Thoughts on the Scorpio rising chart for USA

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Hello list,In consulting the American Peoples Encyclopdia (Grolier, 1966), the following is there:"INDEPENDENCE DAY, or Fourth of July, the day Americans celebrate their country´s birth. Independence day commemorates the adoption of the Declaration of Independence by the Continental Congress on July 4, 1776. The Fourth of July has ever since held a hallowed place in American life.Although the Fourth of July was set aside as a day of celebration, the actual "resolution of independence" was ratified by the Congress two days earlier. John Adams jubilantly wrote to his wife on July 3, after the adoption of the initial resolution: "The 2nd day of July, 1776, will be the most memorable epoch in the history of America. I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated by succeeding generations as the great anniverary festival." Independence day was celebrated on July 2 for several years, but thereafter on the 4th when the declaration, with its detailed reasons for

seperation from Great Britain, had been formally adopted and its principles announced to the world."This is consistent with Jorge Angelino´s decision to focus on this day in his initial rectification work. The time suggested by John TWB and the further rectification work by Jorge resulted in the selection of a Scorpio lagna. First, it it interesting to me how overlooked the event of this day has been, given the significance attached to it by the foundings fathers. Second, another historical fact of interest on July 2nd, 1776, when Congress declared independence, is that the British fleet and army arrived at New York on that very day. Clearly strong historical forces were at work on that day.Second, the Scorpio lagna - a warlike sign - is an interesting choice for the USA. As points out this lagna "renders their natives determined, disciplined, self-restrained, fearless, persevering, energetic, intense, dynamic, decisive,

self-centered, straightforward and tough or very sensitive, introverted, secretive, stubborn and ready to defend themselves. They generally maintain silence, rarely smile and observe things keenly. Their reaction is sudden and forceful, and they lack patience. " http://www.yournetastrologer.com/theory/t30.htmIn the chart, many interesting insights emerge:The second lord Jupiter in the chart is placed in the most effective point of the eight house. It is widely conjunct the twelfth lord Venus, suggesting problems and losses involving the wealth and status. However, as Jupiter closely aspects its own second house, this gives expansive wealth as well as status based on ideals. The Hora chart suggests good wealth with five planets in Leo.The aspect of a weak Jupiter on the fouth house, as Jorge has earlier pointed out, gives an expansive terrority and some positive and religious influence on the peace of mind of the citizenry. Jupiter´s aspect on the

twelfth house gives some wealth abroad. Its influence on the eight house gives trouble to wealth but also unearned gains and legacies through the status and wealth.Interestingly, the USA is probably the closest thing we have to a global empire since the fall of the Roman Empire in the fifth century. The national emblem of the USA, the bald Eagle, evokes the Roman emblem. Given that second lord of status in the 8th house of legacies, it could be said the US has inherited this powerful aspect of the western civilisational legacy. Nazi Germany also made a claim to this legacy but failed.The weak sixth lord Mars, ruling over the military, in the seventh house suggests frequent trips of troops abroad, but where they are highly vulnerable. Needless to say, not many countries in modern times have sent so many troops abroad and suffered consistently so many casualties as has the USA. The close affliction of the Moon´s nodes to the ninth (Rahu) and third (Ketu) houses

by placement, and by aspect to the first and fifth houses (Rahu) and seventh and elevent houses (Ketu), suggests a lot of turmoil in the life of the country - participation in World War Two, beginning with the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbour in Hawaii and ending in the US Enonal Gay bomber dropping of two nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, killing hundreds of thousands of civilians, immediately convincing the Japanese government to surrender. - participation in the Korean and Vietnamese wars, with the latter war, due to the unlimited bloodshed, resulting in massive civilian protest at home.- the Cuban Missile crisis and then the murder of John F Kennedy in the early nineteen sixtees. The former event caused the population strain and fear, while the latter caused great grief. - compared to other predominatly white countries, like France and Britain, the integration of people of other races has been fraught with difficulty.The civil rights movement, to

improve the rights of Americans of African descent has been a bloody and costly process in the nations history, leading to the murder of world famous civil rights leaders. - the settlement of America was smeared with the blood, relentless persecution and near extinction of the indigenous American Indian peoples. As the fourth lord Saturn is well placed and fairly strong in the eleventh house, the inclinations of the population are to earn an income and pursue their dreams - the American dream. Americans are by and large industrious and ambitious for material gain.The opposition aspect between the ninth lord Moon in the third house and the elevent lord Mercury in the ninth house is consistent with the high income level of the Americans. However, the wide conjunction of the twelfth lord Venus and second lord Jupiter in the eight house suggests losses and obstacles surrounding their wealth. The Great Depression in the nineteen thirties is consistent with this.

