Guest guest Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 hare rama krsna Dear Shan , Namaskar There is curse of Shukra, which cause conjugal mishaps. Shukra and seventh lord are also in second bhava from Atmkaraka-Rahu; Pray to Lakshmi and save Yourself from this. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal SkypeID: jyotraff1 Consultations & Articles: http://rohinaa.com shan_chou2000 napisał(a): respected all; my name is shashank & i have joined this group just now,,,,,i know very basic jyotish, & whatever i know is due to sjc, i will always remain thankful to u for introducing me to this greatest of sciences,, i try to study jyotish through shri pvr narsimha & guru visti larsons Mp3's & various articles posted at sjcs sites,,,,,,, , iam curious if u all can look at my chart & guide me about some strang things in my life,,this is some kind of puzzle,,,,,, & for that matter to whom should i ask abt this, rather than u,,,,,,, MY BIRTH DATA IS AS FOLLOWS,, DOB:-02/11/1978 TOB:-17:40 POB:- LATUR, MAHARASHATRA, INDIA 18N24,76E34 MY QUESTIONS ARE, ABOUT CURSE IN MY CHART,ARE THERE ANY CURSES IN MY CHARTS? I HAVE SUFFERED A LOT IN RELATIONS TO PEOPLE BEFORE MY MARRIAGE, A VERY STRANGE RELATION HAPPENED WITH ME, MY MARRIAGE HAPPENED VERY UNEXPECTEDLY, THE GIRL IS FROM POOR FAMILY,AND OUR AGE DIFF. IS 9 YRS. AND NOW I HAVE A DAUGHTER ALSO. MY CAREER STARED VERY LATE I WAS AT HOME DURING 2002-2005,AFTER THAT I JOINED A COMPANY,BUT IAM FELLINF LIKE DYING THERE SINCE LAST 3 YRS.AND IAM FORCED TO DO THINGS WHICH I DONT WANT TO, PLS IF U COULD SOLVE THESE QUESTIONS, GUIDE ME.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 hare rama krsna Dear Shan , Namaskar I relied on this birth details: November 2, 1978 Time: 17:40:33 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 76 E 35' 00", 18 N 24' 00" Latur, India Shukra has 24 degree, while Rahu has 0 degree (its like 29.12 degree as we count reverse for nodes). Even if You will choose 'true nodes' option (which is wrong) then You will come to the same results. Based on these facts Rahu becomes your atmakaraka planet, whilst Shukra becomes karma-karaka (AmK). As long as you continue Lakshmi sadhana you will be permamently protected in discussed matters. As for succesful career..i dont know how they (your astrologers) arrived to this. Grahamalika tail sits in eight bhava so many breaks, stress, and ups & downs are prognosticated for this chart (moreso from 2024). Of course You will be protected all the time due to Hamsa Mahapurusa Yoga. Dont ignore my advise about Lakshmi worship as this will help you in many ways. In some point of time it is recomended to think about Matangi sadhana Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal SkypeID: jyotraff1 Consultations & Articles: http://rohinaa.com shan_chou2000 napisał(a): respected rafal ji thanku very much for ur reply,,,as u said there is a curse on sukra it is 2nd from rahu-ak, but i was thinking venus as ak because it has higest no of degrees, secondly many astrologers promise me a great life a successful career even as a industrialist, this all is very confusing, forgive me for asking follish things, but pls give me a hint regarding these things.as iam suffering a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 Om Namah Shivaya, Dear Rafal, Why did you give priority to Laksmi sadhana? For marriage I understand, but for professional life, no help. Budha Mahadasha is breaking Kema Druma Yoga from Karakamsa, So budha as darakaraka promises to break poverty. However, Shani Antrardasha is running with panchami Shani, so there is a lot of problem in professional front.Shani in the 5th house causes Rajya Bhanga, and shows bad decisions and lack of appropriate decisions due to misguided intelligence. No matter how a person is intellient, he will suffer due to his bad choices/decisions. Shani does it due to his inherent weakness, which comes from badhak and wrong direction in career. Shani further is involved in Kema Druma Yoga in the dasha, so basically, due to such wrong decisions,he may experience poverty and bad health. Further, Lagnesh is in 8th house so due to inherent weakness in his character (anger, impatience) he will take very risky decissions, which are not good for his career. However, there are TWO good things: 1. Shani is in Simha, so the power of Shiva is there 2. Shani is in 3rd from AL, so he may fight. The only remedy for his professional problem is SHIVA JYOTIRLINGA MANTRA, Om Namah Shivaya Namah Rameshvaraja. This mantra should be continued for professional success, What Rafalji stated about Laksmi worship is very good for emotional life, However, I wouldn't recommend Matangi, though of course there is no harm, since Surya neech in 7th is a form of Devi/ Mother. Dear Rafal, Check the previous navamsa, Best wishes Zoran Zoran Radosavljevicwww.siva-edu.110mb.comjyotish blog atwww.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz16. veljaèa 2008 21:22 Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] my pranam to all jyotish gurus,,,,,,,,,,, hare rama krsnaDear Shan , NamaskarI relied on this birth details: November 2, 1978Time: 17:40:33Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 76 E 35' 00", 18 N 24' 00" Latur, India Shukra has 24 degree, while Rahu has 0 degree (its like 29.12 degree as we count reverse for nodes). Even if You will choose 'true nodes' option (which is wrong) then You will come to the same results. Based on these facts Rahu becomes your atmakarakaplanet, whilst Shukra becomes karma-karaka (AmK). As long as you continue Lakshmi sadhana you will be permamently protected in discussedmatters. As for succesful career..i dont know how they (your astrologers) arrived to this. Grahamalika tail sits in eight bhava so many breaks, stress, and ups & downs are prognosticated for this chart (moreso from 2024). Of course You will be protected all the time due to Hamsa Mahapurusa Yoga. Dont ignore my advise about Lakshmi worship as this will help you in many ways. In some point of time it is recomended to think about Matangi sadhana :)Regards,Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guruemail: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) comSkypeID: jyotraff1Consultations & Articles: http://rohinaa.comshan_chou2000 napisa³(a): respected rafal ji thanku very much for ur reply,,,as u said there is a curse on sukra it is 2nd from