Guest guest Posted November 6, 2004 Report Share Posted November 6, 2004 Dear Samva, (Other lists - lease note, this is an SA analysis) - Please see the below story - Also attached is a JT jpeg of the UK chart TRs - 1) 8th Lord of Accidents TR Mars in 2nd House JUST orbed 5* conjunct station Ketu. 2) This TR 8th Lord Mars was still more than 80% (i.e. < 1*) afflicted by NT 6th Lord Saturn (in 12th) by 3rd-aspect, albeit separating. 3) TR Sun (12th Lord of Loss, currently Neecha in 2nd - with its dispositor TR Venus also currently Neecha in 1st - note, Venus is also current AD Lord) made a perfect 98%!!!!! opposition with NT Mars (8th Lord of Accidents in 8th). 4) TR 11th Lord Moon (badly placed in the 12th house of Loss) - received a perfect 5th-aspect from station TR Rahu - from the 8th house of Accidents. Congratulations to Jorge for rectifying the 1801 UK chart. Best - Sateesh. ======== http://www.ntlworld.com/partners/itn/britain/1094032.php Express train derails in Berkshire 2004-11-06 22:32:36 Several people have died and 150 injured when a high-speed train hit a car on a level crossing and derailed.The First Great Western service from Paddington to Plymouth ploughed into the car on the automatic crossing in a village near Reading at around 6.30pm.A Network Rail spokesman said the accident happened at an automatic level crossing with half barriers on each side of the road.Thames Valley Police said that at least nine carriages have derailed. Many people have been injured and six people remained trapped in the wreckage three hours after the crash as emergency crews were battling to free them.An emergency number has been set up for concerned relatives - 0870 0100 732One of the dead is believed to have been in the car. A spokeswoman for the Royal Berkshire Hospital in Reading said they had already received a coach-load of "walking wounded" and had been told to prepare for 16 people who could be seriously injured.Dozens of fire engines and ambulances were rushed to the scene at Ufton Nervet as injured passengers were dragged from the wreckage.A police spokesman said: "There have been fatalities, exact numbers are not known at this time."One eyewitness said: "Suddenly there was this extraordinary stopping sensation, I immediately thought someone had pulled the emergency cord, but it carried on, carried on, and came to a juddering halt."All the lights went off, screaming, shouting, we were in the pitch black, then total chaos in the carriage for a few moments."Another passenger, Richard Micklewright told ITV News: "I was in the rear of the train. I was in Coach A, the train was running back to front."There was a lot of shuddering then we suddenly realised something was going on. I braced myself between the aisles then it (the train) turned on its side at the last moment."Three railway inspectors from the Health and Safety Executive's HM Railway Inspectorate are at the scene. They will start an investigation into the accident as soon as the emergency services have carried out their rescue work.A spokesman for the HSE said: "The concern of our inspectors will be to see if there has been a failure of the railway system. A premature conclusion would be that there has not been such a failure."We will be looking into the level crossing and whether or not any vehicles misbehaved." The spokesman said the HSE's involvement would only be marginal if it transpired there were no faults with the railway. ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release 01/11/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2004 Report Share Posted November 6, 2004 Dear Sateesh, Thank you for your inspiring words! According with SA, your analysis is correct. The Moon, karaka for the 4th house, Jupiter, ruler of the 4th house, and Venus are all ruling vehicles and transports. As UK is now in Mo/Ve/Ju, let me add also some non-SA points that can help us understand why the apparently well placed Venus and Jupiter have not been able to protect their general and particular significations, respectively: Besides being debilitated, Venus, the bhukti lord, is in a nakshatra of Mars, lord of 8 in 8, and in Leo navamsha, which brings the houses 8 and 12 to the fore. Jupiter is in a nakshatra of Saturn, lord of 6 in 12, which brings the houses 6 and 12 to the fore. Venus and Jupiter are transiting Virgo. As Rahu just entered in direct motion today, Mercury, their dispositor, became afflicted by the 8th ¾ aspect of Rahu from the 8th house. Transit Mars is not only exactly afflicted by natal Saturn but also by the 4th ¾ aspect of transit Saturn. Transit Rahu is being afflicted by the afflicted Mars, which makes its aspect from the 8th house over Mercury extremely malefic. Best wishes, Jorge Sateesh Batas [makara] sábado, 6 de Novembro de 2004 23:36 Samva List Cc: Jyotish Group; valist UK - Train derailment - Berkshire Dear Samva, (Other lists - lease note, this is an SA analysis) - Please see the below story - Also attached is a JT jpeg of the UK chart TRs - 1) 8th Lord of Accidents TR Mars in 2nd House JUST orbed 5* conjunct station Ketu. 2) This TR 8th Lord Mars was still more than 80% (i.e. < 1*) afflicted by NT 6th Lord Saturn (in 12th) by 3rd-aspect, albeit separating. 