Thanks a lot For reply Majastra and pls reply doubts i have asked in ur answer

July 29, 2008

, " Maja

Strbac " <majastrbacastro wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Prathosh,

> Namaste

>

> Sorry to interfere to your question addressed to Visti Ji, but I

> would just like to sheer a few thoughts with you.

>

> (I'll copy/paste parts of your email and add comments)

>

> " 1.Does Curses really exists.....if yes ...what is proof "

>

> Yes they do exist. You can try to find proof if you ask people to

> sheer their own experiences about curses in their chart (of course,

> prior to this you must be well informed about curses issue and how

> to observe it in someone's chart) -OK AGREED

>

> " and Is that possible that if I have Very bad karma and if i come

to

> > ask astrology and whether that bad karma will give me wrong

> > prediction by any astrologer even Though they are accurate ones "

>

> Believe it or not, this can happened sometimes. Would you like me

to

> explain why that is so? -YES I WANT EXPLANATION PLS

>

> " 2.There is a Husband and wife...gets married and loves each other

> and

> > fights happens everything ok.....but why suddenly one day it

> becomes

> > extreme and they broke each other..........why this all

> happens.....i

> > mean how it happens...if u say again karma....how it happens all

> of

> > sudden and even if it brokes one suffer more and other does not

> > suffer or suffer less...........why like it .... "

>

> I don't understand what confuses you here. It is life. It is

people.

> It is human nature. This happens all over globe to so many couples.

> (There, I did not use " Karma " ) WHY DIVORCE HAPPENS THEN IS IT BEC

OF ONLY EGO ISSUES......

>

> " Example me and my Lover say A And B ... C Comes in middle...and B

> > Goes to C.....And A Is left alone....

> >

> > Now How will B Go to C....When A Is Loving.... "

>

> Again, this is human nature. These things can happen. So many

novels

> and poems were written throughout whole history of civilization

> about it. What is so confusing and surprising to you? It exists as

> long as human beings.

>

> " B " will just go, run off, chase own chance for happiness and love.

> Some people can be very selfish, you know and feel no guilt about

> it. - Question -THAT MEANS AT END OF THE DAY ALL ARE SELFISH

RIGHT...THAT MEANS IN THIS WORLD EVERYONE WANTS HAPPINESS SO THEY CAN

GO HOWEVER THEY WANT IS THAT LIKE THAT >????????

THEN AGAIN DOES IT MEANS

WIFE WILL EXPECT EMOTIONAL HAPPINESS FROM HUSBAND AND HUSBAND SHD

GIVE HAPPINESS AND NOT EXPECT ANYTHING????????????/

PLS REPLY.

> " A " has choice to be frustrated, angry, hurt, live in pain for the

> rest of life, to luck own heart, swear never to love again and

spend

> life in tears and misery. This is normal and human nature.- IN KALI

YUGA CAN U SHOW ME 1 PERSON WHO WILL NEVER LOVE AGAIN AND SPEND HIS

LIFE IN TEARS AND MISERY......

AND IS THERE SOMETHING CALLED TRUE LOVE IN KALI YUGA.........IF YES

WHAT IS TRUE LOVE PLS REPLY..

>

> There is another choice: to cry out, get up, wipe off the dust,

> continue to believe in good, continue to believe in love no matter

> what, to forgive and move on. This is hard and it takes lot of

> training and good will. But reward is worth of it-loving again.

>

> " How come People suddenly possible to get attracted to some person

> and

> > leave the other person........is it possible in world..........

> >

> > I am Suprised.........Pls reply Logically and Practically "

>

> Logical and practical explanation on emotional side of human

> nature?! I don't know... Maybe you are asking too much.

>

> (Pardon me if I am wrong, but you sound very scared to me. Don't be

> scared. You see, life usually brings us precisely in situations

> which we are deeply afraid of. Only to confront our fears and

> overcome them. There is nothing in life that you should be scared

> of. Your soul is eternal.) YOUR RIGHT I WAS HAVING FEAR ONCE...AND

SCARED...BUT EXPERIENCE HAD MADE ME A BETTER PERSON...NOW I AM READY

EVEN TO FACE SHANI GRAHA IF IT COMES ......I AM HAVING 1000 LION

CONFIDENCE...NOTHING CAN STOP MY GROWTH........ITS NOT

ARROGANT...JUST POSITIVE CONFIDENCE....AS REGARDS TO ASTROLOGY...I DO

RESPECT IT....BUT I FEEL....ITS NOT ALWAYS RIGHT.....

