathri mantra has 3 curses - Brahma saapa, > Vasishta saapa, and Viswaamitra saapa. This was because anyone > chanting the Gaayatri mantra can attain great siddhis, and such power > in the hands of persons with wrong attitudes can be disastrous to the > more pacific living entities including " gods and demi-gods " . Thus, > anyone chanting the Gaayathri mantra without saapa vimochana mantra > will actually not experience its full wonders. And those who chant > it without initiation will actually experience many obstacles and > dangers! It is stated in Viswamitra Samhita - Gaayathri paddati. > > " Saapa yuktaatu Gaayathri Chartur Varga phalaandakaa > Saapa muktaatu Gaayathri chatur varga phalpradaa " > > Means Gaayathri with Saapa (i.e without removal of curse) will cause > destruction of 4 fold attainments of life (Dharma - Righteous living, > Artha - righteous earning of money, Kaama - righteous enjoyment of > luxuries and pleasures, mokshaa - ultimate liberation), whereas > Gaayathri relieved of the curses will cause gain of the 4 fold > attainments. > > This injunction does not apply to those who do Gaayathri after > upanayanam where the relevant mantras of activation are anyhow > chanted. Even for these persons, the higher siddhis of the Gayathri > mantra are locked if they chant the Gayathri without saapa nivaarana > mantra. > > Again, when mantraas are chanted, we should offer respects to the > Rishis (mantra drushtaas - seers of the mantra who first identified > the mantra with their yogic vision); during the deeksha, naandi homam > is to be done to honour one's ancestors - When a person is about to > set foot in the path of spirituality, all his ancestors are happy and > will congregate in that place of deeksha earnestly. So, they should > be honoured auspiciously and their blessings should be sought. Then > one should make " Japa prathignyaa " means declaration that this is the > purpose of the deekshaa and I will definitely be regular in my > chantings and will use my power only for good purposes. Slipping in > this promise after getting siddhis has been the nemesis of many > mantra shaastra experts. > > Usually one should select one particular Deity (whatever it is) > either according to one's family customs or using astrological > methods to check Ishta/ phalana devataas, or by using one's own > intuition and natural predisposition to pray to a particular Deity. > The upaasanaa of that deity should be done after getting proper > deekshaa which will ensure speedy perfection. > > For an accomplished practitioner, it will be hardly a matter of half > an hour of preliminary mantrik routines, and then they can > concentrate on mantra japam as per their time availability and > convenience. During emergencies these procedures can be shortened. > > But,it is better to have a utkeelanam or saapa nivaaranam or kavacha > upadesham (most advanced mantras require kavacha recital before > chanting of moola mantraas) initiated at least once before one > proceeds with endless repetitions of mantras. If it could not be > done in the initial stages, at least when one reaches significant > land marks like 1 lakh japams, 24 lakh japams, or 1 crore japam > counts, they may have these special elements initiated which will > immediately unlock the stored potential of all the japams give > intense mystic experiences. Detailed procedures like yoginii > nyaasam, aksharaa nyaasam (meditating on different aksharaas in > different parts of the body as per traditions), etc. are also done > during deeksha which helps the body to resonate well with the mantra > being chanted.Advanced spiritual Gurus are capable of giving such an > experience by direct transfer of their power to the sishyaa. In such > a case, utkeelanam, kavacham, saapa nivaaranam, etc. are not > necessary at all! > > For most common mantras, the use of anga nyaasam, kara nyaasam, and > dig bandanam is enough; these procedures will be automatically given > in most standard works. > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> , nagarajan chidambaram > <ngrjn_chidambaram@> wrote: > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience. > > > > I have been very closely following your posts and replies in this > group for the past one year and have had the getting a deeper > understanding on the subjects discussed. > > > > I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the right > way to chant a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have been > locked by the creators just like a software being locked in a way > that it can be used only by the user knowing the key. That is to say > that every mantra has a key and unless the person chanting the mantra > uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am told that even > the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only with > the use of the appropriate key. > > > > How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of your > stature. > > > > I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of the > right usage of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and help > humanity regain the lost science of using the vibrational science for > the benefit of mankind. > > > > Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my humble > and earnest prayer enlighten me. > > > > Your humble admirer, > > > > Nagaajan.C > > > > > > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click > here > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 ll HARE RAM ll Pandit Dakshinamoorthi ji, I am completely agreed with you that Gayatri Mantra is needed some protocol before chanting as to remove curses of Brahma,Vashistha,Visvamitra & Shukra and later doing proper visarjana otherwise it can be harmful.It is not the Mahamantra given in " Kulsantaran " Upnishad like " HARE RAM HARE RAM RAM RAM HARE HARE,HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE " that can be chanted by any one and any position.Gayatri Mantra is called the mother of all mantras.Even to add Samputa of Gayatri Mantra makes one Mantra so powerful. Regards Shashie Shekhar dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer wrote: Dear Shri. Manjunath: The three curses to Gayathri mantra were given mainly to prevent " Rakshasaic " elements from getting unbridled power. So, if you are of a saatwik quality and you have got initiated into the mantra from someone, kindly keep chanting it. Otherwise, tradition says that it is better not to chant. I have no individual opinion regarding this. The best recourse for someone who wishes to avail Gayathri Grace is to chant the Gayathri Sahasranaamam or Gayathri Sthothram (chaalisa is of recent origin; in my opinion, except Hanumaan Chaalisaa composed by Goswami Tulsi Das, the other chaalisaas have more of a devotional value as they are modelled after the Hanumaan chaalisaa and not too much of mantrik value). Otherwise, chanting " Om Shri Gaayathryai veda maatre namah " is the best way. Please read through the earlier post....I have given different options open before you. There are some controversies like " Can a person chant Gayathri without upanayanam, can women chant, " etc. which I studiously avoid because my views will be based only on traditions which might not be compatible with what you see today. A policeman uses a baton to control a crowd, but if we do it, it is considered manslaughter...is it not? A licensed person can drive vehicles while a person without license should not drive even if he is capable of driving! In the same way, deeksha samskaar or upanayanam are like license procedures.....Saapa Nivaaranam is like No-objection certificate or " fitness certificate " .....All these are important....you cannot say, I found a vehicle and I drove it....there is not need for license...nothing will happen, etc. Even a license person can meet with accidents, in that case insurance will cover the damages; but what will happen if an unlicensed person drives vehicles and gets involved in an accident? A similar analogy applies to mantras. Gayathri is a mahaa mantraa, and a powerful one. But that does not imply anyone can chant it casually. If that is so, why did the sages give elaborate procedures for upanayanam? By the way, Gayathri is not restricted only to Brahmins....Even non- Brahmins can chant Gayathri after upanayanam samskaar and getting initiation. For those who wish to chant Gaayathri mantra without upanayanam there is a Gayathri beeja mantra (composed only of beejas and no words except swaahaa). You can get that rare beeja mantra from competent Gurus and chant it (I doubt if you can get a proper Guru who knows this). So sticking to the Gayathri sthothram will be best for you. Otherwise, go for the tantrik Gayathri " Om Veda Maatre cha vidmahe Brahma Patnyai cha deemahii Tanno Gaayathri prachodyaat " Anybody can chant this without any restriction and without any fear of curses or ritual violations. May Veda Maata Gaayathri Bless everyone. PS: Dear Group: I do not want Mr. Lalith or his admirers here baiting me further with non-shastraic posts on this matter any further. I am still posting here keeping aside my personal pain just for the benefit of the group. What I have said is in consonance with shaastras and on the explicity query addressed to me. Any person with decency will avoid jutting in between. I am waiting for mr. Lalith's ban yet! This is not vengeance...but the command of a vedic Guru. Dharma shastra allows such actions. I have not hit him or done anything to him. I seek his banishment from a domain where you people wish me to be a Guru and guide the group. I am within my previleges to demand this. Otherwise, it is demeaning to my position as a Guru, and unless I am a Guru, I am not obliged to share my rare knowledge here. (Mr. Lalith may think any 100 Rs. book will teach these things; the truth is ...it is not possible. Many books barring a few exceptions are poorly researched and they cannot be relied on intricate dharma shastraic matters). Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology , " Manjunath, T (GE Healthcare) " wrote: > > Dear Shri. Pandit Dakshinamoorthi, > > Vanakkam, Please accept my sincere respects. > As a learner, many of your posts are highly educative & your > articulation & writing style is greatly admired. > > sir, your below mail on gayatri has confused me & therefore am writing > to you. i was planning to resume chanting this mantra shortly ( again > mainly prompted by the mails in the group) > > As a hindu non-brahmin, not acquainted with tradition & initiation > rituals, what can a average person chant. > i have even read ( not sure where) that un-initiated persons chant > gayatri by not chanting OM in the beginning of the mantra > > My request & query is to clarify how one can chant Gayatri without the > adverse effects. > > Kindly write in leisure & help us all as much details time permits you. > even suggestions of books to read, place to get initiation > in bangalore will help, my wife can read tamil, so pls. suggest > accordingly > > i have a different query on murugan yantra which i shall request > separately > am a noh brahmin hindu, vegetarian since 1.5 years, non smoker & do not > use liquor. > > Sincerely, > with best wishes & pranaams, > > Manju > > PS : for the group going-on's .. last night i remembered a statement > in tamil, am writing a rough translation, its a general statment & not > specific to anybody. > > " Those who believe you... No explanation is needed. Those who do not > believe you, No explanation can suffice " > > > ________________________________ > > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology ] On Behalf Of dakshinastrologer > Monday, August 06, 2007 10:25 PM > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE , OBSERVED > AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER > > > > Dear Shri. Chidambaram: > > Powerful mantras usually have a Utkeelana mantra or saapa nivaarana > mantra to get them activated and to remove the curses associated with > them. > > In fact the Great Gayathri mantra has 3 curses - Brahma saapa, > Vasishta saapa, and Viswaamitra saapa. This was because anyone > chanting the Gaayatri mantra can attain great siddhis, and such power > in the hands of persons with wrong attitudes can be disastrous to the > more pacific living entities including " gods and demi-gods " . Thus, > anyone chanting the Gaayathri mantra without saapa vimochana mantra > will actually not experience its full wonders. And those who chant > it without initiation will actually experience many obstacles and > dangers! It is stated in Viswamitra Samhita - Gaayathri paddati. > > " Saapa yuktaatu Gaayathri Chartur Varga phalaandakaa > Saapa muktaatu Gaayathri chatur varga phalpradaa " > > Means Gaayathri with Saapa (i.e without removal of curse) will cause > destruction of 4 fold attainments of life (Dharma - Righteous living, > Artha - righteous earning of money, Kaama - righteous enjoyment of > luxuries and pleasures, mokshaa - ultimate liberation), whereas > Gaayathri relieved of the curses will cause gain of the 4 fold > attainments. > > This injunction does not apply to those who do Gaayathri after > upanayanam where the relevant mantras of activation are anyhow > chanted. Even for these persons, the higher siddhis of the Gayathri > mantra are locked if they chant the Gayathri without saapa nivaarana > mantra. > > Again, when mantraas are chanted, we should offer respects to the > Rishis (mantra drushtaas - seers of the mantra who first identified > the mantra with their yogic vision); during the deeksha, naandi homam > is to be done to honour one's ancestors - When a person is about to > set foot in the path of spirituality, all his ancestors are happy and > will congregate in that place of deeksha earnestly. So, they should > be honoured auspiciously and their blessings should be sought. Then > one should make " Japa prathignyaa " means declaration that this is the > purpose of the deekshaa and I will definitely be regular in my > chantings and will use my power only for good purposes. Slipping in > this promise after getting siddhis has been the nemesis of many > mantra shaastra experts. > > Usually one should select one particular Deity (whatever it is) > either according to one's family customs or using astrological > methods to check Ishta/ phalana devataas, or by using one's own > intuition and natural predisposition to pray to a particular Deity. > The upaasanaa of that deity should be done after getting proper > deekshaa which will ensure speedy perfection. > > For an accomplished practitioner, it will be hardly a matter of half > an hour of preliminary mantrik routines, and then they can > concentrate on mantra japam as per their time availability and > convenience. During emergencies these procedures can be shortened. > > But,it is better to have a utkeelanam or saapa nivaaranam or kavacha > upadesham (most advanced mantras require kavacha recital before > chanting of moola mantraas) initiated at least once before one > proceeds with endless repetitions of mantras. If it could not be > done in the initial stages, at least when one reaches significant > land marks like 1 lakh japams, 24 lakh japams, or 1 crore japam > counts, they may have these special elements initiated which will > immediately unlock the stored potential of all the japams give > intense mystic experiences. Detailed procedures like yoginii > nyaasam, aksharaa nyaasam (meditating on different aksharaas in > different parts of the body as per traditions), etc. are also done > during deeksha which helps the body to resonate well with the mantra > being chanted.Advanced spiritual Gurus are capable of giving such an > experience by direct transfer of their power to the sishyaa. In such > a case, utkeelanam, kavacham, saapa nivaaranam, etc. are not > necessary at all! > > For most common mantras, the use of anga nyaasam, kara nyaasam, and > dig bandanam is enough; these procedures will be automatically given > in most standard works. > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology > , nagarajan chidambaram > wrote: > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience. > > > > I have been very closely following your posts and replies in this > group for the past one year and have had the getting a deeper > understanding on the subjects discussed. > > > > I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the right > way to chant a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have been > locked by the creators just like a software being locked in a way > that it can be used only by the user knowing the key. That is to say > that every mantra has a key and unless the person chanting the mantra > uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am told that even > the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only with > the use of the appropriate key. > > > > How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of your > stature. > > > > I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of the > right usage of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and help > humanity regain the lost science of using the vibrational science for > the benefit of mankind. > > > > Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my humble > and earnest prayer enlighten me. > > > > Your humble admirer, > > > > Nagaajan.C > > > > > > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click > here > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 just out of curiosity, why would the divine people curse gayatri for. I thought they themselves practised gayatri and were able to spiritually grow to a level where no ordinary man would have reached. I was searching the net for stories related to this curse but found none. So if somebody can enligten on this. I used to watch a program on zee and in tht a lady also said the same that she practised some 64000 odd times (i dont remember the number) but she suffered bad luck after the completion of the mantra and this was addressed to some tantrik practisioner. I dont remember exactly what he said but i guess he said she shld have done one more mantra to balance the power of gayatri. Bharat Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro vedic astrology Tuesday, August 7, 2007 6:39:13 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE , OBSERVED AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER ll HARE RAM ll Pandit Dakshinamoorthi ji, I am completely agreed with you that Gayatri Mantra is needed some protocol before chanting as to remove curses of Brahma,Vashistha, Visvamitra & Shukra and later doing proper visarjana otherwise it can be harmful.It is not the Mahamantra given in " Kulsantaran " Upnishad like " HARE RAM HARE RAM RAM RAM HARE HARE,HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE " that can be chanted by any one and any position.Gayatri Mantra is called the mother of all mantras.Even to add Samputa of Gayatri Mantra makes one Mantra so powerful. Regards Shashie Shekhar dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ .co. in> wrote: Dear Shri. Manjunath: The three curses to Gayathri mantra were given mainly to prevent " Rakshasaic " elements from getting unbridled power. So, if you are of a saatwik quality and you have got initiated into the mantra from someone, kindly keep chanting it. Otherwise, tradition says that it is better not to chant. I have no individual opinion regarding this. The best recourse for someone who wishes to avail Gayathri Grace is to chant the Gayathri Sahasranaamam or Gayathri Sthothram (chaalisa is of recent origin; in my opinion, except Hanumaan Chaalisaa composed by Goswami Tulsi Das, the other chaalisaas have more of a devotional value as they are modelled after the Hanumaan chaalisaa and not too much of mantrik value). Otherwise, chanting " Om Shri Gaayathryai veda maatre namah " is the best way. Please read through the earlier post....I have given different options open before you. There are some controversies like " Can a person chant Gayathri without upanayanam, can women chant, " etc. which I studiously avoid because my views will be based only on traditions which might not be compatible with what you see today. A policeman uses a baton to control a crowd, but if we do it, it is considered manslaughter. ..is it not? A licensed person can drive vehicles while a person without license should not drive even if he is capable of driving! In the same way, deeksha samskaar or upanayanam are like license procedures.. ...Saapa Nivaaranam is like No-objection certificate or " fitness certificate " .....All these are important... .you cannot say, I found a vehicle and I drove it....there is not need for license...nothing will happen, etc. Even a license person can meet with accidents, in that case insurance will cover the damages; but what will happen if an unlicensed person drives vehicles and gets involved in an accident? A similar analogy applies to mantras. Gayathri is a mahaa mantraa, and a powerful one. But that does not imply anyone can chant it casually. If that is so, why did the sages give elaborate procedures for upanayanam? By the way, Gayathri is not restricted only to Brahmins.... Even non- Brahmins can chant Gayathri after upanayanam samskaar and getting initiation. For those who wish to chant Gaayathri mantra without upanayanam there is a Gayathri beeja mantra (composed only of beejas and no words except swaahaa). You can get that rare beeja mantra from competent Gurus and chant it (I doubt if you can get a proper Guru who knows this). So sticking to the Gayathri sthothram will be best for you. Otherwise, go for the tantrik Gayathri " Om Veda Maatre cha vidmahe Brahma Patnyai cha deemahii Tanno Gaayathri prachodyaat " Anybody can chant this without any restriction and without any fear of curses or ritual violations. May Veda Maata Gaayathri Bless everyone. PS: Dear Group: I do not want Mr. Lalith or his admirers here baiting me further with non-shastraic posts on this matter any further. I am still posting here keeping aside my personal pain just for the benefit of the group. What I have said is in consonance with shaastras and on the explicity query addressed to me. Any person with decency will avoid jutting in between. I am waiting for mr. Lalith's ban yet! This is not vengeance... but the command of a vedic Guru. Dharma shastra allows such actions. I have not hit him or done anything to him. I seek his banishment from a domain where you people wish me to be a Guru and guide the group. I am within my previleges to demand this. Otherwise, it is demeaning to my position as a Guru, and unless I am a Guru, I am not obliged to share my rare knowledge here. (Mr. Lalith may think any 100 Rs. book will teach these things; the truth is ...it is not possible. Many books barring a few exceptions are poorly researched and they cannot be relied on intricate dharma shastraic matters). Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology, " Manjunath, T (GE Healthcare) " wrote: > > Dear Shri. Pandit Dakshinamoorthi, > > Vanakkam, Please accept my sincere respects. > As a learner, many of your posts are highly educative & your > articulation & writing style is greatly admired. > > sir, your below mail on gayatri has confused me & therefore am writing > to you. i was planning to resume chanting this mantra shortly ( again > mainly prompted by the mails in the group) > > As a hindu non-brahmin, not acquainted with tradition & initiation > rituals, what can a average person chant. > i have even read ( not sure where) that un-initiated persons chant > gayatri by not chanting OM in the beginning of the mantra > > My request & query is to clarify how one can chant Gayatri without the > adverse effects. > > Kindly write in leisure & help us all as much details time permits you. > even suggestions of books to read, place to get initiation > in bangalore will help, my wife can read tamil, so pls. suggest > accordingly > > i have a different query on murugan yantra which i shall request > separately > am a noh brahmin hindu, vegetarian since 1.5 years, non smoker & do not > use liquor. > > Sincerely, > with best wishes & pranaams, > > Manju > > PS : for the group going-on's .. last night i remembered a statement > in tamil, am writing a rough translation, its a general statment & not > specific to anybody. > > " Those who believe you... No explanation is needed. Those who do not > believe you, No explanation can suffice " > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of dakshinastrologer > Monday, August 06, 2007 10:25 PM > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE , OBSERVED > AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER > > > > Dear Shri. Chidambaram: > > Powerful mantras usually have a Utkeelana mantra or saapa nivaarana > mantra to get them activated and to remove the curses associated with > them. > > In fact the Great Gayathri mantra has 3 curses - Brahma saapa, > Vasishta saapa, and Viswaamitra saapa. This was because anyone > chanting the Gaayatri mantra can attain great siddhis, and such power > in the hands of persons with wrong attitudes can be disastrous to the > more pacific living entities including " gods and demi-gods " . Thus, > anyone chanting the Gaayathri mantra without saapa vimochana mantra > will actually not experience its full wonders. And those who chant > it without initiation will actually experience many obstacles and > dangers! It is stated in Viswamitra Samhita - Gaayathri paddati. > > " Saapa yuktaatu Gaayathri Chartur Varga phalaandakaa > Saapa muktaatu Gaayathri chatur varga phalpradaa " > > Means Gaayathri with Saapa (i.e without removal of curse) will cause > destruction of 4 fold attainments of life (Dharma - Righteous living, > Artha - righteous earning of money, Kaama - righteous enjoyment of > luxuries and pleasures, mokshaa - ultimate liberation), whereas > Gaayathri relieved of the curses will cause gain of the 4 fold > attainments. > > This injunction does not apply to those who do Gaayathri after > upanayanam where the relevant mantras of activation are anyhow > chanted. Even for these persons, the higher siddhis of the Gayathri > mantra are locked if they chant the Gayathri without saapa nivaarana > mantra. > > Again, when mantraas are chanted, we should offer respects to the > Rishis (mantra drushtaas - seers of the mantra who first identified > the mantra with their yogic vision); during the deeksha, naandi homam > is to be done to honour one's ancestors - When a person is about to > set foot in the path of spirituality, all his ancestors are happy and > will congregate in that place of deeksha earnestly. So, they should > be honoured auspiciously and their blessings should be sought. Then > one should make " Japa prathignyaa " means declaration that this is the > purpose of the deekshaa and I will definitely be regular in my > chantings and will use my power only for good purposes. Slipping in > this promise after getting siddhis has been the nemesis of many > mantra shaastra experts. > > Usually one should select one particular Deity (whatever it is) > either according to one's family customs or using astrological > methods to check Ishta/ phalana devataas, or by using one's own > intuition and natural predisposition to pray to a particular Deity. > The upaasanaa of that deity should be done after getting proper > deekshaa which will ensure speedy perfection. > > For an accomplished practitioner, it will be hardly a matter of half > an hour of preliminary mantrik routines, and then they can > concentrate on mantra japam as per their time availability and > convenience. During emergencies these procedures can be shortened. > > But,it is better to have a utkeelanam or saapa nivaaranam or kavacha > upadesham (most advanced mantras require kavacha recital before > chanting of moola mantraas) initiated at least once before one > proceeds with endless repetitions of mantras. If it could not be > done in the initial stages, at least when one reaches significant > land marks like 1 lakh japams, 24 lakh japams, or 1 crore japam > counts, they may have these special elements initiated which will > immediately unlock the stored potential of all the japams give > intense mystic experiences. Detailed procedures like yoginii > nyaasam, aksharaa nyaasam (meditating on different aksharaas in > different parts of the body as per traditions), etc. are also done > during deeksha which helps the body to resonate well with the mantra > being chanted.Advanced spiritual Gurus are capable of giving such an > experience by direct transfer of their power to the sishyaa. In such > a case, utkeelanam, kavacham, saapa nivaaranam, etc. are not > necessary at all! > > For most common mantras, the use of anga nyaasam, kara nyaasam, and > dig bandanam is enough; these procedures will be automatically given > in most standard works. > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology > , nagarajan chidambaram > wrote: > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience. > > > > I have been very closely following your posts and replies in this > group for the past one year and have had the getting a deeper > understanding on the subjects discussed. > > > > I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the right > way to chant a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have been > locked by the creators just like a software being locked in a way > that it can be used only by the user knowing the key. That is to say > that every mantra has a key and unless the person chanting the mantra > uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am told that even > the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only with > the use of the appropriate key. > > > > How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of your > stature. > > > > I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of the > right usage of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and help > humanity regain the lost science of using the vibrational science for > the benefit of mankind. > > > > Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my humble > and earnest prayer enlighten me. > > > > Your humble admirer, > > > > Nagaajan.C > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click > here > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Respected Sir, Thanks for your time & explanation. Sorry to say this, i am a bit disappointed to learn that chanting without initiation is not advisable. incase you can recommend someone in bangalore for iniateting me, please help me (or) being a guru, would you be able to initiate me incase i can travel to chennai, this would be best. as i am raw, your word will be final & i shall follow it without questioning. Please advice me personally. best regards Manju ________________________________ vedic astrology [vedic astrology ] On Behalf Of dakshinastrologer Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:19 PM vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE , OBSERVED AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER Dear Shri. Manjunath: The three curses to Gayathri mantra were given mainly to prevent " Rakshasaic " elements from getting unbridled power. So, if you are of a saatwik quality and you have got initiated into the mantra from someone, kindly keep chanting it. Otherwise, tradition says that it is better not to chant. I have no individual opinion regarding this. The best recourse for someone who wishes to avail Gayathri Grace is to chant the Gayathri Sahasranaamam or Gayathri Sthothram (chaalisa is of recent origin; in my opinion, except Hanumaan Chaalisaa composed by Goswami Tulsi Das, the other chaalisaas have more of a devotional value as they are modelled after the Hanumaan chaalisaa and not too much of mantrik value). Otherwise, chanting " Om Shri Gaayathryai veda maatre namah " is the best way. Please read through the earlier post....I have given different options open before you. There are some controversies like " Can a person chant Gayathri without upanayanam, can women chant, " etc. which I studiously avoid because my views will be based only on traditions which might not be compatible with what you see today. A policeman uses a baton to control a crowd, but if we do it, it is considered manslaughter...is it not? A licensed person can drive vehicles while a person without license should not drive even if he is capable of driving! In the same way, deeksha samskaar or upanayanam are like license procedures.....Saapa Nivaaranam is like No-objection certificate or " fitness certificate " .....All these are important....you cannot say, I found a vehicle and I drove it....there is not need for license...nothing will happen, etc. Even a license person can meet with accidents, in that case insurance will cover the damages; but what will happen if an unlicensed person drives vehicles and gets involved in an accident? A similar analogy applies to mantras. Gayathri is a mahaa mantraa, and a powerful one. But that does not imply anyone can chant it casually. If that is so, why did the sages give elaborate procedures for upanayanam? By the way, Gayathri is not restricted only to Brahmins....Even non- Brahmins can chant Gayathri after upanayanam samskaar and getting initiation. For those who wish to chant Gaayathri mantra without upanayanam there is a Gayathri beeja mantra (composed only of beejas and no words except swaahaa). You can get that rare beeja mantra from competent Gurus and chant it (I doubt if you can get a proper Guru who knows this). So sticking to the Gayathri sthothram will be best for you. Otherwise, go for the tantrik Gayathri " Om Veda Maatre cha vidmahe Brahma Patnyai cha deemahii Tanno Gaayathri prachodyaat " Anybody can chant this without any restriction and without any fear of curses or ritual violations. May Veda Maata Gaayathri Bless everyone. PS: Dear Group: I do not want Mr. Lalith or his admirers here baiting me further with non-shastraic posts on this matter any further. I am still posting here keeping aside my personal pain just for the benefit of the group. What I have said is in consonance with shaastras and on the explicity query addressed to me. Any person with decency will avoid jutting in between. I am waiting for mr. Lalith's ban yet! This is not vengeance...but the command of a vedic Guru. Dharma shastra allows such actions. I have not hit him or done anything to him. I seek his banishment from a domain where you people wish me to be a Guru and guide the group. I am within my previleges to demand this. Otherwise, it is demeaning to my position as a Guru, and unless I am a Guru, I am not obliged to share my rare knowledge here. (Mr. Lalith may think any 100 Rs. book will teach these things; the truth is ...it is not possible. Many books barring a few exceptions are poorly researched and they cannot be relied on intricate dharma shastraic matters). Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> , " Manjunath, T (GE Healthcare) " <T.Manjunath wrote: > > Dear Shri. Pandit Dakshinamoorthi, > > Vanakkam, Please accept my sincere respects. > As a learner, many of your posts are highly educative & your > articulation & writing style is greatly admired. > > sir, your below mail on gayatri has confused me & therefore am writing > to you. i was planning to resume chanting this mantra shortly ( again > mainly prompted by the mails in the group) > > As a hindu non-brahmin, not acquainted with tradition & initiation > rituals, what can a average person chant. > i have even read ( not sure where) that un-initiated persons chant > gayatri by not chanting OM in the beginning of the mantra > > My request & query is to clarify how one can chant Gayatri without the > adverse effects. > > Kindly write in leisure & help us all as much details time permits you. > even suggestions of books to read, place to get initiation > in bangalore will help, my wife can read tamil, so pls. suggest > accordingly > > i have a different query on murugan yantra which i shall request > separately > am a noh brahmin hindu, vegetarian since 1.5 years, non smoker & do not > use liquor. > > Sincerely, > with best wishes & pranaams, > > Manju > > PS : for the group going-on's .. last night i remembered a statement > in tamil, am writing a rough translation, its a general statment & not > specific to anybody. > > " Those who believe you... No explanation is needed. Those who do not > believe you, No explanation can suffice " > > > ________________________________ > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> > [vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> ] On Behalf Of dakshinastrologer > Monday, August 06, 2007 10:25 PM > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> > [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE , OBSERVED > AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER > > > > Dear Shri. Chidambaram: > > Powerful mantras usually have a Utkeelana mantra or saapa nivaarana > mantra to get them activated and to remove the curses associated with > them. > > In fact the Great Gayathri mantra has 3 curses - Brahma saapa, > Vasishta saapa, and Viswaamitra saapa. This was because anyone > chanting the Gaayatri mantra can attain great siddhis, and such power > in the hands of persons with wrong attitudes can be disastrous to the > more pacific living entities including " gods and demi-gods " . Thus, > anyone chanting the Gaayathri mantra without saapa vimochana mantra > will actually not experience its full wonders. And those who chant > it without initiation will actually experience many obstacles and > dangers! It is stated in Viswamitra Samhita - Gaayathri paddati. > > " Saapa yuktaatu Gaayathri Chartur Varga phalaandakaa > Saapa muktaatu Gaayathri chatur varga phalpradaa " > > Means Gaayathri with Saapa (i.e without removal of curse) will cause > destruction of 4 fold attainments of life (Dharma - Righteous living, > Artha - righteous earning of money, Kaama - righteous enjoyment of > luxuries and pleasures, mokshaa - ultimate liberation), whereas > Gaayathri relieved of the curses will cause gain of the 4 fold > attainments. > > This injunction does not apply to those who do Gaayathri after > upanayanam where the relevant mantras of activation are anyhow > chanted. Even for these persons, the higher siddhis of the Gayathri > mantra are locked if they chant the Gayathri without saapa nivaarana > mantra. > > Again, when mantraas are chanted, we should offer respects to the > Rishis (mantra drushtaas - seers of the mantra who first identified > the mantra with their yogic vision); during the deeksha, naandi homam > is to be done to honour one's ancestors - When a person is about to > set foot in the path of spirituality, all his ancestors are happy and > will congregate in that place of deeksha earnestly. So, they should > be honoured auspiciously and their blessings should be sought. Then > one should make " Japa prathignyaa " means declaration that this is the > purpose of the deekshaa and I will definitely be regular in my > chantings and will use my power only for good purposes. Slipping in > this promise after getting siddhis has been the nemesis of many > mantra shaastra experts. > > Usually one should select one particular Deity (whatever it is) > either according to one's family customs or using astrological > methods to check Ishta/ phalana devataas, or by using one's own > intuition and natural predisposition to pray to a particular Deity. > The upaasanaa of that deity should be done after getting proper > deekshaa which will ensure speedy perfection. > > For an accomplished practitioner, it will be hardly a matter of half > an hour of preliminary mantrik routines, and then they can > concentrate on mantra japam as per their time availability and > convenience. During emergencies these procedures can be shortened. > > But,it is better to have a utkeelanam or saapa nivaaranam or kavacha > upadesham (most advanced mantras require kavacha recital before > chanting of moola mantraas) initiated at least once before one > proceeds with endless repetitions of mantras. If it could not be > done in the initial stages, at least when one reaches significant > land marks like 1 lakh japams, 24 lakh japams, or 1 crore japam > counts, they may have these special elements initiated which will > immediately unlock the stored potential of all the