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Dear Dr. Kursija:

 

Nothing can be for certain in life....In fact, I believe nothing is

impossible......But, it is all a matter of prioritisation........There are

simple mantras that will give benefit to everyone......so, anybody can be a

mantra shastraic practitioner without any restrictions; but, if you are asking

" Can I become an expert without undergoing rigorous disciplines? " ........The

answer will be " No.....It is not possible; with time, you may attain some powers

if you can be consistent in spending at least sometime every day regularly over

many years......but siddhis of a Higher level are definitely not easily

obtained. "

 

I have personal experience of handling persons who have had residual siddhis

due to previous saadhanaas and have thought that the power will be with them

constantly, but they have lost in due course because they have not done anything

in this life. My own father was an expert in " Kshetra Ganitham " , and could

tell logarithmic values just like that when he was just 3 years old without any

training or education whatsoever! But, as he grew up, his ability in

mathematics is still there, but he is nowhere near the prodigious powers he

displayed as a child. This is one example of residual powers in an individual;

even this is a result of previous life saadhanaas or siddhis. They get burnt

out easily with time if they are not renewed. Of couse, a person with a large

quantum of residual siddhis may spend a full lifetime enjoying automated

siddhis, but he is doing a disservice to himself by not renewing those powers.

 

On a different note, let me tell one thing......These siddhis usually seek

spiritual aspirants with a good attitude automatically; Rishis never sought

after siddhis. They sought after enlightenment. Vaak siddhi was rather a

by-product in their progress. Those who " seek " siddhis voluntarily should

indeed be willing to spend time and energy.

 

I believe no body is busy enough to say that " I have no time for siddhis " . If

I - a person handling thousands of mails and requests per day can spend time on

japams, I do now know why others will not have time (I do not claim I possess

any power, but I just do my rituals as a part of my Duty as a Vedic Brahmin!)

It is all a matter or prioritisation in my opinion.

 

Blessed be.

Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

" S.C. Kursija " <sckursija wrote:

Respected Pandit ji,

Thanks for the response.Does it mean that a person

like me living in city like Delhi and leading a busy

life can not acquire these gifts of Rishees.

With regards.

--- " Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI "

wrote:

 

> Dear Dr.Kursija:

>

> if one wants to be a champion sportsman, he has to

> train hard - of course there may be different

> training

> techniques and there may be " difference of opinion "

> as

> to the best training routines....yet, a person

> trying

> to become a champion should select some routine and

> train is it not? Then, he/she has to select a good

> coach to guide during the training, and later sweat

> it

> out by running miles, lifting pound after pound,

> regulating every routine of life according to set

> principles of work-out, recovery and rest under

> careful guidance of a good coach.....And then a

> person

> becomes a champion, or many even drop out in the

> middle.

>

>

> There is no short-cut to reaching the highest levels

> of any field; mantra shastra is no exception.

>

> I think I have answered you - though indirectly.

>

> Blessed be.

> Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

>

>

>

> --- sckursija wrote:

>

> > Respected Sh.Dakshna Moorty ji,

> > Pranam,

> > Will you spare some time to advise about me what

> is

> > Vaak siddhi and

> > how it can be attained for a man like me?

> > Any book on remedies with simple rules to apply,

> as

> > in classic Mantra

> > Shastra selection of mantra accrding to individual

> > in not easy. I have

> > Mantra Mahodadhi, and other books from

> > Allahabad,Dasa vidya etc with

> > mantra from one word to 28 or more words. Which

> one

> > is to select is a

> > hard nut to crack.There is difference of opinion

> > also on mantra

> > composition. Please guide.

> > With regards and respect.

> > vedic astrology ,

> > " dakshinastrologer "

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri. Dheeraj:

> > >

> > > First things first.....Please do not type a mail

> > in all caps....In

> > > netiquette it is considered as shouting.....

> > >

> > > Regarding remedies, an astrologer who analyzes

> the

> > horoscope but does

> > > not provide remedies is like a physician who

> > refuses to give

> > > medicines but will only analyze what ailments

> have

> > struck the patient.

> > >

> > > Remedies suggested without mercenary intentions

> > with the pure

> > > intention of helping the seeker really work

> > miraculously. There are

> > > times when the effects border on paranormal or

> > supernatural.

> > >

> > > Suggesting remedies requires practical

> application

> > of principles and

> > > the really qualified and experienced astrologers

> > do take liberties

> > > while suggesting remedies - like they may

> > interpret the situation

> > > broadly and like lawyers filing petitions, they

> > may suggest modified

> > > remedies. For instance, if Raahu is afflicted

> the

> > general remedy

> > > will be Naaga pratishta, or visit to Shri

> > Kaalahasti or Shri

> > > Naageshwaram temple in Tanjore district. But,

> an

> > intelligent

> > > astrologer who knows the planetary dispositions

> > and indications

> > > concerning everything can suggest a simpler

> remedy

> > for a person who

> > > cannot make these trips (supposing the native is

> > abroad....) Worship

> > > of Goddess Durga is suggested; of course there

> is

> > Dasa Mahaa Vidyaa

> > > based remedy; Worshipping Lord Hanumaan's tail

> is

> > another remedy.

> > > Getting the blessings of Maternal grandmother is

> > another remedy!

> > > Gems can be suggested. Offering Vadamaala to

> > Hanumaan can be

> > > suggested. Gifting of Gems can be suggested.

> > Offering Kaamadhenu

> > > pooja can be suggested.....The list is almost

> > endless!

> > >

> > > The astrologer should use intelligence,

> intuition,

> > and practical

> > > application of astrological principles

> considering

> > the horoscopic

> > > factors involved.

> > >

> > > Though it seems to be complicated, in reality it

> > is not so. It seems

> > > complicated when I try to explain it.

> > >

> > > The bottom line is...remedies work well if the

> > person who suggests it

> > > has some Vaak siddhi (the astrologer should deem

> > it a duty to do

> > > regular japas for this purpose), the client/

> > questioner should have

> > > unassailable faith (without faith the whole

> > purpose of astrological

> > > consultation is null!), and the remedies should

> be

> > timed by the

> > > astrologer intelligently. For instance, yantras

> > work best ONLY if

> > > the questioner is having auspicious Jupiter

> > transits with respect to

> > > natal Moon. Otherwise, energization of the

> yantra

> > has to be very

> > > intense to give results. There are set

> conditions

> > like that. If all

> > > these are taken into account, remedies do give

> > miraculous results.

> > >

> > > DEFINITELY THEY ARE NOT MERE PLACEBOS!

> (Sometimes,

> > when nothing is

> > > going to work, placebos are offered. That is,

> the

> > remedy may not

> > > give a direct impact on the situation because it

> > is beyond our hands;

> > > even in those cases, the simple prayers

> suggested

> > are not a waste of

> > > time or resources as they are going to alter the

> > karmic balance

> > > sheet).

> > >

> > > Time and again, my experience has shown that

> > remedies have almost

> > > altered Fatalistic elements. Of course, as I

> work

> > at a level where

> > > people approach me as the last stop or last

> > recourse, there have been

> > > failures too!

> > >

> > > I might have written before, but I will write it

> > again....Remedies

> > > are like filing clemency petition....It is up to

> > the President

> > > (Almighty) to see if it can be offered. The

> > astrologer is like the

> > > defense lawyer and a good and ethical God-loving

> > astrologer can

> > > indeed represent his client's case intelligently

> > and forcefully to

> > > Divinities and Planets. If the client

> cooperates

> > by good behaviour

> > > and attitudes, the chances of the petition being

> > granted are high.

> > > But, if the client jumps bail (does something

> that

> > is not supposed to

> > > be done during the deeksha in this case - may it

> > be eating things

> > > that are prohibited, indulging in unethical acts

> > that the astrologer

> > > has specifically asked to avoid, or refusing to

> do

> > a part of the

> > > remedy thinking that it is too insignificant,

> > etc.), the lawyer (here

> > > the astrologer) is helpless. The Judge/

> President

> > (God or other

> > > Divine Entities) are impartial, and their final

> > judgement will be

> > > correct no matter whether it is in our favour or

> > not!

> > >

> > > This is the attitude and mentality with which I

> > approach remedies.

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , dheeraj

> > khosla

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > NAMASKAR RESPECTED PANDITS AND MEMBERS,

> > > >

> > > I HAVE ONE SERIOUS AND STRAIGHT

> > FORWARD QUERY

> > > REGARDING REMEDIES.

> > > > CAN REMEDY REALY WORKS WELL ? OR

> JUST

> > A PSHYCOLOGICAL

> > > SUPPORT TO STRENTHEN MOON ( MANN OR

> > CHITT).

> > > >

> > > > DONT YOU SENIOR MEMBERS THINK THAT

> EVEN

> > ONE HAVE TO

> > > SEE WHETHER REMEDIES IS DESTINED IN

> PARTICULAR

> > HOROSCOPE (

> > > case) OR NOT. IF OTHERWISE IN SOME

> > CONDITIONS PLANETS

> > > GIVE STRAAIGHT FORWARD RESULTS ( whether

> good

> > or bad) , HENCE

> > > NO SCOPE OF REMEDY ,WHAT SO EVER !!.........

> > THIS IS I WANT

> > > TO KNOW FOR COMMON MAN NOT FOR YOGIS

> AND

> > CONCIOUSS SOULS(

> > > they r exceptions i know).

> > > >

> > > > AND SOME TIMES MATTERS OF FAITH ARISES.

>

> > BUT I GENUINLY

> > > WANTS EXPERIENCES OF SENIOR ASTROLOGERS LIKE

> > PT .

> > > DAKSHINAMOORTHY JI, RAFALJI, MOHANRAMJI, PT.

> > ARJUNJI .

> > > >

> > > > I AM NOT TALKING BOOKISH ISSUES, JUST

> I

> > AM TALKING

> > > REAL , OBSERVED EXPERIENCES OF REMEDIES BY

>

> > GREAT ASTROLOGERS.

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

> Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

> ASTROLOGICAL AND REMEDIAL CONSULTANT

> Plot no. 1/29

> Eleventh Street

> Babanagar

> Villivakkam

> Chennai 600 049.

>

>

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> your inbox. Go to

>

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>

 

 

 

 

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Repected Dakshinamoorthyji,

From where can I get to know which mantra can provide me which siddhi...

Or does it comes automatically according to ones birth chart, if he keeps on

doing japa of mantras he has been told since childhood or at a later stage.

Is there any specific methodology for this?

 

Pranam,

Amit

 

 

 

Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI <dakshinastrologer

S.C. Kursija <sckursija

Cc: vedic astrology

Friday, August 3, 2007 1:26:20 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE , OBSERVED AND

EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER

 

Dear Dr. Kursija:

 

Nothing can be for certain in life....In fact, I believe nothing is impossible..

.....But, it is all a matter of prioritisation. .......There are simple mantras

that will give benefit to everyone.... ..so, anybody can be a mantra shastraic

practitioner without any restrictions; but, if you are asking " Can I become an

expert without undergoing rigorous disciplines? " ........ The answer will be

" No.....It is not possible; with time, you may attain some powers if you can be

consistent in spending at least sometime every day regularly over many

years......but siddhis of a Higher level are definitely not easily obtained. "

 

I have personal experience of handling persons who have had residual siddhis due

to previous saadhanaas and have thought that the power will be with them

constantly, but they have lost in due course because they have not done anything

in this life. My own father was an expert in " Kshetra Ganitham " , and could tell

logarithmic values just like that when he was just 3 years old without any

training or education whatsoever! But, as he grew up, his ability in mathematics

is still there, but he is nowhere near the prodigious powers he displayed as a

child. This is one example of residual powers in an individual; even this is a

result of previous life saadhanaas or siddhis. They get burnt out easily with

time if they are not renewed. Of couse, a person with a large quantum of

residual siddhis may spend a full lifetime enjoying automated siddhis, but he is

doing a disservice to himself by not renewing those powers.

 

On a different note, let me tell one thing......These siddhis usually seek

spiritual aspirants with a good attitude automatically; Rishis never sought

after siddhis. They sought after enlightenment. Vaak siddhi was rather a

by-product in their progress. Those who " seek " siddhis voluntarily should indeed

be willing to spend time and energy.

 

I believe no body is busy enough to say that " I have no time for siddhis " . If I

- a person handling thousands of mails and requests per day can spend time on

japams, I do now know why others will not have time (I do not claim I possess

any power, but I just do my rituals as a part of my Duty as a Vedic Brahmin!) It

is all a matter or prioritisation in my opinion.

 

Blessed be.

Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

" S.C. Kursija " <sckursija > wrote:

Respected Pandit ji,

Thanks for the response.Does it mean that a person

like me living in city like Delhi and leading a busy

life can not acquire these gifts of Rishees.

With regards.

--- " Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI "

wrote:

 

> Dear Dr.Kursija:

>

> if one wants to be a champion sportsman, he has to

> train hard - of course there may be different

> training

> techniques and there may be " difference of opinion "

> as

> to the best training routines.... yet, a person

> trying

> to become a champion should select some routine and

> train is it not? Then, he/she has to select a good

> coach to guide during the training, and later sweat

> it

> out by running miles, lifting pound after pound,

> regulating every routine of life according to set

> principles of work-out, recovery and rest under

> careful guidance of a good coach.....And then a

> person

> becomes a champion, or many even drop out in the

> middle.

>

>

> There is no short-cut to reaching the highest levels

> of any field; mantra shastra is no exception.

>

> I think I have answered you - though indirectly.

>

> Blessed be.

> Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

>

>

>

> --- sckursija wrote:

>

> > Respected Sh.Dakshna Moorty ji,

> > Pranam,

> > Will you spare some time to advise about me what

> is

> > Vaak siddhi and

> > how it can be attained for a man like me?

> > Any book on remedies with simple rules to apply,

> as

> > in classic Mantra

> > Shastra selection of mantra accrding to individual

> > in not easy. I have

> > Mantra Mahodadhi, and other books from

> > Allahabad,Dasa vidya etc with

> > mantra from one word to 28 or more words. Which

> one

> > is to select is a

> > hard nut to crack.There is difference of opinion

> > also on mantra

> > composition. Please guide.

> > With regards and respect.

> > vedic astrology,

> > " dakshinastrologer "

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri. Dheeraj:

> > >

> > > First things first.....Please do not type a mail

> > in all caps....In

> > > netiquette it is considered as shouting.... .

> > >

> > > Regarding remedies, an astrologer who analyzes

> the

> > horoscope but does

> > > not provide remedies is like a physician who

> > refuses to give

> > > medicines but will only analyze what ailments

> have

> > struck the patient.

> > >

> > > Remedies suggested without mercenary intentions

> > with the pure

> > > intention of helping the seeker really work

> > miraculously. There are

> > > times when the effects border on paranormal or

> > supernatural.

> > >

> > > Suggesting remedies requires practical

> application

> > of principles and

> > > the really qualified and experienced astrologers

> > do take liberties

> > > while suggesting remedies - like they may

> > interpret the situation

> > > broadly and like lawyers filing petitions, they

> > may suggest modified

> > > remedies. For instance, if Raahu is afflicted

> the

> > general remedy

> > > will be Naaga pratishta, or visit to Shri

> > Kaalahasti or Shri

> > > Naageshwaram temple in Tanjore district. But,

> an

> > intelligent

> > > astrologer who knows the planetary dispositions

> > and indications

> > > concerning everything can suggest a simpler

> remedy

> > for a person who

> > > cannot make these trips (supposing the native is

> > abroad....) Worship

> > > of Goddess Durga is suggested; of course there

> is

> > Dasa Mahaa Vidyaa

> > > based remedy; Worshipping Lord Hanumaan's tail

> is

> > another remedy.

> > > Getting the blessings of Maternal grandmother is

> > another remedy!

> > > Gems can be suggested. Offering Vadamaala to

> > Hanumaan can be

> > > suggested. Gifting of Gems can be suggested.

> > Offering Kaamadhenu

> > > pooja can be suggested... ..The list is almost

> > endless!

> > >

> > > The astrologer should use intelligence,

> intuition,

> > and practical

> > > application of astrological principles

> considering

> > the horoscopic

> > > factors involved.

> > >

> > > Though it seems to be complicated, in reality it

> > is not so. It seems

> > > complicated when I try to explain it.

> > >

> > > The bottom line is...remedies work well if the

> > person who suggests it

> > > has some Vaak siddhi (the astrologer should deem

> > it a duty to do

> > > regular japas for this purpose), the client/

> > questioner should have

> > > unassailable faith (without faith the whole

> > purpose of astrological

> > > consultation is null!), and the remedies should

> be

> > timed by the

> > > astrologer intelligently. For instance, yantras

> > work best ONLY if

> > > the questioner is having auspicious Jupiter

> > transits with respect to

> > > natal Moon. Otherwise, energization of the

> yantra

> > has to be very

> > > intense to give results. There are set

> conditions

> > like that. If all

> > > these are taken into account, remedies do give

> > miraculous results.

> > >

> > > DEFINITELY THEY ARE NOT MERE PLACEBOS!

> (Sometimes,

> > when nothing is

> > > going to work, placebos are offered. That is,

> the

> > remedy may not

> > > give a direct impact on the situation because it

> > is beyond our hands;

> > > even in those cases, the simple prayers

> suggested

> > are not a waste of

> > > time or resources as they are going to alter the

> > karmic balance

> > > sheet).

> > >

> > > Time and again, my experience has shown that

> > remedies have almost

> > > altered Fatalistic elements. Of course, as I

> work

> > at a level where

> > > people approach me as the last stop or last

> > recourse, there have been

> > > failures too!

> > >

> > > I might have written before, but I will write it

> > again....Remedies

> > > are like filing clemency petition.... It is up to

> > the President

> > > (Almighty) to see if it can be offered. The

> > astrologer is like the

> > > defense lawyer and a good and ethical God-loving

> > astrologer can

> > > indeed represent his client's case intelligently

> > and forcefully to

> > > Divinities and Planets. If the client

> cooperates

> > by good behaviour

> > > and attitudes, the chances of the petition being

> > granted are high.

> > > But, if the client jumps bail (does something

> that

> > is not supposed to

> > > be done during the deeksha in this case - may it

> > be eating things

> > > that are prohibited, indulging in unethical acts

> > that the astrologer

> > > has specifically asked to avoid, or refusing to

> do

> > a part of the

> > > remedy thinking that it is too insignificant,

> > etc.), the lawyer (here

> > > the astrologer) is helpless. The Judge/

> President

> > (God or other

> > > Divine Entities) are impartial, and their final

> > judgement will be

> > > correct no matter whether it is in our favour or

> > not!

> > >

> > > This is the attitude and mentality with which I

> > approach remedies.

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, dheeraj

> > khosla

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > NAMASKAR RESPECTED PANDITS AND MEMBERS,

> > > >

> > > I HAVE ONE SERIOUS AND STRAIGHT

> > FORWARD QUERY

> > > REGARDING REMEDIES.

> > > > CAN REMEDY REALY WORKS WELL ? OR

> JUST

> > A PSHYCOLOGICAL

> > > SUPPORT TO STRENTHEN MOON ( MANN OR

> > CHITT).

> > > >

> > > > DONT YOU SENIOR MEMBERS THINK THAT

> EVEN

> > ONE HAVE TO

> > > SEE WHETHER REMEDIES IS DESTINED IN

> PARTICULAR

> > HOROSCOPE (

> > > case) OR NOT. IF OTHERWISE IN SOME

> > CONDITIONS PLANETS

> > > GIVE STRAAIGHT FORWARD RESULTS ( whether

> good

> > or bad) , HENCE

> > > NO SCOPE OF REMEDY ,WHAT SO EVER !!.........

> > THIS IS I WANT

> > > TO KNOW FOR COMMON MAN NOT FOR YOGIS

> AND

> > CONCIOUSS SOULS(

> > > they r exceptions i know).

> > > >

> > > > AND SOME TIMES MATTERS OF FAITH ARISES.

>

> > BUT I GENUINLY

> > > WANTS EXPERIENCES OF SENIOR ASTROLOGERS LIKE

> > PT .

> > > DAKSHINAMOORTHY JI, RAFALJI, MOHANRAMJI, PT.

> > ARJUNJI .

> > > >

> > > > I AM NOT TALKING BOOKISH ISSUES, JUST

> I

> > AM TALKING

> > > REAL , OBSERVED EXPERIENCES OF REMEDIES BY

>

> > GREAT ASTROLOGERS.

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

> Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

> ASTROLOGICAL AND REMEDIAL CONSULTANT

> Plot no. 1/29

> Eleventh Street

> Babanagar

> Villivakkam

> Chennai 600 049.

>

>

> 5, 50, 500, 5000. Store N number of mails in

> your inbox. Go to

>

http://help. / l/in// mail/mail/ tools/tools- 08.html

>

 

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You can keep on chanting the mantras you have been chanting from

childhood; obviously your parents or elders in the family will be

your Gurus for that. This will definitely give siddhi.

 

It is not the tool per se but the person behind the tool who

accomplishes things. The tool is obviously important, but the skill

of the person wielding the tool is more important.

 

Similarly, it is not the " mantra " that actually

accomplishes....mantras have their own potency....but, it is the

person who chants it with right attitude who will get siddhi. Simple

sthothras can even get Divine Grace faster if we are devoted.

 

But, if you want to get deeksha mantraas, it is best to get it

initiated from a trained and qualified mantra shaastra expert whom

you should consider as your Guru. Once you take such a deeksha, you

should follow the Guru's traditions and avoid dabbling in other

traditions that are contrary to your Guru's teachings.

 

Now, how to select a Guru? or rather ,how to identify a Guru?

 

The person on seeing whom you feel naturally impelled to follow his

footsteps (It can be a she also!), on hearing whose words all your

doubts seem to get dispelled, on thinking of whom you get motivated

at a level where words cannot adquately express those

sentiments.....He/ she is your Guru.

 

Guru is Father, Mother, and God rolled into one for an ardent

Seeker. It is verily Merit of countless previous lives that can get

a Good Guru to an aspirant.

 

Once you have identified such a Guru, do not judge him/ her by normal

standards. Obey their bidding. Each Guru may have his/ her own

methods of deekshaa....There may be some Gurus who might insist on a

deeksha homaa and deeksha abhisheka ritual which might be costly;

there might some Gurus who will just touch your space between

eyebrows with their right hand thumb or even Right toe and energize

you (like Shri Raamakrishna Paramahamsa did to Swami Vivekaanandaa);

there might be some Gurus who might slip some old palm leaf

inscription with the mantra to your hands and dispose you off! there

might be some Gurus who might require you to spend some time in

spiritual retreat with them; some who might require that you visit

certain Holy Places before meeting them.....the methods are endless.

You should not compare or judge your Guru at all once you have taken

them as your Spiritual Guide. Humble attitude of surrender to a good

Guru will definitely speed up the process of Self Realization and

Enlightenment.

 

If this seems impractical to you, try reading works like Mahaabharata

(especially Bhagavat Gitaa, and Anusaashana Parvam of that great

work), Vajrasuchika Upanishad, Chaandilya Bhakti sutraas, etc. They

will act as Gurus for you and give you spiritual insights by God's

Grace.

 

Blessed be

Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

vedic astrology , Shindi <sinhazz wrote:

>

> Repected Dakshinamoorthyji,

> From where can I get to know which mantra can provide me which

siddhi...

> Or does it comes automatically according to ones birth chart, if he

keeps on doing japa of mantras he has been told since childhood or

at a later stage.

> Is there any specific methodology for this?

>

> Pranam,

> Amit

>

>

>

> Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI <dakshinastrologer

> S.C. Kursija <sckursija

> Cc: vedic astrology

> Friday, August 3, 2007 1:26:20 PM

> [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE ,

OBSERVED AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER

>

> Dear Dr. Kursija:

>

> Nothing can be for certain in life....In fact, I believe nothing is

impossible.. ....But, it is all a matter of

prioritisation. .......There are simple mantras that will give

benefit to everyone.... ..so, anybody can be a mantra shastraic

practitioner without any restrictions; but, if you are asking " Can I

become an expert without undergoing rigorous disciplines? " ........

The answer will be " No.....It is not possible; with time, you may

attain some powers if you can be consistent in spending at least

sometime every day regularly over many years......but siddhis of a

Higher level are definitely not easily obtained. "

>

> I have personal experience of handling persons who have had

residual siddhis due to previous saadhanaas and have thought that the

power will be with them constantly, but they have lost in due course

because they have not done anything in this life. My own father was

an expert in " Kshetra Ganitham " , and could tell logarithmic values

just like that when he was just 3 years old without any training or

education whatsoever! But, as he grew up, his ability in mathematics

is still there, but he is nowhere near the prodigious powers he

displayed as a child. This is one example of residual powers in an

individual; even this is a result of previous life saadhanaas or

siddhis. They get burnt out easily with time if they are not renewed.

Of couse, a person with a large quantum of residual siddhis may spend

a full lifetime enjoying automated siddhis, but he is doing a

disservice to himself by not renewing those powers.

>

> On a different note, let me tell one thing......These siddhis

usually seek spiritual aspirants with a good attitude automatically;

Rishis never sought after siddhis. They sought after enlightenment.

Vaak siddhi was rather a by-product in their progress. Those

who " seek " siddhis voluntarily should indeed be willing to spend time

and energy.

>

> I believe no body is busy enough to say that " I have no time for

siddhis " . If I - a person handling thousands of mails and requests

per day can spend time on japams, I do now know why others will not

have time (I do not claim I possess any power, but I just do my

rituals as a part of my Duty as a Vedic Brahmin!) It is all a matter

or prioritisation in my opinion.

>

> Blessed be.

> Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

> " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija > wrote:

> Respected Pandit ji,

> Thanks for the response.Does it mean that a person

> like me living in city like Delhi and leading a busy

> life can not acquire these gifts of Rishees.

> With regards.

> --- " Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI "

> wrote:

>

> > Dear Dr.Kursija:

> >

> > if one wants to be a champion sportsman, he has to

> > train hard - of course there may be different

> > training

> > techniques and there may be " difference of opinion "

> > as

> > to the best training routines.... yet, a person

> > trying

> > to become a champion should select some routine and

> > train is it not? Then, he/she has to select a good

> > coach to guide during the training, and later sweat

> > it

> > out by running miles, lifting pound after pound,

> > regulating every routine of life according to set

> > principles of work-out, recovery and rest under

> > careful guidance of a good coach.....And then a

> > person

> > becomes a champion, or many even drop out in the

> > middle.

> >

> >

> > There is no short-cut to reaching the highest levels

> > of any field; mantra shastra is no exception.

> >

> > I think I have answered you - though indirectly.

> >

> > Blessed be.

> > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

> >

> >

> >

> > --- sckursija wrote:

> >

> > > Respected Sh.Dakshna Moorty ji,

> > > Pranam,

> > > Will you spare some time to advise about me what

> > is

> > > Vaak siddhi and

> > > how it can be attained for a man like me?

> > > Any book on remedies with simple rules to apply,

> > as

> > > in classic Mantra

> > > Shastra selection of mantra accrding to individual

> > > in not easy. I have

> > > Mantra Mahodadhi, and other books from

> > > Allahabad,Dasa vidya etc with

> > > mantra from one word to 28 or more words. Which

> > one

> > > is to select is a

> > > hard nut to crack.There is difference of opinion

> > > also on mantra

> > > composition. Please guide.

> > > With regards and respect.

> > > vedic astrology,

> > > " dakshinastrologer "

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri. Dheeraj:

> > > >

> > > > First things first.....Please do not type a mail

> > > in all caps....In

> > > > netiquette it is considered as shouting.... .

> > > >

> > > > Regarding remedies, an astrologer who analyzes

> > the

> > > horoscope but does

> > > > not provide remedies is like a physician who

> > > refuses to give

> > > > medicines but will only analyze what ailments

> > have

> > > struck the patient.

