What are the combinations for low self esteem?

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!Om Gurave Namah! Dear Friends and learneds, Namakar! Lately I have been trying to co-relate the people I know to what could be their Rasi and any planetary dominance. I came across some people who have low self confidence. These people are the masters of their trade but are unsuccessful On further thinking I realized that these people could be more successful if they had more confidence. I looked through various texts I have and I am thinking it has to do with the position and strength of Lagnesh. Can any of the gurus please shed light on this aspect? Warm regards, Pranav

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!Om Gurave Namah! Dear Rafal ji, Namaskar! Thank you for reply and pointing to the examples! I have a few questions: Can we co-relate success to low self esteem? Since I feel some of those people ( I will try and get the birth data) are experts in their own fields but I feel are denied succes dues to low self esteem. In jyotish we derive success from Raj yogas and I am unable to derive the co-relation. Any help in this regard will be appreciated. Can you highlight the possible remedies? What chapter in COVA? Warm regards, Pranav Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Sumanth , Namaskar Good point, weak Lagnesh is the basis here. Sanjayji mentiones also its conjunction with

Rahu for this in COVA. I find it working quite well, but if Paka Lagna is strong then it can also mean the native is arrogant, overconfident. So the first chart shows person with low self-esteem and the second is over-self-esteem.In both Paka yuti Rahu. May 24, 1985Time: 15:53:30Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)Place: 19 E 03' 10", 50 N 17' 10" June 24, 1983Time: 18:54:24Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)Place: 19 E 03' 10", 50 N 17' 10"You should also see that in first chart Lagnesh is in 12 from Surya, and its the house which Ravi hates the most (MKS). Dont think about big mental problems in first chart, altough Guru is badhakesh deb its exalted in D9 and Surya is in Kona to it. Regards, Rafal Gendarz,Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa.comsumanth krishna napisa³(a): I feel weak lagnesh, weak Sun. I also heard, ketu , and saturn's influence on lagna will aslo make them feel low. weak AK(soul level suffering)?? Learned members correct me if i am wrong sumanth Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal > wrote: [ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Pranav,Confidence must surely come

from Mars don't you think?Respectfully,Michal[ Om Namo Narayanaya ] Pranav Gupta <sushmagupta51@ >Thursday, March 29, 2007 12:25:25 PM[Om Krishna Guru] What are the combinations for low self esteem? !Om Gurave Namah! Dear Friends and learneds, Namakar! Lately I have been trying to co-relate the people I know to what could be their Rasi and any planetary dominance. I came across some people who have low self confidence. These people are the masters of their trade but are unsuccessful On further thinking I realized that these people could be more successful if they had more confidence. I looked through various texts I have and I am thinking it has to do with the position and strength of Lagnesh.

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[ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Rafal, I struggle to see your point sometimes, nevertheless...Selfconfiden ce is related to courage when taking a choice++So what is self-confidence when not "taking a choice"?Selfesteem is about how You treat Yourself- Arudha.++Why is how you treat yourself Arudha (that which can be seen, that which rises)? I thought how I treat myself is something more internal, and not necessarily anything anybody else knows about. For example, often people who commit suicide are said to be people you wouldn't expect to take their own lives. This shows a disparity between what people see on the outside and what is going on internally.More comments below...Respectfully,Michal[ Om Namo Narayanaya ] Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 8:29:35 AMRe: [Om Krishna Guru] What are the combinations for low self esteem?

 

 

 

II hraum namah adityaya II

 

Dear Michalji , Namaskar

 

 

comments under Your notes.

 

 

 

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[ Hare Rama Krsna ]

 

Dear Rafal,

 

Good point, weak Lagnesh is the

basis here.

 

Basis of what? Please qualify what it is you are

saying, I'm not going to take it as gospel truth. What are we looking

at here - self-esteem, or self-confidence? Look at the definitions of

these words.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Rafal]Selfconfiden ce is related to courage when taking a choice -

Lagna. Selfesteem is about how You treat Yourself - Arudha.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lagnesha and Paka is for looking at intelligence, Karaka is Jupiter.

Karaka of Lagna is Sun. Ability and courage is seen from the third

house, Karaka Mars. Self-esteem is taking pride (Sun) in oneself, and

confidence has to do with being able (Mars), so don't you think Mars

and Sun play a key role?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Rafal] Yes, they play but at level of mana, this is the work of

naisargik karaka, if Surya is debilitated then the ego was hurted many

times, while Mangal shows strength (satva) according to classics. Third

from Karakamsa shows things which You will fight for death. I had small

discusion about that with Sanjayji last year.++You say they play a role, but only at the level of Mana. But everything is happening in the mind of people so this is an important level to understand. Esteem, confidence, self-worth, pride, dignity - all of these are a state of mind. Look at some of these Yogi's who wear and own next to nothing and value what they have, whereas rich people can have so much and still be depressed. This is all due to how the person is thinking. So there is no point in brushing it of and saying that it is 'but at level of Mana'. What else is there? At level of Atma there is no differentiation.

 

 

 

 

 

For depression we look for Saturn's sambandha

with Moon. Shouldn't we see esteem and confidence from the Mana also?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Rafal] Yes, but at the second level. Therefore I put my example.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Regarding your example charts, I have a different take on them. The

first example has Saturn in AL with debilitated Jupiter in the 3rd from

AL. This person would feel defeated all the time, whereas the second

example has Lord of AL exalted and Mars, Sun, and Rahu in the 6th from

AL giving the ability to put up a good fight and win in most

sitautions. Look at Chandra also. In the first example Moon is

aspected by this debilitated Jupiter, and in the second example Moon

is aspected by the Sun, Mars and Rahu combination.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Rafal] Yes, but AL is too much extravertic here..the lifestyle has the

impact on one confidence and psychology but the important and vital

point is dosha in the internal factor itself. Therefore Lagnesh and

Kendra to Lagna.++Lagnesha if well placed gives a person intelligence, discernment, response instead of reaction, foresight, seeing the consequences of their actions. However if Saturn has sambandha with Moon then the person can still get depressed, no matter how well Lagnesha is placed. If it is well placed they will deal with the depression better then others perhaps, but nevertheless the depression will be there.In the same way a yoga like Kalasarpa can totally deny things in a person's life, even if Lagnesha is well placed. If Lagnesha is well placed then they can understand that it is their Karma and they carry on, but just because they can see it, doesn't stop it from happening.So, in the same way, confidence and self-esteem are not based on Lagnesha alone. They are feelings and emotions that are represented by the Graha's which interact with different

points that represent us - swamsa, and this includes paka, arudha, and navmasa lagnas etc. This has to be the case otherwise how could we discern between all the emotions and feelings it is possible to experience. How confident is a person? How nuturing is a person? How possesive is a person? How stressed is a person? How unique is a person? How dharmic is a person? How much does a person value life?All of these cannot be answered just by the state of the Lagna Lord can they? Because they are all represented by different Graha's.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hope there is more discussion on this.

 

Respectfully,

Michal

 

[ Om Namo Narayanaya ]

 

 

Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl>

 

Friday, March 30, 2007 1:11:17 AM

Re: [Om Krishna Guru] What are the combinations for low self

esteem?

 

 

 

 

II hraum namah adityaya II

 

Dear Sumanth , Namaskar

Good point, weak Lagnesh is the

basis here. Sanjayji mentiones also its conjunction with Rahu for this

in COVA. I find it working quite well, but if Paka Lagna is strong then

it can also mean the native is arrogant, overconfident. So the first

chart shows person with low self-esteem and the second is

over-self-esteem.

In both Paka yuti Rahu.

 

 

May 24, 1985

Time: 15:53:30

Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 19 E 03' 10", 50 N 17' 10"

 

 

 

June 24, 1983

Time: 18:54:24

Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 19 E 03' 10", 50 N 17' 10"

 

You should also

see that in first chart Lagnesh is in 12 from Surya, and its the house

which Ravi hates the most (MKS). Dont think about big mental problems

in first chart, altough Guru is badhakesh deb its exalted in D9 and

Surya is in Kona to it.

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz,

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www.rohinaa. com

 

 

 

 

sumanth krishna napisa³(a):

 

 

 

 

I feel weak lagnesh, weak Sun.

