Guest guest Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 guys all this are bakwas,nadikarma etc etc,tell me one thing why all foreign guys are living well even though they are doing bad thing as per our religion .more over follow this policysatyug --satkarmatreta-50 percent satkarma remaining kukarmakalyug 100 percent kukarma if you wanna survive--- On Tue, 5/5/09, nitin jain <ecstacymaster wrote:nitin jain <ecstacymasterRe: Re: My expirience and a few Geniric Questions on Thiru Balasubramaniiam Centre Date: Tuesday, 5 May, 2009, 11:12 AM DEAR MEMBERS LET US DISCUSS ONE POINT. WHEN PRCDICTION GO WRONG , THEN DONT THE MAHARISHI MAKES BAD KARMA FOR GIVING FALSE HOPES AND MISLEADING THE DEVOTEES , WHO TAKE IMPORTANT DESCISION OF LIFE AS PER THEIR PREDICTION . WILL THE MAHARISHI NOT HAVE TO SUFFER DUE TO THIS BAD KARMA . BECOS LAW OF KARMA IS SAME FOR EVERYBODY INCLUDING MAHARISHIS . BUT HERE WE CAN SAY ONE THING THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO REMOVE BAD KARMA . THAT IS WHY THEY KEEPM ON DOING BAD KARMA AND THEN REMOVE THEM BY POOJA NAD POWERS . NITIN ___,_._,__ Own a website.Get an unlimited package.Pay next to nothing.* Click here!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 thats why only india is regarded as karma bhoomi just talking out of frustration of not having oppurtunity to do bad karma will not make sure that bad karma never effects you. why dont you behave and think like foriegner then lets see what kinds karma you'll face karmic regards http:/www.illuminate.in/discus In , rajat as <asrajat wrote: > > guys all this are bakwas,nadikarma etc etc, > tell me one thing why all foreign guys are living well even though they are doing bad thing as per our religion .more over follow this policy > satyug --satkarma > treta-50 percent satkarma remaining kukarma > kalyug 100 percent kukarma if you wanna survive > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, nitin jain <ecstacymaster wrote: > > nitin jain <ecstacymaster > Re: Re: My expirience and a few Geniric Questions on Thiru Balasubramaniiam Centre > > Tuesday, 5 May, 2009, 11:12 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEAR MEMBERS > > LET US DISCUSS ONE POINT. > WHEN PRCDICTION GO WRONG , THEN DONT THE MAHARISHI MAKES BAD KARMA FOR GIVING FALSE HOPES AND MISLEADING THE DEVOTEES , WHO TAKE IMPORTANT DESCISION OF LIFE AS PER THEIR PREDICTION . > WILL THE MAHARISHI NOT HAVE TO SUFFER DUE TO THIS BAD KARMA . BECOS LAW OF KARMA IS SAME FOR EVERYBODY INCLUDING MAHARISHIS . > BUT HERE WE CAN SAY ONE THING THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO REMOVE BAD KARMA . > THAT IS WHY THEY KEEPM ON DOING BAD KARMA AND THEN REMOVE THEM BY POOJA NAD POWERS . > > NITIN > > > ___,_._,__ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://beta.cricket. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Mr. Rajat, I think you don't know the realities in western countries. There are baggers and people living in tenements (slums in our lingo). In US there are people who just live with a few dollars a day (don't convert to our currency) think in their economy not in Indian context. For us Rs 100 a big amount like wise for them 10$ itself a huge amount. And, today because of their karmas (what you meant in you post) they are suffering now. Before you post kindly check the realilty and analyse what you going to post and then post please. , rajat as <asrajat wrote: > > guys all this are bakwas,nadikarma etc etc, > tell me one thing why all foreign guys are living well even though they are doing bad thing as per our religion .more over follow this policy > satyug --satkarma > treta-50 percent satkarma remaining kukarma > kalyug 100 percent kukarma if you wanna survive > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, nitin jain <ecstacymaster wrote: > > nitin jain <ecstacymaster > Re: Re: My expirience and a few Geniric Questions on Thiru Balasubramaniiam Centre > > Tuesday, 5 May, 2009, 11:12 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEAR MEMBERS > > LET US DISCUSS ONE POINT. > WHEN PRCDICTION GO WRONG , THEN DONT THE MAHARISHI MAKES BAD KARMA FOR GIVING FALSE HOPES AND MISLEADING THE DEVOTEES , WHO TAKE IMPORTANT DESCISION OF LIFE AS PER THEIR PREDICTION . > WILL THE MAHARISHI NOT HAVE TO SUFFER DUE TO THIS BAD KARMA . BECOS LAW OF KARMA IS SAME FOR EVERYBODY INCLUDING MAHARISHIS . > BUT HERE WE CAN SAY ONE THING THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO REMOVE BAD KARMA . > THAT IS WHY THEY KEEPM ON DOING BAD KARMA AND THEN REMOVE THEM BY POOJA NAD POWERS . > > NITIN > > > > > > > > > > ___,_._,__ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://beta.cricket. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Mr dhinkarrajaramThanks for your reply.My mail does not mean to hurt anyone.just to argue.I know the realities well for both USA and Europe Because I have been there but I am doubtful about you.And those few people who earn less than 10 dollars ,you know who are they.They are same indians or asians who take harmonium and sing on roads there.Anyhow All these karma concept is just useless ,to make people fool.There is no choice in india.people or system will force you to bad karma.I give one example if a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice.regards--- On Mon, 11/5/09, rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram wrote:rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram Re: nadi and karma Date: Monday, 11 May, 2009, 11:39 PM Mr. Rajat, I think you don't know the realities in western countries. There are baggers and people living in tenements (slums in our lingo). In US there are people who just live with a few dollars a day (don't convert to our currency) think in their economy not in Indian context. For us Rs 100 a big amount like wise for them 10$ itself a huge amount. And, today because of their karmas (what you meant in you post) they are suffering now. Before you post kindly check the realilty and analyse what you going to post and then post please. , rajat as <asrajat > wrote: > > guys all this are bakwas,nadikarma etc etc, > tell me one thing why all foreign guys are living well even though they are doing bad thing as per our religion .more over follow this policy > satyug --satkarma > treta-50 percent satkarma remaining kukarma > kalyug 100 percent kukarma if you wanna survive > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...> wrote: > > nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...> > Re: Re: My expirience and a few Geniric Questions on Thiru Balasubramaniiam Centre > > Tuesday, 5 May, 2009, 11:12 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEAR MEMBERS > > LET US DISCUSS ONE POINT. > WHEN PRCDICTION GO WRONG , THEN DONT THE MAHARISHI MAKES BAD KARMA FOR GIVING FALSE HOPES AND MISLEADING THE DEVOTEES , WHO TAKE IMPORTANT DESCISION OF LIFE AS PER THEIR PREDICTION . > WILL THE MAHARISHI NOT HAVE TO SUFFER DUE TO THIS BAD KARMA . BECOS LAW OF KARMA IS SAME FOR EVERYBODY INCLUDING MAHARISHIS . > BUT HERE WE CAN SAY ONE THING THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO REMOVE BAD KARMA . > THAT IS WHY THEY KEEPM ON DOING BAD KARMA AND THEN REMOVE THEM BY POOJA NAD POWERS . > > NITIN > > > > > > > > > > ___,_._,__ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://beta. cricket.. com > Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition * Click here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 hello mr rajat, To karma just doesn't mean .... providing materialistic comforts to family members and then doing everything that one can to dominate or hurt someone in the family. Karma also means hving a good feeling and a desire to do all the right things possible. Suppose for example ... consider a man who earns millions and provides all the luxury... but ends up having many secret affairs without his wife's knowledge and cheating her from behind is a bad karma as well. I dont understand why do you count material comforts as happiness. Money can buy lot of things... i know ... but in many cases it has limitation's as well. I dont know how many people are happy in U.S and U.K.......... I guess it is your assumption . As far as i know .... majority of them get divorcee every now and then..., break ups in family. Many of them even dont know who their father is.... teenage pregnancy.... abortion... drugs.. many love affairs and failures... depression, mentally disturbed... what not. If you count the amount of money spent on medication... you would know how pain they have. Just having good infrastruction and better quality is not all that is important to life.... there are things beyond as well. Normally we associate happiness to money ..... so when we look at people with enough money ...we think that ..... they are happy. regards raj--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rajat as <asrajat wrote: rajat as <asrajatRe: Re: nadi and karma Date: Tuesday, 12 May, 2009, 10:24 AM Mr dhinkarrajaramThanks for your reply.My mail does not mean to hurt anyone.just to argue.I know the realities well for both USA and Europe Because I have been there but I am doubtful about you.And those few people who earn less than 10 dollars ,you know who are they.They are same indians or asians who take harmonium and sing on roads there.Anyhow All these karma concept is just useless ,to make people fool.There is no choice in india.people or system will force you to bad karma.I give one example if a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice.regards--- On Mon, 11/5/09, rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> wrote: rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> Re: nadi and karmaMonday, 11 May, 2009, 11:39 PM Mr. Rajat,I think you don't know the realities in western countries. There are baggers and people living in tenements (slums in our lingo). In US there are people who just live with a few dollars a day (don't convert to our currency) think in their economy not in Indian context. For us Rs 100 a big amount like wise for them 10$ itself a huge amount. And, today because of their karmas (what you meant in you post) they are suffering now. Before you post kindly check the realilty and analyse what you going to post and then post please., rajat as <asrajat > wrote:>> guys all this are bakwas,nadikarma etc etc,> tell me one thing why all foreign guys are living well even though they are doing bad thing as per our religion .more over follow this policy> satyug --satkarma> treta-50 percent satkarma remaining kukarma> kalyug 100 percent kukarma if you wanna survive> > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...> wrote:> > nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...>> Re: Re: My expirience and a few Geniric Questions on Thiru Balasubramaniiam Centre> > Tuesday, 5 May, 2009, 11:12 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEAR MEMBERS > > LET US DISCUSS ONE POINT. > WHEN PRCDICTION GO WRONG , THEN DONT THE MAHARISHI MAKES BAD KARMA FOR GIVING FALSE HOPES AND MISLEADING THE DEVOTEES , WHO TAKE IMPORTANT DESCISION OF LIFE AS PER THEIR PREDICTION .> WILL THE MAHARISHI NOT HAVE TO SUFFER DUE TO THIS BAD KARMA . BECOS LAW OF KARMA IS SAME FOR EVERYBODY INCLUDING MAHARISHIS . > BUT HERE WE CAN SAY ONE THING THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO REMOVE BAD KARMA .> THAT IS WHY THEY KEEPM ON DOING BAD KARMA AND THEN REMOVE THEM BY POOJA NAD POWERS .> > NITIN> > > > > > > > > > ___,_._,__> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://beta. cricket.. com> Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition * Click here! Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Mr. Rajat, I place a strong objection about these lines " I am doubtful about you " what you know about me that made made you to doubt me. I too know the real realities in western countries. Outside appearance is well in those countries but reality is they are not good. Every one has to disperse their sins whether a person believes in almighty or rituals. Even if one is a atheist, he has to face his karma. , rajat as <asrajat wrote: > > Mr dhinkarrajaram > Thanks for your reply.My mail does not mean to hurt anyone.just to argue. > I know the realities well for both USA and Europe Because I have been there but I am doubtful about you. > And those few people who earn less than 10 dollars ,you know who are they.They are same indians or asians who take harmonium and sing on roads there. > > Anyhow All these karma concept is just useless ,to make people fool. > There is no choice in india.people or system will force you to bad karma. > I give one example if a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice. > regards > > > --- On Mon, 11/5/09, rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram wrote: > > rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram > Re: nadi and karma > > Monday, 11 May, 2009, 11:39 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Rajat, > > > > I think you don't know the realities in western countries. There are baggers and people living in tenements (slums in our lingo). In US there are people who just live with a few dollars a day (don't convert to our currency) think in their economy not in Indian context. For us Rs 100 a big amount like wise for them 10$ itself a huge amount. > > > > And, today because of their karmas (what you meant in you post) they are suffering now. > > > > Before you post kindly check the realilty and analyse what you going to post and then post please. > > > > , rajat as <asrajat@ > wrote: > > > > > > guys all this are bakwas,nadikarma etc etc, > > > tell me one thing why all foreign guys are living well even though they are doing bad thing as per our religion .more over follow this policy > > > satyug --satkarma > > > treta-50 percent satkarma remaining kukarma > > > kalyug 100 percent kukarma if you wanna survive > > > > > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...> > > > Re: Re: My expirience and a few Geniric Questions on Thiru Balasubramaniiam Centre > > > > > > Tuesday, 5 May, 2009, 11:12 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEAR MEMBERS > > > > > > LET US DISCUSS ONE POINT. > > > WHEN PRCDICTION GO WRONG , THEN DONT THE MAHARISHI MAKES BAD KARMA FOR GIVING FALSE HOPES AND MISLEADING THE DEVOTEES , WHO TAKE IMPORTANT DESCISION OF LIFE AS PER THEIR PREDICTION . > > > WILL THE MAHARISHI NOT HAVE TO SUFFER DUE TO THIS BAD KARMA . BECOS LAW OF KARMA IS SAME FOR EVERYBODY INCLUDING MAHARISHIS . > > > BUT HERE WE CAN SAY ONE THING THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO REMOVE BAD KARMA . > > > THAT IS WHY THEY KEEPM ON DOING BAD KARMA AND THEN REMOVE THEM BY POOJA NAD POWERS . > > > > > > NITIN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___,_._,__ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://beta. cricket.. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition http://downloads./in/firefox/?fr=om_email_firefox > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Hi rahul,Thanks for your mail.As i told earlier I am simply arguing without trying to hurt anyone.Lets leave the materialistic comfort even though you agree that they are better on this part.Now about other problems you have mentioned there,they exist in India also on the wider scale.Also I would like to get answer for this question.if a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice.?your karma is not in your hand as you can see from this example.Regardsrajat--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rahul rai <volcano_hit wrote:rahul rai <volcano_hitRe: Re: nadi and karma Date: Tuesday, 12 May, 2009, 12:42 PM hello mr rajat, To karma just doesn't mean .... providing materialistic comforts to family members and then doing everything that one can to dominate or hurt someone in the family. Karma also means hving a good feeling and a desire to do all the right things possible. Suppose for example ... consider a man who earns millions and provides all the luxury... but ends up having many secret affairs without his wife's knowledge and cheating her from behind is a bad karma as well. I dont understand why do you count material comforts as happiness. Money can buy lot of things... i know ... but in many cases it has limitation's as well. I dont know how many people are happy in U.S and U.K......... . I guess it is your assumption . As far as i know .... majority of them get divorcee every now and then..., break ups in family. Many of them even dont know who their father is.... teenage pregnancy... . abortion... drugs.. many love affairs and failures... depression, mentally disturbed... what not. If you count the amount of money spent on medication.. . you would know how pain they have. Just having good infrastruction and better quality is not all that is important to life.... there are things beyond as well. Normally we associate happiness to money ..... so when we look at people with enough money ...we think that ..... they are happy. regards raj--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: nadi and karmaTuesday, 12 May, 2009, 10:24 AM Mr dhinkarrajaramThanks for your reply.My mail does not mean to hurt anyone.just to argue.I know the realities well for both USA and Europe Because I have been there but I am doubtful about you.And those few people who earn less than 10 dollars ,you know who are they.They are same indians or asians who take harmonium and sing on roads there.Anyhow All these karma concept is just useless ,to make people fool.There is no choice in india.people or system will force you to bad karma.I give one example if a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice.regards--- On Mon, 11/5/09, rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> wrote: rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> Re: nadi and karmaMonday, 11 May, 2009, 11:39 PM Mr. Rajat,I think you don't know the realities in western countries. There are baggers and people living in tenements (slums in our lingo). In US there are people who just live with a few dollars a day (don't convert to our currency) think in their economy not in Indian context. For us Rs 100 a big amount like wise for them 10$ itself a huge amount. And, today because of their karmas (what you meant in you post) they are suffering now. Before you post kindly check the realilty and analyse what you going to post and then post please., rajat as <asrajat > wrote:>> guys all this are bakwas,nadikarma etc etc,> tell me one thing why all foreign guys are living well even though they are doing bad thing as per our religion .more over follow this policy> satyug --satkarma> treta-50 percent satkarma remaining kukarma> kalyug 100 percent kukarma if you wanna survive> > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...> wrote:> > nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...>> Re: Re: My expirience and a few Geniric Questions on Thiru Balasubramaniiam Centre> > Tuesday, 5 May, 2009, 11:12 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEAR MEMBERS > > LET US DISCUSS ONE POINT. > WHEN PRCDICTION GO WRONG , THEN DONT THE MAHARISHI MAKES BAD KARMA FOR GIVING FALSE HOPES AND MISLEADING THE DEVOTEES , WHO TAKE IMPORTANT DESCISION OF LIFE AS PER THEIR PREDICTION .> WILL THE MAHARISHI NOT HAVE TO SUFFER DUE TO THIS BAD KARMA . BECOS LAW OF KARMA IS SAME FOR EVERYBODY INCLUDING MAHARISHIS . > BUT HERE WE CAN SAY ONE THING THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO REMOVE BAD KARMA .> THAT IS WHY THEY KEEPM ON DOING BAD KARMA AND THEN REMOVE THEM BY POOJA NAD POWERS .> > NITIN> > > > > > > > > > ___,_._,__> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://beta. cricket.. com> Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition * Click here! Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! Own a website.Get an unlimited package.Pay next to nothing.* Click here!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Dear friend , I was addressing you with that context only. When i said he can do his best with whatever he has with him and can give whatever possible to him. When talking about karma ... we have to take lot of things into consideration. It is a collective karma. A person who is born to a poor man will be destined to be in a poor family ....... if he is destined to have comforts from his parents he will get it., if he is destined to make everything on his own... his soul will lead to that... and if his karma means that his birth will bring fortunes to his parents... he father will have luck on his side.. But all this will depend on the karma of other members of the family ... not just the bread earner. I hope you got ... what i am trying to tell regards raj--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rajat as <asrajat wrote: rajat as <asrajatRe: Re: nadi and karma Date: Tuesday, 12 May, 2009, 3:31 PM Hi rahul,Thanks for your mail.As i told earlier I am simply arguing without trying to hurt anyone.Lets leave the materialistic comfort even though you agree that they are better on this part.Now about other problems you have mentioned there,they exist in India also on the wider scale.Also I would like to get answer for this question.if a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice.?your karma is not in your hand as you can see from this example.Regardsrajat--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in> wrote: rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in>Re: Re: nadi and karmaTuesday, 12 May, 2009, 12:42 PM hello mr rajat, To karma just doesn't mean .... providing materialistic comforts to family members and then doing everything that one can to dominate or hurt someone in the family. Karma also means hving a good feeling and a desire to do all the right things possible. Suppose for example ... consider a man who earns millions and provides all the luxury... but ends up having many secret affairs without his wife's knowledge and cheating her from behind is a bad karma as well. I dont understand why do you count material comforts as happiness. Money can buy lot of things... i know ... but in many cases it has limitation's as well. I dont know how many people are happy in U.S and U.K......... . I guess it is your assumption . As far as i know .... majority of them get divorcee every now and then..., break ups in family. Many of them even dont know who their father is.... teenage pregnancy... . abortion... drugs.. many love affairs and failures... depression, mentally disturbed... what not. If you count the amount of money spent on medication.. . you would know how pain they have. Just having good infrastruction and better quality is not all that is important to life.... there are things beyond as well. Normally we associate happiness to money ..... so when we look at people with enough money ...we think that ..... they are happy. regards raj--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: nadi and karmaTuesday, 12 May, 2009, 10:24 AM Mr dhinkarrajaramThanks for your reply.My mail does not mean to hurt anyone.just to argue.I know the realities well for both USA and Europe Because I have been there but I am doubtful about you.And those few people who earn less than 10 dollars ,you know who are they.They are same indians or asians who take harmonium and sing on roads there.Anyhow All these karma concept is just useless ,to make people fool.There is no choice in india.people or system will force you to bad karma.I give one example if a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice.regards--- On Mon, 11/5/09, rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> wrote: rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> Re: nadi and karmaMonday, 11 May, 2009, 11:39 PM Mr. Rajat,I think you don't know the realities in western countries. There are baggers and people living in tenements (slums in our lingo). In US there are people who just live with a few dollars a day (don't convert to our currency) think in their economy not in Indian context. For us Rs 100 a big amount like wise for them 10$ itself a huge amount. And, today because of their karmas (what you meant in you post) they are suffering now. Before you post kindly check the realilty and analyse what you going to post and then post please., rajat as <asrajat > wrote:>> guys all this are bakwas,nadikarma etc etc,> tell me one thing why all foreign guys are living well even though they are doing bad thing as per our religion .more over follow this policy> satyug --satkarma> treta-50 percent satkarma remaining kukarma> kalyug 100 percent kukarma if you wanna survive> > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...> wrote:> > nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...>> Re: Re: My expirience and a few Geniric Questions on Thiru Balasubramaniiam Centre> > Tuesday, 5 May, 2009, 11:12 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEAR MEMBERS > > LET US DISCUSS ONE POINT. > WHEN PRCDICTION GO WRONG , THEN DONT THE MAHARISHI MAKES BAD KARMA FOR GIVING FALSE HOPES AND MISLEADING THE DEVOTEES , WHO TAKE IMPORTANT DESCISION OF LIFE AS PER THEIR PREDICTION .> WILL THE MAHARISHI NOT HAVE TO SUFFER DUE TO THIS BAD KARMA . BECOS LAW OF KARMA IS SAME FOR EVERYBODY INCLUDING MAHARISHIS . > BUT HERE WE CAN SAY ONE THING THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO REMOVE BAD KARMA .> THAT IS WHY THEY KEEPM ON DOING BAD KARMA AND THEN REMOVE THEM BY POOJA NAD POWERS .> > NITIN> > > > > > > > > > ___,_._,__> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://beta. cricket.. com> Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition * Click here! Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! Own a website.Get an unlimited package.Pay next to nothing.* Click here!. Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition * Click here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Hi dhinkarI have no intention to hurt you but pls check your first ,you only used this this "dont know""I think you don't know the realities in " in your mailAnyhow sorry if ithurt you.regards--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram wrote:rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram Re: nadi and karma Date: Tuesday, 12 May, 2009, 3:05 PM Mr. Rajat, I place a strong objection about these lines " I am doubtful about you" what you know about me that made made you to doubt me. I too know the real realities in western countries. Outside appearance is well in those countries but reality is they are not good. Every one has to disperse their sins whether a person believes in almighty or rituals. Even if one is a atheist, he has to face his karma. , rajat as <asrajat > wrote: > > Mr dhinkarrajaram > Thanks for your reply.My mail does not mean to hurt anyone.just to argue. > I know the realities well for both USA and Europe Because I have been there but I am doubtful about you. > And those few people who earn less than 10 dollars ,you know who are they.They are same indians or asians who take harmonium and sing on roads there. > > Anyhow All these karma concept is just useless ,to make people fool. > There is no choice in india.people or system will force you to bad karma. > I give one example if a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice. > regards > > > --- On Mon, 11/5/09, rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ ...> wrote: > > rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ ...> > Re: nadi and karma > > Monday, 11 May, 2009, 11:39 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Rajat, > > > > I think you don't know the realities in western countries. There are baggers and people living in tenements (slums in our lingo). In US there are people who just live with a few dollars a day (don't convert to our currency) think in their economy not in Indian context. For us Rs 100 a big amount like wise for them 10$ itself a huge amount. > > > > And, today because of their karmas (what you meant in you post) they are suffering now. > > > > Before you post kindly check the realilty and analyse what you going to post and then post please. > > > > , rajat as <asrajat@ > wrote: > > > > > > guys all this are bakwas,nadikarma etc etc, > > > tell me one thing why all foreign guys are living well even though they are doing bad thing as per our religion .more over follow this policy > > > satyug --satkarma > > > treta-50 percent satkarma remaining kukarma > > > kalyug 100 percent kukarma if you wanna survive > > > > > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...> > > > Re: Re: My expirience and a few Geniric Questions on Thiru Balasubramaniiam Centre > > > > > > Tuesday, 5 May, 2009, 11:12 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEAR MEMBERS > > > > > > LET US DISCUSS ONE POINT. > > > WHEN PRCDICTION GO WRONG , THEN DONT THE MAHARISHI MAKES BAD KARMA FOR GIVING FALSE HOPES AND MISLEADING THE DEVOTEES , WHO TAKE IMPORTANT DESCISION OF LIFE AS PER THEIR PREDICTION . > > > WILL THE MAHARISHI NOT HAVE TO SUFFER DUE TO THIS BAD KARMA . BECOS LAW OF KARMA IS SAME FOR EVERYBODY INCLUDING MAHARISHIS . > > > BUT HERE WE CAN SAY ONE THING THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO REMOVE BAD KARMA . > > > THAT IS WHY THEY KEEPM ON DOING BAD KARMA AND THEN REMOVE THEM BY POOJA NAD POWERS . > > > > > > NITIN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___,_._,__ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://beta. cricket.. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition http://downloads. / in/firefox/ ?fr=om_email_ firefox > Own a website.Get an unlimited package.Pay next to nothing.* Click here!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 hi rahulthanks for my reply but my question remains sameif a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice to improve karma?