japams give > intense mystic experiences. Detailed procedures like yoginii > nyaasam, aksharaa nyaasam (meditating on different aksharaas in > different parts of the body as per traditions), etc. are also done > during deeksha which helps the body to resonate well with the mantra > being chanted.Advanced spiritual Gurus are capable of giving such an > experience by direct transfer of their power to the sishyaa. In such > a case, utkeelanam, kavacham, saapa nivaaranam, etc. are not > necessary at all! > > For most common mantras, the use of anga nyaasam, kara nyaasam, and > dig bandanam is enough; these procedures will be automatically given > in most standard works. > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> > <vedic astrology%40> , nagarajan chidambaram > <ngrjn_chidambaram@> wrote: > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience. > > > > I have been very closely following your posts and replies in this > group for the past one year and have had the getting a deeper > understanding on the subjects discussed. > > > > I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the right > way to chant a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have been > locked by the creators just like a software being locked in a way > that it can be used only by the user knowing the key. That is to say > that every mantra has a key and unless the person chanting the mantra > uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am told that even > the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only with > the use of the appropriate key. > > > > How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of your > stature. > > > > I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of the > right usage of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and help > humanity regain the lost science of using the vibrational science for > the benefit of mankind. > > > > Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my humble > and earnest prayer enlighten me. > > > > Your humble admirer, > > > > Nagaajan.C > > > > > > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click > here > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Dear Bharat, There is a myth that the gayatri mantra is cursed, try to take it other way round, we people are curse by way of our attitude, behavior etc.. In fact, to realize the power of God within one should have quality of Vasistha, Vishwamitra and other sages.. A vasistha shapvimochana is in fact, a process to recognise the quality of vasistha and live upto this, means u will be a good learner, u will look at all the way u look at urself. a kind of equality in vision. A vishwamitra shapvimochana is in fact, a process to recognise the quality of vishwamitra and live upto this, means, u will leave ur bad instinct and laziness etc. u will be inovative, u will be skilled. you will not overlook the truth for any cause, a kind of activism. A brahma shapvimochana is in fact, a process to recognise the quality of brahma and live upto this, means u will be a source to new ideas, u will contribute to discover more. Sages saw the shortcomings in a man who wants to chant gayatri and catagorise shortcomings this way they used the term " Shapa " and then made a vimochana for the shapa. This is what i understood from my gayatri chanting, i have chanted gayatri for more than 20 years. The mantra and shloka which is there in shapa vimochanaa gives this sort of feelings to me which i shared with you. and let me tell you one more thing, mantra itself is no way dangerous or powerful, this is the god which grants u some qualities if u deserve and chant a mantra, thus u sound powerful on account of ur's mantra sadhnaa. see, despite all the war here, why they couldn't stop me with their occult power, where there power gone, any power is given to you if u are a good human being, keep it in ur mind, if u r fair to urself and to others same way. regards, Lalit. vedic astrology , Bharat Varma <ffmbvarma wrote: > > just out of curiosity, why would the divine people curse gayatri for. I thought they themselves practised gayatri and were able to spiritually grow to a level where no ordinary man would have reached. I was searching the net for stories related to this curse but found none. So if somebody can enligten on this. > > I used to watch a program on zee and in tht a lady also said the same that she practised some 64000 odd times (i dont remember the number) but she suffered bad luck after the completion of the mantra and this was addressed to some tantrik practisioner. I dont remember exactly what he said but i guess he said she shld have done one more mantra to balance the power of gayatri. > > Bharat > > > > > Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro > vedic astrology > Tuesday, August 7, 2007 6:39:13 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE , OBSERVED AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER > > ll HARE RAM ll > Pandit Dakshinamoorthi ji, > I am completely agreed with you that Gayatri Mantra is needed some protocol before chanting as to remove curses of Brahma,Vashistha, Visvamitra & Shukra and later doing proper visarjana otherwise it can be harmful.It is not the Mahamantra given in " Kulsantaran " Upnishad like " HARE RAM HARE RAM RAM RAM HARE HARE,HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE " that can be chanted by any one and any position.Gayatri Mantra is called the mother of all mantras.Even to add Samputa of Gayatri Mantra makes one Mantra so powerful. > > Regards > Shashie Shekhar > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ .co. in> wrote: > Dear Shri. Manjunath: > > The three curses to Gayathri mantra were given mainly to > prevent " Rakshasaic " elements from getting unbridled power. So, if > you are of a saatwik quality and you have got initiated into the > mantra from someone, kindly keep chanting it. Otherwise, tradition > says that it is better not to chant. I have no individual opinion > regarding this. > > The best recourse for someone who wishes to avail Gayathri Grace is > to chant the Gayathri Sahasranaamam or Gayathri Sthothram (chaalisa > is of recent origin; in my opinion, except Hanumaan Chaalisaa > composed by Goswami Tulsi Das, the other chaalisaas have more of a > devotional value as they are modelled after the Hanumaan chaalisaa > and not too much of mantrik value). > > Otherwise, chanting " Om Shri Gaayathryai veda maatre namah " is the > best way. > > Please read through the earlier post....I have given different > options open before you. > > There are some controversies like " Can a person chant Gayathri > without upanayanam, can women chant, " etc. which I studiously avoid > because my views will be based only on traditions which might not be > compatible with what you see today. > > A policeman uses a baton to control a crowd, but if we do it, it is > considered manslaughter. ..is it not? A licensed person can drive > vehicles while a person without license should not drive even if he > is capable of driving! In the same way, deeksha samskaar or > upanayanam are like license procedures.. ...Saapa Nivaaranam is like > No-objection certificate or " fitness certificate " .....All these are > important... .you cannot say, I found a vehicle and I drove > it....there is not need for license...nothing will happen, etc. > > Even a license person can meet with accidents, in that case insurance > will cover the damages; but what will happen if an unlicensed person > drives vehicles and gets involved in an accident? A similar analogy > applies to mantras. Gayathri is a mahaa mantraa, and a powerful > one. But that does not imply anyone can chant it casually. If that > is so, why did the sages give elaborate procedures for upanayanam? > > By the way, Gayathri is not restricted only to Brahmins.... Even non- > Brahmins can chant Gayathri after upanayanam samskaar and getting > initiation. > > For those who wish to chant Gaayathri mantra without upanayanam there > is a Gayathri beeja mantra (composed only of beejas and no words > except swaahaa). You can get that rare beeja mantra from competent > Gurus and chant it (I doubt if you can get a proper Guru who knows > this). So sticking to the Gayathri sthothram will be best for you. > > Otherwise, go for the tantrik Gayathri > " Om Veda Maatre cha vidmahe Brahma Patnyai cha deemahii > Tanno Gaayathri prachodyaat " > > Anybody can chant this without any restriction and without any fear > of curses or ritual violations. > > May Veda Maata Gaayathri Bless everyone. > > PS: Dear Group: I do not want Mr. Lalith or his admirers here > baiting me further with non-shastraic posts on this matter any > further. I am still posting here keeping aside my personal pain just > for the benefit of the group. What I have said is in consonance with > shaastras and on the explicity query addressed to me. Any person > with decency will avoid jutting in between. I am waiting for mr. > Lalith's ban yet! This is not vengeance... but the command of a vedic > Guru. Dharma shastra allows such actions. I have not hit him or > done anything to him. I seek his banishment from a domain where you > people wish me to be a Guru and guide the group. I am within my > previleges to demand this. Otherwise, it is demeaning to my position > as a Guru, and unless I am a Guru, I am not obliged to share my rare > knowledge here. (Mr. Lalith may think any 100 Rs. book will teach > these things; the truth is ...it is not possible. Many books barring > a few exceptions are poorly researched and they cannot be relied on > intricate dharma shastraic matters). > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology, " Manjunath, T (GE > Healthcare) " wrote: > > > > Dear Shri. Pandit Dakshinamoorthi, > > > > Vanakkam, Please accept my sincere respects. > > As a learner, many of your posts are highly educative & your > > articulation & writing style is greatly admired. > > > > sir, your below mail on gayatri has confused me & therefore am > writing > > to you. i was planning to resume chanting this mantra shortly ( > again > > mainly prompted by the mails in the group) > > > > As a hindu non-brahmin, not acquainted with tradition & initiation > > rituals, what can a average person chant. > > i have even read ( not sure where) that un-initiated persons chant > > gayatri by not chanting OM in the beginning of the mantra > > > > My request & query is to clarify how one can chant Gayatri without > the > > adverse effects. > > > > Kindly write in leisure & help us all as much details time permits > you. > > even suggestions of books to read, place to get initiation > > in bangalore will help, my wife can read tamil, so pls. suggest > > accordingly > > > > i have a different query on murugan yantra which i shall request > > separately > > am a noh brahmin hindu, vegetarian since 1.5 years, non smoker & do > not > > use liquor. > > > > Sincerely, > > with best wishes & pranaams, > > > > Manju > > > > PS : for the group going-on's .. last night i remembered a > statement > > in tamil, am writing a rough translation, its a general statment & > not > > specific to anybody. > > > > " Those who believe you... No explanation is needed. Those who do > not > > believe you, No explanation can suffice " > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > vedic astrology > > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of > dakshinastrologer > > Monday, August 06, 2007 10:25 PM > > vedic astrology > > [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE , > OBSERVED > > AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Chidambaram: > > > > Powerful mantras usually have a Utkeelana mantra or saapa nivaarana > > mantra to get them activated and to remove the curses associated > with > > them. > > > > In fact the Great Gayathri mantra has 3 curses - Brahma saapa, > > Vasishta saapa, and Viswaamitra saapa. This was because anyone > > chanting the Gaayatri mantra can attain great siddhis, and such > power > > in the hands of persons with wrong attitudes can be disastrous to > the > > more pacific living entities including " gods and demi-gods " . Thus, > > anyone chanting the Gaayathri mantra without saapa vimochana mantra > > will actually not experience its full wonders. And those who chant > > it without initiation will actually experience many obstacles and > > dangers! It is stated in Viswamitra Samhita - Gaayathri paddati. > > > > " Saapa yuktaatu Gaayathri Chartur Varga phalaandakaa > > Saapa muktaatu Gaayathri chatur varga phalpradaa " > > > > Means Gaayathri with Saapa (i.e without removal of curse) will > cause > > destruction of 4 fold attainments of life (Dharma - Righteous > living, > > Artha - righteous earning of money, Kaama - righteous enjoyment of > > luxuries and pleasures, mokshaa - ultimate liberation), whereas > > Gaayathri relieved of the curses will cause gain of the 4 fold > > attainments. > > > > This injunction does not apply to those who do Gaayathri after > > upanayanam where the relevant mantras of activation are anyhow > > chanted. Even for these persons, the higher siddhis of the Gayathri > > mantra are locked if they chant the Gayathri without saapa > nivaarana > > mantra. > > > > Again, when mantraas are chanted, we should offer respects to the > > Rishis (mantra drushtaas - seers of the mantra who first identified > > the mantra with their yogic vision); during the deeksha, naandi > homam > > is to be done to honour one's ancestors - When a person is about to > > set foot in the path of spirituality, all his ancestors are happy > and > > will congregate in that place of deeksha earnestly. So, they should > > be honoured auspiciously and their blessings should be sought. Then > > one should make " Japa prathignyaa " means declaration that this is > the > > purpose of the deekshaa and I will definitely be regular in my > > chantings and will use my power only for good purposes. Slipping in > > this promise after getting siddhis has been the nemesis of many > > mantra shaastra experts. > > > > Usually one should select one particular Deity (whatever it is) > > either according to one's family customs or using astrological > > methods to check Ishta/ phalana devataas, or by using one's own > > intuition and natural predisposition to pray to a particular Deity. > > The upaasanaa of that deity should be done after getting proper > > deekshaa which will ensure speedy perfection. > > > > For an accomplished practitioner, it will be hardly a matter of > half > > an hour of preliminary mantrik routines, and then they can > > concentrate on mantra japam as per their time availability and > > convenience. During emergencies these procedures can be shortened. > > > > But,it is better to have a utkeelanam or saapa nivaaranam or > kavacha > > upadesham (most advanced mantras require kavacha recital before > > chanting of moola mantraas) initiated at least once before one > > proceeds with endless repetitions of mantras. If it could not be > > done in the initial stages, at least when one reaches significant > > land marks like 1 lakh japams, 24 lakh japams, or 1 crore japam > > counts, they may have these special elements initiated which will > > immediately unlock the stored potential of all the japams give > > intense mystic experiences. Detailed procedures like yoginii > > nyaasam, aksharaa nyaasam (meditating on different aksharaas in > > different parts of the body as per traditions), etc. are also done > > during deeksha which helps the body to resonate well with the > mantra > > being chanted.Advanced spiritual Gurus are capable of giving such > an > > experience by direct transfer of their power to the sishyaa. In > such > > a case, utkeelanam, kavacham, saapa nivaaranam, etc. are not > > necessary at all! > > > > For most common mantras, the use of anga nyaasam, kara nyaasam, and > > dig bandanam is enough; these procedures will be automatically > given > > in most standard works. > > > > Blessed be. > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > vedic astrology > > , nagarajan chidambaram > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > > > Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience. > > > > > > I have been very closely following your posts and replies in this > > group for the past one year and have had the getting a deeper > > understanding on the subjects discussed. > > > > > > I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the right > > way to chant a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have been > > locked by the creators just like a software being locked in a way > > that it can be used only by the user knowing the key. That is to > say > > that every mantra has a key and unless the person chanting the > mantra > > uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am told that even > > the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only with > > the use of the appropriate key. > > > > > > How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of your > > stature. > > > > > > I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of the > > right usage of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and > help > > humanity regain the lost science of using the vibrational science > for > > the benefit of mankind. > > > > > > Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my > humble > > and earnest prayer enlighten me. > > > > > > Your humble admirer, > > > > > > Nagaajan.C > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. 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Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Dear Shri. Manjunath: If you can still respect me after all this controversies in this group, and are willing to get initiation from me, I will be most happy to initiate you into Gayathri mantra. Of course, you will have to travel to Chennai for this. Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology , " Manjunath, T (GE Healthcare) " <T.Manjunath wrote: > > Respected Sir, Thanks for your time & explanation. > > Sorry to say this, i am a bit disappointed to learn that chanting > without initiation is not advisable. > > incase you can recommend someone in bangalore for iniateting me, please > help me > (or) > being a guru, would you be able to initiate me incase i can travel to > chennai, this would be best. > as i am raw, your word will be final & i shall follow it without > questioning. > > Please advice me personally. > > best regards > Manju > > > ________________________________ > > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology ] On Behalf Of dakshinastrologer > Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:19 PM > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE , OBSERVED > AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER > > > > Dear Shri. Manjunath: > > The three curses to Gayathri mantra were given mainly to > prevent " Rakshasaic " elements from getting unbridled power. So, if > you are of a saatwik quality and you have got initiated into the > mantra from someone, kindly keep chanting it. Otherwise, tradition > says that it is better not to chant. I have no individual opinion > regarding this. > > The best recourse for someone who wishes to avail Gayathri Grace is > to chant the Gayathri Sahasranaamam or Gayathri Sthothram (chaalisa > is of recent origin; in my opinion, except Hanumaan Chaalisaa > composed by Goswami Tulsi Das, the other chaalisaas have more of a > devotional value as they are modelled after the Hanumaan chaalisaa > and not too much of mantrik value). > > Otherwise, chanting " Om Shri Gaayathryai veda maatre namah " is the > best way. > > Please read through the earlier post....I have given different > options open before you. > > There are some controversies like " Can a person chant Gayathri > without upanayanam, can women chant, " etc. which I studiously avoid > because my views will be based only on traditions which might not be > compatible with what you see today. > > A policeman uses a baton to control a crowd, but if we do it, it is > considered manslaughter...is it not? A licensed person can drive > vehicles while a person without license should not drive even if he > is capable of driving! In the same way, deeksha samskaar or > upanayanam are like license procedures.....Saapa Nivaaranam is like > No-objection certificate or " fitness certificate " .....All these are > important....you cannot say, I found a vehicle and I drove > it....there is not need for license...nothing will happen, etc. > > Even a license person can meet with accidents, in that case insurance > will cover the damages; but what will happen if an unlicensed person > drives vehicles and gets involved in an accident? A similar analogy > applies to mantras. Gayathri is a mahaa mantraa, and a powerful > one. But that does not imply anyone can chant it casually. If that > is so, why did the sages give elaborate procedures for upanayanam? > > By the way, Gayathri is not restricted only to Brahmins....Even non- > Brahmins can chant Gayathri after upanayanam samskaar and getting > initiation. > > For those who wish to chant Gaayathri mantra without upanayanam there > is a Gayathri beeja mantra (composed only of beejas and no words > except swaahaa). You can get that rare beeja mantra from competent > Gurus and chant it (I doubt if you can get a proper Guru who knows > this). So sticking to the Gayathri sthothram will be best for you. > > Otherwise, go for the tantrik Gayathri > " Om Veda Maatre cha vidmahe Brahma Patnyai cha deemahii > Tanno Gaayathri prachodyaat " > > Anybody can chant this without any restriction and without any fear > of curses or ritual violations. > > May Veda Maata Gaayathri Bless everyone. > > PS: Dear Group: I do not want Mr. Lalith or his admirers here > baiting me further with non-shastraic posts on this matter any > further. I am still posting here keeping aside my personal pain just > for the benefit of the group. What I have said is in consonance with > shaastras and on the explicity query addressed to me. Any person > with decency will avoid jutting in between. I am waiting for mr. > Lalith's ban yet! This is not vengeance...but the command of a vedic > Guru. Dharma shastra allows such actions. I have not hit him or > done anything to him. I seek his banishment from a domain where you > people wish me to be a Guru and guide the group. I am within my > previleges to demand this. Otherwise, it is demeaning to my position > as a Guru, and unless I am a Guru, I am not obliged to share my rare > knowledge here. (Mr. Lalith may think any 100 Rs. book will teach > these things; the truth is ...it is not possible. Many books barring > a few exceptions are poorly researched and they cannot be relied on > intricate dharma shastraic matters). > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> , " Manjunath, T (GE > Healthcare) " <T.Manjunath@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri. Pandit Dakshinamoorthi, > > > > Vanakkam, Please accept my sincere respects. > > As a learner, many of your posts are highly educative & your > > articulation & writing style is greatly admired. > > > > sir, your below mail on gayatri has confused me & therefore am > writing > > to you. i was planning to resume chanting this mantra shortly ( > again > > mainly prompted by the mails in the group) > > > > As a hindu non-brahmin, not acquainted with tradition & initiation > > rituals, what can a average person chant. > > i have even read ( not sure where) that un-initiated persons chant > > gayatri by not chanting OM in the beginning of the mantra > > > > My request & query is to clarify how one can chant Gayatri without > the > > adverse effects. > > > > Kindly write in leisure & help us all as much details time permits > you. > > even suggestions of books to read, place to get initiation > > in bangalore will help, my wife can read tamil, so pls. suggest > > accordingly > > > > i have a different query on murugan yantra which i shall request > > separately > > am a noh brahmin hindu, vegetarian since 1.5 years, non smoker & do > not > > use liquor. > > > > Sincerely, > > with best wishes & pranaams, > > > > Manju > > > > PS : for the group going-on's .. last night i remembered a > statement > > in tamil, am writing a rough translation, its a general statment & > not > > specific to anybody. > > > > " Those who believe you... No explanation is needed. Those who do > not > > believe you, No explanation can suffice " > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > [vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> ] On Behalf Of > dakshinastrologer > > Monday, August 06, 2007 10:25 PM > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE , > OBSERVED > > AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Chidambaram: > > > > Powerful mantras usually have a Utkeelana mantra or saapa nivaarana > > mantra to get them activated and to remove the curses associated > with > > them. > > > > In fact the Great Gayathri mantra has 3 curses - Brahma saapa, > > Vasishta saapa, and Viswaamitra saapa. This was because anyone > > chanting the Gaayatri mantra can attain great siddhis, and such > power > > in the hands of persons with wrong attitudes can be disastrous to > the > > more pacific living entities including " gods and demi-gods " . Thus, > > anyone chanting the Gaayathri mantra without saapa vimochana mantra > > will actually not experience its full wonders. And those who chant > > it without initiation will actually experience many obstacles and > > dangers! It is stated in Viswamitra Samhita - Gaayathri paddati. > > > > " Saapa yuktaatu Gaayathri Chartur Varga phalaandakaa > > Saapa muktaatu Gaayathri chatur varga phalpradaa " > > > > Means Gaayathri with Saapa (i.e without removal of curse) will > cause > > destruction of 4 fold attainments of life (Dharma - Righteous > living, > > Artha - righteous earning of money, Kaama - righteous enjoyment of > > luxuries and pleasures, mokshaa - ultimate liberation), whereas > > Gaayathri relieved of the curses will cause gain of the 4 fold > > attainments. > > > > This injunction does not apply to those who do Gaayathri after > > upanayanam where the relevant mantras of activation are anyhow > > chanted. Even for these persons, the higher siddhis of the Gayathri > > mantra are locked if they chant the Gayathri without saapa > nivaarana > > mantra. > > > > Again, when mantraas are chanted, we should offer respects to the > > Rishis (mantra drushtaas - seers of the mantra who first identified > > the mantra with their yogic vision); during the deeksha, naandi > homam > > is to be done to honour one's ancestors - When a person is about to > > set foot in the path of spirituality, all his ancestors are happy > and > > will congregate in that place of deeksha earnestly. So, they should > > be honoured auspiciously and their blessings should be sought. Then > > one should make " Japa prathignyaa " means declaration that this is > the > > purpose of the deekshaa and I will definitely be regular in my > > chantings and will use my power only for good purposes. Slipping in > > this promise after getting siddhis has been the nemesis of many > > mantra shaastra experts. > > > > Usually one should select one particular Deity (whatever it is) > > either according to one's family customs or using astrological > > methods to check Ishta/ phalana devataas, or by using one's own > > intuition and natural predisposition to pray to a particular Deity. > > The upaasanaa of that deity should be done after getting proper > > deekshaa which will ensure speedy perfection. > > > > For an accomplished practitioner, it will be hardly a matter of > half > > an hour of preliminary mantrik routines, and then they can > > concentrate on mantra japam as per their time availability and > > convenience. During emergencies these procedures can be shortened. > > > > But,it is better to have a utkeelanam or saapa nivaaranam or > kavacha > > upadesham (most advanced mantras require kavacha recital before > > chanting of moola mantraas) initiated at least once before one > > proceeds with endless repetitions of mantras. If it could not be > > done in the initial stages, at least when one reaches significant > > land marks like 1 lakh japams, 24 lakh japams, or 1 crore japam > > counts, they may have these special elements initiated which will > > immediately unlock the stored potential of all the japams give > > intense mystic experiences. Detailed procedures like yoginii > > nyaasam, aksharaa nyaasam (meditating on different aksharaas in > > different parts of the body as per traditions), etc. are also done > > during deeksha which helps the body to resonate well with the > mantra > > being chanted.Advanced spiritual Gurus are capable of giving such > an > > experience by direct transfer of their power to the sishyaa. In > such > > a case, utkeelanam, kavacham, saapa nivaaranam, etc. are not > > necessary at all! > > > > For most common mantras, the use of anga nyaasam, kara nyaasam, and > > dig bandanam is enough; these procedures will be automatically > given > > in most standard works. > > > > Blessed be. > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > <vedic astrology%40> , nagarajan chidambaram > > <ngrjn_chidambaram@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > > > Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience. > > > > > > I have been very closely following your posts and replies in this > > group for the past one year and have had the getting a deeper > > understanding on the subjects discussed. > > > > > > I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the right > > way to chant a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have been > > locked by the creators just like a software being locked in a way > > that it can be used only by the user knowing the key. That is to > say > > that every mantra has a key and unless the person chanting the > mantra > > uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am told that even > > the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only with > > the use of the appropriate key. > > > > > > How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of your > > stature. > > > > > > I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of the > > right usage of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and > help > > humanity regain the lost science of using the vibrational science > for > > the benefit of mankind. > > > > > > Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my > humble > > and earnest prayer enlighten me. > > > > > > Your humble admirer, > > > > > > Nagaajan.C > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click > > here > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Dear Respected Sir, i am very happy & glad that you have accepted to initiate me. i consider it my good fortune & the grace of god. i shall make my travel plans around 19 - 20th to chennai & let you know sir. kindly drop me a personal mail on any other aspects. As for the controversies, as the saying goes, the Lotus flower blooms & remains pointed skyward inspite of not so clean sorroundings. similarly, i pray these temporary disturbances do not distract you from your greater goal of spreading wisdom & reducing people's karma seeking your blessings, Sincerely, Manju ________________________________ vedic astrology [vedic astrology ] On Behalf Of dakshinastrologer Tuesday, August 07, 2007 6:53 PM vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE , OBSERVED AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER Dear Shri. Manjunath: If you can still respect me after all this controversies in this group, and are willing to get initiation from me, I will be most happy to initiate you into Gayathri mantra. Of course, you will have to travel to Chennai for this. Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> , " Manjunath, T (GE Healthcare) " <T.Manjunath wrote: > > Respected Sir, Thanks for your time & explanation. > > Sorry to say this, i am a bit disappointed to learn that chanting > without initiation is not advisable. > > incase you can recommend someone in bangalore for iniateting me, please > help me > (or) > being a guru, would you be able to initiate me incase i can travel to > chennai, this would be best. > as i am raw, your word will be final & i shall follow it without > questioning. > > Please advice me personally. > > best regards > Manju > > > ________________________________ > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> > [vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> ] On Behalf Of dakshinastrologer > Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:19 PM > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> > [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE , OBSERVED > AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER > > > > Dear Shri. Manjunath: > > The three curses to Gayathri mantra were given mainly to > prevent " Rakshasaic " elements from getting unbridled power. So, if > you are of a saatwik quality and you have got initiated into the > mantra from someone, kindly keep chanting it. Otherwise, tradition > says that it is better not to chant. I have no individual opinion > regarding this. > > The best recourse for someone who wishes to avail Gayathri Grace is > to chant the Gayathri Sahasranaamam or Gayathri Sthothram (chaalisa > is of recent origin; in my opinion, except Hanumaan Chaalisaa > composed by Goswami Tulsi Das, the other chaalisaas have more of a > devotional value as they are modelled after the Hanumaan chaalisaa > and not too much of mantrik value). > > Otherwise, chanting " Om Shri Gaayathryai veda maatre namah " is the > best way. > > Please read through the earlier post....I have given different > options open before you. > > There are some controversies like " Can a person chant Gayathri > without upanayanam, can women chant, " etc. which I studiously avoid > because my views will be based only on traditions which might not be > compatible with what you see today. > > A policeman uses a baton to control a crowd, but if we do it, it is > considered manslaughter...is it not? A licensed person can drive > vehicles while a person without license should not drive even if he > is capable of driving! In the same way, deeksha samskaar or > upanayanam are like license procedures.....Saapa Nivaaranam is like > No-objection certificate or " fitness certificate " .....All these are > important....you cannot say, I found a vehicle and I drove > it....there is not need for license...nothing will happen, etc. > > Even a license person can meet with accidents, in that case insurance > will cover the damages; but what will happen if an unlicensed person > drives vehicles and gets involved in an accident? A similar analogy > applies to mantras. Gayathri is a mahaa mantraa, and a powerful > one. But that does not imply anyone can chant it casually. If that > is so, why did the sages give elaborate procedures for upanayanam? > > By the way, Gayathri is not restricted only to Brahmins....Even non- > Brahmins can chant Gayathri after upanayanam samskaar and getting > initiation. > > For those who wish to chant Gaayathri mantra without upanayanam there > is a Gayathri beeja mantra (composed only of beejas and no words > except swaahaa). You can get that rare beeja mantra from competent > Gurus and chant it (I doubt if you can get a proper Guru who knows > this). So sticking to the Gayathri sthothram will be best for you. > > Otherwise, go for the tantrik Gayathri > " Om Veda Maatre cha vidmahe Brahma Patnyai cha deemahii > Tanno Gaayathri prachodyaat " > > Anybody can chant this without any restriction and without any fear > of curses or ritual violations. > > May Veda Maata Gaayathri Bless everyone. > > PS: Dear Group: I do not want Mr. Lalith or his admirers here > baiting me further with non-shastraic posts on this matter any > further. I am still posting here keeping aside my personal pain just > for the benefit of the group. What I have said is in consonance with > shaastras and on the explicity query addressed to me. Any person > with decency will avoid jutting in between. I am waiting for mr. > Lalith's ban yet! This is not vengeance...but the command of a vedic > Guru. Dharma shastra allows such actions. I have not hit him or > done anything to him. I seek his banishment from a domain where you > people wish me to be a Guru and guide the group. I am within my > previleges to demand this. Otherwise, it is demeaning to my position > as a Guru, and unless I am a Guru, I am not obliged to share my rare > knowledge here. (Mr. Lalith may think any 100 Rs. book will teach > these things; the truth is ...it is not possible. Many books barring > a few exceptions are poorly researched and they cannot be relied on > intricate dharma shastraic matters). > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> > <vedic astrology%40> , " Manjunath, T (GE > Healthcare) " <T.Manjunath@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri. Pandit Dakshinamoorthi, > > > > Vanakkam, Please accept my sincere respects. > > As a learner, many of your posts are highly educative & your > > articulation & writing style is greatly admired. > > > > sir, your below mail on gayatri has confused me & therefore am > writing > > to you. i was planning to resume chanting this mantra shortly ( > again > > mainly prompted by the mails in the group) > > > > As a hindu non-brahmin, not acquainted with tradition & initiation > > rituals, what can a average person chant. > > i have even read ( not sure where) that un-initiated persons chant > > gayatri by not chanting OM in the beginning of the mantra > > > > My request & query is to clarify how one can chant Gayatri without > the > > adverse effects. > > > > Kindly write in leisure & help us all as much details time permits > you. > > even suggestions of books to read, place to get initiation > > in bangalore will help, my wife can read tamil, so pls. suggest > > accordingly > > > > i have a different query on murugan yantra which i shall request > > separately > > am a noh brahmin hindu, vegetarian since 1.5 years, non smoker & do > not > > use liquor. > > > > Sincerely, > > with best wishes & pranaams, > > > > Manju > > > > PS : for the group going-on's .. last night i remembered a > statement > > in tamil, am writing a rough translation, its a general statment & > not > > specific to anybody. > > > > " Those who believe you... No explanation is needed. Those who do > not > > believe you, No explanation can suffice " > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> > <vedic astrology%40> > > [vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> > <vedic astrology%40> ] On Behalf Of > dakshinastrologer > > Monday, August 06, 2007 10:25 PM > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> > <vedic astrology%40> > > [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE , > OBSERVED > > AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Chidambaram: > > > > Powerful mantras usually have a Utkeelana mantra or saapa nivaarana > > mantra to get them activated and to remove the curses associated > with > > them. > > > > In fact the Great Gayathri mantra has 3 curses - Brahma saapa, > > Vasishta saapa, and Viswaamitra saapa. This was because anyone > > chanting the Gaayatri mantra can attain great siddhis, and such > power > > in the hands of persons with wrong attitudes can be disastrous to > the > > more pacific living entities including " gods and demi-gods " . Thus, > > anyone chanting the Gaayathri mantra without saapa vimochana mantra > > will actually not experience its full wonders. And those who chant > > it without initiation will actually experience many obstacles and > > dangers! It is stated in Viswamitra Samhita - Gaayathri paddati. > > > > " Saapa yuktaatu Gaayathri Chartur Varga phalaandakaa > > Saapa muktaatu Gaayathri chatur varga phalpradaa " > > > > Means Gaayathri with Saapa (i.e without removal of curse) will > cause > > destruction of 4 fold attainments of life (Dharma - Righteous > living, > > Artha - righteous earning of money, Kaama - righteous enjoyment of > > luxuries and pleasures, mokshaa - ultimate liberation), whereas > > Gaayathri relieved of the curses will cause gain of the 4 fold > > attainments. > > > > This injunction does not apply to those who do Gaayathri