 

I also heard, ketu , and saturn's influence on lagna will aslo

make them feel low.

 

 

weak AK(soul level suffering)??

 

 

Learned members correct me if i am wrong

 

 

sumanth

 

 

Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal (AT) (DOT)

com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

[ Hare Rama Krsna ]

 

Dear Pranav,

 

Confidence must surely come from Mars don't you think?

 

Respectfully,

Michal

 

[ Om Namo Narayanaya ]

 

 

Pranav Gupta <sushmagupta51@ >

 

Thursday, March 29, 2007 12:25:25 PM

[Om Krishna Guru] What are the combinations for low self

esteem?

 

 

!Om Gurave Namah!

 

Dear Friends and learneds, Namakar!

 

Lately I have been trying to co-relate the people I know to

what could be their Rasi and any planetary dominance. I came across

some people who have low self confidence. These people are the masters

of their trade but are unsuccessful On further thinking I realized

that these people could be more successful if they had more confidence.

 

 

I looked through various texts I have and I am thinking it

has

to do with the position and strength of Lagnesh.

 

Can any of the gurus please shed light on this aspect?

 

Warm regards,

Pranav

 

 

 

 

 

 

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II hraum namah adityaya II

 

Dear  Michalji   , Namaskar

 

 

replies under.

 

 

 

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[ Hare Rama Krsna ]

 

Dear Rafal,

 

I struggle to see your point sometimes, nevertheless. ..

 

Selfconfiden ce is related to courage when taking a choice

 

++So what is self-confidence when not "taking a choice"?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[rafal] it can be seen like that. its not definition but how it can be

seen. selfconfident person is sure about success and about good choice.

all about Lagnesh.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Selfesteem is about how You treat Yourself- Arudha.

 

++Why is how you treat yourself Arudha (that which can be seen,

that which rises)?  I thought how I treat myself is something more

internal, and not necessarily anything anybody else knows about.  For

example, often people who commit suicide are said to be people you

wouldn't expect to take their own lives.  This shows a disparity

between what people see on the outside and what is going on internally.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[rafal] Arudha is how I can see myself, this is from JF book also.

Because of that it describes profession because If i think all the time

I am Jyotishi, I will become like that. Arudha can be also personal but

still tangible..its not contradictory, it also shows many points which

are in us, like UL in Taurus.. Good point about suicide.

 

 

 

 

 

More comments below...

 

Respectfully,

Michal

 

[ Om Namo Narayanaya ]

 

 

Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl>

 

Friday, March 30, 2007 8:29:35 AM

Re: [Om Krishna Guru] What are the combinations for low self

esteem?

 

 

 

 

II hraum namah adityaya II

 

Dear   Michalji  , Namaskar

comments under Your notes.

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz,

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& Articles:

 

www.rohinaa. com

 

 

 

 

Michal Dziwulski napisa³(a):

 

 

 

 

 

[ Hare Rama Krsna ]

 

Dear Rafal,

 

Good point, weak Lagnesh is the

basis here.

 

Basis of what?  Please qualify what it is you are

saying, I'm not going to take it as gospel truth.  What are we looking

at here - self-esteem, or self-confidence?  Look at the definitions of

these words.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Rafal]Selfconfiden ce is related to courage when taking a choice -

Lagna. Selfesteem is about how You treat Yourself - Arudha.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lagnesha and Paka is for looking at intelligence, Karaka is Jupiter. 

Karaka of Lagna is Sun.  Ability and courage is seen from the third

house, Karaka Mars.  Self-esteem is taking pride (Sun) in oneself, and

confidence has to do with being able (Mars), so don't you think Mars

and Sun play a key role?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Rafal] Yes, they play but at level of mana, this is the work of

naisargik karaka, if Surya is debilitated then the ego was hurted many

times, while Mangal shows strength (satva) according to classics. Third

from Karakamsa shows things which You will fight for death. I had small

discusion about that with Sanjayji last year.

 

++You say they play a role, but only at the level of

Mana.  But everything is happening in the mind of people so this is an

important level to understand.  Esteem, confidence, self-worth, pride,

dignity - all of these are a state of mind.  Look at some of these

Yogi's who wear and own next to nothing and value what they have,

whereas rich people can have so much and still be depressed.  This is

all due to how the person is thinking.  So there is no point in

brushing it of and saying that it is 'but at level of Mana'.  What else

is there?  At level of Atma there is no differentiation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[rafal] Im not saying thats its not worth to look at. Infact Surya and

Mangal are very important and Sanjayji in Serbia told me the same. Look

at Lagnesh for objective things, Mana can be very relative.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For depression we look for Saturn's

sambandha

with Moon.  Shouldn't we see esteem and confidence from the Mana also?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Rafal] Yes, but at the second level. Therefore I put my example.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Regarding your example charts, I have a different take on them.  The

first example has Saturn in AL with debilitated Jupiter in the 3rd from

AL.  This person would feel defeated all the time, whereas the second

example has Lord of AL exalted and Mars, Sun, and Rahu in the 6th from

AL giving the ability to put up a good fight and win in most

sitautions.  Look at Chandra also.  In the first example Moon is

aspected by  this debilitated Jupiter, and in the second example Moon

is aspected by the Sun, Mars and Rahu combination.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Rafal] Yes, but AL is too much extravertic here..the lifestyle has the

impact on one confidence and psychology but the important and vital

point is dosha in the internal factor itself. Therefore Lagnesh and

Kendra to Lagna.

 

++Lagnesha if well placed gives a person intelligence,

discernment, response instead of reaction, foresight, seeing the

consequences of their actions. 

However if Saturn has sambandha with Moon then the person can still get

depressed, no matter how well Lagnesha is placed.  If it is well placed

they will deal with the depression better then others perhaps, but

nevertheless the depression will be there.

In the same way a yoga like Kalasarpa can totally deny things in a

person's life, even if Lagnesha is well placed.  If Lagnesha is well

placed then they can understand that it is their Karma and they carry

on, but just because they can see it, doesn't stop it from happening.

So, in the same way, confidence and self-esteem are not based on

Lagnesha alone.  They are feelings and emotions that are represented by

the Graha's which interact with different points that represent us -

swamsa, and this includes paka, arudha, and navmasa lagnas etc.  This

has to be the case otherwise how could we discern between all the

emotions and feelings it is possible to experience. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[rafal] yes, agree that it comes from many points. still the Lagnesh

position is crucial because, He shows our strength to endure (like

Venus in Navamsa Lagna) and make us victorious, therefore miscelannous

Yoga's per Parasara have one condition which is common - strong Lagnesh.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How confident is a person?  How nuturing is a

person?  How possesive is a person?  How stressed is a person?  How

unique is a person?  How dharmic is a person?  How much does a person

value life?

All of these cannot be answered just by the state of the Lagna Lord can

they?  Because they are all represented by different Graha's.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[rafal] Confident-Lagnesh, Nurturing-Moon,Possesive-Mangal,

Stressed-Papakartari,Unique-Rahu,Dharmic-Jupiter in kona, Values-HL.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hope there is more discussion on this.

 

Respectfully,

Michal

 

[ Om Namo Narayanaya ]

 

 

Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl>

 

Friday, March 30, 2007 1:11:17 AM

Re: [Om Krishna Guru] What are the combinations for low self

esteem?

 

 

 

II hraum namah adityaya II

 

Dear  Sumanth   , Namaskar

Good point, weak Lagnesh is the

basis here. Sanjayji mentiones also its conjunction with Rahu for this

in COVA. I find it working quite well, but if Paka Lagna is strong then

it can also mean the native is arrogant, overconfident. So the first

chart shows person with low self-esteem and the second is

over-self-esteem.

In both Paka yuti Rahu.

 

 

Date:          May 24, 1985

Time:          15:53:30

Time Zone:     2:00:00 (East of GMT)

Place:         19 E 03' 10", 50 N 17' 10"

 

 

 

Date:          June 24, 1983

Time:          18:54:24

Time Zone:     2:00:00 (East of GMT)

Place:         19 E 03' 10", 50 N 17' 10"

 

You should also

see that in first chart Lagnesh is in 12 from Surya, and its the house

which Ravi hates the most (MKS). Dont think about big mental problems

in first chart, altough Guru is badhakesh deb its exalted in D9 and

Surya is in Kona to it.