--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rahul rai <volcano_hit wrote:rahul rai <volcano_hitRe: Re: nadi and karma Date: Tuesday, 12 May, 2009, 10:32 PM Dear friend , I was addressing you with that context only. When i said he can do his best with whatever he has with him and can give whatever possible to him. When talking about karma ... we have to take lot of things into consideration. It is a collective karma. A person who is born to a poor man will be destined to be in a poor family ....... if he is destined to have comforts from his parents he will get it., if he is destined to make everything on his own... his soul will lead to that... and if his karma means that his birth will bring fortunes to his parents... he father will have luck on his side.. But all this will depend on the karma of other members of the family ... not just the bread earner. I hope you got ... what i am trying to tell regards raj--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: nadi and karmaTuesday, 12 May, 2009, 3:31 PM Hi rahul,Thanks for your mail.As i told earlier I am simply arguing without trying to hurt anyone.Lets leave the materialistic comfort even though you agree that they are better on this part.Now about other problems you have mentioned there,they exist in India also on the wider scale.Also I would like to get answer for this question.if a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice.?your karma is not in your hand as you can see from this example.Regardsrajat--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in> wrote: rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in>Re: Re: nadi and karmaTuesday, 12 May, 2009, 12:42 PM hello mr rajat, To karma just doesn't mean .... providing materialistic comforts to family members and then doing everything that one can to dominate or hurt someone in the family. Karma also means hving a good feeling and a desire to do all the right things possible. Suppose for example ... consider a man who earns millions and provides all the luxury... but ends up having many secret affairs without his wife's knowledge and cheating her from behind is a bad karma as well. I dont understand why do you count material comforts as happiness. Money can buy lot of things... i know ... but in many cases it has limitation's as well. I dont know how many people are happy in U.S and U.K......... . I guess it is your assumption . As far as i know .... majority of them get divorcee every now and then..., break ups in family. Many of them even dont know who their father is.... teenage pregnancy... . abortion... drugs.. many love affairs and failures... depression, mentally disturbed... what not. If you count the amount of money spent on medication.. . you would know how pain they have. Just having good infrastruction and better quality is not all that is important to life.... there are things beyond as well. Normally we associate happiness to money ..... so when we look at people with enough money ...we think that ..... they are happy. regards raj--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: nadi and karmaTuesday, 12 May, 2009, 10:24 AM Mr dhinkarrajaramThanks for your reply.My mail does not mean to hurt anyone.just to argue.I know the realities well for both USA and Europe Because I have been there but I am doubtful about you.And those few people who earn less than 10 dollars ,you know who are they.They are same indians or asians who take harmonium and sing on roads there.Anyhow All these karma concept is just useless ,to make people fool.There is no choice in india.people or system will force you to bad karma.I give one example if a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice.regards--- On Mon, 11/5/09, rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> wrote: rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> Re: nadi and karmaMonday, 11 May, 2009, 11:39 PM Mr. Rajat,I think you don't know the realities in western countries. There are baggers and people living in tenements (slums in our lingo). In US there are people who just live with a few dollars a day (don't convert to our currency) think in their economy not in Indian context. For us Rs 100 a big amount like wise for them 10$ itself a huge amount. And, today because of their karmas (what you meant in you post) they are suffering now. Before you post kindly check the realilty and analyse what you going to post and then post please., rajat as <asrajat > wrote:>> guys all this are bakwas,nadikarma etc etc,> tell me one thing why all foreign guys are living well even though they are doing bad thing as per our religion .more over follow this policy> satyug --satkarma> treta-50 percent satkarma remaining kukarma> kalyug 100 percent kukarma if you wanna survive> > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...> wrote:> > nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...>> Re: Re: My expirience and a few Geniric Questions on Thiru Balasubramaniiam Centre> > Tuesday, 5 May, 2009, 11:12 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEAR MEMBERS > > LET US DISCUSS ONE POINT. > WHEN PRCDICTION GO WRONG , THEN DONT THE MAHARISHI MAKES BAD KARMA FOR GIVING FALSE HOPES AND MISLEADING THE DEVOTEES , WHO TAKE IMPORTANT DESCISION OF LIFE AS PER THEIR PREDICTION .> WILL THE MAHARISHI NOT HAVE TO SUFFER DUE TO THIS BAD KARMA . BECOS LAW OF KARMA IS SAME FOR EVERYBODY INCLUDING MAHARISHIS . > BUT HERE WE CAN SAY ONE THING THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO REMOVE BAD KARMA .> THAT IS WHY THEY KEEPM ON DOING BAD KARMA AND THEN REMOVE THEM BY POOJA NAD POWERS .> > NITIN> > > > > > > > > > ___,_._,__> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://beta. cricket.. com> Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition * Click here! Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! Own a website.Get an unlimited package.Pay next to nothing.* Click here!. Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition * Click here! Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with India Travel Click here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Hi Rajat, I seriously beg to differ on yourview point wrt karma. My question here is what do you mean by doing good.? I think the intention to do Good coulld probably count towards good Karma. I think being poor if you struugle hard to give a good life to your family, provide them with all the happiness that is within your reach yo do get good karma Just giving you a quote from the Bhagwad Gita:- sreyan sva-dharmo vigunah para-dharmat sv-anushthitat sva-dharme nidhanam sreyah para-dharmo bhayavahah Meaning It is better to discharge one's prescribed duties, faultily, than another's another persons duties perfectly. Another Shloka from the Bhagwad Gita:- satkara-mana-pujarthamtapo dambhena caiva yatkriyate tad iha proktamrajasam calam adhruvam Meaning: Penance performed out of pride and for the sake of gaining respect, honor and worship is said to be in the mode of passion. It is neither stable nor permanent. Hence So in your case even if the poor man is discharging his duties towwards his family, he will certainly get Good karma and if a rich man does donations/gives alms simpally for the sake of gaining respect he will not get any good Karma Regards Prasanth PS: This is just my humble opinion. I am no great guru in Karma. --- On Wed, 5/13/09, rajat as <asrajat wrote: rajat as <asrajatRe: Re: nadi and karma Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 10:38 AM hi rahulthanks for my reply but my question remains sameif a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice to improve karma?--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in> wrote: rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in>Re: Re: nadi and karmaTuesday, 12 May, 2009, 10:32 PM Dear friend , I was addressing you with that context only. When i said he can do his best with whatever he has with him and can give whatever possible to him. When talking about karma ... we have to take lot of things into consideration. It is a collective karma. A person who is born to a poor man will be destined to be in a poor family ....... if he is destined to have comforts from his parents he will get it., if he is destined to make everything on his own... his soul will lead to that... and if his karma means that his birth will bring fortunes to his parents... he father will have luck on his side.. But all this will depend on the karma of other members of the family ... not just the bread earner. I hope you got ... what i am trying to tell regards raj--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: nadi and karmaTuesday, 12 May, 2009, 3:31 PM Hi rahul,Thanks for your mail.As i told earlier I am simply arguing without trying to hurt anyone.Lets leave the materialistic comfort even though you agree that they are better on this part.Now about other problems you have mentioned there,they exist in India also on the wider scale.Also I would like to get answer for this question.if a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice.?your karma is not in your hand as you can see from this example.Regardsrajat--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in> wrote: rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in>Re: Re: nadi and karmaTuesday, 12 May, 2009, 12:42 PM hello mr rajat, To karma just doesn't mean .... providing materialistic comforts to family members and then doing everything that one can to dominate or hurt someone in the family. Karma also means hving a good feeling and a desire to do all the right things possible. Suppose for example ... consider a man who earns millions and provides all the luxury... but ends up having many secret affairs without his wife's knowledge and cheating her from behind is a bad karma as well. I dont understand why do you count material comforts as happiness. Money can buy lot of things... i know ... but in many cases it has limitation's as well. I dont know how many people are happy in U.S and U.K......... . I guess it is your assumption . As far as i know .... majority of them get divorcee every now and then..., break ups in family. Many of them even dont know who their father is.... teenage pregnancy... . abortion... drugs.. many love affairs and failures... depression, mentally disturbed... what not. If you count the amount of money spent on medication.. . you would know how pain they have. Just having good infrastruction and better quality is not all that is important to life.... there are things beyond as well. Normally we associate happiness to money ..... so when we look at people with enough money ...we think that ..... they are happy. regards raj--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: nadi and karmaTuesday, 12 May, 2009, 10:24 AM Mr dhinkarrajaramThanks for your reply.My mail does not mean to hurt anyone.just to argue.I know the realities well for both USA and Europe Because I have been there but I am doubtful about you.And those few people who earn less than 10 dollars ,you know who are they.They are same indians or asians who take harmonium and sing on roads there.Anyhow All these karma concept is just useless ,to make people fool.There is no choice in india.people or system will force you to bad karma.I give one example if a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice.regards--- On Mon, 11/5/09, rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> wrote: rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> Re: nadi and karmaMonday, 11 May, 2009, 11:39 PM Mr. Rajat,I think you don't know the realities in western countries. There are baggers and people living in tenements (slums in our lingo). In US there are people who just live with a few dollars a day (don't convert to our currency) think in their economy not in Indian context. For us Rs 100 a big amount like wise for them 10$ itself a huge amount. And, today because of their karmas (what you meant in you post) they are suffering now. Before you post kindly check the realilty and analyse what you going to post and then post please., rajat as <asrajat > wrote:>> guys all this are bakwas,nadikarma etc etc,> tell me one thing why all foreign guys are living well even though they are doing bad thing as per our religion .more over follow this policy> satyug --satkarma> treta-50 percent satkarma remaining kukarma> kalyug 100 percent kukarma if you wanna survive> > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...> wrote:> > nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...>> Re: Re: My expirience and a few Geniric Questions on Thiru Balasubramaniiam Centre> > Tuesday, 5 May, 2009, 11:12 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEAR MEMBERS > > LET US DISCUSS ONE POINT. > WHEN PRCDICTION GO WRONG , THEN DONT THE MAHARISHI MAKES BAD KARMA FOR GIVING FALSE HOPES AND MISLEADING THE DEVOTEES , WHO TAKE IMPORTANT DESCISION OF LIFE AS PER THEIR PREDICTION .> WILL THE MAHARISHI NOT HAVE TO SUFFER DUE TO THIS BAD KARMA . BECOS LAW OF KARMA IS SAME FOR EVERYBODY INCLUDING MAHARISHIS . > BUT HERE WE CAN SAY ONE THING THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO REMOVE BAD KARMA .> THAT IS WHY THEY KEEPM ON DOING BAD KARMA AND THEN REMOVE THEM BY POOJA NAD POWERS .> > NITIN> > > > > > > > > > ___,_._,__> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://beta. cricket.. com> Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition * Click here! Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! Own a website.Get an unlimited package.Pay next to nothing.* Click here!. Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition * Click here! Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with India Travel Click here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 dear rajat, If a person is born as poor .... it is his karma right... agreed...?? And similarly people who are born poor with him are also born poor karmically. It is called collective karma. Suppose if a person is to have a boy and a girl as his child...... he cant get a lady who will be his wife ....and who will be able to give birth only to two males. It is collective karma that bring two different people to face the same issues. And if a person is born poor and is supposed to not provide enough food for his family ... he will have people with that karmas where they will not get enough from the bread earner would be born. And secondly .... he will not have bad karmas cos he is not providing enough .... but instead he would have erased his karma of undergoing pain and misery for not giving enough to his family. and having understood the sufferings of not having provided enough his sould would hve balanced the karmas of past bad karmas and also would have better life in future ..enough to provide to his family ... if he did not repeat his karmas for which he was made to suffer. Also the people who were not provided would have balanced thier bad karmas of being not provided with enough food and then will be born with new life according to how much positive energy they would have collected in the form of deeds and thought process( i mean good intentions). To understand karma we have to understand deep level of theory of karma and re incarnation.. No person would be made to simply suffer unless there is a reason. Here when you said a person would be born in poor family and will not have enough food to feed... could be one of his bad karma where he would have put a father in a state of misery and cheated his money and made is struggle not even to provide enough food for his family and his curse for putting him in that situation would have made him born in such situation. Also the dependents would be born cos they put some one in such a situation where they didnt put enough or provided enough to thier dependents or thier old parents ... when they needed them to support ...inspite of having enough... but some greedyness would have made them do that... So both would have balanced thier karmas relatives and finished it off ... in some way. karmas are like bank debts... it will get over if use pay your installments or balances and then you would be entitled to get new loans......if he settles in balance. I hope you got me this time atleast.........i made it brief last time thinking ... you would get it .. But you made me ... type little lengthy message. raj --- On Wed, 13/5/09, rajat as <asrajat wrote: rajat as <asrajatRe: Re: nadi and karma Date: Wednesday, 13 May, 2009, 10:38 AM hi rahulthanks for my reply but my question remains sameif a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice to improve karma?