> > > >

> > > > Remedies suggested without mercenary intentions

> > > with the pure

> > > > intention of helping the seeker really work

> > > miraculously. There are

> > > > times when the effects border on paranormal or

> > > supernatural.

> > > >

> > > > Suggesting remedies requires practical

> > application

> > > of principles and

> > > > the really qualified and experienced astrologers

> > > do take liberties

> > > > while suggesting remedies - like they may

> > > interpret the situation

> > > > broadly and like lawyers filing petitions, they

> > > may suggest modified

> > > > remedies. For instance, if Raahu is afflicted

> > the

> > > general remedy

> > > > will be Naaga pratishta, or visit to Shri

> > > Kaalahasti or Shri

> > > > Naageshwaram temple in Tanjore district. But,

> > an

> > > intelligent

> > > > astrologer who knows the planetary dispositions

> > > and indications

> > > > concerning everything can suggest a simpler

> > remedy

> > > for a person who

> > > > cannot make these trips (supposing the native is

> > > abroad....) Worship

> > > > of Goddess Durga is suggested; of course there

> > is

> > > Dasa Mahaa Vidyaa

> > > > based remedy; Worshipping Lord Hanumaan's tail

> > is

> > > another remedy.

> > > > Getting the blessings of Maternal grandmother is

> > > another remedy!

> > > > Gems can be suggested. Offering Vadamaala to

> > > Hanumaan can be

> > > > suggested. Gifting of Gems can be suggested.

> > > Offering Kaamadhenu

> > > > pooja can be suggested... ..The list is almost

> > > endless!

> > > >

> > > > The astrologer should use intelligence,

> > intuition,

> > > and practical

> > > > application of astrological principles

> > considering

> > > the horoscopic

> > > > factors involved.

> > > >

> > > > Though it seems to be complicated, in reality it

> > > is not so. It seems

> > > > complicated when I try to explain it.

> > > >

> > > > The bottom line is...remedies work well if the

> > > person who suggests it

> > > > has some Vaak siddhi (the astrologer should deem

> > > it a duty to do

> > > > regular japas for this purpose), the client/

> > > questioner should have

> > > > unassailable faith (without faith the whole

> > > purpose of astrological

> > > > consultation is null!), and the remedies should

> > be

> > > timed by the

> > > > astrologer intelligently. For instance, yantras

> > > work best ONLY if

> > > > the questioner is having auspicious Jupiter

> > > transits with respect to

> > > > natal Moon. Otherwise, energization of the

> > yantra

> > > has to be very

> > > > intense to give results. There are set

> > conditions

> > > like that. If all

> > > > these are taken into account, remedies do give

> > > miraculous results.

> > > >

> > > > DEFINITELY THEY ARE NOT MERE PLACEBOS!

> > (Sometimes,

> > > when nothing is

> > > > going to work, placebos are offered. That is,

> > the

> > > remedy may not

> > > > give a direct impact on the situation because it

> > > is beyond our hands;

> > > > even in those cases, the simple prayers

> > suggested

> > > are not a waste of

> > > > time or resources as they are going to alter the

> > > karmic balance

> > > > sheet).

> > > >

> > > > Time and again, my experience has shown that

> > > remedies have almost

> > > > altered Fatalistic elements. Of course, as I

> > work

> > > at a level where

> > > > people approach me as the last stop or last

> > > recourse, there have been

> > > > failures too!

> > > >

> > > > I might have written before, but I will write it

> > > again....Remedies

> > > > are like filing clemency petition.... It is up to

> > > the President

> > > > (Almighty) to see if it can be offered. The

> > > astrologer is like the

> > > > defense lawyer and a good and ethical God-loving

> > > astrologer can

> > > > indeed represent his client's case intelligently

> > > and forcefully to

> > > > Divinities and Planets. If the client

> > cooperates

> > > by good behaviour

> > > > and attitudes, the chances of the petition being

> > > granted are high.

> > > > But, if the client jumps bail (does something

> > that

> > > is not supposed to

> > > > be done during the deeksha in this case - may it

> > > be eating things

> > > > that are prohibited, indulging in unethical acts

> > > that the astrologer

> > > > has specifically asked to avoid, or refusing to

> > do

> > > a part of the

> > > > remedy thinking that it is too insignificant,

> > > etc.), the lawyer (here

> > > > the astrologer) is helpless. The Judge/

> > President

> > > (God or other

> > > > Divine Entities) are impartial, and their final

> > > judgement will be

> > > > correct no matter whether it is in our favour or

> > > not!

> > > >

> > > > This is the attitude and mentality with which I

> > > approach remedies.

> > > >

> > > > Blessed be.

> > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, dheeraj

> > > khosla

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > NAMASKAR RESPECTED PANDITS AND MEMBERS,

> > > > >

> > > > I HAVE ONE SERIOUS AND STRAIGHT

> > > FORWARD QUERY

> > > > REGARDING REMEDIES.

> > > > > CAN REMEDY REALY WORKS WELL ? OR

> > JUST

> > > A PSHYCOLOGICAL

> > > > SUPPORT TO STRENTHEN MOON ( MANN OR

> > > CHITT).

> > > > >

> > > > > DONT YOU SENIOR MEMBERS THINK THAT

> > EVEN

> > > ONE HAVE TO

> > > > SEE WHETHER REMEDIES IS DESTINED IN

> > PARTICULAR

> > > HOROSCOPE (

> > > > case) OR NOT. IF OTHERWISE IN SOME

> > > CONDITIONS PLANETS

> > > > GIVE STRAAIGHT FORWARD RESULTS ( whether

> > good

> > > or bad) , HENCE

> > > > NO SCOPE OF REMEDY ,WHAT SO EVER !!.........

> > > THIS IS I WANT

> > > > TO KNOW FOR COMMON MAN NOT FOR YOGIS

> > AND

> > > CONCIOUSS SOULS(

> > > > they r exceptions i know).

> > > > >

> > > > > AND SOME TIMES MATTERS OF FAITH ARISES.

> >

> > > BUT I GENUINLY

> > > > WANTS EXPERIENCES OF SENIOR ASTROLOGERS LIKE

> > > PT .

> > > > DAKSHINAMOORTHY JI, RAFALJI, MOHANRAMJI, PT.

> > > ARJUNJI .

> > > > >

> > > > > I AM NOT TALKING BOOKISH ISSUES, JUST

> > I

> > > AM TALKING

> > > > REAL , OBSERVED EXPERIENCES OF REMEDIES BY

> >

> > > GREAT ASTROLOGERS.

> > >

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Dear Dr. Kursija:

 

It is true that Lal Kitab remedies are more practical and give results on a

real-time basis. It is mantra shaastra in practice! These are called

" upaayees " - use of materials having magic potency to cure some problems. But,

you had used a good similie.....it is like taking a tablet for a head-ache;

good, you get immediate relief....but, what if the patient is actually suffering

from a malignancy in the brain; by suppressing the symptom are we " REALLY "

helping the patient.....

 

Mantra shaastra in its advanced stages is like advanced surgery that can go

and solve the problem at its roots. So, by its very nature, it has to be

exclusive!

 

You have said that shodas poojaas are not possible and " only " Maanasic pooja

is possible.....It is not a disadvantage! Actually maanaasic pooja done with

proper attitude scores better than " actual " pooja using pooja materials. It is

the attitude that counts here.

 

Again, I will answer another simile from your post itself to explain another

important spiritual truth.......you had written chanting japams becomes just

another habit like brushing teeth or smoking......no problem even in this case,

even if the reciter cannot get that " spiritual high " by such routines.....A

chain smoker does not get a high with a single puff of smoke, yet the truth is

that the nicotine is silently eating into the person's system! Similarly,

though a regular reciter of japams will not get that " high " after the japam, the

effects will be slowly eating into the bad karmas and destroying it. Chanting

the japams is a positive habit.

 

But, such habits alone can never give one perfect siddhi of a high level. You

have written you want to see manifest results; if you want to see manifest

results and to solve the problems of others with confidence, you have to become

a mantrik expert or a devotee of a high order. It is possible only by devoting

time and effort towards that end.

 

Your intentions are noble; but somehow I feel you are lacking subtlety that is

most essential for mantra shaastra. I am not saying this to criticise you; but

it is a honest appraisal from my side. You are speaking more like a social

reformer and an NGO. In mantra shaastra, the first rule is accept realities of

nature; understand the complexities of nature and existence; then identify the

keys to transform the baser elements into higher ones......This is how miracles

are rendered possible. It is a smooth process but it takes time.

 

If you want to say I chanted this mantra 100 times and I should see the result

being manifested, I can say without doubt that the possibility of your failing

are nearly 100% Attachment to results has been the bane of many mantrik

experts. Give more importance to the methods and system; the results will

follow automatically. Definitely this is possible even in today's world.

 

Incidentally, I have myself dealt with countless cases where people (all from

North India - and to be more specific - Punjab the headquarters of Lal Kitab

system!) have failed to get desirable results from Lal Kitaab remedies suggested

by some of the biggest names in the field, and I could solve them by simple

vedic remedies. I am not saying this system is good or that system is

good.....I know both the systems and know which remedy will suit which

person......That is the best approach in my opinion. The astrologer should be

encyclopedic in knowledge and then must be able to offer remedies to suit the

querent. (By the way, I can suggest Quaranic remedies " Duas " for muslim clients

and many have benefited by that also! So, you can understand that though my base

is vedic tradition and mantra shaastra, I am eclectic in my suggestions as I try

to suggest things that will be compatible to the faith and convenience of the

querents). If an ordinary astrologer of my level can

do this, you must understand how much more a

" real mantra shaastra expert " can do! There is actually no difference between

remedial procedures at all; the differences are all outward and superficial.

Once you know all those systems in depth, there is an underlying string of

commonality in principles.

 

Trying to achieve that exalted levels is worth it in every way. Even if we

fail, it is a dignified failure! It is better to try for the sky and reach the

tree top, and then consider ourselves as failures rather than trying to jump

over an one-foot stool and then claiming that we have really succeeded. Is it

not?

 

Blessed be.

Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

" S.C. Kursija " <sckursija wrote:

Respected Pandit ji,

Again thanks for immediate response.

I feel I have not been able to explain the

proposition.I feel in spite of doing japam regularly

at a particular time with full faith and belief, but

one still does not feel light or enthusiasm, what we

should say. In Delhi, there is a flat system or rented

house with limited space. So no purity can be

maintained.Noaarti, flowers or other shado-upchar or

punch-upchar can be maintained. Only manasik pujan can

be performed at the time of rising or going to bed.

After some month it appears a routine as we clean our

teeth or clean our shave before going to office.If a

teacher teaches his class, and some of the students

get pass other get failed, it does not affect the

teacher. It is his routine to vomit out what he knows.

Whether his students pick up his teaching or not. It

is his routine.Similarly japam become his habit, his

routine, whether it bears any fruit or not. If he

introspects and put a question to himself that why

should I do japam routinely.Spend one hour or so

regularly? It is our snaskar only or habit only that

we can not do without it as a smoker or alcoholic. I

believe in results. If we do not strike on head of the

nail, there will be no result, beating about the bush,

bears no fruit. Peoples come to us to have power to

bear the burning of the problem of family or business

or marital discord and we have no remedy which strike

on the head of the nail. No remedy like medicine as we

can say go and take such and such medicine and your

cough will be relieved. I feel thaqt is why remedies

from Lala Kitab are getting prominence in North India.

I seek apology if any harsh word has been used.

With regars.

--- " Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI "

wrote:

 

> Dear Dr. Kursija:

>

> Nothing can be for certain in life....In fact, I

> believe nothing is impossible......But, it is all a

> matter of prioritisation........There are simple

> mantras that will give benefit to everyone......so,

> anybody can be a mantra shastraic practitioner

> without any restrictions; but, if you are asking

> " Can I become an expert without undergoing rigorous

> disciplines? " ........The answer will be " No.....It

> is not possible; with time, you may attain some

> powers if you can be consistent in spending at least

> sometime every day regularly over many

> years......but siddhis of a Higher level are

> definitely not easily obtained. "

>

> I have personal experience of handling persons

> who have had residual siddhis due to previous

> saadhanaas and have thought that the power will be

> with them constantly, but they have lost in due

> course because they have not done anything in this

> life. My own father was an expert in " Kshetra

> Ganitham " , and could tell logarithmic values just

> like that when he was just 3 years old without any

> training or education whatsoever! But, as he grew

> up, his ability in mathematics is still there, but

> he is nowhere near the prodigious powers he

> displayed as a child. This is one example of

> residual powers in an individual; even this is a

> result of previous life saadhanaas or siddhis. They

> get burnt out easily with time if they are not

> renewed. Of couse, a person with a large quantum of

> residual siddhis may spend a full lifetime enjoying

> automated siddhis, but he is doing a disservice to

> himself by not renewing those powers.

>

> On a different note, let me tell one

> thing......These siddhis usually seek spiritual

> aspirants with a good attitude automatically; Rishis

> never sought after siddhis. They sought after

> enlightenment. Vaak siddhi was rather a by-product

> in their progress. Those who " seek " siddhis

> voluntarily should indeed be willing to spend time

> and energy.

>

> I believe no body is busy enough to say that " I

> have no time for siddhis " . If I - a person handling

> thousands of mails and requests per day can spend

> time on japams, I do now know why others will not

> have time (I do not claim I possess any power, but I

> just do my rituals as a part of my Duty as a Vedic

> Brahmin!) It is all a matter or prioritisation in

> my opinion.

>

> Blessed be.

> Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

> " S.C. Kursija " wrote:

> Respected Pandit ji,

> Thanks for the response.Does it mean that a person

> like me living in city like Delhi and leading a busy

> life can not acquire these gifts of Rishees.

> With regards.

> --- " Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI "

> wrote:

>

> > Dear Dr.Kursija:

> >

> > if one wants to be a champion sportsman, he has to

> > train hard - of course there may be different

> > training

> > techniques and there may be " difference of

> opinion "

> > as

> > to the best training routines....yet, a person

> > trying

> > to become a champion should select some routine

> and

> > train is it not? Then, he/she has to select a good

> > coach to guide during the training, and later

> sweat

> > it

> > out by running miles, lifting pound after pound,

> > regulating every routine of life according to set

> > principles of work-out, recovery and rest under

> > careful guidance of a good coach.....And then a

> > person

> > becomes a champion, or many even drop out in the

> > middle.

> >

> >

> > There is no short-cut to reaching the highest

> levels

> > of any field; mantra shastra is no exception.

> >

> > I think I have answered you - though indirectly.

> >

> > Blessed be.

> > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

> >

> >

> >

> > --- sckursija wrote:

> >

> > > Respected Sh.Dakshna Moorty ji,

> > > Pranam,

> > > Will you spare some time to advise about me what

> > is

> > > Vaak siddhi and

> > > how it can be attained for a man like me?

> > > Any book on remedies with simple rules to apply,

> > as

> > > in classic Mantra

> > > Shastra selection of mantra accrding to

> individual

> > > in not easy. I have

> > > Mantra Mahodadhi, and other books from

> > > Allahabad,Dasa vidya etc with

> > > mantra from one word to 28 or more words. Which

> > one

> > > is to select is a

> > > hard nut to crack.There is difference of opinion

> > > also on mantra

> > > composition. Please guide.

> > > With regards and respect.

> > > vedic astrology ,

> > > " dakshinastrologer "

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri. Dheeraj:

> > > >

> > > > First things first.....Please do not type a

> mail

> > > in all caps....In

> > > > netiquette it is considered as shouting.....

> > > >

> > > > Regarding remedies, an astrologer who analyzes

> > the

> > > horoscope but does

> > > > not provide remedies is like a physician who

> > > refuses to give

> > > > medicines but will only analyze what ailments

> > have

> > > struck the patient.

> > > >

> > > > Remedies suggested without mercenary

> intentions

> > > with the pure

> > > > intention of helping the seeker really work

> > > miraculously. There are

> > > > times when the effects border on paranormal or

> > > supernatural.

> > > >

> > > > Suggesting remedies requires practical

> > application

> > > of principles and

> > > > the really qualified and experienced

> astrologers

> > > do take liberties

> > > > while suggesting remedies - like they may

> > > interpret the situation

> > > > broadly and like lawyers filing petitions,

> they

> > > may suggest modified

> > > > remedies. For instance, if Raahu is afflicted

> > the

> > > general remedy

> > > > will be Naaga pratishta, or visit to Shri

> > > Kaalahasti or Shri

> > > > Naageshwaram temple in Tanjore district. But,

> > an

> > > intelligent

> > > > astrologer who knows the planetary

> dispositions

> > > and indications

> > > > concerning everything can suggest a simpler

> > remedy

> > > for a person who

> > > > cannot make these trips (supposing the native

> is

> > > abroad....) Worship

> > > > of Goddess Durga is suggested; of course there

> > is

> > > Dasa Mahaa Vidyaa

> > > > based remedy; Worshipping Lord Hanumaan's tail

> > is

> > > another remedy.

> > > > Getting the blessings of Maternal grandmother

> is

> > > another remedy!

> > > > Gems can be suggested. Offering Vadamaala to

> > > Hanumaan can be

> > > > suggested. Gifting of Gems can be suggested.

> > > Offering Kaamadhenu

> > > > pooja can be suggested.....The list is almost

> > > endless!

> > > >

> > > > The astrologer should use intelligence,

> > intuition,

> > > and practical

> > > > application of astrological principles

> > considering

> > > the horoscopic

> > > > factors involved.

> > > >

> > > > Though it seems to be complicated, in reality

> it

> > > is not so. It seems

> > > > complicated when I try to explain it.

> > > >

> > > > The bottom line is...remedies work well if the

> > > person who suggests it

> > > > has some Vaak siddhi (the astrologer should

> deem

> > > it a duty to do

> > > > regular japas for this purpose), the client/

> > > questioner should have

> > > > unassailable faith (without faith the whole

> > > purpose of astrological

> > > > consultation is null!), and the remedies

> should

> > be

> > > timed by the

> > > > astrologer intelligently. For instance,

> yantras

> > > work best ONLY if

> > > > the questioner is having auspicious Jupiter

> > > transits with respect to

> > > > natal Moon. Otherwise, energization of the

> > yantra

> > > has to be very

> > > > intense to give results. There are set

> > conditions

> > > like that. If all

> > > > these are taken into account, remedies do give

> > > miraculous results.

> > > >

> > > > DEFINITELY THEY ARE NOT MERE PLACEBOS!

> > (Sometimes,

> > > when nothing is

> > > > going to work, placebos are offered. That is,

> > the

> > > remedy may not

> > > > give a direct impact on the situation because

> it

> > > is beyond our hands;

> > > > even in those cases, the simple prayers

> > suggested

> > > are not a waste of

> > > > time or resources as they are going to alter

> the

> > > karmic balance

> > > > sheet).

> > > >

> > > > Time and again, my experience has shown that

> > > remedies have almost

> > > > altered Fatalistic elements. Of course, as I

> > work

> > > at a level where

> > > > people approach me as the last stop or last

> > > recourse, there have been

> > > > failures too!

> > > >

> > > > I might have written before, but I will write

> it

> > > again....Remedies

> > > > are like filing clemency petition....It is up

> to

> > > the President

> > > > (Almighty) to see if it can be offered. The

> > > astrologer is like the

> > > > defense lawyer and a good and ethical

> God-loving

> > > astrologer can

> > > > indeed represent his client's case

> intelligently

> > > and forcefully to

> > > > Divinities and Planets. If the client

> > cooperates

> > > by good behaviour

> > > > and attitudes, the chances of the petition

> being

> > > granted are high.

> > > > But, if the client jumps bail (does something

> > that

> > > is not supposed to

> > > > be done during the deeksha in this case - may

> it

> > > be eating things

> > > > that are prohibited, indulging in unethical

> acts

> > > that the astrologer

> > > > has specifically asked to avoid, or refusing

> to

> > do

> > > a part of the

> > > > remedy thinking that it is too insignificant,

> > > etc.), the lawyer (here

> > > > the astrologer) is helpless. The Judge/

> > President

> > > (God or other

> > > > Divine Entities) are impartial, and their

> final

> > > judgement will be

> > > > correct no matter whether it is in our favour

> or

> > > not!

> > > >

> > > > This is the attitude and mentality with which

> I

> > > approach remedies.

> > > >

> > > > Blessed be.

> > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology ,

> dheeraj

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> > > > > NAMASKAR RESPECTED PANDITS AND MEMBERS,

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Dear Panditji,

 

Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience.

 

I have been very closely following your posts and replies in this group for the

past one year and have had the getting a deeper understanding on the subjects

discussed.

 

I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the right way to chant a

mantra. I understand that all the mantras have been locked by the creators just

like a software being locked in a way that it can be used only by the user

knowing the key. That is to say that every mantra has a key and unless the

person chanting the mantra uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am

told that even the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only

with the use of the appropriate key.

 

How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of your stature.

 

I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of the right usage of

the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and help humanity regain the lost

science of using the vibrational science for the benefit of mankind.

 

Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my humble and earnest

prayer enlighten me.

 

Your humble admirer,

 

Nagaajan.C

 

 

 

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Dear Shri. Chidambaram:

 

Powerful mantras usually have a Utkeelana mantra or saapa nivaarana

mantra to get them activated and to remove the curses associated with

them.

 

In fact the Great Gayathri mantra has 3 curses - Brahma saapa,

Vasishta saapa, and Viswaamitra saapa. This was because anyone

chanting the Gaayatri mantra can attain great siddhis, and such power

in the hands of persons with wrong attitudes can be disastrous to the

more pacific living entities including " gods and demi-gods " . Thus,

anyone chanting the Gaayathri mantra without saapa vimochana mantra

will actually not experience its full wonders. And those who chant

it without initiation will actually experience many obstacles and

dangers! It is stated in Viswamitra Samhita - Gaayathri paddati.

 

" Saapa yuktaatu Gaayathri Chartur Varga phalaandakaa

Saapa muktaatu Gaayathri chatur varga phalpradaa "

 

Means Gaayathri with Saapa (i.e without removal of curse) will cause

destruction of 4 fold attainments of life (Dharma - Righteous living,

Artha - righteous earning of money, Kaama - righteous enjoyment of

luxuries and pleasures, mokshaa - ultimate liberation), whereas

Gaayathri relieved of the curses will cause gain of the 4 fold

attainments.

 

This injunction does not apply to those who do Gaayathri after

upanayanam where the relevant mantras of activation are anyhow

chanted. Even for these persons, the higher siddhis of the Gayathri

mantra are locked if they chant the Gayathri without saapa nivaarana

mantra.

 

Again, when mantraas are chanted, we should offer respects to the

Rishis (mantra drushtaas - seers of the mantra who first identified

the mantra with their yogic vision); during the deeksha, naandi homam

is to be done to honour one's ancestors - When a person is about to

set foot in the path of spirituality, all his ancestors are happy and

will congregate in that place of deeksha earnestly. So, they should

be honoured auspiciously and their blessings should be sought. Then

one should make " Japa prathignyaa " means declaration that this is the

purpose of the deekshaa and I will definitely be regular in my

chantings and will use my power only for good purposes. Slipping in

this promise after getting siddhis has been the nemesis of many

mantra shaastra experts.

 

Usually one should select one particular Deity (whatever it is)

either according to one's family customs or using astrological

methods to check Ishta/ phalana devataas, or by using one's own

intuition and natural predisposition to pray to a particular Deity.

The upaasanaa of that deity should be done after getting proper

deekshaa which will ensure speedy perfection.

 

For an accomplished practitioner, it will be hardly a matter of half

an hour of preliminary mantrik routines, and then they can

concentrate on mantra japam as per their time availability and

convenience. During emergencies these procedures can be shortened.

 

But,it is better to have a utkeelanam or saapa nivaaranam or kavacha

upadesham (most advanced mantras require kavacha recital before

chanting of moola mantraas) initiated at least once before one

proceeds with endless repetitions of mantras. If it could not be

done in the initial stages, at least when one reaches significant

land marks like 1 lakh japams, 24 lakh japams, or 1 crore japam

counts, they may have these special elements initiated which will

immediately unlock the stored potential of all the japams give

intense mystic experiences. Detailed procedures like yoginii

nyaasam, aksharaa nyaasam (meditating on different aksharaas in

different parts of the body as per traditions), etc. are also done

during deeksha which helps the body to resonate well with the mantra

being chanted.Advanced spiritual Gurus are capable of giving such an

experience by direct transfer of their power to the sishyaa. In such

a case, utkeelanam, kavacham, saapa nivaaranam, etc. are not

necessary at all!

 

For most common mantras, the use of anga nyaasam, kara nyaasam, and

dig bandanam is enough; these procedures will be automatically given

in most standard works.

 

Blessed be.

Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

vedic astrology , nagarajan chidambaram

<ngrjn_chidambaram wrote:

>

> Dear Panditji,

>

> Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience.

>

> I have been very closely following your posts and replies in this

group for the past one year and have had the getting a deeper

understanding on the subjects discussed.

>

> I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the right

way to chant a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have been

locked by the creators just like a software being locked in a way

that it can be used only by the user knowing the key. That is to say

that every mantra has a key and unless the person chanting the mantra

uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am told that even

the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only with

the use of the appropriate key.

>

> How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of your

stature.

>

> I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of the

right usage of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and help

humanity regain the lost science of using the vibrational science for

the benefit of mankind.

>

> Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my humble

and earnest prayer enlighten me.

>

> Your humble admirer,

>

> Nagaajan.C

>

>

>

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Pranam Panditji,

 

So according to you the avarage person like me chant the gayatri

chalisa or gaytri mantra in the morning and evening doesn't do

anything ? Is harm u more than benifit is there right? plz guide me

 

Pranam

rp

 

 

-- In vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer "

<dakshinastrologer wrote:

>

> Dear Shri. Chidambaram:

>

> Powerful mantras usually have a Utkeelana mantra or saapa nivaarana

> mantra to get them activated and to remove the curses associated

with

> them.

>

> In fact the Great Gayathri mantra has 3 curses - Brahma saapa,

> Vasishta saapa, and Viswaamitra saapa. This was because anyone

> chanting the Gaayatri mantra can attain great siddhis, and such

power

> in the hands of persons with wrong attitudes can be disastrous to

the

> more pacific living entities including " gods and demi-gods " . Thus,

> anyone chanting the Gaayathri mantra without saapa vimochana mantra

> will actually not experience its full wonders. And those who chant

> it without initiation will actually experience many obstacles and

> dangers! It is stated in Viswamitra Samhita - Gaayathri paddati.

>

> " Saapa yuktaatu Gaayathri Chartur Varga phalaandakaa

> Saapa muktaatu Gaayathri chatur varga phalpradaa "

>

> Means Gaayathri with Saapa (i.e without removal of curse) will

cause

> destruction of 4 fold attainments of life (Dharma - Righteous

living,

> Artha - righteous earning of money, Kaama - righteous enjoyment of

> luxuries and pleasures, mokshaa - ultimate liberation), whereas

> Gaayathri relieved of the curses will cause gain of the 4 fold

> attainments.

>

> This injunction does not apply to those who do Gaayathri after

> upanayanam where the relevant mantras of activation are anyhow

> chanted. Even for these persons, the higher siddhis of the

Gayathri

> mantra are locked if they chant the Gayathri without saapa

nivaarana

> mantra.

>

> Again, when mantraas are chanted, we should offer respects to the

> Rishis (mantra drushtaas - seers of the mantra who first identified

> the mantra with their yogic vision); during the deeksha, naandi

homam

> is to be done to honour one's ancestors - When a person is about to

> set foot in the path of spirituality, all his ancestors are happy

and

> will congregate in that place of deeksha earnestly. So, they

should

> be honoured auspiciously and their blessings should be sought.

