Why do the nadi astrologers ask general questions?

[Guest guest]

As I understand nadi astrology, each leaf has the life of some person

written on it. Therefore, as the nadi astrologer turns one leaf after

another, he should ask specific questions related to that leaf. For

example, if the leaf belongs to some person whose name is sanjay,

whose mother name is Parvati and who was born on 10th January 1975.

the astrologer should ask the following questions:-

1) Is your name Sanjay?

2) Is your mothers name Parvati?

3) Were you born on 10th January 1975? .... and so on.

 

There should be no need to ask questions like:-

1) Does your name start with a 'Ka'?

2) Were you born in winters?

3) Is your mothers name related to the name of a flower? ....

 

The nature of questions itself show that the astrologer is 'witch-

hunting' and guessing about you rather than reading the leaves.

[Guest guest]

very valid observations. to take it a step further, the acid test for nadi astrology will be to take along a tamil expert (or other language) and read these " old " leaves yourselves.I hope the day will come when all these nadi leaves are translated and published on the internet. If these leaves are genuine whats stopping Tambaram or other practitioners?

regardsdipikaOn Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 6:12 PM, civilambala <civilambala wrote:

 

 

 

 

As I understand nadi astrology, each leaf has the life of some person

written on it. Therefore, as the nadi astrologer turns one leaf after

another, he should ask specific questions related to that leaf. For

example, if the leaf belongs to some person whose name is sanjay,

whose mother name is Parvati and who was born on 10th January 1975.

the astrologer should ask the following questions:-

1) Is your name Sanjay?

2) Is your mothers name Parvati?

3) Were you born on 10th January 1975? .... and so on.

 

There should be no need to ask questions like:-

1) Does your name start with a 'Ka'?

2) Were you born in winters?

3) Is your mothers name related to the name of a flower? ....

 

The nature of questions itself show that the astrologer is 'witch-

hunting' and guessing about you rather than reading the leaves.

[Guest guest]

Nadi astrology is a matter of faith. You can not demand proof for faith. If you want things, you have to pay for it (not just money) This price may include your faith and patience too. However it depends upon your luck whether you have placed faith in the genuine things.

Kishore patnaik

[Guest guest]

Dear Kishore ji NamasteI know it is not worthwhile to change the minds of people above 20 years of age, who have arleady made up their minds. But the questions posed should help those newcomers decide the truth of this field of logic (aster+logos).

Definitely, the ACID test would be when the nadi leaves are translated to customer-readable language and he/shegets satisfaction for the faith, time and amount invested.regardsDipika

On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 9:29 PM, kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

 

 

 

 

Nadi astrology is a matter of faith. You can not demand proof for faith. If you want things, you have to pay for it (not just money) This price may include your faith and patience too. However it depends upon your luck whether you have placed faith in the genuine things.

Kishore patnaik

[Guest guest]

There are some naadi readers ask these types of silly questions. Most

of the genuine readers, try to tell the names. Actually spoken these

readers will try to find out the names that matches in a single leaf.

See my postings on Conjivaram Naadi centre.

 

Dhinakar

 

, " dipika blr " <blr.aspirant

wrote:

>

> Dear Kishore ji Namaste

>

> I know it is not worthwhile to change the minds of people above 20

years of

> age, who have arleady made up their minds. But the questions posed

should

> help those newcomers decide the truth of this field of logic

(aster+logos).

>

> Definitely, the ACID test would be when the nadi leaves are

translated to

> customer-readable language and he/shegets satisfaction for the

faith, time

> and amount invested.

>

> regards

> Dipika

>

>

> On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 9:29 PM, kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09

> wrote:

>

> > Nadi astrology is a matter of faith. You can not demand proof for

> > faith. If you want things, you have to pay for it (not just

money) This

> > price may include your faith and patience too.

> >

> > However it depends upon your luck whether you have placed faith

in the

> > genuine things.

> >

> >

> > Kishore patnaik

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Deepika, Namaste. Once a Civil Engineer in high position , greatly influenced by rationalists' stands, wanted to challenge Astrology. However, he did not look for a spoon feeding proof like you are asking. He struggled, learnt Astrology himself, tested on several cases and now, he is the All India Secretary for the world renowned astro society, ICAS(Indian Council of Astrological Sciences). He is Mr Sundaram.

If you want proof, you need to spend something. There is no free lunch. Either learn the subject and then try it for your self or, have faith and experiment. Your experience would tell you whether it is correct or wrong.

If you do not have time or the patience to spend either time or faith, you better don't believe it and leave the astros alone for their fate. You can not demand for ready made evidences on a silver platter for you. Things don;t work like that.