rahu-ak, but i was thinking venus as ak because it has higest no of degrees, secondly many astrologers promise me a great life a successful career even as a industrialist, this all is very confusing, forgive me for asking follish things, but pls give me a hint regarding these things.as iam suffering a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Zoran, Venus is giving neecha bhanga to Surya. That is why we need to empower and strengthen Venus as much as possible. The professional life, children, marriage all will be affected unless surya gets nicha bhanga. I did not read the the native;s mails so I don’t know what his problems are. Best Regards, Sarbani Rath Home Page: http://sarbani.com SJC: http://.com Courses: http://sohamsa.com Publications: http://sagittariuspublications.com Zr [ahimsans] Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:56 AM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] my pranam to all jyotish gurus,,,,,,,,,,, Om Namah Shivaya, Dear Rafal, Why did you give priority to Laksmi sadhana? For marriage I understand, but for professional life, no help. Budha Mahadasha is breaking Kema Druma Yoga from Karakamsa, So budha as darakaraka promises to break poverty. However, Shani Antrardasha is running with panchami Shani, so there is a lot of problem in professional front.Shani in the 5th house causes Rajya Bhanga, and shows bad decisions and lack of appropriate decisions due to misguided intelligence. No matter how a person is intellient, he will suffer due to his bad choices/decisions. Shani does it due to his inherent weakness, which comes from badhak and wrong direction in career. Shani further is involved in Kema Druma Yoga in the dasha, so basically, due to such wrong decisions,he may experience poverty and bad health. Further, Lagnesh is in 8th house so due to inherent weakness in his character (anger, impatience) he will take very risky decissions, which are not good for his career. However, there are TWO good things: 1. Shani is in Simha, so the power of Shiva is there 2. Shani is in 3rd from AL, so he may fight. The only remedy for his professional problem is SHIVA JYOTIRLINGA MANTRA, Om Namah Shivaya Namah Rameshvaraja. This mantra should be continued for professional success, What Rafalji stated about Laksmi worship is very good for emotional life, However, I wouldn't recommend Matangi, though of course there is no harm, since Surya neech in 7th is a form of Devi/ Mother. Dear Rafal, Check the previous navamsa, Best wishes Zoran Zoran Radosavljevic www.siva-edu.110mb.com jyotish blog at www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz 16. veljaèa 2008 21:22 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] my pranam to all jyotish gurus,,,,,,,,,,, hare rama krsna Dear Shan , Namaskar I relied on this birth details: November 2, 1978 Time: 17:40:33 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 76 E 35' 00 " , 18 N 24' 00 " Latur, India Shukra has 24 degree, while Rahu has 0 degree (its like 29.12 degree as we count reverse for nodes). Even if You will choose 'true nodes' option (which is wrong) then You will come to the same results. Based on these facts Rahu becomes your atmakaraka planet, whilst Shukra becomes karma-karaka (AmK). As long as you continue Lakshmi sadhana you will be permamently protected in discussed matters. As for succesful career..i dont know how they (your astrologers) arrived to this. Grahamalika tail sits in eight bhava so many breaks, stress, and ups & downs are prognosticated for this chart (moreso from 2024). Of course You will be protected all the time due to Hamsa Mahapurusa Yoga. Dont ignore my advise about Lakshmi worship as this will help you in many ways. In some point of time it is recomended to think about Matangi sadhana Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal SkypeID: jyotraff1 Consultations & Articles: http://rohinaa.com shan_chou2000 napisa³(a): respected rafal ji thanku very much for ur reply,,,as u said there is a curse on sukra it is 2nd from rahu-ak, but i was thinking venus as ak because it has higest no of degrees, secondly many astrologers promise me a great life a successful career even as a industrialist, this all is very confusing, forgive me for asking follish things, but pls give me a hint regarding these things.as iam suffering a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Zoran, I am sure you must have noticed but Leo is also the 10H from Moon, occupied by Saturn and weak lord. Best Regards Ramesh On Behalf Of Zr Saturday, February 16, 2008 10:26 PM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] my pranam to all jyotish gurus,,,,,,,,,,, Om Namah Shivaya, Dear Rafal, Why did you give priority to Laksmi sadhana? For marriage I understand, but for professional life, no help. Budha Mahadasha is breaking Kema Druma Yoga from Karakamsa, So budha as darakaraka promises to break poverty. However, Shani Antrardasha is running with panchami Shani, so there is a lot of problem in professional front.Shani in the 5th house causes Rajya Bhanga, and shows bad decisions and lack of appropriate decisions due to misguided intelligence. No matter how a person is intellient, he will suffer due to his bad choices/decisions. Shani does it due to his inherent weakness, which comes from badhak and wrong direction in career. Shani further is involved in Kema Druma Yoga in the dasha, so basically, due to such wrong decisions,he may experience poverty and bad health. Further, Lagnesh is in 8th house so due to inherent weakness in his character (anger, impatience) he will take very risky decissions, which are not good for his career. However, there are TWO good things: 1. Shani is in Simha, so the power of Shiva is there 2. Shani is in 3rd from AL, so he may fight. The only remedy for his professional problem is SHIVA JYOTIRLINGA MANTRA, Om Namah Shivaya Namah Rameshvaraja. This mantra should be continued for professional success, What Rafalji stated about Laksmi worship is very good for emotional life, However, I wouldn't recommend Matangi, though of course there is no harm, since Surya neech in 7th is a form of Devi/ Mother. Dear Rafal, Check the previous navamsa, Best wishes Zoran Zoran Radosavljevic www.siva-edu.110mb.com jyotish blog at www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz 16. veljaèa 2008 21:22 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] my pranam to all