ELECTORAL COLLEGE Vote: The Double 13 of the Next 4 Years

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Hi Group

 

On Monday at 12:00 noon Presidential electors in the 50 states and the District of Columbia convene to cast their votes for the President and Vice President of the United States.

 

December 13, 2004 is the American nation's real election day, constitutionally speaking.

 

Numerologically, 12 + "13" + 24 = "13" .. Day "13" ... Destiny "13" ...

 

A double "13", as in "04", happens to be problematically Plutonic, on this, a quadrennial American national election day.

 

May I please ask that someone cast a horoscope for 12:00 noon 12/13/2004 @ Washington, D.C. and comment on the chart's major significances, in particular on the conjunction of the Sun and Pluto @ 27"14' Scorpio @ the MC. ????

 

My best to everyone,

 

John

 

 

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hi john,

 

well its hard to know if that date signifies anything as it was not

the actual election date.

 

the number four is associated with rahu.

 

in the context of this chart. Pluto and Sun both sit on the MC at 27

Sc at 28 Sc. Mars is semi sextile from libra at 27. thats not

considered a vedic aspect of course and I dont use them. but as its

the ruler and we are looking at this chart

 

Venus sun mercury make a rajayoga combination of course.

 

Sun is atmakaraka, and in any case signifies soul. Pluto is

transmutation, sometimes dramatically. We could see it as

transmutation of soul and role as signified by qoth house. Sun also

rules 7th house.

 

Now I dontknow if the date means anything at all so that may all be

irrelevant..

 

nevertheless I noticed this news item tonight. see below

 

 

dawn woodhouse

 

http://story.news./news?

tmpl=story & cid=96 & e=20 & u=/space/strongmeteorshowerpeaksmondaynight

 

Strong Meteor Shower Peaks Monday Night

 

Fri Dec 10, 3:33 PM ET Science - Space.com

 

 

Joe Rao

SPACE.com Night Sky Columnist

SPACE.com

 

 

 

 

If you were disappointed with the meager showing put on by this

year's Leonid meteor shower, don't fret. What could be the best

meteor display of the year is scheduled to reach its peak on Monday

night, Dec. 13.

 

 

Skywatchers with dark skies away from city lights could see one or

two meteors every minute during the Geminid meteor shower. The

greatest activity is expected to be visible from North America,

Europe and Africa.

 

 

The Geminids get their name from the constellation of Gemini, the

Twins. On the night of this shower's maximum, the meteors will appear

to emanate from a spot in the sky near the bright star Castor in

Gemini. [sky Map ]

 

 

Typically strong

 

 

The Geminid meteors are usually the most satisfying of all the annual

showers, even surpassing the famous Perseids of August. Studies of

past displays show that this shower has a reputation for being rich

both in slow, bright, graceful meteors and fireballs as well as faint

meteors, with relatively fewer objects of medium brightness.

 

 

Geminids typically encounter Earth at 22 miles per second (35

kilometers per second), roughly half the speed of a Leonid meteor.

Many Geminids are yellowish in hue. Some even appear to form jagged

or divided paths.

 

 

The Earth moves quickly through this meteor stream. Rates increase

steadily for two or three days before maximum. So over the weekend,

viewers between midnight and dawn might see a shooting star every few

minutes. The number of meteors drops off sharply after the peak.

Renegade forerunners and late stragglers might be seen for a week or

more before and after maximum.

 

 

Ideal conditions

 

 

The Geminids perform excellently in any year, but British meteor

astronomer Alastair McBeath has expects a " superb year " in 2004. Last

year's display was seriously compromised by bright moonlight, when a

bright gibbous Moon came up over the horizon during the late evening

hours and washed-out many of the fainter Geminid streaks.

 

 

But this year, the Moon will be at New phase Dec. 11. On the peak

night, the Moon will be a skinny crescent, low in the west-southwest

at dusk and setting before 6 p.m. That means the sky will be dark and

moonless for the balance of the night, making for perfect viewing

conditions.

