TWIN BROTHERS/ONE IN DISTRESS..GURUS PLS RESPOND!!

June 19, 2003

Respected Members/Gurus,

I recently came across two charts who look alike.I mean they are of

twins but there is whole lot of difference in their lives.The elder

one is retarded mentally and the younger one is brilliant .He is

brilliant in his studies.He has done Law , MBA , Engneering and is

now practicing law.

I looked through the D-charts of both the brothers but failed to site

the affliction in the elder ones chart.Which D chart shows affliction?

His parents are getting old and are in a bad shape because the

tension of their son doesnt let them in peace.The younger one is

doing fine for the family but they are worried about the elder

one...what will happen to him after their death?Whether he will

regain consciousness if ever?I am really worried for them.Could the

respected Gurus shed light whether the elder one has a chance for him

in this life in repsect of his mental balance?He was born retarded

and hasnt developed this.The parents dont wish that their son should

live long since no one is going to take care of him after their death

or atleast they are worried so.

I am just amazed inspite of exalted jupiter in the lagna with moon in

the seventh forming gaajkesari yoga how can the affliction be so

serious after moon is a karka for mind and jupiter and venus

aspecting it form good yogas with also chandra adhi yoga besides

other yogas in the chart.

I pray to all the learned Gurus to help the mother of the native who

is in distress.All the suggestions for the restoration of mental

balance of the individual would be welcome and also if he cant get

cured what is the age of the native since the mother is really

worried for her son.Can the age be different for two brothers when

the rasi chart is going to be the same?atleast the age group I think

should be similar.

Elder son-

june 24 1967

7:15 AM

Latitude: 30° 22' N

Longitude: 75° 53' E

Younger son -

june 24 1967

8:35 am

Latitude: 30° 22' N

Longitude: 75° 53' E

Regards,

Ragini

June 19, 2003

DEAR MEMBER,

Krishnamurti padhdhati is the on ly method to deal with such charts .

esp. twins.

we will definately help and try to solve the charts.

thanks for the post.

dr.rahul

l , " astro_learner " <astro_learner>

wrote:

> Respected Members/Gurus,

> I recently came across two charts who look alike.I mean they are of

> twins but there is whole lot of difference in their lives.The elder

> one is retarded mentally and the younger one is brilliant .He is

> brilliant in his studies.He has done Law , MBA , Engneering and is

> now practicing law.

> I looked through the D-charts of both the brothers but failed to

site

> the affliction in the elder ones chart.Which D chart shows

affliction?

> His parents are getting old and are in a bad shape because the

> tension of their son doesnt let them in peace.The younger one is

> doing fine for the family but they are worried about the elder

> one...what will happen to him after their death?Whether he will

> regain consciousness if ever?I am really worried for them.Could the

> respected Gurus shed light whether the elder one has a chance for

him

> in this life in repsect of his mental balance?He was born retarded

> and hasnt developed this.The parents dont wish that their son should

> live long since no one is going to take care of him after their

death

> or atleast they are worried so.

> I am just amazed inspite of exalted jupiter in the lagna with moon

in

> the seventh forming gaajkesari yoga how can the affliction be so

> serious after moon is a karka for mind and jupiter and venus

> aspecting it form good yogas with also chandra adhi yoga besides

> other yogas in the chart.

> I pray to all the learned Gurus to help the mother of the native who

> is in distress.All the suggestions for the restoration of mental

> balance of the individual would be welcome and also if he cant get

> cured what is the age of the native since the mother is really

> worried for her son.Can the age be different for two brothers when

> the rasi chart is going to be the same?atleast the age group I think

> should be similar.

> Elder son-

> june 24 1967

> 7:15 AM

> Latitude: 30° 22' N

> Longitude: 75° 53' E

> Younger son -

> june 24 1967

> 8:35 am

> Latitude: 30° 22' N

> Longitude: 75° 53' E

> Regards,

> Ragini

June 19, 2003

Hello

Ragini,

I looked

at both charts but could not find an explanation.

Krushna

gave the following rules for mentally retarded child :

Lord of

the 3th in the 4th or with 4th lord

5th

lord in the 2nd or with 2nd lord

5th

lord makes 6/8 or 2/12 relationship with lagna lord.

Often Moon

is with rahu or in Rahu nakshatra

By giving

the retarded twin an earlier TOB, I put it at 07h03 with gives with Krushna’s

ayanamsa 29°53 Gemini ascendant.