Then

> one should make " Japa prathignyaa " means declaration that this is

the

> purpose of the deekshaa and I will definitely be regular in my

> chantings and will use my power only for good purposes. Slipping

in

> this promise after getting siddhis has been the nemesis of many

> mantra shaastra experts.

>

> Usually one should select one particular Deity (whatever it is)

> either according to one's family customs or using astrological

> methods to check Ishta/ phalana devataas, or by using one's own

> intuition and natural predisposition to pray to a particular

Deity.

> The upaasanaa of that deity should be done after getting proper

> deekshaa which will ensure speedy perfection.

>

> For an accomplished practitioner, it will be hardly a matter of

half

> an hour of preliminary mantrik routines, and then they can

> concentrate on mantra japam as per their time availability and

> convenience. During emergencies these procedures can be shortened.

>

> But,it is better to have a utkeelanam or saapa nivaaranam or

kavacha

> upadesham (most advanced mantras require kavacha recital before

> chanting of moola mantraas) initiated at least once before one

> proceeds with endless repetitions of mantras. If it could not be

> done in the initial stages, at least when one reaches significant

> land marks like 1 lakh japams, 24 lakh japams, or 1 crore japam

> counts, they may have these special elements initiated which will

> immediately unlock the stored potential of all the japams give

> intense mystic experiences. Detailed procedures like yoginii

> nyaasam, aksharaa nyaasam (meditating on different aksharaas in

> different parts of the body as per traditions), etc. are also done

> during deeksha which helps the body to resonate well with the

mantra

> being chanted.Advanced spiritual Gurus are capable of giving such

an

> experience by direct transfer of their power to the sishyaa. In

such

> a case, utkeelanam, kavacham, saapa nivaaranam, etc. are not

> necessary at all!

>

> For most common mantras, the use of anga nyaasam, kara nyaasam, and

> dig bandanam is enough; these procedures will be automatically

given

> in most standard works.

>

> Blessed be.

> Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

> vedic astrology , nagarajan chidambaram

> <ngrjn_chidambaram@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Panditji,

> >

> > Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience.

> >

> > I have been very closely following your posts and replies in this

> group for the past one year and have had the getting a deeper

> understanding on the subjects discussed.

> >

> > I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the right

> way to chant a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have been

> locked by the creators just like a software being locked in a way

> that it can be used only by the user knowing the key. That is to

say

> that every mantra has a key and unless the person chanting the

mantra

> uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am told that

even

> the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only with

> the use of the appropriate key.

> >

> > How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of your

> stature.

> >

> > I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of the

> right usage of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and

help

> humanity regain the lost science of using the vibrational science

for

> the benefit of mankind.

> >

> > Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my

humble

> and earnest prayer enlighten me.

> >

> > Your humble admirer,

> >

> > Nagaajan.C

> >

> >

> >

> > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click

> here

> >

> >

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Dear Member:

 

If you have taken initiation (may be from Aarya samaj or from any

other competent person), definitely you will get some benefits. but,

not to the full potential of the mantra which is beyond words to

describe.

 

There is one way inwhich Gayathri mantra can be unlocked

fully.....Chanting Shiva Panchaakshari many times (In fact this was

how Sage Viswamitra got that!).

 

Gayathri chaalisa is a devotional sthothra and definitely has its

value. It is definitely productive of fruits. There is no saapa on

that!

 

Again there is Gayathri sthothra revealed by Sage Narada which is

auspicious as a chant during bath. It has no restrictions.

 

The original gayathri - if it is just being chanted after reading

from a book or other sources without any intiation whatsoever, MIGHT

actually be harmful. If you have got initiation rites done, and are

not chanting the saapa vimochana regularly, it is not productive of

full results.

 

Blessed be.

Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.vedic-

astrology , " RICK " <rdrugist wrote:

>

> Pranam Panditji,

>

> So according to you the avarage person like me chant the gayatri

> chalisa or gaytri mantra in the morning and evening doesn't do

> anything ? Is harm u more than benifit is there right? plz guide me

>

> Pranam

> rp

>

>

> -- In vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer "

> <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri. Chidambaram:

> >

> > Powerful mantras usually have a Utkeelana mantra or saapa

nivaarana

> > mantra to get them activated and to remove the curses associated

> with

> > them.

> >

> > In fact the Great Gayathri mantra has 3 curses - Brahma saapa,

> > Vasishta saapa, and Viswaamitra saapa. This was because anyone

> > chanting the Gaayatri mantra can attain great siddhis, and such

> power

> > in the hands of persons with wrong attitudes can be disastrous to

> the

> > more pacific living entities including " gods and demi-gods " .

Thus,

> > anyone chanting the Gaayathri mantra without saapa vimochana

mantra

> > will actually not experience its full wonders. And those who

chant

> > it without initiation will actually experience many obstacles and

> > dangers! It is stated in Viswamitra Samhita - Gaayathri paddati.

> >

> > " Saapa yuktaatu Gaayathri Chartur Varga phalaandakaa

> > Saapa muktaatu Gaayathri chatur varga phalpradaa "

> >

> > Means Gaayathri with Saapa (i.e without removal of curse) will

> cause

> > destruction of 4 fold attainments of life (Dharma - Righteous

> living,

> > Artha - righteous earning of money, Kaama - righteous enjoyment

of

> > luxuries and pleasures, mokshaa - ultimate liberation), whereas

> > Gaayathri relieved of the curses will cause gain of the 4 fold

> > attainments.

> >

> > This injunction does not apply to those who do Gaayathri after

> > upanayanam where the relevant mantras of activation are anyhow

> > chanted. Even for these persons, the higher siddhis of the

> Gayathri

> > mantra are locked if they chant the Gayathri without saapa

> nivaarana

> > mantra.

> >

> > Again, when mantraas are chanted, we should offer respects to the

> > Rishis (mantra drushtaas - seers of the mantra who first

identified

> > the mantra with their yogic vision); during the deeksha, naandi

> homam

> > is to be done to honour one's ancestors - When a person is about

to

> > set foot in the path of spirituality, all his ancestors are happy

> and

> > will congregate in that place of deeksha earnestly. So, they

> should

> > be honoured auspiciously and their blessings should be sought.

> Then

> > one should make " Japa prathignyaa " means declaration that this is

> the

> > purpose of the deekshaa and I will definitely be regular in my

> > chantings and will use my power only for good purposes. Slipping

> in

> > this promise after getting siddhis has been the nemesis of many

> > mantra shaastra experts.

> >

> > Usually one should select one particular Deity (whatever it is)

> > either according to one's family customs or using astrological

> > methods to check Ishta/ phalana devataas, or by using one's own

> > intuition and natural predisposition to pray to a particular

> Deity.

> > The upaasanaa of that deity should be done after getting proper

> > deekshaa which will ensure speedy perfection.

> >

> > For an accomplished practitioner, it will be hardly a matter of

> half

> > an hour of preliminary mantrik routines, and then they can

> > concentrate on mantra japam as per their time availability and

> > convenience. During emergencies these procedures can be

shortened.

> >

> > But,it is better to have a utkeelanam or saapa nivaaranam or

> kavacha

> > upadesham (most advanced mantras require kavacha recital before

> > chanting of moola mantraas) initiated at least once before one

> > proceeds with endless repetitions of mantras. If it could not be

> > done in the initial stages, at least when one reaches significant

> > land marks like 1 lakh japams, 24 lakh japams, or 1 crore japam

> > counts, they may have these special elements initiated which will

> > immediately unlock the stored potential of all the japams give

> > intense mystic experiences. Detailed procedures like yoginii

> > nyaasam, aksharaa nyaasam (meditating on different aksharaas in

> > different parts of the body as per traditions), etc. are also

done

> > during deeksha which helps the body to resonate well with the

> mantra

> > being chanted.Advanced spiritual Gurus are capable of giving such

> an

> > experience by direct transfer of their power to the sishyaa. In

> such

> > a case, utkeelanam, kavacham, saapa nivaaranam, etc. are not

> > necessary at all!

> >

> > For most common mantras, the use of anga nyaasam, kara nyaasam,

and

> > dig bandanam is enough; these procedures will be automatically

> given

> > in most standard works.

> >

> > Blessed be.

> > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> >

> > vedic astrology , nagarajan chidambaram

> > <ngrjn_chidambaram@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Panditji,

> > >

> > > Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience.

> > >

> > > I have been very closely following your posts and replies in

this

> > group for the past one year and have had the getting a deeper

> > understanding on the subjects discussed.

> > >

> > > I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the

right

> > way to chant a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have

been

> > locked by the creators just like a software being locked in a way

> > that it can be used only by the user knowing the key. That is to

> say

> > that every mantra has a key and unless the person chanting the

> mantra

> > uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am told that

> even

> > the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only

with

> > the use of the appropriate key.

> > >

> > > How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of

your

> > stature.

> > >

> > > I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of

the

> > right usage of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and

> help

> > humanity regain the lost science of using the vibrational science

> for

> > the benefit of mankind.

> > >

> > > Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my

> humble

> > and earnest prayer enlighten me.

> > >

> > > Your humble admirer,

> > >

> > > Nagaajan.C

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Shri.Nagarajan,

 

You may be correct, because I was also told about " Beeja " mantra[key] and

" Maala " mantra[in pries of Devathaa worshiped].Mere search may indicate

ones " Rasibalaa " desires to possess them but the actual attainment depends on

ones " Amsabhalaa " .

Those who have mantra siddhi baaghiyaa / Muni yOga, may get it at the

appropriate opportunity [it would descend on them].Others go behind mendacious

persons and fall a pray to their ichchaa [i know few people who have gone mad,

lost all their fortunes after going behind mendicants].

“ALL THAT GLITTERS IS NOT GOLD”- an adage (Elders’ voice)

 

With regards,

D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.

P.S:Please remember that how did Sree Seshdriswamigal,Ramana of

Arunaachaleswaram got it.

 

nagarajan chidambaram <ngrjn_chidambaram wrote:

Dear Panditji,

 

Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience.

 

I have been very closely following your posts and replies in this group for the

past one year and have had the getting a deeper understanding on the subjects

discussed.

 

I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the right way to chant

a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have been locked by the creators

just like a software being locked in a way that it can be used only by the user

knowing the key. That is to say that every mantra has a key and unless the

person chanting the mantra uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am

told that even the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only

with the use of the appropriate key.

 

How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of your stature.

 

I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of the right usage of

the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and help humanity regain the lost

science of using the vibrational science for the benefit of mankind.

 

Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my humble and earnest

prayer enlighten me.

 

Your humble admirer,

 

Nagaajan.C

 

 

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Namaste,

 

" Natta callai dheyvamenRu NAncu pushpam chARRiyE , chuRRi vaNdhu munumunuckum

chollum maNthiram EthutA;Natta callum pechumO , chutta chatti caRi chuvai

aRiyumO ,NAthan uL iruckaiyil " .

 

The above is Muni vaakiya meaning ‘external mantra hymns shall not pay any

results with out introspection – while SIVA resides IN every SOUL’..

 

 

Sathiyanarayana Gupta <gupta816 wrote:

Dear Shri.Nagarajan,

 

You may be correct, because I was also told about " Beeja " mantra[key] and

" Maala " mantra[in pries of Devathaa worshiped].Mere search may indicate

ones " Rasibalaa " desires to possess them but the actual attainment depends on

ones " Amsabhalaa " .

Those who have mantra siddhi baaghiyaa / Muni yOga, may get it at the

appropriate opportunity [it would descend on them].Others go behind mendacious

persons and fall a pray to their ichchaa [i know few people who have gone mad,

lost all their fortunes after going behind mendicants].

“ALL THAT GLITTERS IS NOT GOLD”- an adage (Elders’ voice)

 

With regards,

D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.

P.S:Please remember that how did Sree Seshdriswamigal,Ramana of

Arunaachaleswaram got it.

 

nagarajan chidambaram <ngrjn_chidambaram wrote:

Dear Panditji,

 

Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience.

 

I have been very closely following your posts and replies in this group for

the past one year and have had the getting a deeper understanding on the

subjects discussed.

 

I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the right way to chant

a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have been locked by the creators

just like a software being locked in a way that it can be used only by the user

knowing the key. That is to say that every mantra has a key and unless the

person chanting the mantra uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am

told that even the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only

with the use of the appropriate key.

 

How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of your stature.

 

I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of the right usage

of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and help humanity regain the

lost science of using the vibrational science for the benefit of mankind.

 

Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my humble and

earnest prayer enlighten me.

 

Your humble admirer,

 

Nagaajan.C

 

 

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Dear Shri. Pandit Dakshinamoorthi,

 

Vanakkam, Please accept my sincere respects.

As a learner, many of your posts are highly educative & your

articulation & writing style is greatly admired.

 

sir, your below mail on gayatri has confused me & therefore am writing

to you. i was planning to resume chanting this mantra shortly ( again

mainly prompted by the mails in the group)

 

As a hindu non-brahmin, not acquainted with tradition & initiation

rituals, what can a average person chant.

i have even read ( not sure where) that un-initiated persons chant

gayatri by not chanting OM in the beginning of the mantra

 

My request & query is to clarify how one can chant Gayatri without the

adverse effects.

 

Kindly write in leisure & help us all as much details time permits you.

even suggestions of books to read, place to get initiation

in bangalore will help, my wife can read tamil, so pls. suggest

accordingly

 

i have a different query on murugan yantra which i shall request

separately

am a noh brahmin hindu, vegetarian since 1.5 years, non smoker & do not

use liquor.

 

Sincerely,

with best wishes & pranaams,

 

Manju

 

PS : for the group going-on's .. last night i remembered a statement

in tamil, am writing a rough translation, its a general statment & not

specific to anybody.

 

" Those who believe you... No explanation is needed. Those who do not

believe you, No explanation can suffice "

 

 

________________________________

 

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology ] On Behalf Of dakshinastrologer

Monday, August 06, 2007 10:25 PM

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[vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE , OBSERVED

AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER

 

 

 

Dear Shri. Chidambaram:

 

Powerful mantras usually have a Utkeelana mantra or saapa nivaarana

mantra to get them activated and to remove the curses associated with

them.

 

In fact the Great Gayathri mantra has 3 curses - Brahma saapa,

Vasishta saapa, and Viswaamitra saapa. This was because anyone

chanting the Gaayatri mantra can attain great siddhis, and such power

in the hands of persons with wrong attitudes can be disastrous to the

more pacific living entities including " gods and demi-gods " . Thus,

anyone chanting the Gaayathri mantra without saapa vimochana mantra

will actually not experience its full wonders. And those who chant

it without initiation will actually experience many obstacles and

dangers! It is stated in Viswamitra Samhita - Gaayathri paddati.

 

" Saapa yuktaatu Gaayathri Chartur Varga phalaandakaa

Saapa muktaatu Gaayathri chatur varga phalpradaa "

 

Means Gaayathri with Saapa (i.e without removal of curse) will cause

destruction of 4 fold attainments of life (Dharma - Righteous living,

Artha - righteous earning of money, Kaama - righteous enjoyment of

luxuries and pleasures, mokshaa - ultimate liberation), whereas

Gaayathri relieved of the curses will cause gain of the 4 fold

attainments.

 

This injunction does not apply to those who do Gaayathri after

upanayanam where the relevant mantras of activation are anyhow

chanted. Even for these persons, the higher siddhis of the Gayathri

mantra are locked if they chant the Gayathri without saapa nivaarana

mantra.

 

Again, when mantraas are chanted, we should offer respects to the

Rishis (mantra drushtaas - seers of the mantra who first identified

the mantra with their yogic vision); during the deeksha, naandi homam

is to be done to honour one's ancestors - When a person is about to

set foot in the path of spirituality, all his ancestors are happy and

will congregate in that place of deeksha earnestly. So, they should

be honoured auspiciously and their blessings should be sought. Then

one should make " Japa prathignyaa " means declaration that this is the

purpose of the deekshaa and I will definitely be regular in my

chantings and will use my power only for good purposes. Slipping in

this promise after getting siddhis has been the nemesis of many

mantra shaastra experts.

 

Usually one should select one particular Deity (whatever it is)

either according to one's family customs or using astrological

methods to check Ishta/ phalana devataas, or by using one's own

intuition and natural predisposition to pray to a particular Deity.

The upaasanaa of that deity should be done after getting proper

deekshaa which will ensure speedy perfection.

 

For an accomplished practitioner, it will be hardly a matter of half

an hour of preliminary mantrik routines, and then they can

concentrate on mantra japam as per their time availability and

convenience. During emergencies these procedures can be shortened.

 

But,it is better to have a utkeelanam or saapa nivaaranam or kavacha

upadesham (most advanced mantras require kavacha recital before

chanting of moola mantraas) initiated at least once before one

proceeds with endless repetitions of mantras. If it could not be

done in the initial stages, at least when one reaches significant

land marks like 1 lakh japams, 24 lakh japams, or 1 crore japam

counts, they may have these special elements initiated which will

immediately unlock the stored potential of all the japams give

intense mystic experiences. Detailed procedures like yoginii

nyaasam, aksharaa nyaasam (meditating on different aksharaas in

different parts of the body as per traditions), etc. are also done

during deeksha which helps the body to resonate well with the mantra

being chanted.Advanced spiritual Gurus are capable of giving such an

experience by direct transfer of their power to the sishyaa. In such

a case, utkeelanam, kavacham, saapa nivaaranam, etc. are not

necessary at all!

 

For most common mantras, the use of anga nyaasam, kara nyaasam, and

dig bandanam is enough; these procedures will be automatically given

in most standard works.

 

Blessed be.

Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

vedic astrology

<vedic astrology%40> , nagarajan chidambaram

<ngrjn_chidambaram wrote:

>

> Dear Panditji,

>

> Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience.

>

> I have been very closely following your posts and replies in this

group for the past one year and have had the getting a deeper

understanding on the subjects discussed.

>

> I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the right

way to chant a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have been

locked by the creators just like a software being locked in a way

that it can be used only by the user knowing the key. That is to say

that every mantra has a key and unless the person chanting the mantra

uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am told that even

the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only with

the use of the appropriate key.

>

> How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of your

stature.

>

> I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of the

right usage of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and help

humanity regain the lost science of using the vibrational science for

the benefit of mankind.

>

> Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my humble

and earnest prayer enlighten me.

>

> Your humble admirer,

>

> Nagaajan.C

>

>

>

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Dear Shri. Manjunath:

 

The three curses to Gayathri mantra were given mainly to

prevent " Rakshasaic " elements from getting unbridled power. So, if

you are of a saatwik quality and you have got initiated into the

mantra from someone, kindly keep chanting it. Otherwise, tradition

says that it is better not to chant. I have no individual opinion

regarding this.

 

The best recourse for someone who wishes to avail Gayathri Grace is

to chant the Gayathri Sahasranaamam or Gayathri Sthothram (chaalisa

is of recent origin; in my opinion, except Hanumaan Chaalisaa

composed by Goswami Tulsi Das, the other chaalisaas have more of a

devotional value as they are modelled after the Hanumaan chaalisaa

and not too much of mantrik value).

 

Otherwise, chanting " Om Shri Gaayathryai veda maatre namah " is the

best way.

 

Please read through the earlier post....I have given different

options open before you.

 

There are some controversies like " Can a person chant Gayathri

without upanayanam, can women chant, " etc. which I studiously avoid

because my views will be based only on traditions which might not be

compatible with what you see today.

 

A policeman uses a baton to control a crowd, but if we do it, it is

considered manslaughter...is it not? A licensed person can drive

vehicles while a person without license should not drive even if he

is capable of driving! In the same way, deeksha samskaar or

upanayanam are like license procedures.....Saapa Nivaaranam is like

No-objection certificate or " fitness certificate " .....All these are

important....you cannot say, I found a vehicle and I drove

it....there is not need for license...nothing will happen, etc.

 

Even a license person can meet with accidents, in that case insurance

will cover the damages; but what will happen if an unlicensed person

drives vehicles and gets involved in an accident? A similar analogy

applies to mantras. Gayathri is a mahaa mantraa, and a powerful

one. But that does not imply anyone can chant it casually. If that

is so, why did the sages give elaborate procedures for upanayanam?

 

By the way, Gayathri is not restricted only to Brahmins....Even non-

Brahmins can chant Gayathri after upanayanam samskaar and getting

initiation.

 

For those who wish to chant Gaayathri mantra without upanayanam there

is a Gayathri beeja mantra (composed only of beejas and no words

except swaahaa). You can get that rare beeja mantra from competent

Gurus and chant it (I doubt if you can get a proper Guru who knows

this). So sticking to the Gayathri sthothram will be best for you.

 

Otherwise, go for the tantrik Gayathri

" Om Veda Maatre cha vidmahe Brahma Patnyai cha deemahii

Tanno Gaayathri prachodyaat "

 

Anybody can chant this without any restriction and without any fear

of curses or ritual violations.

 

May Veda Maata Gaayathri Bless everyone.

 

PS: Dear Group: I do not want Mr. Lalith or his admirers here

baiting me further with non-shastraic posts on this matter any

further. I am still posting here keeping aside my personal pain just

for the benefit of the group. What I have said is in consonance with

shaastras and on the explicity query addressed to me. Any person

with decency will avoid jutting in between. I am waiting for mr.

Lalith's ban yet! This is not vengeance...but the command of a vedic

Guru. Dharma shastra allows such actions. I have not hit him or

done anything to him. I seek his banishment from a domain where you

people wish me to be a Guru and guide the group. I am within my

previleges to demand this. Otherwise, it is demeaning to my position

as a Guru, and unless I am a Guru, I am not obliged to share my rare

knowledge here. (Mr. Lalith may think any 100 Rs. book will teach

these things; the truth is ...it is not possible. Many books barring

a few exceptions are poorly researched and they cannot be relied on

intricate dharma shastraic matters).

 

Blessed be.

Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

vedic astrology , " Manjunath, T (GE

Healthcare) " <T.Manjunath wrote:

>

> Dear Shri. Pandit Dakshinamoorthi,

>

> Vanakkam, Please accept my sincere respects.

> As a learner, many of your posts are highly educative & your

> articulation & writing style is greatly admired.

>

> sir, your below mail on gayatri has confused me & therefore am

writing

> to you. i was planning to resume chanting this mantra shortly (

again

> mainly prompted by the mails in the group)

>

> As a hindu non-brahmin, not acquainted with tradition & initiation

> rituals, what can a average person chant.

> i have even read ( not sure where) that un-initiated persons chant

> gayatri by not chanting OM in the beginning of the mantra

>

> My request & query is to clarify how one can chant Gayatri without

the

> adverse effects.

>

> Kindly write in leisure & help us all as much details time permits

you.

> even suggestions of books to read, place to get initiation

> in bangalore will help, my wife can read tamil, so pls. suggest

> accordingly

>

> i have a different query on murugan yantra which i shall request

> separately

> am a noh brahmin hindu, vegetarian since 1.5 years, non smoker & do

not

> use liquor.

>

> Sincerely,

> with best wishes & pranaams,

>

> Manju

>

> PS : for the group going-on's .. last night i remembered a

statement

> in tamil, am writing a rough translation, its a general statment &

not

> specific to anybody.

>

> " Those who believe you... No explanation is needed. Those who do

not

> believe you, No explanation can suffice "

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology ] On Behalf Of

dakshinastrologer

> Monday, August 06, 2007 10:25 PM

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE ,

OBSERVED

> AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER

>

>

>

> Dear Shri. Chidambaram:

>

> Powerful mantras usually have a Utkeelana mantra or saapa nivaarana

> mantra to get them activated and to remove the curses associated

with

> them.

>

> In fact the Great Gayathri mantra has 3 curses - Brahma saapa,

> Vasishta saapa, and Viswaamitra saapa. This was because anyone

> chanting the Gaayatri mantra can attain great siddhis, and such

power

> in the hands of persons with wrong attitudes can be disastrous to

the

> more pacific living entities including " gods and demi-gods " . Thus,

> anyone chanting the Gaayathri mantra without saapa vimochana mantra

> will actually not experience its full wonders. And those who chant

> it without initiation will actually experience many obstacles and

> dangers! It is stated in Viswamitra Samhita - Gaayathri paddati.

>

> " Saapa yuktaatu Gaayathri Chartur Varga phalaandakaa

> Saapa muktaatu Gaayathri chatur varga phalpradaa "

>

> Means Gaayathri with Saapa (i.e without removal of curse) will

cause

> destruction of 4 fold attainments of life (Dharma - Righteous

living,

> Artha - righteous earning of money, Kaama - righteous enjoyment of

> luxuries and pleasures, mokshaa - ultimate liberation), whereas

> Gaayathri relieved of the curses will cause gain of the 4 fold

> attainments.

>

> This injunction does not apply to those who do Gaayathri after

> upanayanam where the relevant mantras of activation are anyhow

> chanted. Even for these persons, the higher siddhis of the Gayathri

> mantra are locked if they chant the Gayathri without saapa

nivaarana

> mantra.

>

> Again, when mantraas are chanted, we should offer respects to the

> Rishis (mantra drushtaas - seers of the mantra who first identified

> the mantra with their yogic vision); during the deeksha, naandi

homam

> is to be done to honour one's ancestors - When a person is about to

> set foot in the path of spirituality, all his ancestors are happy

and

> will congregate in that place of deeksha earnestly. So, they should

> be honoured auspiciously and their blessings should be sought. Then

> one should make " Japa prathignyaa " means declaration that this is

the

> purpose of the deekshaa and I will definitely be regular in my

> chantings and will use my power only for good purposes. Slipping in

> this promise after getting siddhis has been the nemesis of many

> mantra shaastra experts.

>

> Usually one should select one particular Deity (whatever it is)

> either according to one's family customs or using astrological

> methods to check Ishta/ phalana devataas, or by using one's own

> intuition and natural predisposition to pray to a particular Deity.

> The upaasanaa of that deity should be done after getting proper

> deekshaa which will ensure speedy perfection.

>

> For an accomplished practitioner, it will be hardly a matter of

half

> an hour of preliminary mantrik routines, and then they can

> concentrate on mantra japam as per their time availability and

> convenience. During emergencies these procedures can be shortened.

>

> But,it is better to have a utkeelanam or saapa nivaaranam or

kavacha

> upadesham (most advanced mantras require kavacha recital before

> chanting of moola mantraas) initiated at least once before one

> proceeds with endless repetitions of mantras. If it could not be

> done in the initial stages, at least when one reaches significant

> land marks like 1 lakh japams, 24 lakh japams, or 1 crore japam

> counts, they may have these special elements initiated which will

> immediately unlock the stored potential of all the japams give

> intense mystic experiences. Detailed procedures like yoginii

> nyaasam, aksharaa nyaasam (meditating on different aksharaas in

> different parts of the body as per traditions), etc. are also done

> during deeksha which helps the body to resonate well with the

mantra

> being chanted.Advanced spiritual Gurus are capable of giving such

an

> experience by direct transfer of their power to the sishyaa. In

such

> a case, utkeelanam, kavacham, saapa nivaaranam, etc. are not

> necessary at all!

>

> For most common mantras, the use of anga nyaasam, kara nyaasam, and

> dig bandanam is enough; these procedures will be automatically

given

> in most standard works.

>

> Blessed be.

> Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

> vedic astrology

> <vedic astrology%40> , nagarajan chidambaram

> <ngrjn_chidambaram@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Panditji,

> >

> > Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience.

> >

> > I have been very closely following your posts and replies in this

> group for the past one year and have had the getting a deeper

> understanding on the subjects discussed.

> >

> > I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the right

> way to chant a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have been

> locked by the creators just like a software being locked in a way

> that it can be used only by the user knowing the key. That is to

say

> that every mantra has a key and unless the person chanting the

mantra

> uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am told that even

> the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only with

> the use of the appropriate key.

> >

> > How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of your

> stature.

> >

> > I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of the

> right usage of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and

help

> humanity regain the lost science of using the vibrational science

for

> the benefit of mankind.

> >

> > Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my

humble

> and earnest prayer enlighten me.