 

 

According to McBeath, the Geminids are predicted to reach peak

activity on Monday at 22:20 GMT, which is 5:20 p.m. EST. Locations

from Europe and North Africa east to central Russian and Chinese

longitudes are in the best position to catch the very crest of the

shower, when the rates conceivably could exceed 120 per hour, or two

every minute. [Predictions for Select Cities]

 

 

Maximum rates persist at only marginally reduced levels for some 6 to

10 hours, McBeath says, so other places, such as North America,

should enjoy some fine Geminid activity as well.

 

 

When to watch

 

 

Indeed, under normal conditions on the night of maximum activity,

with ideal dark-sky conditions, at least 60 to 120 Geminid meteors

can be expected to burst across the sky every hour on the average.

Light pollution greatly cuts the numbers, so city and suburban

dwellers will see far fewer.

 

 

Generally speaking, depending on your location, Gemini begins to come

up above the east-northeast horizon right around the time evening

twilight is coming to an end. So you might catch sight of a few early

Geminids as soon as the sky gets dark. There is a fair chance of

perhaps catching sight of some " Earth-grazing " meteors.

 

 

Earthgrazers are long, bright shooting stars that streak overhead

from a point near to even just below the horizon. Such meteors are so

distinctive because they follow long paths nearly parallel to our

atmosphere.

 

 

Jimmy Westlake imaged this Geminid in 1985. Click to enlarge it. More

about the image below.

 

 

 

 

 

The Geminids begin to appear noticeably more numerous in the hours

after 10 p.m. local time Monday, because the shower's radiant is

already fairly high in the eastern sky by then. The best views,

however, come around 2 a.m. Tuesday, when their radiant point will be

passing very nearly overhead. The higher a shower's radiant, the more

meteors it produces all over the sky.

 

How to prepare

 

This time of year, meteor watching can be a long, cold business. The

late Henry Neely, who for many years served as a lecturer at New

York's Hayden Planetarium, once had this to say about watching for

the Geminids: " Take the advice of a man whose teeth have chattered on

many a winter's night - wrap up much more warmly than you think is

necessary. "

 

Hot cocoa or coffee can take the edge off the chill, as well as

provide a slight stimulus. It's even better if you can observe with

friends. That way, you can keep each other awake, as well as cover

more sky.

 

Give your eyes 15 minutes or more to adapt to the darkness before

getting serious about meteor watching. And have something comfortable

to sit on; a lounge chair will allow you to stare up for long periods

without straining your neck.

 

Geminids stand apart from the other meteor showers in that they seem

to have been spawned not by a comet, but by 3200 Phaeton, an Earth-

crossing asteroid. Then again, the Geminids may be comet debris after

all, for some astronomers consider Phaeton to really be the dead

nucleus of a burned-out comet that somehow got trapped into an

unusually tight orbit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SAMVA , John TWB <jtwbjakarta> wrote:

> Hi Group

>

> On Monday at 12:00 noon Presidential electors in the 50 states and

the District of Columbia convene to cast their votes for the

President and Vice President of the United States.

>

> December 13, 2004 is the American nation's real election day,

constitutionally speaking.

>

> Numerologically, 12 + " 13 " + 24 = " 13 " .. Day " 13 " ...

Destiny " 13 " ...

>

> A double " 13 " , as in " 04 " , happens to be problematically Plutonic,

on this, a quadrennial American national election day.

>

> May I please ask that someone cast a horoscope for 12:00 noon

12/13/2004 @ Washington, D.C. and comment on the chart's major

significances, in particular on the conjunction of the Sun and Pluto

@ 27 " 14' Scorpio @ the MC. ????

>

> My best to everyone,

>

> John

>

>

>

> ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun!

>

>

>

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Thanks Dawn for your efforts.

 

However, I fear you've confused everybody by concluding that this day may have no significance. To the contrary, in just twenty minutes time from this writing the Electoral College voting ceremonies begin on the East Coast USA and later throughout the time zones of the day, further west.

 

Today is the quadrennial real election day. If you don't understand my point I recommend you telephone Al Gore's office. Since December 2000 he has understood my point perfectly.

