2 July 1776: A Thanks to Cosmologer

August 8, 2005

Many thanks to "Cosmologer" for the extensively reasoned explanation for the horoscopic significance, and as well the added historical background, of the Angelino USA Chart: Lagna 15.Scorpio.31 (Philly, LMT +5:00:39), 2 July 1776.

First, just to clarify what part I played, and didn't play, in Jorge's work: Following on my own intensive review of the histories and the primary source materials, I reckoned that a birth chart rectification for 02/07/76 must needs fall in the time moment range of 16:00 upto 19:00 hours, the approximate interval of the Continental Congress's routine daily afternoon sessions. [ Morning sessions were held from 09:00 upto 14:00. The 2 hour "dinner" (lunch) break, 14:00 to 16:00, allowed the 50 delegates time enough to dine at a nearby neighborhood tavern]. Simply because of the serendipity of things, I brought all this and more to Jorge's attention shortly after I first saw a "USA Feedback" posting at AstroDatabank.com some time go, in 2004, posted by SAMVA's former moderator, Thor. The 16:48:07 time moment rectification posted at SAMVA is only in part the result of our e-mail conversations, but in the main, is very much

Jorge's own fine analytical work.

And now, just to show that I remain ready and willing to (figuratively) "put my money where my mouth is", historically: By telephone and e-mail I reviewed the rationale of my reckoning process of the relevant history (not the astrology) with tropicalist astrologer Julian Armistead, whose USA birth chart for 12:00 noon, 2 July 1776 is featured among the USA Birth Charts at AstroDatabank.com. Julian's original rectification was for 16:00 hours, but the more he studied it the less satisfied he became. He then opted for what amounts to, in my terms, a methodological shift to a "symbolic" rendering, and so elected the 12:00 noon rectification. He has since lost his enthusiasm for the figurative chase and has moved on to other concerns.

So too, I discussed "very" briefly this same mundane event with Tropicalist astrologer, Ray Merriman. Ray is primarily involved in financial astrology, as many SAMVA members already know. He has done a USA Chart for 2 July 1776, rectified for 17:46:40.

In conclusion, I urge SAMVA members to perform further investigations within the 16:00/19:00 time moment range for this mundane event of 2 July 1776, in order to either re-confirm Jorge's findings, or to improve upon them if warranted by the analysis and findings. I seriously believe that SAMVA, as well as getting at the truth of the matter, deserves nothing less.

Postscript:

PARALLAX VIEW: A Possible Proof of SAMVA Technique, the 15.Scorpio.31 Rectification

More recently I determined what may be for some nothing more than a fortuitous concurrence of circumstance: Determined by what I have termed a Parallax View, in order to confirm or deny the accuracy of the Angelino Chart. In studying the history of the formation of the U.S. constitution I came across this significance: That the probable, not yet rectified, birth chart for the U.S.A.'s Constitution signifies cosmically the fulfillment of the birth chart of the U.S.A. itself; just as in the genesis of the human person, conception precedes and is fulfilled by the nine months later birth. That the birth of the U.S.A. on 2 July 1776 led, 11 years and 2.5 months after, to the birth of the Constitution for the U.S.A. on 17 September

1787.

As one among many historic mundane event American birth charts [but which is absolutely NOT to be confused with the U.S.A.'s own birth chart] this one is for the Constitution's adoption at the moment of the final of 39 delegate signatures, completed in a signing ceremony between 15:25 and 15:40 on Monday, September 17, 1787 in Philly, LMT +5:00:39. More than amazingly enough, for 17/09/87 @ 15:28:06 (ie, inside the range), to the exact arc-minute, 17/09/87's Lagna is conjunct 02/07/76's Moon @ 16:50:30; so too, 17/09/87's Moon conjuncts arc-minute exactly 02/07/76's Lagna @ 16:50:30. To review: from the historical record one can determine within 15 minutes of estimated range the time moment (unrectified) of the birth of the Constitution. 15:28:06 is inside that 15 minutes range. Most probably the yet-to-be-rectified time moment for the 17/09/87 mundane event shall show in

accord with the foregoing analysis a Lagna of 07.Capricorn.23 (precisely by Angelino, the USA's Moon) or 07.Capricorn.24 (the USA's Moon by the Hermetic-Astrological Rule, as explained briefly below.)