Btw, when people will become mentally dead does not depend on their age, it depends upon their attitude. Rabindra nath Tagore learnt new languages on his death bed. Hope I am clear. Kishore patnaik

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Kishore ji, NamasteThanks for providing interesting anecdotes about having faith and interesting stories about astrologers (how they found out the loopholes of astrology and became astrologers knowing very well how it can be used as a weapon of mass-deception WMD). FYI, I am an expert on the axioms of astrology...

I will just take your main statement and turn it on its head You said: " If you want proof, you need to spend something. " I say: " If you have proof, I will pay you millions of rupees and dollars "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prizes_for_evidence_of_the_paranormalthe list applies to all forms of astrology as well.

The prize money is more than Nobel prize of 1.5 million US dollars.regrdsDipikaOn Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 8:23 AM, kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Deepika, Namaste. Once a Civil Engineer in high position , greatly influenced by rationalists' stands, wanted to challenge Astrology. However, he did not look for a spoon feeding proof like you are asking. He struggled, learnt Astrology himself, tested on several cases and now, he is the All India Secretary for the world renowned astro society, ICAS(Indian Council of Astrological Sciences). He is Mr Sundaram.

If you want proof, you need to spend something. There is no free lunch. Either learn the subject and then try it for your self or, have faith and experiment. Your experience would tell you whether it is correct or wrong.

If you do not have time or the patience to spend either time or faith, you better don't believe it and leave the astros alone for their fate. You can not demand for ready made evidences on a silver platter for you. Things don;t work like that.

Btw, when people will become mentally dead does not depend on their age, it depends upon their attitude. Rabindra nath Tagore learnt new languages on his death bed. Hope I am clear. Kishore patnaik

 

[Guest guest]

Dipik/kishore,

I tried a lot in this.

I took video and pictures of leafs which were supposed to be mine in

a leading naadi center in V.Koil and asked several tamil scholars to

interpret it. THey could not. They all said it is not like any

genuine tamil writings. I approached sopme naadi readers in chennai

and they refused to even look at it saying it is not proper to read

leafs photigraphed in other centers.

 

I ve put the photographs in the files section of this groups.

I have video also, but in the last 2 years no one could interpret it.

 

So, what can I say .....?

 

, " dipika blr "

<blr.aspirant wrote:

>

> Dear Kishore ji Namaste

>

> I know it is not worthwhile to change the minds of people above 20

years of

> age, who have arleady made up their minds. But the questions posed

should

> help those newcomers decide the truth of this field of logic

(aster+logos).

>

> Definitely, the ACID test would be when the nadi leaves are

translated to

> customer-readable language and he/shegets satisfaction for the

faith, time

> and amount invested.

>

> regards

> Dipika

>

>

> On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 9:29 PM, kishore patnaik

<kishorepatnaik09

> wrote:

>

> > Nadi astrology is a matter of faith. You can not demand proof

for

> > faith. If you want things, you have to pay for it (not just

money) This

> > price may include your faith and patience too.

> >

> > However it depends upon your luck whether you have placed faith

in the

> > genuine things.

> >

> >

> > Kishore patnaik

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I went to the 'Sri Agastya Mahashiv naadi jothida nalayam' at

Panchkula last week and these are some of the questions that the nadi

reader asked:-

1) Were you born during day or night?

2) Were you born during summer months....(pause).. I mean during

April, may, june, july .... (pause).... august?

3)Were you born between 20th and 30th of any month?

4) were you born on a Sunday, Monday or Tuesday?

5) Were you born between 1st to 5th day of a month ... (pause)... 5th

or 6th day?

6) Were your born between 6 AM to 10 AM (When i told him that i was

born during day time)?

 

After asking so many questions, any good mathematician with a good

memory can guess my date of birth.

These are just some of the questions that he asked. In total he asked

about 50 questions and could not find my leaf. He asked me to perform

shiva pooja in a temple and return back some other day.

 

After one sitting only, he already knows my name, my fathers name, my

mothers name, how many brothers/sisters i have, whether my parents

live in their own house, whether i live with my parents, what my wife

does, my education and my profession without finding my leaf.

 

I don't know what else he can tell me even if he finds my leaf. I

feel that this whole nadi business is just bogus and nothing else.

[Guest guest]

Dear Ms. Dipika,

 

I think you are like my sister. She too not impressed by these occult

sciences so were I. But our thinking was changed when we personally

saw the naadi.

 

They correctly told our date of Births (not English or Hindi or

Hebrew) according to Tamil calender, and they correctly marked

Horoscope Charts without any aid of ephemeris. And they correctly

pointed out what line we were graduated and which line we were

currently in (at the time of the reading). All these we didn't give

any hint and I can easily identify if they used some tantrik or some

so called paranormal as you told.