Now we see

that these laws fit :

Sun, lord

of 3 is with Mercury lord of 4

5th

lord is in the 2nd and with lord 2 in navamsa

5th

lord Venus makes 2/12 relationship with Mercury lagna lord

So, I

should think that the first twin was born with Gemini ascendant

An extra

consideration is that Moon with 7 points spoils completely Venus and Jupiter,

FK and NK of the 5th = intelligence

Best

regards

Margarita

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Message-----

as saf

[astro_learner]

Thursday, June 19, 2003

11:43 AM

To:

Subject:

TWIN BROTHERS/ONE IN DISTRESS..GURUS PLS RESPOND!!

Respected

Members/Gurus,

I recently came across two charts who look alike.I mean they are of twins but

there is whole lot of difference in their lives.The elder one is retarded

mentally and the younger one is brilliant .He is brilliant in his studies.He has

done Law , MBA , Engneering and is now practicing law.

I looked through the D-charts of both the brothers but failed to site the

affliction in the elder ones chart.Which D chart shows affliction?His parents

are getting old and are in a bad shape because the tension of their son doesnt

let them in peace.The younger one is doing fine for the family but they are

worried about the elder one...what will happen to him after their death?Whether

he will regain consciousness if ever?I am really worried for them.Could the

respected Gurus shed light whether the elder one has a chance for him in this

life in repsect of his mental balance?He was born retarded and hasnt developed

this.The parents dont wish that their son should live long since no one is

going to take care of him after their death or atleast they are worried so.

I am just amazed inspite of exalted jupiter in the lagna with moon in the

seventh forming gaajkesari yoga how can the affliction be so serious after moon

is a karka for mind and jupiter and venus aspecting it form good yogas with

also chandra adhi yoga besides other yogas in the chart.

I pray to all the learned Gurus to help the mother of the native who is in

distress.All the suggestions for the restoration of mental balance of the

individual would be welcome and also if he cant get cured what is the age of

the native since the mother is really worried for her son.Can the age be

different for two brothers when the rasi chart is going to be the same?atleast

the age group I think should be similar.

Elder son-

june 24 1967

7:15 AM

Latitude: 30° 22' N

Longitude: 75° 53' E

Younger son -

june 24 1967

8:35 am

Latitude: 30° 22' N

Longitude: 75° 53' E

Regards,

Ragini

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June 19, 2003

Dear Margarita,

I totally agree with you that time of birth could be earlier and is not recorded correctly.Could you please tell something regarding the longevity and whether this twin can be cured in anyway or is there any hope for him.anything to help him out of this situation!!

Regards

Raginidmlettens <dmlettens wrote:

Hello Ragini,

I looked at both charts but could not find an explanation.

Krushna gave the following rules for mentally retarded child :

Lord of the 3th in the 4th or with 4th lord

5th lord in the 2nd or with 2nd lord

5th lord makes 6/8 or 2/12 relationship with lagna lord.

Often Moon is with rahu or in Rahu nakshatra

By giving the retarded twin an earlier TOB, I put it at 07h03 with gives with Krushna’s ayanamsa 29°53 Gemini ascendant.

Now we see that these laws fit :

Sun, lord of 3 is with Mercury lord of 4

5th lord is in the 2nd and with lord 2 in navamsa

5th lord Venus makes 2/12 relationship with Mercury lagna lord

So, I should think that the first twin was born with Gemini ascendant

An extra consideration is that Moon with 7 points spoils completely Venus and Jupiter, FK and NK of the 5th = intelligence

Best regards

Margarita

as saf [astro_learner]Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:43 AM Subject: TWIN BROTHERS/ONE IN DISTRESS..GURUS PLS RESPOND!!