This tells me something that is more than just remarkable of both these two mundane events and implications of their connexity:

(1) Astrologically, about the probable accuracy of the Angelino Chart @ 16:48:07 (which is 29 arc-minutes near to the un-rectified 16:50:30 referred to above). That if one treats the Angelino Chart as that of the Constitution's moment of conception, derived from the historical reckoning of the Constitution's birth moment, so then the Birth of the USA in 1776 is, as well, the Conception of the later 1787 "Constitution for the USA", its true title):; and

(2) Historically, about the evidence of a Masonic handprint on the determination of the major political events of that Era. In particular, the birth of the USA. Among other Masons involved in Congress at the time, certain of the Philadelphia Masons were Rosicrucians (pre-eminently, Ben Franklin, delegate to Congress on July 2nd; George Clymer, member of the Pennsylvania legislature, future delegate to Congress and Founder of the Rosicrucian Order in America; and Thomas Paine, a Franklin crony, author of "Common Sense" and rumored to be author of the long "lost" first draft of the Declaration of Independence, edited by Thomas Jefferson.)

(3) Doctrinally, among many beliefs of the Rosicrucians among the Masons was that of the Hermetic doctrine of pre-natal destiny (See Doris Doane's book on this subject), and in particular what sidereal astrologer Robert A Powell has identified as the cosmic Hermetic-Astrological Rule: wherein the Moon & Lagna's position at the moment of the person's conception becomes the Lagna & Moon's position at the moment of that person's birth. For a learned discussion of this particular Hermetic doctrine (as I have chosen to borrow it to apply to the mundane events already referred to.) please consult the books of siderealist astrologer and anthroposophist, Robert A. Powell; in particular, his "Hermetic Astrology" trilogy and his "Chronicle of the Living Christ" (wherein a sidereal zodiac is used throughout)

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August 8, 2005

My dear JohnTWB,

Thank you for your post.

Best wishes,

Jorge

SAMVA

[sAMVA ] On Behalf Of JohnTWB

segunda-feira, 8 de Agosto

de 2005 13:50

samva

2 July 1776: A Thanks

to Cosmologer

Many thanks to

" Cosmologer " for the extensively reasoned explanation for the

horoscopic significance, and as well the added historical background, of the

Angelino USA Chart: Lagna 15.Scorpio.31 (Philly, LMT +5:00:39), 2 July 1776.

First, just to clarify

what part I played, and didn't play, in Jorge's work: Following on my own

intensive review of the histories and the primary source materials, I reckoned

that a birth chart rectification for 02/07/76 must needs fall in the time

moment range of 16:00 upto 19:00 hours, the approximate interval of the

Continental Congress's routine daily afternoon sessions. [ Morning

sessions were held from 09:00 upto 14:00. The 2 hour

" dinner " (lunch) break, 14:00 to 16:00, allowed the 50

delegates time enough to dine at a nearby neighborhood

tavern]. Simply because of the serendipity of things, I brought all

this and more to Jorge's attention shortly after I first saw a

" USA Feedback " posting at AstroDatabank.com some time go, in 2004,

posted by SAMVA's former moderator, Thor. The 16:48:07 time moment

rectification posted at SAMVA is only in part the result of our e-mail

conversations, but in the main, is very much Jorge's own fine analytical work.

And now, just to show

that I remain ready and willing to (figuratively) " put my money

where my mouth is " , historically: By telephone and e-mail I reviewed the

rationale of my reckoning process of the relevant history (not the

astrology) with tropicalist astrologer Julian Armistead, whose USA birth

chart for 12:00 noon, 2 July 1776 is featured among the USA Birth Charts

at AstroDatabank.com. Julian's original rectification was for 16:00 hours, but the more he studied it the less satisfied he became. He then opted for

what amounts to, in my terms, a methodological shift to a " symbolic "

rendering, and so elected the 12:00 noon rectification. He has since lost his

enthusiasm for the figurative chase and has moved on to other concerns.