--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in> wrote: rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in>Re: Re: nadi and karmaTuesday, 12 May, 2009, 10:32 PM Dear friend , I was addressing you with that context only. When i said he can do his best with whatever he has with him and can give whatever possible to him. When talking about karma ... we have to take lot of things into consideration. It is a collective karma. A person who is born to a poor man will be destined to be in a poor family ....... if he is destined to have comforts from his parents he will get it., if he is destined to make everything on his own... his soul will lead to that... and if his karma means that his birth will bring fortunes to his parents... he father will have luck on his side... But all this will depend on the karma of other members of the family ... not just the bread earner. I hope you got ... what i am trying to tell regards raj--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: nadi and karmaTuesday, 12 May, 2009, 3:31 PM Hi rahul,Thanks for your mail.As i told earlier I am simply arguing without trying to hurt anyone.Lets leave the materialistic comfort even though you agree that they are better on this part.Now about other problems you have mentioned there,they exist in India also on the wider scale.Also I would like to get answer for this question.if a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice.?your karma is not in your hand as you can see from this example.Regardsrajat--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in> wrote: rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in>Re: Re: nadi and karmaTuesday, 12 May, 2009, 12:42 PM hello mr rajat, To karma just doesn't mean .... providing materialistic comforts to family members and then doing everything that one can to dominate or hurt someone in the family. Karma also means hving a good feeling and a desire to do all the right things possible. Suppose for example ... consider a man who earns millions and provides all the luxury... but ends up having many secret affairs without his wife's knowledge and cheating her from behind is a bad karma as well. I dont understand why do you count material comforts as happiness. Money can buy lot of things... i know ... but in many cases it has limitation's as well. I dont know how many people are happy in U.S and U.K......... . I guess it is your assumption . As far as i know .... majority of them get divorcee every now and then..., break ups in family. Many of them even dont know who their father is.... teenage pregnancy... . abortion... drugs.. many love affairs and failures... depression, mentally disturbed... what not. If you count the amount of money spent on medication.. . you would know how pain they have. Just having good infrastruction and better quality is not all that is important to life.... there are things beyond as well. Normally we associate happiness to money ..... so when we look at people with enough money ...we think that ..... they are happy. regards raj--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: nadi and karmaTuesday, 12 May, 2009, 10:24 AM Mr dhinkarrajaramThanks for your reply.My mail does not mean to hurt anyone.just to argue.I know the realities well for both USA and Europe Because I have been there but I am doubtful about you.And those few people who earn less than 10 dollars ,you know who are they.They are same indians or asians who take harmonium and sing on roads there.Anyhow All these karma concept is just useless ,to make people fool.There is no choice in india.people or system will force you to bad karma.I give one example if a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice.regards--- On Mon, 11/5/09, rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> wrote: rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> Re: nadi and karmaMonday, 11 May, 2009, 11:39 PM Mr. Rajat,I think you don't know the realities in western countries. There are baggers and people living in tenements (slums in our lingo). In US there are people who just live with a few dollars a day (don't convert to our currency) think in their economy not in Indian context. For us Rs 100 a big amount like wise for them 10$ itself a huge amount. And, today because of their karmas (what you meant in you post) they are suffering now. Before you post kindly check the realilty and analyse what you going to post and then post please., rajat as <asrajat > wrote:>> guys all this are bakwas,nadikarma etc etc,> tell me one thing why all foreign guys are living well even though they are doing bad thing as per our religion .more over follow this policy> satyug --satkarma> treta-50 percent satkarma remaining kukarma> kalyug 100 percent kukarma if you wanna survive> > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...> wrote:> > nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...>> Re: Re: My expirience and a few Geniric Questions on Thiru Balasubramaniiam Centre> > Tuesday, 5 May, 2009, 11:12 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEAR MEMBERS > > LET US DISCUSS ONE POINT. > WHEN PRCDICTION GO WRONG , THEN DONT THE MAHARISHI MAKES BAD KARMA FOR GIVING FALSE HOPES AND MISLEADING THE DEVOTEES , WHO TAKE IMPORTANT DESCISION OF LIFE AS PER THEIR PREDICTION .> WILL THE MAHARISHI NOT HAVE TO SUFFER DUE TO THIS BAD KARMA . BECOS LAW OF KARMA IS SAME FOR EVERYBODY INCLUDING MAHARISHIS . > BUT HERE WE CAN SAY ONE THING THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO REMOVE BAD KARMA .> THAT IS WHY THEY KEEPM ON DOING BAD KARMA AND THEN REMOVE THEM BY POOJA NAD POWERS .> > NITIN> > > > > > > > > > ___,_._,__> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://beta. cricket.. com> Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition * Click here! Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! Own a website.Get an unlimited package.Pay next to nothing.* Click here!. Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition * Click here! Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with India Travel Click here! Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition * Click here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 With my little understanding what I could say is, anyone can accumulate good karma, if doesn’t matter if you are rich or poor. A poor person can still generate positive karma and energy by praying or doing something that is not selfish. For example, if he sees a blind man on the road who is trying to cross the street and if he can help the blind man to cross the road he will earn good karma. He could do many thinks and earn good karma in life. Other example is, if he can think of god all the time and dedicate all his actions to god and not to have the bad qualities such as anger, jealousy, greed, envy and lust and love every human being and animals he will earn good karma. I have been living and working in the Western world for about 30 years. The real wealth one has is not how much money he has, it is the inner happiness or the bliss that he/she has. Some of the rich people have more mental problems in life than the poor people (it’s hard to see from outside). Coming back to Nadi, we read our ones when Mr Jai Shankar came to Sydney about 12 years ago. It’s Agastiyar Kandam and all what they said about the past was 100% correct. About the future, they were not specific so I would say it is about 60% correct. Jai Shankar is from Tamil Nadu but I was told there in Sri Lanka (in Colombo) as well. With Karma, I was told that we could change it to a smaller extent by performing good deeds. I was given an example, where you tie a cow with a rope to a pole. The cow has the freedom to move within the circle the rope could allow, but it can’t move beyond that. So, with Karma also it is the same. By doing good deeds we could change it slightly. That may be one of the reasons why the future in the Nadi may not be 100% correct. Regards,--- On Wed, 13/5/09, rajat as <asrajat wrote: rajat as <asrajatRe: Re: nadi and karma Received: Wednesday, 13 May, 2009, 3:08 PM hi rahulthanks for my reply but my question remains sameif a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice to improve karma?--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in> wrote: rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in>Re: Re: nadi and karmaTuesday, 12 May, 2009, 10:32 PM Dear friend , I was addressing you with that context only. When i said he can do his best with whatever he has with him and can give whatever possible to him. When talking about karma ... we have to take lot of things into consideration. It is a collective karma. A person who is born to a poor man will be destined to be in a poor family ....... if he is destined to have comforts from his parents he will get it., if he is destined to make everything on his own... his soul will lead to that... and if his karma means that his birth will bring fortunes to his parents... he father will have luck on his side.. But all this will depend on the karma of other members of the family ... not just the bread earner. I hope you got ... what i am trying to tell regards raj--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: nadi and karmaTuesday, 12 May, 2009, 3:31 PM Hi rahul,Thanks for your mail.As i told earlier I am simply arguing without trying to hurt anyone.Lets leave the materialistic comfort even though you agree that they are better on this part.Now about other problems you have mentioned there,they exist in India also on the wider scale.Also I would like to get answer for this question.if a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice.?your karma is not in your hand as you can see from this example.Regardsrajat--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in> wrote: rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in>Re: Re: nadi and karmaTuesday, 12 May, 2009, 12:42 PM hello mr rajat, To karma just doesn't mean .... providing materialistic comforts to family members and then doing everything that one can to dominate or hurt someone in the family. Karma also means hving a good feeling and a desire to do all the right things possible. Suppose for example ... consider a man who earns millions and provides all the luxury... but ends up having many secret affairs without his wife's knowledge and cheating her from behind is a bad karma as well. I dont understand why do you count material comforts as happiness. Money can buy lot of things... i know ... but in many cases it has limitation's as well. I dont know how many people are happy in U.S and U.K......... . I guess it is your assumption . As far as i know .... majority of them get divorcee every now and then..., break ups in family. Many of them even dont know who their father is.... teenage pregnancy... . abortion... drugs.. many love affairs and failures... depression, mentally disturbed... what not. If you count the amount of money spent on medication.. . you would know how pain they have. Just having good infrastruction and better quality is not all that is important to life.... there are things beyond as well. Normally we associate happiness to money ..... so when we look at people with enough money ...we think that ..... they are happy. regards raj--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: nadi and karmaTuesday, 12 May, 2009, 10:24 AM Mr dhinkarrajaramThanks for your reply.My mail does not mean to hurt anyone.just to argue.I know the realities well for both USA and Europe Because I have been there but I am doubtful about you.And those few people who earn less than 10 dollars ,you know who are they.They are same indians or asians who take harmonium and sing on roads there.Anyhow All these karma concept is just useless ,to make people fool.There is no choice in india.people or system will force you to bad karma.I give one example if a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice.regards--- On Mon, 11/5/09, rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> wrote: rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> Re: nadi and karmaMonday, 11 May, 2009, 11:39 PM Mr. Rajat,I think you don't know the realities in western countries. There are baggers and people living in tenements (slums in our lingo). In US there are people who just live with a few dollars a day (don't convert to our currency) think in their economy not in Indian context. For us Rs 100 a big amount like wise for them 10$ itself a huge amount. And, today because of their karmas (what you meant in you post) they are suffering now. Before you post kindly check the realilty and analyse what you going to post and then post please., rajat as <asrajat > wrote:>> guys all this are bakwas,nadikarma etc etc,> tell me one thing why all foreign guys are living well even though they are doing bad thing as per our religion .more over follow this policy> satyug --satkarma> treta-50 percent satkarma remaining kukarma> kalyug 100 percent kukarma if you wanna survive> > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...> wrote:> > nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...>> Re: Re: My expirience and a few Geniric Questions on Thiru Balasubramaniiam Centre> > Tuesday, 5 May, 2009, 11:12 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEAR MEMBERS > > LET US DISCUSS ONE POINT. > WHEN PRCDICTION GO WRONG , THEN DONT THE MAHARISHI MAKES BAD KARMA FOR GIVING FALSE HOPES AND MISLEADING THE DEVOTEES , WHO TAKE IMPORTANT DESCISION OF LIFE AS PER THEIR PREDICTION .> WILL THE MAHARISHI NOT HAVE TO SUFFER DUE TO THIS BAD KARMA . BECOS LAW OF KARMA IS SAME FOR EVERYBODY INCLUDING MAHARISHIS . > BUT HERE WE CAN SAY ONE THING THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO REMOVE BAD KARMA .> THAT IS WHY THEY KEEPM ON DOING BAD KARMA AND THEN REMOVE THEM BY POOJA NAD POWERS .> > NITIN> > > > > > > > > > ___,_._,__> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://beta. cricket.. com> Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition * Click here! Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! Own a website.Get an unlimited package.Pay next to nothing.* Click here!. Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition * Click here! Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with India Travel Click here! Need a Holiday? Win a $10,000 Holiday of your choice. Enter now.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 hello prashanth, Exactly true ...... that is what i was trying to tell him. I dont know well he was able to get what i was trying to say. raj--- On Wed, 13/5/09, Prasanth Kumar <prasanth.kumar81 wrote: Prasanth Kumar <prasanth.kumar81Re: Re: nadi and karma Date: Wednesday, 13 May, 2009, 2:23 PM Hi Rajat, I seriously beg to differ on yourview point wrt karma. My question here is what do you mean by doing good.? I think the intention to do Good coulld probably count towards good Karma. I think being poor if you struugle hard to give a good life to your family, provide them with all the happiness that is within your reach yo do get good karma Just giving you a quote from the Bhagwad Gita:- sreyan sva-dharmo vigunah para-dharmat sv-anushthitat sva-dharme nidhanam sreyah para-dharmo bhayavahah Meaning It is better to discharge one's prescribed duties, faultily, than another's another persons duties perfectly. Another Shloka from the Bhagwad Gita:- satkara-mana- pujarthamtapo dambhena caiva yatkriyate tad iha proktamrajasam calam adhruvam Meaning: Penance performed out of pride and for the sake of gaining respect, honor and worship is said to be in the mode of passion. It is neither stable nor permanent. Hence So in your case even if the poor man is discharging his duties towwards his family, he will certainly get Good karma and if a rich man does donations/gives alms simpally for the sake of gaining respect he will not get any good Karma Regards Prasanth PS: This is just my humble opinion. I am no great guru in Karma. --- On Wed, 5/13/09, rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: nadi and karmaWednesday, May 13, 2009, 10:38 AM hi rahulthanks for my reply but my question remains sameif a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice to improve karma?