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz,

Consultations

& Articles:

 

www.rohinaa. com

 

 

 

 

sumanth krishna napisa³(a):

 

 

 

 

I feel weak lagnesh, weak Sun.

 

I also heard, ketu , and saturn's influence on lagna will

aslo

make them feel low.

 

 

weak AK(soul level suffering)??

 

 

Learned members correct me if i am wrong

 

 

sumanth

 

 

Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal (AT) (DOT)

com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

[ Hare Rama Krsna ]

 

Dear Pranav,

 

Confidence must surely come from Mars don't you think?

 

Respectfully,

Michal

 

[ Om Namo Narayanaya ]

 

 

Pranav Gupta <sushmagupta51@ >

 

Thursday, March 29, 2007 12:25:25 PM

[Om Krishna Guru] What are the combinations for low self

esteem?

 

 

!Om Gurave Namah!

 

Dear Friends and learneds, Namakar!

 

Lately I have been trying to co-relate the people I know

to

what could be their Rasi and any planetary dominance. I came across

some people who have low self confidence. These people are the masters

of their trade but are unsuccessful  On further thinking I realized

that these people could be more successful if they had more confidence.

 

 

I looked through various texts I have and I am thinking it

has

to do with the position and strength of Lagnesh.

 

Can any of the gurus please shed light on this aspect?

 

Warm  regards,

Pranav

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Tarun Ji How can you feel low if you know that "feeling low" is subject to bad dasha ? And you are supposed to see this "bad dasha" ? Best Wishes Jagdish Singh Rawat ~Tarun~ <tarun.virgo wrote: Hello Michal, A feeling of

everything alright.,, a feeling of what he will do will come to success. according to me the self esteem comes from moon and sun. because self esteem is a mental state of person.not a mars state. Mars can be a fighter but moon governs emotions. A person with low self esteem can fight too...but do he feels low in himself.?? that comes from grief. When the person faces bad time then only he feels low. like if a person is beaten in front of people, or get prison or if his wife runs with someone else...........all these conditions makes one to feel low that he donot have respect in society.

that makes him to feel low. so you can co relate them with moon and sun's friendly planets and their enemies. now i guess you understand by wht i meant to say from human conditions and not with planet conditions. like in my case ...i was a very very confident boy, i was not to leave any thing without winning. but under bad dasha i got continuous state of defeat in each field...so then i now feel like low. . thats wht i meant to say. Regards Tarun - Michal Dziwulski Friday, March 30, 2007 1:43 AM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] What are the combinations for low self esteem? [ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Tarun,Then the question is, what causes success to then have confidence?Also, what do you mean by the following...?we shall think astrology in terms of human conditions not with planets conditons.do the Grahas not dictate terms?Respectfully,Michal[ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ~Tarun~ <tarun.virgo > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 7:29:58 PMRe: [Om Krishna Guru] What are the combinations for low self

esteem? hello pranav, confidence comes from success...only those person have low confidence when they face diffculties for a long time. for example .... when an elephant is a small or just born , it is tied with a rope and then the elephant trys to break the rope but he cant because he is child. and even when he is aged and have huge power to break the rope...even that time he is tied with a small rope....and the elephant dont breaks because his mind set is made that he is unable to break the rope. we shall think astrology in terms

of human conditions not with planets conditons. so......the confidence comes if the person gets success simultaneously. and vise versa. Regards Tarun - Michal Dziwulski Thursday, March 29, 2007 7:55 AM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] What are the combinations for low self esteem? [ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Pranav,Confidence must surely come from Mars don't you think?Respectfully,Michal[ Om Namo Narayanaya ] Pranav Gupta <sushmagupta51@ >Thursday, March 29, 2007 12:25:25 PM[Om Krishna Guru] What are the combinations for low self esteem? !Om Gurave Namah! Dear Friends and learneds, Namakar! Lately I have been trying to co-relate the people I know to what could be their Rasi and any planetary dominance. I came across some people who have low self confidence. These people are the masters of their trade but are unsuccessful On further thinking I realized that these people could be more successful if they had more confidence. I looked through various texts I have and I am thinking it has to do with the position and strength of Lagnesh. Can any of the gurus please shed light on this aspect? Warm regards, Pranav Don't be flakey. Get Mail for Mobile and always stay

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Dear Rafal Greetings You said, "UL in Tauraus" What does that mean ? Thanks JagdishMichal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote: [ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Rafal,It's much

clearer now thanks.Respectfully,Michal[ Om Namo Narayanaya ] Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 7:33:15 PMRe: [Om Krishna Guru] What are the combinations for low self esteem? II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Michalji , Namaskar replies under. Regards, Rafal Gendarz,Consultations &

Articles: www.rohinaa. comMichal Dziwulski napisa³(a): [ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Rafal, I struggle to see your point sometimes, nevertheless. ..Selfconfiden ce is related to courage when taking a choice++So what is self-confidence when not "taking a choice"?[rafal] it can be seen like that. its not definition but how it can be seen. selfconfident person is sure about success and about good choice. all about Lagnesh. Selfesteem is about how You treat Yourself- Arudha.++Why is how you treat yourself Arudha (that which can be seen, that which rises)? I thought how I treat myself is something more internal, and not necessarily anything anybody else knows about. For example, often people who commit suicide are said to be people you wouldn't expect to take their own lives. This shows a disparity between what people see on the outside and what is going on internally.[rafal] Arudha is how I can see myself, this is from JF book also. Because of that it describes profession because If i think all the time I am Jyotishi, I will become like that. Arudha can be also personal but still tangible..its not contradictory, it also shows many points which are in us, like UL in Taurus.. Good point about suicide. More comments below...Respectfully,Michal[ Om Namo Narayanaya ] Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl>Friday, March 30, 2007 8:29:35 AMRe: [Om Krishna Guru] What are the combinations for low self esteem? II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Michalji , Namaskar comments under Your notes. Regards, Rafal Gendarz,Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa. com Michal Dziwulski napisa³(a): [ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Rafal,Good point, weak Lagnesh is the basis here.Basis of what? Please qualify what it is you are saying, I'm not going to take it as gospel truth. What are we looking at here - self-esteem, or self-confidence? Look at the definitions of these words.[Rafal]Selfconfiden ce is related to courage when taking a choice - Lagna. Selfesteem is about how You treat Yourself - Arudha. Lagnesha and Paka is for looking at intelligence, Karaka is Jupiter. Karaka of Lagna is Sun. Ability and courage is seen from the third house, Karaka Mars. Self-esteem is taking pride (Sun) in oneself, and confidence has to do with being able (Mars), so don't you think Mars and Sun play a key

role?[Rafal] Yes, they play but at level of mana, this is the work of naisargik karaka, if Surya is debilitated then the ego was hurted many times, while Mangal shows strength (satva) according to classics. Third from Karakamsa shows things which You will fight for death. I had small discusion about that with Sanjayji last year.++You say they play a role, but only at the level of Mana. But everything is happening in the mind of people so this is an important level to understand. Esteem, confidence, self-worth, pride, dignity - all of these are a state of mind. Look at some of these Yogi's who wear and own next to nothing and value what they have, whereas rich people can have so much and still be depressed. This is all due to how the person is thinking. So there is no point in brushing it of and saying that it is 'but at level of Mana'. What else

is there? At level of Atma there is no differentiation.[rafal] Im not saying thats its not worth to look at. Infact Surya and Mangal are very important and Sanjayji in Serbia told me the same. Look at Lagnesh for objective things, Mana can be very relative. For depression we look for Saturn's sambandha with Moon. Shouldn't we see esteem and confidence from the Mana also?[Rafal] Yes, but at the second level. Therefore I put my example. Regarding your example charts, I have a different take on them. The first example has Saturn in AL with debilitated Jupiter in the 3rd from

