Who is a Sadhu

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Dear Shashikanth Ji, I am very impressed by your knowledge on this subject. So I took the opportunity to get clarifications on couple of issues. 1.) In Agastya nadi predictions I was told that I need to perform Ganesh pooja on a full moon day (for 9 months) and feed two sadhus after each pooja. Iam confused on who can be considered a sadhu. Are saffron clad people around temples be considered.? Please clarify. 2.) In Agastya nadi - all my predictions regarding career were proved to be correct. However, my marriage predictions were totally wrong. What could be the reason. Please enlighten. Thank you KiranSHASHIKANT OAK <shashikantoak wrote: Dr. S. S. Chandelji, Dear Sir, Thanks for the comments you have made. The following para - inspired me to get more and more strength to forge ahead in spite of many hurdles. "I can join you in this effort being a physicist withsome knowledge of astrology who is interested to provethe scientific nature of astrology and Naadi Astrology.You may also consider organising a Naadi Conference atShimla in which I can

also help ". I have some caustic observations. Some of this group may not like it but over the period my views are getting more and more confirmed. We non Tamils have great disadvantage that we are not able to directly converse with the Naadi experts. Tamilians are some how not very enthusiast about the whole affair. Some of them are critical of it and some neglect it. Tamil scholars are mainly from Ayers and iyengars families generally look down on the Naadi Predictions as lower cast profession. Unless they come forward to undertake the research (I should not use the word 'RESEARCH', "as we all - including Maharishis-, are incompetent to 'dis-cover' divine work of PARAM SHIVA- " said by one Maharishis in their powerful readings. I, therefore, use the word "study" in place of research) the efforts of ours will fall short of

expectations. Regarding Conference in Shimla, it is a nice gesture but the next place should be logically be in Tamil Nadu. IS ANY ONE LISTENING? Wing Commander Shashikant Oak. Pune, India. 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox.

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Dear Kiranji, Come to think of it these are mere excuses, not to perform Shanti deeksha pariharas. Have you started the Ganesha Puja? Do not worry who is not sadhu and who is. If you think that the saffron clads are fake Sadhu, avoid them. To me your giving alms is more imp, than the decision on the competence of spiritual progress of a person. Regarding the Marriage predictions not coming true. On many occasions they go wrong. The reason is the person himself, yourself. You are to wait til the time comes. But If maharishi tells that you are not to get married till the age of 32 -33 you will feel dejected. May lose int in search for bride. So LAGE RAHO! Wing Commander Shashikant Oak. Pune, India.

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Dear Shasikant ji, Thank you for the reply. I did the Ganesh pooja for all nine months. But, I was not in India for 8 of those nine months. I was in Dubai and I donated money in temple for anna danam. After reading one of the mails in the group, which says the predictions may go wrong when the pariharam was not done properly I thought of re doing once again. Now am in India and thought of doing the pariharams to perfection, further I need to do other pariharams wearing deeksha, which should be done after this 9 months ganesh pooja. can you please clarify one more doubt. There is a difference in siva naadi and Agastya naadi predictions regarding my previous birth. How can this happen. Once again Thanks a lot for your efforts KiranSHASHIKANT OAK <shashikantoak wrote: Dear Kiranji, Come to think of it these are mere excuses, not to perform Shanti deeksha pariharas. Have you started the Ganesha Puja? Do not worry who is not sadhu and who is. If you think that the saffron clads are fake Sadhu, avoid them. To me your giving alms is more imp, than the decision on the competence of spiritual progress of a person. Regarding the Marriage predictions not coming true. On many

occasions they go wrong. The reason is the person himself, yourself. You are to wait til the time comes. But If maharishi tells that you are not to get married till the age of 32 -33 you will feel dejected. May lose int in search for bride. So LAGE RAHO! Wing Commander Shashikant Oak. Pune, India. Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away.

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dear mr. oak

 

This is the 1 st time i am writing to u .

i have high regard for nadi astrology and nadi maharishis .

and i appriciate ur efforts in this field . its a real meritorious work .

 

regarding the predictions coming wrong , u have suggested that the rishes give false prediction knowingly .

i feel this is one of the reason . this is definitely one of the reason . But this is not always the reason . so many times it is real mistake on their part becos astrology is a vast science with many many things to be considered before giving prediction .i know u will not like my view as u would not like to agree to any shortcoming possible on part of rishis.