jyotish gurus,,,,,,,,,,, hare rama krsna Dear Shan , Namaskar I relied on this birth details: November 2, 1978 Time: 17:40:33 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 76 E 35' 00 " , 18 N 24' 00 " Latur, India Shukra has 24 degree, while Rahu has 0 degree (its like 29.12 degree as we count reverse for nodes). Even if You will choose 'true nodes' option (which is wrong) then You will come to the same results. Based on these facts Rahu becomes your atmakaraka planet, whilst Shukra becomes karma-karaka (AmK). As long as you continue Lakshmi sadhana you will be permamently protected in discussed matters. As for succesful career..i dont know how they (your astrologers) arrived to this. Grahamalika tail sits in eight bhava so many breaks, stress, and ups & downs are prognosticated for this chart (moreso from 2024). Of course You will be protected all the time due to Hamsa Mahapurusa Yoga. Dont ignore my advise about Lakshmi worship as this will help you in many ways. In some point of time it is recomended to think about Matangi sadhana Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com SkypeID: jyotraff1 Consultations & Articles: http://rohinaa.com shan_chou2000 napisa³(a): respected rafal ji thanku very much for ur reply,,,as u said there is a curse on sukra it is 2nd from rahu-ak, but i was thinking venus as ak because it has higest no of degrees, secondly many astrologers promise me a great life a successful career even as a industrialist, this all is very confusing, forgive me for asking follish things, but pls give me a hint regarding these things.as iam suffering a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 हरे राम कृष्ण Dear Jyotishas, Namaskar. Do excuse me as I join the frey. On the whole I see that Sara, Zoki and Rafal agree that Surya must be strengthened and taken out of its debility. For this the best remedies are either Jyotirlinga Rameshvara or Matangi mantra, or alternatively wearing a diamond, which would be inadvisable due to the Aries lagna. Rafal and Sara have further noted that the curse of spouse in the chart should be remedied through Lakshmi worship. Note, that this combination involves the twelfth house from Karaka Lagna and therefore you may not fully solve this problem without worship of the Atmalinga of Atmakaraka itself, i.e. Pashupati Jyotirlinga. I realize that now a THIRD remedy has presented itself. I personally can vouch for the effectiveness of this remedy for the clients I have given this remedy to in the past, who had a similar issue with the twelfth from Karaka Lagna. Yet, Rafal mentioned a point which I fear is missing in the assessment of the chart, and was voiced by Shan himself, namely the graha malika yoga and the ending position of it in the eighth house. Remember that all planets are going to follow the planets in Cancer (Jupiter) and the planets in Scorpio (Mars, Moon and Mercury). Specifically in Scorpio we a Rajbhanga yoga. Zoki, you mentioned that Rajbhanga yoga in the fifth will give bad decisions, but as you know this mainly shows lack of support (fifth house) and this can be due to inability to work (tenth lord Saturn). Instead its the weakness of the lagna/lagnesha that causes the native to make bad decisions and even decide to leave their work. This is very likely considering that Lagnesh-Mars is going to support the eighth house instead of the lagna as its in own sign. This position of his chart is quite interesting as he in the same mail mentioned his marriage, which wasn't in context with his real problems. That omen becomes ever more evident being that the eighth house is joined his darakaraka, upapada and Mars showing the hasty marriage to begin with. Therefore the appropriate remedy is to advise him the meditation on hriiM beeja and Narasimha Anusthup Mantra (Mars+Mercury aspected by Jupiter, and Mars is also the dharma devata). The reasoning is simply: solve his Sun and you will get him a better job, but solve the grahamalika yoga and you will solve his life. Note that you could risk him experiencing the same problems in a new job if the grahamalika yoga isn't remedied. I present these two options to Shan to decide further. Looking forward to your reply. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti Sarbani Rath skrev: Hare Rama Krishna Dear Zoran, Venus is giving neecha bhanga to Surya. That is why we need to empower and strengthen Venus as much as possible. The professional life, children, marriage all will be affected unless surya gets nicha bhanga. I did not read the the native;s mails so I don’t know what his problems are. Best Regards, Sarbani Rath Home Page: http://sarbani.com SJC: http://.com Courses: http://sohamsa.com Publications: http://sagittariuspublications.com Zr [ahimsans (AT) nadlanu (DOT) com] Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:56 AM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] my pranam to all jyotish gurus,,,,,,,,,,, Om Namah Shivaya, Dear Rafal, Why did you give priority to Laksmi sadhana? For marriage I understand, but for professional life, no help. Budha Mahadasha is breaking Kema Druma Yoga from Karakamsa, So budha as darakaraka promises to break poverty. However, Shani Antrardasha is running with panchami Shani, so there is a lot of problem in professional front.Shani in the 5th house causes Rajya Bhanga, and shows bad decisions and lack of appropriate decisions due to misguided intelligence. No matter how a person is intellient, he will suffer due to his bad choices/decisions. Shani does it due to his inherent weakness, which comes from badhak and wrong direction in career. Shani further is involved in Kema Druma Yoga in the dasha, so basically, due to such wrong decisions,he may experience poverty and bad health. Further, Lagnesh is in 8th house so due to inherent weakness in his character (anger, impatience) he will take very risky decissions, which are not good for his career. However, there are TWO good things: 1. Shani is in Simha, so the power of Shiva is there 2. Shani is in 3rd from AL, so he may fight. The only remedy for his professional problem is SHIVA JYOTIRLINGA MANTRA, Om Namah Shivaya Namah Rameshvaraja. This mantra should be continued for professional success, What Rafalji stated about Laksmi worship is very good for emotional life, However, I wouldn't recommend Matangi, though of course there is no harm, since Surya neech in 7th is a form of