 

One thing, it takes experience in the world to analyse which is

correct and which is wrong. Off course as in all fields, here too some

touts are there. Even Prof Dr. Sir, Stephen William Hawking was wrong

in his theory of quantum theory. And also take Einstein was also non

believer, be starting believing things when he analysed why every

thing is every thing.

 

So, it is upto you to believe or not to believe. If you see stone as

god, you'll lose sight of stone and if you see it as stone instead of

god, then you'll lose sight of God.

 

From your posting I understood, you have no worldly experience. Try to

analyse things outside and neutral with a open mind, you'll get the

reply. If you think we are bad, no problem, as I too was like you in

my early twenties and now in thirties, I have come to a conclusion, I

was wrong. Unless you think and see from outside, you won't clear your

mind of anything or come out of anything.

 

Hope your doubts cleared or at least starting to clear.

 

Dhinakar

 

, " dipika blr " <blr.aspirant

wrote:

>

> Dear Kishore ji, Namaste

>

> Thanks for providing interesting anecdotes about having faith and

> interesting stories about astrologers (how they found out the

loopholes of

> astrology and became astrologers knowing very well how it can be

used as a

> weapon of mass-deception WMD). FYI, I am an expert on the axioms of

> astrology...

>

> I will just take your main statement and turn it on its head

> You said:* " If you want proof, you need to spend something. " *

>

> I say: * " If you have proof, I will pay you millions of rupees and

dollars " *

>

>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prizes_for_evidence_of_the_paranormal

>

> the list applies to all forms of astrology as well.

>

> The prize money is more than Nobel prize of 1.5 million US dollars.

>

>

> regrds

> Dipika

>

>

> On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 8:23 AM, kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Deepika,

> >

> > Namaste.

> >

> > Once a Civil Engineer in high position , greatly influenced by

> > rationalists' stands, wanted to challenge Astrology. However, he

did not

> > look for a spoon feeding proof like you are asking. He

struggled, learnt

> > Astrology himself, tested on several cases and now, he is the All

India

> > Secretary for the world renowned astro society, ICAS(Indian Council of

> > Astrological Sciences). He is Mr Sundaram.

> >

> > If you want proof, you need to spend something. There is no free

lunch.

> >

> > Either learn the subject and then try it for your self or, have

faith and

> > experiment. Your experience would tell you whether it is correct

or wrong.

> >

> > If you do not have time or the patience to spend either time or

faith, you

> > better don't believe it and leave the astros alone for their fate.

> >

> > You can not demand for ready made evidences on a silver platter

for you.

> > Things don;t work like that.

> >

> > Btw, when people will become mentally dead does not depend on

their age, it

> > depends upon their attitude. Rabindra nath Tagore learnt new

languages on

> > his death bed.

> >

> > Hope I am clear.

> >

> > Kishore patnaik

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I too had same thoughts and tried to do it, but later I found that is

not possible and found you can't convert father into mother or mother

into father. As certain things should be in this way means it should.

If you have any further doubts mail me.

 

, " dipika blr " <blr.aspirant

wrote:

>

> very valid observations. to take it a step further, the acid test

for nadi

> astrology will be to take along a tamil expert (or other language)

and read

> these " old " leaves yourselves.

>

> I hope the day will come when all these nadi leaves are translated and

> published on the internet. If these leaves are genuine whats stopping

> Tambaram or other practitioners?

>

> regards

> dipika

>

> On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 6:12 PM, civilambala <civilambala wrote:

>

> > As I understand nadi astrology, each leaf has the life of some

person

> > written on it. Therefore, as the nadi astrologer turns one leaf after

> > another, he should ask specific questions related to that leaf. For

> > example, if the leaf belongs to some person whose name is sanjay,

> > whose mother name is Parvati and who was born on 10th January 1975.

> > the astrologer should ask the following questions:-

> > 1) Is your name Sanjay?

> > 2) Is your mothers name Parvati?

> > 3) Were you born on 10th January 1975? .... and so on.

> >

> > There should be no need to ask questions like:-

> > 1) Does your name start with a 'Ka'?

> > 2) Were you born in winters?

> > 3) Is your mothers name related to the name of a flower? ....

> >

> > The nature of questions itself show that the astrologer is 'witch-

> > hunting' and guessing about you rather than reading the leaves.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Actually speaking, many ancient leaves like naadi, sanga epics and

many more are not written in usual Tamil but in Brahmi script of sanga

era. Also, it is not easy to write in a leaf. I think Ms. Dipika,

don't know this. Writing in a palm leaf is not easy as writing in a

paper with a pen or pencil.