So too, I discussed

" very " briefly this same mundane event with Tropicalist

astrologer, Ray Merriman. Ray is primarily involved in financial astrology, as

many SAMVA members already know. He has done a USA Chart for 2 July 1776, rectified for 17:46:40.

In conclusion, I urge

SAMVA members to perform further investigations within the 16:00/19:00 time moment range for this mundane event of 2 July 1776, in order to either re-confirm Jorge's findings, or to improve upon them if warranted

by the analysis and findings. I seriously believe that SAMVA, as well as

getting at the truth of the matter, deserves nothing less.

Postscript:

PARALLAX VIEW: A Possible

Proof of SAMVA Technique, the 15.Scorpio.31 Rectification

More recently I

determined what may be for some nothing more than a fortuitous concurrence of

circumstance: Determined by what I have termed a Parallax View, in order to

confirm or deny the accuracy of the Angelino Chart. In studying the history of

the formation of the U.S. constitution I came across this

significance: That the probable, not yet rectified, birth chart for the U.S.A.'s

Constitution signifies cosmically the fulfillment of the birth chart of

the U.S.A. itself; just as in the genesis of the human person, conception

precedes and is fulfilled by the nine months later birth. That the birth

of the U.S.A. on 2 July 1776 led, 11 years and 2.5 months after, to the birth

of the Constitution for the U.S.A. on 17 September

1787.

As one among many

historic mundane event American birth charts [but which is absolutely

NOT to be confused with the U.S.A.'s own birth chart] this one is for the

Constitution's adoption at the moment of the final of 39 delegate

signatures, completed in a signing ceremony between 15:25 and 15:40 on

Monday, September 17, 1787 in Philly, LMT +5:00:39. More than amazingly enough,

for 17/09/87 @ 15:28:06 (ie, inside the range), to the exact

arc-minute, 17/09/87's Lagna is conjunct 02/07/76's Moon @ 16:50:30; so too, 17/09/87's Moon conjuncts arc-minute

exactly 02/07/76's Lagna @ 16:50:30. To review: from the historical

record one can determine within 15 minutes of estimated

range the time moment (unrectified) of the birth of the

Constitution. 15:28:06 is inside that 15 minutes range. Most probably the

yet-to-be-rectified time moment for the 17/09/87 mundane event shall

show in accord with the foregoing analysis a Lagna of

07.Capricorn.23 (precisely by Angelino, the USA's Moon) or 07.Capricorn.24

(the USA's Moon by the Hermetic-Astrological Rule, as explained briefly

below.)

This tells me something

that is more than just remarkable of both these two mundane events and

implications of their

connexity:

(1)

Astrologically, about the probable accuracy of the Angelino Chart @ 16:48:07 (which is 29 arc-minutes near to the un-rectified 16:50:30 referred to above).

That if one treats the Angelino Chart as that of the Constitution's moment

of conception, derived from the historical reckoning of the Constitution's

birth moment, so then the Birth of the USA in 1776 is, as well, the

Conception of the later 1787 " Constitution for the USA " , its true

title):;

and

(2) Historically, about

the evidence of a Masonic handprint on the determination of the major

political events of that Era. In particular, the birth of the USA.

Among other Masons involved in Congress at the time, certain of the

Philadelphia Masons were Rosicrucians (pre-eminently, Ben Franklin, delegate to

Congress on July 2nd; George Clymer, member of the Pennsylvania legislature, future

delegate to Congress and Founder of the Rosicrucian Order in America; and

Thomas Paine, a Franklin crony, author of " Common Sense " and rumored

to be author of the long " lost " first draft of the Declaration

of Independence, edited by Thomas Jefferson.)