Devi/ Mother. Dear Rafal, Check the previous navamsa, Best wishes Zoran Zoran Radosavljevic www.siva-edu.110mb.com jyotish blog at www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz 16. veljaèa 2008 21:22 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] my pranam to all jyotish gurus,,,,,,,,,,, hare rama krsna Dear Shan , Namaskar I relied on this birth details: Date: November 2, 1978 Time: 17:40:33 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 76 E 35' 00", 18 N 24' 00" Latur, India Shukra has 24 degree, while Rahu has 0 degree (its like 29.12 degree as we count reverse for nodes). Even if You will choose 'true nodes' option (which is wrong) then You will come to the same results. Based on these facts Rahu becomes your atmakaraka planet, whilst Shukra becomes karma-karaka (AmK). As long as you continue Lakshmi sadhana you will be permamently protected in discussed matters. As for succesful career..i dont know how they (your astrologers) arrived to this. Grahamalika tail sits in eight bhava so many breaks, stress, and ups & downs are prognosticated for this chart (moreso from 2024). Of course You will be protected all the time due to Hamsa Mahapurusa Yoga. Dont ignore my advise about Lakshmi worship as this will help you in many ways. In some point of time it is recomended to think about Matangi sadhana Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com SkypeID: jyotraff1 Consultations & Articles: http://rohinaa.com shan_chou2000 napisa³(a): respected rafal ji thanku very much for ur reply,,,as u said there is a curse on sukra it is 2nd from rahu-ak, but i was thinking venus as ak because it has higest no of degrees, secondly many astrologers promise me a great life a successful career even as a industrialist, this all is very confusing, forgive me for asking follish things, but pls give me a hint regarding these things.as iam suffering a lot. 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Guest guest Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 hare rama krsna Dear Guruji, Zoki, Sara and others, Namaskar Ive just started to answer about importance of correcting the curse as a something more than just only remedy to have happy married life. The Surya is : karmesh from Chandra amsesh of Arudhapada drekkana dispositor of Rasi karmesh from lagna fifth lord from lagna (quite detrimental for career) Now if that planet is engaged in saapa we have options to give Brghu mantra if Shukra would be wellplaced or Lakshmi mantra for seventh bhava issue; luckily this will also help the Surya to get out of neecha diptadi avastha. Vistiji; thank you for points regarding importance and usage of 1) atmalinga 2) weightage of grahamalika yoga and its remedying. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal SkypeID: jyotraff1 Consultations & Articles: http://rohinaa.com Visti Larsen napisa³(a): हरे राम कृष्ण Dear Jyotishas, Namaskar. Do excuse me as I join the frey. On the whole I see that Sara, Zoki and Rafal agree that Surya must be strengthened and taken out of its debility. For this the best remedies are either Jyotirlinga Rameshvara or Matangi mantra, or alternatively wearing a diamond, which would be inadvisable due to the Aries lagna. Rafal and Sara have further noted that the curse of spouse in the chart should be remedied through Lakshmi worship. Note, that this combination involves the twelfth house from Karaka Lagna and therefore you may not fully solve this problem without worship of the Atmalinga of Atmakaraka itself, i.e. Pashupati Jyotirlinga. I realize that now a THIRD remedy has presented itself. I personally can vouch for the effectiveness of this remedy for the clients I have given this remedy to in the past, who had a similar issue with the twelfth from Karaka Lagna. Yet, Rafal mentioned a point which I fear is missing in the assessment of the chart, and was voiced by Shan himself, namely the graha malika yoga and the ending position of it in the eighth house. Remember that all planets are going to follow the planets in Cancer (Jupiter) and the planets in Scorpio (Mars, Moon and Mercury). Specifically in Scorpio we a Rajbhanga yoga. Zoki, you mentioned that Rajbhanga yoga in the fifth will give bad decisions, but as you know this mainly shows lack of support (fifth house) and this can be due to inability to work (tenth lord Saturn). Instead its the weakness of the lagna/lagnesha that causes the native to make bad decisions and even decide to leave their work. This is very likely considering that Lagnesh-Mars is going to support the eighth house instead of the lagna as its in own sign. This position of his chart is quite interesting as he in the same mail mentioned his marriage, which wasn't in context with his real problems. That omen becomes ever more evident being that the eighth house is joined his darakaraka, upapada and Mars showing the hasty marriage to begin with. Therefore the appropriate remedy is to advise him the meditation on hriiM beeja and Narasimha Anusthup Mantra (Mars+Mercury aspected by Jupiter, and Mars is also the dharma devata). The reasoning is simply: solve his Sun and you will get him a better job, but solve the grahamalika yoga and you will solve his life. Note that you could risk him experiencing the same problems in a new job if the grahamalika yoga isn't remedied. I present these two options to Shan to decide further. Looking forward to your reply. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com Sarbani Rath skrev: Hare Rama Krishna Dear Zoran, Venus is giving neecha bhanga to Surya. That is why we need to empower and strengthen Venus as much as possible. The professional life, children, marriage all will be affected unless surya gets nicha bhanga. I did not read the the native;s mails so I don’t know what his problems are. Best Regards, Sarbani Rath Home Page: http://sarbani.com SJC: http://.com Courses: http://sohamsa.com Publications: http://sagittariuspublications.com Zr [ahimsans (AT) nadlanu (DOT) com] Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:56 AM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] my pranam to all jyotish gurus,,,,,,,,,,, Om Namah Shivaya, Dear Rafal, Why did you give priority to Laksmi sadhana? For marriage I understand, but for professional life, no help. Budha Mahadasha is breaking Kema Druma Yoga from Karakamsa, So budha as darakaraka promises to break poverty. However, Shani Antrardasha