AL. This person would feel defeated all the time, whereas the second example has Lord of AL exalted and Mars, Sun, and Rahu in the 6th from AL giving the ability to put up a good fight and win in most sitautions. Look at Chandra also. In the first example Moon is aspected by this debilitated Jupiter, and in the second example Moon is aspected by the Sun, Mars and Rahu combination.[Rafal] Yes, but AL is too much extravertic here..the lifestyle has the impact on one confidence and psychology but the important and vital point is dosha in the internal factor itself. Therefore Lagnesh and Kendra to Lagna.++Lagnesha if well placed gives a person intelligence, discernment, response instead of reaction, foresight, seeing the consequences of their actions. However if Saturn has sambandha with Moon then the person can still get depressed, no matter how well

Lagnesha is placed. If it is well placed they will deal with the depression better then others perhaps, but nevertheless the depression will be there.In the same way a yoga like Kalasarpa can totally deny things in a person's life, even if Lagnesha is well placed. If Lagnesha is well placed then they can understand that it is their Karma and they carry on, but just because they can see it, doesn't stop it from happening.So, in the same way, confidence and self-esteem are not based on Lagnesha alone. They are feelings and emotions that are represented by the Graha's which interact with different points that represent us - swamsa, and this includes paka, arudha, and navmasa lagnas etc. This has to be the case otherwise how could we discern between all the emotions and feelings it is possible to experience. [rafal] yes, agree that it comes from many points. still

the Lagnesh position is crucial because, He shows our strength to endure (like Venus in Navamsa Lagna) and make us victorious, therefore miscelannous Yoga's per Parasara have one condition which is common - strong Lagnesh. How confident is a person? How nuturing is a person? How possesive is a person? How stressed is a person? How unique is a person? How dharmic is a person? How much does a person value life?All of these cannot be answered just by the state of the Lagna Lord can they? Because they are all represented by different Graha's.[rafal] Confident-Lagnesh, Nurturing-Moon, Possesive- Mangal, Stressed-Papakartar i,Unique- Rahu,Dharmic- Jupiter in kona, Values-HL. I hope there is more discussion on this.Respectfully,Michal[ Om Namo Narayanaya ] Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl>Friday, March 30, 2007 1:11:17 AMRe: [Om Krishna Guru] What are the combinations for low self esteem? II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Sumanth , Namaskar Good point, weak Lagnesh is the basis here. Sanjayji mentiones also its conjunction with Rahu for this in COVA. I find it working quite well, but if Paka Lagna is strong then it can also mean the native is arrogant, overconfident. So the first chart shows person with low self-esteem and the second is over-self-esteem.In both Paka yuti Rahu. May 24, 1985Time: 15:53:30Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)Place: 19 E 03' 10", 50 N 17' 10" June 24, 1983Time: 18:54:24Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)Place: 19 E 03' 10", 50 N 17' 10"You should also see that in first chart Lagnesh is in 12 from Surya, and its the house which Ravi hates the most (MKS). Dont think about big mental problems in first chart, altough Guru is badhakesh deb its exalted in D9 and Surya is in Kona to it. Regards, Rafal Gendarz,Consultations

& Articles: www.rohinaa. com sumanth krishna napisa³(a): I feel weak lagnesh, weak Sun. I also heard, ketu , and saturn's influence on lagna will aslo make them feel low. weak AK(soul level suffering)?? Learned members correct me if i am wrong sumanth Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal > wrote: [ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Pranav,Confidence must surely come from Mars don't you think?Respectfully,Michal[ Om Namo Narayanaya

] Pranav Gupta <sushmagupta51@ >Thursday, March 29, 2007 12:25:25 PM[Om Krishna Guru] What are the combinations for low self esteem? !Om Gurave Namah! Dear Friends and learneds, Namakar! Lately I have been trying to co-relate the people I know to what could be their Rasi and any planetary dominance. I came across some people who have low self confidence. These people are the masters of their trade but are unsuccessful On further thinking I realized that these people could be more successful if they had more confidence. I looked through various texts I have and I am thinking it has to do with the position and strength of Lagnesh. Can any of the gurus please shed light on this

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Dear Michal,

i have few thoughts to share on this and hope you`ll put a comment on

them(i don`t mind zen).

If we take self esteem as an absolute category, not related to

anything (acchievements, aims...) then the Sun being the Self has the

final word. The perfect state of the self is-i am what i am (ideal

self esteemation) and this is the light of the Sun. Now, the

perception of this will depend on Moon`s (mind`s) capability to

reflect the self, so we can say that pakshbal will have great

importance here.

If we want to know what is the person`s perception of himself related

to some activity, area of life, then we should judge the position

from the Moon...

Warm regards,

Tijana

 

 

, Michal Dziwulski

<nearmichal wrote:

>

> [ Hare Rama Krsna ]

>

> Dear Pranav,

>

> Sometimes a lot can be said by saying nothing.

>

> Zenfully,

> Michal

>

> [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]

>

>

> Pranav Gupta <sushmagupta51

>

> Saturday, March 31, 2007 2:03:19 AM

> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] What are the combinations for low

self esteem?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

!Om Gurave Namah!

> Dear Rafal ji and Michal ji, Namaskar!

>

> Self confidence is also about speech, because that is one way the

world sees the native as a self confident person. The native might

be a confident person but if person cannot express himself then half

the battle is lost.

>

> Any thoughts?

>

> Warm regards,

> Pranav

>

> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> wrote:

> II hraum namah adityaya II

> Dear Michalji , Namaskar

>

> replies under.

>

>

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz,

> Consultations & Articles:

>

> www.rohinaa. com

>

>

>

>

> Michal Dziwulski napisa³(a): [ Hare Rama Krsna ]

>

> Dear Rafal,

>

> I struggle to see your point sometimes, nevertheless. ..

>

> Selfconfiden ce is related to courage when taking a choice

>

> ++So what is self-confidence when not " taking a choice " ?

>

>

>

>

>

> [rafal] it can be seen like that. its not definition but

> how it can be seen. selfconfident person is sure about success and

about good choice. all about Lagnesh.

>

> Selfesteem is about how You treat Yourself- Arudha.

>

> ++Why is how you treat yourself Arudha (that which can be seen,

that which rises)? I thought how I treat myself is something more

internal, and not necessarily anything anybody else knows about. For

example, often people who commit suicide are said to be people you

wouldn't expect to take their own lives. This shows a disparity

between what people see on the outside and what is going on

internally.

[rafal] Arudha is how I can see myself, this is from JF book also.

Because of that it describes profession because If i think all the

time I am Jyotishi, I will become like that.

> Arudha can be also personal but still tangible..its not

contradictory, it also shows many points which are in us, like UL in

Taurus.. Good point about suicide.

> More comments below...

>

> Respectfully,

> Michal

>

> [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]

>

>

> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl>

>

> Friday, March 30, 2007 8:29:35 AM

> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] What are the combinations for low

self esteem?

>

>

> II hraum namah adityaya II

> Dear Michalji , Namaskar

>

> comments under Your notes.

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Rafal Gendarz,

> Consultations & Articles:

>

> www.rohinaa. com

>

>

>

>

> Michal Dziwulski napisa³(a): [ Hare Rama Krsna ]

>

> Dear Rafal,

>

> Good point, weak Lagnesh is the basis here.

>

> Basis of what? Please qualify what it is you are saying, I'm not

going to take it as gospel truth. What are we looking at here - self-

esteem, or self-confidence? Look at the definitions of these words.

>

>

>

>

>

> [Rafal]Selfconfiden ce is related to courage when taking a choice -

Lagna. Selfesteem is about how You treat Yourself - Arudha.

>

> Lagnesha and Paka is for looking at intelligence, Karaka is

Jupiter. Karaka

> of Lagna is Sun. Ability and courage is seen from the third

house, Karaka Mars. Self-esteem is taking pride (Sun) in oneself,

and confidence has to do with being able (Mars), so don't you think

Mars and Sun play a key role?

[Rafal] Yes, they play but at level of mana, this is the work of

naisargik karaka, if Surya is debilitated then the ego was hurted

many times, while Mangal shows strength (satva) according to

classics. Third from Karakamsa shows things which You will fight for

death. I had small discusion about that with Sanjayji last year.