> >

> > Your humble admirer,

> >

> > Nagaajan.C

> >

> >

> >

> > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click

> here

> >

> >

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ll HARE RAM ll

Pandit Dakshinamoorthi ji,

I am completely agreed with you that Gayatri Mantra is needed some protocol

before chanting as to remove curses of Brahma,Vashistha,Visvamitra & Shukra and

later doing proper visarjana otherwise it can be harmful.It is not the

Mahamantra given in " Kulsantaran " Upnishad like " HARE RAM HARE RAM RAM RAM HARE

HARE,HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE " that can be chanted by

any one and any position.Gayatri Mantra is called the mother of all mantras.Even

to add Samputa of Gayatri Mantra makes one Mantra so powerful.

 

Regards

Shashie Shekhar

 

 

dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer wrote:

Dear Shri. Manjunath:

 

The three curses to Gayathri mantra were given mainly to

prevent " Rakshasaic " elements from getting unbridled power. So, if

you are of a saatwik quality and you have got initiated into the

mantra from someone, kindly keep chanting it. Otherwise, tradition

says that it is better not to chant. I have no individual opinion

regarding this.

 

The best recourse for someone who wishes to avail Gayathri Grace is

to chant the Gayathri Sahasranaamam or Gayathri Sthothram (chaalisa

is of recent origin; in my opinion, except Hanumaan Chaalisaa

composed by Goswami Tulsi Das, the other chaalisaas have more of a

devotional value as they are modelled after the Hanumaan chaalisaa

and not too much of mantrik value).

 

Otherwise, chanting " Om Shri Gaayathryai veda maatre namah " is the

best way.

 

Please read through the earlier post....I have given different

options open before you.

 

There are some controversies like " Can a person chant Gayathri

without upanayanam, can women chant, " etc. which I studiously avoid

because my views will be based only on traditions which might not be

compatible with what you see today.

 

A policeman uses a baton to control a crowd, but if we do it, it is

considered manslaughter...is it not? A licensed person can drive

vehicles while a person without license should not drive even if he

is capable of driving! In the same way, deeksha samskaar or

upanayanam are like license procedures.....Saapa Nivaaranam is like

No-objection certificate or " fitness certificate " .....All these are

important....you cannot say, I found a vehicle and I drove

it....there is not need for license...nothing will happen, etc.

 

Even a license person can meet with accidents, in that case insurance

will cover the damages; but what will happen if an unlicensed person

drives vehicles and gets involved in an accident? A similar analogy

applies to mantras. Gayathri is a mahaa mantraa, and a powerful

one. But that does not imply anyone can chant it casually. If that

is so, why did the sages give elaborate procedures for upanayanam?

 

By the way, Gayathri is not restricted only to Brahmins....Even non-

Brahmins can chant Gayathri after upanayanam samskaar and getting

initiation.

 

For those who wish to chant Gaayathri mantra without upanayanam there

is a Gayathri beeja mantra (composed only of beejas and no words

except swaahaa). You can get that rare beeja mantra from competent

Gurus and chant it (I doubt if you can get a proper Guru who knows

this). So sticking to the Gayathri sthothram will be best for you.

 

Otherwise, go for the tantrik Gayathri

" Om Veda Maatre cha vidmahe Brahma Patnyai cha deemahii

Tanno Gaayathri prachodyaat "

 

Anybody can chant this without any restriction and without any fear

of curses or ritual violations.

 

May Veda Maata Gaayathri Bless everyone.

 

PS: Dear Group: I do not want Mr. Lalith or his admirers here

baiting me further with non-shastraic posts on this matter any

further. I am still posting here keeping aside my personal pain just

for the benefit of the group. What I have said is in consonance with

shaastras and on the explicity query addressed to me. Any person

with decency will avoid jutting in between. I am waiting for mr.

Lalith's ban yet! This is not vengeance...but the command of a vedic

Guru. Dharma shastra allows such actions. I have not hit him or

done anything to him. I seek his banishment from a domain where you

people wish me to be a Guru and guide the group. I am within my

previleges to demand this. Otherwise, it is demeaning to my position

as a Guru, and unless I am a Guru, I am not obliged to share my rare

knowledge here. (Mr. Lalith may think any 100 Rs. book will teach

these things; the truth is ...it is not possible. Many books barring

a few exceptions are poorly researched and they cannot be relied on

intricate dharma shastraic matters).

 

Blessed be.

Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

vedic astrology , " Manjunath, T (GE

Healthcare) " wrote:

>

> Dear Shri. Pandit Dakshinamoorthi,

>

> Vanakkam, Please accept my sincere respects.

> As a learner, many of your posts are highly educative & your

> articulation & writing style is greatly admired.

>

> sir, your below mail on gayatri has confused me & therefore am

writing

> to you. i was planning to resume chanting this mantra shortly (

again

> mainly prompted by the mails in the group)

>

> As a hindu non-brahmin, not acquainted with tradition & initiation

> rituals, what can a average person chant.

> i have even read ( not sure where) that un-initiated persons chant

> gayatri by not chanting OM in the beginning of the mantra

>

> My request & query is to clarify how one can chant Gayatri without

the

> adverse effects.

>

> Kindly write in leisure & help us all as much details time permits

you.

> even suggestions of books to read, place to get initiation

> in bangalore will help, my wife can read tamil, so pls. suggest

> accordingly

>

> i have a different query on murugan yantra which i shall request

> separately

> am a noh brahmin hindu, vegetarian since 1.5 years, non smoker & do

not

> use liquor.

>

> Sincerely,

> with best wishes & pranaams,

>

> Manju

>

> PS : for the group going-on's .. last night i remembered a

statement

> in tamil, am writing a rough translation, its a general statment &

not

> specific to anybody.

>

> " Those who believe you... No explanation is needed. Those who do

not

> believe you, No explanation can suffice "

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology ] On Behalf Of

dakshinastrologer

> Monday, August 06, 2007 10:25 PM

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE ,

OBSERVED

> AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER

>

>

>

> Dear Shri. Chidambaram:

>

> Powerful mantras usually have a Utkeelana mantra or saapa nivaarana

> mantra to get them activated and to remove the curses associated

with

> them.

>

> In fact the Great Gayathri mantra has 3 curses - Brahma saapa,

> Vasishta saapa, and Viswaamitra saapa. This was because anyone

> chanting the Gaayatri mantra can attain great siddhis, and such

power

> in the hands of persons with wrong attitudes can be disastrous to

the

> more pacific living entities including " gods and demi-gods " . Thus,

> anyone chanting the Gaayathri mantra without saapa vimochana mantra

> will actually not experience its full wonders. And those who chant

> it without initiation will actually experience many obstacles and

> dangers! It is stated in Viswamitra Samhita - Gaayathri paddati.

>

> " Saapa yuktaatu Gaayathri Chartur Varga phalaandakaa

> Saapa muktaatu Gaayathri chatur varga phalpradaa "

>

> Means Gaayathri with Saapa (i.e without removal of curse) will

cause

> destruction of 4 fold attainments of life (Dharma - Righteous

living,

> Artha - righteous earning of money, Kaama - righteous enjoyment of

> luxuries and pleasures, mokshaa - ultimate liberation), whereas

> Gaayathri relieved of the curses will cause gain of the 4 fold

> attainments.

>

> This injunction does not apply to those who do Gaayathri after

> upanayanam where the relevant mantras of activation are anyhow

> chanted. Even for these persons, the higher siddhis of the Gayathri

> mantra are locked if they chant the Gayathri without saapa

nivaarana

> mantra.

>

> Again, when mantraas are chanted, we should offer respects to the

> Rishis (mantra drushtaas - seers of the mantra who first identified

> the mantra with their yogic vision); during the deeksha, naandi

homam

> is to be done to honour one's ancestors - When a person is about to

> set foot in the path of spirituality, all his ancestors are happy

and

> will congregate in that place of deeksha earnestly. So, they should

> be honoured auspiciously and their blessings should be sought. Then

> one should make " Japa prathignyaa " means declaration that this is

the

> purpose of the deekshaa and I will definitely be regular in my

> chantings and will use my power only for good purposes. Slipping in

> this promise after getting siddhis has been the nemesis of many

> mantra shaastra experts.

>

> Usually one should select one particular Deity (whatever it is)

> either according to one's family customs or using astrological

> methods to check Ishta/ phalana devataas, or by using one's own

> intuition and natural predisposition to pray to a particular Deity.

> The upaasanaa of that deity should be done after getting proper

> deekshaa which will ensure speedy perfection.

>

> For an accomplished practitioner, it will be hardly a matter of

half

> an hour of preliminary mantrik routines, and then they can

> concentrate on mantra japam as per their time availability and

> convenience. During emergencies these procedures can be shortened.

>

> But,it is better to have a utkeelanam or saapa nivaaranam or

kavacha

> upadesham (most advanced mantras require kavacha recital before

> chanting of moola mantraas) initiated at least once before one

> proceeds with endless repetitions of mantras. If it could not be

> done in the initial stages, at least when one reaches significant

> land marks like 1 lakh japams, 24 lakh japams, or 1 crore japam

> counts, they may have these special elements initiated which will

> immediately unlock the stored potential of all the japams give

> intense mystic experiences. Detailed procedures like yoginii

> nyaasam, aksharaa nyaasam (meditating on different aksharaas in

> different parts of the body as per traditions), etc. are also done

> during deeksha which helps the body to resonate well with the

mantra

> being chanted.Advanced spiritual Gurus are capable of giving such

an

> experience by direct transfer of their power to the sishyaa. In

such

> a case, utkeelanam, kavacham, saapa nivaaranam, etc. are not

> necessary at all!

>

> For most common mantras, the use of anga nyaasam, kara nyaasam, and

> dig bandanam is enough; these procedures will be automatically

given

> in most standard works.

>

> Blessed be.

> Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

> vedic astrology

> , nagarajan chidambaram

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Panditji,

> >

> > Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience.

> >

> > I have been very closely following your posts and replies in this

> group for the past one year and have had the getting a deeper

> understanding on the subjects discussed.

> >

> > I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the right

> way to chant a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have been

> locked by the creators just like a software being locked in a way

> that it can be used only by the user knowing the key. That is to

say

> that every mantra has a key and unless the person chanting the

mantra

> uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am told that even

> the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only with

> the use of the appropriate key.

> >

> > How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of your

> stature.

> >

> > I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of the

> right usage of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and

help

> humanity regain the lost science of using the vibrational science

for

> the benefit of mankind.

> >

> > Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my

humble

> and earnest prayer enlighten me.

> >

> > Your humble admirer,

> >

> > Nagaajan.C

> >

> >

> >

> > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click

> here

> >

> >

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just out of curiosity, why would the divine people curse gayatri for. I thought

they themselves practised gayatri and were able to spiritually grow to a level

where no ordinary man would have reached. I was searching the net for stories

related to this curse but found none. So if somebody can enligten on this.

 

I used to watch a program on zee and in tht a lady also said the same that she

practised some 64000 odd times (i dont remember the number) but she suffered bad

luck after the completion of the mantra and this was addressed to some tantrik

practisioner. I dont remember exactly what he said but i guess he said she shld

have done one more mantra to balance the power of gayatri.

 

Bharat

 

 

 

 

Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro

vedic astrology

Tuesday, August 7, 2007 6:39:13 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE , OBSERVED AND

EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER

 

ll HARE RAM ll

Pandit Dakshinamoorthi ji,

I am completely agreed with you that Gayatri Mantra is needed some protocol

before chanting as to remove curses of Brahma,Vashistha, Visvamitra & Shukra and

later doing proper visarjana otherwise it can be harmful.It is not the

Mahamantra given in " Kulsantaran " Upnishad like " HARE RAM HARE RAM RAM RAM HARE

HARE,HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE " that can be chanted by

any one and any position.Gayatri Mantra is called the mother of all mantras.Even

to add Samputa of Gayatri Mantra makes one Mantra so powerful.

 

Regards

Shashie Shekhar

 

 

dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ .co. in> wrote:

Dear Shri. Manjunath:

 

The three curses to Gayathri mantra were given mainly to

prevent " Rakshasaic " elements from getting unbridled power. So, if

you are of a saatwik quality and you have got initiated into the

mantra from someone, kindly keep chanting it. Otherwise, tradition

says that it is better not to chant. I have no individual opinion

regarding this.

 

The best recourse for someone who wishes to avail Gayathri Grace is

to chant the Gayathri Sahasranaamam or Gayathri Sthothram (chaalisa

is of recent origin; in my opinion, except Hanumaan Chaalisaa

composed by Goswami Tulsi Das, the other chaalisaas have more of a

devotional value as they are modelled after the Hanumaan chaalisaa

and not too much of mantrik value).

 

Otherwise, chanting " Om Shri Gaayathryai veda maatre namah " is the

best way.

 

Please read through the earlier post....I have given different

options open before you.

 

There are some controversies like " Can a person chant Gayathri

without upanayanam, can women chant, " etc. which I studiously avoid

because my views will be based only on traditions which might not be

compatible with what you see today.

 

A policeman uses a baton to control a crowd, but if we do it, it is

considered manslaughter. ..is it not? A licensed person can drive

vehicles while a person without license should not drive even if he

is capable of driving! In the same way, deeksha samskaar or

upanayanam are like license procedures.. ...Saapa Nivaaranam is like

No-objection certificate or " fitness certificate " .....All these are

important... .you cannot say, I found a vehicle and I drove

it....there is not need for license...nothing will happen, etc.

 

Even a license person can meet with accidents, in that case insurance

will cover the damages; but what will happen if an unlicensed person

drives vehicles and gets involved in an accident? A similar analogy

applies to mantras. Gayathri is a mahaa mantraa, and a powerful

one. But that does not imply anyone can chant it casually. If that

is so, why did the sages give elaborate procedures for upanayanam?

 

By the way, Gayathri is not restricted only to Brahmins.... Even non-

Brahmins can chant Gayathri after upanayanam samskaar and getting

initiation.

 

For those who wish to chant Gaayathri mantra without upanayanam there

is a Gayathri beeja mantra (composed only of beejas and no words

except swaahaa). You can get that rare beeja mantra from competent

Gurus and chant it (I doubt if you can get a proper Guru who knows

this). So sticking to the Gayathri sthothram will be best for you.

 

Otherwise, go for the tantrik Gayathri

" Om Veda Maatre cha vidmahe Brahma Patnyai cha deemahii

Tanno Gaayathri prachodyaat "

 

Anybody can chant this without any restriction and without any fear

of curses or ritual violations.

 

May Veda Maata Gaayathri Bless everyone.

 

PS: Dear Group: I do not want Mr. Lalith or his admirers here

baiting me further with non-shastraic posts on this matter any

further. I am still posting here keeping aside my personal pain just

for the benefit of the group. What I have said is in consonance with

shaastras and on the explicity query addressed to me. Any person

with decency will avoid jutting in between. I am waiting for mr.

Lalith's ban yet! This is not vengeance... but the command of a vedic

Guru. Dharma shastra allows such actions. I have not hit him or

done anything to him. I seek his banishment from a domain where you

people wish me to be a Guru and guide the group. I am within my

previleges to demand this. Otherwise, it is demeaning to my position

as a Guru, and unless I am a Guru, I am not obliged to share my rare

knowledge here. (Mr. Lalith may think any 100 Rs. book will teach

these things; the truth is ...it is not possible. Many books barring

a few exceptions are poorly researched and they cannot be relied on

intricate dharma shastraic matters).

 

Blessed be.

Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

vedic astrology, " Manjunath, T (GE

Healthcare) " wrote:

>

> Dear Shri. Pandit Dakshinamoorthi,

>

> Vanakkam, Please accept my sincere respects.

> As a learner, many of your posts are highly educative & your

> articulation & writing style is greatly admired.

>

> sir, your below mail on gayatri has confused me & therefore am

writing

> to you. i was planning to resume chanting this mantra shortly (

again

> mainly prompted by the mails in the group)

>

> As a hindu non-brahmin, not acquainted with tradition & initiation

> rituals, what can a average person chant.

> i have even read ( not sure where) that un-initiated persons chant

> gayatri by not chanting OM in the beginning of the mantra

>

> My request & query is to clarify how one can chant Gayatri without

the

> adverse effects.

>

> Kindly write in leisure & help us all as much details time permits

you.

> even suggestions of books to read, place to get initiation

> in bangalore will help, my wife can read tamil, so pls. suggest

> accordingly

>

> i have a different query on murugan yantra which i shall request

> separately

> am a noh brahmin hindu, vegetarian since 1.5 years, non smoker & do

not

> use liquor.

>

> Sincerely,

> with best wishes & pranaams,

>

> Manju

>

> PS : for the group going-on's .. last night i remembered a

statement

> in tamil, am writing a rough translation, its a general statment &

not

> specific to anybody.

>

> " Those who believe you... No explanation is needed. Those who do

not

> believe you, No explanation can suffice "

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of

dakshinastrologer

> Monday, August 06, 2007 10:25 PM

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE ,

OBSERVED

> AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER

>

>

>

> Dear Shri. Chidambaram:

>

> Powerful mantras usually have a Utkeelana mantra or saapa nivaarana

> mantra to get them activated and to remove the curses associated

with

> them.

>

> In fact the Great Gayathri mantra has 3 curses - Brahma saapa,

> Vasishta saapa, and Viswaamitra saapa. This was because anyone

> chanting the Gaayatri mantra can attain great siddhis, and such

power

> in the hands of persons with wrong attitudes can be disastrous to

the

> more pacific living entities including " gods and demi-gods " . Thus,

> anyone chanting the Gaayathri mantra without saapa vimochana mantra

> will actually not experience its full wonders. And those who chant

> it without initiation will actually experience many obstacles and

> dangers! It is stated in Viswamitra Samhita - Gaayathri paddati.

>

> " Saapa yuktaatu Gaayathri Chartur Varga phalaandakaa

> Saapa muktaatu Gaayathri chatur varga phalpradaa "

>

> Means Gaayathri with Saapa (i.e without removal of curse) will

cause

> destruction of 4 fold attainments of life (Dharma - Righteous

living,

> Artha - righteous earning of money, Kaama - righteous enjoyment of

> luxuries and pleasures, mokshaa - ultimate liberation), whereas

> Gaayathri relieved of the curses will cause gain of the 4 fold

> attainments.

>

> This injunction does not apply to those who do Gaayathri after

> upanayanam where the relevant mantras of activation are anyhow

> chanted. Even for these persons, the higher siddhis of the Gayathri

> mantra are locked if they chant the Gayathri without saapa

nivaarana

> mantra.

>

> Again, when mantraas are chanted, we should offer respects to the

> Rishis (mantra drushtaas - seers of the mantra who first identified

> the mantra with their yogic vision); during the deeksha, naandi

homam

> is to be done to honour one's ancestors - When a person is about to

> set foot in the path of spirituality, all his ancestors are happy

and

> will congregate in that place of deeksha earnestly. So, they should

> be honoured auspiciously and their blessings should be sought. Then

> one should make " Japa prathignyaa " means declaration that this is

the

> purpose of the deekshaa and I will definitely be regular in my

> chantings and will use my power only for good purposes. Slipping in

> this promise after getting siddhis has been the nemesis of many

> mantra shaastra experts.

>

> Usually one should select one particular Deity (whatever it is)

> either according to one's family customs or using astrological

> methods to check Ishta/ phalana devataas, or by using one's own

> intuition and natural predisposition to pray to a particular Deity.

> The upaasanaa of that deity should be done after getting proper

> deekshaa which will ensure speedy perfection.

>

> For an accomplished practitioner, it will be hardly a matter of

half

> an hour of preliminary mantrik routines, and then they can

> concentrate on mantra japam as per their time availability and

> convenience. During emergencies these procedures can be shortened.

>

> But,it is better to have a utkeelanam or saapa nivaaranam or

kavacha

> upadesham (most advanced mantras require kavacha recital before

> chanting of moola mantraas) initiated at least once before one

> proceeds with endless repetitions of mantras. If it could not be

> done in the initial stages, at least when one reaches significant

> land marks like 1 lakh japams, 24 lakh japams, or 1 crore japam

> counts, they may have these special elements initiated which will

> immediately unlock the stored potential of all the japams give

> intense mystic experiences. Detailed procedures like yoginii

> nyaasam, aksharaa nyaasam (meditating on different aksharaas in

> different parts of the body as per traditions), etc. are also done

> during deeksha which helps the body to resonate well with the

mantra

> being chanted.Advanced spiritual Gurus are capable of giving such

an

> experience by direct transfer of their power to the sishyaa. In

such

> a case, utkeelanam, kavacham, saapa nivaaranam, etc. are not

> necessary at all!

>

> For most common mantras, the use of anga nyaasam, kara nyaasam, and

> dig bandanam is enough; these procedures will be automatically

given

> in most standard works.

>

> Blessed be.

> Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

> vedic astrology

> , nagarajan chidambaram

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Panditji,

> >

> > Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience.

> >

> > I have been very closely following your posts and replies in this

> group for the past one year and have had the getting a deeper

> understanding on the subjects discussed.

> >

> > I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the right

> way to chant a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have been

> locked by the creators just like a software being locked in a way

> that it can be used only by the user knowing the key. That is to

say

> that every mantra has a key and unless the person chanting the

mantra

> uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am told that even

> the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only with

> the use of the appropriate key.

> >

> > How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of your

> stature.

> >

> > I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of the

> right usage of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and

help

> humanity regain the lost science of using the vibrational science

for

> the benefit of mankind.

> >

> > Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my

humble

> and earnest prayer enlighten me.

> >

> > Your humble admirer,

> >

> > Nagaajan.C

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click

> here

> >

> >

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Respected Sir, Thanks for your time & explanation.

 

Sorry to say this, i am a bit disappointed to learn that chanting

without initiation is not advisable.

 

incase you can recommend someone in bangalore for iniateting me, please

help me

(or)

being a guru, would you be able to initiate me incase i can travel to

chennai, this would be best.

as i am raw, your word will be final & i shall follow it without

questioning.

 

Please advice me personally.

 

best regards

Manju

 

 

________________________________

 

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology ] On Behalf Of dakshinastrologer

Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:19 PM

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE , OBSERVED

AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER

 

 

 

Dear Shri. Manjunath:

 

The three curses to Gayathri mantra were given mainly to

prevent " Rakshasaic " elements from getting unbridled power. So, if

you are of a saatwik quality and you have got initiated into the

mantra from someone, kindly keep chanting it. Otherwise, tradition

says that it is better not to chant. I have no individual opinion

regarding this.

 

The best recourse for someone who wishes to avail Gayathri Grace is

to chant the Gayathri Sahasranaamam or Gayathri Sthothram (chaalisa

is of recent origin; in my opinion, except Hanumaan Chaalisaa

composed by Goswami Tulsi Das, the other chaalisaas have more of a

devotional value as they are modelled after the Hanumaan chaalisaa

and not too much of mantrik value).

 

Otherwise, chanting " Om Shri Gaayathryai veda maatre namah " is the

best way.

 

Please read through the earlier post....I have given different

options open before you.

 

There are some controversies like " Can a person chant Gayathri

without upanayanam, can women chant, " etc. which I studiously avoid

because my views will be based only on traditions which might not be

compatible with what you see today.

 

A policeman uses a baton to control a crowd, but if we do it, it is

considered manslaughter...is it not? A licensed person can drive

vehicles while a person without license should not drive even if he

is capable of driving! In the same way, deeksha samskaar or

upanayanam are like license procedures.....Saapa Nivaaranam is like

No-objection certificate or " fitness certificate " .....All these are

important....you cannot say, I found a vehicle and I drove

it....there is not need for license...nothing will happen, etc.

 

Even a license person can meet with accidents, in that case insurance

will cover the damages; but what will happen if an unlicensed person

drives vehicles and gets involved in an accident? A similar analogy

applies to mantras. Gayathri is a mahaa mantraa, and a powerful

one. But that does not imply anyone can chant it casually. If that

is so, why did the sages give elaborate procedures for upanayanam?

 

By the way, Gayathri is not restricted only to Brahmins....Even non-

Brahmins can chant Gayathri after upanayanam samskaar and getting

initiation.

 

For those who wish to chant Gaayathri mantra without upanayanam there

is a Gayathri beeja mantra (composed only of beejas and no words

except swaahaa). You can get that rare beeja mantra from competent

Gurus and chant it (I doubt if you can get a proper Guru who knows

this). So sticking to the Gayathri sthothram will be best for you.

 

Otherwise, go for the tantrik Gayathri

" Om Veda Maatre cha vidmahe Brahma Patnyai cha deemahii

Tanno Gaayathri prachodyaat "

 

Anybody can chant this without any restriction and without any fear

of curses or ritual violations.

 

May Veda Maata Gaayathri Bless everyone.

 

PS: Dear Group: I do not want Mr. Lalith or his admirers here

baiting me further with non-shastraic posts on this matter any

further. I am still posting here keeping aside my personal pain just

for the benefit of the group. What I have said is in consonance with

shaastras and on the explicity query addressed to me. Any person

with decency will avoid jutting in between. I am waiting for mr.

Lalith's ban yet! This is not vengeance...but the command of a vedic

Guru. Dharma shastra allows such actions. I have not hit him or

done anything to him. I seek his banishment from a domain where you

people wish me to be a Guru and guide the group. I am within my

previleges to demand this. Otherwise, it is demeaning to my position

as a Guru, and unless I am a Guru, I am not obliged to share my rare

knowledge here. (Mr. Lalith may think any 100 Rs. book will teach

these things; the truth is ...it is not possible. Many books barring

a few exceptions are poorly researched and they cannot be relied on

intricate dharma shastraic matters).

 

Blessed be.

Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

vedic astrology

<vedic astrology%40> , " Manjunath, T (GE

Healthcare) " <T.Manjunath wrote:

>

> Dear Shri. Pandit Dakshinamoorthi,

>

> Vanakkam, Please accept my sincere respects.

> As a learner, many of your posts are highly educative & your

> articulation & writing style is greatly admired.

>

> sir, your below mail on gayatri has confused me & therefore am

writing

> to you. i was planning to resume chanting this mantra shortly (

again

> mainly prompted by the mails in the group)

>

> As a hindu non-brahmin, not acquainted with tradition & initiation

> rituals, what can a average person chant.

> i have even read ( not sure where) that un-initiated persons chant

> gayatri by not chanting OM in the beginning of the mantra

>

> My request & query is to clarify how one can chant Gayatri without

the

> adverse effects.

>

> Kindly write in leisure & help us all as much details time permits

you.

> even suggestions of books to read, place to get initiation

> in bangalore will help, my wife can read tamil, so pls. suggest

> accordingly

>

> i have a different query on murugan yantra which i shall request

> separately

> am a noh brahmin hindu, vegetarian since 1.5 years, non smoker & do

not

> use liquor.

>

> Sincerely,

> with best wishes & pranaams,

>

> Manju

>

> PS : for the group going-on's .. last night i remembered a

statement

> in tamil, am writing a rough translation, its a general statment &

not

> specific to anybody.

>

> " Those who believe you... No explanation is needed. Those who do

not

> believe you, No explanation can suffice "

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> vedic astrology

<vedic astrology%40>

> [vedic astrology

<vedic astrology%40> ] On Behalf Of

dakshinastrologer

> Monday, August 06, 2007 10:25 PM

> vedic astrology

<vedic astrology%40>

> [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE ,

OBSERVED

> AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER

>

>

>

> Dear Shri. Chidambaram:

>

> Powerful mantras usually have a Utkeelana mantra or saapa nivaarana

> mantra to get them activated and to remove the curses associated

with

> them.