 

Regards,

 

JohnDawn <astrodawnau wrote:

hi john,well its hard to know if that date signifies anything as it was not the actual election date.the number four is associated with rahu.in the context of this chart. Pluto and Sun both sit on the MC at 27 Sc at 28 Sc. Mars is semi sextile from libra at 27. thats not considered a vedic aspect of course and I dont use them. but as its the ruler and we are looking at this chartVenus sun mercury make a rajayoga combination of course.Sun is atmakaraka, and in any case signifies soul. Pluto is transmutation, sometimes dramatically. We could see it as transmutation of soul and role as signified by qoth house. Sun also rules 7th house.Now I dontknow if the date means anything at all so that may all be irrelevant.. nevertheless I noticed this news item tonight. see

belowdawn woodhousehttp://story.news./news?tmpl=story & cid=96 & e=20 & u=/space/strongmeteorshowerpeaksmondaynightStrong Meteor Shower Peaks Monday NightFri Dec 10, 3:33 PM ET Science - Space.com Joe RaoSPACE.com Night Sky ColumnistSPACE.com If you were disappointed with the meager showing put on by this year's Leonid meteor shower, don't fret. What could be the best meteor display of the year is scheduled to reach its peak on Monday night, Dec. 13.Skywatchers with dark skies away from city lights could see one or two meteors every minute during the Geminid meteor shower. The greatest activity is expected to be visible from North America, Europe and Africa.The Geminids get their name from the constellation of Gemini, the Twins. On the night of this shower's maximum,

the meteors will appear to emanate from a spot in the sky near the bright star Castor in Gemini. [sky Map ]Typically strongThe Geminid meteors are usually the most satisfying of all the annual showers, even surpassing the famous Perseids of August. Studies of past displays show that this shower has a reputation for being rich both in slow, bright, graceful meteors and fireballs as well as faint meteors, with relatively fewer objects of medium brightness. Geminids typically encounter Earth at 22 miles per second (35 kilometers per second), roughly half the speed of a Leonid meteor. Many Geminids are yellowish in hue. Some even appear to form jagged or divided paths. The Earth moves quickly through this meteor stream. Rates increase steadily for two or three days before maximum. So over the weekend, viewers between midnight and dawn might see a shooting star every few minutes. The number of

meteors drops off sharply after the peak. Renegade forerunners and late stragglers might be seen for a week or more before and after maximum.Ideal conditionsThe Geminids perform excellently in any year, but British meteor astronomer Alastair McBeath has expects a "superb year" in 2004. Last year's display was seriously compromised by bright moonlight, when a bright gibbous Moon came up over the horizon during the late evening hours and washed-out many of the fainter Geminid streaks. But this year, the Moon will be at New phase Dec. 11. On the peak night, the Moon will be a skinny crescent, low in the west-southwest at dusk and setting before 6 p.m. That means the sky will be dark and moonless for the balance of the night, making for perfect viewing conditions.According to McBeath, the Geminids are predicted to reach peak activity on Monday at 22:20 GMT, which is 5:20 p.m. EST. Locations

from Europe and North Africa east to central Russian and Chinese longitudes are in the best position to catch the very crest of the shower, when the rates conceivably could exceed 120 per hour, or two every minute. [Predictions for Select Cities]Maximum rates persist at only marginally reduced levels for some 6 to 10 hours, McBeath says, so other places, such as North America, should enjoy some fine Geminid activity as well. When to watchIndeed, under normal conditions on the night of maximum activity, with ideal dark-sky conditions, at least 60 to 120 Geminid meteors can be expected to burst across the sky every hour on the average. Light pollution greatly cuts the numbers, so city and suburban dwellers will see far fewer. Generally speaking, depending on your location, Gemini begins to come up above the east-northeast horizon right around the time evening twilight is coming to an end.

So you might catch sight of a few early Geminids as soon as the sky gets dark. There is a fair chance of perhaps catching sight of some "Earth-grazing" meteors. Earthgrazers are long, bright shooting stars that streak overhead from a point near to even just below the horizon. Such meteors are so distinctive because they follow long paths nearly parallel to our atmosphere. Jimmy Westlake imaged this Geminid in 1985. Click to enlarge it. More about the image below. The Geminids begin to appear noticeably more numerous in the hours after 10 p.m. local time Monday, because the shower's radiant is already fairly high in the eastern sky by then. The best views, however, come around 2 a.m. Tuesday, when their radiant point will be passing very nearly overhead. The higher a shower's radiant, the more meteors it produces all over the sky. How to prepareThis time of

