2-sanjay Mark 5/12 re...ego & letting go....

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Dear Sanjay:

 

See below:

 

 

 

" saggarwal_4 " <saggarwal_4

 

Mon, 10 May 2004 18:44:50 -0000

 

2-Mark: EGO -- Letting Go Or Expanding To!

 

 

> I think we are talking about the same thing....

 

Yes Mark :-).

 

It is all in the Understanding :-).

 

There are many paths to God. It does not matter which Path we take.

In the end all Paths lead to Him Only.

 

I agree, I too think that all paths lead to God...

 

but, each one of us has a particular path, that our charts...express very well.....

 

so, the extent to which we're in-tune with our charts...which represents our particular path...

then we'll be the most successful....

 

 

 

 

 

Once we have seen our own death with our own eyes, once we have died

in the Self, we will never die again.

 

Once we 'die' to our ignorance....

 

and get re-born...to our true Selves....

 

 

 

Mark

 

 

By losing ourSelf we shall find our Self; by dying we shall live.

 

A great being said it beautifully " When I met the pure One, I became

Pure. My ego was erased and I became God " .

 

OM TAT SAT.

 

--Sanjay Aggarwal

jyotish_tat_sat

 

, Mark Kincaid

<m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> Dear Sanjay:

>

> I think we are talking about the same thing....

>

> because even in my case, the 'expansion' of the ego, which is how

I like to

> say it...

> is a loss of previous limitations and smallnesses of ego....

>

> feelings of self-limitations, feelings of lack of self-worth,

smallness, or

> even feelings of superiority....

>

> this is why we talk about the need to change our normal

ego....situation....

>

> But, your words today, conjured up another way of thinking about

our two

> different descriptions...

>

> See below:

>

>

>

> " saggarwal_4 " <saggarwal_4>

>

> Mon, 10 May 2004 07:46:16 -0000

>

> Re: EGO -- Letting Go.

>

>

> > One of my Guru's favorite expressions is that .... " the ego does

> not need to

> > be made smaller, or extinguished, or eliminated....but in fact,

> > expanded.... "

>

> Very nice Mark!!

>

> To give up the ego means to merge it in the bliss of the Self, to

> dissolve our smallness into the vastness of Consciousness. When

> bubbles arise on the surface of the ocean, they seem to be

different

> from the ocean, but after a while, the bubbles burst and merge back

> into the ocean. In the same way, when our bubble of ego bursts, our

> sense of limitation leaves us, we will realize we are nothing but

> that Consciousness.

>

> Once the ego leaves, then what is left is the inner Self.

>

> Once the ego leaves,....today....struck me as a Saturn way of

describing the

> experience....

>

> 'Once the ego leaves'....or once the ego lessens....

> reminds me of one of the ways one can describe 'transcendence'....

>

> Sometimes, when one is meditating... .... one feels like one is

getting

> smaller and smaller,

> and at some point one is very condensed, though very quiet and

still....

>

> then,....transcendence happens....and one finds oneself...as the

Self....of

> the Universe....

> which is simultaneously...smaller then the smallest and bigger

than the

> biggest!

>

> However, there's another way of describing this experienc and

that's in

> terms of 'expansion'...

>

> Sometimes, when one meditates, one's experience is one of more and

> more....and more 'expansion'.....

>

> And as of expands one feels bigger and bigger and more and

more....grand....

> more and more everything....

>

> Then,too, one gets to a point that one transcends....

>

> and again finds that same unbounded, completely still, .... source

of

> thought...

>

> 'transcendence'....self-awareness, pure.....consciousness.....

>

> It also occurs this morning that your descriptions could be

described as the

> Saturn way to get out of the smallness, the limitations of small

Self or

> Ego....

>

> Whereas my descriptions and especially the 'expansive' ones....are

more

> descriptive of the Jupiter approach...

>

> As true as it is that one can talk about 'leaving the ego', or

small

> self.... which is definitely a Saturn description....

>

> One can also talk about an expansion of the ego, a

literal.....growth of the

> ego,....to in fact...