--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in> wrote: rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in>Re: Re: nadi and karmaTuesday, 12 May, 2009, 10:32 PM Dear friend , I was addressing you with that context only. When i said he can do his best with whatever he has with him and can give whatever possible to him. When talking about karma ... we have to take lot of things into consideration. It is a collective karma. A person who is born to a poor man will be destined to be in a poor family ....... if he is destined to have comforts from his parents he will get it., if he is destined to make everything on his own... his soul will lead to that... and if his karma means that his birth will bring fortunes to his parents... he father will have luck on his side... But all this will depend on the karma of other members of the family ... not just the bread earner. I hope you got ... what i am trying to tell regards raj--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: nadi and karmaTuesday, 12 May, 2009, 3:31 PM Hi rahul,Thanks for your mail.As i told earlier I am simply arguing without trying to hurt anyone.Lets leave the materialistic comfort even though you agree that they are better on this part.Now about other problems you have mentioned there,they exist in India also on the wider scale.Also I would like to get answer for this question.if a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice.?your karma is not in your hand as you can see from this example.Regardsrajat--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in> wrote: rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in>Re: Re: nadi and karmaTuesday, 12 May, 2009, 12:42 PM hello mr rajat, To karma just doesn't mean .... providing materialistic comforts to family members and then doing everything that one can to dominate or hurt someone in the family. Karma also means hving a good feeling and a desire to do all the right things possible. Suppose for example ... consider a man who earns millions and provides all the luxury... but ends up having many secret affairs without his wife's knowledge and cheating her from behind is a bad karma as well. I dont understand why do you count material comforts as happiness. Money can buy lot of things... i know ... but in many cases it has limitation's as well. I dont know how many people are happy in U.S and U.K......... . I guess it is your assumption . As far as i know .... majority of them get divorcee every now and then..., break ups in family. Many of them even dont know who their father is.... teenage pregnancy... . abortion... drugs.. many love affairs and failures... depression, mentally disturbed... what not. If you count the amount of money spent on medication.. . you would know how pain they have. Just having good infrastruction and better quality is not all that is important to life.... there are things beyond as well. Normally we associate happiness to money ..... so when we look at people with enough money ...we think that ..... they are happy. regards raj--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: nadi and karmaTuesday, 12 May, 2009, 10:24 AM Mr dhinkarrajaramThanks for your reply.My mail does not mean to hurt anyone.just to argue.I know the realities well for both USA and Europe Because I have been there but I am doubtful about you.And those few people who earn less than 10 dollars ,you know who are they.They are same indians or asians who take harmonium and sing on roads there.Anyhow All these karma concept is just useless ,to make people fool.There is no choice in india.people or system will force you to bad karma.I give one example if a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice.regards--- On Mon, 11/5/09, rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> wrote: rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> Re: nadi and karmaMonday, 11 May, 2009, 11:39 PM Mr. Rajat,I think you don't know the realities in western countries. There are baggers and people living in tenements (slums in our lingo). In US there are people who just live with a few dollars a day (don't convert to our currency) think in their economy not in Indian context. For us Rs 100 a big amount like wise for them 10$ itself a huge amount. And, today because of their karmas (what you meant in you post) they are suffering now. Before you post kindly check the realilty and analyse what you going to post and then post please., rajat as <asrajat > wrote:>> guys all this are bakwas,nadikarma etc etc,> tell me one thing why all foreign guys are living well even though they are doing bad thing as per our religion .more over follow this policy> satyug --satkarma> treta-50 percent satkarma remaining kukarma> kalyug 100 percent kukarma if you wanna survive> > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...> wrote:> > nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...>> Re: Re: My expirience and a few Geniric Questions on Thiru Balasubramaniiam Centre> > Tuesday, 5 May, 2009, 11:12 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEAR MEMBERS > > LET US DISCUSS ONE POINT. > WHEN PRCDICTION GO WRONG , THEN DONT THE MAHARISHI MAKES BAD KARMA FOR GIVING FALSE HOPES AND MISLEADING THE DEVOTEES , WHO TAKE IMPORTANT DESCISION OF LIFE AS PER THEIR PREDICTION .> WILL THE MAHARISHI NOT HAVE TO SUFFER DUE TO THIS BAD KARMA . BECOS LAW OF KARMA IS SAME FOR EVERYBODY INCLUDING MAHARISHIS . > BUT HERE WE CAN SAY ONE THING THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO REMOVE BAD KARMA .> THAT IS WHY THEY KEEPM ON DOING BAD KARMA AND THEN REMOVE THEM BY POOJA NAD POWERS .> > NITIN> > > > > > > > > > ___,_._,__> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://beta. cricket.. com> Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition * Click here! Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! Own a website.Get an unlimited package.Pay next to nothing.* Click here!. Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition * Click here! Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with India Travel Click here! Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with India Travel Click here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 hi rahul and prasanth,Thanks for your replies.I am concluding that intentions are important for karma to be categorized as good or Bad.One thing I would lie tRegards--- On Wed, 13/5/09, rahul rai <volcano_hit wrote:rahul rai <volcano_hitRe: Re: nadi and karma Date: Wednesday, 13 May, 2009, 3:17 PM dear rajat, If a person is born as poor .... it is his karma right... agreed...?? And similarly people who are born poor with him are also born poor karmically. It is called collective karma. Suppose if a person is to have a boy and a girl as his child...... he cant get a lady who will be his wife ....and who will be able to give birth only to two males. It is collective karma that bring two different people to face the same issues. And if a person is born poor and is supposed to not provide enough food for his family ... he will have people with that karmas where they will not get enough from the bread earner would be born. And secondly .... he will not have bad karmas cos he is not providing enough .... but instead he would have erased his karma of undergoing pain and misery for not giving enough to his family. and having understood the sufferings of not having provided enough his sould would hve balanced the karmas of past bad karmas and also would have better life in future ..enough to provide to his family ... if he did not repeat his karmas for which he was made to suffer. Also the people who were not provided would have balanced thier bad karmas of being not provided with enough food and then will be born with new life according to how much positive energy they would have collected in the form of deeds and thought process( i mean good intentions). To understand karma we have to understand deep level of theory of karma and re incarnation. . No person would be made to simply suffer unless there is a reason. Here when you said a person would be born in poor family and will not have enough food to feed... could be one of his bad karma where he would have put a father in a state of misery and cheated his money and made is struggle not even to provide enough food for his family and his curse for putting him in that situation would have made him born in such situation. Also the dependents would be born cos they put some one in such a situation where they didnt put enough or provided enough to thier dependents or thier old parents ... when they needed them to support ...inspite of having enough... but some greedyness would have made them do that... So both would have balanced thier karmas relatives and finished it off ... in some way. karmas are like bank debts... it will get over if use pay your installments or balances and then you would be entitled to get new loans......if he settles in balance. I hope you got me this time atleast..... ....i made it brief last time thinking ... you would get it .. But you made me ... type little lengthy message. raj --- On Wed, 13/5/09, rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: nadi and karmaWednesday, 13 May, 2009, 10:38 AM hi rahulthanks for my reply but my question remains sameif a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice to improve karma?--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in> wrote: rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in>Re: Re: nadi and karmaTuesday, 12 May, 2009, 10:32 PM Dear friend , I was addressing you with that context only. When i said he can do his best with whatever he has with him and can give whatever possible to him. When talking about karma ... we have to take lot of things into consideration. It is a collective karma. A person who is born to a poor man will be destined to be in a poor family ....... if he is destined to have comforts from his parents he will get it., if he is destined to make everything on his own... his soul will lead to that... and if his karma means that his birth will bring fortunes to his parents... he father will have luck on his side... But all this will depend on the karma of other members of the family ... not just the bread earner. I hope you got ... what i am trying to tell regards raj--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: nadi and karmaTuesday, 12 May, 2009, 3:31 PM Hi rahul,Thanks for your mail.As i told earlier I am simply arguing without trying to hurt anyone.Lets leave the materialistic comfort even though you agree that they are better on this part.Now about other problems you have mentioned there,they exist in India also on the wider scale.Also I would like to get answer for this question.if a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice.?your karma is not in your hand as you can see from this example.Regardsrajat--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in> wrote: rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in>Re: Re: nadi and karmaTuesday, 12 May, 2009, 12:42 PM hello mr rajat, To karma just doesn't mean .... providing materialistic comforts to family members and then doing everything that one can to dominate or hurt someone in the family. Karma also means hving a good feeling and a desire to do all the right things possible. Suppose for example ... consider a man who earns millions and provides all the luxury... but ends up having many secret affairs without his wife's knowledge and cheating her from behind is a bad karma as well. I dont understand why do you count material comforts as happiness. Money can buy lot of things... i know ... but in many cases it has limitation's as well. I dont know how many people are happy in U.S and U.K......... . I guess it is your assumption . As far as i know .... majority of them get divorcee every now and then..., break ups in family. Many of them even dont know who their father is.... teenage pregnancy... . abortion... drugs.. many love affairs and failures... depression, mentally disturbed... what not. If you count the amount of money spent on medication.. . you would know how pain they have. Just having good infrastruction and better quality is not all that is important to life.... there are things beyond as well. Normally we associate happiness to money ..... so when we look at people with enough money ...we think that ..... they are happy. regards raj--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: nadi and karmaTuesday, 12 May, 2009, 10:24 AM Mr dhinkarrajaramThanks for your reply.My mail does not mean to hurt anyone.just to argue.I know the realities well for both USA and Europe Because I have been there but I am doubtful about you.And those few people who earn less than 10 dollars ,you know who are they.They are same indians or asians who take harmonium and sing on roads there.Anyhow All these karma concept is just useless ,to make people fool.There is no choice in india.people or system will force you to bad karma.I give one example if a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice.regards--- On Mon, 11/5/09, rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> wrote: rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> Re: nadi and karmaMonday, 11 May, 2009, 11:39 PM Mr. Rajat,I think you don't know the realities in western countries. There are baggers and people living in tenements (slums in our lingo). In US there are people who just live with a few dollars a day (don't convert to our currency) think in their economy not in Indian context. For us Rs 100 a big amount like wise for them 10$ itself a huge amount. And, today because of their karmas (what you meant in you post) they are suffering now. Before you post kindly check the realilty and analyse what you going to post and then post please., rajat as <asrajat > wrote:>> guys all this are bakwas,nadikarma etc etc,> tell me one thing why all foreign guys are living well even though they are doing bad thing as per our religion .more over follow this policy> satyug --satkarma> treta-50 percent satkarma remaining kukarma> kalyug 100 percent kukarma if you wanna survive> > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...> wrote:> > nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...>> Re: Re: My expirience and a few Geniric Questions on Thiru Balasubramaniiam Centre> > Tuesday, 5 May, 2009, 11:12 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEAR MEMBERS > > LET US DISCUSS ONE POINT. > WHEN PRCDICTION GO WRONG , THEN DONT THE MAHARISHI MAKES BAD KARMA FOR GIVING FALSE HOPES AND MISLEADING THE DEVOTEES , WHO TAKE IMPORTANT DESCISION OF LIFE AS PER THEIR PREDICTION .> WILL THE MAHARISHI NOT HAVE TO SUFFER DUE TO THIS BAD KARMA . BECOS LAW OF KARMA IS SAME FOR EVERYBODY INCLUDING MAHARISHIS . > BUT HERE WE CAN SAY ONE THING THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO REMOVE BAD KARMA .> THAT IS WHY THEY KEEPM ON DOING BAD KARMA AND THEN REMOVE THEM BY POOJA NAD POWERS .> > NITIN> > > > > > > > > > ___,_._,__> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://beta. cricket.. com> Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition * Click here! Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! Own a website.Get an unlimited package.Pay next to nothing.* Click here!. Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition * Click here! Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with India Travel Click here! Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition * Click here! Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 hi rahul and prasanth,Thanks for your replies.I am concluding that intentions are important for karma to be categorized as good or Bad.One thing I would like to say that In Asian countries even though you have good intentions,little any one can do due to economy issues while in west they have choice to fulfiltheir intentions.Regards--- On Thu, 14/5/09, Siva Kumar <kumardarshy wrote:Siva Kumar <kumardarshyRe: Re: nadi and karma Date: Thursday, 14 May, 2009, 10:50 AM With my little understanding what I could say is, anyone can accumulate good karma, if doesn’t matter if you are rich or poor. A poor person can still generate positive karma and energy by praying or doing something that is not selfish. For example, if he sees a blind man on the road who is trying to cross the street and if he can help the blind man to cross the road he will earn good karma. He could do many thinks and earn good karma in life. Other example is, if he can think of god all the time and dedicate all his actions to god and not to have the bad qualities such as anger, jealousy, greed, envy and lust and love every human being and animals he will earn good karma. I have been living and working in the Western world for about 30 years. The real wealth one has is not how much money he has, it is the inner happiness or the bliss that he/she has. Some of the rich people have more mental problems in life than the poor people (it’s hard to see from outside). Coming back to Nadi, we read our ones when Mr Jai Shankar came to Sydney about 12 years ago. It’s Agastiyar Kandam and all what they said about the past was 100% correct. About the future, they were not specific so I would say it is about 60% correct. Jai Shankar is from Tamil Nadu but I was told there in Sri Lanka (in Colombo ) as well. With Karma, I was told that we could change it to a smaller extent by performing good deeds. I was given an example, where you tie a cow with a rope to a pole. The cow has the freedom to move within the circle the rope could allow, but it can’t move beyond that. So, with Karma also it is the same. By doing good deeds we could change it slightly. That may be one of the reasons why the future in the Nadi may not be 100% correct. Regards,--- On Wed, 13/5/09, rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: nadi and karmaReceived: Wednesday, 13 May, 2009, 3:08 PM hi rahulthanks for my reply but my question remains sameif a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice to improve karma?