year, meteor watching can be a long, cold business. The late Henry Neely, who for many years served as a lecturer at New York's Hayden Planetarium, once had this to say about watching for the Geminids: "Take the advice of a man whose teeth have chattered on many a winter's night - wrap up much more warmly than you think is necessary." Hot cocoa or coffee can take the edge off the chill, as well as provide a slight stimulus. It's even better if you can observe with friends. That way, you can keep each other awake, as well as cover more sky. Give your eyes 15 minutes or more to adapt to the darkness before getting serious about meteor watching. And have something comfortable to sit on; a lounge chair will allow you to stare up for long periods without straining your neck.Geminids stand apart from the other meteor showers in that they seem to have been spawned not by a comet, but by 3200 Phaeton, an

Earth-crossing asteroid. Then again, the Geminids may be comet debris after all, for some astronomers consider Phaeton to really be the dead nucleus of a burned-out comet that somehow got trapped into an unusually tight orbit.SAMVA , John TWB <jtwbjakarta> wrote:> Hi Group> > On Monday at 12:00 noon Presidential electors in the 50 states and the District of Columbia convene to cast their votes for the President and Vice President of the United States.> > December 13, 2004 is the American nation's real election day, constitutionally speaking.> > Numerologically, 12 + "13" + 24 = "13" .. Day "13" ... Destiny "13" ... > > A double "13", as in "04", happens to be problematically Plutonic, on this, a quadrennial American national election day.> > May I please ask that someone cast a

horoscope for 12:00 noon 12/13/2004 @ Washington, D.C. and comment on the chart's major significances, in particular on the conjunction of the Sun and Pluto @ 27"14' Scorpio @ the MC. ????> > My best to everyone,> > John> > > > ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! > > > > ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun!

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John

 

My disadvantage at understanding your point might be from not being a

local.

 

I have just done a search on the internet and it says thats the day

the election becomes official, as those in the electoral college cast

their vote on the 13th. So that clarifies your point.

 

 

dawn

 

 

 

SAMVA , John TWB <jtwbjakarta> wrote:

> Thanks Dawn for your efforts.

>

> However, I fear you've confused everybody by concluding that this

day may have no significance. To the contrary, in just twenty minutes

time from this writing the Electoral College voting ceremonies begin

on the East Coast USA and later throughout the time zones of the day,

further west.

>

> Today is the quadrennial real election day. If you don't understand

my point I recommend you telephone Al Gore's office. Since December

2000 he has understood my point perfectly.

>

> Regards,

>

> John

>

> Dawn <astrodawnau> wrote:

>

>

> hi john,

>

> well its hard to know if that date signifies anything as it was not

> the actual election date.

>

> the number four is associated with rahu.

>

> in the context of this chart. Pluto and Sun both sit on the MC at

27

> Sc at 28 Sc. Mars is semi sextile from libra at 27. thats not

> considered a vedic aspect of course and I dont use them. but as

its

> the ruler and we are looking at this chart

>

> Venus sun mercury make a rajayoga combination of course.

>

> Sun is atmakaraka, and in any case signifies soul. Pluto is

> transmutation, sometimes dramatically. We could see it as

> transmutation of soul and role as signified by qoth house. Sun also

> rules 7th house.

>

> Now I dontknow if the date means anything at all so that may all be

> irrelevant..

>

> nevertheless I noticed this news item tonight. see below

>

>

> dawn woodhouse

>

> http://story.news./news?

> tmpl=story & cid=96 & e=20 & u=/space/strongmeteorshowerpeaksmondaynight

>

> Strong Meteor Shower Peaks Monday Night

>

> Fri Dec 10, 3:33 PM ET Science - Space.com

>

>

> Joe Rao

> SPACE.com Night Sky Columnist

> SPACE.com

>

>

>

>

> If you were disappointed with the meager showing put on by this

> year's Leonid meteor shower, don't fret. What could be the best

> meteor display of the year is scheduled to reach its peak on Monday

> night, Dec. 13.

>

>

> Skywatchers with dark skies away from city lights could see one or

> two meteors every minute during the Geminid meteor shower. The

> greatest activity is expected to be visible from North America,

> Europe and Africa.