>

> In fact the Great Gayathri mantra has 3 curses - Brahma saapa,

> Vasishta saapa, and Viswaamitra saapa. This was because anyone

> chanting the Gaayatri mantra can attain great siddhis, and such

power

> in the hands of persons with wrong attitudes can be disastrous to

the

> more pacific living entities including " gods and demi-gods " . Thus,

> anyone chanting the Gaayathri mantra without saapa vimochana mantra

> will actually not experience its full wonders. And those who chant

> it without initiation will actually experience many obstacles and

> dangers! It is stated in Viswamitra Samhita - Gaayathri paddati.

>

> " Saapa yuktaatu Gaayathri Chartur Varga phalaandakaa

> Saapa muktaatu Gaayathri chatur varga phalpradaa "

>

> Means Gaayathri with Saapa (i.e without removal of curse) will

cause

> destruction of 4 fold attainments of life (Dharma - Righteous

living,

> Artha - righteous earning of money, Kaama - righteous enjoyment of

> luxuries and pleasures, mokshaa - ultimate liberation), whereas

> Gaayathri relieved of the curses will cause gain of the 4 fold

> attainments.

>

> This injunction does not apply to those who do Gaayathri after

> upanayanam where the relevant mantras of activation are anyhow

> chanted. Even for these persons, the higher siddhis of the Gayathri

> mantra are locked if they chant the Gayathri without saapa

nivaarana

> mantra.

>

> Again, when mantraas are chanted, we should offer respects to the

> Rishis (mantra drushtaas - seers of the mantra who first identified

> the mantra with their yogic vision); during the deeksha, naandi

homam

> is to be done to honour one's ancestors - When a person is about to

> set foot in the path of spirituality, all his ancestors are happy

and

> will congregate in that place of deeksha earnestly. So, they should

> be honoured auspiciously and their blessings should be sought. Then

> one should make " Japa prathignyaa " means declaration that this is

the

> purpose of the deekshaa and I will definitely be regular in my

> chantings and will use my power only for good purposes. Slipping in

> this promise after getting siddhis has been the nemesis of many

> mantra shaastra experts.

>

> Usually one should select one particular Deity (whatever it is)

> either according to one's family customs or using astrological

> methods to check Ishta/ phalana devataas, or by using one's own

> intuition and natural predisposition to pray to a particular Deity.

> The upaasanaa of that deity should be done after getting proper

> deekshaa which will ensure speedy perfection.

>

> For an accomplished practitioner, it will be hardly a matter of

half

> an hour of preliminary mantrik routines, and then they can

> concentrate on mantra japam as per their time availability and

> convenience. During emergencies these procedures can be shortened.

>

> But,it is better to have a utkeelanam or saapa nivaaranam or

kavacha

> upadesham (most advanced mantras require kavacha recital before

> chanting of moola mantraas) initiated at least once before one

> proceeds with endless repetitions of mantras. If it could not be

> done in the initial stages, at least when one reaches significant

> land marks like 1 lakh japams, 24 lakh japams, or 1 crore japam

> counts, they may have these special elements initiated which will

> immediately unlock the stored potential of all the japams give

> intense mystic experiences. Detailed procedures like yoginii

> nyaasam, aksharaa nyaasam (meditating on different aksharaas in

> different parts of the body as per traditions), etc. are also done

> during deeksha which helps the body to resonate well with the

mantra

> being chanted.Advanced spiritual Gurus are capable of giving such

an

> experience by direct transfer of their power to the sishyaa. In

such

> a case, utkeelanam, kavacham, saapa nivaaranam, etc. are not

> necessary at all!

>

> For most common mantras, the use of anga nyaasam, kara nyaasam, and

> dig bandanam is enough; these procedures will be automatically

given

> in most standard works.

>

> Blessed be.

> Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

> vedic astrology

<vedic astrology%40>

> <vedic astrology%40> , nagarajan chidambaram

> <ngrjn_chidambaram@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Panditji,

> >

> > Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience.

> >

> > I have been very closely following your posts and replies in this

> group for the past one year and have had the getting a deeper

> understanding on the subjects discussed.

> >

> > I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the right

> way to chant a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have been

> locked by the creators just like a software being locked in a way

> that it can be used only by the user knowing the key. That is to

say

> that every mantra has a key and unless the person chanting the

mantra

> uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am told that even

> the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only with

> the use of the appropriate key.

> >

> > How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of your

> stature.

> >

> > I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of the

> right usage of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and

help

> humanity regain the lost science of using the vibrational science

for

> the benefit of mankind.

> >

> > Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my

humble

> and earnest prayer enlighten me.

> >

> > Your humble admirer,

> >

> > Nagaajan.C

> >

> >

> >

> > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click

> here

> >

> >

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Dear Bharat,

 

There is a myth that the gayatri mantra is cursed, try to take it

other way round, we people are curse by way of our attitude,

behavior etc..

 

In fact, to realize the power of God within one should have quality

of Vasistha, Vishwamitra and other sages..

 

A vasistha shapvimochana is in fact, a process to recognise the

quality of vasistha and live upto this, means u will be a good

learner, u will look at all the way u look at urself. a kind of

equality in vision.

 

A vishwamitra shapvimochana is in fact, a process to recognise the

quality of vishwamitra and live upto this, means, u will leave ur bad

instinct and laziness etc. u will be inovative, u will be skilled.

you will not overlook the truth for any cause, a kind of activism.

 

A brahma shapvimochana is in fact, a process to recognise the quality

of brahma and live upto this, means u will be a source to new ideas,

u will contribute to discover more.

 

Sages saw the shortcomings in a man who wants to chant gayatri and

catagorise shortcomings this way they used the term " Shapa " and then

made a vimochana for the shapa.

 

This is what i understood from my gayatri chanting, i have chanted

gayatri for more than 20 years.

 

The mantra and shloka which is there in shapa vimochanaa gives this

sort of feelings to me which i shared with you.

 

and let me tell you one more thing, mantra itself is no way dangerous

or powerful, this is the god which grants u some qualities if u

deserve and chant a mantra, thus u sound powerful on account of ur's

mantra sadhnaa.

 

see, despite all the war here, why they couldn't stop me with their

occult power, where there power gone, any power is given to you if u

are a good human being, keep it in ur mind, if u r fair to urself and

to others same way.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology , Bharat Varma <ffmbvarma

wrote:

>

> just out of curiosity, why would the divine people curse gayatri

for. I thought they themselves practised gayatri and were able to

spiritually grow to a level where no ordinary man would have reached.

I was searching the net for stories related to this curse but found

none. So if somebody can enligten on this.

>

> I used to watch a program on zee and in tht a lady also said the

same that she practised some 64000 odd times (i dont remember the

number) but she suffered bad luck after the completion of the mantra

and this was addressed to some tantrik practisioner. I dont remember

exactly what he said but i guess he said she shld have done one more

mantra to balance the power of gayatri.

>

> Bharat

>

>

>

>

> Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro

> vedic astrology

> Tuesday, August 7, 2007 6:39:13 PM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE ,

OBSERVED AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER

>

> ll HARE RAM ll

> Pandit Dakshinamoorthi ji,

> I am completely agreed with you that Gayatri Mantra is needed some

protocol before chanting as to remove curses of Brahma,Vashistha,

Visvamitra & Shukra and later doing proper visarjana otherwise it can

be harmful.It is not the Mahamantra given in " Kulsantaran " Upnishad

like " HARE RAM HARE RAM RAM RAM HARE HARE,HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA

KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE " that can be chanted by any one and any

position.Gayatri Mantra is called the mother of all mantras.Even to

add Samputa of Gayatri Mantra makes one Mantra so powerful.

>

> Regards

> Shashie Shekhar

>

>

> dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ .co. in> wrote:

> Dear Shri. Manjunath:

>

> The three curses to Gayathri mantra were given mainly to

> prevent " Rakshasaic " elements from getting unbridled power. So, if

> you are of a saatwik quality and you have got initiated into the

> mantra from someone, kindly keep chanting it. Otherwise, tradition

> says that it is better not to chant. I have no individual opinion

> regarding this.

>

> The best recourse for someone who wishes to avail Gayathri Grace is

> to chant the Gayathri Sahasranaamam or Gayathri Sthothram (chaalisa

> is of recent origin; in my opinion, except Hanumaan Chaalisaa

> composed by Goswami Tulsi Das, the other chaalisaas have more of a

> devotional value as they are modelled after the Hanumaan chaalisaa

> and not too much of mantrik value).

>

> Otherwise, chanting " Om Shri Gaayathryai veda maatre namah " is the

> best way.

>

> Please read through the earlier post....I have given different

> options open before you.

>

> There are some controversies like " Can a person chant Gayathri

> without upanayanam, can women chant, " etc. which I studiously avoid

> because my views will be based only on traditions which might not

be

> compatible with what you see today.

>

> A policeman uses a baton to control a crowd, but if we do it, it is

> considered manslaughter. ..is it not? A licensed person can drive

> vehicles while a person without license should not drive even if he

> is capable of driving! In the same way, deeksha samskaar or

> upanayanam are like license procedures.. ...Saapa Nivaaranam is

like

> No-objection certificate or " fitness certificate " .....All these

are

> important... .you cannot say, I found a vehicle and I drove

> it....there is not need for license...nothing will happen, etc.

>

> Even a license person can meet with accidents, in that case

insurance

> will cover the damages; but what will happen if an unlicensed

person

> drives vehicles and gets involved in an accident? A similar analogy

> applies to mantras. Gayathri is a mahaa mantraa, and a powerful

> one. But that does not imply anyone can chant it casually. If that

> is so, why did the sages give elaborate procedures for upanayanam?

>

> By the way, Gayathri is not restricted only to Brahmins.... Even

non-

> Brahmins can chant Gayathri after upanayanam samskaar and getting

> initiation.

>

> For those who wish to chant Gaayathri mantra without upanayanam

there

> is a Gayathri beeja mantra (composed only of beejas and no words

> except swaahaa). You can get that rare beeja mantra from competent

> Gurus and chant it (I doubt if you can get a proper Guru who knows

> this). So sticking to the Gayathri sthothram will be best for you.

>

> Otherwise, go for the tantrik Gayathri

> " Om Veda Maatre cha vidmahe Brahma Patnyai cha deemahii

> Tanno Gaayathri prachodyaat "

>

> Anybody can chant this without any restriction and without any fear

> of curses or ritual violations.

>

> May Veda Maata Gaayathri Bless everyone.

>

> PS: Dear Group: I do not want Mr. Lalith or his admirers here

> baiting me further with non-shastraic posts on this matter any

> further. I am still posting here keeping aside my personal pain

just

> for the benefit of the group. What I have said is in consonance

with

> shaastras and on the explicity query addressed to me. Any person

> with decency will avoid jutting in between. I am waiting for mr.

> Lalith's ban yet! This is not vengeance... but the command of a

vedic

> Guru. Dharma shastra allows such actions. I have not hit him or

> done anything to him. I seek his banishment from a domain where you

> people wish me to be a Guru and guide the group. I am within my

> previleges to demand this. Otherwise, it is demeaning to my

position

> as a Guru, and unless I am a Guru, I am not obliged to share my

rare

> knowledge here. (Mr. Lalith may think any 100 Rs. book will teach

> these things; the truth is ...it is not possible. Many books

barring

> a few exceptions are poorly researched and they cannot be relied on

> intricate dharma shastraic matters).

>

> Blessed be.

> Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

> vedic astrology, " Manjunath, T (GE

> Healthcare) " wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri. Pandit Dakshinamoorthi,

> >

> > Vanakkam, Please accept my sincere respects.

> > As a learner, many of your posts are highly educative & your

> > articulation & writing style is greatly admired.

> >

> > sir, your below mail on gayatri has confused me & therefore am

> writing

> > to you. i was planning to resume chanting this mantra shortly (

> again

> > mainly prompted by the mails in the group)

> >

> > As a hindu non-brahmin, not acquainted with tradition & initiation

> > rituals, what can a average person chant.

> > i have even read ( not sure where) that un-initiated persons chant

> > gayatri by not chanting OM in the beginning of the mantra

> >

> > My request & query is to clarify how one can chant Gayatri

without

> the

> > adverse effects.

> >

> > Kindly write in leisure & help us all as much details time

permits

> you.

> > even suggestions of books to read, place to get initiation

> > in bangalore will help, my wife can read tamil, so pls. suggest

> > accordingly

> >

> > i have a different query on murugan yantra which i shall request

> > separately

> > am a noh brahmin hindu, vegetarian since 1.5 years, non smoker &

do

> not

> > use liquor.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > with best wishes & pranaams,

> >

> > Manju

> >

> > PS : for the group going-on's .. last night i remembered a

> statement

> > in tamil, am writing a rough translation, its a general statment

&

> not

> > specific to anybody.

> >

> > " Those who believe you... No explanation is needed. Those who do

> not

> > believe you, No explanation can suffice "

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >

> > vedic astrology

> > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of

> dakshinastrologer

> > Monday, August 06, 2007 10:25 PM

> > vedic astrology

> > [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE ,

> OBSERVED

> > AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Shri. Chidambaram:

> >

> > Powerful mantras usually have a Utkeelana mantra or saapa

nivaarana

> > mantra to get them activated and to remove the curses associated

> with

> > them.

> >

> > In fact the Great Gayathri mantra has 3 curses - Brahma saapa,

> > Vasishta saapa, and Viswaamitra saapa. This was because anyone

> > chanting the Gaayatri mantra can attain great siddhis, and such

> power

> > in the hands of persons with wrong attitudes can be disastrous to

> the

> > more pacific living entities including " gods and demi-gods " .

Thus,

> > anyone chanting the Gaayathri mantra without saapa vimochana

mantra

> > will actually not experience its full wonders. And those who

chant

> > it without initiation will actually experience many obstacles and

> > dangers! It is stated in Viswamitra Samhita - Gaayathri paddati.

> >

> > " Saapa yuktaatu Gaayathri Chartur Varga phalaandakaa

> > Saapa muktaatu Gaayathri chatur varga phalpradaa "

> >

> > Means Gaayathri with Saapa (i.e without removal of curse) will

> cause

> > destruction of 4 fold attainments of life (Dharma - Righteous

> living,

> > Artha - righteous earning of money, Kaama - righteous enjoyment

of

> > luxuries and pleasures, mokshaa - ultimate liberation), whereas

> > Gaayathri relieved of the curses will cause gain of the 4 fold

> > attainments.

> >

> > This injunction does not apply to those who do Gaayathri after

> > upanayanam where the relevant mantras of activation are anyhow

> > chanted. Even for these persons, the higher siddhis of the

Gayathri

> > mantra are locked if they chant the Gayathri without saapa

> nivaarana

> > mantra.

> >

> > Again, when mantraas are chanted, we should offer respects to the

> > Rishis (mantra drushtaas - seers of the mantra who first

identified

> > the mantra with their yogic vision); during the deeksha, naandi

> homam

> > is to be done to honour one's ancestors - When a person is about

to

> > set foot in the path of spirituality, all his ancestors are happy

> and

> > will congregate in that place of deeksha earnestly. So, they

should

> > be honoured auspiciously and their blessings should be sought.

Then

> > one should make " Japa prathignyaa " means declaration that this is

> the

> > purpose of the deekshaa and I will definitely be regular in my

> > chantings and will use my power only for good purposes. Slipping

in

> > this promise after getting siddhis has been the nemesis of many

> > mantra shaastra experts.

> >

> > Usually one should select one particular Deity (whatever it is)

> > either according to one's family customs or using astrological

> > methods to check Ishta/ phalana devataas, or by using one's own

> > intuition and natural predisposition to pray to a particular

Deity.

> > The upaasanaa of that deity should be done after getting proper

> > deekshaa which will ensure speedy perfection.

> >

> > For an accomplished practitioner, it will be hardly a matter of

> half

> > an hour of preliminary mantrik routines, and then they can

> > concentrate on mantra japam as per their time availability and

> > convenience. During emergencies these procedures can be shortened.

> >

> > But,it is better to have a utkeelanam or saapa nivaaranam or

> kavacha

> > upadesham (most advanced mantras require kavacha recital before

> > chanting of moola mantraas) initiated at least once before one

> > proceeds with endless repetitions of mantras. If it could not be

> > done in the initial stages, at least when one reaches significant

> > land marks like 1 lakh japams, 24 lakh japams, or 1 crore japam

> > counts, they may have these special elements initiated which will

> > immediately unlock the stored potential of all the japams give

> > intense mystic experiences. Detailed procedures like yoginii

> > nyaasam, aksharaa nyaasam (meditating on different aksharaas in

> > different parts of the body as per traditions), etc. are also

done

> > during deeksha which helps the body to resonate well with the

> mantra

> > being chanted.Advanced spiritual Gurus are capable of giving such

> an

> > experience by direct transfer of their power to the sishyaa. In

> such

> > a case, utkeelanam, kavacham, saapa nivaaranam, etc. are not

> > necessary at all!

> >

> > For most common mantras, the use of anga nyaasam, kara nyaasam,

and

> > dig bandanam is enough; these procedures will be automatically

> given

> > in most standard works.

> >

> > Blessed be.

> > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> >

> > vedic astrology

> > , nagarajan chidambaram

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Panditji,

> > >

> > > Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience.

> > >

> > > I have been very closely following your posts and replies in

this

> > group for the past one year and have had the getting a deeper

> > understanding on the subjects discussed.

> > >

> > > I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the

right

> > way to chant a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have

been

> > locked by the creators just like a software being locked in a way

> > that it can be used only by the user knowing the key. That is to

> say

> > that every mantra has a key and unless the person chanting the

> mantra

> > uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am told that

even

> > the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only

with

> > the use of the appropriate key.

> > >

> > > How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of

your

> > stature.

> > >

> > > I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of

the

> > right usage of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and

> help

> > humanity regain the lost science of using the vibrational science

> for

> > the benefit of mankind.

> > >

> > > Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my

> humble

> > and earnest prayer enlighten me.

> > >

> > > Your humble admirer,

> > >

> > > Nagaajan.C

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click

> > here

> > >

> > >

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Dear Shri. Manjunath:

 

If you can still respect me after all this controversies in this

group, and are willing to get initiation from me, I will be most

happy to initiate you into Gayathri mantra.

 

Of course, you will have to travel to Chennai for this.

 

Blessed be.

 

Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

vedic astrology , " Manjunath, T (GE

Healthcare) " <T.Manjunath wrote:

>

> Respected Sir, Thanks for your time & explanation.

>

> Sorry to say this, i am a bit disappointed to learn that chanting

> without initiation is not advisable.

>

> incase you can recommend someone in bangalore for iniateting me,

please

> help me

> (or)

> being a guru, would you be able to initiate me incase i can travel

to

> chennai, this would be best.

> as i am raw, your word will be final & i shall follow it without

> questioning.

>

> Please advice me personally.

>

> best regards

> Manju

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology ] On Behalf Of

dakshinastrologer

> Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:19 PM

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE ,

OBSERVED

> AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER

>

>

>

> Dear Shri. Manjunath:

>

> The three curses to Gayathri mantra were given mainly to

> prevent " Rakshasaic " elements from getting unbridled power. So, if

> you are of a saatwik quality and you have got initiated into the

> mantra from someone, kindly keep chanting it. Otherwise, tradition

> says that it is better not to chant. I have no individual opinion

> regarding this.

>

> The best recourse for someone who wishes to avail Gayathri Grace is

> to chant the Gayathri Sahasranaamam or Gayathri Sthothram (chaalisa

> is of recent origin; in my opinion, except Hanumaan Chaalisaa

> composed by Goswami Tulsi Das, the other chaalisaas have more of a

> devotional value as they are modelled after the Hanumaan chaalisaa

> and not too much of mantrik value).

>

> Otherwise, chanting " Om Shri Gaayathryai veda maatre namah " is the

> best way.

>

> Please read through the earlier post....I have given different

> options open before you.

>

> There are some controversies like " Can a person chant Gayathri

> without upanayanam, can women chant, " etc. which I studiously avoid

> because my views will be based only on traditions which might not

be

> compatible with what you see today.

>

> A policeman uses a baton to control a crowd, but if we do it, it is

> considered manslaughter...is it not? A licensed person can drive

> vehicles while a person without license should not drive even if he

> is capable of driving! In the same way, deeksha samskaar or

> upanayanam are like license procedures.....Saapa Nivaaranam is like

> No-objection certificate or " fitness certificate " .....All these are

> important....you cannot say, I found a vehicle and I drove

> it....there is not need for license...nothing will happen, etc.

>

> Even a license person can meet with accidents, in that case

insurance

> will cover the damages; but what will happen if an unlicensed

person

> drives vehicles and gets involved in an accident? A similar analogy

> applies to mantras. Gayathri is a mahaa mantraa, and a powerful

> one. But that does not imply anyone can chant it casually. If that

> is so, why did the sages give elaborate procedures for upanayanam?

>

> By the way, Gayathri is not restricted only to Brahmins....Even non-

> Brahmins can chant Gayathri after upanayanam samskaar and getting

> initiation.

>

> For those who wish to chant Gaayathri mantra without upanayanam

there

> is a Gayathri beeja mantra (composed only of beejas and no words

> except swaahaa). You can get that rare beeja mantra from competent

> Gurus and chant it (I doubt if you can get a proper Guru who knows

> this). So sticking to the Gayathri sthothram will be best for you.

>

> Otherwise, go for the tantrik Gayathri

> " Om Veda Maatre cha vidmahe Brahma Patnyai cha deemahii

> Tanno Gaayathri prachodyaat "

>

> Anybody can chant this without any restriction and without any fear

> of curses or ritual violations.

>

> May Veda Maata Gaayathri Bless everyone.

>

> PS: Dear Group: I do not want Mr. Lalith or his admirers here

> baiting me further with non-shastraic posts on this matter any

> further. I am still posting here keeping aside my personal pain

just

> for the benefit of the group. What I have said is in consonance

with

> shaastras and on the explicity query addressed to me. Any person

> with decency will avoid jutting in between. I am waiting for mr.

> Lalith's ban yet! This is not vengeance...but the command of a

vedic

> Guru. Dharma shastra allows such actions. I have not hit him or

> done anything to him. I seek his banishment from a domain where you

> people wish me to be a Guru and guide the group. I am within my

> previleges to demand this. Otherwise, it is demeaning to my

position

> as a Guru, and unless I am a Guru, I am not obliged to share my

rare

> knowledge here. (Mr. Lalith may think any 100 Rs. book will teach

> these things; the truth is ...it is not possible. Many books

barring

> a few exceptions are poorly researched and they cannot be relied on

> intricate dharma shastraic matters).

>

> Blessed be.

> Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

> vedic astrology

> <vedic astrology%40> , " Manjunath, T (GE

> Healthcare) " <T.Manjunath@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri. Pandit Dakshinamoorthi,

> >

> > Vanakkam, Please accept my sincere respects.

> > As a learner, many of your posts are highly educative & your

> > articulation & writing style is greatly admired.

> >

> > sir, your below mail on gayatri has confused me & therefore am

> writing

> > to you. i was planning to resume chanting this mantra shortly (

> again

> > mainly prompted by the mails in the group)

> >

> > As a hindu non-brahmin, not acquainted with tradition & initiation

> > rituals, what can a average person chant.

> > i have even read ( not sure where) that un-initiated persons chant

> > gayatri by not chanting OM in the beginning of the mantra

> >

> > My request & query is to clarify how one can chant Gayatri

without

> the

> > adverse effects.

> >

> > Kindly write in leisure & help us all as much details time

permits

> you.

> > even suggestions of books to read, place to get initiation

> > in bangalore will help, my wife can read tamil, so pls. suggest

> > accordingly

> >

> > i have a different query on murugan yantra which i shall request

> > separately

> > am a noh brahmin hindu, vegetarian since 1.5 years, non smoker &

do

> not

> > use liquor.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > with best wishes & pranaams,

> >

> > Manju

> >

> > PS : for the group going-on's .. last night i remembered a

> statement

> > in tamil, am writing a rough translation, its a general statment

&

> not

> > specific to anybody.

> >

> > " Those who believe you... No explanation is needed. Those who do

> not

> > believe you, No explanation can suffice "

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> > vedic astrology

> <vedic astrology%40>

> > [vedic astrology

> <vedic astrology%40> ] On Behalf Of

> dakshinastrologer

> > Monday, August 06, 2007 10:25 PM

> > vedic astrology

> <vedic astrology%40>

> > [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE ,

> OBSERVED

> > AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Shri. Chidambaram:

> >

> > Powerful mantras usually have a Utkeelana mantra or saapa

nivaarana

> > mantra to get them activated and to remove the curses associated

> with

> > them.

> >

> > In fact the Great Gayathri mantra has 3 curses - Brahma saapa,

> > Vasishta saapa, and Viswaamitra saapa. This was because anyone

> > chanting the Gaayatri mantra can attain great siddhis, and such

> power

> > in the hands of persons with wrong attitudes can be disastrous to

> the

> > more pacific living entities including " gods and demi-gods " .

Thus,

> > anyone chanting the Gaayathri mantra without saapa vimochana

mantra

> > will actually not experience its full wonders. And those who

chant

> > it without initiation will actually experience many obstacles and

> > dangers! It is stated in Viswamitra Samhita - Gaayathri paddati.

> >

> > " Saapa yuktaatu Gaayathri Chartur Varga phalaandakaa

> > Saapa muktaatu Gaayathri chatur varga phalpradaa "

> >

> > Means Gaayathri with Saapa (i.e without removal of curse) will

> cause

> > destruction of 4 fold attainments of life (Dharma - Righteous

> living,

> > Artha - righteous earning of money, Kaama - righteous enjoyment

of

> > luxuries and pleasures, mokshaa - ultimate liberation), whereas

> > Gaayathri relieved of the curses will cause gain of the 4 fold

> > attainments.

> >

> > This injunction does not apply to those who do Gaayathri after

> > upanayanam where the relevant mantras of activation are anyhow

> > chanted. Even for these persons, the higher siddhis of the

Gayathri

> > mantra are locked if they chant the Gayathri without saapa

> nivaarana

> > mantra.

> >

> > Again, when mantraas are chanted, we should offer respects to the

> > Rishis (mantra drushtaas - seers of the mantra who first

identified

> > the mantra with their yogic vision); during the deeksha, naandi

> homam

> > is to be done to honour one's ancestors - When a person is about

to

> > set foot in the path of spirituality, all his ancestors are happy

> and

> > will congregate in that place of deeksha earnestly. So, they

should

> > be honoured auspiciously and their blessings should be sought.

Then

> > one should make " Japa prathignyaa " means declaration that this is

> the

> > purpose of the deekshaa and I will definitely be regular in my

> > chantings and will use my power only for good purposes. Slipping

in

> > this promise after getting siddhis has been the nemesis of many

> > mantra shaastra experts.

> >

> > Usually one should select one particular Deity (whatever it is)

> > either according to one's family customs or using astrological

> > methods to check Ishta/ phalana devataas, or by using one's own

> > intuition and natural predisposition to pray to a particular

Deity.

> > The upaasanaa of that deity should be done after getting proper

> > deekshaa which will ensure speedy perfection.

> >

> > For an accomplished practitioner, it will be hardly a matter of

> half

> > an hour of preliminary mantrik routines, and then they can

> > concentrate on mantra japam as per their time availability and

> > convenience. During emergencies these procedures can be shortened.

> >

> > But,it is better to have a utkeelanam or saapa nivaaranam or

> kavacha

> > upadesham (most advanced mantras require kavacha recital before

> > chanting of moola mantraas) initiated at least once before one

> > proceeds with endless repetitions of mantras. If it could not be

> > done in the initial stages, at least when one reaches significant

> > land marks like 1 lakh japams, 24 lakh japams, or 1 crore japam

> > counts, they may have these special elements initiated which will

> > immediately unlock the stored potential of all the japams give

> > intense mystic experiences. Detailed procedures like yoginii

> > nyaasam, aksharaa nyaasam (meditating on different aksharaas in

> > different parts of the body as per traditions), etc. are also

done

> > during deeksha which helps the body to resonate well with the

> mantra

> > being chanted.Advanced spiritual Gurus are capable of giving such

> an

> > experience by direct transfer of their power to the sishyaa. In

> such

> > a case, utkeelanam, kavacham, saapa nivaaranam, etc. are not

> > necessary at all!

