Guest guest Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Shaila. thanks for showing that there are astrologers with a difference names don't matter their being is important next is the need of the astrologers who make some money or more money by different methods-say suggesting some gems or pujas; rudrakshas, yantras, tantras where the suppliers of themalso need some way to suport their lives from where they can 1st give u a good or reasonable source and if they get a cut is fine but for the cut itself giving readings and making predictions is not a right way I BELIVE THAT we can suggest these remedies and allow thm to choose their local priests, gemstores or yantra items somone will guide them if they keep asking intemples or indological stores. Sri B V Raman ji had said an astrologer can charge as much as that doesnt hurt the seeker. same time even if we know some one is rich can pay we demand some price is not right v few rich really pay they think their comming to you is itself a honor, favor to u these pople will pay for their bad karma in their bad times most people who go to astrologers are avg or below avg income ppl in person probably NET world is a bit better placed lot so can help the subject survive by offering to pay the astrologers some token on their own which can remove the need for astrologers to seek other methods as we too have life that needs many bills to be paid as any other being or professional one has. BUT in the same vein I must say there r just few not too many of those whom the commercialisation tag must be given so lets not say mojority r bad. astrology is a sacred scinence and we must deal with it in a safe way for ourselves and the seekers. Best wishes Shailla Sharma <shaillasharma wrote: Dear Sushil ji, I have the utmost respect for the astrologers on this forum like Prashantji and Dakshinamoorthiji. But there are some, who adopt the view that once the paid hour is over, they do not find time to even reply to a query on their very own predictions with just 2 lines. It is sad. I too have seen the generosity of Prashantji, Dakshinamoorthyji and others. And its admirable. They are helping so many. And there is nothing wrong whatsoever in doing personalised readings and there must be a charge for that. I have heard and believe that it is not good karma to not offer the dakshana. I just wish that some others would be as generous to address some query on their own paid reading as the astrologers on this forum are to all and sundry. My pranaam to these respected astrologers. " sushil.dikshit " <sushil.dikshit wrote: Dear Shailla Ji, Namaste, You are right. In my views most of the astrologers(not all) use these platforms (different on astrology)to increase their ratings and to popularise themselves. They pose themselves as great astrologers so that they can get some clients here and start astrology business with them. It may be unbearable to many of them as it is 100% true. They have only one interest that is money. They reply some of the question (normally once or twice daily) just to show their presence only so that people may send private mails to them. Most of the people present in these forums do not want to put their problems publicily just for secrecy or privacy. Because of this psychology professional astrolgers get clients here. They are not so busy as they pose. If they are really busy they should not answer any of the postings here like Narsimha and Sanjay Rath. But this is market so they have to be present here to catch clients. I have this view for most of the astrologers but not for all. Some of them are really generous , knowledgeable and helping. I will not write their name here otherwise I will face charge for their publicity. But often I had chat with them. They are generous enough. ONE MORE THING NONE OF THE ASTROLOGERS HAVE WRITTEN ON THIS TIPIC " ETHICS FOR ASTROLOGERS " BECAUSE MOST OF THEM ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE ETHICS AND THEY WILL BE TRAPPED HERE. with regards sushil dikshit > vedic astrology , Shailla Sharma > <shaillasharma@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sushil, > > > > I have noticed that when giving a reading some astrologers are > very prompt. > > > > But when the prediction doesn't come true and native is suffering > and confused, the astrologer becomes " busy " . > > > > Why? Does the role of the astrologer come to a full stop after > dispensing the reading. Is it beyond the reasonable to hope that the > astrolger can spare an ear, when the predictions go awry? > > > > We all know there is a big role of free will, and no astrologer > is God. So no recriminations for the predictions not coming true. But > wouldn't an astrologer at least be curious and anxious to have a re- > look, even if its a cusrory one to guide the native? Like post > operative care and check ups are important for a doctor. > > > > I wish that such ethics and regulated forum existed in this field > too. As an astrologer who shrugs off such things only maligns the > entire profession. > > > > regards > > > > > > > > " sushil.dikshit " <sushil.dikshit@> wrote: > > Dear Harcharan, > > > > If someone has learnt the vedic astrology well only from what our > > rishis had written in vidic scriptures, is suffient. He will surely > > be a good astrologer. On the contrary if someone tries to go beyond > > their knowledge and he may be under illusion. Only the time will > tell > > whether he is perfect or not. > > > > with regards > > sushil dikshit > > vedic astrology , " Harcharan " <jassalh@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Excellent Note Sunil Ji, > > > > > > This is what osho wanted to convey, either you can be a leader or > a > > > follower. Scriptures give us a foundation of knowledge collected > > over > > > centuries hard work by our great saints and leaders and guide us > > for > > > future life. > > > > > > This is what I understand from the quote of Osho: > > > > > > Being a follower, you will continue to practice what is written > in > > > the scriptures and try to achieve perfection. Being a leader you > > will > > > go one step ahead and think out of the box to further research, > > > improve and practice what is written in the scriptures. > > > > > > You can only come to know the differences between scriptures and > > > other techniques after practicing them to near pefection. And > > whoever > > > is able to find those missing links and relationships, becomes a > > > great leader. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Harcharan > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " sunil nair " > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna, > > > > > > > > dear sushil ji. > > > > > > > > I find this quote from osho may be interesting to u and think > > > it in > > > > continuation of our chat which caused this question > > > > > > > > ==================Just a few days before, a man came to me and > he > > > said, > > > > " I am trying your method of meditation, but tell me, in what > > > scripture > > > > is it given? If you can convince me that it is given in my > > religious > > > > scripture, then it will be easier for me to do. " But why will > it > > be > > > > easier for him to do if it is written in a scripture? Because > > then > > > the > > > > mind will not create a problem. The mind will say, " Okay! This > > > belongs > > > > to us, so do it. " If it is not written in any scripture then > the > > > mind > > > > will say, " What are you doing? " The mind goes against it. > > > > > > > > I said to the man, " You have been doing this method for three > > > months. > > > > How are you feeling? " He said, " Wonderful. I am feeling very > > > wonderful. > > > > But tell me... give some authority from the scriptures. " His > own > > > feeling > > > > is not an authority at all. He says, " I am feeling wonderful. I > > have > > > > become more silent, more peaceful, more loving. I am feeling > > > wonderful. " > > > > But his own experience is not the authority. The mind asks for > an > > > > authority from the past. > > > > I told him, " It is not written anywhere in your scriptures. > > Rather, > > > many > > > > things which are against this technique are written. " His face > > > became > > > > sad. And then he said, " Then it will be difficult for me to do > it > > > and to > > > > continue it. " > > > > > > > > ========== > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " sushil.dikshit " > > > > <sushil.dikshit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Rsspected Pram Sir, > > > > > > > > > > Pranam, > > > > > > > > > > I am a learner yet so does not possess so much knowledge as > some > > > > > others in this group have. But as for as it is concerned that > a > > > > > person may be knowledgeable according to chart but may not so > > > > > knowledgeable. Here I want to contribute one thing. If we > want > > to > > > > > check his knowledge in the field of cocult sciences (Vedic > > > astrology > > > > > and Tantra Sadhan) we should look into his 8H in D24. It is > his > > > true > > > > > knowledgeable and A8(Arudh Pada) would show his knowledge as > > > > > perceivable by us. So if he is not so knowledgeable according > to > > > > > chart. IT is true conclusion. If A8 shows he is > knowledgeable. > > It > > > > > mean he is able to make an impression on others about his > > > knowledge > > > > > of astrology. In reality he does not have good knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > Eleders are requested to enlighten me on my appoach. > > > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > vedic astrology , Pram Chopra > > > > > pramchopra1964@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sushil > > > > > > > > > > > > God Bless U > > > > > > > > > > > > It is again the matter of Believe Consequence Likewise why > > don't > > > > > you ask him to analyse chart of harcharan's matter if he able > > to > > > give > > > > > the detail matter of analysis then the person is very much > > learned > > > > > and chart may be not showing the exact matters. > > > > > > > > > > > > A Foresight Prince of India > > > > > > Pram Chopra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil.dikshit sushil.dikshit@ > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > Monday, September 3, 2007 9:51:28 PM > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Respected Gurujans --- > ethics > > for > > > > > astrologers - > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > Pranam, > > > > > > > > > > > > Your have completely misunderstood the case. I don't want > > that > > > you > > > > > > should leave the group and don't have any right to do so. > > > > > > > > > > > > Acutally I was having discussion on astrology with Dr. > Sunil > > > Singh > > > > > a > > > > > > Lucknow based astrologer. I praised a lot Mr. Sunil Nair > ji, > > > Rafal > > > > > > Ji, Mr. PVR Narsimha Rao and Shri Rath Saheb and you. He > > could > > > not > > > > > > accept their praise and put before me a question as > challenge > > > > > before > > > > > > me and told me to put the questions before Rafal ji and > Sunil > > > ji. I > > > > > > put the same question after narrating the incident. At this > > > point > > > > > he > > > > > > said it is against ethics to accept it as challenge. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are details of Dr. Sunil Singh > > > > > > DOB : 10.07.1974 > > > > > > Time : 22.16 > > > > > > Place : Mirzapur > > > > > > > > > > > > and the Challenge is > > > > > > 1. Whether Mr. Singh has good knowledge over vedic > astrology ? > > > > > > 2. Does he know tantras ? > > > > > > 3. Will he continue the profession or change it to > politics ? > > > > > > 3. Will he succeed in Politics and in which dasha ? > > > > > > Finally all these analysis should have astrological > > > explanations so > > > > > > that he can judge the approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know whether I was right while praising great > people > > > like > > > > > > Rafal , Nair , PVR and Rath or wrong. That is why I > requested > > > all > > > > > of > > > > > > you to guide me about ethics for Vedic Astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Pram Chopra > > > > > > <pramchopra1964@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sushil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God Bless U > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you want me to quit from this group too. If this give > > you > > > any > > > > > > help I can give this fruit to you. Please waiting for reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pram chopra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil.dikshit <sushil.dikshit@ ...> > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > Monday, September 3, 2007 8:22:25 PM > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Respected Gurujans --- ethics > for > > > > > > astrologers - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Gurujans, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pranam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today I had personal chat with Shri Sunil Nair. I > committed > > a > > > > > > mistake > > > > > > > during talk with an astrolgoer of Lucknow amd I explained > > > > > everthing > > > > > > to > > > > > > > Mr. Nair. He pointed out that I was not following ethics > of > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > in principle. He guided me not to use astrology in > > unethical > > > way > > > > > > > otherwise I will face the curse of Rishis. I felt he was > > quite > > > > > > > correct. > > > > > > > So I request all gurujans to guide me what are the basic > > > ethics > > > > > we > > > > > > must > > > > > > > follow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ > > _________ _ > > > > > > ____________ __ > > > > > > > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > > > > > > > that gives answers, not web links. > > > > > > > http://mobile. / mobileweb/ onesearch? > refer=1ONXIC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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