 

2. Can this deipika translate a shorthand script with out learning the

art for many years, can she

 

3. Like wise, the forefathers, might have devised some kind of

shorthand script and encrypted the writings.

 

5. Can this dipika question the encryption used in a credit card

payment site

 

6. Even this dipika can learn the art of naadi reading, but the

problem is she has to learn the reading. And a genuine reader spends

nearly 5 years in learning the scripts. It is like learning vedas. One

cannot learn Vedas even if he knows Sanskrit only way is dedication

and eagerness to learn and trusting.

 

I hope's Ms. Dipika's doubt is clear, if not, let her write to me.

 

Dhinakar

 

, " sanjeev2475 " <sanjeev2475

wrote:

>

> Dipik/kishore,

> I tried a lot in this.

> I took video and pictures of leafs which were supposed to be mine in

> a leading naadi center in V.Koil and asked several tamil scholars to

> interpret it. THey could not. They all said it is not like any

> genuine tamil writings. I approached sopme naadi readers in chennai

> and they refused to even look at it saying it is not proper to read

> leafs photigraphed in other centers.

>

> I ve put the photographs in the files section of this groups.

> I have video also, but in the last 2 years no one could interpret it.

>

> So, what can I say .....?

>

> , " dipika blr "

> <blr.aspirant@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kishore ji Namaste

> >

> > I know it is not worthwhile to change the minds of people above 20

> years of

> > age, who have arleady made up their minds. But the questions posed

> should

> > help those newcomers decide the truth of this field of logic

> (aster+logos).

> >

> > Definitely, the ACID test would be when the nadi leaves are

> translated to

> > customer-readable language and he/shegets satisfaction for the

> faith, time

> > and amount invested.

> >

> > regards

> > Dipika

> >

> >

> > On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 9:29 PM, kishore patnaik

> <kishorepatnaik09@>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Nadi astrology is a matter of faith. You can not demand proof

> for

> > > faith. If you want things, you have to pay for it (not just

> money) This

> > > price may include your faith and patience too.

> > >

> > > However it depends upon your luck whether you have placed faith

> in the

> > > genuine things.

> > >

> > >

> > > Kishore patnaik

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The centre is not a genuine one. As geniune centre wont ask these

questions.

 

, " civilambala " <civilambala

wrote:

>

> I went to the 'Sri Agastya Mahashiv naadi jothida nalayam' at

> Panchkula last week and these are some of the questions that the nadi

> reader asked:-

> 1) Were you born during day or night?

> 2) Were you born during summer months....(pause).. I mean during

> April, may, june, july .... (pause).... august?

> 3)Were you born between 20th and 30th of any month?

> 4) were you born on a Sunday, Monday or Tuesday?

> 5) Were you born between 1st to 5th day of a month ... (pause)... 5th

> or 6th day?

> 6) Were your born between 6 AM to 10 AM (When i told him that i was

> born during day time)?

>

> After asking so many questions, any good mathematician with a good

> memory can guess my date of birth.

> These are just some of the questions that he asked. In total he asked

> about 50 questions and could not find my leaf. He asked me to perform

> shiva pooja in a temple and return back some other day.

>

> After one sitting only, he already knows my name, my fathers name, my

> mothers name, how many brothers/sisters i have, whether my parents

> live in their own house, whether i live with my parents, what my wife

> does, my education and my profession without finding my leaf.

>

> I don't know what else he can tell me even if he finds my leaf. I

> feel that this whole nadi business is just bogus and nothing else.

>

[Guest guest]

Hare ramakrishna

dear kishore ji

 

This elements acting as if atheists are xian evengelists and asking proof of every thing in the name of astro .And they think we hav no other work and its their right to harass ,other wise even in a hotel without paying for their services how i can blame it ???

 

what they are doing ,i can show page by page of proof of false claims of abrahm kovoor that he said he learned astrology and he was rejecting it on the basis of his knowledge ,even i got influenced by it in formativ yrs but when i was learning and experimenting astro ,i came to know that how difficult it will b to master ,Then how come kovoor learned it in max fastest time ,so it was a false claim and then i read his arguement s which r not even nursery kid level of astro .Some learns useless western astro and come to chlleneg indian astrology .

 

xian ( pls forgiv me the xians in grp ) after 200 yrs of propoganda and billions of dollars spend they failed ,why dont they enquire why they failed ??in india ,but they find the reason ,the reason is life sciences in india ,how many knows vedas ?? not even 1 % ,so they know the reason ,first propaganda was astrology shud b free and almost all ppl in north india already fall in that beautiful trap and they know that no future astrologers will b come out frm north india frm any families as there is no income unless u r ready to cheat or terrorise the clients .Now they r using same those astrologers predictions who dont hav any basics and frm the exprnce ofpublic to debunk astrology ,But they will claim indian names ,hindu names ,and even will say i was 35 yrs in astro and i know all axioms of astro .