> >

> > For most common mantras, the use of anga nyaasam, kara nyaasam,

and

> > dig bandanam is enough; these procedures will be automatically

> given

> > in most standard works.

> >

> > Blessed be.

> > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> >

> > vedic astrology

> <vedic astrology%40>

> > <vedic astrology%40> , nagarajan

chidambaram

> > <ngrjn_chidambaram@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Panditji,

> > >

> > > Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience.

> > >

> > > I have been very closely following your posts and replies in

this

> > group for the past one year and have had the getting a deeper

> > understanding on the subjects discussed.

> > >

> > > I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the

right

> > way to chant a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have

been

> > locked by the creators just like a software being locked in a way

> > that it can be used only by the user knowing the key. That is to

> say

> > that every mantra has a key and unless the person chanting the

> mantra

> > uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am told that

even

> > the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only

with

> > the use of the appropriate key.

> > >

> > > How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of

your

> > stature.

> > >

> > > I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of

the

> > right usage of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and

> help

> > humanity regain the lost science of using the vibrational science

> for

> > the benefit of mankind.

> > >

> > > Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my

> humble

> > and earnest prayer enlighten me.

> > >

> > > Your humble admirer,

> > >

> > > Nagaajan.C

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click

> > here

> > >

> > >

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Dear Respected Sir,

 

i am very happy & glad that you have accepted to initiate me. i

consider it my good fortune & the grace of god.

 

i shall make my travel plans around 19 - 20th to chennai & let you know

sir. kindly drop me a personal mail

on any other aspects.

 

As for the controversies, as the saying goes, the Lotus flower blooms &

remains pointed skyward inspite of not so clean sorroundings.

similarly, i pray these temporary disturbances do not distract you from

your greater goal of spreading wisdom & reducing people's karma

 

seeking your blessings,

 

Sincerely,

 

Manju

________________________________

 

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology ] On Behalf Of dakshinastrologer

Tuesday, August 07, 2007 6:53 PM

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE , OBSERVED

AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER

 

 

 

Dear Shri. Manjunath:

 

If you can still respect me after all this controversies in this

group, and are willing to get initiation from me, I will be most

happy to initiate you into Gayathri mantra.

 

Of course, you will have to travel to Chennai for this.

 

Blessed be.

 

Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

vedic astrology

<vedic astrology%40> , " Manjunath, T (GE

Healthcare) " <T.Manjunath wrote:

>

> Respected Sir, Thanks for your time & explanation.

>

> Sorry to say this, i am a bit disappointed to learn that chanting

> without initiation is not advisable.

>

> incase you can recommend someone in bangalore for iniateting me,

please

> help me

> (or)

> being a guru, would you be able to initiate me incase i can travel

to

> chennai, this would be best.

> as i am raw, your word will be final & i shall follow it without

> questioning.

>

> Please advice me personally.

>

> best regards

> Manju

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> vedic astrology

<vedic astrology%40>

> [vedic astrology

<vedic astrology%40> ] On Behalf Of

dakshinastrologer

> Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:19 PM

> vedic astrology

<vedic astrology%40>

> [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE ,

OBSERVED

> AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER

>

>

>

> Dear Shri. Manjunath:

>

> The three curses to Gayathri mantra were given mainly to

> prevent " Rakshasaic " elements from getting unbridled power. So, if

> you are of a saatwik quality and you have got initiated into the

> mantra from someone, kindly keep chanting it. Otherwise, tradition

> says that it is better not to chant. I have no individual opinion

> regarding this.

>

> The best recourse for someone who wishes to avail Gayathri Grace is

> to chant the Gayathri Sahasranaamam or Gayathri Sthothram (chaalisa

> is of recent origin; in my opinion, except Hanumaan Chaalisaa

> composed by Goswami Tulsi Das, the other chaalisaas have more of a

> devotional value as they are modelled after the Hanumaan chaalisaa

> and not too much of mantrik value).

>

> Otherwise, chanting " Om Shri Gaayathryai veda maatre namah " is the

> best way.

>

> Please read through the earlier post....I have given different

> options open before you.

>

> There are some controversies like " Can a person chant Gayathri

> without upanayanam, can women chant, " etc. which I studiously avoid

> because my views will be based only on traditions which might not

be

> compatible with what you see today.

>

> A policeman uses a baton to control a crowd, but if we do it, it is

> considered manslaughter...is it not? A licensed person can drive

> vehicles while a person without license should not drive even if he

> is capable of driving! In the same way, deeksha samskaar or

> upanayanam are like license procedures.....Saapa Nivaaranam is like

> No-objection certificate or " fitness certificate " .....All these are

> important....you cannot say, I found a vehicle and I drove

> it....there is not need for license...nothing will happen, etc.

>

> Even a license person can meet with accidents, in that case

insurance

> will cover the damages; but what will happen if an unlicensed

person

> drives vehicles and gets involved in an accident? A similar analogy

> applies to mantras. Gayathri is a mahaa mantraa, and a powerful

> one. But that does not imply anyone can chant it casually. If that

> is so, why did the sages give elaborate procedures for upanayanam?

>

> By the way, Gayathri is not restricted only to Brahmins....Even non-

> Brahmins can chant Gayathri after upanayanam samskaar and getting

> initiation.

>

> For those who wish to chant Gaayathri mantra without upanayanam

there

> is a Gayathri beeja mantra (composed only of beejas and no words

> except swaahaa). You can get that rare beeja mantra from competent

> Gurus and chant it (I doubt if you can get a proper Guru who knows

> this). So sticking to the Gayathri sthothram will be best for you.

>

> Otherwise, go for the tantrik Gayathri

> " Om Veda Maatre cha vidmahe Brahma Patnyai cha deemahii

> Tanno Gaayathri prachodyaat "

>

> Anybody can chant this without any restriction and without any fear

> of curses or ritual violations.

>

> May Veda Maata Gaayathri Bless everyone.

>

> PS: Dear Group: I do not want Mr. Lalith or his admirers here

> baiting me further with non-shastraic posts on this matter any

> further. I am still posting here keeping aside my personal pain

just

> for the benefit of the group. What I have said is in consonance

with

> shaastras and on the explicity query addressed to me. Any person

> with decency will avoid jutting in between. I am waiting for mr.

> Lalith's ban yet! This is not vengeance...but the command of a

vedic

> Guru. Dharma shastra allows such actions. I have not hit him or

> done anything to him. I seek his banishment from a domain where you

> people wish me to be a Guru and guide the group. I am within my

> previleges to demand this. Otherwise, it is demeaning to my

position

> as a Guru, and unless I am a Guru, I am not obliged to share my

rare

> knowledge here. (Mr. Lalith may think any 100 Rs. book will teach

> these things; the truth is ...it is not possible. Many books

barring

> a few exceptions are poorly researched and they cannot be relied on

> intricate dharma shastraic matters).

>

> Blessed be.

> Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

> vedic astrology

<vedic astrology%40>

> <vedic astrology%40> , " Manjunath, T (GE

> Healthcare) " <T.Manjunath@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri. Pandit Dakshinamoorthi,

> >

> > Vanakkam, Please accept my sincere respects.

> > As a learner, many of your posts are highly educative & your

> > articulation & writing style is greatly admired.

> >

> > sir, your below mail on gayatri has confused me & therefore am

> writing

> > to you. i was planning to resume chanting this mantra shortly (

> again

> > mainly prompted by the mails in the group)

> >

> > As a hindu non-brahmin, not acquainted with tradition & initiation

> > rituals, what can a average person chant.

> > i have even read ( not sure where) that un-initiated persons chant

> > gayatri by not chanting OM in the beginning of the mantra

> >

> > My request & query is to clarify how one can chant Gayatri

without

> the

> > adverse effects.

> >

> > Kindly write in leisure & help us all as much details time

permits

> you.

> > even suggestions of books to read, place to get initiation

> > in bangalore will help, my wife can read tamil, so pls. suggest

> > accordingly

> >

> > i have a different query on murugan yantra which i shall request

> > separately

> > am a noh brahmin hindu, vegetarian since 1.5 years, non smoker &

do

> not

> > use liquor.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > with best wishes & pranaams,

> >

> > Manju

> >

> > PS : for the group going-on's .. last night i remembered a

> statement

> > in tamil, am writing a rough translation, its a general statment

&

> not

> > specific to anybody.

> >

> > " Those who believe you... No explanation is needed. Those who do

> not

> > believe you, No explanation can suffice "

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> > vedic astrology

<vedic astrology%40>

> <vedic astrology%40>

> > [vedic astrology

<vedic astrology%40>

> <vedic astrology%40> ] On Behalf Of

> dakshinastrologer

> > Monday, August 06, 2007 10:25 PM

> > vedic astrology

<vedic astrology%40>

> <vedic astrology%40>

> > [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE ,

> OBSERVED

> > AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Shri. Chidambaram:

> >

> > Powerful mantras usually have a Utkeelana mantra or saapa

nivaarana

> > mantra to get them activated and to remove the curses associated

> with

> > them.

> >

> > In fact the Great Gayathri mantra has 3 curses - Brahma saapa,

> > Vasishta saapa, and Viswaamitra saapa. This was because anyone

> > chanting the Gaayatri mantra can attain great siddhis, and such

> power

> > in the hands of persons with wrong attitudes can be disastrous to

> the

> > more pacific living entities including " gods and demi-gods " .

Thus,

> > anyone chanting the Gaayathri mantra without saapa vimochana

mantra

> > will actually not experience its full wonders. And those who

chant

> > it without initiation will actually experience many obstacles and

> > dangers! It is stated in Viswamitra Samhita - Gaayathri paddati.

> >

> > " Saapa yuktaatu Gaayathri Chartur Varga phalaandakaa

> > Saapa muktaatu Gaayathri chatur varga phalpradaa "

> >

> > Means Gaayathri with Saapa (i.e without removal of curse) will

> cause

> > destruction of 4 fold attainments of life (Dharma - Righteous

> living,

> > Artha - righteous earning of money, Kaama - righteous enjoyment

of

> > luxuries and pleasures, mokshaa - ultimate liberation), whereas

> > Gaayathri relieved of the curses will cause gain of the 4 fold

> > attainments.

> >

> > This injunction does not apply to those who do Gaayathri after

> > upanayanam where the relevant mantras of activation are anyhow

> > chanted. Even for these persons, the higher siddhis of the

Gayathri

> > mantra are locked if they chant the Gayathri without saapa

> nivaarana

> > mantra.

> >

> > Again, when mantraas are chanted, we should offer respects to the

> > Rishis (mantra drushtaas - seers of the mantra who first

identified

> > the mantra with their yogic vision); during the deeksha, naandi

> homam

> > is to be done to honour one's ancestors - When a person is about

to

> > set foot in the path of spirituality, all his ancestors are happy

> and

> > will congregate in that place of deeksha earnestly. So, they

should

> > be honoured auspiciously and their blessings should be sought.

Then

> > one should make " Japa prathignyaa " means declaration that this is

> the

> > purpose of the deekshaa and I will definitely be regular in my

> > chantings and will use my power only for good purposes. Slipping

in

> > this promise after getting siddhis has been the nemesis of many

> > mantra shaastra experts.

> >

> > Usually one should select one particular Deity (whatever it is)

> > either according to one's family customs or using astrological

> > methods to check Ishta/ phalana devataas, or by using one's own

> > intuition and natural predisposition to pray to a particular

Deity.

> > The upaasanaa of that deity should be done after getting proper

> > deekshaa which will ensure speedy perfection.

> >

> > For an accomplished practitioner, it will be hardly a matter of

> half

> > an hour of preliminary mantrik routines, and then they can

> > concentrate on mantra japam as per their time availability and

> > convenience. During emergencies these procedures can be shortened.

> >

> > But,it is better to have a utkeelanam or saapa nivaaranam or

> kavacha

> > upadesham (most advanced mantras require kavacha recital before

> > chanting of moola mantraas) initiated at least once before one

> > proceeds with endless repetitions of mantras. If it could not be

> > done in the initial stages, at least when one reaches significant

> > land marks like 1 lakh japams, 24 lakh japams, or 1 crore japam

> > counts, they may have these special elements initiated which will

> > immediately unlock the stored potential of all the japams give

> > intense mystic experiences. Detailed procedures like yoginii

> > nyaasam, aksharaa nyaasam (meditating on different aksharaas in

> > different parts of the body as per traditions), etc. are also

done

> > during deeksha which helps the body to resonate well with the

> mantra

> > being chanted.Advanced spiritual Gurus are capable of giving such

> an

> > experience by direct transfer of their power to the sishyaa. In

> such

> > a case, utkeelanam, kavacham, saapa nivaaranam, etc. are not

> > necessary at all!

> >

> > For most common mantras, the use of anga nyaasam, kara nyaasam,

and

> > dig bandanam is enough; these procedures will be automatically

> given

> > in most standard works.

> >

> > Blessed be.

> > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> >

> > vedic astrology

<vedic astrology%40>

> <vedic astrology%40>

> > <vedic astrology%40> , nagarajan

chidambaram

> > <ngrjn_chidambaram@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Panditji,

> > >

> > > Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience.

> > >

> > > I have been very closely following your posts and replies in

this

> > group for the past one year and have had the getting a deeper

> > understanding on the subjects discussed.

> > >

> > > I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the

right

> > way to chant a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have

been

> > locked by the creators just like a software being locked in a way

> > that it can be used only by the user knowing the key. That is to

> say

> > that every mantra has a key and unless the person chanting the

> mantra

> > uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am told that

even

> > the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only

with

> > the use of the appropriate key.

> > >

> > > How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of

your

> > stature.

> > >

> > > I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of

the

> > right usage of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and

> help

> > humanity regain the lost science of using the vibrational science

> for

> > the benefit of mankind.

> > >

> > > Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my

> humble

> > and earnest prayer enlighten me.

> > >

> > > Your humble admirer,

> > >

> > > Nagaajan.C

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click

> > here

> > >

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Dear Shri. Bharat:

 

If you read my earlier post on this, it will be clear....the curses

were so that " rakshasaic elements " do not get the full potential of

the chanting. Rakshasaas do not necessarily mean eery monsters with

long fangs and big body! Anyone who harasses others unnecessarily is

a raakshasaa! Anyone who trashes shaastraas and claims his philosophy

is superior is a raakshasaa! Anyone who is uncomfortable in the

presence of dharmic persons and tries to harass them is a raakshasaa!

Anyone who " steals " knowledge (pilfering information from internet

without acknowledging the source, not respecting a Guru but

exploiting the knowledge from his posts) is a raakshasaa...Anybody

who keeps on criticizing others without any noble reason but out of

jealousy and personal enmity baselessly spoiling the serene

atmosphere of a place by dragging people on and on into controversies

even after they stop arguing, etc. is a raakshasaa.....

 

Raakshasaic elements believe in mantrik power and occult, but they do

not believe in innate goodness of man and the Grace of God. So, they

will chant mantras at any time and everytime without caring whether

such chants will be good for the world.(astrologically certain days

are tabooed for vedic recitals, like ashtami, Navami, etc. These

days are used for other poojas and learning vedic portions are

stopped on those days because it is inauspicious not merely to the

chanter but to the whole world in subtle ways; I have observed that

this is not being followed now-a-days). Tapasya never goes in vain.

Even greatest sinners can attain siddhis......Please note, presence

of siddhi in a person is not an evidence of their

nobility....Raakshasaas had inborn siddhis! You will find that in

nature, those who do mistakes are more persistent than those with

noble habits.

 

Those who support a noble cause will just say one or two words and

move away with pain that they are not able to help matters. But

rakshasic elements will never leave a matter. It is their strength

and weakness.

 

Coming to Gayathri saadhanaa, if raakshasaas chant the mantra which

is the BEST of all mantraas, and get siddhi in that, they will never

be vanquished. The sages who insisted on " Vaasudaiva Kudumbakam "

also knew that certain disruptive elements should be cut off from

that circle. So, they thought that raakshasic elements should not

get the full benefit of the mantra which might be dangerous to

others. Hence those 3 Great Souls gave curses to the Holy Gaayathri

mantra. The weakness of the raakshasaas is that they can keep on

doing things persistently, but if you insist on procedures and proper

way, they cannot do that, because their arrogance will prevent them

from following set disciplines......So, naturally when these curses

were placed on Gaayathri mantra, the potency of the mantra was saved

from bad elements who will happily chant without curse removal and

will trash all such suggestions, and thus be denied the full benefit

of the recital so that the effect of the Gaayathri which is supposed

to grant all desires including final emancipation of the soul will be

curtailed in those cases and will stop with giving mundane benefits

which are changeable (Once a person attain mundane benefits out of

japa power, the japa siddhi gets reduced just as bank balance gets

reduced after withdrawal; however, if a person gets aatma siddhi -

Enlightenment, then the tapasya power is increased and not

decreased!) Thus raakshasic elements from those days (when the

Gaayathri was first revealed to the Great Sage Viswaamitraa) to the

present period have been doing mantra without curse removal and are

restricted in enjoying the full scope of the mantra. Great souls

have from that period to the current date have been following those

guidelines scrupulously and are getting benefitted by that.

 

In matters of spirituality, till we attain a stage where we ourselves

are Enlightened, it is best to follow the guidelines stipulated by

the Rishis. They have codified those procedures only for our benefit.

There are two samhitas that can explain the correct process of Devi

Gayathri worship - one is Viswaamitra Samhitaa, and the other is

Vasishta Samhitaa. Viswaamitra samhitaa is more elaborate.

 

You might get those rare books from good Indological Libraries; there

is the possibility of printing mistakes, etc. which persons already

well-versed in those traditions can easily find out. The books can

be just used as guides and reference manuals. But, those who rely

only on the books without any traditional experience might stumble

and fall prey to the effects of wrong chants (mispronounced chants).

Moreover, there is one thing called " oral tradition " in this great

country. Most of the spiritual secrets are closely guarded in palm

leafs - STILL only to save them from the prying eyes of " knowledge

thieves " who will start strutting around with false pride after

reading them with half-baked intelligence. Those secrets are given

only to suitable recipients. There are cases, when fathers have

refused to initiate their own sons in some mantras! because they

found them not suitable, but the mantra would pass on to a more

capable and worthy student! There is no socialism in mantra

shaastraa....all are not equal. It is by one's attitude and real

capabilities that one can earn such knowledges...They cannot be

bought with money.

 

Blessed be.

Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

 

vedic astrology , Bharat Varma <ffmbvarma

wrote:

>

> just out of curiosity, why would the divine people curse gayatri

for. I thought they themselves practised gayatri and were able to

spiritually grow to a level where no ordinary man would have reached.

I was searching the net for stories related to this curse but found

none. So if somebody can enligten on this.

>

> I used to watch a program on zee and in tht a lady also said the

same that she practised some 64000 odd times (i dont remember the

number) but she suffered bad luck after the completion of the mantra

and this was addressed to some tantrik practisioner. I dont remember

exactly what he said but i guess he said she shld have done one more

mantra to balance the power of gayatri.

>

> Bharat

>

>

>

>

> Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro

> vedic astrology

> Tuesday, August 7, 2007 6:39:13 PM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE ,

OBSERVED AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER

>

> ll HARE RAM ll

> Pandit Dakshinamoorthi ji,

> I am completely agreed with you that Gayatri Mantra is needed some

protocol before chanting as to remove curses of Brahma,Vashistha,

Visvamitra & Shukra and later doing proper visarjana otherwise it can

be harmful.It is not the Mahamantra given in " Kulsantaran " Upnishad

like " HARE RAM HARE RAM RAM RAM HARE HARE,HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA

KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE " that can be chanted by any one and any

position.Gayatri Mantra is called the mother of all mantras.Even to

add Samputa of Gayatri Mantra makes one Mantra so powerful.

>

> Regards

> Shashie Shekhar

>

>

> dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ .co. in> wrote:

> Dear Shri. Manjunath:

>

> The three curses to Gayathri mantra were given mainly to

> prevent " Rakshasaic " elements from getting unbridled power. So, if

> you are of a saatwik quality and you have got initiated into the

> mantra from someone, kindly keep chanting it. Otherwise, tradition

> says that it is better not to chant. I have no individual opinion

> regarding this.

>

> The best recourse for someone who wishes to avail Gayathri Grace is

> to chant the Gayathri Sahasranaamam or Gayathri Sthothram (chaalisa

> is of recent origin; in my opinion, except Hanumaan Chaalisaa

> composed by Goswami Tulsi Das, the other chaalisaas have more of a

> devotional value as they are modelled after the Hanumaan chaalisaa

> and not too much of mantrik value).

>

> Otherwise, chanting " Om Shri Gaayathryai veda maatre namah " is the

> best way.

>

> Please read through the earlier post....I have given different

> options open before you.

>

> There are some controversies like " Can a person chant Gayathri

> without upanayanam, can women chant, " etc. which I studiously avoid

> because my views will be based only on traditions which might not

be

> compatible with what you see today.

>

> A policeman uses a baton to control a crowd, but if we do it, it is

> considered manslaughter. ..is it not? A licensed person can drive

> vehicles while a person without license should not drive even if he

> is capable of driving! In the same way, deeksha samskaar or

> upanayanam are like license procedures.. ...Saapa Nivaaranam is

like

> No-objection certificate or " fitness certificate " .....All these

are

> important... .you cannot say, I found a vehicle and I drove

> it....there is not need for license...nothing will happen, etc.

>

> Even a license person can meet with accidents, in that case

insurance

> will cover the damages; but what will happen if an unlicensed

person

> drives vehicles and gets involved in an accident? A similar analogy

> applies to mantras. Gayathri is a mahaa mantraa, and a powerful

> one. But that does not imply anyone can chant it casually. If that

> is so, why did the sages give elaborate procedures for upanayanam?

>

> By the way, Gayathri is not restricted only to Brahmins.... Even

non-

> Brahmins can chant Gayathri after upanayanam samskaar and getting

> initiation.

>

> For those who wish to chant Gaayathri mantra without upanayanam

there

> is a Gayathri beeja mantra (composed only of beejas and no words

> except swaahaa). You can get that rare beeja mantra from competent

> Gurus and chant it (I doubt if you can get a proper Guru who knows

> this). So sticking to the Gayathri sthothram will be best for you.

>

> Otherwise, go for the tantrik Gayathri

> " Om Veda Maatre cha vidmahe Brahma Patnyai cha deemahii

> Tanno Gaayathri prachodyaat "

>

> Anybody can chant this without any restriction and without any fear

> of curses or ritual violations.

>

> May Veda Maata Gaayathri Bless everyone.

>

> PS: Dear Group: I do not want Mr. Lalith or his admirers here

> baiting me further with non-shastraic posts on this matter any

> further. I am still posting here keeping aside my personal pain

just

> for the benefit of the group. What I have said is in consonance

with

> shaastras and on the explicity query addressed to me. Any person

> with decency will avoid jutting in between. I am waiting for mr.

> Lalith's ban yet! This is not vengeance... but the command of a

vedic

> Guru. Dharma shastra allows such actions. I have not hit him or

> done anything to him. I seek his banishment from a domain where you

> people wish me to be a Guru and guide the group. I am within my

> previleges to demand this. Otherwise, it is demeaning to my

position

> as a Guru, and unless I am a Guru, I am not obliged to share my

rare

> knowledge here. (Mr. Lalith may think any 100 Rs. book will teach

> these things; the truth is ...it is not possible. Many books

barring

> a few exceptions are poorly researched and they cannot be relied on

> intricate dharma shastraic matters).

>

> Blessed be.

> Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

> vedic astrology, " Manjunath, T (GE

> Healthcare) " wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri. Pandit Dakshinamoorthi,

> >

> > Vanakkam, Please accept my sincere respects.

> > As a learner, many of your posts are highly educative & your

> > articulation & writing style is greatly admired.

> >

> > sir, your below mail on gayatri has confused me & therefore am

> writing

> > to you. i was planning to resume chanting this mantra shortly (

> again

> > mainly prompted by the mails in the group)

> >

> > As a hindu non-brahmin, not acquainted with tradition & initiation

> > rituals, what can a average person chant.

> > i have even read ( not sure where) that un-initiated persons chant

> > gayatri by not chanting OM in the beginning of the mantra

> >

> > My request & query is to clarify how one can chant Gayatri

without

> the

> > adverse effects.

> >

> > Kindly write in leisure & help us all as much details time

permits

> you.

> > even suggestions of books to read, place to get initiation

> > in bangalore will help, my wife can read tamil, so pls. suggest

> > accordingly

> >

> > i have a different query on murugan yantra which i shall request

> > separately

> > am a noh brahmin hindu, vegetarian since 1.5 years, non smoker &

do

> not

> > use liquor.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > with best wishes & pranaams,

> >

> > Manju

> >

> > PS : for the group going-on's .. last night i remembered a

> statement

> > in tamil, am writing a rough translation, its a general statment

&

> not

> > specific to anybody.

> >

> > " Those who believe you... No explanation is needed. Those who do

> not

> > believe you, No explanation can suffice "

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >

> > vedic astrology

> > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of

> dakshinastrologer

> > Monday, August 06, 2007 10:25 PM

> > vedic astrology

> > [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE ,

> OBSERVED

> > AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Shri. Chidambaram:

> >

> > Powerful mantras usually have a Utkeelana mantra or saapa

nivaarana

> > mantra to get them activated and to remove the curses associated

> with

> > them.

> >

> > In fact the Great Gayathri mantra has 3 curses - Brahma saapa,

> > Vasishta saapa, and Viswaamitra saapa. This was because anyone

> > chanting the Gaayatri mantra can attain great siddhis, and such

> power

> > in the hands of persons with wrong attitudes can be disastrous to

> the

> > more pacific living entities including " gods and demi-gods " .

Thus,

> > anyone chanting the Gaayathri mantra without saapa vimochana

mantra

> > will actually not experience its full wonders. And those who

chant

> > it without initiation will actually experience many obstacles and

> > dangers! It is stated in Viswamitra Samhita - Gaayathri paddati.

> >

> > " Saapa yuktaatu Gaayathri Chartur Varga phalaandakaa

> > Saapa muktaatu Gaayathri chatur varga phalpradaa "

> >

> > Means Gaayathri with Saapa (i.e without removal of curse) will

> cause

> > destruction of 4 fold attainments of life (Dharma - Righteous

> living,

> > Artha - righteous earning of money, Kaama - righteous enjoyment

of

> > luxuries and pleasures, mokshaa - ultimate liberation), whereas

> > Gaayathri relieved of the curses will cause gain of the 4 fold

> > attainments.

> >

> > This injunction does not apply to those who do Gaayathri after

> > upanayanam where the relevant mantras of activation are anyhow

> > chanted. Even for these persons, the higher siddhis of the

Gayathri

> > mantra are locked if they chant the Gayathri without saapa

> nivaarana

> > mantra.

> >

> > Again, when mantraas are chanted, we should offer respects to the

> > Rishis (mantra drushtaas - seers of the mantra who first

identified

> > the mantra with their yogic vision); during the deeksha, naandi

> homam

> > is to be done to honour one's ancestors - When a person is about

to

> > set foot in the path of spirituality, all his ancestors are happy

> and

> > will congregate in that place of deeksha earnestly. So, they

should

> > be honoured auspiciously and their blessings should be sought.

Then

> > one should make " Japa prathignyaa " means declaration that this is

> the

> > purpose of the deekshaa and I will definitely be regular in my

> > chantings and will use my power only for good purposes. Slipping

in

> > this promise after getting siddhis has been the nemesis of many

> > mantra shaastra experts.