3) TR Sun (12th Lord of Loss, currently Neecha in 2nd - with its dispositor TR Venus also currently Neecha in 1st - note, Venus is also current AD Lord) made a perfect 98%!!!!! opposition with NT Mars (8th Lord of Accidents in 8th). 4) TR 11th Lord Moon (badly placed in the 12th house of Loss) - received a perfect 5th-aspect from station TR Rahu - from the 8th house of Accidents. Congratulations to Jorge for rectifying the 1801 UK chart. Best - Sateesh. ======== http://www.ntlworld.com/partners/itn/britain/1094032.php Express train derails in Berkshire 2004-11-06 22:32:36 Several people have died and 150 injured when a high-speed train hit a car on a level crossing and derailed. The First Great Western service from Paddington to Plymouth ploughed into the car on the automatic crossing in a village near Reading at around 6.30pm. A Network Rail spokesman said the accident happened at an automatic level crossing with half barriers on each side of the road. Thames Valley Police said that at least nine carriages have derailed. Many people have been injured and six people remained trapped in the wreckage three hours after the crash as emergency crews were battling to free them. An emergency number has been set up for concerned relatives - 0870 0100 732 One of the dead is believed to have been in the car. A spokeswoman for the Royal Berkshire Hospital in Reading said they had already received a coach-load of " walking wounded " and had been told to prepare for 16 people who could be seriously injured. Dozens of fire engines and ambulances were rushed to the scene at Ufton Nervet as injured passengers were dragged from the wreckage. A police spokesman said: " There have been fatalities, exact numbers are not known at this time. " One eyewitness said: " Suddenly there was this extraordinary stopping sensation, I immediately thought someone had pulled the emergency cord, but it carried on, carried on, and came to a juddering halt. " All the lights went off, screaming, shouting, we were in the pitch black, then total chaos in the carriage for a few moments. " Another passenger, Richard Micklewright told ITV News: " I was in the rear of the train. I was in Coach A, the train was running back to front. " There was a lot of shuddering then we suddenly realised something was going on. I braced myself between the aisles then it (the train) turned on its side at the last moment. " Three railway inspectors from the Health and Safety Executive's HM Railway Inspectorate are at the scene. They will start an investigation into the accident as soon as the emergency services have carried out their rescue work. A spokesman for the HSE said: " The concern of our inspectors will be to see if there has been a failure of the railway system. A premature conclusion would be that there has not been such a failure. " We will be looking into the level crossing and whether or not any vehicles misbehaved. " The spokesman said the HSE's involvement would only be marginal if it transpired there were no faults with the railway. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release 01/11/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2004 Report Share Posted November 6, 2004 Dear Jorge, Many thanks - you are right - I mentioned the Moon, but in my haste overlooked it is not just afflicted by Rahu but is Karaka for 4th. I was also curious as to why in Venus AD and Jupiter PD, TR Venus and TR Jupiter bang over MEP 1 did not protect the UK. However, I have noticed in my experience that when there are VERY MIXED TRs (such as the extremely good Jupiter/Ven ones over the UK chart right now - PLUS the very bad ones going on for UK also) - In my opinion/observations, astrologers tend to have some difficulty in "knowing" which way it will turn out - and only higher powers (instead of mortals - or at least instead of myself :-) ) will know which way something will swing - will it turn benefic or malefic? This is in no way a personal comment against anyone/any system of astrology! On a personal comparison to what I have just said, I have been discussing my own chart TRs off-list with some Samva/Satva members - Virgo lagna like the UK ;-) - Right now I have the extremely malefic TR station 6th Lord Saturn afflicting my NT FB 2nd Lord Venus by 94% - at the same time, TR FB 4th Lord Jupiter and NT Jupiter are in PERFECT trines to each other - and so it has been in my life these last