 

I am saying that sometime they give false prediction intentionaly , but many times they commit mistake becos of the complicate nature of astrology.They do not consider all the hundreds of factors before giving each prediction . later on when prediction goes wrong , then they consider other factors and come up with fresh prediction .

 

as they have written about lacks of people , they also had limitation of time . so they dont consider each and every factor in giving prediction . they consider only those factors which seem most important to them . then later on they consider other factors too. and then modify the prediction.

 

the horoscope is complicated affair . it has to be considered from lagna, moon , sun , jupiter . then there r thousands of yogas . the rishis do not consider all the things each time .

although i fully agree with the view that many times they give false prediction intentionally , to help the person . for persons benefit . but here one question arises that ,they could have avoided writing the leaf for the person in such case , so that the person would not find leaf and keep doing his natural efforts on his part . I mean if rishis want a person to keep continuing his natural efforts in life , then they could have simply avoided writing his leaf instead of giving false prediction . becos the false predictions give lot of misrey and pain to reader and credit the rishis with bad karmas . readers take predictions seriously and take important life discision based on false readings . how can the rishis escape from bad karmas earned by false predictions .

 

ofcourse , the bad karma earned by them is far less then good karmas as they r genuinely helping the humanity from their heart .

 

Nitin

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I don't think the Sages fail in predicting things

because the very basic fact that the data points about

and individual's present life so far are 100% accurate

(or I would say immeasurable accuracy). During my nadi

readings, about 30 facts which occurred in my life so

far (including names etc.,) were absolutely correct

and I think this is the same experience with many

people that...100 out of 100 cases have found 100%

accuracy regarding their life so far(till the date

their Nadi is read). And regarding the events

predicted after this so called " Appointment date by

Destiny " ..they were seen correctly by sages but

predicted wrongly with an intention as illustrated by

Mr.Oak in his book or his latest email on this topic.

 

I also heard another explanation by someone 2 days

ago, that these sages had " Curse " or " Shaapam " that

they can not see future (events after the date of

destiny appointment)properly...I don't know how far

this is true.

 

After I read recent mail from Mr.Oak on the subject

" Why predictions go wrong " , there is a total change in

my mindset or thought process regarding the Nadi

Readings...

 

Guess what...The exact point had striked my mind when

I was self analyzing my Nadi Readings....some of the

predictions in my Nadi Reading looked very unrealistic

to me...I explained to myself that...

" Perhaps that was the intention of sages or God...it

was done purposefully " -- This point striked my mind

during my self analysis before I read Mr.Oak's email

and Mr.Oak's email surely confirms that point with a

strong support of his great research & experience in

this area.

 

With my little knowledge in this area, I take home or

infer these points from the excellent explanation

given by Mr.Oak in his email " Why predictions go

wrong "

 

1) Whatever we are destined or deserved, we will get

that -- Beyond that, changing the destiny

or controlling the destiny by ourselves is subject to

few things and I think it is very very very limited.

2) Nadi Shastra's motto or the objective of the great

sages is to let human beings know of the reasoning

behind the problems or the kind of life given by God

so far...uplift the souls and make them spiritually

more

aware so that they do not commit mistakes in this

life.

3) It is impossible to know the future with 100%

accuracy, after all life can't be so simple...and it

should not be....there should be a question mark

everwhere..and the curiosity of what will happen

tomorrow. Most importantly, looks like though the

sages or God did not want humans know of their exact

future..the predictions given during Nadi Reading

though they are NOT 100% correct in most cases, they

surely contain guidelines to help humans take

decisions in critical times. Also, I feel that, if a

person is really destined with good luck & good life

because of a heavy baggage of good deeds from past

life...his future predictions given in the Naadi might

be mostly accurate. Also, predictions regarding health

problems/medical advise must be correct most of the

times with most of the people. I would say..one has to

apply mind on the Nadi Readings to infer which

predictions sound realistic and which of them don't

sound realistic.