UR VIEWS HIGHLY APPRECIATED

THNKS

PRATHOSH

>

> Warm regards,

> Maya

>

> Hari Om Tat Sat

>

> , " prathoshg " <prathoshg@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hare Krishna

> >

> > 1.Does Curses really exists.....if yes ...what is proof

> >

> > and Is that possible that if i have Very bad karma and if i come

> to

> > ask astrology and whether that bad karma will give me wrong

> > prediction by any astrologer even Though they are accurate ones

> > ??????//

> >

> > 2.There is a Husband and wife...gets married and loves each other

> and

> > fights happens everything ok.....but why suddenly one day it

> becomes

> > extreme and they broke each other..........why this all

> happens.....i

> > mean how it happens...if u say again karma....how it happens all

> of

> > sudden and even if it brokes one suffer more and other does not

> > suffer or suffer less...........why like it ....

> >

> > 3.sanjay ji said i will have para dara dosha.....that is 3rd

> person

> > will come between couple and love will go towards other person

and

> i

> > will have one sided Love....perfect...

> >

> > Now my logic is

> >

> > Example me and my Lover say A And B ... C Comes in middle...and B

> > Goes to C.....And A Is left alone....

> >

> > Now How will B Go to C....When A Is Loving....

> >

> > If u say again Karma.....

> >

> > How come People suddenly possible to get attracted to some person

> and

> > leave the other person........is it possible in world..........

> >

> > I am Suprised.........Pls reply Logically and Practically

> >

> > Thanking u

> > Prathosh

> >

>

July 30, 2008

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Prathosh,

Namaste

" and Is that possible that if I have Very bad karma and if i come

to

> > ask astrology and whether that bad karma will give me wrong

> > prediction by any astrologer even Though they are accurate ones "

>

> Believe it or not, this can happened sometimes. Would you like me

to

> explain why that is so? -YES I WANT EXPLANATION PLS

I was having this experience myself. You do understand that I can

not give you details, of course. I'll have to use word " Karma " here,

sorry. Reading depends a lot on specific

moment in life of the one who asks for Jyotisha's advice. If it is

moment for someone to get a good advice and remedy, God will give

his

support to Jyotisha to provide it. Otherwise, if someone is meant to

pay off some Karma debt, go through unpleasant experience due to

that, then I am afraid that even the best Jyotisha in the world will

be unable to relief this in any way (meaning, " mistake " in a way can

happen). Sorry but abilities of Jyotisha directly depend on God's

will.

All this for the sake of: " You see, life usually brings us precisely

in situations which we are deeply afraid of. Only to confront our

fears and overcome them. " and similar to this.

" WHY DIVORCE HAPPENS THEN IS IT BEC

> OF ONLY EGO ISSUES...... "

Hm... We can use Jyotish here. Chandra is love/emotions, and Sukra

is desire. Do you find " Ego " in these Grahas? Why do you think that

abounding of partner is an " Ego " issue?

" THAT MEANS AT END OF THE DAY ALL ARE SELFISH

> RIGHT... "

I said " some people " not all.

THAT MEANS IN THIS WORLD EVERYONE WANTS HAPPINESS SO THEY CAN

> GO HOWEVER THEY WANT IS THAT LIKE THAT >???????? "

I believe that it is inborn in people to seek for happiness. All

people make choices how to accomplish this with all the wisdom they

have available at the moment. God is there to judge if their

choices are right or wrong.

" THEN AGAIN DOES IT MEANS

>

> WIFE WILL EXPECT EMOTIONAL HAPPINESS FROM HUSBAND AND HUSBAND SHD

> GIVE HAPPINESS AND NOT EXPECT ANYTHING????????????/

> PLS REPLY. "

You never heard of cases husbands abounding their wives? Maybe

your " case study " is not based on proper population sample... I

believe that you can find precise answer to your question in Sanjay

Ji's articles about Upa Pada. Read definition of Upa Pada (if you

are inpatient I'll just answer with " YES " and it refers to both

husband and wife. You should read those articles to learn " WHY " ).

" IN KALI

> YUGA CAN U SHOW ME 1 PERSON WHO WILL NEVER LOVE AGAIN AND SPEND

HIS

> LIFE IN TEARS AND MISERY...... "

There are such people. If I would go out on the street this very

second, I believe I would be able to make photography of at least 5

of such people within 15min. Some of them literally alone, some of

them in " tears and misery locked inside " trying to have a normal

relationship without dealing with this first.

" AND IS THERE SOMETHING CALLED TRUE LOVE IN KALI YUGA......... "

Yes, there is. I have one example in my own family (fits to

criteria " Kali Yuga " , don't worry).

" IF YES

> WHAT IS TRUE LOVE PLS REPLY.. "

You see... much wiser people than me tried to define this. Some very

wise minds wrote a whole book trying to make a definition of true

love. I don't think that I am smarter then them, so... I am sorry (I

am only able give you one practical example of it, but I really have

no intention to write a whole novel about my great grandmother here

on the list).