 

why cant they form a grp in ,why they want ppl frm astro grps who them self is half baked in astro and not digested theoreys well ,Many comes to astro when some event in life strike them and they look for reasons and finaly comes to net astrology and astrologers ,and then u can see because of SW every one will talk big abt all astrology .No need of learning any thing ,just feed data and conclude results depending on ur questions .So net is easy target .

 

why cant they follow big astrologers paying their fees even during their time ,there was KP krishnamoorthy , PS iyyer or subbha rao like gaints ( even they r astrologers frm english knowing community where as the villages were full of best astrologer those days ) ,or during the sri santanam time why dont they chase him .where as many of them performed even replicable performance abt the validity of astro theory s and most of their predictions well documented .Even BVB ( bharathiya vidhya bhavan ) conducted a seminar and PS iyyer frm kerala performed his predictiv skills on 35 persons who just selected frm the crowd and all predictions were 6 months to 2yrs range and non of it was wrong because they were asking actual problem in their life and students done a followup till the last prediction to fail or pass .then they find he was 100% accurate as he was well trained in astro ,again the kerala atheist never run after him and even the major xian coomunity in state .

..

Now they know where to fish .how to create trouble ?? As all move are well reserched and well financed .

This lady or man came to us for judging the karnataka elections ,if he or she knows the basics of astrology ,she shud hav supplied relevent charts also as that is the prime requirement in astro ,when demanded she run for cover and later come and say astrologers r cheats .Why dont they say abt efficacy of media predictions or weather burea spending crores and crores of rs and they dont find its waist of mass deception .

 

dear grp think if u hav brain ,even we consider astrologers are cheats but think is they r ranking amng the richest even in a small village atleast ,as she was using weapons of mass decieptions ,so the aim of them is sure and understandable ,even they know how many yrs it will take astrologers will take to learn astrology in original classic way and lack of gurus in many fields the branches r going down very fast and some areas even we hav a book we dont know how to interpret as launage may change frm time to time and so meaning may be diffrnt .Some technics has lost its worth as the time has changed .The mundane astrology ( astrology used by royals, palace astrologers used it predict fuure of their country ) is totaly discarded this days of democracy as no rajas were their and no one wants except next 5 yrs his own seat and max how to fool ppl .

Now think the nuclear treaty the discussion abt it is going on for last 2 yrs and no one knows realy what is it or waht the clauses in treaty ,even any body in media or journalism or so called sting journalist or athiest who work for welfare of ppl r less intested and dont know it as its agenda of western world .So think who is financing for them ?? were as i used to get so many mails to proov and challenging me and astrology very very long mails on it with so many names so they hav all the time and resources in world for it then why not for more useful things wat society wants ????????

yes ,we all know atomic power is one alterantiv but what is the consequenses what is the clauses ,wheter we r sacrificing our soverignity ??no one seems to bother .

 

this happen when agriculture was negleted on advise of western frnds and western educated indians , which contributes 20% of one trillion dollar economy of india yrly and we strted promoting only IT which is yet to contribute even a fraction of share of it .we discared all other areas .Hence no one want to become doctors ,even military was complaining they r not getting officer grade ppl ,also IAS and other administrativ services no takers .Again no one interested even when lakhs of farmers suicided .Is it because farmers were cheats or doctors was not learned ??or again they will say its a profession of cheats ???

its very easy to challenge ,i can also do it with other ppl in other life sciences .

coconut oil was one such viictim and no ayurvedic ppl cant meet the standard fixd by the western medical labs .

as they know to use in chemical way ,they dont know how it interacts in human body .

even they once targeted ayurvedic oils by saying how oil will penetrate in body and cure a fracture ,what they r reluctant to see the result .in Last 5000 yrs of known history and wars all indian s were using to cure wounds ,cuts etc .if it has no life saving properties how india or china become most populace nations .why not other nations of 3rd world ?? where mortlality rate was so high .

Why dont they say how the biggest stone structure in top of madirs which r 15 or 20story building height and how we plce it .( now they may say its work of aliens ),is it not a proof of indians science ?? or why dont they see ancinet red indian inca settlement in US has indian elephants carving and where is india and where is america .How indian s were able to influence them ???

Learn history and open ur eyes and see it .