(3) Doctrinally, among

many beliefs of the Rosicrucians among the Masons was that of the Hermetic

doctrine of pre-natal destiny (See Doris Doane's book on this subject), and in

particular what sidereal astrologer Robert A Powell has identified

as the cosmic Hermetic-Astrological Rule: wherein the Moon &

Lagna's position at the moment of the person's conception becomes the

Lagna & Moon's position at the moment of that person's birth. For

a learned discussion of this particular Hermetic doctrine (as I have chosen to

borrow it to apply to the mundane events already referred to.)

please consult the books of siderealist astrologer and

anthroposophist, Robert A. Powell; in particular, his " Hermetic

Astrology " trilogy and his " Chronicle of the Living Christ "

(wherein a sidereal zodiac is used throughout)

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August 8, 2005

Hello John,

It is the fortunate confluence of you and Jorge that has brought

about this discovery in terms of a specific chart for the USA. If

memory serves correctly, it was due to historical information brought

out by you that Jorge revised his earlier rectified Virgo rising

chart on this day, to the later and evidently correct Scorpio

ascendant. That said, his rectification work, not only in terms of

the sheer output but also the novel historical insights involved and

finally the workability of the charts, is nothing short of astounding.

As for your parallax view, I came across this notion in a book in the

1970s which was titled the Prenatal Epoch. There the Moon and/or

Lagna at conception was linked to the Lagna and/or Moon at birth. It

is an interesting idea as well as an empirical phenonmenon. Such

important connection points, also involving other planets, are often

found in the charts of family members.

Best regards,

C

SAMVA , JohnTWB <jtwbjakarta> wrote:

> Many thanks to " Cosmologer " for the extensively reasoned

explanation for the horoscopic significance, and as well the added

historical background, of the Angelino USA Chart: Lagna 15.Scorpio.31

(Philly, LMT +5:00:39), 2 July 1776.

>

> First, just to clarify what part I played, and didn't play, in

Jorge's work: Following on my own intensive review of the histories

and the primary source materials, I reckoned that a birth chart

rectification for 02/07/76 must needs fall in the time moment range

of 16:00 upto 19:00 hours, the approximate interval of the

Continental Congress's routine daily afternoon sessions. [ Morning

sessions were held from 09:00 upto 14:00. The 2 hour " dinner " (lunch)

break, 14:00 to 16:00, allowed the 50 delegates time enough to dine

at a nearby neighborhood tavern]. Simply because of the serendipity

of things, I brought all this and more to Jorge's attention shortly

after I first saw a " USA Feedback " posting at AstroDatabank.com some

time go, in 2004, posted by SAMVA's former moderator, Thor. The

16:48:07 time moment rectification posted at SAMVA is only in part

the result of our e-mail conversations, but in the main, is very much

Jorge's own fine analytical work.

>

> And now, just to show that I remain ready and willing to

(figuratively) " put my money where my mouth is " , historically: By

telephone and e-mail I reviewed the rationale of my reckoning process

of the relevant history (not the astrology) with tropicalist

astrologer Julian Armistead, whose USA birth chart for 12:00 noon, 2

July 1776 is featured among the USA Birth Charts at

AstroDatabank.com. Julian's original rectification was for 16:00

hours, but the more he studied it the less satisfied he became. He

then opted for what amounts to, in my terms, a methodological shift

to a " symbolic " rendering, and so elected the 12:00 noon

rectification. He has since lost his enthusiasm for the figurative

chase and has moved on to other concerns.

>

> So too, I discussed " very " briefly this same mundane event with

Tropicalist astrologer, Ray Merriman. Ray is primarily involved in

financial astrology, as many SAMVA members already know. He has done

a USA Chart for 2 July 1776, rectified for 17:46:40.

>

> In conclusion, I urge SAMVA members to perform further

investigations within the 16:00/19:00 time moment range for this

mundane event of 2 July 1776, in order to either re-confirm Jorge's

findings, or to improve upon them if warranted by the analysis and

findings. I seriously believe that SAMVA, as well as getting at the

truth of the matter, deserves nothing less.