> cosmic, unlimited...ego status....

>

> And that would be the Jupiter way of describing the same thing....

>

> My Guru, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, seems to like the Jupiter

descriptions best,

> which by the way, may be more easy sometimes for Westerners to

take.....

>

> He says: " Enlightenment is like a tree, that becomes so full of

itself,

> ...it's fruit becomes sooo abundant,...that it's limbs are found

bowing

> down....due to its great weight! "

>

> I've had similar experiences of expansion....where 'I', becoming

the big

> Self....unbounded, eternal, remembering of my own....Cosmic

nature....

>

> was a definite leaving behind of my old, small, self.......

but....

>

> it was definitely no loss of ego, but rather an experience of a

kind of

> perfection of self, of ego, that was dominated by the sense of

Unity....

>

> For, during the heighth of this one experience, ..... I realized

not only

> was I this great Self,....and being.... there's a word in Sanskrit

for

> it....that fit my experience....

> a great Brahman....

>

> but,...I knew at that same time, that everyone else was that same

great

> Self....

>

> In such a state or experience.... all the limitations of small

ego, which we

> don't like; .....like comparing our cups and feeling

different,....inferior

> or superior....

>

> were all gone...and only the delicious....state of oneness.... of

> self-worth,...cosmic knowingness

> and the realization....

>

> that all are that same Self....

>

>

>

> Jai Guru

>

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Om Tat Sat.

>

> --Sanjay Aggarwal

> jyotish_tat_sat

>

>

> , Mark Kincaid

> <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> > Dear Sanjay:

> >

> > I was so happy to see your contribution today.

> >

> > And thank you very much for the kind words.

> >

> > I, also, do want our other members to know about your

group,

> which I

> > think of

> > as a very spiritual look and perspective on Jyotish.

> >

> > For those of you who haven't checked it out, ....go to:

> >

> > jyotish_tat_sat

> >

> > to find Sanjay's site.

> >

> > I did want to say some things regarding your present discussion

> about Ego.

> >

> > See below for more:

> >

> >

> >

> > " saggarwal_4 " <saggarwal_4>

> >

> > Sun, 09 May 2004 21:40:03 -0000

> >

> > EGO -- Letting Go.

> >

> >

> > All:

> >

> > My association with Mark goes back a number of months from

Jyotish

> > Remedies. It is very nice to see a great atmosphere in this

group.

> > It is indeed a reflection of Mark;s inner consciousness which is

> > nothing but the consciousness in all of us.

> >

> > Way to go Mark!!

> >

> > I would like to make my first posting on this group on the

> > word " EGO " . EGO is the True Badhaka to Moksha.

> >

> > Here are some of my views on letting go of our Ego. They come

> > from within. Please take a minute to read it. Thanks.

> >

> > There are million and millions of us standing on the shore of the

> > ocean of Consciousness, trying to hold it in our cups. We keep

> > looking at each others cups and comparing our cups and having

> > arguments about our cups. Some of us feel proud because our cup

is

> > bigger than someone else's and some of us feel jealous because we

> > feel that someone else's cup is bigger than ours.

> >

> > What we do not REALIZE is that none of our cups contain the vast

> > ocean of GOD. If we were to throw our cups into the ocean, if we

> > were to merge our EGOS into the bliss of GOD then we would no

> longer

> > be CRYING and WAILING in our seperate EGO-SENSE. We would be one

> > with that OCEAN.

> >

> > When we give up OUR EGO, all that is left is GOD.

> >

> > Sanjay: I really love your poetic, graphic example, of us,

> standing on the

> > ocean with our little cups.... looking into the vast Cosmic

> Ocean...

> >

> > When I think of Ego, I think of the Sun, in Jyotish.

> >

> > Sun represents 'I', self, and even ego.

> >

> > I also get this image of the Circle of the Sun, ...... at the

> deepest level

> > of silence of the Ocean, deep within....