One of the conditions in astro is not to accept challenges and giv predictions only to those who seeks genuinely ,we shud not use this knowledge to proove any thing .interestd ppl can read abt various predictions given in adavnce by this poor astrologer ( who has WMD ) very well in advance and with all logics explaind ,even one of the latest was OBAMA winning the Nomination ........as its in some other grp i am not mentioning the grp name intersted ppl can conct me for reference and dates with proofs

dear moderaters pls ban this membr i know who is it and wat is his aim

 

regrds sunil nair

 

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

 

, "dipika blr" <blr.aspirant wrote:>> Dear Kishore ji, Namaste> > Thanks for providing interesting anecdotes about having faith and> interesting stories about astrologers (how they found out the loopholes of> astrology and became astrologers knowing very well how it can be used as a> weapon of mass-deception WMD). FYI, I am an expert on the axioms of> astrology...> > I will just take your main statement and turn it on its head> You said:* "If you want proof, you need to spend something. "*> > I say: *"If you have proof, I will pay you millions of rupees and dollars"*> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prizes_for_evidence_of_the_paranormal> > the list applies to all forms of astrology as well.> > The prize money is more than Nobel prize of 1.5 million US dollars.> > > regrds> Dipika> > > On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 8:23 AM, kishore patnaik kishorepatnaik09 wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Deepika,> >> > Namaste.> >> > Once a Civil Engineer in high position , greatly influenced by> > rationalists' stands, wanted to challenge Astrology. However, he did not> > look for a spoon feeding proof like you are asking. He struggled, learnt> > Astrology himself, tested on several cases and now, he is the All India> > Secretary for the world renowned astro society, ICAS(Indian Council of> > Astrological Sciences). He is Mr Sundaram.> >> > If you want proof, you need to spend something. There is no free lunch.> >> > Either learn the subject and then try it for your self or, have faith and> > experiment. Your experience would tell you whether it is correct or wrong.> >> > If you do not have time or the patience to spend either time or faith, you> > better don't believe it and leave the astros alone for their fate.> >> > You can not demand for ready made evidences on a silver platter for you.> > Things don;t work like that.> >> > Btw, when people will become mentally dead does not depend on their age, it> > depends upon their attitude. Rabindra nath Tagore learnt new languages on> > his death bed.> >> > Hope I am clear.> >> > Kishore patnaik> >> >> >> >> > > >>

[Guest guest]

Very Very True. Even my thought is same. They should tell few details

in leaf and ask us whether it belongs to us. instead they ask us

questions from which they form the answers of Parents name and other

details. Then they predict other stuff using astology.

 

Actually i asked the same to naadi reader in tambaram centre. He

didn't answer and continued his reading as if i was interupting his

work. I did not question him further because it was my mistake to

visit the centre.

 

I wanted to test this nadi further and i visited one more centre.

There also he asked various questions and finally after taking all

details from me, he told he has found my leaf and started writing.

Few lines written for me from astrology chart

 

1) Lord of seventh house is placed in sixth house along with Rahu.

This is not good for you. will do pooja to correct this.

 

Why should he write something based on astrology chart ?

 

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, " civilambala "

<civilambala wrote:

>

> As I understand nadi astrology, each leaf has the life of some

person

> written on it. Therefore, as the nadi astrologer turns one leaf

after

> another, he should ask specific questions related to that leaf. For

> example, if the leaf belongs to some person whose name is sanjay,

> whose mother name is Parvati and who was born on 10th January 1975.

> the astrologer should ask the following questions:-

> 1) Is your name Sanjay?

> 2) Is your mothers name Parvati?

> 3) Were you born on 10th January 1975? .... and so on.

>

> There should be no need to ask questions like:-

> 1) Does your name start with a 'Ka'?

> 2) Were you born in winters?

> 3) Is your mothers name related to the name of a flower? ....

>

> The nature of questions itself show that the astrologer is 'witch-

> hunting' and guessing about you rather than reading the leaves.

>

[Guest guest]

then, can someone tell in which centre they don't ask these question.

I don't think so. I have personally visited 3 centres. 2 for me and

one for my friend. Everywhere they seemed to ask these kind of

questions only. Even the so called famous tambaram centre asked

queries like this only. My first hand experience.

 

Even i believe it is pacca bogus and these people wanted to earn

money by asking people to do pariharams.

 

, " rdhinakar4477 "

<dhinakarrajaram wrote:

>

> The centre is not a genuine one. As geniune centre wont ask these

> questions.

>

> , " civilambala " <civilambala@>

> wrote:

> >

> > I went to the 'Sri Agastya Mahashiv naadi jothida nalayam' at

> > Panchkula last week and these are some of the questions that the

nadi

> > reader asked:-

> > 1) Were you born during day or night?

> > 2) Were you born during summer months....(pause).. I mean during

> > April, may, june, july .... (pause).... august?