>

> Postscript:

>

> PARALLAX VIEW: A Possible Proof of SAMVA Technique, the

15.Scorpio.31 Rectification

>

> More recently I determined what may be for some nothing more than a

fortuitous concurrence of circumstance: Determined by what I have

termed a Parallax View, in order to confirm or deny the accuracy of

the Angelino Chart. In studying the history of the formation of the

U.S. constitution I came across this significance: That the probable,

not yet rectified, birth chart for the U.S.A.'s Constitution

signifies cosmically the fulfillment of the birth chart of the U.S.A.

itself; just as in the genesis of the human person, conception

precedes and is fulfilled by the nine months later birth. That the

birth of the U.S.A. on 2 July 1776 led, 11 years and 2.5 months

after, to the birth of the Constitution for the U.S.A. on 17

September

1787.

>

> As one among many historic mundane event American birth charts [but

which is absolutely NOT to be confused with the U.S.A.'s own birth

chart] this one is for the Constitution's adoption at the moment of

the final of 39 delegate signatures, completed in a signing ceremony

between 15:25 and 15:40 on Monday, September 17, 1787 in Philly, LMT

+5:00:39. More than amazingly enough, for 17/09/87 @ 15:28:06 (ie,

inside the range), to the exact arc-minute, 17/09/87's Lagna is

conjunct 02/07/76's Moon @ 16:50:30; so too, 17/09/87's Moon

conjuncts arc-minute exactly 02/07/76's Lagna @ 16:50:30. To review:

from the historical record one can determine within 15 minutes of

estimated range the time moment (unrectified) of the birth of the

Constitution. 15:28:06 is inside that 15 minutes range. Most probably

the yet-to-be-rectified time moment for the 17/09/87 mundane event

shall show in accord with the foregoing analysis a Lagna of

07.Capricorn.23 (precisely by Angelino, the USA's Moon) or

> 07.Capricorn.24 (the USA's Moon by the Hermetic-Astrological Rule,

as explained briefly

below.)

>

> This tells me something that is more than just remarkable of both

these two mundane events and implications of their

connexity:

>

> (1) Astrologically, about the probable accuracy of the Angelino

Chart @ 16:48:07 (which is 29 arc-minutes near to the un-rectified

16:50:30 referred to above). That if one treats the Angelino Chart as

that of the Constitution's moment of conception, derived from the

historical reckoning of the Constitution's birth moment, so then the

Birth of the USA in 1776 is, as well, the Conception of the later

1787 " Constitution for the USA " , its true title):;

and

>

> (2) Historically, about the evidence of a Masonic handprint on the

determination of the major political events of that Era. In

particular, the birth of the USA. Among other Masons involved in

Congress at the time, certain of the Philadelphia Masons were

Rosicrucians (pre-eminently, Ben Franklin, delegate to Congress on

July 2nd; George Clymer, member of the Pennsylvania legislature,

future delegate to Congress and Founder of the Rosicrucian Order in

America; and Thomas Paine, a Franklin crony, author of " Common Sense "

and rumored to be author of the long " lost " first draft of the

Declaration of Independence, edited by Thomas Jefferson.)

>

> (3) Doctrinally, among many beliefs of the Rosicrucians among the

Masons was that of the Hermetic doctrine of pre-natal destiny (See

Doris Doane's book on this subject), and in particular what sidereal

astrologer Robert A Powell has identified as the cosmic Hermetic-

Astrological Rule: wherein the Moon & Lagna's position at the moment

of the person's conception becomes the Lagna & Moon's position at the

moment of that person's birth. For a learned discussion of this

particular Hermetic doctrine (as I have chosen to borrow it to apply

to the mundane events already referred to.) please consult the books

of siderealist astrologer and anthroposophist, Robert A. Powell; in

particular, his " Hermetic Astrology " trilogy and his " Chronicle of

the Living Christ " (wherein a sidereal zodiac is used throughout)

>

> To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all

new Security Centre.

August 8, 2005

Thanks C

I find this Lagna/Moon;Moon/Lagna phenomenon, this Hermetic convergence, truly extraordinary.

There's a similar convergence for the Declaration of Independence's moment of authentication in Philly, in the early morning of July 5th, 1776 and the U.S. Bill of Rights' moment of ratification in Richmond, Virginia in the late morning of December 15th, 1791. [1776: 28.Cancer.58/15.Aquarius.11. then 1791: 15.Aquarius.11/28.Cancer.58 ]

By the way, among the diehard sceptics who cannot leave the embrace of July 4th as the USA birth, it is often said that it's SIGNATURES that matter. So how July 2nd????