few days - the good transits are bringing me good - and the bad transits are trying to block/reduce these good things. Cheers - Sat. ======== - Jorge Angelino SAMVA Sunday, November 07, 2004 12:35 AM RE: UK - Train derailment - Berkshire According with SA, your analysis is correct. The Moon, karaka for the 4th house, Jupiter, ruler of the 4th house, and Venus are all ruling vehicles and transports. As UK is now in Mo/Ve/Ju, let me add also some non-SA points that can help us understand why the apparently well placed Venus and Jupiter have not been able to protect their general and particular significations, respectively: ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release 02/11/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2004 Report Share Posted November 6, 2004 Dear Sateesh, As recommends us, everything should be properly analyzed. Sometimes, we tend to overlook some aspects. That is human, but that is also why the constant practice and the correct guidance are so important. Cheers, Jorge Sateesh Batas [makara] domingo, 7 de Novembro de 2004 00:46 SAMVA Re: UK - Train derailment - Berkshire Dear Jorge, Many thanks - you are right - I mentioned the Moon, but in my haste overlooked it is not just afflicted by Rahu but is Karaka for 4th. I was also curious as to why in Venus AD and Jupiter PD, TR Venus and TR Jupiter bang over MEP 1 did not protect the UK. However, I have noticed in my experience that when there are VERY MIXED TRs (such as the extremely good Jupiter/Ven ones over the UK chart right now - PLUS the very bad ones going on for UK also) - In my opinion/observations, astrologers tend to have some difficulty in " knowing " which way it will turn out - and only higher powers (instead of mortals - or at least instead of myself :-) ) will know which way something will swing - will it turn benefic or malefic? This is in no way a personal comment against anyone/any system of astrology! On a personal comparison to what I have just said, I have been discussing my own chart TRs off-list with some Samva/Satva members - Virgo lagna like the UK ;-) - Right now I have the extremely malefic TR station 6th Lord Saturn afflicting my NT FB 2nd Lord Venus by 94% - at the same time, TR FB 4th Lord Jupiter and NT Jupiter are in PERFECT trines to each other - and so it has been in my life these last few days - the good transits are bringing me good - and the bad transits are trying to block/reduce these good things. Cheers - Sat. ======== - Jorge Angelino SAMVA Sunday, November 07, 2004 12:35 AM RE: UK - Train derailment - Berkshire According with SA, your analysis is correct. The Moon, karaka for the 4th house, Jupiter, ruler of the 4th house, and Venus are all ruling vehicles and transports. As UK is now in Mo/Ve/Ju, let me add also some non-SA points that can help us understand why the apparently well placed Venus and Jupiter have not been able to protect their general and particular significations, respectively: --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release 02/11/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2004 Report Share Posted November 6, 2004 Dear Jorge, This is also true - however, I personally feel there are times when the planets are configured in such a way, they will not "allow" us to "know" what/which way things will happen - for a higher reason. I agree though that there may be something one has not seen that will later come to light - in some cases though, not all. Cheers - Sat. ======== - Jorge Angelino SAMVA Sunday, November 07, 2004 12:58 AM RE: UK - Train derailment - Berkshire Dear Sateesh, As recommends us, everything should be properly analyzed. Sometimes, we tend to overlook some aspects. That is human, but that is also why the constant practice and the correct guidance are so important. ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release 02/11/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2004 Report Share Posted November 7, 2004 Dear Jorge and List, One other thing about the exact opposition of 12th Lord TR Sun (in Neecha) with NT 8th Lord Mars, in this incident - has always advised to take both the MT Lordship AND the NATAL PLACEMENT of involved planets into account, as to what they will represent/manifest - Natally - 8th Lord Mars is IN the 8th (Accidents and Accidents) - and the 12th Lord Sun is NATALLY ON the 4th MEP (Vehicles). (Losses and Vehicles). So this explains things perfectly. Cheers - Sat. ======== - Sateesh Batas Samva List Cc: Jyotish Group ; valist Saturday, November 06, 2004 11:36 PM UK - Train derailment - Berkshire Dear Samva, (Other lists - lease note, this is an SA analysis) - ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release 01/11/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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