--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in> wrote: rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in>Re: Re: nadi and karmaTuesday, 12 May, 2009, 10:32 PM Dear friend , I was addressing you with that context only. When i said he can do his best with whatever he has with him and can give whatever possible to him. When talking about karma ... we have to take lot of things into consideration. It is a collective karma. A person who is born to a poor man will be destined to be in a poor family ....... if he is destined to have comforts from his parents he will get it., if he is destined to make everything on his own... his soul will lead to that... and if his karma means that his birth will bring fortunes to his parents... he father will have luck on his side.. But all this will depend on the karma of other members of the family ... not just the bread earner. I hope you got ... what i am trying to tell regards raj--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: nadi and karmaTuesday, 12 May, 2009, 3:31 PM Hi rahul,Thanks for your mail.As i told earlier I am simply arguing without trying to hurt anyone.Lets leave the materialistic comfort even though you agree that they are better on this part.Now about other problems you have mentioned there,they exist in India also on the wider scale.Also I would like to get answer for this question.if a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice.?your karma is not in your hand as you can see from this example.Regardsrajat--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in> wrote: rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in>Re: Re: nadi and karmaTuesday, 12 May, 2009, 12:42 PM hello mr rajat, To karma just doesn't mean .... providing materialistic comforts to family members and then doing everything that one can to dominate or hurt someone in the family. Karma also means hving a good feeling and a desire to do all the right things possible. Suppose for example ... consider a man who earns millions and provides all the luxury... but ends up having many secret affairs without his wife's knowledge and cheating her from behind is a bad karma as well. I dont understand why do you count material comforts as happiness. Money can buy lot of things... i know ... but in many cases it has limitation's as well. I dont know how many people are happy in U.S and U.K......... . I guess it is your assumption . As far as i know .... majority of them get divorcee every now and then..., break ups in family. Many of them even dont know who their father is.... teenage pregnancy... . abortion... drugs.. many love affairs and failures... depression, mentally disturbed... what not. If you count the amount of money spent on medication.. . you would know how pain they have. Just having good infrastruction and better quality is not all that is important to life.... there are things beyond as well. Normally we associate happiness to money ..... so when we look at people with enough money ...we think that ..... they are happy. regards raj--- On Tue, 12/5/09, rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: nadi and karmaTuesday, 12 May, 2009, 10:24 AM Mr dhinkarrajaramThanks for your reply.My mail does not mean to hurt anyone.just to argue.I know the realities well for both USA and Europe Because I have been there but I am doubtful about you.And those few people who earn less than 10 dollars ,you know who are they.They are same indians or asians who take harmonium and sing on roads there.Anyhow All these karma concept is just useless ,to make people fool.There is no choice in india.people or system will force you to bad karma.I give one example if a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice.regards--- On Mon, 11/5/09, rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> wrote: rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> Re: nadi and karmaMonday, 11 May, 2009, 11:39 PM Mr. Rajat,I think you don't know the realities in western countries. There are baggers and people living in tenements (slums in our lingo). In US there are people who just live with a few dollars a day (don't convert to our currency) think in their economy not in Indian context. For us Rs 100 a big amount like wise for them 10$ itself a huge amount. And, today because of their karmas (what you meant in you post) they are suffering now. Before you post kindly check the realilty and analyse what you going to post and then post please., rajat as <asrajat > wrote:>> guys all this are bakwas,nadikarma etc etc,> tell me one thing why all foreign guys are living well even though they are doing bad thing as per our religion .more over follow this policy> satyug --satkarma> treta-50 percent satkarma remaining kukarma> kalyug 100 percent kukarma if you wanna survive> > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...> wrote:> > nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...>> Re: Re: My expirience and a few Geniric Questions on Thiru Balasubramaniiam Centre> > Tuesday, 5 May, 2009, 11:12 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEAR MEMBERS > > LET US DISCUSS ONE POINT. > WHEN PRCDICTION GO WRONG , THEN DONT THE MAHARISHI MAKES BAD KARMA FOR GIVING FALSE HOPES AND MISLEADING THE DEVOTEES , WHO TAKE IMPORTANT DESCISION OF LIFE AS PER THEIR PREDICTION .> WILL THE MAHARISHI NOT HAVE TO SUFFER DUE TO THIS BAD KARMA . BECOS LAW OF KARMA IS SAME FOR EVERYBODY INCLUDING MAHARISHIS . > BUT HERE WE CAN SAY ONE THING THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO REMOVE BAD KARMA .> THAT IS WHY THEY KEEPM ON DOING BAD KARMA AND THEN REMOVE THEM BY POOJA NAD POWERS .> > NITIN> > > > > > > > > > ___,_._,__> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://beta. cricket.. com> Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition * Click here! Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! Own a website.Get an unlimited package.Pay next to nothing.* Click here!. Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition * Click here! Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with India Travel Click here! Need a Holiday? Win a $10,000 Holiday of your choice. Enter now.. Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with India Travel Click here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Hi Guys, Thank you for your contributions to the Naadi forum! However has this topic on krama is diverting away from the purpose of the forum we will no longer be accepting any post on it unless it is related back to naadi astrology. With Kind Regards Hari Moderator , rajat as <asrajat wrote: > > hi rahul and prasanth, > Thanks for your replies.I am concluding that intentions are important for karma to be categorized as good or Bad. > One thing I would like to say that In Asian countries even though you have good intentions,little any one can do due to economy issues while in west they have choice to fulfiltheir intentions. > > Regards > > --- On Thu, 14/5/09, Siva Kumar <kumardarshy wrote: > > Siva Kumar <kumardarshy > Re: Re: nadi and karma > > Thursday, 14 May, 2009, 10:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > With my little understanding what I could say is, anyone can accumulate good karma, if doesn’t matter if you are rich or poor. A poor person can still generate positive karma and energy by praying or doing something that is not selfish. For example, if he sees a blind man on the road who is trying to cross the street and if he can help the blind man to cross the road he will earn good karma. He could do many thinks and earn good karma in life. Other example is, if he can think of god all the time and dedicate all his actions to god and not to have the bad qualities such as anger, jealousy, greed, envy and lust and love every human being and animals he will earn good > karma. >  > I have been living and working in the Western world for about 30 years. The real wealth one has is not how much money he has, it is the inner happiness or the bliss that he/she has. Some of the rich people have more mental problems in life than the poor people (it’s hard to see from outside). >  > Coming back to Nadi, we read our ones when Mr Jai Shankar came to Sydney about 12 years ago. It’s Agastiyar Kandam and all what they said about the past was 100% correct. About the future, they were not specific so I would say it is about 60% correct. Jai Shankar is from Tamil Nadu but I was told there in Sri Lanka (in Colombo ) as well. >  > With Karma, I was told that we could change it to a smaller extent by performing good deeds. I was given an example, where you tie a cow with a rope to a pole. The cow has the freedom to move within the circle the rope could allow,  but it can’t move beyond that. So, with Karma also it is the same. By doing good deeds we could change it slightly. That may be one of the reasons why the future in the Nadi may not be 100% correct. >  > Regards, > > --- On Wed, 13/5/09, rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > > rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> > Re: Re: nadi and karma > > Received: Wednesday, 13 May, 2009, 3:08 PM > > hi rahul > thanks for my reply but my question remains same > if a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice to improve karma? > > --- On Tue, 12/5/09, rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in> wrote: > > > rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in> > Re: Re: nadi and karma > > Tuesday, 12 May, 2009, 10:32 PM > > > Dear friend , >  > I was addressing you with that context only. When i said he can do his best with whatever he has with him and can give whatever possible to him. When talking about karma ... we have to take lot of things into consideration. It is a collective karma. A person who is born to a poor man will be destined to be in a poor family ....... if he is destined to have comforts from his parents he will get it., if he is destined to make everything on his own... his soul will lead to that... and if his karma means that his birth will bring fortunes to his parents... he father will have luck on his side.. But all this will depend on the karma of other members of the family ... not just the bread earner. >  > I hope you got ... what i am trying to tell >  > regards > raj > > --- On Tue, 12/5/09, rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > > rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> > Re: Re: nadi and karma > > Tuesday, 12 May, 2009, 3:31 PM > > Hi rahul, > Thanks for your mail.As i told earlier I am simply arguing without trying to hurt anyone. > Lets leave the materialistic comfort even though you agree that they are better on this part. > Now about other problems you have mentioned there,they exist in India also on the wider scale.Also I would like to get answer for this question.if a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice.?your karma is not in your hand as you can see from this example. > > Regards > rajat > > --- On Tue, 12/5/09, rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in> wrote: > > > rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in> > Re: Re: nadi and karma > > Tuesday, 12 May, 2009, 12:42 PM > > > hello mr rajat, >  > To karma just doesn't mean .... providing materialistic comforts to family members and then doing everything that one can to dominate or hurt someone in the family. Karma also means hving a good feeling and a desire to do all the right things possible. Suppose for example ... consider a man who earns millions and provides all the luxury... but ends up having many secret affairs without his wife's knowledge and cheating her from behind  is a bad karma as well. I dont understand why do you count material comforts as happiness. Money can buy lot of things... i know ... but in many cases it has limitation's as well. I dont know how many people are happy in U.S and U.K......... . I guess it is your assumption . As far as i know .... majority of them get divorcee every now and then..., break ups in family. Many of them even dont know who their father is.... teenage pregnancy... . abortion... drugs.. many love affairs and failures... > depression, mentally disturbed... what not. If you count the amount of money spent on medication.. . you would know how pain they have.  Just having good infrastruction and better quality is not all that is important to life.... there are things beyond as well. >  > Normally we associate happiness to money ..... so when we look at people with enough money ...we think that ..... they are happy. >  > regards > raj > --- On Tue, 12/5/09, rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > > rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> > Re: Re: nadi and karma > > Tuesday, 12 May, 2009, 10:24 AM > > Mr dhinkarrajaram > Thanks for your reply.My mail does not mean to hurt anyone.just to argue. > I know the realities well for both USA and Europe Because I have been there but I am doubtful about you. > And those few people who earn less than 10 dollars ,you know who are they.They are same indians or asians who take harmonium and sing on roads there. > > Anyhow All these karma concept is just useless ,to make people fool. > There is no choice in india.people or system will force you to bad karma. > I give one example if a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice. > regards > > > --- On Mon, 11/5/09, rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> > Re: nadi and karma > > Monday, 11 May, 2009, 11:39 PM > > > > > Mr. Rajat, > > I think you don't know the realities in western countries. There are baggers and people living in tenements (slums in our lingo). In US there are people who just live with a few dollars a day (don't convert to our currency) think in their economy not in Indian context. For us Rs 100 a big amount like wise for them 10$ itself a huge amount. > > And, today because of their karmas (what you meant in you post) they are suffering now. > > Before you post kindly check the realilty and analyse what you going to post and then post please. > > , rajat as <asrajat@ > wrote: > > > > guys all this are bakwas,nadikarma etc etc, > > tell me one thing why all foreign guys are living well even though they are doing bad thing as per our religion .more over follow this policy > > satyug --satkarma > > treta-50 percent satkarma remaining > kukarma > > kalyug 100 percent kukarma if you wanna survive > > > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...> wrote: > > > > nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...> > > Re: Re: My expirience and a few Geniric Questions on Thiru Balasubramaniiam Centre > > > > Tuesday, 5 May, 2009, 11:12 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEAR MEMBERS > >  > > LET US DISCUSS ONE POINT. > > WHEN PRCDICTION GO WRONG , THEN DONT THE MAHARISHI MAKES BAD KARMA FOR GIVING FALSE HOPES AND MISLEADING THE DEVOTEES , WHO TAKE IMPORTANT DESCISION OF LIFE AS PER THEIR PREDICTION . > > WILL THE MAHARISHI NOT HAVE TO SUFFER DUE TO THIS BAD KARMA . BECOS LAW OF KARMA IS SAME > FOR EVERYBODY INCLUDING MAHARISHIS . > > BUT HERE WE CAN SAY ONE THING THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO REMOVE BAD KARMA . > > THAT IS WHY THEY KEEPM ON DOING BAD KARMA AND THEN REMOVE THEM BY POOJA NAD POWERS . > >  > > NITIN > > > >  > >                                         \     > > > >  > >                   > > > > > > > > ___,_._,__ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://beta. cricket.. com > > > > > > > Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition * Click here! > > > > Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! > > > > Own a website.Get an unlimited package.Pay next to nothing.