> >

> > Usually one should select one particular Deity (whatever it is)

> > either according to one's family customs or using astrological

> > methods to check Ishta/ phalana devataas, or by using one's own

> > intuition and natural predisposition to pray to a particular

Deity.

> > The upaasanaa of that deity should be done after getting proper

> > deekshaa which will ensure speedy perfection.

> >

> > For an accomplished practitioner, it will be hardly a matter of

> half

> > an hour of preliminary mantrik routines, and then they can

> > concentrate on mantra japam as per their time availability and

> > convenience. During emergencies these procedures can be shortened.

> >

> > But,it is better to have a utkeelanam or saapa nivaaranam or

> kavacha

> > upadesham (most advanced mantras require kavacha recital before

> > chanting of moola mantraas) initiated at least once before one

> > proceeds with endless repetitions of mantras. If it could not be

> > done in the initial stages, at least when one reaches significant

> > land marks like 1 lakh japams, 24 lakh japams, or 1 crore japam

> > counts, they may have these special elements initiated which will

> > immediately unlock the stored potential of all the japams give

> > intense mystic experiences. Detailed procedures like yoginii

> > nyaasam, aksharaa nyaasam (meditating on different aksharaas in

> > different parts of the body as per traditions), etc. are also

done

> > during deeksha which helps the body to resonate well with the

> mantra

> > being chanted.Advanced spiritual Gurus are capable of giving such

> an

> > experience by direct transfer of their power to the sishyaa. In

> such

> > a case, utkeelanam, kavacham, saapa nivaaranam, etc. are not

> > necessary at all!

> >

> > For most common mantras, the use of anga nyaasam, kara nyaasam,

and

> > dig bandanam is enough; these procedures will be automatically

> given

> > in most standard works.

> >

> > Blessed be.

> > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> >

> > vedic astrology

> > , nagarajan chidambaram

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Panditji,

> > >

> > > Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience.

> > >

> > > I have been very closely following your posts and replies in

this

> > group for the past one year and have had the getting a deeper

> > understanding on the subjects discussed.

> > >

> > > I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the

right

> > way to chant a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have

been

> > locked by the creators just like a software being locked in a way

> > that it can be used only by the user knowing the key. That is to

> say

> > that every mantra has a key and unless the person chanting the

> mantra

> > uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am told that

even

> > the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only

with

> > the use of the appropriate key.

> > >

> > > How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of

your

> > stature.

> > >

> > > I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of

the

> > right usage of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and

> help

> > humanity regain the lost science of using the vibrational science

> for

> > the benefit of mankind.

> > >

> > > Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my

> humble

> > and earnest prayer enlighten me.

> > >

> > > Your humble admirer,

> > >

> > > Nagaajan.C

> > >

> > >

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Thank you pandit ji for the info. I was doing the saptashati for the past 2 yrs

everyday and i always used to think tht something was missing in it. Now when i

have read each page closely, in the beginning itself the publications has given

the vishwamitra shapavimochana. (I hope this is the same for gayatri mantra

too). I never read these few pages and used to skip them. From today i strted

reading the vimochana too. May mother durga bless the initiator of this topic

who has made me realize the mistake i was doing for two yrs.

 

 

Bharat

 

 

 

dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer

vedic astrology

Tuesday, August 7, 2007 10:42:37 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE , OBSERVED AND

EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Shri. Bharat:

 

 

 

If you read my earlier post on this, it will be clear....the curses

 

were so that " rakshasaic elements " do not get the full potential of

 

the chanting. Rakshasaas do not necessarily mean eery monsters with

 

long fangs and big body! Anyone who harasses others unnecessarily is

 

a raakshasaa! Anyone who trashes shaastraas and claims his philosophy

 

is superior is a raakshasaa! Anyone who is uncomfortable in the

 

presence of dharmic persons and tries to harass them is a raakshasaa!

 

Anyone who " steals " knowledge (pilfering information from internet

 

without acknowledging the source, not respecting a Guru but

 

exploiting the knowledge from his posts) is a raakshasaa.. .Anybody

 

who keeps on criticizing others without any noble reason but out of

 

jealousy and personal enmity baselessly spoiling the serene

 

atmosphere of a place by dragging people on and on into controversies

 

even after they stop arguing, etc. is a raakshasaa.. ...

 

 

 

Raakshasaic elements believe in mantrik power and occult, but they do

 

not believe in innate goodness of man and the Grace of God. So, they

 

will chant mantras at any time and everytime without caring whether

 

such chants will be good for the world.(astrological ly certain days

 

are tabooed for vedic recitals, like ashtami, Navami, etc. These

 

days are used for other poojas and learning vedic portions are

 

stopped on those days because it is inauspicious not merely to the

 

chanter but to the whole world in subtle ways; I have observed that

 

this is not being followed now-a-days). Tapasya never goes in vain.

 

Even greatest sinners can attain siddhis..... .Please note, presence

 

of siddhi in a person is not an evidence of their

 

nobility.... Raakshasaas had inborn siddhis! You will find that in

 

nature, those who do mistakes are more persistent than those with

 

noble habits.

 

 

 

Those who support a noble cause will just say one or two words and

 

move away with pain that they are not able to help matters. But

 

rakshasic elements will never leave a matter. It is their strength

 

and weakness.

 

 

 

Coming to Gayathri saadhanaa, if raakshasaas chant the mantra which

 

is the BEST of all mantraas, and get siddhi in that, they will never

 

be vanquished. The sages who insisted on " Vaasudaiva Kudumbakam "

 

also knew that certain disruptive elements should be cut off from

 

that circle. So, they thought that raakshasic elements should not

 

get the full benefit of the mantra which might be dangerous to

 

others. Hence those 3 Great Souls gave curses to the Holy Gaayathri

 

mantra. The weakness of the raakshasaas is that they can keep on

 

doing things persistently, but if you insist on procedures and proper

 

way, they cannot do that, because their arrogance will prevent them

 

from following set disciplines. .....So, naturally when these curses

 

were placed on Gaayathri mantra, the potency of the mantra was saved

 

from bad elements who will happily chant without curse removal and

 

will trash all such suggestions, and thus be denied the full benefit

 

of the recital so that the effect of the Gaayathri which is supposed

 

to grant all desires including final emancipation of the soul will be

 

curtailed in those cases and will stop with giving mundane benefits

 

which are changeable (Once a person attain mundane benefits out of

 

japa power, the japa siddhi gets reduced just as bank balance gets

 

reduced after withdrawal; however, if a person gets aatma siddhi -

 

Enlightenment, then the tapasya power is increased and not

 

decreased!) Thus raakshasic elements from those days (when the

 

Gaayathri was first revealed to the Great Sage Viswaamitraa) to the

 

present period have been doing mantra without curse removal and are

 

restricted in enjoying the full scope of the mantra. Great souls

 

have from that period to the current date have been following those

 

guidelines scrupulously and are getting benefitted by that.

 

 

 

In matters of spirituality, till we attain a stage where we ourselves

 

are Enlightened, it is best to follow the guidelines stipulated by

 

the Rishis. They have codified those procedures only for our benefit.

 

There are two samhitas that can explain the correct process of Devi

 

Gayathri worship - one is Viswaamitra Samhitaa, and the other is

 

Vasishta Samhitaa. Viswaamitra samhitaa is more elaborate.

 

 

 

You might get those rare books from good Indological Libraries; there

 

is the possibility of printing mistakes, etc. which persons already

 

well-versed in those traditions can easily find out. The books can

 

be just used as guides and reference manuals. But, those who rely

 

only on the books without any traditional experience might stumble

 

and fall prey to the effects of wrong chants (mispronounced chants).

 

Moreover, there is one thing called " oral tradition " in this great

 

country. Most of the spiritual secrets are closely guarded in palm

 

leafs - STILL only to save them from the prying eyes of " knowledge

 

thieves " who will start strutting around with false pride after

 

reading them with half-baked intelligence. Those secrets are given

 

only to suitable recipients. There are cases, when fathers have

 

refused to initiate their own sons in some mantras! because they

 

found them not suitable, but the mantra would pass on to a more

 

capable and worthy student! There is no socialism in mantra

 

shaastraa... .all are not equal. It is by one's attitude and real

 

capabilities that one can earn such knowledges.. .They cannot be

 

bought with money.

 

 

 

Blessed be.

 

Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

 

 

vedic astrology, Bharat Varma <ffmbvarma@. ..>

 

wrote:

 

>

 

> just out of curiosity, why would the divine people curse gayatri

 

for. I thought they themselves practised gayatri and were able to

 

spiritually grow to a level where no ordinary man would have reached.

 

I was searching the net for stories related to this curse but found

 

none. So if somebody can enligten on this.

 

>

 

> I used to watch a program on zee and in tht a lady also said the

 

same that she practised some 64000 odd times (i dont remember the

 

number) but she suffered bad luck after the completion of the mantra

 

and this was addressed to some tantrik practisioner. I dont remember

 

exactly what he said but i guess he said she shld have done one more

 

mantra to balance the power of gayatri.

 

>

 

> Bharat

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro@ ...>

 

> vedic astrology

 

> Tuesday, August 7, 2007 6:39:13 PM

 

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE ,

 

OBSERVED AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER

 

>

 

> ll HARE RAM ll

 

> Pandit Dakshinamoorthi ji,

 

> I am completely agreed with you that Gayatri Mantra is needed some

 

protocol before chanting as to remove curses of Brahma,Vashistha,

 

Visvamitra & Shukra and later doing proper visarjana otherwise it can

 

be harmful.It is not the Mahamantra given in " Kulsantaran " Upnishad

 

like " HARE RAM HARE RAM RAM RAM HARE HARE,HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA

 

KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE " that can be chanted by any one and any

 

position.Gayatri Mantra is called the mother of all mantras.Even to

 

add Samputa of Gayatri Mantra makes one Mantra so powerful.

 

>

 

> Regards

 

> Shashie Shekhar

 

>

 

>

 

> dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ .co. in> wrote:

 

> Dear Shri. Manjunath:

 

>

 

> The three curses to Gayathri mantra were given mainly to

 

> prevent " Rakshasaic " elements from getting unbridled power. So, if

 

> you are of a saatwik quality and you have got initiated into the

 

> mantra from someone, kindly keep chanting it. Otherwise, tradition

 

> says that it is better not to chant. I have no individual opinion

 

> regarding this.

 

>

 

> The best recourse for someone who wishes to avail Gayathri Grace is

 

> to chant the Gayathri Sahasranaamam or Gayathri Sthothram (chaalisa

 

> is of recent origin; in my opinion, except Hanumaan Chaalisaa

 

> composed by Goswami Tulsi Das, the other chaalisaas have more of a

 

> devotional value as they are modelled after the Hanumaan chaalisaa

 

> and not too much of mantrik value).

 

>

 

> Otherwise, chanting " Om Shri Gaayathryai veda maatre namah " is the

 

> best way.

 

>

 

> Please read through the earlier post....I have given different

 

> options open before you.

 

>

 

> There are some controversies like " Can a person chant Gayathri

 

> without upanayanam, can women chant, " etc. which I studiously avoid

 

> because my views will be based only on traditions which might not

 

be

 

> compatible with what you see today.

 

>

 

> A policeman uses a baton to control a crowd, but if we do it, it is

 

> considered manslaughter. ..is it not? A licensed person can drive

 

> vehicles while a person without license should not drive even if he

 

> is capable of driving! In the same way, deeksha samskaar or

 

> upanayanam are like license procedures.. ...Saapa Nivaaranam is

 

like

 

> No-objection certificate or " fitness certificate " .....All these

 

are

 

> important... .you cannot say, I found a vehicle and I drove

 

> it....there is not need for license...nothing will happen, etc.

 

>

 

> Even a license person can meet with accidents, in that case

 

insurance

 

> will cover the damages; but what will happen if an unlicensed

 

person

 

> drives vehicles and gets involved in an accident? A similar analogy

 

> applies to mantras. Gayathri is a mahaa mantraa, and a powerful

 

> one. But that does not imply anyone can chant it casually. If that

 

> is so, why did the sages give elaborate procedures for upanayanam?

 

>

 

> By the way, Gayathri is not restricted only to Brahmins.... Even

 

non-

 

> Brahmins can chant Gayathri after upanayanam samskaar and getting

 

> initiation.

 

>

 

> For those who wish to chant Gaayathri mantra without upanayanam

 

there

 

> is a Gayathri beeja mantra (composed only of beejas and no words

 

> except swaahaa). You can get that rare beeja mantra from competent

 

> Gurus and chant it (I doubt if you can get a proper Guru who knows

 

> this). So sticking to the Gayathri sthothram will be best for you.

 

>

 

> Otherwise, go for the tantrik Gayathri

 

> " Om Veda Maatre cha vidmahe Brahma Patnyai cha deemahii

 

> Tanno Gaayathri prachodyaat "

 

>

 

> Anybody can chant this without any restriction and without any fear

 

> of curses or ritual violations.

 

>

 

> May Veda Maata Gaayathri Bless everyone.

 

>

 

> PS: Dear Group: I do not want Mr. Lalith or his admirers here

 

> baiting me further with non-shastraic posts on this matter any

 

> further. I am still posting here keeping aside my personal pain

 

just

 

> for the benefit of the group. What I have said is in consonance

 

with

 

> shaastras and on the explicity query addressed to me. Any person

 

> with decency will avoid jutting in between. I am waiting for mr.

 

> Lalith's ban yet! This is not vengeance... but the command of a

 

vedic

 

> Guru. Dharma shastra allows such actions. I have not hit him or

 

> done anything to him. I seek his banishment from a domain where you

 

> people wish me to be a Guru and guide the group. I am within my

 

> previleges to demand this. Otherwise, it is demeaning to my

 

position

 

> as a Guru, and unless I am a Guru, I am not obliged to share my

 

rare

 

> knowledge here. (Mr. Lalith may think any 100 Rs. book will teach

 

> these things; the truth is ...it is not possible. Many books

 

barring

 

> a few exceptions are poorly researched and they cannot be relied on

 

> intricate dharma shastraic matters).

 

>

 

> Blessed be.

 

> Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

>

 

> vedic astrology, " Manjunath, T (GE

 

> Healthcare) " wrote:

 

> >

 

> > Dear Shri. Pandit Dakshinamoorthi,

 

> >

 

> > Vanakkam, Please accept my sincere respects.

 

> > As a learner, many of your posts are highly educative & your

 

> > articulation & writing style is greatly admired.

 

> >

 

> > sir, your below mail on gayatri has confused me & therefore am

 

> writing

 

> > to you. i was planning to resume chanting this mantra shortly (

 

> again

 

> > mainly prompted by the mails in the group)

 

> >

 

> > As a hindu non-brahmin, not acquainted with tradition & initiation

 

> > rituals, what can a average person chant.

 

> > i have even read ( not sure where) that un-initiated persons chant

 

> > gayatri by not chanting OM in the beginning of the mantra

 

> >

 

> > My request & query is to clarify how one can chant Gayatri

 

without

 

> the

 

> > adverse effects.

 

> >

 

> > Kindly write in leisure & help us all as much details time

 

permits

 

> you.

 

> > even suggestions of books to read, place to get initiation

 

> > in bangalore will help, my wife can read tamil, so pls. suggest

 

> > accordingly

 

> >

 

> > i have a different query on murugan yantra which i shall request

 

> > separately

 

> > am a noh brahmin hindu, vegetarian since 1.5 years, non smoker &

 

do

 

> not

 

> > use liquor.

 

> >

 

> > Sincerely,

 

> > with best wishes & pranaams,

 

> >

 

> > Manju

 

> >

 

> > PS : for the group going-on's .. last night i remembered a

 

> statement

 

> > in tamil, am writing a rough translation, its a general statment

 

&

 

> not

 

> > specific to anybody.

 

> >

 

> > " Those who believe you... No explanation is needed. Those who do

 

> not

 

> > believe you, No explanation can suffice "

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> >

 

> > vedic astrology

 

> > [vedic- astrology] On Behalf Of

 

> dakshinastrologer

 

> > Monday, August 06, 2007 10:25 PM

 

> > vedic astrology

 

> > [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE ,

 

> OBSERVED

 

> > AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > Dear Shri. Chidambaram:

 

> >

 

> > Powerful mantras usually have a Utkeelana mantra or saapa

 

nivaarana

 

> > mantra to get them activated and to remove the curses associated

 

> with

 

> > them.

 

> >

 

> > In fact the Great Gayathri mantra has 3 curses - Brahma saapa,

 

> > Vasishta saapa, and Viswaamitra saapa. This was because anyone

 

> > chanting the Gaayatri mantra can attain great siddhis, and such

 

> power

 

> > in the hands of persons with wrong attitudes can be disastrous to

 

> the

 

> > more pacific living entities including " gods and demi-gods " .

 

Thus,

 

> > anyone chanting the Gaayathri mantra without saapa vimochana

 

mantra

 

> > will actually not experience its full wonders. And those who

 

chant

 

> > it without initiation will actually experience many obstacles and

 

> > dangers! It is stated in Viswamitra Samhita - Gaayathri paddati.

 

> >

 

> > " Saapa yuktaatu Gaayathri Chartur Varga phalaandakaa

 

> > Saapa muktaatu Gaayathri chatur varga phalpradaa "

 

> >

 

> > Means Gaayathri with Saapa (i.e without removal of curse) will

 

> cause

 

> > destruction of 4 fold attainments of life (Dharma - Righteous

 

> living,

 

> > Artha - righteous earning of money, Kaama - righteous enjoyment

 

of

 

> > luxuries and pleasures, mokshaa - ultimate liberation), whereas

 

> > Gaayathri relieved of the curses will cause gain of the 4 fold

 

> > attainments.

 

> >

 

> > This injunction does not apply to those who do Gaayathri after

 

> > upanayanam where the relevant mantras of activation are anyhow

 

> > chanted. Even for these persons, the higher siddhis of the

 

Gayathri

 

> > mantra are locked if they chant the Gayathri without saapa

 

> nivaarana

 

> > mantra.

 

> >

 

> > Again, when mantraas are chanted, we should offer respects to the

 

> > Rishis (mantra drushtaas - seers of the mantra who first

 

identified

 

> > the mantra with their yogic vision); during the deeksha, naandi

 

> homam

 

> > is to be done to honour one's ancestors - When a person is about

 

to

 

> > set foot in the path of spirituality, all his ancestors are happy

 

> and

 

> > will congregate in that place of deeksha earnestly. So, they

 

should

 

> > be honoured auspiciously and their blessings should be sought.

 

Then

 

> > one should make " Japa prathignyaa " means declaration that this is

 

> the

 

> > purpose of the deekshaa and I will definitely be regular in my

 

> > chantings and will use my power only for good purposes. Slipping

 

in

 

> > this promise after getting siddhis has been the nemesis of many

 

> > mantra shaastra experts.

 

> >

 

> > Usually one should select one particular Deity (whatever it is)

 

> > either according to one's family customs or using astrological

 

> > methods to check Ishta/ phalana devataas, or by using one's own

 

> > intuition and natural predisposition to pray to a particular

 

Deity.

 

> > The upaasanaa of that deity should be done after getting proper

 

> > deekshaa which will ensure speedy perfection.

 

> >

 

> > For an accomplished practitioner, it will be hardly a matter of

 

> half

 

> > an hour of preliminary mantrik routines, and then they can

 

> > concentrate on mantra japam as per their time availability and

 

> > convenience. During emergencies these procedures can be shortened.

 

> >

 

> > But,it is better to have a utkeelanam or saapa nivaaranam or

 

> kavacha

 

> > upadesham (most advanced mantras require kavacha recital before

 

> > chanting of moola mantraas) initiated at least once before one

 

> > proceeds with endless repetitions of mantras. If it could not be

 

> > done in the initial stages, at least when one reaches significant

 

> > land marks like 1 lakh japams, 24 lakh japams, or 1 crore japam

 

> > counts, they may have these special elements initiated which will

 

> > immediately unlock the stored potential of all the japams give

 

> > intense mystic experiences. Detailed procedures like yoginii

 

> > nyaasam, aksharaa nyaasam (meditating on different aksharaas in

 

> > different parts of the body as per traditions), etc. are also

 

done

 

> > during deeksha which helps the body to resonate well with the

 

> mantra

 

> > being chanted.Advanced spiritual Gurus are capable of giving such

 

> an

 

> > experience by direct transfer of their power to the sishyaa. In

 

> such

 

> > a case, utkeelanam, kavacham, saapa nivaaranam, etc. are not

 

> > necessary at all!

 

> >

 

> > For most common mantras, the use of anga nyaasam, kara nyaasam,

 

and

 

> > dig bandanam is enough; these procedures will be automatically

 

> given

 

> > in most standard works.

 

> >

 

> > Blessed be.

 

> > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

> >

 

> > vedic astrology

 

> > , nagarajan chidambaram

 

> > wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > Dear Panditji,

 

> > >

 

> > > Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience.

 

> > >

 

> > > I have been very closely following your posts and replies in

 

this

 

> > group for the past one year and have had the getting a deeper

 

> > understanding on the subjects discussed.

 

> > >

 

> > > I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the

 

right

 

> > way to chant a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have

 

been

 

> > locked by the creators just like a software being locked in a way

 

> > that it can be used only by the user knowing the key. That is to

 

> say

 

> > that every mantra has a key and unless the person chanting the

 

> mantra

 

> > uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am told that

 

even

 

> > the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only

 

with

 

> > the use of the appropriate key.

 

> > >

 

> > > How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of

 

your

 

> > stature.

 

> > >

 

> > > I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of

 

the

 

> > right usage of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and

 

> help

 

> > humanity regain the lost science of using the vibrational science

 

> for

 

> > the benefit of mankind.

 

> > >

 

> > > Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my

 

> humble

 

> > and earnest prayer enlighten me.

 

> > >

 

> > > Your humble admirer,

 

> > >

 

> > > Nagaajan.C

 

> > >

 

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I have replied to your personal email id.

 

Blessed be.

Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.vedic astrology ,

Bharat Varma <ffmbvarma wrote:

>

>

> Thank you pandit ji for the info. I was doing the saptashati for

the past 2 yrs everyday and i always used to think tht something was

missing in it. Now when i have read each page closely, in the

beginning itself the publications has given the vishwamitra

shapavimochana. (I hope this is the same for gayatri mantra too). I

never read these few pages and used to skip them. From today i strted

reading the vimochana too. May mother durga bless the initiator of

this topic who has made me realize the mistake i was doing for two

yrs.

>

>

> Bharat

>

>

>

> dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer

> vedic astrology

> Tuesday, August 7, 2007 10:42:37 PM

> [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE ,

OBSERVED AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

Dear Shri. Bharat:

>

>

>

> If you read my earlier post on this, it will be clear....the curses

>

> were so that " rakshasaic elements " do not get the full potential of

>

> the chanting. Rakshasaas do not necessarily mean eery monsters

with

>

> long fangs and big body! Anyone who harasses others unnecessarily

is

>

> a raakshasaa! Anyone who trashes shaastraas and claims his

philosophy

>

> is superior is a raakshasaa! Anyone who is uncomfortable in the

>

> presence of dharmic persons and tries to harass them is a

raakshasaa!

>

> Anyone who " steals " knowledge (pilfering information from internet

>

> without acknowledging the source, not respecting a Guru but

>

> exploiting the knowledge from his posts) is a raakshasaa.. .Anybody

>

> who keeps on criticizing others without any noble reason but out of

>

> jealousy and personal enmity baselessly spoiling the serene

>

> atmosphere of a place by dragging people on and on into

controversies

>

> even after they stop arguing, etc. is a raakshasaa.. ...

>

>

>

> Raakshasaic elements believe in mantrik power and occult, but they

do

>

> not believe in innate goodness of man and the Grace of God. So,

they

>

> will chant mantras at any time and everytime without caring whether

>

> such chants will be good for the world.(astrological ly certain

days

>

> are tabooed for vedic recitals, like ashtami, Navami, etc. These

>

> days are used for other poojas and learning vedic portions are

>

> stopped on those days because it is inauspicious not merely to the

>

> chanter but to the whole world in subtle ways; I have observed that

>

> this is not being followed now-a-days). Tapasya never goes in

vain.

>

> Even greatest sinners can attain siddhis..... .Please note,

presence

>

> of siddhi in a person is not an evidence of their

>

> nobility.... Raakshasaas had inborn siddhis! You will find that in

>

> nature, those who do mistakes are more persistent than those with

>

> noble habits.

>

>

>

> Those who support a noble cause will just say one or two words and

>

> move away with pain that they are not able to help matters. But

>

> rakshasic elements will never leave a matter. It is their strength

>

> and weakness.

>

>

>

> Coming to Gayathri saadhanaa, if raakshasaas chant the mantra which

>

> is the BEST of all mantraas, and get siddhi in that, they will

never

>

> be vanquished. The sages who insisted on " Vaasudaiva Kudumbakam "

>

> also knew that certain disruptive elements should be cut off from

>

> that circle. So, they thought that raakshasic elements should not

>

> get the full benefit of the mantra which might be dangerous to

>

> others. Hence those 3 Great Souls gave curses to the Holy

Gaayathri

>

> mantra. The weakness of the raakshasaas is that they can keep on

>

> doing things persistently, but if you insist on procedures and

proper

>

> way, they cannot do that, because their arrogance will prevent them

>

> from following set disciplines. .....So, naturally when these

curses

>

> were placed on Gaayathri mantra, the potency of the mantra was

saved

>

> from bad elements who will happily chant without curse removal and

>

> will trash all such suggestions, and thus be denied the full

benefit

>

> of the recital so that the effect of the Gaayathri which is

supposed

>

> to grant all desires including final emancipation of the soul will

be

>

> curtailed in those cases and will stop with giving mundane benefits

>

> which are changeable (Once a person attain mundane benefits out of

>

> japa power, the japa siddhi gets reduced just as bank balance gets

>

> reduced after withdrawal; however, if a person gets aatma siddhi -

>

> Enlightenment, then the tapasya power is increased and not

>

> decreased!) Thus raakshasic elements from those days (when the

>

> Gaayathri was first revealed to the Great Sage Viswaamitraa) to the

>

> present period have been doing mantra without curse removal and are

>

> restricted in enjoying the full scope of the mantra. Great souls

>

> have from that period to the current date have been following those

>

> guidelines scrupulously and are getting benefitted by that.

>

>

>

> In matters of spirituality, till we attain a stage where we

ourselves

>

> are Enlightened, it is best to follow the guidelines stipulated by

>

> the Rishis. They have codified those procedures only for our

benefit.

>

> There are two samhitas that can explain the correct process of Devi

>

> Gayathri worship - one is Viswaamitra Samhitaa, and the other is

>

> Vasishta Samhitaa. Viswaamitra samhitaa is more elaborate.

>

>

>

> You might get those rare books from good Indological Libraries;

there

>

> is the possibility of printing mistakes, etc. which persons already

>

> well-versed in those traditions can easily find out. The books can

>

> be just used as guides and reference manuals. But, those who rely

>

> only on the books without any traditional experience might stumble

>

> and fall prey to the effects of wrong chants (mispronounced chants).

>

> Moreover, there is one thing called " oral tradition " in this great

>

> country. Most of the spiritual secrets are closely guarded in palm

>

> leafs - STILL only to save them from the prying eyes of " knowledge

>

> thieves " who will start strutting around with false pride after

>

> reading them with half-baked intelligence. Those secrets are given

>

> only to suitable recipients. There are cases, when fathers have

>

> refused to initiate their own sons in some mantras! because they

>

> found them not suitable, but the mantra would pass on to a more

>

> capable and worthy student! There is no socialism in mantra

>

> shaastraa... .all are not equal. It is by one's attitude and real

>

> capabilities that one can earn such knowledges.. .They cannot be

>

> bought with money.

>

>

>

> Blessed be.