> > 3)Were you born between 20th and 30th of any month?

> > 4) were you born on a Sunday, Monday or Tuesday?

> > 5) Were you born between 1st to 5th day of a month ... (pause)...

5th

> > or 6th day?

> > 6) Were your born between 6 AM to 10 AM (When i told him that i

was

> > born during day time)?

> >

> > After asking so many questions, any good mathematician with a

good

> > memory can guess my date of birth.

> > These are just some of the questions that he asked. In total he

asked

> > about 50 questions and could not find my leaf. He asked me to

perform

> > shiva pooja in a temple and return back some other day.

> >

> > After one sitting only, he already knows my name, my fathers

name, my

> > mothers name, how many brothers/sisters i have, whether my

parents

> > live in their own house, whether i live with my parents, what my

wife

> > does, my education and my profession without finding my leaf.

> >

> > I don't know what else he can tell me even if he finds my leaf. I

> > feel that this whole nadi business is just bogus and nothing else.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

they won't read leafs from other centre.. ha ha.. how will they do..

it's like building coffin for the own self.. i guess these naadi

readers have their own ethics to cheat people.

 

, " sanjeev2475 "

<sanjeev2475 wrote:

>

> Dipik/kishore,

> I tried a lot in this.

> I took video and pictures of leafs which were supposed to be mine

in

> a leading naadi center in V.Koil and asked several tamil scholars

to

> interpret it. THey could not. They all said it is not like any

> genuine tamil writings. I approached sopme naadi readers in chennai

> and they refused to even look at it saying it is not proper to read

> leafs photigraphed in other centers.

>

> I ve put the photographs in the files section of this groups.

> I have video also, but in the last 2 years no one could interpret

it.

>

> So, what can I say .....?

>

> , " dipika blr "

> <blr.aspirant@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kishore ji Namaste

> >

> > I know it is not worthwhile to change the minds of people above

20

> years of

> > age, who have arleady made up their minds. But the questions

posed

> should

> > help those newcomers decide the truth of this field of logic

> (aster+logos).

> >

> > Definitely, the ACID test would be when the nadi leaves are

> translated to

> > customer-readable language and he/shegets satisfaction for the

> faith, time

> > and amount invested.

> >

> > regards

> > Dipika

> >

> >

> > On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 9:29 PM, kishore patnaik

> <kishorepatnaik09@>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Nadi astrology is a matter of faith. You can not demand

proof

> for

> > > faith. If you want things, you have to pay for it (not just

> money) This

> > > price may include your faith and patience too.

> > >

> > > However it depends upon your luck whether you have placed

faith

> in the

> > > genuine things.

> > >

> > >

> > > Kishore patnaik

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

dear friends,

i m new to ur forum.and this is my first post.

Here is my personal expirience.

when i went there they ask me differant questins abt my name and by initieals only.

later they clearify that in NAADI --- On Mon, 7/7/08, netpostingid <netpostingid wrote:

netpostingid <netpostingid Re: Why do the nadi astrologers ask general questions? Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 8:25 AM

 

 

they won't read leafs from other centre.. ha ha.. how will they do.. it's like building coffin for the own self.. i guess these naadi readers have their own ethics to cheat people., "sanjeev2475" <sanjeev2475@ ...> wrote:>> Dipik/kishore,> I tried a lot in this.> I took video and pictures of leafs which were supposed to be mine in > a leading naadi center in V.Koil and asked several tamil scholars to > interpret it. THey could not. They all said it is not like any > genuine tamil writings. I approached sopme naadi readers in chennai > and they refused to even look at it saying it is not proper to read > leafs photigraphed in other centers.> > I ve put the photographs in the files section of this groups.> I have video

also, but in the last 2 years no one could interpret it.> > So, what can I say .....?> > , "dipika blr" > <blr.aspirant@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Kishore ji Namaste> > > > I know it is not worthwhile to change the minds of people above 20 > years of> > age, who have arleady made up their minds. But the questions posed > should> > help those newcomers decide the truth of this field of logic > (aster+logos) .> > > > Definitely, the ACID test would be when the nadi leaves are > translated to> > customer-readable language and he/shegets satisfaction for the > faith, time> > and amount invested.> > > > regards> > Dipika>

> > > > > On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 9:29 PM, kishore patnaik > <kishorepatnaik09@ >> > wrote:> > > > > Nadi astrology is a matter of faith. You can not demand proof > for> > > faith. If you want things, you have to pay for it (not just > money) This> > > price may include your faith and patience too.> > >> > > However it depends upon your luck whether you have placed faith > in the> > > genuine things.> > >> > >> > > Kishore patnaik> > > > > >> >>

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dear friends,

i m new to ur forum.and this is my first post.