>

> ++You say they play a role, but only at the level of Mana. But

everything is happening in the mind of people so this is an important

level to understand. Esteem, confidence, self-worth, pride, dignity -

all of these are a state of mind. Look at some of these Yogi's who

wear and own next to nothing and value what

> they have, whereas rich people can have so much and still be

depressed. This is all due to how the person is thinking. So there

is no point in brushing it of and saying that it is 'but at level of

Mana'. What else is there? At level of Atma there is no

differentiation.

>

>

[rafal] Im not saying thats its not worth to look at. Infact Surya

and Mangal are very important and Sanjayji in Serbia told me the

same. Look at Lagnesh for objective things, Mana can be very relative.

> For depression we look for Saturn's

sambandha with Moon. Shouldn't we see esteem and confidence from the

Mana

> also?

>

>

>

>

>

> [Rafal] Yes, but at the second level. Therefore I put my example.

>

> Regarding your example charts, I have a different take on them.

The first example has Saturn in AL with debilitated Jupiter in the

3rd from AL. This person would feel defeated all the time, whereas

the second example has Lord of AL exalted and Mars, Sun, and Rahu in

the 6th from AL giving the ability to put up a good fight and win in

most sitautions. Look at Chandra also. In the first example Moon is

aspected by this debilitated Jupiter, and in the second example Moon

is aspected by the Sun, Mars and Rahu combination.

>

>

>

>

>

> [Rafal] Yes, but AL is too much extravertic here..the lifestyle has

the impact on one confidence and psychology but the important and

vital

> point is dosha in the internal factor itself. Therefore Lagnesh

and Kendra to Lagna.

>

> ++Lagnesha if well placed gives a person intelligence, discernment,

response instead of reaction, foresight, seeing the consequences of

their actions.

> However if Saturn has sambandha with Moon then the person can still

get depressed, no matter how well Lagnesha is placed. If it is well

placed they will deal with the depression better then others perhaps,

but nevertheless the depression will be there.

> In the same way a yoga like Kalasarpa can totally deny things in a

person's life, even if Lagnesha is well placed. If Lagnesha is well

placed then they can understand that it is their Karma and they carry

on, but just because they can see it, doesn't stop it from happening.

> So, in the same way, confidence and self-esteem are not based on

Lagnesha alone. They are feelings and emotions that are represented

by the Graha's which interact with

> different points that represent us - swamsa, and this includes

paka, arudha, and navmasa lagnas etc. This has to be the case

otherwise how could we discern between all the emotions and feelings

it is possible to experience.

>

>

[rafal] yes, agree that it comes from many points. still the

Lagnesh position is crucial because, He shows our strength to endure

(like Venus in Navamsa Lagna) and make us victorious, therefore

miscelannous Yoga's per Parasara have one condition which is common -

strong Lagnesh.

> How confident is a person? How nuturing is a

person? How possesive is a person? How stressed is a person? How

unique is a person? How dharmic is a person? How much does a person

value life?

> All of these

> cannot be answered just by the state of the Lagna Lord can they?

Because they are all represented by different Graha's.

>

[rafal] Confident-Lagnesh, Nurturing-Moon, Possesive- Mangal,

Stressed-Papakartar i,Unique- Rahu,Dharmic- Jupiter in kona, Values-

HL.

>

>

> I hope there is more discussion on this.

>

> Respectfully,

> Michal

>

> [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]

>

>

> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl>

>

> Friday, March 30, 2007 1:11:17 AM

> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] What are the combinations for low

self esteem?

>

>

> II hraum namah adityaya II

> Dear Sumanth , Namaskar

>

> Good point, weak Lagnesh is the basis here. Sanjayji mentiones also

its conjunction with Rahu for this in COVA. I find it working quite

well, but if Paka Lagna is strong then it can also mean the native is

arrogant, overconfident. So the first chart shows person with low

self-esteem and the second is over-self-esteem.

> In both Paka yuti Rahu.

>

>

> May 24, 1985

> Time: 15:53:30

> Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)

> Place: 19 E 03' 10 " , 50 N 17' 10 "

>

>

>

> June 24, 1983

> Time: 18:54:24

> Time

> Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)

> Place: 19 E 03' 10 " , 50 N 17' 10 "

>

> You should also see that in first chart Lagnesh is in 12 from

Surya, and its the house which Ravi hates the most (MKS). Dont think

about big mental problems in first chart, altough Guru is badhakesh

deb its exalted in D9 and Surya is in Kona to it.

>

>

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz,

> Consultations & Articles:

>

> www.rohinaa. com

>

>

>

>

> sumanth krishna napisa³(a): I feel weak lagnesh, weak Sun.

>

> I also heard, ketu , and saturn's influence on lagna will aslo

make them feel low.

>

>

> weak AK(soul level suffering)??

>

>

>

> Learned members correct me if i am wrong

>

>

> sumanth

>

>

> Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal > wrote:

> [ Hare Rama Krsna ]

>

> Dear Pranav,

>

> Confidence must surely come from Mars don't you think?

>

> Respectfully,

> Michal

>

> [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]

>

>

> Pranav Gupta <sushmagupta51@ >

>

> Thursday, March 29, 2007 12:25:25 PM

> [Om Krishna Guru] What are the combinations for low self

esteem?

>

> !Om Gurave Namah!

>

> Dear Friends and learneds, Namakar!

>

> Lately I have been trying to co-relate the people I know to what

could be their Rasi and any planetary dominance. I

> came across some people who have low self confidence. These people

are the masters of their trade but are unsuccessful On further

thinking I realized that these people could be more successful if

they had more confidence.

>

> I looked through various texts I have and I am thinking it has to

do with the position and strength of Lagnesh.

>

> Can any of the gurus please shed light on this aspect?

>

> Warm regards,

> Pranav

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Dear Michal,

You gave an interesting example but I don`t know will it give us the

answer to the first question that was raised here.

Prince Charles has Sun in AL but this Sun is AK and it confirms his

royal background. In the lecture on marriage Pt. Sanjay Rath

explained that Venus who conjoins this Sun in AL and aspects the A7

in the second from the UL spoiled his image in the world. Name and

fame come from lagna and lagna lord Chandra conjoins Rahu who lords

the UL and this also gave Prince Charles bad reputation. This

interpretation of the Sun and AL you are pointing at is very well for

determing the image a person has in the world, but it doesn`t have to

be the same as the person`s oppinion of himself. I`ll give a simple

example for this-many people who were rejected or condemned by the

world still had a great opininon of themselves, don`t you think so?

Warm regards,

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, Michal Dziwulski

<nearmichal wrote:

>

> [ Hare Rama Krsna ]

>

> Dear Tijana,

>

> When we talk of self-esteem we are talking about pride with

reference to the self. Both pride and the self are signifyed by the

Sun, so I would see self-esteem from the position of the Sun and its

strength etc. Though Rafal believes it should be seen from the Lagna

Lord.

>

> Then we have to judge this from all the perspectives - Lagna,

Arudha Lagna, Karakamsa, Moon etc. to see how this self-esteem will

affect things in a person's life.

>

> For example, a weak Sun associated with AL will show a person whose

image is associated with issues of self-worth, self-esteem, and lack

of pride. Look at the chart of Prince Charles, he has debilitated

Sun in the Arudha Lagna. What do you think?

>

> Respectfully,

> Michal

>

> [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]

>

>

>

>

> nix_nixen <nix_nixen

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> Sunday, April 1, 2007 11:09:09 PM

> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: What are the combinations for low

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>

>

>

>

Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Michal,

>

> i have few thoughts to share on this and hope you`ll put a comment

on

>

> them(i don`t mind zen).

>

> If we take self esteem as an absolute category, not related to

>

> anything (acchievements, aims...) then the Sun being the Self has

the

>

> final word. The perfect state of the self is-i am what i am (ideal

>

> self esteemation) and this is the light of the Sun. Now, the

>

> perception of this will depend on Moon`s (mind`s) capability to

>

> reflect the self, so we can say that pakshbal will have great

>

> importance here.

>

> If we want to know what is the person`s perception of himself

related

>

> to some activity, area of life, then we should judge the position

>

> from the Moon...