>

>

> The Geminids get their name from the constellation of Gemini, the

> Twins. On the night of this shower's maximum, the meteors will

appear

> to emanate from a spot in the sky near the bright star Castor in

> Gemini. [sky Map ]

>

>

> Typically strong

>

>

> The Geminid meteors are usually the most satisfying of all the

annual

> showers, even surpassing the famous Perseids of August. Studies of

> past displays show that this shower has a reputation for being rich

> both in slow, bright, graceful meteors and fireballs as well as

faint

> meteors, with relatively fewer objects of medium brightness.

>

>

> Geminids typically encounter Earth at 22 miles per second (35

> kilometers per second), roughly half the speed of a Leonid meteor.

> Many Geminids are yellowish in hue. Some even appear to form jagged

> or divided paths.

>

>

> The Earth moves quickly through this meteor stream. Rates increase

> steadily for two or three days before maximum. So over the weekend,

> viewers between midnight and dawn might see a shooting star every

few

> minutes. The number of meteors drops off sharply after the peak.

> Renegade forerunners and late stragglers might be seen for a week

or

> more before and after maximum.

>

>

> Ideal conditions

>

>

> The Geminids perform excellently in any year, but British meteor

> astronomer Alastair McBeath has expects a " superb year " in 2004.

Last

> year's display was seriously compromised by bright moonlight, when

a

> bright gibbous Moon came up over the horizon during the late

evening

> hours and washed-out many of the fainter Geminid streaks.

>

>

> But this year, the Moon will be at New phase Dec. 11. On the peak

> night, the Moon will be a skinny crescent, low in the west-

southwest

> at dusk and setting before 6 p.m. That means the sky will be dark

and

> moonless for the balance of the night, making for perfect viewing

> conditions.

>

>

> According to McBeath, the Geminids are predicted to reach peak

> activity on Monday at 22:20 GMT, which is 5:20 p.m. EST. Locations

> from Europe and North Africa east to central Russian and Chinese

> longitudes are in the best position to catch the very crest of the

> shower, when the rates conceivably could exceed 120 per hour, or

two

> every minute. [Predictions for Select Cities]

>

>

> Maximum rates persist at only marginally reduced levels for some 6

to

> 10 hours, McBeath says, so other places, such as North America,

> should enjoy some fine Geminid activity as well.

>

>

> When to watch

>

>

> Indeed, under normal conditions on the night of maximum activity,

> with ideal dark-sky conditions, at least 60 to 120 Geminid meteors

> can be expected to burst across the sky every hour on the average.

> Light pollution greatly cuts the numbers, so city and suburban

> dwellers will see far fewer.

>

>

> Generally speaking, depending on your location, Gemini begins to

come

> up above the east-northeast horizon right around the time evening

> twilight is coming to an end. So you might catch sight of a few

early

> Geminids as soon as the sky gets dark. There is a fair chance of

> perhaps catching sight of some " Earth-grazing " meteors.

>

>

> Earthgrazers are long, bright shooting stars that streak overhead

> from a point near to even just below the horizon. Such meteors are

so

> distinctive because they follow long paths nearly parallel to our

> atmosphere.

>

>

> Jimmy Westlake imaged this Geminid in 1985. Click to enlarge it.

More

> about the image below.

>

>

>

>

>

> The Geminids begin to appear noticeably more numerous in the hours

> after 10 p.m. local time Monday, because the shower's radiant is

> already fairly high in the eastern sky by then. The best views,

> however, come around 2 a.m. Tuesday, when their radiant point will

be

> passing very nearly overhead. The higher a shower's radiant, the

more

> meteors it produces all over the sky.

>

> How to prepare

>

> This time of year, meteor watching can be a long, cold business.

The

> late Henry Neely, who for many years served as a lecturer at New

> York's Hayden Planetarium, once had this to say about watching for

> the Geminids: " Take the advice of a man whose teeth have chattered

on

> many a winter's night - wrap up much more warmly than you think is

> necessary. "

>

> Hot cocoa or coffee can take the edge off the chill, as well as

> provide a slight stimulus. It's even better if you can observe with

> friends. That way, you can keep each other awake, as well as cover

> more sky.