At that time, in October 1929, the nodes were stationary in the most effective point of the twelfth and sixth houses, with sixth lord Mars exactly conjunct Ketu in the twelfth house, while twelfth lord Venus was conjunct the eleventh house most effective point. The stock market suffered a huge drop and the confidence of investors was lost. Financial stability was then also lost. This is so because Mars, as sixth lord, is weak natally. It makes the financial stability vulnerable to transit affliction. When tr twelfth lord Venus at the last degree of Libra opposes transit sixth Mars at the last degree of Aries in the sixth house in late September and early October 2005, there could be difficulty in the US financial markets, especially as the stationary nodes will again be afflicting their natal placement and odd numbered houses. Wealth lord Jupiter will also be at zero degrees in Libra and twelfth house, unable to protect its significations. Meanwhile, natal tenth lord

Sun and natal fourth lord Saturn will be closely afflicted by the natal nodes. The tenth lord Sun in the eight house, suggests trouble in the public life, especially during Sun periods. The next such major- and sub-period begins in September 2011.The twelfth lord Venus is badly placed in the eight house, suggesting problems in foreign relations. The USA entered the first world war in the Rahu-Rahu period. It was drawn into the second world war in the period of Jupiter-Venus. By comparison, the Vietnam war escalated in the periods of Sun-Mars and Sun-Rahu (March 1961 to February 1965).In late 2010, in the Venus-Ketu period, the nodes will be stationary conjunct natal Venus and also afflict tr Venus in 12th house. The conditions could be difficult then.It looks like Jorge Angelino and John TWB have got this chart spot on. Accurate predictions would remain any remaining doubt.

Best regards,CPS Those interested may perform a Google search on "Independence Hall" , with the setting on "photos", to see the location where the Declaration of Independence (1776), Articles of Confederation (1778) and the US Constitution (1787) were all signed. Independence Hall was built from 1732 to 1748. It is a very impressive building on Chestnut street in Philadelphia.http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/declara/declara2.htmlChronology Of Events: June 7, 1776 to January 18, 17771776June 7 -- Congress, meeting in Philadelphia, receives Richard Henry Lee's resolution urging Congress to declare independence. June 11 -- Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Roger Sherman, and Robert R. Livingston appointed to a committee to draft a declaration of independence. American army retreats to Lake Champlain from Canada. June 12 - 27 -- Jefferson, at the request of the committee, drafts a declaration, of which only a

fragment exists. Jefferson's clean, or "fair" copy, the "original Rough draught," is reviewed by the committee. Both documents are in the manuscript collections of the Library of Congress. June 28 -- A fair copy of the committee draft of the Declaration of Independence is read in Congress. July 1 - 4 -- Congress debates and revises the Declaration of Independence. July 2 -- Congress declares independence as the British fleet and army arrive at New York. July 4 -- Congress adopts the Declaration of Independence in the morning of a bright, sunny, but cool Philadelphia day. John Dunlap prints the Declaration of Independence. These prints are now called "Dunlap Broadsides." Twenty-four copies are known to exist, two of which are in the Library of Congress. One of these was Washington's personal copy. July 5 -- John Hancock, president of the Continental Congress, dispatches the first of Dunlap's broadsides of the Declaration of Independence to the legislatures of New

Jersey and Delaware. July 6 -- Pennsylvania Evening Post of July 6 prints the first newspaper rendition of the Declaration of Independence. July 8 -- The first public reading of the Declaration is in Philadelphia. July 9 -- Washington orders that the Declaration of Independence be read before the American army in New York -- from his personal copy of the "Dunlap Broadside." July 19 -- Congress orders the Declaration of Independence engrossed (officially inscribed) and signed by members. August 2 -- Delegates begin to sign engrossed copy of the Declaration of Independence. A large British reinforcement arrives at New York after being repelled at Charleston, S.C. 1777January 18 -- Congress, now sitting in Baltimore, Maryland, orders that signed copies of the Declaration of Independence printed by Mary Katherine Goddard of Baltimore be sent to the states.

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