>

> Warm regards,

>

> Tijana

>

>

>

> , Michal Dziwulski

>

> <nearmichal@ ...> wrote:

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> >

>

> > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]

>

> >

>

> > Dear Pranav,

>

> >

>

> > Sometimes a lot can be said by saying nothing.

>

> >

>

> > Zenfully,

>

> > Michal

>

> >

>

> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Pranav Gupta <sushmagupta51@ ...>

>

> >

>

> > Saturday, March 31, 2007 2:03:19 AM

>

> > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] What are the combinations for low

>

> self esteem?

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> > !Om Gurave Namah!

>

> > Dear Rafal ji and Michal ji, Namaskar!

>

> >

>

> > Self confidence is also about speech, because that is one way

the

>

> world sees the native as a self confident person. The native might

>

> be a confident person but if person cannot express himself then

half

>

> the battle is lost.

>

> >

>

> > Any thoughts?

>

> >

>

> > Warm regards,

>

> > Pranav

>

> >

>

> > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> wrote:

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> > II hraum namah adityaya II

>

> > Dear Michalji , Namaskar

>

> >

>

> > replies under.

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> >

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> >

>

> > Regards,

>

> > Rafal Gendarz,

>

> > Consultations & Articles:

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> > www.rohinaa. com

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> >

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> > Michal Dziwulski napisa³(a): [ Hare Rama Krsna ]

>

> >

>

> > Dear Rafal,

>

> >

>

> > I struggle to see your point sometimes, nevertheless. ..

>

> >

>

> > Selfconfiden ce is related to courage when taking a choice

>

> >

>

> > ++So what is self-confidence when not " taking a choice " ?

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

>

> > [rafal] it can be seen like that. its not definition but

>

> > how it can be seen. selfconfident person is sure about success

and

>

> about good choice. all about Lagnesh.

>

> >

>

> > Selfesteem is about how You treat Yourself- Arudha.

>

> >

>

> > ++Why is how you treat yourself Arudha (that which can be seen,

>

> that which rises)? I thought how I treat myself is something more

>

> internal, and not necessarily anything anybody else knows about.

For

>

> example, often people who commit suicide are said to be people you

>

> wouldn't expect to take their own lives. This shows a disparity

>

> between what people see on the outside and what is going on

>

> internally.

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> > [rafal] Arudha is how I can see myself, this is from JF book

also.

>

> Because of that it describes profession because If i think all the

>

> time I am Jyotishi, I will become like that.

>

> > Arudha can be also personal but still tangible..its not

>

> contradictory, it also shows many points which are in us, like UL

in

>

> Taurus.. Good point about suicide.

>

> > More comments below...

>

> >

>

> > Respectfully,

>

> > Michal

>

> >

>

> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl>

>

> >

>

> > Friday, March 30, 2007 8:29:35 AM

>

> > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] What are the combinations for low

>

> self esteem?

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > II hraum namah adityaya II

>

> > Dear Michalji , Namaskar

>

> >

>

> > comments under Your notes.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Regards,

>

> >

>

> > Rafal Gendarz,

>

> > Consultations & Articles:

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> >

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> > www.rohinaa. com

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> > Michal Dziwulski napisa³(a): [ Hare Rama Krsna ]

>

> >

>

> > Dear Rafal,

>

> >

>

> > Good point, weak Lagnesh is the basis here.

>

> >

>

> > Basis of what? Please qualify what it is you are saying, I'm not

>

> going to take it as gospel truth. What are we looking at here -

self-

>

> esteem, or self-confidence? Look at the definitions of these words.

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> > [Rafal]Selfconfiden ce is related to courage when taking a

choice -

>

> Lagna. Selfesteem is about how You treat Yourself - Arudha.

>

> >

>

> > Lagnesha and Paka is for looking at intelligence, Karaka is

>

> Jupiter. Karaka

>

> > of Lagna is Sun. Ability and courage is seen from the third

>

> house, Karaka Mars. Self-esteem is taking pride (Sun) in oneself,

>

> and confidence has to do with being able (Mars), so don't you think

>

> Mars and Sun play a key role?

>

> >

>

> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

>

> > [Rafal] Yes, they play but at level of mana, this is the work of

>

> naisargik karaka, if Surya is debilitated then the ego was hurted

>

> many times, while Mangal shows strength (satva) according to

>

> classics. Third from Karakamsa shows things which You will fight

for

>

> death. I had small discusion about that with Sanjayji last year.

>

> >

>

> > ++You say they play a role, but only at the level of Mana. But

>

> everything is happening in the mind of people so this is an

important

>

> level to understand. Esteem, confidence, self-worth, pride,

dignity -

>

> all of these are a state of mind. Look at some of these Yogi's

who

>

> wear and own next to nothing and value what

>

> > they have, whereas rich people can have so much and still be

>

> depressed. This is all due to how the person is thinking. So

there

>

> is no point in brushing it of and saying that it is 'but at level

of

>

> Mana'. What else is there? At level of Atma there is no

>

> differentiation.

>

> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

>

> > [rafal] Im not saying thats its not worth to look at. Infact

Surya

>

> and Mangal are very important and Sanjayji in Serbia told me the

>

> same. Look at Lagnesh for objective things, Mana can be very

relative.

>

> > For depression we look for Saturn's

>

> sambandha with Moon. Shouldn't we see esteem and confidence from

the

>

> Mana

>

> > also?

>

> >

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> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > [Rafal] Yes, but at the second level. Therefore I put my example.

>

> >

>

> > Regarding your example charts, I have a different take on them.

>

> The first example has Saturn in AL with debilitated Jupiter in the

>

> 3rd from AL. This person would feel defeated all the time, whereas

>

> the second example has Lord of AL exalted and Mars, Sun, and Rahu

in

>

> the 6th from AL giving the ability to put up a good fight and win

in

>

> most sitautions. Look at Chandra also. In the first example Moon

is

>

> aspected by this debilitated Jupiter, and in the second example

Moon

>

> is aspected by the Sun, Mars and Rahu combination.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > [Rafal] Yes, but AL is too much extravertic here..the lifestyle

has

>

> the impact on one confidence and psychology but the important and

>

> vital

>

> > point is dosha in the internal factor itself. Therefore Lagnesh

>

> and Kendra to Lagna.

>

> >

>

> > ++Lagnesha if well placed gives a person intelligence,

discernment,

>

> response instead of reaction, foresight, seeing the consequences of

>

> their actions.

>

> > However if Saturn has sambandha with Moon then the person can

still

>

> get depressed, no matter how well Lagnesha is placed. If it is

well

>

> placed they will deal with the depression better then others

perhaps,

>

> but nevertheless the depression will be there.

>

> > In the same way a yoga like Kalasarpa can totally deny things in

a

>

> person's life, even if Lagnesha is well placed. If Lagnesha is

well

>

> placed then they can understand that it is their Karma and they

carry

>

> on, but just because they can see it, doesn't stop it from

happening.

>

> > So, in the same way, confidence and self-esteem are not based on

>

> Lagnesha alone. They are feelings and emotions that are

represented

>

> by the Graha's which interact with

>

> > different points that represent us - swamsa, and this includes

>

> paka, arudha, and navmasa lagnas etc. This has to be the case

>

> otherwise how could we discern between all the emotions and

feelings

>

> it is possible to experience.

>

> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

>

> >

>

> > [rafal] yes, agree that it comes from many points. still the

>

> Lagnesh position is crucial because, He shows our strength to

endure

>

> (like Venus in Navamsa Lagna) and make us victorious, therefore

>

> miscelannous Yoga's per Parasara have one condition which is

common -

>

> strong Lagnesh.

>

> > How confident is a person? How nuturing is a

>

> person? How possesive is a person? How stressed is a person? How

>

> unique is a person? How dharmic is a person? How much does a

person

>

> value life?

>

> > All of these

>

> > cannot be answered just by the state of the Lagna Lord can

they?

>

> Because they are all represented by different Graha's.

>

> >

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> >

>

> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

>

> > [rafal] Confident-Lagnesh, Nurturing-Moon, Possesive- Mangal,

>

> Stressed-Papakartar i,Unique- Rahu,Dharmic- Jupiter in kona, Values-

>

> HL.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > I hope there is more discussion on this.