>

> Give your eyes 15 minutes or more to adapt to the darkness before

> getting serious about meteor watching. And have something

comfortable

> to sit on; a lounge chair will allow you to stare up for long

periods

> without straining your neck.

>

> Geminids stand apart from the other meteor showers in that they

seem

> to have been spawned not by a comet, but by 3200 Phaeton, an Earth-

> crossing asteroid. Then again, the Geminids may be comet debris

after

> all, for some astronomers consider Phaeton to really be the dead

> nucleus of a burned-out comet that somehow got trapped into an

> unusually tight orbit.

>

SAMVA , John TWB <jtwbjakarta> wrote:

> > Hi Group

> >

> > On Monday at 12:00 noon Presidential electors in the 50 states

and

> the District of Columbia convene to cast their votes for the

> President and Vice President of the United States.

> >

> > December 13, 2004 is the American nation's real election day,

> constitutionally speaking.

> >

> > Numerologically, 12 + " 13 " + 24 = " 13 " .. Day " 13 " ...

> Destiny " 13 " ...

> >

> > A double " 13 " , as in " 04 " , happens to be problematically

Plutonic,

> on this, a quadrennial American national election day.

> >

> > May I please ask that someone cast a horoscope for 12:00 noon

> 12/13/2004 @ Washington, D.C. and comment on the chart's major

> significances, in particular on the conjunction of the Sun and

Pluto

> @ 27 " 14' Scorpio @ the MC. ????

> >

> > My best to everyone,

> >

> > John

> >

> >

> >

> > ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun!

> >

> >

> >

> > ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun!

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes John,

 

To comment on this chart.. even as Pluto is not used in the SA. I will

say this. It rules Scorpio in the West, and how interesting it is

right on top of the Sun (president), combining control, authority,

transformation and death.. A new purpose

is at hand-with the Sun being with Pluto. Gung ho!

 

"Pluto represents the principle of regeneration and

transformation through elimination and renewal." Very powerful. Pluto

represents a higher octave of Mars therefore deeper and more subtle and

intense. "Conjunctions unite planets in an instinctual way, pure

unchecked expression or action. " Jeff Green.

 

I see that the new administration is implementing it's new policy on

the environment, allowing oil drilling in nature reserves making

assumptions that the American people voted for it when it was barely

mentioned in the election speeches. This to me is autocratic rule at

it's height. Then there is the war issue.

 

Eighth lord on the tenth, beliefs of the masses..

 

Sixth lord on eleventh, guess the war or war like behavior will

continue for some time..

 

Aloha,

 

Sally

 

John TWB wrote:

 

 

 

Hi Group

 

On Monday at 12:00 noon Presidential electors in the 50 states

and the District of Columbia convene to cast their votes for the

President and Vice President of the United States.

 

December 13, 2004 is the American nation's real election day,

constitutionally speaking.

 

Numerologically, 12 + "13" + 24 = "13" .. Day "13" ... Destiny

"13" ...

 

A double "13", as in "04", happens to be problematically

Plutonic, on this, a quadrennial American national election day.

 

May I please ask that someone cast a horoscope for 12:00 noon

12/13/2004 @ Washington, D.C. and comment on the chart's major

significances, in particular on the conjunction of the Sun and Pluto @

27"14' Scorpio @ the MC. ????

 

My best to everyone,

 

John

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Dawn

 

If it's any consolation, many if not most of the U.S. "locals" appear to be quite ignorant on this point of Constitutional requirement for the presidential election.

 

Consider all the astrologers who, in the year 2000, forecast the victory of Al Gore in the early November popular election. Their forecasts were "correct" ...but correct only for that day. Problem was that the race wasn't over until the second Monday in December...And its results weren't counted until the first week of January. Al Gore won in November; but lost to George Bush in December 2000.

 

The finish line of this quadrennial race is always December. This anomaly had happened before in American election history, including times when there was no "winner" in December, thus forcing the election to be re-run in the House of Representatives in January.. The lesson for the astrologer is to cast the election horoscope first for December, then for January; not November.