-- But I fully agree with Nitin that, false

predictions or misleading predictions can be

miserable, scary,

horrifying....because a layman might simply take those

predictions for granted just because of the fact that

100% accuracy of data points given in the Nadi

Readings regarding the life led so far...so, it's very

easy for any person to take those Nadi Readings for

granted..until they apply mind....or until they get

enlightened by the facts given by Mr.Oak or people who

have done research like this. When I applied my mind

after I got my Nadi Readings...my inution itself told

me, what predictions can go wrong and what will turn

out true. Perhaps this happens with all or most of the

people who are destined to get their Leaf....I think

God himself helps an individual to analyze the

predictions and God suggests that those Nadi Readings

can be used as guideline only..I am sure most of us

would feel this intution/divine guidance if they

seriously analyze the Nadi Readings..as they

say... " Dehameraaa Devalayam " (Our Body is a

Temple)....God resides within me...within

you....within every individual. A simple illustration

to prove that God resides within us...Consider the

" Name telling " part of Nadi Readings. The names of

individuals, their parents, spouse etc., were written

4000 years ago by these sages...it's nothing but a

fact that, God has control on the names too and that

name would be given to any individual who is new born

by somebody like(parent or granparent or aunt or

uncle)

-- In my case, can't believe that I had chosen my

daughter's name in my mind 10 years before my

marriage.

My daughter's name is " Pravallika " which I heard first

time 10 years ago and somehow my intution told me that

after marriage, I will surely have a bay girl and I

would name her " Pravallika " -- Guess what, that's name

we gave her during the naming ceremony...not only

this....I am the person who " Utterred " the names of

my 2 nieces when they were born few years ago. Until I

had the experience of my Nadi Readings..I used to

believe that.... " Just because I liked those names,

these children were given the names...and ofcourse I

used to feel proud of it that my words were considered

in selecting the name " -- But only recently, after

getting my Nadi Readings I changed my thought process

that.... " It is NOT just because I liked those

names....It is because God wanted those names for

these 3 children and he wanted me to utter the names

or in the words...I acted like God's messenger....in

other words God exists within myself....God exists

within yourself....God exists within everybody. -- We

realize this only when such miracle like " Nadi

Reading " or something of that sort happens.

 

My apologies if I was wrong in interpreting the above

things with my little knowledge in this area...but

just wanted to share this with all of you.

 

So much stuff to learn about life...

 

With many thanks,

Srini.

 

--- nitin jain <ecstacymaster wrote:

 

> >

> > dear mr. oak

> >

>

> This is the 1 st time i am

> writing to u .

> i have high regard for nadi astrology and nadi

> maharishis .

> and i appriciate ur efforts in this field . its a

> real meritorious work .

>

> regarding the predictions coming wrong , u have

> suggested that the rishes

> give false prediction knowingly .

> i feel this is one of the reason . this is

> definitely one of the reason .

> But this is not always the reason . so many times it

> is real mistake on

> their part becos astrology is a vast science with

> many many things to be

> considered before giving prediction .i know u will

> not like my view as u

> would not like to agree to any shortcoming possible

> on part of rishis.

> I am saying that sometime they give false prediction

> intentionaly , but many

> times they commit mistake becos of the complicate

> nature of

> astrology.Theydo not consider all the hundreds of

> factors before

> giving each prediction .

> later on when prediction goes wrong , then they

> consider other factors and

> come up with fresh prediction .

> as they have written about lacks of people , they

> also had limitation of

> time . so they dont consider each and every factor

> in giving prediction .

> they consider only those factors which seem most

> important to them . then

> later on they consider other factors too. and then

> modify the prediction.

> the horoscope is complicated affair . it has to be

> considered from lagna,

> moon , sun , jupiter . then there r thousands of

> yogas . the rishis do not

> consider all the things each time .

> although i fully agree with the view that many times

> they give false

> prediction intentionally , to help the person . for

> persons benefit . but

> here one question arises that ,they could have

> avoided writing the leaf for

> the person in such case , so that the person would

> not find leaf and keep

> doing his natural efforts on his part . I mean if

> rishis want a person to

> keep continuing his natural efforts in life , then

> they could have simply

> avoided writing his leaf instead of giving false

> prediction . becos the

> false predictions give lot of misrey and pain to

> reader and credit the

> rishis with bad karmas . readers take predictions

> seriously and take

> important life discision based on false readings .

> how can the rishis escape

> from bad karmas earned by false predictions .

> ofcourse , the bad karma earned by them is far less

> then good karmas as they

> r genuinely helping the humanity from their heart .