is running with panchami Shani, so there is a lot of problem in professional front.Shani in the 5th house causes Rajya Bhanga, and shows bad decisions and lack of appropriate decisions due to misguided intelligence. No matter how a person is intellient, he will suffer due to his bad choices/decisions. Shani does it due to his inherent weakness, which comes from badhak and wrong direction in career. Shani further is involved in Kema Druma Yoga in the dasha, so basically, due to such wrong decisions,he may experience poverty and bad health. Further, Lagnesh is in 8th house so due to inherent weakness in his character (anger, impatience) he will take very risky decissions, which are not good for his career. However, there are TWO good things: 1. Shani is in Simha, so the power of Shiva is there 2. Shani is in 3rd from AL, so he may fight. The only remedy for his professional problem is SHIVA JYOTIRLINGA MANTRA, Om Namah Shivaya Namah Rameshvaraja. This mantra should be continued for professional success, What Rafalji stated about Laksmi worship is very good for emotional life, However, I wouldn't recommend Matangi, though of course there is no harm, since Surya neech in 7th is a form of Devi/ Mother. Dear Rafal, Check the previous navamsa, Best wishes Zoran Zoran Radosavljevic www.siva-edu.110mb.com jyotish blog at www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz 16. veljaèa 2008 21:22 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] my pranam to all jyotish gurus,,,,,,,,,,, hare rama krsna Dear Shan , Namaskar I relied on this birth details: Date: November 2, 1978 Time: 17:40:33 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 76 E 35' 00", 18 N 24' 00" Latur, India Shukra has 24 degree, while Rahu has 0 degree (its like 29.12 degree as we count reverse for nodes). Even if You will choose 'true nodes' option (which is wrong) then You will come to the same results. Based on these facts Rahu becomes your atmakaraka planet, whilst Shukra becomes karma-karaka (AmK). As long as you continue Lakshmi sadhana you will be permamently protected in discussed matters. As for succesful career..i dont know how they (your astrologers) arrived to this. Grahamalika tail sits in eight bhava so many breaks, stress, and ups & downs are prognosticated for this chart (moreso from 2024). Of course You will be protected all the time due to Hamsa Mahapurusa Yoga. Dont ignore my advise about Lakshmi worship as this will help you in many ways. In some point of time it is recomended to think about Matangi sadhana Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com SkypeID: jyotraff1 Consultations & Articles: http://rohinaa.com shan_chou2000 napisa³(a): respected rafal ji thanku very much for ur reply,,,as u said there is a curse on sukra it is 2nd from rahu-ak, but i was thinking venus as ak because it has higest no of degrees, secondly many astrologers promise me a great life a successful career even as a industrialist, this all is very confusing, forgive me for asking follish things, but pls give me a hint regarding these things.as iam suffering a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 !!JAI SAIRAM!! Respected jyotish gurus, Shan is here, hope u remember the grahmalika yoga in my chart as u stated & gave a remedy, as u know there is a curse of spouce in chart, but does it really happening as budh mahadash shani antardasha going on, if u pls comment on good things in chart, as there seems to be two mahapurusha yogas, two lakshni yogas, kuber tulya rajyoga,dhan yoga,moon-mars yoga,vesi & anapha yoga,are happening, but the actual conditions are different, & also co-lord of uppada lagna is in 12th from rashilagna & 5th from itself, if u don't mind iam giving birth details of my wife, so that ucould comment on curse relation in my chart, & overall properity of marriage, dob:-12/10/1987 tob:-11:15 am, nanded, India 77E21, 19N11, my details:- dob:-2/11/1978 tob:-17:40 latur India 76E34, 18N24, !! JAI SAIRAM!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 respected vistiji, the curse of sukra is in 2nd from karka lagna(rahu in 6th)so how is this became 12th, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 हरे राम कृष्ण Dear Shan, Namaskar. I wrote: 'Karaka' not 'Karka'. The former implies the Atmakaraka in rasi chart. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti shan_chou2000 skrev: respected vistiji, the curse of sukra is in 2nd from karka lagna(rahu in 6th)so how is this became 12th, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 Dear Visti Ji Namaskaram If the curse of sukra is in 2nd and also Atmakaraka in rasi chart. What can be the General Remedial Measure as Venus is Commission Agent of Saturn. Suggestion Give Milk to Poor or Servants. Thanks Tem Pram Chopra On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Visti Larsen <visti wrote: हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£Dear Shan, Namaskar.I wrote: 'Karaka' not 'Karka'. The former implies the Atmakaraka in rasi chart.Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: http://srigaruda.com@: visti shan_chou2000 skrev: respected vistiji, the curse of sukra is in 2nd from karka lagna(rahu in 6th)so how is this became 12th, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 respected vistiji, my mistake,its karaka lagana , how this involvement in 12th affact the curse, & what is the importance of karka lagna in judgeing the curse , why speciefically 12th house, & what is the mantra for worship of the Atmalinga of Atmakaraka , is it makes atma more pure and free from burden of past life bad karma, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 om namo bhagavate narasimhaya Dear  Prem, 1) If dispositor is unafflicted - give Guru rupa of that planet. This is analysed first. If its afflicted then go to point 2. 2) If karaka bhava is unafflicted - give pratyadi deva of that planet (here ju - SambaShiva) 3) If both are afflicted then worship of Vishnu is the remedy. AK Curses are remedied by Jyotirlinga sadhana. Regards Rafal Gendarz SJC Jyotish Guru -------------- Consultations & Pages http://rohinaa.com rafal Dear Visti Ji  Namaskaram  If the curse of sukra is in 2nd and also Atmakaraka in rasi chart. What can be the General Remedial Measure as Venus is Commission Agent of Saturn. Suggestion Give Milk to Poor or Servants.  