HOW ???? ...OK...Here's exactly, conversation stoppingly how:

A "resolve" of Congress is a resolution adopted by vote and thereby made official. A "resolve" is the parliamentary equivalent of a Signature. What's important is under what empowering authority is each Colony's unit vote taken. In the case of the Independence resolution, the delegates of each Colony were empowered by written instruction from its authorizing home province convention, to vote for separation if the outcome were to be unanimous. Each of these written instructions were, in effect, a limited power of attorney. Therefore, at the moment immediately after the votes were taken, that Charles Thomson, the Secretary, confirmed the vote count to John Hancock, the President, the "resolve" was not only "adopted" but was with legal effect in each new State.

By contrast, when the Congress "adopted" (not ratified) the Articles of Confederation on Saturday, November 15, 1777, the votes and the followup signing ceremony that day were restricted only to recommending this first constitution to each of the 13 individual states for review and ratification. The Articles were not empowered, did not have legal effect, until the final "ratification" on March 1, 1781.

Regards,

JohnTWB

cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

Hello John,It is the fortunate confluence of you and Jorge that has brought about this discovery in terms of a specific chart for the USA. If memory serves correctly, it was due to historical information brought out by you that Jorge revised his earlier rectified Virgo rising chart on this day, to the later and evidently correct Scorpio ascendant. That said, his rectification work, not only in terms of the sheer output but also the novel historical insights involved and finally the workability of the charts, is nothing short of astounding.As for your parallax view, I came across this notion in a book in the 1970s which was titled the Prenatal Epoch. There the Moon and/or Lagna at conception was linked to the Lagna and/or Moon at birth. It is an interesting idea as well as an empirical phenonmenon. Such important

connection points, also involving other planets, are often found in the charts of family members.Best regards,CSAMVA , JohnTWB <jtwbjakarta> wrote:> Many thanks to "Cosmologer" for the extensively reasoned explanation for the horoscopic significance, and as well the added historical background, of the Angelino USA Chart: Lagna 15.Scorpio.31 (Philly, LMT +5:00:39), 2 July 1776.> > First, just to clarify what part I played, and didn't play, in Jorge's work: Following on my own intensive review of the histories and the primary source materials, I reckoned that a birth chart rectification for 02/07/76 must needs fall in the time moment range of 16:00 upto 19:00 hours, the approximate interval of the Continental Congress's routine daily afternoon sessions. [ Morning sessions were held from 09:00 upto 14:00. The 2 hour "dinner" (lunch) break, 14:00 to 16:00,

allowed the 50 delegates time enough to dine at a nearby neighborhood tavern]. Simply because of the serendipity of things, I brought all this and more to Jorge's attention shortly after I first saw a "USA Feedback" posting at AstroDatabank.com some time go, in 2004, posted by SAMVA's former moderator, Thor. The 16:48:07 time moment rectification posted at SAMVA is only in part the result of our e-mail conversations, but in the main, is very much Jorge's own fine analytical work.> > And now, just to show that I remain ready and willing to (figuratively) "put my money where my mouth is", historically: By telephone and e-mail I reviewed the rationale of my reckoning process of the relevant history (not the astrology) with tropicalist astrologer Julian Armistead, whose USA birth chart for 12:00 noon, 2 July 1776 is featured among the USA Birth Charts at AstroDatabank.com. Julian's original rectification was for