after > > upanayanam where the relevant mantras of activation are anyhow > > chanted. Even for these persons, the higher siddhis of the Gayathri > > mantra are locked if they chant the Gayathri without saapa > nivaarana > > mantra. > > > > Again, when mantraas are chanted, we should offer respects to the > > Rishis (mantra drushtaas - seers of the mantra who first identified > > the mantra with their yogic vision); during the deeksha, naandi > homam > > is to be done to honour one's ancestors - When a person is about to > > set foot in the path of spirituality, all his ancestors are happy > and > > will congregate in that place of deeksha earnestly. So, they should > > be honoured auspiciously and their blessings should be sought. Then > > one should make " Japa prathignyaa " means declaration that this is > the > > purpose of the deekshaa and I will definitely be regular in my > > chantings and will use my power only for good purposes. Slipping in > > this promise after getting siddhis has been the nemesis of many > > mantra shaastra experts. > > > > Usually one should select one particular Deity (whatever it is) > > either according to one's family customs or using astrological > > methods to check Ishta/ phalana devataas, or by using one's own > > intuition and natural predisposition to pray to a particular Deity. > > The upaasanaa of that deity should be done after getting proper > > deekshaa which will ensure speedy perfection. > > > > For an accomplished practitioner, it will be hardly a matter of > half > > an hour of preliminary mantrik routines, and then they can > > concentrate on mantra japam as per their time availability and > > convenience. During emergencies these procedures can be shortened. > > > > But,it is better to have a utkeelanam or saapa nivaaranam or > kavacha > > upadesham (most advanced mantras require kavacha recital before > > chanting of moola mantraas) initiated at least once before one > > proceeds with endless repetitions of mantras. If it could not be > > done in the initial stages, at least when one reaches significant > > land marks like 1 lakh japams, 24 lakh japams, or 1 crore japam > > counts, they may have these special elements initiated which will > > immediately unlock the stored potential of all the japams give > > intense mystic experiences. Detailed procedures like yoginii > > nyaasam, aksharaa nyaasam (meditating on different aksharaas in > > different parts of the body as per traditions), etc. are also done > > during deeksha which helps the body to resonate well with the > mantra > > being chanted.Advanced spiritual Gurus are capable of giving such > an > > experience by direct transfer of their power to the sishyaa. In > such > > a case, utkeelanam, kavacham, saapa nivaaranam, etc. are not > > necessary at all! > > > > For most common mantras, the use of anga nyaasam, kara nyaasam, and > > dig bandanam is enough; these procedures will be automatically > given > > in most standard works. > > > > Blessed be. > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> > <vedic astrology%40> > > <vedic astrology%40> , nagarajan chidambaram > > <ngrjn_chidambaram@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > > > Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience. > > > > > > I have been very closely following your posts and replies in this > > group for the past one year and have had the getting a deeper > > understanding on the subjects discussed. > > > > > > I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the right > > way to chant a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have been > > locked by the creators just like a software being locked in a way > > that it can be used only by the user knowing the key. That is to > say > > that every mantra has a key and unless the person chanting the > mantra > > uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am told that even > > the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only with > > the use of the appropriate key. > > > > > > How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of your > > stature. > > > > > > I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of the > > right usage of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and > help > > humanity regain the lost science of using the vibrational science > for > > the benefit of mankind. > > > > > > Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my > humble > > and earnest prayer enlighten me. > > > > > > Your humble admirer, > > > > > > Nagaajan.C > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click > > here > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Dear Shri. Bharat: If you read my earlier post on this, it will be clear....the curses were so that " rakshasaic elements " do not get the full potential of the chanting. Rakshasaas do not necessarily mean eery monsters with long fangs and big body! Anyone who harasses others unnecessarily is a raakshasaa! Anyone who trashes shaastraas and claims his philosophy is superior is a raakshasaa! Anyone who is uncomfortable in the presence of dharmic persons and tries to harass them is a raakshasaa! Anyone who " steals " knowledge (pilfering information from internet without acknowledging the source, not respecting a Guru but exploiting the knowledge from his posts) is a raakshasaa...Anybody who keeps on criticizing others without any noble reason but out of jealousy and personal enmity baselessly spoiling the serene atmosphere of a place by dragging people on and on into controversies even after they stop arguing, etc. is a raakshasaa..... Raakshasaic elements believe in mantrik power and occult, but they do not believe in innate goodness of man and the Grace of God. So, they will chant mantras at any time and everytime without caring whether such chants will be good for the world.(astrologically certain days are tabooed for vedic recitals, like ashtami, Navami, etc. These days are used for other poojas and learning vedic portions are stopped on those days because it is inauspicious not merely to the chanter but to the whole world in subtle ways; I have observed that this is not being followed now-a-days). Tapasya never goes in vain. Even greatest sinners can attain siddhis......Please note, presence of siddhi in a person is not an evidence of their nobility....Raakshasaas had inborn siddhis! You will find that in nature, those who do mistakes are more persistent than those with noble habits. Those who support a noble cause will just say one or two words and move away with pain that they are not able to help matters. But rakshasic elements will never leave a matter. It is their strength and weakness. Coming to Gayathri saadhanaa, if raakshasaas chant the mantra which is the BEST of all mantraas, and get siddhi in that, they will never be vanquished. The sages who insisted on " Vaasudaiva Kudumbakam " also knew that certain disruptive elements should be cut off from that circle. So, they thought that raakshasic elements should not get the full benefit of the mantra which might be dangerous to others. Hence those 3 Great Souls gave curses to the Holy Gaayathri mantra. The weakness of the raakshasaas is that they can keep on doing things persistently, but if you insist on procedures and proper way, they cannot do that, because their arrogance will prevent them from following set disciplines......So, naturally when these curses were placed on Gaayathri mantra, the potency of the mantra was saved from bad elements who will happily chant without curse removal and will trash all such suggestions, and thus be denied the full benefit of the recital so that the effect of the Gaayathri which is supposed to grant all desires including final emancipation of the soul will be curtailed in those cases and will stop with giving mundane benefits which are changeable (Once a person attain mundane benefits out of japa power, the japa siddhi gets reduced just as bank balance gets reduced after withdrawal; however, if a person gets aatma siddhi - Enlightenment, then the tapasya power is increased and not decreased!) Thus raakshasic elements from those days (when the Gaayathri was first revealed to the Great Sage Viswaamitraa) to the present period have been doing mantra without curse removal and are restricted in enjoying the full scope of the mantra. Great souls have from that period to the current date have been following those guidelines scrupulously and are getting benefitted by that. In matters of spirituality, till we attain a stage where we ourselves are Enlightened, it is best to follow the guidelines stipulated by the Rishis. They have codified those procedures only for our benefit. There are two samhitas that can explain the correct process of Devi Gayathri worship - one is Viswaamitra Samhitaa, and the other is Vasishta Samhitaa. Viswaamitra samhitaa is more elaborate. You might get those rare books from good Indological Libraries; there is the possibility of printing mistakes, etc. which persons already well-versed in those traditions can easily find out. The books can be just used as guides and reference manuals. But, those who rely only on the books without any traditional experience might stumble and fall prey to the effects of wrong chants (mispronounced chants). Moreover, there is one thing called " oral tradition " in this great country. Most of the spiritual secrets are closely guarded in palm leafs - STILL only to save them from the prying eyes of " knowledge thieves " who will start strutting around with false pride after reading them with half-baked intelligence. Those secrets are given only to suitable recipients. There are cases, when fathers have refused to initiate their own sons in some mantras! because they found them not suitable, but the mantra would pass on to a more capable and worthy student! There is no socialism in mantra shaastraa....all are not equal. It is by one's attitude and real capabilities that one can earn such knowledges...They cannot be bought with money. Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology , Bharat Varma <ffmbvarma wrote: > > just out of curiosity, why would the divine people curse gayatri for. I thought they themselves practised gayatri and were able to spiritually grow to a level where no ordinary man would have reached. I was searching the net for stories related to this curse but found none. So if somebody can enligten on this. > > I used to watch a program on zee and in tht a lady also said the same that she practised some 64000 odd times (i dont remember the number) but she suffered bad luck after the completion of the mantra and this was addressed to some tantrik practisioner. I dont remember exactly what he said but i guess he said she shld have done one more mantra to balance the power of gayatri. > > Bharat > > > > > Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro > vedic astrology > Tuesday, August 7, 2007 6:39:13 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE , OBSERVED AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER > > ll HARE RAM ll > Pandit Dakshinamoorthi ji, > I am completely agreed with you that Gayatri Mantra is needed some protocol before chanting as to remove curses of Brahma,Vashistha, Visvamitra & Shukra and later doing proper visarjana otherwise it can be harmful.It is not the Mahamantra given in " Kulsantaran " Upnishad like " HARE RAM HARE RAM RAM RAM HARE HARE,HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE " that can be chanted by any one and any position.Gayatri Mantra is called the mother of all mantras.Even to add Samputa of Gayatri Mantra makes one Mantra so powerful. > > Regards > Shashie Shekhar > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ .co. in> wrote: > Dear Shri. Manjunath: > > The three curses to Gayathri mantra were given mainly to > prevent " Rakshasaic " elements from getting unbridled power. So, if > you are of a saatwik quality and you have got initiated into the > mantra from someone, kindly keep chanting it. Otherwise, tradition > says that it is better not to chant. I have no individual opinion > regarding this. > > The best recourse for someone who wishes to avail Gayathri Grace is > to chant the Gayathri Sahasranaamam or Gayathri Sthothram (chaalisa > is of recent origin; in my opinion, except Hanumaan Chaalisaa > composed by Goswami Tulsi Das, the other chaalisaas have more of a > devotional value as they are modelled after the Hanumaan chaalisaa > and not too much of mantrik value). > > Otherwise, chanting " Om Shri Gaayathryai veda maatre namah " is the > best way. > > Please read through the earlier post....I have given different > options open before you. > > There are some controversies like " Can a person chant Gayathri > without upanayanam, can women chant, " etc. which I studiously avoid > because my views will be based only on traditions which might not be > compatible with what you see today. > > A policeman uses a baton to control a crowd, but if we do it, it is > considered manslaughter. ..is it not? A licensed person can drive > vehicles while a person without license should not drive even if he > is capable of driving! In the same way, deeksha samskaar or > upanayanam are like license procedures.. ...Saapa Nivaaranam is like > No-objection certificate or " fitness certificate " .....All these are > important... .you cannot say, I found a vehicle and I drove > it....there is not need for license...nothing will happen, etc. > > Even a license person can meet with accidents, in that case insurance > will cover the damages; but what will happen if an unlicensed person > drives vehicles and gets involved in an accident? A similar analogy > applies to mantras. Gayathri is a mahaa mantraa, and a powerful > one. But that does not imply anyone can chant it casually. If that > is so, why did the sages give elaborate procedures for upanayanam? > > By the way, Gayathri is not restricted only to Brahmins.... Even non- > Brahmins can chant Gayathri after upanayanam samskaar and getting > initiation. > > For those who wish to chant Gaayathri mantra without upanayanam there > is a Gayathri beeja mantra (composed only of beejas and no words > except swaahaa). You can get that rare beeja mantra from competent > Gurus and chant it (I doubt if you can get a proper Guru who knows > this). So sticking to the Gayathri sthothram will be best for you. > > Otherwise, go for the tantrik Gayathri > " Om Veda Maatre cha vidmahe Brahma Patnyai cha deemahii > Tanno Gaayathri prachodyaat " > > Anybody can chant this without any restriction and without any fear > of curses or ritual violations. > > May Veda Maata Gaayathri Bless everyone. > > PS: Dear Group: I do not want Mr. Lalith or his admirers here > baiting me further with non-shastraic posts on this matter any > further. I am still posting here keeping aside my personal pain just > for the benefit of the group. What I have said is in consonance with > shaastras and on the explicity query addressed to me. Any person > with decency will avoid jutting in between. I am waiting for mr. > Lalith's ban yet! This is not vengeance... but the command of a vedic > Guru. Dharma shastra allows such actions. I have not hit him or > done anything to him. I seek his banishment from a domain where you > people wish me to be a Guru and guide the group. I am within my > previleges to demand this. Otherwise, it is demeaning to my position > as a Guru, and unless I am a Guru, I am not obliged to share my rare > knowledge here. (Mr. Lalith may think any 100 Rs. book will teach > these things; the truth is ...it is not possible. Many books barring > a few exceptions are poorly researched and they cannot be relied on > intricate dharma shastraic matters). > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology, " Manjunath, T (GE > Healthcare) " wrote: > > > > Dear Shri. Pandit Dakshinamoorthi, > > > > Vanakkam, Please accept my sincere respects. > > As a learner, many of your posts are highly educative & your > > articulation & writing style is greatly admired. > > > > sir, your below mail on gayatri has confused me & therefore am > writing > > to you. i was planning to resume chanting this mantra shortly ( > again > > mainly prompted by the mails in the group) > > > > As a hindu non-brahmin, not acquainted with tradition & initiation > > rituals, what can a average person chant. > > i have even read ( not sure where) that un-initiated persons chant > > gayatri by not chanting OM in the beginning of the mantra > > > > My request & query is to clarify how one can chant Gayatri without > the > > adverse effects. > > > > Kindly write in leisure & help us all as much details time permits > you. > > even suggestions of books to read, place to get initiation > > in bangalore will help, my wife can read tamil, so pls. suggest > > accordingly > > > > i have a different query on murugan yantra which i shall request > > separately > > am a noh brahmin hindu, vegetarian since 1.5 years, non smoker & do > not > > use liquor. > > > > Sincerely, > > with best wishes & pranaams, > > > > Manju > > > > PS : for the group going-on's .. last night i remembered a > statement > > in tamil, am writing a rough translation, its a general statment & > not > > specific to anybody. > > > > " Those who believe you... No explanation is needed. Those who do > not > > believe you, No explanation can suffice " > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > vedic astrology > > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of > dakshinastrologer > > Monday, August 06, 2007 10:25 PM > > vedic astrology > > [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE , > OBSERVED > > AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Chidambaram: > > > > Powerful mantras usually have a Utkeelana mantra or saapa nivaarana > > mantra to get them activated and to remove the curses associated > with > > them. > > > > In fact the Great Gayathri mantra has 3 curses - Brahma saapa, > > Vasishta saapa, and Viswaamitra saapa. This was because anyone > > chanting the Gaayatri mantra can attain great siddhis, and such > power > > in the hands of persons with wrong attitudes can be disastrous to > the > > more pacific living entities including " gods and demi-gods " . Thus, > > anyone chanting the Gaayathri mantra without saapa vimochana mantra > > will actually not experience its full wonders. And those who chant > > it without initiation will actually experience many obstacles and > > dangers! It is stated in Viswamitra Samhita - Gaayathri paddati. > > > > " Saapa yuktaatu Gaayathri Chartur Varga phalaandakaa > > Saapa muktaatu Gaayathri chatur varga phalpradaa " > > > > Means Gaayathri with Saapa (i.e without removal of curse) will > cause > > destruction of 4 fold attainments of life (Dharma - Righteous > living, > > Artha - righteous earning of money, Kaama - righteous enjoyment of > > luxuries and pleasures, mokshaa - ultimate liberation), whereas > > Gaayathri relieved of the curses will cause gain of the 4 fold > > attainments. > > > > This injunction does not apply to those who do Gaayathri after > > upanayanam where the relevant mantras of activation are anyhow > > chanted. Even for these persons, the higher siddhis of the Gayathri > > mantra are locked if they chant the Gayathri without saapa > nivaarana > > mantra. > > > > Again, when mantraas are chanted, we should offer respects to the > > Rishis (mantra drushtaas - seers of the mantra who first identified > > the mantra with their yogic vision); during the deeksha, naandi > homam > > is to be done to honour one's ancestors - When a person is about to > > set foot in the path of spirituality, all his ancestors are happy > and > > will congregate in that place of deeksha earnestly. So, they should > > be honoured auspiciously and their blessings should be sought. Then > > one should make " Japa prathignyaa " means declaration that this is > the > > purpose of the deekshaa and I will definitely be regular in my > > chantings and will use my power only for good purposes. Slipping in > > this promise after getting siddhis has been the nemesis of many > > mantra shaastra experts. > > > > Usually one should select one particular Deity (whatever it is) > > either