 

As for the astrological implications of today's conjunction of a Day number 13 & Date number 13 (a Day/Destiny Plutonic Double "13") with the Sun exactly, to-the-minute-of-arc, conjunct Pluto in the 28th deg Scorpio, at 12:00 noon over Washington, D.C, at the moment of the start of the Electoral College's constitutionally mandated work. This fated conjunction symbolizes a national election stolen from the Democratic challenger by the incumbent, thru computer fraud in Ohio and Florida; yet so successfully executed so to leave most of America and the world incredulous to the truth of what really happened. Sun/Pluto in Scorpio conjunct DECEPTION, as it

were.

 

In America it used to be said that all's fair in love and war. Now it appears that after the two most recent national election contests, in the years 2000 and 2004, that the new old-saying is : All's fair in love, war and American Presidential elections.

 

Sad really. From a once great nation, now in decline.

 

Best wishes,

 

John (American)

 

Dawn <astrodawnau wrote:

JohnMy disadvantage at understanding your point might be from not being a local. I have just done a search on the internet and it says thats the day the election becomes official, as those in the electoral college cast their vote on the 13th. So that clarifies your point.dawnSAMVA , John TWB <jtwbjakarta> wrote:> Thanks Dawn for your efforts.> > However, I fear you've confused everybody by concluding that this day may have no significance. To the contrary, in just twenty minutes time from this writing the Electoral College voting ceremonies begin on the East Coast USA and later throughout the time zones of the day, further west.> > Today is the quadrennial real election day. If you don't understand my point I

recommend you telephone Al Gore's office. Since December 2000 he has understood my point perfectly.> > Regards,> > John> > Dawn <astrodawnau> wrote:> > > hi john,> > well its hard to know if that date signifies anything as it was not > the actual election date.> > the number four is associated with rahu.> > in the context of this chart. Pluto and Sun both sit on the MC at 27 > Sc at 28 Sc. Mars is semi sextile from libra at 27. thats not > considered a vedic aspect of course and I dont use them. but as its > the ruler and we are looking at this chart> > Venus sun mercury make a rajayoga combination of course.> > Sun is atmakaraka, and in any case signifies soul. Pluto is > transmutation, sometimes dramatically. We could see it as > transmutation of soul and role as

signified by qoth house. Sun also > rules 7th house.> > Now I dontknow if the date means anything at all so that may all be > irrelevant.. > > nevertheless I noticed this news item tonight. see below> > > dawn woodhouse> > http://story.news./news?> tmpl=story & cid=96 & e=20 & u=/space/strongmeteorshowerpeaksmondaynight> > Strong Meteor Shower Peaks Monday Night> > Fri Dec 10, 3:33 PM ET Science - Space.com > > > Joe Rao> SPACE.com Night Sky Columnist> SPACE.com > > > > > If you were disappointed with the meager showing put on by this > year's Leonid meteor shower, don't fret. What could be the best > meteor display of the year is scheduled to reach its peak on Monday > night, Dec.

13.> > > Skywatchers with dark skies away from city lights could see one or > two meteors every minute during the Geminid meteor shower. The > greatest activity is expected to be visible from North America, > Europe and Africa.> > > The Geminids get their name from the constellation of Gemini, the > Twins. On the night of this shower's maximum, the meteors will appear > to emanate from a spot in the sky near the bright star Castor in > Gemini. [sky Map ]> > > Typically strong> > > The Geminid meteors are usually the most satisfying of all the annual > showers, even surpassing the famous Perseids of August. Studies of > past displays show that this shower has a reputation for being rich > both in slow, bright, graceful meteors and fireballs as well as faint > meteors, with relatively fewer objects of medium brightness.