Thanks  Tem Pram Chopra On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote: हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Shan, Namaskar. I wrote: 'Karaka' not 'Karka'. The former implies the Atmakaraka in rasi chart. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: http://srigaruda. com @: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com shan_chou2000 skrev: respected vistiji, the curse of sukra is in 2nd from karka lagna(rahu in 6th)so how is this became 12th, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Dear Rafal Ji Namaskaram Thanks for your Reply its Great as it will give nice clearing point to the learners. There is more query hope if you dont mind. If in observation 2 Point is missed due to any how what would be the result if (give pratyadi deva of that planet (here ju - SambaShiva)) is done. As by saying of yours AK Curses are remedied by Jyotirlinga sadhana. does it means universal point or General point or the optional point. Are there change of breakage in between then which is the exact day of Nakshatra and auspicious Hora timings so that it is sujected to completion. As it is seen that if timing is running Sidhi Yoga it give some awesome results and completed within time. Does calculation include Day Lord too. Thanks Tem Pram Chopra On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 7:59 PM, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: om namo bhagavate narasimhayaDear Prem,1) If dispositor is unafflicted - give Guru rupa of that planet. This is analysed first. If its afflicted then go to point 2. 2) If karaka bhava is unafflicted - give pratyadi deva of that planet (here ju - SambaShiva)3) If both are afflicted then worship of Vishnu is the remedy. AK Curses are remedied by Jyotirlinga sadhana. RegardsRafal GendarzSJC Jyotish Guru--------------Consultations & Pageshttp://rohinaa.comrafal Dear Visti Ji Namaskaram If the curse of sukra is in 2nd and also Atmakaraka in rasi chart. What can be the General Remedial Measure as Venus is Commission Agent of Saturn. Suggestion Give Milk to Poor or Servants. Thanks Tem Pram Chopra On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote: हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£Dear Shan, Namaskar.I wrote: 'Karaka' not 'Karka'. The former implies the Atmakaraka in rasi chart.Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen------------ --------- --------- --------- ---- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: http://srigaruda. com@: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com shan_chou2000 skrev: respected vistiji, the curse of sukra is in 2nd from karka lagna(rahu in 6th)so how is this became 12th, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 dear mr zaranji pls clarify some things you have said abt my chart, infact iam not against what u have said but some other jyotish groups are blameing you & sjc pls do answer to them as i believe in sjc & its teachings, the following is a message from a group called:- Vedic Astrologyandhealing/message/5571 1. " Shani is in Simha, so the power of Shiva is there " . My opinion is that such statement is nebulous. What that statement means? Shani in Simha in fifth bhava is bad. That position brings problem with children, marriage, friendships, and money problems. And because some of that problems person will probably be prepare for not so moral decisions in life. Shani generally is not responsibly for bad health for that native, because that position in fifth bhava. Not in this life & #61514;. But another grahas in chart is responsible for some problems on generall plane. Lagnesh is strong in eight bhava, so person will not suffer some serious health problems from that position of lagnesh. But person maybe be involved in some verbal fights or some unmoral things, when money matters is concerned. 2. " Shani is in 3rd from AL, so he may fight " Fight for what or with whom? Such Shani in fifth bhava don't bring fights generally. Such Shani gives the person strong headed personality, stubborn and one track minded personality, slow in studies, etc. My recommendation is Graha mantras, not for some God or Goddess, but just for Grahas. Grahas is responsible for our karmas, if we look at that way, that is some other responsible, and not we are for our karmas. With such mantras you will be able to manipulate with karma in some extent, and you will be able to do this specifically and with focus in that area of life whose in problem. Graha mantras for Mahadasha and Antaradsaha lords is recommended, for such things. With that knowledge you are able to fight and to take life in your hands. With Graha mantras, you are independent from every kind of " internet remedies " and from charlatans. Chant mantras for lordships of Maha and Antardasha, and your life will be more prosperous. PLS REPLY & IF POSSIBLE IN THEIR GROUP, REGARDS SHAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Om Namah Shivaya, I do not know whether you are reffering to me (zaranji) since my name is Zoran, so it is similar (it might be a typing mistake), but if you do, I have no idea which groups you are talking about, since I am not a member of any. So, if you are not refering to me, then again I do not understand what you require from Jyotish Gurus of Sjc. To go and argue, is foolish, who beleives or not is their issue, and ultimatelly what matters is the truth in practical life, not any arguments. I have never read the mail you quoted, but from what I can read, about Shani in 5th bhava not infleuncing health is completelly off the mark. Shani in 5th bhava does mar health, because 5th house is natural sign leo, and Sun is karaka for Lagna. So any planet in 5th house will have a say on health of the native... But anyway, I again see no reason to argue with somebody and impose my own views. There are many paramaparas of Jyotish in India, and many people study and teach Jyotish today. A person will get a Guru and knowledge according to their own desire, guna and karma. Aren't they? Best wishes Zoran Radosavljevic www.siva-edu.info www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com , " shan_chou2000 " <shan_chou2000 wrote:q > > dear mr zaranji pls clarify some things you have said abt my chart, > infact iam not against what u have said but some other jyotish groups > are blameing you & sjc pls do answer to them as i believe in sjc & > its teachings, the following is a message from a group called:- > Vedic