according to one's family customs or using astrological > > methods to check Ishta/ phalana devataas, or by using one's own > > intuition and natural predisposition to pray to a particular Deity. > > The upaasanaa of that deity should be done after getting proper > > deekshaa which will ensure speedy perfection. > > > > For an accomplished practitioner, it will be hardly a matter of > half > > an hour of preliminary mantrik routines, and then they can > > concentrate on mantra japam as per their time availability and > > convenience. During emergencies these procedures can be shortened. > > > > But,it is better to have a utkeelanam or saapa nivaaranam or > kavacha > > upadesham (most advanced mantras require kavacha recital before > > chanting of moola mantraas) initiated at least once before one > > proceeds with endless repetitions of mantras. If it could not be > > done in the initial stages, at least when one reaches significant > > land marks like 1 lakh japams, 24 lakh japams, or 1 crore japam > > counts, they may have these special elements initiated which will > > immediately unlock the stored potential of all the japams give > > intense mystic experiences. Detailed procedures like yoginii > > nyaasam, aksharaa nyaasam (meditating on different aksharaas in > > different parts of the body as per traditions), etc. are also done > > during deeksha which helps the body to resonate well with the > mantra > > being chanted.Advanced spiritual Gurus are capable of giving such > an > > experience by direct transfer of their power to the sishyaa. In > such > > a case, utkeelanam, kavacham, saapa nivaaranam, etc. are not > > necessary at all! > > > > For most common mantras, the use of anga nyaasam, kara nyaasam, and > > dig bandanam is enough; these procedures will be automatically > given > > in most standard works. > > > > Blessed be. > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > vedic astrology > > , nagarajan chidambaram > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > > > Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience. > > > > > > I have been very closely following your posts and replies in this > > group for the past one year and have had the getting a deeper > > understanding on the subjects discussed. > > > > > > I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the right > > way to chant a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have been > > locked by the creators just like a software being locked in a way > > that it can be used only by the user knowing the key. That is to > say > > that every mantra has a key and unless the person chanting the > mantra > > uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am told that even > > the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only with > > the use of the appropriate key. > > > > > > How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of your > > stature. > > > > > > I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of the > > right usage of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and > help > > humanity regain the lost science of using the vibrational science > for > > the benefit of mankind. > > > > > > Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my > humble > > and earnest prayer enlighten me. > > > > > > Your humble admirer, > > > > > > Nagaajan.C > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. 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Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Thank you pandit ji for the info. I was doing the saptashati for the past 2 yrs everyday and i always used to think tht something was missing in it. Now when i have read each page closely, in the beginning itself the publications has given the vishwamitra shapavimochana. (I hope this is the same for gayatri mantra too). I never read these few pages and used to skip them. From today i strted reading the vimochana too. May mother durga bless the initiator of this topic who has made me realize the mistake i was doing for two yrs. Bharat dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer vedic astrology Tuesday, August 7, 2007 10:42:37 PM [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE , OBSERVED AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER Dear Shri. Bharat: If you read my earlier post on this, it will be clear....the curses were so that " rakshasaic elements " do not get the full potential of the chanting. Rakshasaas do not necessarily mean eery monsters with long fangs and big body! Anyone who harasses others unnecessarily is a raakshasaa! Anyone who trashes shaastraas and claims his philosophy is superior is a raakshasaa! Anyone who is uncomfortable in the presence of dharmic persons and tries to harass them is a raakshasaa! Anyone who " steals " knowledge (pilfering information from internet without acknowledging the source, not respecting a Guru but exploiting the knowledge from his posts) is a raakshasaa.. .Anybody who keeps on criticizing others without any noble reason but out of jealousy and personal enmity baselessly spoiling the serene atmosphere of a place by dragging people on and on into controversies even after they stop arguing, etc. is a raakshasaa.. ... Raakshasaic elements believe in mantrik power and occult, but they do not believe in innate goodness of man and the Grace of God. So, they will chant mantras at any time and everytime without caring whether such chants will be good for the world.(astrological ly certain days are tabooed for vedic recitals, like ashtami, Navami, etc. These days are used for other poojas and learning vedic portions are stopped on those days because it is inauspicious not merely to the chanter but to the whole world in subtle ways; I have observed that this is not being followed now-a-days). Tapasya never goes in vain. Even greatest sinners can attain siddhis..... .Please note, presence of siddhi in a person is not an evidence of their nobility.... Raakshasaas had inborn siddhis! You will find that in nature, those who do mistakes are more persistent than those with noble habits. Those who support a noble cause will just say one or two words and move away with pain that they are not able to help matters. But rakshasic elements will never leave a matter. It is their strength and weakness. Coming to Gayathri saadhanaa, if raakshasaas chant the mantra which is the BEST of all mantraas, and get siddhi in that, they will never be vanquished. The sages who insisted on " Vaasudaiva Kudumbakam " also knew that certain disruptive elements should be cut off from that circle. So, they thought that raakshasic elements should not get the full benefit of the mantra which might be dangerous to others. Hence those 3 Great Souls gave curses to the Holy Gaayathri mantra. The weakness of the raakshasaas is that they can keep on doing things persistently, but if you insist on procedures and proper way, they cannot do that, because their arrogance will prevent them from following set disciplines. .....So, naturally when these curses were placed on Gaayathri mantra, the potency of the mantra was saved from bad elements who will happily chant without curse removal and will trash all such suggestions, and thus be denied the full benefit of the recital so that the effect of the Gaayathri which is supposed to grant all desires including final emancipation of the soul will be curtailed in those cases and will stop with giving mundane benefits which are changeable (Once a person attain mundane benefits out of japa power, the japa siddhi gets reduced just as bank balance gets reduced after withdrawal; however, if a person gets aatma siddhi - Enlightenment, then the tapasya power is increased and not decreased!) Thus raakshasic elements from those days (when the Gaayathri was first revealed to the Great Sage Viswaamitraa) to the present period have been doing mantra without curse removal and are restricted in enjoying the full scope of the mantra. Great souls have from that period to the current date have been following those guidelines scrupulously and are getting benefitted by that. In matters of spirituality, till we attain a stage where we ourselves are Enlightened, it is best to follow the guidelines stipulated by the Rishis. They have codified those procedures only for our benefit. There are two samhitas that can explain the correct process of Devi Gayathri worship - one is Viswaamitra Samhitaa, and the other is Vasishta Samhitaa. Viswaamitra samhitaa is more elaborate. You might get those rare books from good Indological Libraries; there is the possibility of printing mistakes, etc. which persons already well-versed in those traditions can easily find out. The books can be just used as guides and reference manuals. But, those who rely only on the books without any traditional experience might stumble and fall prey to the effects of wrong chants (mispronounced chants). Moreover, there is one thing called " oral tradition " in this great country. Most of the spiritual secrets are closely guarded in palm leafs - STILL only to save them from the prying eyes of " knowledge thieves " who will start strutting around with false pride after reading them with half-baked intelligence. Those secrets are given only to suitable recipients. There are cases, when fathers have refused to initiate their own sons in some mantras! because they found them not suitable, but the mantra would pass on to a more capable and worthy student! There is no socialism in mantra shaastraa... .all are not equal. It is by one's attitude and real capabilities that one can earn such knowledges.. .They cannot be bought with money. Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology, Bharat Varma <ffmbvarma@. ..> wrote: > > just out of curiosity, why would the divine people curse gayatri for. I thought they themselves practised gayatri and were able to spiritually grow to a level where no ordinary man would have reached. I was searching the net for stories related to this curse but found none. So if somebody can enligten on this. > > I used to watch a program on zee and in tht a lady also said the same that she practised some 64000 odd times (i dont remember the number) but she suffered bad luck after the completion of the mantra and this was addressed to some tantrik practisioner. I dont remember exactly what he said but i guess he said she shld have done one more mantra to balance the power of gayatri. > > Bharat > > > > > Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro@ ...> > vedic astrology > Tuesday, August 7, 2007 6:39:13 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE , OBSERVED AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER > > ll HARE RAM ll > Pandit Dakshinamoorthi ji, > I am completely agreed with you that Gayatri Mantra is needed some protocol before chanting as to remove curses of Brahma,Vashistha, Visvamitra & Shukra and later doing proper visarjana otherwise it can be harmful.It is not the Mahamantra given in " Kulsantaran " Upnishad like " HARE RAM HARE RAM RAM RAM HARE HARE,HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE " that can be chanted by any one and any position.Gayatri Mantra is called the mother of all mantras.Even to add Samputa of Gayatri Mantra makes one Mantra so powerful. > > Regards > Shashie Shekhar > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ .co. in> wrote: > Dear Shri. Manjunath: > > The three curses to Gayathri mantra were given mainly to > prevent " Rakshasaic " elements from getting unbridled power. So, if > you are of a saatwik quality and you have got initiated into the > mantra from someone, kindly keep chanting it. Otherwise, tradition > says that it is better not to chant. I have no individual opinion > regarding this. > > The best recourse for someone who wishes to avail Gayathri Grace is > to chant the Gayathri Sahasranaamam or Gayathri Sthothram (chaalisa > is of recent origin; in my opinion, except Hanumaan Chaalisaa > composed by Goswami Tulsi Das, the other chaalisaas have more of a > devotional value as they are modelled after the Hanumaan chaalisaa > and not too much of mantrik value). > > Otherwise, chanting " Om Shri Gaayathryai veda maatre namah " is the > best way. > > Please read through the earlier post....I have given different > options open before you. > > There are some controversies like " Can a person chant Gayathri > without upanayanam, can women chant, " etc. which I studiously avoid > because my views will be based only on traditions which might not be > compatible with what you see today. > > A policeman uses a baton to control a crowd, but if we do it, it is > considered manslaughter. ..is it not? A licensed person can drive > vehicles while a person without license should not drive even if he > is capable of driving! In the same way, deeksha samskaar or > upanayanam are like license procedures.. ...Saapa Nivaaranam is like > No-objection certificate or " fitness certificate " .....All these are > important... .you cannot say, I found a vehicle and I drove > it....there is not need for license...nothing will happen, etc. > > Even a license person can meet with accidents, in that case insurance > will cover the damages; but what will happen if an unlicensed person > drives vehicles and gets involved in an accident? A similar analogy > applies to mantras. Gayathri is a mahaa mantraa, and a powerful > one. But that does not imply anyone can chant it casually. If that > is so, why did the sages give elaborate procedures for upanayanam? > > By the way, Gayathri is not restricted only to Brahmins.... Even non- > Brahmins can chant Gayathri after upanayanam samskaar and getting > initiation. > > For those who wish to chant Gaayathri mantra without upanayanam there > is a Gayathri beeja mantra (composed only of beejas and no words > except swaahaa). You can get that rare beeja mantra from competent > Gurus and chant it (I doubt if you can get a proper Guru who knows > this). So sticking to the Gayathri sthothram will be best for you. > > Otherwise, go for the tantrik Gayathri > " Om Veda Maatre cha vidmahe Brahma Patnyai cha deemahii > Tanno Gaayathri prachodyaat " > > Anybody can chant this without any restriction and without any fear > of curses or ritual violations. > > May Veda Maata Gaayathri Bless everyone. > > PS: Dear Group: I do not want Mr. Lalith or his admirers here > baiting me further with non-shastraic posts on this matter any > further. I am still posting here keeping aside my personal pain just > for the benefit of the group. What I have said is in consonance with > shaastras and on the explicity query addressed to me. Any person > with decency will avoid jutting in between. I am waiting for mr. > Lalith's ban yet! This is not vengeance... but the command of a vedic > Guru. Dharma shastra allows such actions. I have not hit him or > done anything to him. I seek his banishment from a domain where you > people wish me to be a Guru and guide the group. I am within my > previleges to demand this. Otherwise, it is demeaning to my position > as a Guru, and unless I am a Guru, I am not obliged to share my rare > knowledge here. (Mr. Lalith may think any 100 Rs. book will teach > these things; the truth is ...it is not possible. Many books barring > a few exceptions are poorly researched and they cannot be relied on > intricate dharma shastraic matters). > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology, " Manjunath, T (GE > Healthcare) " wrote: > > > > Dear Shri. Pandit Dakshinamoorthi, > > > > Vanakkam, Please accept my sincere respects. > > As a learner, many of your posts are highly educative & your > > articulation & writing style is greatly admired. > > > > sir, your below mail on gayatri has confused me & therefore am > writing > > to you. i was planning to resume chanting this mantra shortly ( > again > > mainly prompted by the mails in the group) > > > > As a hindu non-brahmin, not acquainted with tradition & initiation > > rituals, what can a average person chant. > > i have even read ( not sure where) that un-initiated persons chant > > gayatri by not chanting OM in the beginning of the mantra > > > > My request & query is to clarify how one can chant Gayatri without > the > > adverse effects. > > > > Kindly write in leisure & help us all as much details time permits > you. > > even suggestions of books to read, place to get initiation > > in bangalore will help, my wife can read tamil, so pls. suggest > > accordingly > > > > i have a different query on murugan yantra which i shall request > > separately > > am a noh brahmin hindu, vegetarian since 1.5 years, non smoker & do > not > > use liquor. > > > > Sincerely, > > with best wishes & pranaams, > > > > Manju > > > > PS : for the group going-on's .. last night i remembered a > statement > > in tamil, am writing a rough translation, its a general statment & > not > > specific to anybody. > > > > " Those who believe you... No explanation is needed. Those who do > not > > believe you, No explanation can suffice " > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > vedic astrology > > [vedic- astrology] On Behalf Of > dakshinastrologer > > Monday, August 06, 2007 10:25 PM > > vedic astrology > > [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE , > OBSERVED > > AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Chidambaram: > > > > Powerful mantras usually have a Utkeelana mantra or saapa nivaarana > > mantra to get them activated and to remove the curses associated > with > > them. > > > > In fact the Great Gayathri mantra has 3 curses - Brahma saapa, > > Vasishta saapa, and Viswaamitra saapa. This was because anyone > > chanting the Gaayatri mantra can attain great siddhis, and such > power > > in the hands of persons with wrong attitudes can be disastrous to > the > > more pacific living entities including " gods and demi-gods " . Thus, > > anyone chanting the Gaayathri mantra without saapa vimochana mantra > > will actually not experience its full wonders. And those who chant > > it without initiation will actually experience many obstacles and > > dangers! It is stated in Viswamitra Samhita - Gaayathri paddati. > > > > " Saapa yuktaatu Gaayathri Chartur Varga phalaandakaa > > Saapa muktaatu Gaayathri chatur varga phalpradaa " > > > > Means Gaayathri with Saapa (i.e without removal of curse) will > cause > > destruction of 4 fold attainments of life (Dharma - Righteous > living, > > Artha - righteous earning of money, Kaama - righteous enjoyment of > > luxuries and pleasures, mokshaa - ultimate liberation), whereas > > Gaayathri relieved of the curses will cause gain of the 4 fold > > attainments. > > > > This injunction does not apply to those who do Gaayathri after > > upanayanam where the relevant mantras of activation are anyhow > > chanted. Even for these persons, the higher siddhis of the Gayathri > > mantra are locked if they chant the Gayathri without saapa > nivaarana > > mantra. > > > > Again, when mantraas are chanted, we should offer respects to the > > Rishis (mantra drushtaas - seers of the mantra who first identified > > the mantra with their yogic vision); during the deeksha, naandi > homam > > is to be done to honour one's ancestors - When a person is about to > > set foot in the path of spirituality, all his ancestors are happy > and > > will congregate in that place of deeksha earnestly. So, they should > > be honoured auspiciously and their blessings should be sought. Then > > one should make " Japa prathignyaa " means declaration that this is > the > > purpose of the deekshaa and I will definitely be regular in my > > chantings and will use my power only for good purposes. Slipping in > > this promise after getting siddhis has been the nemesis of many > > mantra shaastra experts. > > > > Usually one should select one particular Deity (whatever it is) > > either according to one's family customs or using astrological > > methods to check Ishta/ phalana devataas, or by using one's own > > intuition and natural predisposition to pray to a particular Deity. > > The upaasanaa of that deity should be done after getting proper > > deekshaa which will ensure speedy perfection. > > > > For an accomplished practitioner, it will be hardly a matter of > half > > an hour of preliminary mantrik routines, and then they can > > concentrate on mantra japam as per their time availability and > > convenience. During emergencies these procedures can be shortened. > > > > But,it is better to have a utkeelanam or saapa nivaaranam or > kavacha > > upadesham (most advanced mantras require kavacha recital before > > chanting of moola mantraas) initiated at least once before one > > proceeds with endless repetitions of mantras. If it could not be > > done in the initial stages, at least when one reaches significant > > land marks like 1 lakh japams, 24 lakh japams, or 1 crore japam > > counts, they may have these special elements initiated which will > > immediately unlock the stored potential of all the japams give > > intense mystic experiences. Detailed procedures like yoginii > > nyaasam, aksharaa nyaasam (meditating on different aksharaas in > > different parts of the body as per traditions), etc. are also done > > during deeksha which helps the body to resonate well with the > mantra > > being chanted.Advanced spiritual Gurus are capable of giving such > an > > experience by direct transfer of their power to the sishyaa. In > such > > a case, utkeelanam, kavacham, saapa nivaaranam, etc. are not > > necessary at all! > > > > For most common mantras, the use of anga nyaasam, kara nyaasam, and > > dig bandanam is enough; these procedures will be automatically > given > > in most standard works. > > > > Blessed be. > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > vedic astrology > > , nagarajan chidambaram > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > > > Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience. > > > > > > I have been very closely following your posts and replies in this > > group for the past one year and have had the getting a deeper > > understanding on the subjects discussed. > > > > > > I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the right > > way to chant a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have been > > locked by the creators just like a software being locked in a way > > that it can be used only by the user knowing the key. That is to > say > > that every mantra has a key and unless the person chanting the > mantra > > uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am told that even > > the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only with > > the use of the appropriate key. > > > > > > How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of your > > stature. > > > > > > I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of the > > right usage of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and > help > > humanity regain the lost science of using the vibrational science > for > > the benefit of mankind. > > > > > > Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my > humble > > and earnest prayer enlighten me. > > > > > > Your humble admirer, > > > > > > Nagaajan.C > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. 