>

> >

>

> > Respectfully,

>

> > Michal

>

> >

>

> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl>

>

> >

>

> > Friday, March 30, 2007 1:11:17 AM

>

> > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] What are the combinations for low

>

> self esteem?

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > II hraum namah adityaya II

>

> > Dear Sumanth , Namaskar

>

> >

>

> > Good point, weak Lagnesh is the basis here. Sanjayji mentiones

also

>

> its conjunction with Rahu for this in COVA. I find it working quite

>

> well, but if Paka Lagna is strong then it can also mean the native

is

>

> arrogant, overconfident. So the first chart shows person with low

>

> self-esteem and the second is over-self-esteem.

>

> > In both Paka yuti Rahu.

>

> >

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> >

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> > May 24, 1985

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> > Time

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> > Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)

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> > Place: 19 E 03' 10 " , 50 N 17' 10 "

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> >

>

> > You should also see that in first chart Lagnesh is in 12 from

>

> Surya, and its the house which Ravi hates the most (MKS). Dont

think

>

> about big mental problems in first chart, altough Guru is badhakesh

>

> deb its exalted in D9 and Surya is in Kona to it.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Regards,

>

> > Rafal Gendarz,

>

> > Consultations & Articles:

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> > www.rohinaa. com

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

>

> > sumanth krishna napisa³(a): I feel weak lagnesh, weak

Sun.

>

> >

>

> > I also heard, ketu , and saturn's influence on lagna will aslo

>

> make them feel low.

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> >

>

> >

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> > weak AK(soul level suffering)??

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> >

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> > Learned members correct me if i am wrong

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> >

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> >

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> > sumanth

>

> >

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> >

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> > Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal> wrote:

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> > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]

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> >

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> > Dear Pranav,

>

> >

>

> > Confidence must surely come from Mars don't you think?

>

> >

>

> > Respectfully,

>

> > Michal

>

> >

>

> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Pranav Gupta <sushmagupta51@ >

>

> >

>

> > Thursday, March 29, 2007 12:25:25 PM

>

> > [Om Krishna Guru] What are the combinations for low self

>

> esteem?

>

> >

>

> > !Om Gurave Namah!

>

> >

>

> > Dear Friends and learneds, Namakar!

>

> >

>

> > Lately I have been trying to co-relate the people I know to

what

>

> could be their Rasi and any planetary dominance. I

>

> > came across some people who have low self confidence. These

people

>

> are the masters of their trade but are unsuccessful On further

>

> thinking I realized that these people could be more successful if

>

> they had more confidence.

>

> >

>

> > I looked through various texts I have and I am thinking it has

to

>

> do with the position and strength of Lagnesh.

>

> >

>

> > Can any of the gurus please shed light on this aspect?

>

> >

>

> > Warm regards,

>

> > Pranav

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II hraum namah adityaya II

 

Dear Tijana , Namaskar

 

 

Planet in AL shows HOW ONE SEE'S ONESELF(not only what others see),

therefore its crucial in seeing one's selfesteem.

 

 

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz,

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& Articles:

 

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nix_nixen napisał(a):

 

 

 

 

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Michal,

You gave an interesting example but I don`t know will it give us the

answer to the first question that was raised here.

Prince Charles has Sun in AL but this Sun is AK and it confirms his

royal background. In the lecture on marriage Pt. Sanjay Rath

explained that Venus who conjoins this Sun in AL and aspects the A7

in the second from the UL spoiled his image in the world. Name and

fame come from lagna and lagna lord Chandra conjoins Rahu who lords

the UL and this also gave Prince Charles bad reputation. This

interpretation of the Sun and AL you are pointing at is very well for

determing the image a person has in the world, but it doesn`t have to

be the same as the person`s oppinion of himself. I`ll give a simple

example for this-many people who were rejected or condemned by the

world still had a great opininon of themselves, don`t you think so?

Warm regards,

Tijana

 

@

. com, Michal Dziwulski

<nearmichal@ ...> wrote:

>

> [ Hare Rama Krsna ]

>

> Dear Tijana,

>

> When we talk of self-esteem we are talking about pride with

reference to the self. Both pride and the self are signifyed by the

Sun, so I would see self-esteem from the position of the Sun and its

strength etc. Though Rafal believes it should be seen from the Lagna

Lord.

>

> Then we have to judge this from all the perspectives - Lagna,

Arudha Lagna, Karakamsa, Moon etc. to see how this self-esteem will

affect things in a person's life.

>

> For example, a weak Sun associated with AL will show a person

whose

image is associated with issues of self-worth, self-esteem, and lack

of pride. Look at the chart of Prince Charles, he has debilitated

Sun in the Arudha Lagna. What do you think?

>

> Respectfully,

> Michal

>

> [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]

>

>

>

>

> nix_nixen <nix_nixen@. ..>

> @

. com

> Sunday, April 1, 2007 11:09:09 PM

> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: What are the combinations for low

self esteem?

>

>

>

>

>

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>

>

>

>

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Michal,

>

> i have few thoughts to share on this and hope you`ll put a comment

 

on

>

> them(i don`t mind zen).

>

> If we take self esteem as an absolute category, not related to

>

> anything (acchievements, aims...) then the Sun being the Self has

the

>

> final word. The perfect state of the self is-i am what i am (ideal

 

>

> self esteemation) and this is the light of the Sun. Now, the

>

> perception of this will depend on Moon`s (mind`s) capability to

>

> reflect the self, so we can say that pakshbal will have great

>

> importance here.

>

> If we want to know what is the person`s perception of himself

related

>

> to some activity, area of life, then we should judge the position

>

> from the Moon...

>

> Warm regards,

>

> Tijana

>

>

>

> , Michal Dziwulski

>

> <nearmichal@ ...> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]

>

> >

>

> > Dear Pranav,

>

> >

>

> > Sometimes a lot can be said by saying nothing.

>

> >

>

> > Zenfully,

>

> > Michal

>

> >

>

> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Pranav Gupta <sushmagupta51@ ...>

>

> >

>

> > Saturday, March 31, 2007 2:03:19 AM

>

> > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] What are the combinations for

low

>

> self esteem?

>

> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

>

> > !Om Gurave Namah!

>

> > Dear Rafal ji and Michal ji, Namaskar!

>

> >

>

> > Self confidence is also about speech, because that is one way

 

the

>

> world sees the native as a self confident person. The native might

 

>

> be a confident person but if person cannot express himself then

half

>

> the battle is lost.

>

> >

>

> > Any thoughts?

>

> >

>

> > Warm regards,

>

> > Pranav

>

> >

>

> > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> wrote:

>

> > II hraum namah adityaya II

>

> > Dear Michalji , Namaskar

>

> >

>

> > replies under.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Regards,

>

> > Rafal Gendarz,

>

> > Consultations & Articles:

>

> >

>

> > www.rohinaa. com

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Michal Dziwulski napisa³(a): [ Hare Rama Krsna ]

>

> >

>

> > Dear Rafal,

>

> >

>

> > I struggle to see your point sometimes, nevertheless. ..

>

> >

>

> > Selfconfiden ce is related to courage when taking a choice

>

> >

>

> > ++So what is self-confidence when not "taking a choice"?

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > [rafal] it can be seen like that. its not definition but

>

> > how it can be seen. selfconfident person is sure about

success

and

>

> about good choice. all about Lagnesh.

>

> >

>

> > Selfesteem is about how You treat Yourself- Arudha.

>

> >

>

> > ++Why is how you treat yourself Arudha (that which can be

seen,

>

> that which rises)? I thought how I treat myself is something more

>

> internal, and not necessarily anything anybody else knows about.

For

>

> example, often people who commit suicide are said to be people you

 

>

> wouldn't expect to take their own lives. This shows a disparity

>

> between what people see on the outside and what is going on

>

> internally.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > [rafal] Arudha is how I can see myself, this is from JF book

also.

>

> Because of that it describes profession because If i think all the

 

>

> time I am Jyotishi, I will become like that.

>

> > Arudha can be also personal but still tangible..its not

>

> contradictory, it also shows many points which are in us, like UL

in

>

> Taurus.. Good point about suicide.