* Click here!. > > > > Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition * Click here! > > > > Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with India Travel Click here! 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Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Hi HariAnyhow discussion is over.I would suggest that these topics should be allowed as karma is related to nadi.regards--- On Thu, 14/5/09, harinomore <harinomore wrote:harinomore <harinomore Re: nadi and karma Date: Thursday, 14 May, 2009, 5:20 PM Hi Guys, Thank you for your contributions to the Naadi forum! However has this topic on krama is diverting away from the purpose of the forum we will no longer be accepting any post on it unless it is related back to naadi astrology. With Kind Regards Hari Moderator , rajat as <asrajat > wrote: > > hi rahul and prasanth, > Thanks for your replies.I am concluding that intentions are important for karma to be categorized as good or Bad. > One thing I would like to say that In Asian countries even though you have good intentions,little any one can do due to economy issues while in west they have choice to fulfiltheir intentions. > > Regards > > --- On Thu, 14/5/09, Siva Kumar <kumardarshy@ ...> wrote: > > Siva Kumar <kumardarshy@ ...> > Re: Re: nadi and karma > > Thursday, 14 May, 2009, 10:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With my little understanding what I could say is, anyone can accumulate good karma, if doesn’t matter if you are rich or poor. A poor person can still generate positive karma and energy by praying or doing something that is not selfish. For example, if he sees a blind man on the road who is trying to cross the street and if he can help the blind man to cross the road he will earn good karma. He could do many thinks and earn good karma in life. Other example is, if he can think of god all the time and dedicate all his actions to god and not to have the bad qualities such as anger, jealousy, greed, envy and lust and love every human being and animals he will earn good > karma. >  > I have been living and working in the Western world for about 30 years. The real wealth one has is not how much money he has, it is the inner happiness or the bliss that he/she has. Some of the rich people have more mental problems in life than the poor people (it’s hard to see from outside). >  > Coming back to Nadi, we read our ones when Mr Jai Shankar came to Sydney about 12 years ago. It’s Agastiyar Kandam and all what they said about the past was 100% correct. About the future, they were not specific so I would say it is about 60% correct. Jai Shankar is from Tamil Nadu but I was told there in Sri Lanka (in Colombo ) as well. >  > With Karma, I was told that we could change it to a smaller extent by performing good deeds. I was given an example, where you tie a cow with a rope to a pole. The cow has the freedom to move within the circle the rope could allow,  but it can’t move beyond that. So, with Karma also it is the same. By doing good deeds we could change it slightly. That may be one of the reasons why the future in the Nadi may not be 100% correct. >  > Regards, > > --- On Wed, 13/5/09, rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > > rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> > Re: Re: nadi and karma > > Received: Wednesday, 13 May, 2009, 3:08 PM > > > > > > > > > hi rahul > thanks for my reply but my question remains same > if a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice to improve karma? > > --- On Tue, 12/5/09, rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in> wrote: > > > rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in> > Re: Re: nadi and karma > > Tuesday, 12 May, 2009, 10:32 PM > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend , >  > I was addressing you with that context only. When i said he can do his best with whatever he has with him and can give whatever possible to him. When talking about karma ... we have to take lot of things into consideration. It is a collective karma. A person who is born to a poor man will be destined to be in a poor family ....... if he is destined to have comforts from his parents he will get it., if he is destined to make everything on his own... his soul will lead to that... and if his karma means that his birth will bring fortunes to his parents... he father will have luck on his side.. But all this will depend on the karma of other members of the family ... not just the bread earner. >  > I hope you got ... what i am trying to tell >  > regards > raj > > --- On Tue, 12/5/09, rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > > rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> > Re: Re: nadi and karma > > Tuesday, 12 May, 2009, 3:31 PM > > > > > > > > > Hi rahul, > Thanks for your mail.As i told earlier I am simply arguing without trying to hurt anyone. > Lets leave the materialistic comfort even though you agree that they are better on this part. > Now about other problems you have mentioned there,they exist in India also on the wider scale.Also I would like to get answer for this question.if a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice.?your karma is not in your hand as you can see from this example. > > Regards > rajat > > --- On Tue, 12/5/09, rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in> wrote: > > > rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in> > Re: Re: nadi and karma > > Tuesday, 12 May, 2009, 12:42 PM > > > > > > > > > > hello mr rajat, >  > To karma just doesn't mean .... providing materialistic comforts to family members and then doing everything that one can to dominate or hurt someone in the family. Karma also means hving a good feeling and a desire to do all the right things possible. Suppose for example ... consider a man who earns millions and provides all the luxury... but ends up having many secret affairs without his wife's knowledge and cheating her from behind  is a bad karma as well. I dont understand why do you count material comforts as happiness. Money can buy lot of things... i know ... but in many cases it has limitation's as well. I dont know how many people are happy in U.S and U.K......... . I guess it is your assumption . As far as i know .... majority of them get divorcee every now and then..., break ups in family. Many of them even dont know who their father is.... teenage pregnancy... . abortion... drugs.. many love affairs and failures... > depression, mentally disturbed... what not. If you count the amount of money spent on medication.. . you would know how pain they have.  Just having good infrastruction and better quality is not all that is important to life.... there are things beyond as well. >  > Normally we associate happiness to money ..... so when we look at people with enough money ...we think that ..... they are happy. >  > regards > raj > --- On Tue, 12/5/09, rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > > rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> > Re: Re: nadi and karma > > Tuesday, 12 May, 2009, 10:24 AM > > > > > > > > > Mr dhinkarrajaram > Thanks for your reply.My mail does not mean to hurt anyone.just to argue. > I know the realities well for both USA and Europe Because I have been there but I am doubtful about you. > And those few people who earn less than 10 dollars ,you know who are they.They are same indians or asians who take harmonium and sing on roads there. > > Anyhow All these karma concept is just useless ,to make people fool. > There is no choice in india.people or system will force you to bad karma. > I give one example if a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice. > regards > > > --- On Mon, 11/5/09, rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> > Re: nadi and karma > > Monday, 11 May, 2009, 11:39 PM > > > > > Mr. Rajat, > > I think you don't know the realities in western countries. There are baggers and people living in tenements (slums in our lingo). In US there are people who just live with a few dollars a day (don't convert to our currency) think in their economy not in Indian context. For us Rs 100 a big amount like wise for them 10$ itself a huge amount. > > And, today because of their karmas (what you meant in you post) they are suffering now. > > Before you post kindly check the realilty and analyse what you going to post and then post please. > > , rajat as <asrajat@ > wrote: > > > > guys all this are bakwas,nadikarma etc etc, > > tell me one thing why all foreign guys are living well even though they are doing bad thing as per our religion .more over follow this policy > > satyug --satkarma > > treta-50 percent satkarma remaining > kukarma > > kalyug 100 percent kukarma if you wanna survive > > > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...> wrote: > > > > nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...> > > Re: Re: My expirience and a few Geniric Questions on Thiru Balasubramaniiam Centre > > > > Tuesday, 5 May, 2009, 11:12 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEAR MEMBERS > >  > > LET US DISCUSS ONE POINT. > > WHEN PRCDICTION GO WRONG , THEN DONT THE MAHARISHI MAKES BAD KARMA FOR GIVING FALSE HOPES AND MISLEADING THE DEVOTEES , WHO TAKE IMPORTANT DESCISION OF LIFE AS PER THEIR PREDICTION . > > WILL THE MAHARISHI NOT HAVE TO SUFFER DUE TO THIS BAD KARMA . BECOS LAW OF KARMA IS SAME > FOR EVERYBODY INCLUDING MAHARISHIS . > > BUT HERE WE CAN SAY ONE THING THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO REMOVE BAD KARMA . > > THAT IS WHY THEY KEEPM ON DOING BAD KARMA AND THEN REMOVE THEM BY POOJA NAD POWERS . > >  > > NITIN > > > >  > >                                             > > > >  > >                   > > > > > > > > ___,_._,__ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://beta. cricket.. com > > > > > > > Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition * Click here! > > > > Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! > > > > Own a website.Get an unlimited package.Pay next to nothing.* Click here!. > > > > Now surf faster and smarter ! 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Guest guest Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Yes, I agree with Shri Rajat.Naadi is a kind of record of your past karmas and thier fruits in this birth.Most of us would like to know what karmas ( duties )are lined up in the present birth. Regds VBD--- On Thu, 14/5/09, rajat as <asrajat wrote: rajat as <asrajatRe: Re: nadi and karma Date: Thursday, 14 May, 2009, 8:15 PM Hi HariAnyhow discussion is over.I would suggest that these topics should be allowed as karma is related to nadi.regards--- On Thu, 14/5/09, harinomore <harinomore > wrote: harinomore <harinomore > Re: nadi and karmaThursday, 14 May, 2009, 5:20 PM Hi Guys,Thank you for your contributions to the Naadi forum! However has this topic on krama is diverting away from the purpose of the forum we will no longer be accepting any post on it unless it is related back to naadi astrology.With Kind RegardsHariModerator , rajat as <asrajat > wrote:>> hi rahul and prasanth,> Thanks for your replies.I am concluding that intentions are important for karma to be categorized as good or Bad.> One thing I would like to say that In Asian countries even though you have good intentions,little any one can do due to economy issues while in west they have choice to fulfiltheir intentions.> > Regards> > --- On Thu, 14/5/09, Siva Kumar <kumardarshy@ ...> wrote:> > Siva Kumar <kumardarshy@ ...>> Re: Re: nadi and karma> > Thursday, 14 May, 2009, 10:50 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With my little understanding what I could say is, anyone can accumulate good karma, if doesn’t matter if you are rich or poor. A poor person can still generate positive karma and energy by praying or doing something that is not selfish. For example, if he sees a blind man on the road who is trying to cross the street and if he can help the blind man to cross the road he will earn good karma. He could do many thinks and earn good karma in life. Other example is, if he can think of god all the time and dedicate all his actions to god and not to have the bad qualities such as anger, jealousy, greed, envy and lust and love every human being and animals he will earn good> karma. >  > I have been living and working in the Western world for about 30 years. The real wealth one has is not how much money he has, it is the inner happiness or the bliss that he/she has. Some of the rich people have more mental problems in life than the poor people (it’s hard to see from outside). >  > Coming back to Nadi, we read our ones when Mr Jai Shankar came to Sydney about 12 years ago. It’s Agastiyar Kandam and all what they said about the past was 100% correct. About the future, they were not specific so I would say it is about 60% correct. Jai Shankar is from Tamil Nadu but I was told there in Sri Lanka (in Colombo ) as well. >  > With Karma, I was told that we could change it to a smaller extent by performing good deeds. I was given an example, where you tie a cow with a rope to a pole. The cow has the freedom to move within the circle the rope could allow,  but it can’t move beyond that. So, with Karma also it is the same. By doing good deeds we could change it slightly. That may be one of the reasons why the future in the Nadi may not be 100% correct. >  > Regards,> > --- On Wed, 13/5/09, rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in>> Re: Re: nadi and karma> > Received: Wednesday, 13 May, 2009, 3:08 PM> > > > > > > > > hi rahul> thanks for my reply but my question remains same> if a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice to improve karma?> > --- On Tue, 12/5/09, rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in> wrote:> > > rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in>> Re: Re: nadi and karma> > Tuesday, 12 May, 2009, 10:32 PM> > > > > > > > > > Dear friend ,>  > I was addressing you with that context only. When i said he can do his best with whatever he has with him and can give whatever possible to him. When talking about karma ... we have to take lot of things into consideration. It is a collective karma. A person who is born to a poor man will be destined to be in a poor family ....... if he is destined to have comforts from his parents he will get it., if he is destined to make everything on his own... his soul will lead to that... and if his karma means that his birth will bring fortunes to his parents... he father will have luck on his side.. But all this will depend on the karma of other members of the family ... not just the bread earner.>  > I hope you got ... what i am trying to tell>  > regards> raj> > --- On Tue, 12/5/09, rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in>> Re: Re: nadi and karma> > Tuesday, 12 May, 2009, 3:31 PM> > > > > > > > > Hi rahul,> Thanks for your mail.As i told earlier I am simply arguing without trying to hurt anyone.> Lets leave the materialistic comfort even though you agree that they are better on this part.> Now about other problems you have mentioned there,they exist in India also on the wider scale.Also I would like to get answer for this question.if a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice.?your karma is not in your hand as you can see from this example.