Astrologyandhealing/message/5571 > > 1. " Shani is in Simha, so the power of Shiva is there " . > > My opinion is that such statement is nebulous. What that statement > means? > Shani in Simha in fifth bhava is bad. That position brings problem > with children, marriage, friendships, and money problems. And because > some of that problems person will probably be prepare for not so moral > decisions in life. Shani generally is not responsibly for bad health > for that native, because that position in fifth bhava. Not in this > life & #61514;. But another grahas in chart is responsible for some > problems > on generall plane. Lagnesh is strong in eight bhava, so person will > not suffer some serious health problems from that position of lagnesh. > But person maybe be involved in some verbal fights or some unmoral > things, when money matters is concerned. > > 2. " Shani is in 3rd from AL, so he may fight " > > Fight for what or with whom? > > Such Shani in fifth bhava don't bring fights generally. Such Shani > gives the person strong headed personality, stubborn and one track > minded personality, slow in studies, etc. > > My recommendation is Graha mantras, not for some God or Goddess, but > just for Grahas. Grahas is responsible for our karmas, if we look at > that way, that is some other responsible, and not we are for our > karmas. With such mantras you will be able to manipulate with karma in > some extent, and you will be able to do this specifically and with > focus in that area of life whose in problem. > > Graha mantras for Mahadasha and Antaradsaha lords is recommended, for > such things. > > With that knowledge you are able to fight and to take life in your > hands. With Graha mantras, you are independent from every kind of > " internet remedies " and from charlatans. Chant mantras for lordships > of Maha and Antardasha, and your life will be more prosperous. > > > > PLS REPLY & IF POSSIBLE IN THEIR GROUP, > REGARDS > SHAN > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Dear Shashank A lot of people have already written many things about your horoscope. Some of the points seems to be valid to some extent also. I am writing this since I find you in a totaly confused state, which is the core quality of this horoscope. A lot can be said & argued about it, but I would like to state only two things. A) you have a different path (goal) in your life B) it shall take such a turn by around 2013. Many mantras has been advocated to you recitation. You may or may not recite them (though i doubt very much it will do any good other than lift your confidence). In the horoscope both atma karaka - sun & mana karaka moon are debilated an in dwir-dwadsa and moon is not having paksha bala (not parasara theory). Moon represents the Ida Nadi - mother of other nadi's & Sun represents the pingala nadi- Father. The prana vayu transits through these main nadi's. In your horoscope, due to the above situation there is no harmony and unless you rectify it nothing will work. Hence I strongly advise you (a) to do pranayama regularly.(b) if are upto it recite devi mahatmyam every month as trisathi or sapthasathi accordance to your convenience. I am not here to argue and ask me more. If neccessary, note my email and contact me after 2 years. I hope others will not feel offended by this comment. may durga show you the light Suresh , " shan_chou2000 " <shan_chou2000 wrote: > > respected all; > my name is shashank & i have joined this group just now,,,,,i know > very basic jyotish, & whatever i know is due to sjc, i will always > remain thankful to u for introducing me to this greatest of > sciences,, > i try to study jyotish through shri pvr narsimha & guru visti > larsons Mp3's & various articles posted at sjcs sites,,,,,,,, > iam curious if u all can look at my chart & guide me about some > strang things in my life,,this is some kind of puzzle,,,,,, & for > that matter to whom should i ask abt this, rather than u,,,,,,, > MY BIRTH DATA IS AS FOLLOWS,, > DOB:-02/11/1978 > TOB:-17:40 > POB:- LATUR, MAHARASHATRA,INDIA 18N24,76E34 > MY QUESTIONS ARE, > ABOUT CURSE IN MY CHART,ARE THERE ANY CURSES IN MY CHARTS? I HAVE > SUFFERED A LOT IN RELATIONS TO PEOPLE BEFORE MY MARRIAGE, A VERY > STRANGE RELATION HAPPENED WITH ME, > > MY MARRIAGE HAPPENED VERY UNEXPECTEDLY, THE GIRL IS FROM POOR > FAMILY,AND OUR AGE DIFF. IS 9 YRS. AND NOW I HAVE A DAUGHTER ALSO. > > MY CAREER STARED VERY LATE I WAS AT HOME DURING 2002-2005,AFTER > THAT I JOINED A COMPANY,BUT IAM FELLINF LIKE DYING THERE SINCE LAST > 3 YRS.AND IAM FORCED TO DO THINGS WHICH I DONT WANT TO, > > PLS IF U COULD SOLVE THESE QUESTIONS, GUIDE ME.......... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 respected zoranji, its infact you that they are talking about, & you have said some things abt my chart, i dont know why are you not giving answers to people who oppose you, i believe in your teachings but indeed their are other views & thoughts also, in my viewif you are saying somethings abt somebodies life than you have to protect your thoughts, if you dont than your parampara will suffer, now very few people saying this but it will not take much time before large no of people will miss your teachings due to wrong publicity of yours, i regreat if i am saying too much , but this is what i have felt, this is a mail that you replyed to me 1yr ago:- RE: [Om Krishna Guru] my pranam to all jyotish gurus,,,,,,,,,,, Om Namah Shivaya, Dear Rafal, Why did you give priority to Laksmi sadhana? For marriage I understand, but for professional life, no help. Budha Mahadasha is breaking Kema Druma Yoga from Karakamsa, So budha as darakaraka promises to break poverty. However, Shani Antrardasha is running with panchami Shani, so there is a lot of problem in professional front.Shani in the 5th house causes Rajya Bhanga, and shows bad decisions and lack of appropriate decisions due to misguided intelligence. No matter how a person is intellient, he will suffer due to his bad choices/decisions. Shani does it due to his inherent weakness, which comes from badhak and wrong direction in career. Shani further is involved in Kema Druma Yoga in the dasha, so basically, due to such wrong decisions,he may experience poverty and bad health. Further, Lagnesh is in 8th house so due to inherent weakness in his character (anger, impatience) he will take very risky decissions, which are not good for his career. However, there