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Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Dear Shri. Bharat: I have replied to your personal email id. Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.vedic astrology , Bharat Varma <ffmbvarma wrote: > > > Thank you pandit ji for the info. I was doing the saptashati for the past 2 yrs everyday and i always used to think tht something was missing in it. Now when i have read each page closely, in the beginning itself the publications has given the vishwamitra shapavimochana. (I hope this is the same for gayatri mantra too). I never read these few pages and used to skip them. From today i strted reading the vimochana too. May mother durga bless the initiator of this topic who has made me realize the mistake i was doing for two yrs. > > > Bharat > > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer > vedic astrology > Tuesday, August 7, 2007 10:42:37 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE , OBSERVED AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Bharat: > > > > If you read my earlier post on this, it will be clear....the curses > > were so that " rakshasaic elements " do not get the full potential of > > the chanting. Rakshasaas do not necessarily mean eery monsters with > > long fangs and big body! Anyone who harasses others unnecessarily is > > a raakshasaa! Anyone who trashes shaastraas and claims his philosophy > > is superior is a raakshasaa! Anyone who is uncomfortable in the > > presence of dharmic persons and tries to harass them is a raakshasaa! > > Anyone who " steals " knowledge (pilfering information from internet > > without acknowledging the source, not respecting a Guru but > > exploiting the knowledge from his posts) is a raakshasaa.. .Anybody > > who keeps on criticizing others without any noble reason but out of > > jealousy and personal enmity baselessly spoiling the serene > > atmosphere of a place by dragging people on and on into controversies > > even after they stop arguing, etc. is a raakshasaa.. ... > > > > Raakshasaic elements believe in mantrik power and occult, but they do > > not believe in innate goodness of man and the Grace of God. So, they > > will chant mantras at any time and everytime without caring whether > > such chants will be good for the world.(astrological ly certain days > > are tabooed for vedic recitals, like ashtami, Navami, etc. These > > days are used for other poojas and learning vedic portions are > > stopped on those days because it is inauspicious not merely to the > > chanter but to the whole world in subtle ways; I have observed that > > this is not being followed now-a-days). Tapasya never goes in vain. > > Even greatest sinners can attain siddhis..... .Please note, presence > > of siddhi in a person is not an evidence of their > > nobility.... Raakshasaas had inborn siddhis! You will find that in > > nature, those who do mistakes are more persistent than those with > > noble habits. > > > > Those who support a noble cause will just say one or two words and > > move away with pain that they are not able to help matters. But > > rakshasic elements will never leave a matter. It is their strength > > and weakness. > > > > Coming to Gayathri saadhanaa, if raakshasaas chant the mantra which > > is the BEST of all mantraas, and get siddhi in that, they will never > > be vanquished. The sages who insisted on " Vaasudaiva Kudumbakam " > > also knew that certain disruptive elements should be cut off from > > that circle. So, they thought that raakshasic elements should not > > get the full benefit of the mantra which might be dangerous to > > others. Hence those 3 Great Souls gave curses to the Holy Gaayathri > > mantra. The weakness of the raakshasaas is that they can keep on > > doing things persistently, but if you insist on procedures and proper > > way, they cannot do that, because their arrogance will prevent them > > from following set disciplines. .....So, naturally when these curses > > were placed on Gaayathri mantra, the potency of the mantra was saved > > from bad elements who will happily chant without curse removal and > > will trash all such suggestions, and thus be denied the full benefit > > of the recital so that the effect of the Gaayathri which is supposed > > to grant all desires including final emancipation of the soul will be > > curtailed in those cases and will stop with giving mundane benefits > > which are changeable (Once a person attain mundane benefits out of > > japa power, the japa siddhi gets reduced just as bank balance gets > > reduced after withdrawal; however, if a person gets aatma siddhi - > > Enlightenment, then the tapasya power is increased and not > > decreased!) Thus raakshasic elements from those days (when the > > Gaayathri was first revealed to the Great Sage Viswaamitraa) to the > > present period have been doing mantra without curse removal and are > > restricted in enjoying the full scope of the mantra. Great souls > > have from that period to the current date have been following those > > guidelines scrupulously and are getting benefitted by that. > > > > In matters of spirituality, till we attain a stage where we ourselves > > are Enlightened, it is best to follow the guidelines stipulated by > > the Rishis. They have codified those procedures only for our benefit. > > There are two samhitas that can explain the correct process of Devi > > Gayathri worship - one is Viswaamitra Samhitaa, and the other is > > Vasishta Samhitaa. Viswaamitra samhitaa is more elaborate. > > > > You might get those rare books from good Indological Libraries; there > > is the possibility of printing mistakes, etc. which persons already > > well-versed in those traditions can easily find out. The books can > > be just used as guides and reference manuals. But, those who rely > > only on the books without any traditional experience might stumble > > and fall prey to the effects of wrong chants (mispronounced chants). > > Moreover, there is one thing called " oral tradition " in this great > > country. Most of the spiritual secrets are closely guarded in palm > > leafs - STILL only to save them from the prying eyes of " knowledge > > thieves " who will start strutting around with false pride after > > reading them with half-baked intelligence. Those secrets are given > > only to suitable recipients. There are cases, when fathers have > > refused to initiate their own sons in some mantras! because they > > found them not suitable, but the mantra would pass on to a more > > capable and worthy student! There is no socialism in mantra > > shaastraa... .all are not equal. It is by one's attitude and real > > capabilities that one can earn such knowledges.. .They cannot be > > bought with money. > > > > Blessed be. > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > vedic astrology, Bharat Varma <ffmbvarma@ ..> > > wrote: > > > > > > just out of curiosity, why would the divine people curse gayatri > > for. I thought they themselves practised gayatri and were able to > > spiritually grow to a level where no ordinary man would have reached. > > I was searching the net for stories related to this curse but found > > none. So if somebody can enligten on this. > > > > > > I used to watch a program on zee and in tht a lady also said the > > same that she practised some 64000 odd times (i dont remember the > > number) but she suffered bad luck after the completion of the mantra > > and this was addressed to some tantrik practisioner. I dont remember > > exactly what he said but i guess he said she shld have done one more > > mantra to balance the power of gayatri. > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro@ ...> > > > vedic astrology > > > Tuesday, August 7, 2007 6:39:13 PM > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE , > > OBSERVED AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll > > > Pandit Dakshinamoorthi ji, > > > I am completely agreed with you that Gayatri Mantra is needed some > > protocol before chanting as to remove curses of Brahma,Vashistha, > > Visvamitra & Shukra and later doing proper visarjana otherwise it can > > be harmful.It is not the Mahamantra given in " Kulsantaran " Upnishad > > like " HARE RAM HARE RAM RAM RAM HARE HARE,HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA > > KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE " that can be chanted by any one and any > > position.Gayatri Mantra is called the mother of all mantras.Even to > > add Samputa of Gayatri Mantra makes one Mantra so powerful. > > > > > > Regards > > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > > > > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ .co. in> wrote: > > > Dear Shri. Manjunath: > > > > > > The three curses to Gayathri mantra were given mainly to > > > prevent " Rakshasaic " elements from getting unbridled power. So, if > > > you are of a saatwik quality and you have got initiated into the > > > mantra from someone, kindly keep chanting it. Otherwise, tradition > > > says that it is better not to chant. I have no individual opinion > > > regarding this. > > > > > > The best recourse for someone who wishes to avail Gayathri Grace is > > > to chant the Gayathri Sahasranaamam or Gayathri Sthothram (chaalisa > > > is of recent origin; in my opinion, except Hanumaan Chaalisaa > > > composed by Goswami Tulsi Das, the other chaalisaas have more of a > > > devotional value as they are modelled after the Hanumaan chaalisaa > > > and not too much of mantrik value). > > > > > > Otherwise, chanting " Om Shri Gaayathryai veda maatre namah " is the > > > best way. > > > > > > Please read through the earlier post....I have given different > > > options open before you. > > > > > > There are some controversies like " Can a person chant Gayathri > > > without upanayanam, can women chant, " etc. which I studiously avoid > > > because my views will be based only on traditions which might not > > be > > > compatible with what you see today. > > > > > > A policeman uses a baton to control a crowd, but if we do it, it is > > > considered manslaughter. ..is it not? A licensed person can drive > > > vehicles while a person without license should not drive even if he > > > is capable of driving! In the same way, deeksha samskaar or > > > upanayanam are like license procedures.. ...Saapa Nivaaranam is > > like > > > No-objection certificate or " fitness certificate " .....All these > > are > > > important... .you cannot say, I found a vehicle and I drove > > > it....there is not need for license...nothing will happen, etc. > > > > > > Even a license person can meet with accidents, in that case > > insurance > > > will cover the damages; but what will happen if an unlicensed > > person > > > drives vehicles and gets involved in an accident? A similar analogy > > > applies to mantras. Gayathri is a mahaa mantraa, and a powerful > > > one. But that does not imply anyone can chant it casually. If that > > > is so, why did the sages give elaborate procedures for upanayanam? > > > > > > By the way, Gayathri is not restricted only to Brahmins.... Even > > non- > > > Brahmins can chant Gayathri after upanayanam samskaar and getting > > > initiation. > > > > > > For those who wish to chant Gaayathri mantra without upanayanam > > there > > > is a Gayathri beeja mantra (composed only of beejas and no words > > > except swaahaa). You can get that rare beeja mantra from competent > > > Gurus and chant it (I doubt if you can get a proper Guru who knows > > > this). So sticking to the Gayathri sthothram will be best for you. > > > > > > Otherwise, go for the tantrik Gayathri > > > " Om Veda Maatre cha vidmahe Brahma Patnyai cha deemahii > > > Tanno Gaayathri prachodyaat " > > > > > > Anybody can chant this without any restriction and without any fear > > > of curses or ritual violations. > > > > > > May Veda Maata Gaayathri Bless everyone. > > > > > > PS: Dear Group: I do not want Mr. Lalith or his admirers here > > > baiting me further with non-shastraic posts on this matter any > > > further. I am still posting here keeping aside my personal pain > > just > > > for the benefit of the group. What I have said is in consonance > > with > > > shaastras and on the explicity query addressed to me. Any person > > > with decency will avoid jutting in between. I am waiting for mr. > > > Lalith's ban yet! This is not vengeance... but the command of a > > vedic > > > Guru. Dharma shastra allows such actions. I have not hit him or > > > done anything to him. I seek his banishment from a domain where you > > > people wish me to be a Guru and guide the group. I am within my > > > previleges to demand this. Otherwise, it is demeaning to my > > position > > > as a Guru, and unless I am a Guru, I am not obliged to share my > > rare > > > knowledge here. (Mr. Lalith may think any 100 Rs. book will teach > > > these things; the truth is ...it is not possible. Many books > > barring > > > a few exceptions are poorly researched and they cannot be relied on > > > intricate dharma shastraic matters). > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > vedic astrology, " Manjunath, T (GE > > > Healthcare) " wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Pandit Dakshinamoorthi, > > > > > > > > Vanakkam, Please accept my sincere respects. > > > > As a learner, many of your posts are highly educative & your > > > > articulation & writing style is greatly admired. > > > > > > > > sir, your below mail on gayatri has confused me & therefore am > > > writing > > > > to you. i was planning to resume chanting this mantra shortly ( > > > again > > > > mainly prompted by the mails in the group) > > > > > > > > As a hindu non-brahmin, not acquainted with tradition & initiation > > > > rituals, what can a average person chant. > > > > i have even read ( not sure where) that un-initiated persons chant > > > > gayatri by not chanting OM in the beginning of the mantra > > > > > > > > My request & query is to clarify how one can chant Gayatri > > without > > > the > > > > adverse effects. > > > > > > > > Kindly write in leisure & help us all as much details time > > permits > > > you. > > > > even suggestions of books to read, place to get initiation > > > > in bangalore will help, my wife can read tamil, so pls. suggest > > > > accordingly > > > > > > > > i have a different query on murugan yantra which i shall request > > > > separately > > > > am a noh brahmin hindu, vegetarian since 1.5 years, non smoker & > > do > > > not > > > > use liquor. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > with best wishes & pranaams, > > > > > > > > Manju > > > > > > > > PS : for the group going-on's .. last night i remembered a > > > statement > > > > in tamil, am writing a rough translation, its a general statment > > & > > > not > > > > specific to anybody. > > > > > > > > " Those who believe you... No explanation is needed. Those who do > > > not > > > > believe you, No explanation can suffice " > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > [vedic- astrology] On Behalf Of > > > dakshinastrologer > > > > Monday, August 06, 2007 10:25 PM > > > > vedic astrology > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE , > > > OBSERVED > > > > AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Chidambaram: > > > > > > > > Powerful mantras usually have a Utkeelana mantra or saapa > > nivaarana > > > > mantra to get them activated and to remove the curses associated > > > with > > > > them. > > > > > > > > In fact the Great Gayathri mantra has 3 curses - Brahma saapa, > > > > Vasishta saapa, and Viswaamitra saapa. This was because anyone > > > > chanting the Gaayatri mantra can attain great siddhis, and such > > > power > > > > in the hands of persons with wrong attitudes can be disastrous to > > > the > > > > more pacific living entities including " gods and demi-gods " . > > Thus, > > > > anyone chanting the Gaayathri mantra without saapa vimochana > > mantra > > > > will actually not experience its full wonders. And those who > > chant > > > > it without initiation will actually experience many obstacles and > > > > dangers! It is stated in Viswamitra Samhita - Gaayathri paddati. > > > > > > > > " Saapa yuktaatu Gaayathri Chartur Varga phalaandakaa > > > > Saapa muktaatu Gaayathri chatur varga phalpradaa " > > > > > > > > Means Gaayathri with Saapa (i.e without removal of curse) will > > > cause > > > > destruction of 4 fold attainments of life (Dharma - Righteous > > > living, > > > > Artha - righteous earning of money, Kaama - righteous enjoyment > > of > > > > luxuries and pleasures, mokshaa - ultimate liberation), whereas > > > > Gaayathri relieved of the curses will cause gain of the 4 fold > > > > attainments. > > > > > > > > This injunction does not apply to those who do Gaayathri after > > > > upanayanam where the relevant mantras of activation are anyhow > > > > chanted. Even for these persons, the higher siddhis of the > > Gayathri > > > > mantra are locked if they chant the Gayathri without saapa > > > nivaarana > > > > mantra. > > > > > > > > Again, when mantraas are chanted, we should offer respects to the > > > > Rishis (mantra drushtaas - seers of the mantra who first > > identified > > > > the mantra with their yogic vision); during the deeksha, naandi > > > homam > > > > is to be done to honour one's ancestors - When a person is about > > to > > > > set foot in the path of spirituality, all his ancestors are happy > > > and > > > > will congregate in that place of deeksha earnestly. So, they > > should > > > > be honoured auspiciously and their blessings should be sought. > > Then > > > > one should make " Japa prathignyaa " means declaration that this is > > > the > > > > purpose of the deekshaa and I will definitely be regular in my > > > > chantings and will use my power only for good purposes. Slipping > > in > > > > this promise after getting siddhis has been the nemesis of many > > > > mantra shaastra experts. > > > > > > > > Usually one should select one particular Deity (whatever it is) > > > > either according to one's family customs or using astrological > > > > methods to check Ishta/ phalana devataas, or by using one's own > > > > intuition and natural predisposition to pray to a particular > > Deity. > > > > The upaasanaa of that deity should be done after getting proper > > > > deekshaa which will ensure speedy perfection. > > > > > > > > For an accomplished practitioner, it will be hardly a matter of > > > half > > > > an hour of preliminary mantrik routines, and then they can > > > > concentrate on mantra japam as per their time availability and > > > > convenience. During emergencies these procedures can be shortened. > > > > > > > > But,it is better to have a utkeelanam or saapa nivaaranam or > > > kavacha > > > > upadesham (most advanced mantras require kavacha recital before > > > > chanting of moola mantraas) initiated at least once before one > > > > proceeds with endless repetitions of mantras. If it could not be > > > > done in the initial stages, at least when one reaches significant > > > > land marks like 1 lakh japams, 24 lakh japams, or 1 crore japam > > > > counts, they may have these special elements initiated which will > > > > immediately unlock the stored potential of all the japams give > > > > intense mystic experiences. Detailed procedures like yoginii > > > > nyaasam, aksharaa nyaasam (meditating on different aksharaas in > > > > different parts of the body as per traditions), etc. are also > > done > > > > during deeksha which helps the body to resonate well with the > > > mantra > > > > being chanted.Advanced spiritual Gurus are capable of giving such > > > an > > > > experience by direct transfer of their power to the sishyaa. In > > > such > > > > a case, utkeelanam, kavacham, saapa nivaaranam, etc. are not > > > > necessary at all! > > > > > > > > For most common mantras, the use of anga nyaasam, kara nyaasam, > > and > > > > dig bandanam is enough; these procedures will be automatically > > > given > > > > in most standard works. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > , nagarajan chidambaram > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > > > > > > > Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience. > > > > > > > > > > I have been very closely following your posts and replies in > > this > > > > group for the past one year and have had the getting a deeper > > > > understanding on the subjects discussed. > > > > > > > > > > I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the > > right > > > > way to chant a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have > > been > > > > locked by the creators just like a software being locked in a way > > > > that it can be used only by the user knowing the key. That is to > > > say > > > > that every mantra has a key and unless the person chanting the > > > mantra > > > > uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am told that > > even > > > > the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only > > with > > > > the use of the appropriate key. > > > > > > > > > > How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of > > your > > > > stature. > > > > > > > > > > I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of > > the > > > > right usage of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and > > > help > > > > humanity regain the lost science of using the vibrational science > > > for > > > > the benefit of mankind. > > > > > > > > > > Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my > > > humble > > > > and earnest prayer enlighten me. > > > > > > > > > > Your humble admirer, > > > > > > > > > > Nagaajan.C > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click > > > > here > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Mr Lalit, How many times in a year do you visit your parents? litsol <mishra.lalit vedic astrology Tuesday, August 7, 2007 5:44:58 PM [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE , OBSERVED AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER Dear Bharat, There is a myth that the gayatri mantra is cursed, try to take it other way round, we people are curse by way of our attitude, behavior etc.. In fact, to realize the power of God within one should have quality of Vasistha, Vishwamitra and other sages.. A vasistha shapvimochana is in fact, a process to recognise the quality of vasistha and live upto this, means u will be a good learner, u will look at all the way u look at urself. a kind of equality in vision. A vishwamitra shapvimochana is in fact, a process to recognise the quality of vishwamitra and live upto this, means, u will leave ur bad instinct and laziness etc. u will be inovative, u will be skilled. you will not overlook the truth for any cause, a kind of activism. A brahma shapvimochana is in fact, a process to recognise the quality of brahma and live upto this, means u will be a source to new ideas, u will contribute to discover more. Sages saw the shortcomings in a man who wants to chant gayatri and catagorise shortcomings this way they used the term " Shapa " and then made a vimochana for the shapa. This is what i understood from my gayatri chanting, i have chanted gayatri for more than 20 years. The mantra and shloka which is there in shapa vimochanaa gives this sort of feelings to me which i shared with you. and let me tell you one more thing, mantra itself is no way dangerous or powerful, this is the god which grants u some qualities if u deserve and chant a mantra, thus u sound powerful on account of ur's mantra sadhnaa. see, despite all the war here, why they couldn't stop me with their occult power, where there power gone, any power is given to you if u are a good human being, keep it in ur mind, if u r fair to urself and to others same way. regards, Lalit. vedic astrology, Bharat Varma <ffmbvarma@. ..> wrote: > > just out of curiosity, why would the divine people curse gayatri for. I thought they themselves practised gayatri and were able to spiritually grow to a level where no ordinary man would have reached. I was searching the net for stories related to this curse but found none. So if somebody can enligten on this. > > I used to watch a program on zee and in tht a lady also said the same that she practised some 64000 odd times (i dont remember the number) but she suffered bad luck after the completion of the mantra and this was addressed to some tantrik practisioner. I dont remember exactly what he said but i guess he said she shld have done one more mantra to balance the power of gayatri. > > Bharat > > > > > Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro@ ...> > vedic astrology > Tuesday, August 7, 2007 6:39:13 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE , OBSERVED AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER > > ll HARE RAM ll > Pandit Dakshinamoorthi ji, > I am completely agreed with you that Gayatri Mantra is needed some protocol before chanting as to remove curses of Brahma,Vashistha, Visvamitra & Shukra and later doing proper visarjana otherwise it can be harmful.It is not the Mahamantra given in " Kulsantaran " Upnishad like " HARE RAM HARE RAM RAM RAM HARE HARE,HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE " that can be chanted by any one and any position.Gayatri Mantra is called the mother of all mantras.Even to add Samputa of Gayatri Mantra makes one Mantra so powerful. > > Regards > Shashie Shekhar > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ .co. in> wrote: > Dear Shri. Manjunath: > > The three curses to Gayathri mantra were given mainly to > prevent " Rakshasaic " elements from getting unbridled power. So, if > you are of a saatwik quality and you have got initiated into the > mantra from someone, kindly keep chanting it. Otherwise, tradition > says that it is better not to chant. I have no individual opinion > regarding this. > > The best recourse for someone who wishes to avail Gayathri Grace is > to chant the Gayathri Sahasranaamam or Gayathri Sthothram (chaalisa > is of recent origin; in my opinion, except Hanumaan Chaalisaa > composed by Goswami Tulsi Das, the other chaalisaas have more of a > devotional value as they are modelled after the Hanumaan chaalisaa > and not too much of mantrik value). > > Otherwise, chanting " Om Shri Gaayathryai veda maatre namah " is the > best way. > > Please read through the earlier post....I have given different > options open before you. > > There are some controversies like " Can a person chant Gayathri > without upanayanam, can women chant, " etc. which I studiously avoid > because my views will be based only on traditions which might not be > compatible with what you see today. > > A policeman uses a baton to control a crowd, but if we do it, it is > considered manslaughter. ..is it not? A licensed person can drive > vehicles while a person without license should not drive even if he > is capable of driving! In the same way, deeksha samskaar or > upanayanam are like license procedures.. ...Saapa Nivaaranam is like > No-objection certificate or " fitness certificate " .....All these are > important... .you cannot say, I found a vehicle and I drove > it....there is not need for license...nothing will happen, etc. > > Even a license person can meet with accidents, in that case insurance > will cover the damages; but what will happen if an unlicensed person > drives vehicles and gets involved in an accident? A similar analogy > applies to mantras. Gayathri is a mahaa mantraa, and a powerful > one. But that does not imply anyone can chant it casually. If that > is so, why did the sages give elaborate procedures for upanayanam? > > By the way, Gayathri is not restricted only to Brahmins.... Even non- > Brahmins can chant Gayathri after upanayanam samskaar and getting > initiation. > > For those who wish to chant Gaayathri mantra without upanayanam there > is a Gayathri beeja mantra (composed only of beejas and no words > except swaahaa). You can get that rare beeja mantra from competent > Gurus and chant it (I doubt if you can get a proper Guru who knows > this). So sticking to the Gayathri sthothram will be best for you. > > Otherwise, go for the tantrik Gayathri > " Om Veda Maatre cha vidmahe Brahma Patnyai cha deemahii > Tanno Gaayathri prachodyaat " > > Anybody can chant this without any restriction and without any fear > of curses or ritual violations. > > May Veda Maata Gaayathri Bless everyone. > > PS: Dear Group: I do not want Mr. Lalith or his admirers here > baiting me further with non-shastraic posts on this matter any > further. I am still posting here keeping aside my personal pain just > for the benefit of the group. What I have said is in consonance with > shaastras and on the explicity query addressed to me. Any person > with decency will avoid jutting in between. I am waiting for mr. > Lalith's ban yet! This is not vengeance... but the command of a vedic > Guru. Dharma shastra allows such actions. I have not hit him or > done anything to him. I seek his banishment from a domain where you > people wish me to be a Guru and guide the group. I am within my > previleges to demand this. Otherwise, it is demeaning to my position > as a Guru, and unless I am a Guru, I am not obliged to share my rare > knowledge here. (Mr. Lalith may think any 100 Rs. book will teach > these things; the truth is ...it is not possible. Many books barring > a few exceptions are poorly researched and they cannot be relied on > intricate dharma shastraic matters). > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology, " Manjunath, T (GE > Healthcare) " wrote: > > > > Dear Shri. Pandit Dakshinamoorthi, > > > > Vanakkam, Please accept my sincere respects. > > As a learner, many of your posts are highly educative & your > > articulation & writing style is greatly admired. > > > > sir, your below mail on gayatri has confused me & therefore am > writing > > to you. i was planning to resume chanting this mantra shortly ( > again > > mainly prompted by the mails in the group) > > > > As a hindu non-brahmin, not acquainted with tradition & initiation > > rituals, what can a average person chant. > > i have even read ( not sure where) that un-initiated persons chant > > gayatri by not chanting OM in the beginning of the mantra > > > > My request & query is to clarify how one can chant Gayatri without > the > > adverse effects. > > > > Kindly write in leisure & help us all as much details time permits > you. > > even suggestions of books to read, place to get initiation > > in bangalore will help, my wife can read tamil, so pls. suggest > > accordingly > > > > i have a different query on murugan yantra which i shall request > > separately > > am a noh brahmin hindu, vegetarian since 1.5 years, non smoker & do > not > > use liquor. > > > > Sincerely, > > with best wishes & pranaams, > > > > Manju > > > > PS : for the group going-on's .. last night i remembered a > statement > > in tamil, am writing a rough translation, its a general statment & > not > > specific to anybody. > > > > " Those who believe you... No explanation is needed. Those who do > not > > believe you, No explanation can suffice " > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > vedic astrology > > [vedic- astrology] On Behalf Of > dakshinastrologer > > Monday, August 06, 2007 10:25 PM > > vedic astrology > > [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE , > OBSERVED > > AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Chidambaram: > > > > Powerful mantras usually have a Utkeelana mantra or saapa nivaarana > > mantra to get them activated and to remove the curses associated > with > > them. > > > > In fact the Great Gayathri mantra has 3 curses - Brahma saapa, > > Vasishta saapa, and Viswaamitra saapa. This was because anyone > > chanting the Gaayatri mantra can attain great siddhis, and such > power > > in the hands of persons with wrong attitudes can be disastrous to > the > > more pacific living entities including " gods and demi-gods " . Thus, > > anyone chanting the Gaayathri mantra without saapa vimochana mantra > > will actually not experience its full wonders. And those who chant > > it without initiation will actually experience many obstacles and > > dangers! It is stated in Viswamitra Samhita - Gaayathri paddati. > > > > " Saapa yuktaatu Gaayathri Chartur Varga phalaandakaa > > Saapa muktaatu Gaayathri chatur varga phalpradaa " > > > > Means Gaayathri with Saapa (i.e without removal of curse) will > cause > > destruction of 4 fold attainments of life (Dharma - Righteous > living, > > Artha - righteous earning of money, Kaama - righteous enjoyment of > > luxuries and pleasures, mokshaa - ultimate liberation), whereas > > Gaayathri relieved of the curses will cause gain of the 4 fold > > attainments. > > > > This injunction does not apply to those who do Gaayathri after > > upanayanam where the relevant mantras of activation are anyhow > > chanted. Even for these persons, the higher siddhis of the Gayathri > > mantra are locked if they chant the Gayathri without saapa > nivaarana > > mantra. > > > > Again, when mantraas are chanted, we should offer respects to the > > Rishis (mantra drushtaas - seers of the mantra who first identified > > the mantra with their yogic vision); during the deeksha, naandi > homam > > is to be done to honour one's ancestors - When a person is about to > > set foot in the path of spirituality, all his ancestors are happy > and > > will congregate in that place of deeksha earnestly. So, they should > > be honoured auspiciously and their blessings should be sought. Then > > one should make " Japa prathignyaa " means declaration that this is > the > > purpose of the deekshaa and I will definitely be regular in my > > chantings and will use my power only for good purposes. Slipping in > > this promise after getting siddhis has been the nemesis of many > > mantra shaastra experts. > > > > Usually one should select one particular Deity (whatever it is) > > either according to one's family customs or using astrological > > methods to check Ishta/ phalana devataas, or by using one's own > > intuition and natural predisposition to pray to a particular Deity. > > The upaasanaa of that deity should be done after getting proper > > deekshaa which will ensure speedy perfection. > > > > For an accomplished practitioner, it will be hardly a matter of > half > > an hour of preliminary mantrik routines, and then they can > > concentrate on mantra japam as per their time availability and > > convenience. During emergencies these procedures can be shortened. > > > > But,it is better to have a utkeelanam or saapa nivaaranam or > kavacha > > upadesham (most advanced mantras require kavacha recital before > > chanting of moola mantraas) initiated at least once before one > > proceeds with endless repetitions of mantras. If it could not be > > done in the initial stages, at least when one reaches significant > > land marks like 1 lakh japams, 24 lakh japams, or 1 crore japam > > counts, they may have these special elements initiated which will > > immediately unlock the stored potential of all the japams give > > intense mystic experiences. Detailed procedures like yoginii > > nyaasam, aksharaa nyaasam (meditating on different aksharaas in > > different parts of the body as per traditions), etc. are also done > > during deeksha which helps the body to resonate well with the > mantra > > being chanted.Advanced spiritual Gurus are capable of giving such > an > > experience by direct transfer of their power to the sishyaa. In > such > > a case, utkeelanam, kavacham, saapa nivaaranam, etc. are not > > necessary at all! > > > > For most common mantras, the use of anga nyaasam, kara nyaasam, and > > dig bandanam is enough; these procedures will be automatically > given > > in most standard works. > > > > Blessed be. > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > vedic astrology > > , nagarajan chidambaram > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > > > Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience. > > > > > > I have been very closely following your posts and replies in this > > group for the past one year and have had the getting a deeper > > understanding on the subjects discussed. > > > > > > I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the right > > way to chant a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have been > > locked by the creators just like a software being locked in a way > > that it can be used only by the user knowing the key. That is to > say > > that every mantra has a key and unless the person chanting the > mantra > > uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am told that even > > the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only with > > the use of the appropriate key. > > > > > > How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of your > > stature. > > > > > > I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of the > > right usage of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and > help > > humanity regain the lost science of using the vibrational science > for > > the benefit of mankind. > > > > > > Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my > humble > > and earnest prayer enlighten me. > > > > > > Your humble admirer, > > > > > > Nagaajan.C > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. 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