> > Regards> rajat> > --- On Tue, 12/5/09, rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in> wrote:> > > rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in>> Re: Re: nadi and karma> > Tuesday, 12 May, 2009, 12:42 PM> > > > > > > > > > hello mr rajat,>  > To karma just doesn't mean .... providing materialistic comforts to family members and then doing everything that one can to dominate or hurt someone in the family. Karma also means hving a good feeling and a desire to do all the right things possible. Suppose for example ... consider a man who earns millions and provides all the luxury... but ends up having many secret affairs without his wife's knowledge and cheating her from behind  is a bad karma as well. I dont understand why do you count material comforts as happiness. Money can buy lot of things... i know ... but in many cases it has limitation's as well. I dont know how many people are happy in U.S and U.K......... . I guess it is your assumption . As far as i know .... majority of them get divorcee every now and then..., break ups in family. Many of them even dont know who their father is.... teenage pregnancy... . abortion... drugs.. many love affairs and failures...> depression, mentally disturbed... what not. If you count the amount of money spent on medication.. . you would know how pain they have.  Just having good infrastruction and better quality is not all that is important to life.... there are things beyond as well.>  > Normally we associate happiness to money ..... so when we look at people with enough money ...we think that ..... they are happy.>  > regards> raj> --- On Tue, 12/5/09, rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in>> Re: Re: nadi and karma> > Tuesday, 12 May, 2009, 10:24 AM> > > > > > > > > Mr dhinkarrajaram> Thanks for your reply.My mail does not mean to hurt anyone.just to argue.> I know the realities well for both USA and Europe Because I have been there but I am doubtful about you.> And those few people who earn less than 10 dollars ,you know who are they.They are same indians or asians who take harmonium and sing on roads there.> > Anyhow All these karma concept is just useless ,to make people fool.> There is no choice in india.people or system will force you to bad karma.> I give one example if a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice.> regards> > > --- On Mon, 11/5/09, rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> wrote:> > > rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com>> Re: nadi and karma> To: > Monday, 11 May, 2009, 11:39 PM> > > > > Mr. Rajat,> > I think you don't know the realities in western countries. There are baggers and people living in tenements (slums in our lingo). In US there are people who just live with a few dollars a day (don't convert to our currency) think in their economy not in Indian context. For us Rs 100 a big amount like wise for them 10$ itself a huge amount. > > And, today because of their karmas (what you meant in you post) they are suffering now. > > Before you post kindly check the realilty and analyse what you going to post and then post please.> > , rajat as <asrajat@ > wrote:> >> > guys all this are bakwas,nadikarma etc etc,> > tell me one thing why all foreign guys are living well even though they are doing bad thing as per our religion .more over follow this policy> > satyug --satkarma> > treta-50 percent satkarma remaining> kukarma> > kalyug 100 percent kukarma if you wanna survive> > > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...> wrote:> > > > nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...>> > Re: Re: My expirience and a few Geniric Questions on Thiru Balasubramaniiam Centre> > > > Tuesday, 5 May, 2009, 11:12 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEAR MEMBERS > >  > > LET US DISCUSS ONE POINT. > > WHEN PRCDICTION GO WRONG , THEN DONT THE MAHARISHI MAKES BAD KARMA FOR GIVING FALSE HOPES AND MISLEADING THE DEVOTEES , WHO TAKE IMPORTANT DESCISION OF LIFE AS PER THEIR PREDICTION .> > WILL THE MAHARISHI NOT HAVE TO SUFFER DUE TO THIS BAD KARMA . BECOS LAW OF KARMA IS SAME> FOR EVERYBODY INCLUDING MAHARISHIS . > > BUT HERE WE CAN SAY ONE THING THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO REMOVE BAD KARMA .> > THAT IS WHY THEY KEEPM ON DOING BAD KARMA AND THEN REMOVE THEM BY POOJA NAD POWERS .> >  > > NITIN> > > >  > >                                             > > > >  > >                   > > > > > > > > ___,_._,__> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://beta. cricket.. com> >> > > > > Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition * Click here! > > > > Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! > > > > Own a website.Get an unlimited package.Pay next to nothing.* Click here!. > > > > Now surf faster and smarter ! 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Guest guest Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 Agastya Rishi wrote nadi leaves 3000 years ago. Its mentioned in my leaf that i had committed lot of bad karma in my past and because of that im suffering and after certain puja and remedy this bad karma will be dissolved. But 3000 years back Agastya rishi knew that in so and so incarnation i will be doing bad karma......it was destined to be that way...i was supposed to do bad things and later on in present incarnation i was destined to suffer bcos of wrong deeds..... its such a cliche. , vbdeshmukh <deshmukhv wrote: > > Yes, I agree with Shri Rajat.Naadi is a kind of record of your past karmas and thier fruits in this birth.Most of us would like to know what karmas ( duties )are lined up in the present birth. > Regds > VBD > > --- On Thu, 14/5/09, rajat as <asrajat wrote: > > > rajat as <asrajat > Re: Re: nadi and karma > > Thursday, 14 May, 2009, 8:15 PM > > > > > > Hi Hari > Anyhow discussion is over. > I would suggest that these topics should be allowed as karma is related to nadi. > regards > > --- On Thu, 14/5/09, harinomore <harinomore > wrote: > > > harinomore <harinomore > > Re: nadi and karma > > Thursday, 14 May, 2009, 5:20 PM > > > > > Hi Guys, > > Thank you for your contributions to the Naadi forum! However has this topic on krama is diverting away from the purpose of the forum we will no longer be accepting any post on it unless it is related back to naadi astrology. > > With Kind Regards > Hari > Moderator > > , rajat as <asrajat@ > wrote: > > > > hi rahul and prasanth, > > Thanks for your replies.I am concluding that intentions are important for karma to be categorized as good or Bad. > > One thing I would like to say that In Asian countries even though you have good intentions,little any one can do due to economy issues while in west they have choice to fulfiltheir intentions. > > > > Regards > > > > --- On Thu, 14/5/09, Siva Kumar <kumardarshy@ ...> wrote: > > > > Siva Kumar <kumardarshy@ ...> > > Re: Re: nadi and karma > > > > Thursday, 14 May, 2009, 10:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With my little understanding what I could say is, anyone can accumulate good karma, if doesn’t matter if you are rich or poor. A poor person can still generate positive karma and energy by praying or doing something that is not selfish. For example, if he sees a blind man on the road who is trying to cross the street and if he can help the blind man to cross the road he will earn good karma. He could do many thinks and earn good karma in life. Other example is, if he can think of god all the time and dedicate all his actions to god and not to have the bad qualities such as anger, jealousy, greed, envy and lust and love every human being and animals he will earn good > > karma. > >  > > I have been living and working in the Western world for about 30 years. The real wealth one has is not how much money he has, it is the inner happiness or the bliss that he/she has. Some of the rich people have more mental problems in life than the poor people (it’s hard to see from outside). > >  > > Coming back to Nadi, we read our ones when Mr Jai Shankar came to Sydney about 12 years ago. It’s Agastiyar Kandam and all what they said about the past was 100% correct. About the future, they were not specific so I would say it is about 60% correct. Jai Shankar is from Tamil Nadu but I was told there in Sri Lanka (in Colombo ) as well. > >  > > With Karma, I was told that we could change it to a smaller extent by performing good deeds. I was given an example, where you tie a cow with a rope to a pole. The cow has the freedom to move within the circle the rope could allow,  but it can’t move beyond that. So, with Karma also it is the same. By doing good deeds we could change it slightly. That may be one of the reasons why the future in the Nadi may not be 100% correct. > >  > > Regards, > > > > --- On Wed, 13/5/09, rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > > > > > rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > Re: Re: nadi and karma > > > > Received: Wednesday, 13 May, 2009, 3:08 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi rahul > > thanks for my reply but my question remains same > > if a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice to improve karma? > > > > --- On Tue, 12/5/09, rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in> wrote: > > > > > > rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in> > > Re: Re: nadi and karma > > > > Tuesday, 12 May, 2009, 10:32 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend , > >  > > I was addressing you with that context only. When i said he can do his best with whatever he has with him and can give whatever possible to him. When talking about karma ... we have to take lot of things into consideration. It is a collective karma. A person who is born to a poor man will be destined to be in a poor family ....... if he is destined to have comforts from his parents he will get it., if he is destined to make everything on his own... his soul will lead to that... and if his karma means that his birth will bring fortunes to his parents... he father will have luck on his side.. But all this will depend on the karma of other members of the family ... not just the bread earner. > >  > > I hope you got ... what i am trying to tell > >  > > regards > > raj > > > > --- On Tue, 12/5/09, rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > > > > > rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > Re: Re: nadi and karma > > > > Tuesday, 12 May, 2009, 3:31 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi rahul, > > Thanks for your mail.As i told earlier I am simply arguing without trying to hurt anyone. > > Lets leave the materialistic comfort even though you agree that they are better on this part. > > Now about other problems you have mentioned there,they exist in India also on the wider scale.Also I would like to get answer for this question.if a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice.?your karma is not in your hand as you can see from this example. > > > > Regards > > rajat > > > > --- On Tue, 12/5/09, rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in> wrote: > > > > > > rahul rai <volcano_hit@ .co. in> > > Re: Re: nadi and karma > > > > Tuesday, 12 May, 2009, 12:42 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hello mr rajat, > >  > > To karma just doesn't mean .... providing materialistic comforts to family members and then doing everything that one can to dominate or hurt someone in the family. Karma also means hving a good feeling and a desire to do all the right things possible. Suppose for example ... consider a man who earns millions and provides all the luxury... but ends up having many secret affairs without his wife's knowledge and cheating her from behind  is a bad karma as well. I dont understand why do you count material comforts as happiness. Money can buy lot of things... i know ... but in many cases it has limitation's as well. I dont know how many people are happy in U.S and U.K......... . I guess it is your assumption . As far as i know .... majority of them get divorcee every now and then..., break ups in family. Many of them even dont know who their father is.... teenage pregnancy... . abortion... drugs.. many love affairs and failures... > > depression, mentally disturbed... what not. If you count the amount of money spent on medication.. . you would know how pain they have.  Just having good infrastruction and better quality is not all that is important to life.... there are things beyond as well. > >  > > Normally we associate happiness to money ..... so when we look at people with enough money ...we think that ..... they are happy. > >  > > regards > > raj > > --- On Tue, 12/5/09, rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > > > > > rajat as <asrajat (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > Re: Re: nadi and karma > > > > Tuesday, 12 May, 2009, 10:24 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr dhinkarrajaram > > Thanks for your reply.My mail does not mean to hurt anyone.just to argue. > > I know the realities well for both USA and Europe Because I have been there but I am doubtful about you. > > And those few people who earn less than 10 dollars ,you know who are they.They are same indians or asians who take harmonium and sing on roads there. > > > > Anyhow All these karma concept is just useless ,to make people fool. > > There is no choice in india.people or system will force you to bad karma. > > I give one example if a person born in poor family due to his past karma,now in this life also he could not do good for his family because he is poor(because of last karma).Now his next life will be also bad because of bad karma in this life.so cycle repeats.where is the choice. > > regards > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/5/09, rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> > > Re: nadi and karma > > > > Monday, 11 May, 2009, 11:39 PM > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Rajat, > > > > I think you don't know the realities in western countries. There are baggers and people living in tenements (slums in our lingo). In US there are people who just live with a few dollars a day (don't convert to our currency) think in their economy not in Indian context. For us Rs 100 a big amount like wise for them 10$ itself a huge amount. > > > > And, today because of their karmas (what you meant in you post) they are suffering now. > > > > Before you post kindly check the realilty and analyse what you going to post and then post please. > > > > , rajat as <asrajat@ > wrote: > > > > > > guys all this are bakwas,nadikarma etc etc, > > > tell me one thing why all foreign guys are living well even though they are doing bad thing as per our religion .more over follow this policy > > > satyug --satkarma > > > treta-50 percent satkarma remaining > > kukarma > > > kalyug 100 percent kukarma if you wanna survive > > > > > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...> > > > Re: Re: My expirience and a few Geniric Questions on Thiru Balasubramaniiam Centre > > > > > > Tuesday, 5 May, 2009, 11:12 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEAR MEMBERS > > >  > > > LET US DISCUSS ONE POINT. > > > WHEN PRCDICTION GO WRONG , THEN DONT THE MAHARISHI MAKES BAD KARMA FOR GIVING FALSE HOPES AND MISLEADING THE DEVOTEES , WHO TAKE IMPORTANT DESCISION OF LIFE AS PER THEIR PREDICTION . > > > WILL THE MAHARISHI NOT HAVE TO SUFFER DUE TO THIS BAD KARMA . BECOS LAW OF KARMA IS SAME > > FOR EVERYBODY INCLUDING MAHARISHIS . > > > BUT HERE WE CAN SAY ONE THING THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO REMOVE BAD KARMA . > > > THAT IS WHY THEY KEEPM ON DOING BAD KARMA AND THEN REMOVE THEM BY POOJA NAD POWERS . > > >  > > > NITIN > > > > > >  > > >                     \                     \     > > > > > >  > > >                   > > > > > > > > > > > > ___,_._,__ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://beta. cricket.. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition * Click here! > > > > > > > > Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! > > > > > > > > Own a website.Get an unlimited package.Pay next to nothing.* Click here!. > > > > > > > > Now surf faster and smarter ! 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