>

> Nitin

>

>

> >

> >

>

 

 

 

 

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As i have written earlier that sages had limited time to write leaves of lacks and lacks of people . So it was not possible to consider each and every minute astrological factor for all of them . So the readings may go wrong and later on rectified by saints when person visits again after failure of prediction .

 

You have raised the point that " how come the past is 100 % correct . the details of name , family members name , star etc . are 100 % correct " . Well that is becose the sages spend their time more on these to ensure that they should be correct . this was the only way to convince people that sages know everything and will tell perfect future. Take the example of normal businessmen. A businessman shows the best and perfect product as sample to his client .when client places an order then goods are not as good as original sample . This is becos businessman ahs limited time to process and produce goods for many customers that he has . he has to cater to so many orders in limited time . so he can not pay attention to minute perfection of each and every order . Same is the case here.

 

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Dear friend, You Are comparing our great Rishis to third rate Businessmen available more in this country. Our great Rishis had no need to impress people. They did everything in the interest of humanity. If we do not know the reasons for certain happenings it is our ignorance. They had no interest in hoodwinking anyone unlike our Businessmen and politicians of all sorts. Let us not degenerate the discussion. K.Venkateswarlunitin jain <ecstacymaster wrote: As i have written earlier that sages had limited time to write leaves of lacks and lacks of people . So it was not possible to consider each and every minute astrological factor for all of them . So the readings may go wrong and later on rectified by saints when person visits again after failure of prediction . You have raised the point that "how come the past is 100 % correct . the details of name , family members name , star etc . are 100 % correct " . Well that is becose the sages spend their time more on these to ensure that they should be correct . this was the only way to convince people that sages know everything and will tell perfect future. Take the example of normal businessmen. A businessman shows the best and perfect product as sample to his client .when client places an order then goods are not as good as original sample . This is becos

businessman ahs limited time to process and produce goods for many customers that he has . he has to cater to so many orders in limited time . so he can not pay attention to minute perfection of each and every order . Same is the case here.

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Dear i am by no means degrading the great sages . I have hihg regard for them and consult them too . they were great , their knowledge was extraordinary . no one can deny that .

 

I am just trying to look into the various practical possibilities .

Tell me , if they give wrong predictions so that a person should not stop his efforts then they could have actualy refrained from writing the leaf . if leaf will not be found then automatically a person will carry on his efforts as per his own understanding . why would the rishis take the bad karma of " misguideing a person " on their head . or tell him different possibilities of future happenings , instead of claiming an exact prediction . That would be much better .

And you said that rishis dont need to impress anyone . Why not? Each and every one , including Rishis want to impress others . and there is actualy nothing wrong in that. this is not degrading them .

 

Nitin

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Dear Friend, First of all we should understand that our knowledge is just nothing. This does not exclude even the greatest scientists. We should know that great rishis like Parasara could visualize the existence of the nine planets and their effect on each human being when the other people could see only Sun and Moon. Everybody knows that Rahu and Kethu have profound influence on the lives of people though they do not exist physically. Scientists could only confirm the existence of the planets after the gadgets were invented. Can we attribute any business approach to such great sages? They did everything keeping in mind the welfare of humanity. We do not have to pass judgement on such great people. It is better to do that about the present day politicians who do not bother about the welfare of people. K.Venkateswarlu nitin jain <ecstacymaster wrote: Dear i am by no means degrading the great sages . I have hihg regard for them and consult them too . they were great , their knowledge was extraordinary . no one can deny that . I am just trying to look into the various practical possibilities . Tell me , if they give wrong predictions so that a person should not stop his efforts then they could have actualy refrained from writing the leaf . if leaf will not be found then

automatically a person will carry on his efforts as per his own understanding . why would the rishis take the bad karma of " misguideing a person " on their head . or tell him different possibilities of future happenings , instead of claiming an exact prediction . That would be much better . And you said that rishis dont need to impress anyone . Why not? Each and every one , including Rishis want to impress others . and there is actualy nothing wrong in that. this is not degrading them . Nitin

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Further we are looking at the Rishis with too narrow approach and past coming 100% accurate and future not are all our view points, for the great sages everything was future and everything equal.

Secondly everything predicted is happening as it should be but most of the people interpret incorrect either what the reader says or the reading in there own way and this leads to dis-satisfaction.