Respected Members/Gurus,I recently came across two charts who look alike.I mean they are of twins but there is whole lot of difference in their lives.The elder one is retarded mentally and the younger one is brilliant .He is brilliant in his studies.He has done Law , MBA , Engneering and is now practicing law.I looked through the D-charts of both the brothers but failed to site the affliction in the elder ones chart.Which D chart shows affliction?His parents are getting old and are in a bad shape because

the tension of their son doesnt let them in peace.The younger one is doing fine for the family but they are worried about the elder one...what will happen to him after their death?Whether he will regain consciousness if ever?I am really worried for them.Could the respected Gurus shed light whether the elder one has a chance for him in this life in repsect of his mental balance?He was born retarded and hasnt developed this.The parents dont wish that their son should live long since no one is going to take care of him after their death or atleast they are worried so.I am just amazed inspite of exalted jupiter in the lagna with moon in the seventh forming gaajkesari yoga how can the affliction be so serious after moon is a karka for mind and jupiter and venus aspecting it form good yogas with also chandra adhi yoga besides other yogas in the chart.I pray to all the learned Gurus to help the mother of the native who is in distress.All the suggestions for the restoration of

mental balance of the individual would be welcome and also if he cant get cured what is the age of the native since the mother is really worried for her son.Can the age be different for two brothers when the rasi chart is going to be the same?atleast the age group I think should be similar.Elder son-june 24 19677:15 AMLatitude: 30° 22' N Longitude: 75° 53' E Younger son -june 24 19678:35 amLatitude: 30° 22' N Longitude: 75° 53' E Regards,Ragini

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June 20, 2003

Hello Ragani,

I’m sorry, but I don’t think there can be a cure for his mental

condition. Following the “rules” of the system and considering the 4th

as B = mind we see that it contains the 6th lord Mars. Lord A is

also Mars. Saturn, lord of C and D is samdharmi to Mars (4/10 relationship in

navamsa) Lord D is Mercury, again samdharmi to Mars in navamsa. So we see that

for each house concerned there is influence of the 6th lord.

As for longevity the rules for natural death are as follows. The main

period should be connected in some way to the 3th lord (lord himself, or in

sign, nakshatra in rashi or navamsa). The sub period lord should have more then

12 points in the worksheet and not aspect house A,B or C for the 8th

as B. This leaves us with Mercury,Venus (lord D) or Sun sub. Now, accidental

death doesn’t fall under these rules.

In this system you will see that evaluation of strength of planets goes

by points. Jupiter and the Moon are particularly malefic because of their

aspect (7 points) to house and planet in that house.Mars as 6th lord

doesn’t give much benefit through his aspect because he is lord of the 6th.

You will also notice that Jupiter moves to the 6th navamsa,

that Sun and Mercury have bad aspect on the 7th and that Mercury,

Sun and Mars are vargotamma, for the better or the worst.

6th lord also aspects Saturn karak of 1st and 2nd

house, two important houses for well being. I’m just pointing these things out

to see how the system works. You could analyze all houses and see how their karaks are

influenced.

I’m afraid I can’t be of any help for the native or the parents

Best regards

Margarita

-----Original

Message-----

as saf

[astro_learner]

Friday, June 20, 2003 6:53

AM

To:

RE:

TWIN BROTHERS/ONE IN DISTRESS..GURUS PLS RESPOND!!

Dear

Margarita,

I totally agree with you that time of birth could be earlier and is not

recorded correctly.Could you please tell something regarding the longevity and

whether this twin can be cured in anyway or is there any hope for him.anything

to help him out of this situation!!

Regards

Ragini

dmlettens

<dmlettens wrote:

Hello Ragini,

I looked at both charts but

could not find an explanation.

Krushna gave the following

rules for mentally retarded child :

Lord of the 3th in the 4th

or with 4th lord

5th lord in the

2nd or with 2nd lord

5th lord makes

6/8 or 2/12 relationship with lagna lord.

Often Moon is with rahu or

in Rahu nakshatra

By giving the retarded twin

an earlier TOB, I put it at 07h03 with gives with Krushna’s ayanamsa 29°53

Gemini ascendant.

Now we see that these laws

fit :

Sun, lord of 3 is with

Mercury lord of 4

5th lord is in

the 2nd and with lord 2 in navamsa

5th lord Venus

makes 2/12 relationship with Mercury lagna lord

So, I should think that the

first twin was born with Gemini ascendant

An extra consideration is

that Moon with 7 points spoils completely Venus and Jupiter, FK and NK of the 5th

= intelligence

Best regards

Margarita

as saf

[astro_learner]

Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:43

AM

To:

Subject:

TWIN BROTHERS/ONE IN DISTRESS..GURUS PLS RESPOND!!

Respected Members/Gurus,

I recently came across two charts who look alike.I mean they are of twins but

there is whole lot of difference in their lives.The elder one is retarded

mentally and the younger one is brilliant .He is brilliant in his studies.He

has done Law , MBA , Engneering and is now practicing law.