> > > Geminids typically encounter Earth at 22 miles per second (35 > kilometers per second), roughly half the speed of a Leonid meteor. > Many Geminids are yellowish in hue. Some even appear to form jagged > or divided paths. > > > The Earth moves quickly through this meteor stream. Rates increase > steadily for two or three days before maximum. So over the weekend, > viewers between midnight and dawn might see a shooting star every few > minutes. The number of meteors drops off sharply after the peak. > Renegade forerunners and late stragglers might be seen for a week or > more before and after maximum.> > > Ideal conditions> > > The Geminids perform excellently in any year, but British meteor > astronomer Alastair McBeath has expects a "superb year" in 2004. Last > year's display was seriously compromised by bright

moonlight, when a > bright gibbous Moon came up over the horizon during the late evening > hours and washed-out many of the fainter Geminid streaks. > > > But this year, the Moon will be at New phase Dec. 11. On the peak > night, the Moon will be a skinny crescent, low in the west-southwest > at dusk and setting before 6 p.m. That means the sky will be dark and > moonless for the balance of the night, making for perfect viewing > conditions.> > > According to McBeath, the Geminids are predicted to reach peak > activity on Monday at 22:20 GMT, which is 5:20 p.m. EST. Locations > from Europe and North Africa east to central Russian and Chinese > longitudes are in the best position to catch the very crest of the > shower, when the rates conceivably could exceed 120 per hour, or two > every minute. [Predictions for Select Cities]> >

> Maximum rates persist at only marginally reduced levels for some 6 to > 10 hours, McBeath says, so other places, such as North America, > should enjoy some fine Geminid activity as well. > > > When to watch> > > Indeed, under normal conditions on the night of maximum activity, > with ideal dark-sky conditions, at least 60 to 120 Geminid meteors > can be expected to burst across the sky every hour on the average. > Light pollution greatly cuts the numbers, so city and suburban > dwellers will see far fewer. > > > Generally speaking, depending on your location, Gemini begins to come > up above the east-northeast horizon right around the time evening > twilight is coming to an end. So you might catch sight of a few early > Geminids as soon as the sky gets dark. There is a fair chance of > perhaps catching sight of some "Earth-grazing"

meteors. > > > Earthgrazers are long, bright shooting stars that streak overhead > from a point near to even just below the horizon. Such meteors are so > distinctive because they follow long paths nearly parallel to our > atmosphere. > > > Jimmy Westlake imaged this Geminid in 1985. Click to enlarge it. More > about the image below. > > > > > > The Geminids begin to appear noticeably more numerous in the hours > after 10 p.m. local time Monday, because the shower's radiant is > already fairly high in the eastern sky by then. The best views, > however, come around 2 a.m. Tuesday, when their radiant point will be > passing very nearly overhead. The higher a shower's radiant, the more > meteors it produces all over the sky. > > How to prepare> > This time of year, meteor

watching can be a long, cold business. The > late Henry Neely, who for many years served as a lecturer at New > York's Hayden Planetarium, once had this to say about watching for > the Geminids: "Take the advice of a man whose teeth have chattered on > many a winter's night - wrap up much more warmly than you think is > necessary." > > Hot cocoa or coffee can take the edge off the chill, as well as > provide a slight stimulus. It's even better if you can observe with > friends. That way, you can keep each other awake, as well as cover > more sky. > > Give your eyes 15 minutes or more to adapt to the darkness before > getting serious about meteor watching. And have something comfortable > to sit on; a lounge chair will allow you to stare up for long periods > without straining your neck.> > Geminids stand apart from the other meteor showers in that

they seem > to have been spawned not by a comet, but by 3200 Phaeton, an Earth-> crossing asteroid. Then again, the Geminids may be comet debris after > all, for some astronomers consider Phaeton to really be the dead > nucleus of a burned-out comet that somehow got trapped into an > unusually tight orbit.> > > > > > > > SAMVA , John TWB <jtwbjakarta> wrote:> > Hi Group> > > > On Monday at 12:00 noon Presidential electors in the 50 states and > the District of Columbia convene to cast their votes for the > President and Vice President of the United States.> > > > December 13, 2004 is the American nation's real election day, > constitutionally speaking.> > > > Numerologically, 12 + "13" + 24 = "13" .. Day "13" ... > Destiny "13" ...

> > > > A double "13", as in "04", happens to be problematically Plutonic, > on this, a quadrennial American national election day.> > > > May I please ask that someone cast a horoscope for 12:00 noon > 12/13/2004 @ Washington, D.C. and comment on the chart's major > significances, in particular on the conjunction of the Sun and Pluto > @ 27"14' Scorpio @ the MC. ????> > > > My best to everyone,> > > > John> > > > > > > > ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! > > > > > > > > ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun!> > > > >

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