 

Please do not doubt any of the great sages potential or give viewpoints with assumptions.

 

best regards

KRS

 

vwsu kota <pantulu4 Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 5:10:53 PMRe: Who is a Sadhu

 

 

Dear friend,

You Are comparing our great Rishis to third rate Businessmen available more in this country. Our great Rishis had no need to impress people. They did everything in the interest of humanity. If we do not know the reasons for certain happenings it is our ignorance. They had no interest in hoodwinking anyone unlike our Businessmen and politicians of all sorts. Let us not degenerate the discussion.

K.Venkateswarlunitin jain <ecstacymaster@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

As i have written earlier that sages had limited time to write leaves of lacks and lacks of people . So it was not possible to consider each and every minute astrological factor for all of them . So the readings may go wrong and later on rectified by saints when person visits again after failure of prediction .

You have raised the point that "how come the past is 100 % correct . the details of name , family members name , star etc . are 100 % correct " . Well that is becose the sages spend their time more on these to ensure that they should be correct . this was the only way to convince people that sages know everything and will tell perfect future. Take the example of normal businessmen. A businessman shows the best and perfect product as sample to his client .when client places an order then goods are not as good as original sample . This is becos businessman ahs limited time to process and produce goods for many customers that he has . he has to cater to so many orders in limited time . so he can not pay attention to minute perfection of each and every order . Same is the case here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Nitinji

 

Everything cannot be taken in practical terms,

It is said that the great rishi parashara was in a boat when he looked at the sky and suddenly saw that it was a very auspicious time to have a son, he immediately requested the lady who was rowing the boat to marry him becuase his calculation told him that he would have a son who would write the great vedas to keep humankind on the track of Dhrama,

Those times and thoughts were different, with the given social environment the first hurdle today is to even think how they thought. How can you look at practical possibilities with your today's mindset, it would mis-lead you to believe your incorrect assumptions and also maybe lead you to give a wrong message to people.

 

Nothing against you at all, just trying to be with your thoughts in the right direction.

 

best regards

 

KRS

vwsu kota <pantulu4 Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 9:14:50 PMRe: Who is a Sadhu

 

 

Dear Friend,

First of all we should understand that our knowledge is just nothing. This does not exclude even the greatest scientists. We should know that great rishis like Parasara could visualize the existence of the nine planets and their effect on each human being when the other people could see only Sun and Moon. Everybody knows that Rahu and Kethu have profound influence on the lives of people though they do not exist physically. Scientists could only confirm the existence of the planets after the gadgets were invented. Can we attribute any business approach to such great sages? They did everything keeping in mind the welfare of humanity. We do not have to pass judgement on such great people. It is better to do that about the present day politicians who do not bother about the welfare of people.

K.Venkateswarlu

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Dear i am by no means degrading the great sages . I have hihg regard for them and consult them too . they were great , their knowledge was extraordinary . no one can deny that .

I am just trying to look into the various practical possibilities .

Tell me , if they give wrong predictions so that a person should not stop his efforts then they could have actualy refrained from writing the leaf . if leaf will not be found then automatically a person will carry on his efforts as per his own understanding . why would the rishis take the bad karma of " misguideing a person " on their head . or tell him different possibilities of future happenings , instead of claiming an exact prediction . That would be much better .

And you said that rishis dont need to impress anyone . Why not? Each and every one , including Rishis want to impress others . and there is actualy nothing wrong in that. this is not degrading them .

 

Nitin

 

 

 

 

 

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Is what you say based on pure & simple Logic or does it have any authenticity?nitin jain <ecstacymaster wrote: As i have written earlier that sages had limited time to write leaves of lacks and lacks of people . So it was not possible to consider each and every minute astrological factor for all of them . So the readings may go wrong and later on rectified by saints when person

visits again after failure of prediction . You have raised the point that "how come the past is 100 % correct . the details of name , family members name , star etc . are 100 % correct " . Well that is becose the sages spend their time more on these to ensure that they should be correct . this was the only way to convince people that sages know everything and will tell perfect future. Take the example of normal businessmen. A businessman shows the best and perfect product as sample to his client .when client places an order then goods are not as good as original sample . This is becos businessman ahs limited time to process and produce goods for many customers that he has . he has to cater to so many orders in limited time . so he can not pay attention to minute perfection of each and every order . Same is the case here.

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