>

> Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, Bharat Varma

<ffmbvarma@ ..>

>

> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > just out of curiosity, why would the divine people curse gayatri

>

> for. I thought they themselves practised gayatri and were able to

>

> spiritually grow to a level where no ordinary man would have

reached.

>

> I was searching the net for stories related to this curse but found

>

> none. So if somebody can enligten on this.

>

> >

>

> > I used to watch a program on zee and in tht a lady also said the

>

> same that she practised some 64000 odd times (i dont remember the

>

> number) but she suffered bad luck after the completion of the

mantra

>

> and this was addressed to some tantrik practisioner. I dont

remember

>

> exactly what he said but i guess he said she shld have done one

more

>

> mantra to balance the power of gayatri.

>

> >

>

> > Bharat

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro@ ...>

>

> > vedic astrology

>

> > Tuesday, August 7, 2007 6:39:13 PM

>

> > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE ,

>

> OBSERVED AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER

>

> >

>

> > ll HARE RAM ll

>

> > Pandit Dakshinamoorthi ji,

>

> > I am completely agreed with you that Gayatri Mantra is needed

some

>

> protocol before chanting as to remove curses of Brahma,Vashistha,

>

> Visvamitra & Shukra and later doing proper visarjana otherwise it

can

>

> be harmful.It is not the Mahamantra given in " Kulsantaran " Upnishad

>

> like " HARE RAM HARE RAM RAM RAM HARE HARE,HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA

>

> KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE " that can be chanted by any one and any

>

> position.Gayatri Mantra is called the mother of all mantras.Even to

>

> add Samputa of Gayatri Mantra makes one Mantra so powerful.

>

> >

>

> > Regards

>

> > Shashie Shekhar

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ .co. in> wrote:

>

> > Dear Shri. Manjunath:

>

> >

>

> > The three curses to Gayathri mantra were given mainly to

>

> > prevent " Rakshasaic " elements from getting unbridled power. So,

if

>

> > you are of a saatwik quality and you have got initiated into the

>

> > mantra from someone, kindly keep chanting it. Otherwise,

tradition

>

> > says that it is better not to chant. I have no individual opinion

>

> > regarding this.

>

> >

>

> > The best recourse for someone who wishes to avail Gayathri Grace

is

>

> > to chant the Gayathri Sahasranaamam or Gayathri Sthothram

(chaalisa

>

> > is of recent origin; in my opinion, except Hanumaan Chaalisaa

>

> > composed by Goswami Tulsi Das, the other chaalisaas have more of

a

>

> > devotional value as they are modelled after the Hanumaan

chaalisaa

>

> > and not too much of mantrik value).

>

> >

>

> > Otherwise, chanting " Om Shri Gaayathryai veda maatre namah " is

the

>

> > best way.

>

> >

>

> > Please read through the earlier post....I have given different

>

> > options open before you.

>

> >

>

> > There are some controversies like " Can a person chant Gayathri

>

> > without upanayanam, can women chant, " etc. which I studiously

avoid

>

> > because my views will be based only on traditions which might not

>

> be

>

> > compatible with what you see today.

>

> >

>

> > A policeman uses a baton to control a crowd, but if we do it, it

is

>

> > considered manslaughter. ..is it not? A licensed person can drive

>

> > vehicles while a person without license should not drive even if

he

>

> > is capable of driving! In the same way, deeksha samskaar or

>

> > upanayanam are like license procedures.. ...Saapa Nivaaranam is

>

> like

>

> > No-objection certificate or " fitness certificate " .....All these

>

> are

>

> > important... .you cannot say, I found a vehicle and I drove

>

> > it....there is not need for license...nothing will happen, etc.

>

> >

>

> > Even a license person can meet with accidents, in that case

>

> insurance

>

> > will cover the damages; but what will happen if an unlicensed

>

> person

>

> > drives vehicles and gets involved in an accident? A similar

analogy

>

> > applies to mantras. Gayathri is a mahaa mantraa, and a powerful

>

> > one. But that does not imply anyone can chant it casually. If

that

>

> > is so, why did the sages give elaborate procedures for upanayanam?

>

> >

>

> > By the way, Gayathri is not restricted only to Brahmins.... Even

>

> non-

>

> > Brahmins can chant Gayathri after upanayanam samskaar and getting

>

> > initiation.

>

> >

>

> > For those who wish to chant Gaayathri mantra without upanayanam

>

> there

>

> > is a Gayathri beeja mantra (composed only of beejas and no words

>

> > except swaahaa). You can get that rare beeja mantra from

competent

>

> > Gurus and chant it (I doubt if you can get a proper Guru who

knows

>

> > this). So sticking to the Gayathri sthothram will be best for you.

>

> >

>

> > Otherwise, go for the tantrik Gayathri

>

> > " Om Veda Maatre cha vidmahe Brahma Patnyai cha deemahii

>

> > Tanno Gaayathri prachodyaat "

>

> >

>

> > Anybody can chant this without any restriction and without any

fear

>

> > of curses or ritual violations.

>

> >

>

> > May Veda Maata Gaayathri Bless everyone.

>

> >

>

> > PS: Dear Group: I do not want Mr. Lalith or his admirers here

>

> > baiting me further with non-shastraic posts on this matter any

>

> > further. I am still posting here keeping aside my personal pain

>

> just

>

> > for the benefit of the group. What I have said is in consonance

>

> with

>

> > shaastras and on the explicity query addressed to me. Any person

>

> > with decency will avoid jutting in between. I am waiting for mr.

>

> > Lalith's ban yet! This is not vengeance... but the command of a

>

> vedic

>

> > Guru. Dharma shastra allows such actions. I have not hit him or

>

> > done anything to him. I seek his banishment from a domain where

you

>

> > people wish me to be a Guru and guide the group. I am within my

>

> > previleges to demand this. Otherwise, it is demeaning to my

>

> position

>

> > as a Guru, and unless I am a Guru, I am not obliged to share my

>

> rare

>

> > knowledge here. (Mr. Lalith may think any 100 Rs. book will teach

>

> > these things; the truth is ...it is not possible. Many books

>

> barring

>

> > a few exceptions are poorly researched and they cannot be relied

on

>

> > intricate dharma shastraic matters).

>

> >

>

> > Blessed be.

>

> > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

> >

>

> > vedic astrology, " Manjunath, T (GE

>

> > Healthcare) " wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > Dear Shri. Pandit Dakshinamoorthi,

>

> > >

>

> > > Vanakkam, Please accept my sincere respects.

>

> > > As a learner, many of your posts are highly educative & your

>

> > > articulation & writing style is greatly admired.

>

> > >

>

> > > sir, your below mail on gayatri has confused me & therefore am

>

> > writing

>

> > > to you. i was planning to resume chanting this mantra shortly (

>

> > again

>

> > > mainly prompted by the mails in the group)

>

> > >

>

> > > As a hindu non-brahmin, not acquainted with tradition &

initiation

>

> > > rituals, what can a average person chant.

>

> > > i have even read ( not sure where) that un-initiated persons

chant

>

> > > gayatri by not chanting OM in the beginning of the mantra

>

> > >

>

> > > My request & query is to clarify how one can chant Gayatri

>

> without

>

> > the

>

> > > adverse effects.

>

> > >

>

> > > Kindly write in leisure & help us all as much details time

>

> permits

>

> > you.

>

> > > even suggestions of books to read, place to get initiation

>

> > > in bangalore will help, my wife can read tamil, so pls. suggest

>

> > > accordingly

>

> > >

>

> > > i have a different query on murugan yantra which i shall request

>

> > > separately

>

> > > am a noh brahmin hindu, vegetarian since 1.5 years, non smoker

&

>

> do

>

> > not

>

> > > use liquor.

>

> > >

>

> > > Sincerely,

>

> > > with best wishes & pranaams,

>

> > >

>

> > > Manju

>

> > >

>

> > > PS : for the group going-on's .. last night i remembered a

>

> > statement

>

> > > in tamil, am writing a rough translation, its a general

statment

>

> &

>

> > not

>

> > > specific to anybody.

>

> > >

>

> > > " Those who believe you... No explanation is needed. Those who

do

>

> > not

>

> > > believe you, No explanation can suffice "

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> > >

>

> > > vedic astrology

>

> > > [vedic- astrology] On Behalf Of

>

> > dakshinastrologer

>

> > > Monday, August 06, 2007 10:25 PM

>

> > > vedic astrology

>

> > > [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE ,

>

> > OBSERVED

>

> > > AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Dear Shri. Chidambaram:

>

> > >

>

> > > Powerful mantras usually have a Utkeelana mantra or saapa

>

> nivaarana

>

> > > mantra to get them activated and to remove the curses

associated

>

> > with

>

> > > them.

>

> > >

>

> > > In fact the Great Gayathri mantra has 3 curses - Brahma saapa,

>

> > > Vasishta saapa, and Viswaamitra saapa. This was because anyone

>

> > > chanting the Gaayatri mantra can attain great siddhis, and such

>

> > power

>

> > > in the hands of persons with wrong attitudes can be disastrous

to

>

> > the

>

> > > more pacific living entities including " gods and demi-gods " .

>

> Thus,

>

> > > anyone chanting the Gaayathri mantra without saapa vimochana

>

> mantra

>

> > > will actually not experience its full wonders. And those who

>

> chant

>

> > > it without initiation will actually experience many obstacles

and

>

> > > dangers! It is stated in Viswamitra Samhita - Gaayathri paddati.

>

> > >

>

> > > " Saapa yuktaatu Gaayathri Chartur Varga phalaandakaa

>

> > > Saapa muktaatu Gaayathri chatur varga phalpradaa "

>

> > >

>

> > > Means Gaayathri with Saapa (i.e without removal of curse) will

>

> > cause

>

> > > destruction of 4 fold attainments of life (Dharma - Righteous

>

> > living,

>

> > > Artha - righteous earning of money, Kaama - righteous enjoyment

>

> of

>

> > > luxuries and pleasures, mokshaa - ultimate liberation), whereas

>

> > > Gaayathri relieved of the curses will cause gain of the 4 fold

>

> > > attainments.

>

> > >

>

> > > This injunction does not apply to those who do Gaayathri after

>

> > > upanayanam where the relevant mantras of activation are anyhow

>

> > > chanted. Even for these persons, the higher siddhis of the

>

> Gayathri

>

> > > mantra are locked if they chant the Gayathri without saapa

>

> > nivaarana

>

> > > mantra.

>

> > >

>

> > > Again, when mantraas are chanted, we should offer respects to

the

>

> > > Rishis (mantra drushtaas - seers of the mantra who first

>

> identified

>

> > > the mantra with their yogic vision); during the deeksha, naandi

>

> > homam

>

> > > is to be done to honour one's ancestors - When a person is

about

>

> to

>

> > > set foot in the path of spirituality, all his ancestors are

happy

>

> > and

>

> > > will congregate in that place of deeksha earnestly. So, they

>

> should

>

> > > be honoured auspiciously and their blessings should be sought.

>

> Then

>

> > > one should make " Japa prathignyaa " means declaration that this

is

>

> > the

>

> > > purpose of the deekshaa and I will definitely be regular in my

>

> > > chantings and will use my power only for good purposes.

Slipping

>

> in

>

> > > this promise after getting siddhis has been the nemesis of many

>

> > > mantra shaastra experts.

>

> > >

>

> > > Usually one should select one particular Deity (whatever it is)

>

> > > either according to one's family customs or using astrological

>

> > > methods to check Ishta/ phalana devataas, or by using one's own

>

> > > intuition and natural predisposition to pray to a particular

>

> Deity.

>

> > > The upaasanaa of that deity should be done after getting proper

>

> > > deekshaa which will ensure speedy perfection.

>

> > >

>

> > > For an accomplished practitioner, it will be hardly a matter of

>

> > half

>

> > > an hour of preliminary mantrik routines, and then they can

>

> > > concentrate on mantra japam as per their time availability and

>

> > > convenience. During emergencies these procedures can be

shortened.

>

> > >

>

> > > But,it is better to have a utkeelanam or saapa nivaaranam or

>

> > kavacha

>

> > > upadesham (most advanced mantras require kavacha recital before

>

> > > chanting of moola mantraas) initiated at least once before one

>

> > > proceeds with endless repetitions of mantras. If it could not

be

>

> > > done in the initial stages, at least when one reaches

significant

>

> > > land marks like 1 lakh japams, 24 lakh japams, or 1 crore japam

>

> > > counts, they may have these special elements initiated which

will

>

> > > immediately unlock the stored potential of all the japams give

>

> > > intense mystic experiences. Detailed procedures like yoginii

>

> > > nyaasam, aksharaa nyaasam (meditating on different aksharaas in

>

> > > different parts of the body as per traditions), etc. are also

>

> done

>

> > > during deeksha which helps the body to resonate well with the

>

> > mantra

>

> > > being chanted.Advanced spiritual Gurus are capable of giving

such

>

> > an

>

> > > experience by direct transfer of their power to the sishyaa. In

>

> > such

>

> > > a case, utkeelanam, kavacham, saapa nivaaranam, etc. are not

>

> > > necessary at all!

>

> > >

>

> > > For most common mantras, the use of anga nyaasam, kara nyaasam,

>

> and

>

> > > dig bandanam is enough; these procedures will be automatically

>

> > given

>

> > > in most standard works.

>

> > >

>

> > > Blessed be.

>

> > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

> > >

>

> > > vedic astrology

>

> > > , nagarajan chidambaram

>

> > > wrote:

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Dear Panditji,

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > I have been very closely following your posts and replies in

>

> this

>

> > > group for the past one year and have had the getting a deeper

>

> > > understanding on the subjects discussed.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the

>

> right

>

> > > way to chant a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have

>

> been

>

> > > locked by the creators just like a software being locked in a

way

>

> > > that it can be used only by the user knowing the key. That is

to

>

> > say

>

> > > that every mantra has a key and unless the person chanting the

>

> > mantra

>

> > > uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am told that

>

> even

>

> > > the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only

>

> with

>

> > > the use of the appropriate key.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of

>

> your

>

> > > stature.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of

>

> the

>

> > > right usage of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and

>

> > help

>

> > > humanity regain the lost science of using the vibrational

science

>

> > for

>

> > > the benefit of mankind.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my

>

> > humble

>

> > > and earnest prayer enlighten me.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Your humble admirer,

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Nagaajan.C

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

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Mr Lalit,

How many times in a year do you visit your parents?

 

 

 

litsol <mishra.lalit

vedic astrology

Tuesday, August 7, 2007 5:44:58 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE , OBSERVED AND

EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER

 

Dear Bharat,

 

There is a myth that the gayatri mantra is cursed, try to take it

other way round, we people are curse by way of our attitude,

behavior etc..

 

In fact, to realize the power of God within one should have quality

of Vasistha, Vishwamitra and other sages..

 

A vasistha shapvimochana is in fact, a process to recognise the

quality of vasistha and live upto this, means u will be a good

learner, u will look at all the way u look at urself. a kind of

equality in vision.

 

A vishwamitra shapvimochana is in fact, a process to recognise the

quality of vishwamitra and live upto this, means, u will leave ur bad

instinct and laziness etc. u will be inovative, u will be skilled.

you will not overlook the truth for any cause, a kind of activism.

 

A brahma shapvimochana is in fact, a process to recognise the quality

of brahma and live upto this, means u will be a source to new ideas,

u will contribute to discover more.

 

Sages saw the shortcomings in a man who wants to chant gayatri and

catagorise shortcomings this way they used the term " Shapa " and then

made a vimochana for the shapa.

 

This is what i understood from my gayatri chanting, i have chanted

gayatri for more than 20 years.

 

The mantra and shloka which is there in shapa vimochanaa gives this

sort of feelings to me which i shared with you.

 

and let me tell you one more thing, mantra itself is no way dangerous

or powerful, this is the god which grants u some qualities if u

deserve and chant a mantra, thus u sound powerful on account of ur's

mantra sadhnaa.

 

see, despite all the war here, why they couldn't stop me with their

occult power, where there power gone, any power is given to you if u

are a good human being, keep it in ur mind, if u r fair to urself and

to others same way.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

vedic astrology, Bharat Varma <ffmbvarma@. ..>

wrote:

>

> just out of curiosity, why would the divine people curse gayatri

for. I thought they themselves practised gayatri and were able to

spiritually grow to a level where no ordinary man would have reached.

I was searching the net for stories related to this curse but found

none. So if somebody can enligten on this.

>

> I used to watch a program on zee and in tht a lady also said the

same that she practised some 64000 odd times (i dont remember the

number) but she suffered bad luck after the completion of the mantra

and this was addressed to some tantrik practisioner. I dont remember

exactly what he said but i guess he said she shld have done one more

mantra to balance the power of gayatri.

>

> Bharat

>

>

>

>

> Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro@ ...>

> vedic astrology

> Tuesday, August 7, 2007 6:39:13 PM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE ,

OBSERVED AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER

>

> ll HARE RAM ll

> Pandit Dakshinamoorthi ji,

> I am completely agreed with you that Gayatri Mantra is needed some

protocol before chanting as to remove curses of Brahma,Vashistha,

Visvamitra & Shukra and later doing proper visarjana otherwise it can

be harmful.It is not the Mahamantra given in " Kulsantaran " Upnishad

like " HARE RAM HARE RAM RAM RAM HARE HARE,HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA

KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE " that can be chanted by any one and any

position.Gayatri Mantra is called the mother of all mantras.Even to

add Samputa of Gayatri Mantra makes one Mantra so powerful.

>

> Regards

> Shashie Shekhar

>

>

> dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ .co. in> wrote:

> Dear Shri. Manjunath:

>

> The three curses to Gayathri mantra were given mainly to

> prevent " Rakshasaic " elements from getting unbridled power. So, if

> you are of a saatwik quality and you have got initiated into the

> mantra from someone, kindly keep chanting it. Otherwise, tradition

> says that it is better not to chant. I have no individual opinion

> regarding this.

>

> The best recourse for someone who wishes to avail Gayathri Grace is

> to chant the Gayathri Sahasranaamam or Gayathri Sthothram (chaalisa

> is of recent origin; in my opinion, except Hanumaan Chaalisaa

> composed by Goswami Tulsi Das, the other chaalisaas have more of a

> devotional value as they are modelled after the Hanumaan chaalisaa

> and not too much of mantrik value).

>

> Otherwise, chanting " Om Shri Gaayathryai veda maatre namah " is the

> best way.

>

> Please read through the earlier post....I have given different

> options open before you.

>

> There are some controversies like " Can a person chant Gayathri

> without upanayanam, can women chant, " etc. which I studiously avoid

> because my views will be based only on traditions which might not

be

> compatible with what you see today.

>

> A policeman uses a baton to control a crowd, but if we do it, it is

> considered manslaughter. ..is it not? A licensed person can drive

> vehicles while a person without license should not drive even if he

> is capable of driving! In the same way, deeksha samskaar or

> upanayanam are like license procedures.. ...Saapa Nivaaranam is

like

> No-objection certificate or " fitness certificate " .....All these

are

> important... .you cannot say, I found a vehicle and I drove

> it....there is not need for license...nothing will happen, etc.

>

> Even a license person can meet with accidents, in that case

insurance

> will cover the damages; but what will happen if an unlicensed

person

> drives vehicles and gets involved in an accident? A similar analogy

> applies to mantras. Gayathri is a mahaa mantraa, and a powerful

> one. But that does not imply anyone can chant it casually. If that

> is so, why did the sages give elaborate procedures for upanayanam?

>

> By the way, Gayathri is not restricted only to Brahmins.... Even

non-

> Brahmins can chant Gayathri after upanayanam samskaar and getting

> initiation.

>

> For those who wish to chant Gaayathri mantra without upanayanam

there

> is a Gayathri beeja mantra (composed only of beejas and no words

> except swaahaa). You can get that rare beeja mantra from competent

> Gurus and chant it (I doubt if you can get a proper Guru who knows

> this). So sticking to the Gayathri sthothram will be best for you.

>

> Otherwise, go for the tantrik Gayathri

> " Om Veda Maatre cha vidmahe Brahma Patnyai cha deemahii

> Tanno Gaayathri prachodyaat "

>

> Anybody can chant this without any restriction and without any fear

> of curses or ritual violations.

>

> May Veda Maata Gaayathri Bless everyone.

>

> PS: Dear Group: I do not want Mr. Lalith or his admirers here

> baiting me further with non-shastraic posts on this matter any

> further. I am still posting here keeping aside my personal pain

just

> for the benefit of the group. What I have said is in consonance

with

> shaastras and on the explicity query addressed to me. Any person

> with decency will avoid jutting in between. I am waiting for mr.

> Lalith's ban yet! This is not vengeance... but the command of a

vedic

> Guru. Dharma shastra allows such actions. I have not hit him or

> done anything to him. I seek his banishment from a domain where you

> people wish me to be a Guru and guide the group. I am within my

> previleges to demand this. Otherwise, it is demeaning to my

position

> as a Guru, and unless I am a Guru, I am not obliged to share my

rare

> knowledge here. (Mr. Lalith may think any 100 Rs. book will teach

> these things; the truth is ...it is not possible. Many books

barring

> a few exceptions are poorly researched and they cannot be relied on

> intricate dharma shastraic matters).

>

> Blessed be.

> Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

> vedic astrology, " Manjunath, T (GE

> Healthcare) " wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri. Pandit Dakshinamoorthi,

> >

> > Vanakkam, Please accept my sincere respects.

> > As a learner, many of your posts are highly educative & your

> > articulation & writing style is greatly admired.

> >

> > sir, your below mail on gayatri has confused me & therefore am

> writing

> > to you. i was planning to resume chanting this mantra shortly (

> again

> > mainly prompted by the mails in the group)

> >

> > As a hindu non-brahmin, not acquainted with tradition & initiation

> > rituals, what can a average person chant.

> > i have even read ( not sure where) that un-initiated persons chant

> > gayatri by not chanting OM in the beginning of the mantra

> >

> > My request & query is to clarify how one can chant Gayatri

without

> the

> > adverse effects.

> >

> > Kindly write in leisure & help us all as much details time

permits

> you.

> > even suggestions of books to read, place to get initiation

> > in bangalore will help, my wife can read tamil, so pls. suggest

> > accordingly

> >

> > i have a different query on murugan yantra which i shall request

> > separately

> > am a noh brahmin hindu, vegetarian since 1.5 years, non smoker &

do

> not

> > use liquor.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > with best wishes & pranaams,

> >

> > Manju

> >

> > PS : for the group going-on's .. last night i remembered a

> statement

> > in tamil, am writing a rough translation, its a general statment

&

> not

> > specific to anybody.

> >

> > " Those who believe you... No explanation is needed. Those who do

> not

> > believe you, No explanation can suffice "

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >

> > vedic astrology

> > [vedic- astrology] On Behalf Of

> dakshinastrologer

> > Monday, August 06, 2007 10:25 PM

> > vedic astrology

> > [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE ,

> OBSERVED

> > AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Shri. Chidambaram:

> >

> > Powerful mantras usually have a Utkeelana mantra or saapa

nivaarana

> > mantra to get them activated and to remove the curses associated

> with

> > them.

> >

> > In fact the Great Gayathri mantra has 3 curses - Brahma saapa,

> > Vasishta saapa, and Viswaamitra saapa. This was because anyone

> > chanting the Gaayatri mantra can attain great siddhis, and such

> power

> > in the hands of persons with wrong attitudes can be disastrous to

> the

> > more pacific living entities including " gods and demi-gods " .

Thus,

> > anyone chanting the Gaayathri mantra without saapa vimochana

mantra

> > will actually not experience its full wonders. And those who

chant

> > it without initiation will actually experience many obstacles and

> > dangers! It is stated in Viswamitra Samhita - Gaayathri paddati.

> >

> > " Saapa yuktaatu Gaayathri Chartur Varga phalaandakaa

> > Saapa muktaatu Gaayathri chatur varga phalpradaa "

> >

> > Means Gaayathri with Saapa (i.e without removal of curse) will

> cause

> > destruction of 4 fold attainments of life (Dharma - Righteous

> living,

> > Artha - righteous earning of money, Kaama - righteous enjoyment

of

> > luxuries and pleasures, mokshaa - ultimate liberation), whereas

> > Gaayathri relieved of the curses will cause gain of the 4 fold

> > attainments.

> >

> > This injunction does not apply to those who do Gaayathri after

> > upanayanam where the relevant mantras of activation are anyhow

> > chanted. Even for these persons, the higher siddhis of the

Gayathri

> > mantra are locked if they chant the Gayathri without saapa

> nivaarana

> > mantra.

> >

> > Again, when mantraas are chanted, we should offer respects to the

> > Rishis (mantra drushtaas - seers of the mantra who first

identified

> > the mantra with their yogic vision); during the deeksha, naandi

> homam

> > is to be done to honour one's ancestors - When a person is about

to

> > set foot in the path of spirituality, all his ancestors are happy

> and

> > will congregate in that place of deeksha earnestly. So, they

should

> > be honoured auspiciously and their blessings should be sought.

Then

> > one should make " Japa prathignyaa " means declaration that this is

> the

> > purpose of the deekshaa and I will definitely be regular in my

> > chantings and will use my power only for good purposes. Slipping

in

> > this promise after getting siddhis has been the nemesis of many

> > mantra shaastra experts.

> >

> > Usually one should select one particular Deity (whatever it is)

> > either according to one's family customs or using astrological

> > methods to check Ishta/ phalana devataas, or by using one's own

> > intuition and natural predisposition to pray to a particular

Deity.

> > The upaasanaa of that deity should be done after getting proper

> > deekshaa which will ensure speedy perfection.

> >

> > For an accomplished practitioner, it will be hardly a matter of

> half

> > an hour of preliminary mantrik routines, and then they can

> > concentrate on mantra japam as per their time availability and

> > convenience. During emergencies these procedures can be shortened.

> >

> > But,it is better to have a utkeelanam or saapa nivaaranam or

> kavacha

> > upadesham (most advanced mantras require kavacha recital before

> > chanting of moola mantraas) initiated at least once before one

> > proceeds with endless repetitions of mantras. If it could not be

> > done in the initial stages, at least when one reaches significant

> > land marks like 1 lakh japams, 24 lakh japams, or 1 crore japam

> > counts, they may have these special elements initiated which will

> > immediately unlock the stored potential of all the japams give

> > intense mystic experiences. Detailed procedures like yoginii

> > nyaasam, aksharaa nyaasam (meditating on different aksharaas in

> > different parts of the body as per traditions), etc. are also

done

> > during deeksha which helps the body to resonate well with the

> mantra

> > being chanted.Advanced spiritual Gurus are capable of giving such

> an

> > experience by direct transfer of their power to the sishyaa. In

> such

> > a case, utkeelanam, kavacham, saapa nivaaranam, etc. are not

> > necessary at all!

> >

> > For most common mantras, the use of anga nyaasam, kara nyaasam,

and

> > dig bandanam is enough; these procedures will be automatically

> given

> > in most standard works.

> >

> > Blessed be.

> > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> >

> > vedic astrology

> > , nagarajan chidambaram

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Panditji,

> > >

> > > Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience.

> > >

> > > I have been very closely following your posts and replies in

this

> > group for the past one year and have had the getting a deeper

> > understanding on the subjects discussed.

> > >

> > > I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the

right

> > way to chant a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have

been

> > locked by the creators just like a software being locked in a way

> > that it can be used only by the user knowing the key. That is to

> say

> > that every mantra has a key and unless the person chanting the

> mantra

> > uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am told that

even

> > the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only

with

> > the use of the appropriate key.

> > >

> > > How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of

your

> > stature.

> > >

> > > I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of

the

> > right usage of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and

> help

> > humanity regain the lost science of using the vibrational science

> for

> > the benefit of mankind.

> > >

> > > Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my

> humble

> > and earnest prayer enlighten me.

> > >

> > > Your humble admirer,

> > >

> > > Nagaajan.C

> > >

> > >

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