16:00 hours, but the more he studied it the less satisfied he became. He then opted for what amounts to, in my terms, a methodological shift to a "symbolic" rendering, and so elected the 12:00 noon rectification. He has since lost his enthusiasm for the figurative chase and has moved on to other concerns. > > So too, I discussed "very" briefly this same mundane event with Tropicalist astrologer, Ray Merriman. Ray is primarily involved in financial astrology, as many SAMVA members already know. He has done a USA Chart for 2 July 1776, rectified for 17:46:40.> > In conclusion, I urge SAMVA members to perform further investigations within the 16:00/19:00 time moment range for this mundane event of 2 July 1776, in order to either re-confirm Jorge's findings, or to improve upon them if warranted by the analysis and findings. I seriously believe that SAMVA, as well as getting at the truth of

the matter, deserves nothing less.> > Postscript:> > PARALLAX VIEW: A Possible Proof of SAMVA Technique, the 15.Scorpio.31 Rectification> > More recently I determined what may be for some nothing more than a fortuitous concurrence of circumstance: Determined by what I have termed a Parallax View, in order to confirm or deny the accuracy of the Angelino Chart. In studying the history of the formation of the U.S. constitution I came across this significance: That the probable, not yet rectified, birth chart for the U.S.A.'s Constitution signifies cosmically the fulfillment of the birth chart of the U.S.A. itself; just as in the genesis of the human person, conception precedes and is fulfilled by the nine months later birth. That the birth of the U.S.A. on 2 July 1776 led, 11 years and 2.5 months after, to the birth of the Constitution for the U.S.A. on 17 September

1787. > > As one among many historic mundane event American birth charts [but which is absolutely NOT to be confused with the U.S.A.'s own birth chart] this one is for the Constitution's adoption at the moment of the final of 39 delegate signatures, completed in a signing ceremony between 15:25 and 15:40 on Monday, September 17, 1787 in Philly, LMT +5:00:39. More than amazingly enough, for 17/09/87 @ 15:28:06 (ie, inside the range), to the exact arc-minute, 17/09/87's Lagna is conjunct 02/07/76's Moon @ 16:50:30; so too, 17/09/87's Moon conjuncts arc-minute exactly 02/07/76's Lagna @

16:50:30. To review: from the historical record one can determine within 15 minutes of estimated range the time moment (unrectified) of the birth of the Constitution. 15:28:06 is inside that 15 minutes range. Most probably the yet-to-be-rectified time moment for the 17/09/87 mundane event shall show in accord with the foregoing analysis a Lagna of 07.Capricorn.23 (precisely by Angelino, the USA's Moon) or> 07.Capricorn.24 (the USA's Moon by the Hermetic-Astrological Rule, as explained briefly below.) > > This tells me something that is more than just remarkable of both these two mundane events and implications of their

connexity: > > (1) Astrologically, about the probable accuracy of the Angelino Chart @ 16:48:07 (which is 29 arc-minutes near to the un-rectified 16:50:30 referred to above). That if one treats the Angelino Chart as that of the Constitution's moment of conception, derived from the historical reckoning of the Constitution's birth moment, so then the Birth of the USA in 1776 is, as well, the Conception of the later 1787 "Constitution for the USA", its true title):; and > > (2) Historically, about the evidence of a Masonic handprint on the determination of the major political events of that Era. In particular, the birth of the USA. Among other Masons involved in

Congress at the time, certain of the Philadelphia Masons were Rosicrucians (pre-eminently, Ben Franklin, delegate to Congress on July 2nd; George Clymer, member of the Pennsylvania legislature, future delegate to Congress and Founder of the Rosicrucian Order in America; and Thomas Paine, a Franklin crony, author of "Common Sense" and rumored to be author of the long "lost" first draft of the Declaration of Independence, edited by Thomas Jefferson.) > > (3) Doctrinally, among many beliefs of the Rosicrucians among the Masons was that of the Hermetic doctrine of pre-natal destiny (See Doris Doane's book on this subject), and in particular what sidereal astrologer Robert A Powell has identified as the cosmic Hermetic-Astrological Rule: wherein the Moon & Lagna's position at the moment of the person's conception becomes the Lagna & Moon's

position at the moment of that person's birth. For a learned discussion of this particular Hermetic doctrine (as I have chosen to borrow it to apply to the mundane events already referred to.) please consult the books of siderealist astrologer and anthroposophist, Robert A. Powell; in particular, his "Hermetic Astrology" trilogy and his "Chronicle of the Living Christ" (wherein a sidereal zodiac is used throughout) > > > > > > > > > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Security Centre.

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