>

> > More comments below...

>

> >

>

> > Respectfully,

>

> > Michal

>

> >

>

> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl>

>

> >

>

> > Friday, March 30, 2007 8:29:35 AM

>

> > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] What are the combinations for

low

>

> self esteem?

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > II hraum namah adityaya II

>

> > Dear Michalji , Namaskar

>

> >

>

> > comments under Your notes.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Regards,

>

> >

>

> > Rafal Gendarz,

>

> > Consultations & Articles:

>

> >

>

> > www.rohinaa. com

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Michal Dziwulski napisa³(a): [ Hare Rama Krsna ]

>

> >

>

> > Dear Rafal,

>

> >

>

> > Good point, weak Lagnesh is the basis here.

>

> >

>

> > Basis of what? Please qualify what it is you are saying, I'm

not

>

> going to take it as gospel truth. What are we looking at here -

self-

>

> esteem, or self-confidence? Look at the definitions of these words.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > [Rafal]Selfconfiden ce is related to courage when taking a

choice -

>

> Lagna. Selfesteem is about how You treat Yourself - Arudha.

>

> >

>

> > Lagnesha and Paka is for looking at intelligence, Karaka is

>

> Jupiter. Karaka

>

> > of Lagna is Sun. Ability and courage is seen from the third

>

> house, Karaka Mars. Self-esteem is taking pride (Sun) in oneself,

>

> and confidence has to do with being able (Mars), so don't you

think

>

> Mars and Sun play a key role?

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > [Rafal] Yes, they play but at level of mana, this is the work

of

>

> naisargik karaka, if Surya is debilitated then the ego was hurted

>

> many times, while Mangal shows strength (satva) according to

>

> classics. Third from Karakamsa shows things which You will fight

for

>

> death. I had small discusion about that with Sanjayji last year.

>

> >

>

> > ++You say they play a role, but only at the level of Mana.

But

>

> everything is happening in the mind of people so this is an

important

>

> level to understand. Esteem, confidence, self-worth, pride,

dignity -

>

> all of these are a state of mind. Look at some of these Yogi's

who

>

> wear and own next to nothing and value what

>

> > they have, whereas rich people can have so much and still be

>

> depressed. This is all due to how the person is thinking. So

there

>

> is no point in brushing it of and saying that it is 'but at level

of

>

> Mana'. What else is there? At level of Atma there is no

>

> differentiation.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

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> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > [rafal] Im not saying thats its not worth to look at. Infact

Surya

>

> and Mangal are very important and Sanjayji in Serbia told me the

>

> same. Look at Lagnesh for objective things, Mana can be very

relative.

>

> > For depression we look for Saturn's

>

> sambandha with Moon. Shouldn't we see esteem and confidence from

the

>

> Mana

>

> > also?

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > [Rafal] Yes, but at the second level. Therefore I put my

example.

>

> >

>

> > Regarding your example charts, I have a different take on

them.

>

> The first example has Saturn in AL with debilitated Jupiter in the

 

>

> 3rd from AL. This person would feel defeated all the time, whereas

 

>

> the second example has Lord of AL exalted and Mars, Sun, and Rahu

in

>

> the 6th from AL giving the ability to put up a good fight and win

in

>

> most sitautions. Look at Chandra also. In the first example Moon

is

>

> aspected by this debilitated Jupiter, and in the second example

Moon

>

> is aspected by the Sun, Mars and Rahu combination.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > [Rafal] Yes, but AL is too much extravertic here..the

lifestyle

has

>

> the impact on one confidence and psychology but the important and

>

> vital

>

> > point is dosha in the internal factor itself. Therefore

Lagnesh

>

> and Kendra to Lagna.

>

> >

>

> > ++Lagnesha if well placed gives a person intelligence,

discernment,

>

> response instead of reaction, foresight, seeing the consequences

of

>

> their actions.

>

> > However if Saturn has sambandha with Moon then the person can

 

still

>

> get depressed, no matter how well Lagnesha is placed. If it is

well

>

> placed they will deal with the depression better then others

perhaps,

>

> but nevertheless the depression will be there.

>

> > In the same way a yoga like Kalasarpa can totally deny things

in

a

>

> person's life, even if Lagnesha is well placed. If Lagnesha is

well

>

> placed then they can understand that it is their Karma and they

carry

>

> on, but just because they can see it, doesn't stop it from

happening.

>

> > So, in the same way, confidence and self-esteem are not based

on

>

> Lagnesha alone. They are feelings and emotions that are

represented

>

> by the Graha's which interact with

>

> > different points that represent us - swamsa, and this

includes

>

> paka, arudha, and navmasa lagnas etc. This has to be the case

>

> otherwise how could we discern between all the emotions and

feelings

>

> it is possible to experience.

>

> >

>

> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > [rafal] yes, agree that it comes from many points. still the

>

> Lagnesh position is crucial because, He shows our strength to

endure

>

> (like Venus in Navamsa Lagna) and make us victorious, therefore

>

> miscelannous Yoga's per Parasara have one condition which is

common -

>

> strong Lagnesh.

>

> > How confident is a person? How nuturing is a

>

> person? How possesive is a person? How stressed is a person? How

>

> unique is a person? How dharmic is a person? How much does a

person

>

> value life?

>

> > All of these

>

> > cannot be answered just by the state of the Lagna Lord can

they?

>

> Because they are all represented by different Graha's.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > [rafal] Confident-Lagnesh, Nurturing-Moon, Possesive- Mangal,

 

>

> Stressed-Papakartar i,Unique- Rahu,Dharmic- Jupiter in kona,

Values-

>

> HL.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > I hope there is more discussion on this.

>

> >

>

> > Respectfully,

>

> > Michal

>

> >

>

> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl>

>

> >

>

> > Friday, March 30, 2007 1:11:17 AM

>

> > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] What are the combinations for

low

>

> self esteem?

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > II hraum namah adityaya II

>

> > Dear Sumanth , Namaskar

>

> >

>

> > Good point, weak Lagnesh is the basis here. Sanjayji

mentiones

also

>

> its conjunction with Rahu for this in COVA. I find it working

quite

>

> well, but if Paka Lagna is strong then it can also mean the native

 

is

>

> arrogant, overconfident. So the first chart shows person with low

>

> self-esteem and the second is over-self-esteem.

>

> > In both Paka yuti Rahu.

>

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> > You should also see that in first chart Lagnesh is in 12 from

 

>

> Surya, and its the house which Ravi hates the most (MKS). Dont

think

>

> about big mental problems in first chart, altough Guru is

badhakesh

>

> deb its exalted in D9 and Surya is in Kona to it.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Regards,

>

> > Rafal Gendarz,

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> > Consultations & Articles:

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> >

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> > sumanth krishna napisa³(a): I feel weak lagnesh, weak

Sun.

>

> >

>

> > I also heard, ketu , and saturn's influence on lagna will

aslo

>

> make them feel low.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > weak AK(soul level suffering)??

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> > sumanth

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> > Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal> wrote:

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> > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]

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> >

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> > Dear Pranav,

>

> >

>

> > Confidence must surely come from Mars don't you think?

>

> >

>

> > Respectfully,

>

> > Michal

>

> >

>

> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Pranav Gupta <sushmagupta51@ >

>

> >

>

> > Thursday, March 29, 2007 12:25:25 PM

>

> > [Om Krishna Guru] What are the combinations for low

self

>

> esteem?

>

> >

>

> > !Om Gurave Namah!

>

> >

>

> > Dear Friends and learneds, Namakar!

>

> >

>

> > Lately I have been trying to co-relate the people I know to

what

>

> could be their Rasi and any planetary dominance. I

>

> > came across some people who have low self confidence. These

people

>

> are the masters of their trade but are unsuccessful On further

>

> thinking I realized that these people could be more successful if

>

> they had more confidence.

>

> >

>

> > I looked through various texts I have and I am thinking it

has

to

>

> do with the position and strength of Lagnesh.

>

> >

>

> > Can any of the gurus please shed light on this aspect?

>

> >

>

> > Warm regards,

>

> > Pranav

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> > Get your own web address.

>

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> http://autos.

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