July 2nd and July 4th

[Guest guest]

Hi John and Jorge,

 

I am looking at the information infront of me from various sources,

the " Lee Resolution for independence " was adopted on July 2nd 1776,

proposed on June 7th 1776,Drafted by mostly Jefferson between June

11th and June 28th... put on the table June 28th 1776 friday.

 

Source Library of Congress of the United States of America

 

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=lljc & fileName=005/lljc005.db & recNum=\

91 & itemLink=r%3Fammem%2Fhlaw%3A%40field%28DOCID%2B%40lit%28jc0051%29%29%23005000\

1 & linkText=1

 

Read this graphic book " Journal of Continental congress " Volume 5,

 

Page 504-505, July 1st 1776... " The Congress resolved...have under

consideration...and have agreed to the resolution, which they ordered

him to report....sit again " " The resolution agreed to by commitee of

the whole being read, the determination thereof was postponed, at the

request of a colony, till to morrow " ....

[seems the resolution was agreed upon as in the concept of declaration

of independence but not the draft on the whole]

 

Page 507, for July 2nd towards the end of the day... which ended

usually at 19:00 hrs.

" Resolved, that these United Colonies are....ought to be Free and

Indepenedent States; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the

British crown....., totally dissolved "

" Agreeable to...that the committee have had under consideration the

declaration to them referred; but not having had time to go through

....leave to sit again "

[seems they adopted the draft as a commitee but not the draft on the

whole, same as above but more resolute]

 

If the whole decision was made on the 2nd July 1776, then the

Commitee should have finished it off on the 3rd of July itself. BUT

page 507-509 ,

Page 509 " Agreeable to the order of the day, the Congress...that the

committee , not having finished, desired leave to sit again. "

[Not having finished what?, agreeing to the draft on the whole, the

3rd of July was spend mostly on other resolution and order, why not

the most important one]

 

Then almost the first thing they do from the morning hours of 4th of

July to the afternoon hours was adoption on the whole of the

declaration of independence. Page 509-515 and therein sign.

 

Why did they wait till 4th of July to declare and not the 3rd...if

they had adopted on the 2nd?

Was there any differences mitigated during the 3rd July session or

post session?

 

Though the commitee adopted on the 2nd of July, there might have been

some apparent delibration in the consummate acceptance of the idealogy

and the draft.

 

Please advice.

Amit

[Guest guest]

Dear Amit,

 

The vote for independence happened in the afternoon (16:48:07 LMT or

21:48:46 GMT) of the 2nd of July, 1776. How to present it (the

declaration) and some other matters were discussed after that, on the

2nd, on the 3rd and on the 4th of July, till the declaration was made on

the 4th of July. Taking the decision was one thing. How to present it to

the world was another thing. I am sure Mr. JohnTWB will explain it much

better.

 

Best wishes,

 

Jorge

 

 

SAMVA [sAMVA ] On Behalf Of

amit_patnaik6

quarta-feira, 10 de Agosto de 2005 06:01

SAMVA

July 2nd and July 4th

 

 

Hi John and Jorge,

 

I am looking at the information infront of me from various sources,

the " Lee Resolution for independence " was adopted on July 2nd 1776,

proposed on June 7th 1776,Drafted by mostly Jefferson between June

11th and June 28th... put on the table June 28th 1776 friday.

 

Source Library of Congress of the United States of America

 

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=lljc & fileName=005/lljc005.db

& recNum=91 & itemLink=r%3Fammem%2Fhlaw%3A%40field%28DOCID%2B%40lit%28jc005

1%29%29%230050001 & linkText=1

 

Read this graphic book " Journal of Continental congress " Volume 5,

 

Page 504-505, July 1st 1776... " The Congress resolved...have under

consideration...and have agreed to the resolution, which they ordered

him to report....sit again " " The resolution agreed to by commitee of

the whole being read, the determination thereof was postponed, at the

request of a colony, till to morrow " ....

[seems the resolution was agreed upon as in the concept of declaration

of independence but not the draft on the whole]

 

Page 507, for July 2nd towards the end of the day... which ended

usually at 19:00 hrs.

" Resolved, that these United Colonies are....ought to be Free and

Indepenedent States; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the

British crown....., totally dissolved "

" Agreeable to...that the committee have had under consideration the

declaration to them referred; but not having had time to go through

....leave to sit again "

[seems they adopted the draft as a commitee but not the draft on the

whole, same as above but more resolute]

 

If the whole decision was made on the 2nd July 1776, then the

Commitee should have finished it off on the 3rd of July itself. BUT

page 507-509 ,

Page 509 " Agreeable to the order of the day, the Congress...that the

committee , not having finished, desired leave to sit again. "

[Not having finished what?, agreeing to the draft on the whole, the

3rd of July was spend mostly on other resolution and order, why not

the most important one]

 

Then almost the first thing they do from the morning hours of 4th of

July to the afternoon hours was adoption on the whole of the

declaration of independence. Page 509-515 and therein sign.

 

Why did they wait till 4th of July to declare and not the 3rd...if

they had adopted on the 2nd?

Was there any differences mitigated during the 3rd July session or

post session?

 

Though the commitee adopted on the 2nd of July, there might have been

some apparent delibration in the consummate acceptance of the idealogy

and the draft.

 

Please advice.

Amit