are TWO good things: 1. Shani is in Simha, so the power of Shiva is there 2. Shani is in 3rd from AL, so he may fight. The only remedy for his professional problem is SHIVA JYOTIRLINGA MANTRA, Om Namah Shivaya Namah Rameshvaraja. This mantra should be continued for professional success, What Rafalji stated about Laksmi worship is very good for emotional life, However, I wouldn't recommend Matangi, though of course there is no harm, since Surya neech in 7th is a form of Devi/ Mother. Dear Rafal, Check the previous navamsa, Best wishes Zoran Zoran Radosavljevic www.siva-edu.110mb.com jyotish blog at www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com regards shan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 respected sudhirji, i have noticed your id & mail u exactly after 2 yrs , but iam not confused iam only trying to learn more abt my own chart even i dont care abt my future, hope iam not bothering you but this is the way iam, shan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Om Namah Shivaya, I still do not know about which people you are talking about, and if they have different opinion then my, I still do not beleive in uniform thinking. What you are saying is something I tried to do long time back, but it never resulted in some big change. People do stick to their beleives according to their karmas and guna. Many people challange and disbelive in Sanjayji teaching, and so what, he is not going and trying to turn their opinion. Even great rishis, and souls of previous and current age, people were disputed and had people who disagree. What I am trying to say, is that I understand your good will and advice, and appriciate it.However, whether somebody can damage paramapara or not is not in my nor their hands:) For example many jyotish schools follow thinking that Ketu has graha dristi on 5.7.9. houses. Our paramapara does not beleive so. No matter how much we disputed on various list earlier, nobody changed their opinion... Instead we should see whose methods work in practice, and time will tell which will survive. Thank you once again on friendly advice Best wishes Zoran Radosavljevic www.siva-edu.info www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com , " shan_chou2000 " <shan_chou2000 wrote: > > respected zoranji, its infact you that they are talking about, & you > have said some things abt my chart, i dont know why are you not > giving answers to people who oppose you, i believe in your teachings > but indeed their are other views & thoughts also, in my viewif you > are saying somethings abt somebodies life than you have to protect > your thoughts, if you dont than your parampara will suffer, now very > few people saying this but it will not take much time before large no > of people will miss your teachings due to wrong publicity of yours, i > regreat if i am saying too much , but this is what i have felt, > > this is a mail that you replyed to me 1yr ago:- > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] my pranam to all jyotish gurus,,,,,,,,,,, > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > Dear Rafal, > Why did you give priority to Laksmi sadhana? For marriage I > understand, but for professional life, no help. > Budha Mahadasha is breaking Kema Druma Yoga from Karakamsa, > So budha as darakaraka promises to break poverty. However, > Shani Antrardasha is running with panchami Shani, so there is a > lot of problem in professional front.Shani in the 5th house causes > Rajya Bhanga, and shows bad decisions > and lack of appropriate decisions due to misguided intelligence. No > matter how a person is intellient, he will > suffer due to his bad choices/decisions. Shani does it due to his > inherent weakness, which comes from > badhak and wrong direction in career. Shani further is involved in > Kema Druma Yoga in the dasha, so basically, > due to such wrong decisions,he may experience poverty and bad health. > Further, Lagnesh is in 8th house so > due to inherent weakness in his character (anger, impatience) he will > take very risky decissions, which are not > good for his career. > However, there are TWO good things: > 1. Shani is in Simha, so the power of Shiva is there > 2. Shani is in 3rd from AL, so he may fight. > The only remedy for his professional problem is SHIVA JYOTIRLINGA > MANTRA, Om Namah Shivaya Namah Rameshvaraja. > This mantra should be continued for professional success, What > Rafalji stated about Laksmi worship is very good for > emotional life, However, I wouldn't recommend Matangi, though of > course there is no harm, since Surya neech in 7th > is a form of Devi/ Mother. > Dear Rafal, Check the previous navamsa, > Best wishes > Zoran > Zoran Radosavljevic > www.siva-edu.110mb.com > > jyotish blog at > www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com > > > > regards > shan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 respected zoranji, my mistake i shouldnt be talking to you like this,i hope you will understand my thinking as a basic wonderer & studunt of jyotish, confused on different systems, regards & charansparsha shan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 respected gurujan thanku very much for ur time & reading, recently i have consulted to a astrologer who says:- 1. my birthchart shows that this is my last birth & i will not born again ( ketuin12th aspectedby jup) 2.i should have my property & fortune at a city near river, (jup exalin cancer4thH jala rasi) 3. after 12th feb i would make a change in profession & join business with a friend of mine,(sun entering capricon), after 2nd nov i willshift my family there & will earn large money through business transit ketu live cancer & enters leo, also sat will move to virgo) 4.current ketu dasa will be very good (ketu in 12th aspested,meena rasi by jup) 5. in ven mahadasa i would go on doing two business one onown & one in partnership & earen very huge money even this will make carorpati, (ven as 2 & 7thL place in 7thmalavya yoga) 6. wearing of Moti(formoon ) & paachu for mercury he has suggested, iam currently working in chemical company (as chemist) with very small salary, & looking to change my profession & join my friends business in march, Up to what extant he is right, hope you will share your thoughts regards & charansparsha shan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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