> >

> > And if you could draw a line at the bottom, in the water would

> represent the

> > 'Relative' Existence, of Universes, Galaxies, Stars, Solar

> Systems, human

> > beings... and for us, the deepest part of our 'Relative'

> Existence, is our

> > Ego's,....'I',....self-identity.

> >

> > But, if you draw the circle of the Sun and straddle it over the

> line, 1/2 on

> > the Relative part, the other part....represents the Absolute or

> > non-changeing aspect of life...

> >

> > And that's the Sun's nature; it both represents the

> individual 'I', ..and

> > the Cosmic, 'I', and then, all the way to God.... him...or

herself!

> >

> > So, when we take ourselves inward, and transcend through

> meditation, or even

> > contemplation, and at some point we get to that deep level of

> inner,

> > 'I',.....

> >

> > We started on the surface level of thoughts, and associations,

> which by the

> > way, corresponds quite nicely with the Mercury in our Charts....

> >

> > And then, as we sank deeper within, we get to our feelings, our

> emotions,

> > and intuitions, which corresponds very nicely with the Moon in

> us....

> >

> > Till, finally we get to our deepest sense of 'I', self, or the

Sun

> > inside....

> >

> > If we go beyond even that, we discover the Absolute, I, the

> absolute, Self,

> > Absolute, self-awareness, which we can call God, which also is

> symbolized by

> > the Sun, in Astrology.

> >

> > This 'I', also has an ego, and we can talk about letting go of

the

> small

> > self, or the small ego, but we can also talk about expanding the

> small self

> > to the big self or the small self to it's natural vast, and

Cosmic

> Ego.

> >

> > One of my Guru's favorite expressions is that .... " the ego does

> not need to

> > be made smaller, or extinguished, or eliminated....but in fact,

> > expanded.... "

> >

> > " And, as the Self becomes bigger and bigger and bigger, the Ego,

> also

> > becomes Cosmic, unbounded, and eternal, immortal...

> >

> > And then, for such a man, (or woman), it would be like the nature

> of a man,

> > becomes so full within, it's like a tree that becomes so full and

> heavy due

> > to all it's fruits,....

> >

> > then,....it's found bowing down, due to it's great abundance " .

> >

> > My own experience is also something like this.

> >

> > The greatest inner experiences I've had, from within, were not a

> shedding or

> > letting go, of the ego, but an expansion of my I, ....

> >

> > into it's unbelievably, vast and expanded.... Cosmic nature....

> >

> > In that state I remembered I had been an individual, but I knew I

> wasn't

> > just that....

> >

> > Cosmic, in fact, is eternal, and immortal, but on the surface is

> also

> > relative, and individual.

> >

> > Though we've had this conversation before, I think it's still a

> great one to

> > discuss.

> >

> > For those who have weak or debilitated Sun's in their charts, all

> kinds of

> > weaknesses, and challenges come to those.... because their inner

> strength is

> > minimal.

> >

> > But, for those with great big Exalted Suns, or Suns in Leo....or

> > powerful,....Sun's, in great positions, then....success and even

> > enlightenment are possible.

> >

> > There is, however, another relationship with the Sun, which is

also

> > important to understand, and that's Saturn.

> >

> > Because there are those who have big Sun's but poor Saturns, so

> their 'I's'

> > or Self-worth, moves into the arrogant or abusive category.

> >

> > In truth one needs to be 'straight', or have balance with all the

> > Planets....

> >

> > Then, one truely lives a protected, blissful, and successful

life!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Let us all throw our cups into the vast OCEAN of CONSCIOUSNESS.

> >

> >

> > And... let us all discover that great 'sameness'....which is our

> inner Self,

> > or Suns!

> > and then, live the grace of great individualities, but with the

> deep

> > awareness of our truely United Self, Cosmic nature!

> >

> > Jai Guru

> >

> >

> > Mark Kincaid

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Shanti Shanti Shanti.

> >

> > --Om Tat Sat

> > [[sanjay Aggarwal]]

> > jyotish_tat_sat

> >

> >

> >