Here is my personal expirience.

when i went there they ask me differant questins abt my name and by initieals only.

later they clearify that in NAADI MY NAME IS "SAGHWARI KAMAL"

So they have to choose name related to lotus and my name is PANKAJ means lotus.

so i think there is a basic idientification is there in NAADI.but reader havre to find it with reality.

pls send ur opinion abt it.thanks --- On Mon, 7/7/08, netpostingid <netpostingid wrote:

netpostingid <netpostingid Re: Why do the nadi astrologers ask general questions? Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 8:25 AM

 

 

they won't read leafs from other centre.. ha ha.. how will they do.. it's like building coffin for the own self.. i guess these naadi readers have their own ethics to cheat people., "sanjeev2475" <sanjeev2475@ ...> wrote:>> Dipik/kishore,> I tried a lot in this.> I took video and pictures of leafs which were supposed to be mine in > a leading naadi center in V.Koil and asked several tamil scholars to > interpret it. THey could not. They all said it is not like any > genuine tamil writings. I approached sopme naadi readers in chennai > and they refused to even look at it saying it is not proper to read > leafs photigraphed in other centers.> > I ve put the photographs in the files section of this groups.> I have video

also, but in the last 2 years no one could interpret it.> > So, what can I say .....?> > , "dipika blr" > <blr.aspirant@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Kishore ji Namaste> > > > I know it is not worthwhile to change the minds of people above 20 > years of> > age, who have arleady made up their minds. But the questions posed > should> > help those newcomers decide the truth of this field of logic > (aster+logos) .> > > > Definitely, the ACID test would be when the nadi leaves are > translated to> > customer-readable language and he/shegets satisfaction for the > faith, time> > and amount invested.> > > > regards> > Dipika>

> > > > > On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 9:29 PM, kishore patnaik > <kishorepatnaik09@ >> > wrote:> > > > > Nadi astrology is a matter of faith. You can not demand proof > for> > > faith. If you want things, you have to pay for it (not just > money) This> > > price may include your faith and patience too.> > >> > > However it depends upon your luck whether you have placed faith > in the> > > genuine things.> > >> > >> > > Kishore patnaik> > > > > >> >>

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Thanks for that link on the prize.

I m quite knowledgable in astrology, maybe I ll try and take a shot

with one of the astrological rules, like ( mars+saturn in 7th house)

and see.

Since you say you know astrology , do you know if anyone has tried

proving specific rules in astrology.

 

For ex: horoscopes having mars+saturn in 7th house without any

benefic influence lead to intercaste marriage or deny marriage.

 

, " dipika blr "

<blr.aspirant wrote:

>

> Dear Kishore ji, Namaste

>

> Thanks for providing interesting anecdotes about having faith and

> interesting stories about astrologers (how they found out the

loopholes of

> astrology and became astrologers knowing very well how it can be

used as a

> weapon of mass-deception WMD). FYI, I am an expert on the axioms of

> astrology...

>

> I will just take your main statement and turn it on its head

> You said:* " If you want proof, you need to spend something. " *

>

> I say: * " If you have proof, I will pay you millions of rupees and

dollars " *

>

>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prizes_for_evidence_of_the_parano

rmal

>

> the list applies to all forms of astrology as well.

>

> The prize money is more than Nobel prize of 1.5 million US dollars.

>

>

> regrds

> Dipika

>

>

> On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 8:23 AM, kishore patnaik

<kishorepatnaik09

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Deepika,

> >

> > Namaste.

> >

> > Once a Civil Engineer in high position , greatly influenced by

> > rationalists' stands, wanted to challenge Astrology. However, he

did not

> > look for a spoon feeding proof like you are asking. He

struggled, learnt

> > Astrology himself, tested on several cases and now, he is the All

India

> > Secretary for the world renowned astro society, ICAS(Indian

Council of

> > Astrological Sciences). He is Mr Sundaram.

> >

> > If you want proof, you need to spend something. There is no free

lunch.

> >

> > Either learn the subject and then try it for your self or, have

faith and

> > experiment. Your experience would tell you whether it is correct

or wrong.

> >

> > If you do not have time or the patience to spend either time or

faith, you

> > better don't believe it and leave the astros alone for their fate.

> >

> > You can not demand for ready made evidences on a silver platter

for you.

> > Things don;t work like that.

> >

> > Btw, when people will become mentally dead does not depend on

their age, it

> > depends upon their attitude. Rabindra nath Tagore learnt new

languages on

> > his death bed.

> >

> > Hope I am clear.

> >

> > Kishore patnaik

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>