Yet again, you expect rational definition on emotional side of human

beings? Rational definition is Budh... hm... How far away from

Chandra...

" YOUR RIGHT I WAS HAVING FEAR ONCE...AND

> SCARED...BUT EXPERIENCE HAD MADE ME A BETTER PERSON...NOW I AM

READY

> EVEN TO FACE SHANI GRAHA IF IT COMES ......I AM HAVING 1000 LION

> CONFIDENCE...NOTHING CAN STOP MY GROWTH........ITS NOT

> ARROGANT...JUST POSITIVE CONFIDENCE.... "

That is the spirit. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger... and

wiser! Nuclear, cold and fiery weapon from one side and (as official

science claims) AIDS and cancer on the other side can kill you (Yet,

who cares, your soul is eternal.). All rest you can survive.

" AS REGARDS TO ASTROLOGY...I DO

> RESPECT IT....BUT I FEEL....ITS NOT ALWAYS RIGHT..... "

Jyotish is never wrong, but Jyotisha can be. Have this in mind.

We are all trying our best not to make an error.

Maybe you should take Visti Ji's advice about finding a Guru for

yourself. I am far from competent to answer all your questions, but

I am trying my best with all experience that I have.

Best Regards,

Maya

Hari Om Tat Sat

, " prathoshg " <prathoshg

wrote:

>

> , " Maja

> Strbac " <majastrbacastro@> wrote:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Prathosh,

> > Namaste

> >

> > Sorry to interfere to your question addressed to Visti Ji, but I

> > would just like to sheer a few thoughts with you.

> >

> > (I'll copy/paste parts of your email and add comments)

> >

> > " 1.Does Curses really exists.....if yes ...what is proof "

> >

> > Yes they do exist. You can try to find proof if you ask people

to

> > sheer their own experiences about curses in their chart (of

course,

> > prior to this you must be well informed about curses issue and

how

> > to observe it in someone's chart) -OK AGREED

> >

> > " and Is that possible that if I have Very bad karma and if i

come

> to

> > > ask astrology and whether that bad karma will give me wrong

> > > prediction by any astrologer even Though they are accurate

ones "

> >

> > Believe it or not, this can happened sometimes. Would you like

me

> to

> > explain why that is so? -YES I WANT EXPLANATION PLS

> >

> > " 2.There is a Husband and wife...gets married and loves each

other

> > and

> > > fights happens everything ok.....but why suddenly one day it

> > becomes

> > > extreme and they broke each other..........why this all

> > happens.....i

> > > mean how it happens...if u say again karma....how it happens

all

> > of

> > > sudden and even if it brokes one suffer more and other does

not

> > > suffer or suffer less...........why like it .... "

> >

> > I don't understand what confuses you here. It is life. It is

> people.

> > It is human nature. This happens all over globe to so many

couples.

> > (There, I did not use " Karma " ) WHY DIVORCE HAPPENS THEN IS IT

BEC

> OF ONLY EGO ISSUES......

>

> >

> > " Example me and my Lover say A And B ... C Comes in middle...and

B

> > > Goes to C.....And A Is left alone....

> > >

> > > Now How will B Go to C....When A Is Loving.... "

> >

> > Again, this is human nature. These things can happen. So many

> novels

> > and poems were written throughout whole history of civilization

> > about it. What is so confusing and surprising to you? It exists

as

> > long as human beings.

> >

> > " B " will just go, run off, chase own chance for happiness and

love.

> > Some people can be very selfish, you know and feel no guilt

about

> > it. - Question -THAT MEANS AT END OF THE DAY ALL ARE SELFISH

> RIGHT...THAT MEANS IN THIS WORLD EVERYONE WANTS HAPPINESS SO THEY

CAN

> GO HOWEVER THEY WANT IS THAT LIKE THAT >????????

> THEN AGAIN DOES IT MEANS

>

> WIFE WILL EXPECT EMOTIONAL HAPPINESS FROM HUSBAND AND HUSBAND SHD

> GIVE HAPPINESS AND NOT EXPECT ANYTHING????????????/

> PLS REPLY.

> > " A " has choice to be frustrated, angry, hurt, live in pain for

the

> > rest of life, to luck own heart, swear never to love again and

> spend

> > life in tears and misery. This is normal and human nature.- IN

KALI

> YUGA CAN U SHOW ME 1 PERSON WHO WILL NEVER LOVE AGAIN AND SPEND

HIS

> LIFE IN TEARS AND MISERY......

>

> AND IS THERE SOMETHING CALLED TRUE LOVE IN KALI YUGA.........IF

YES

> WHAT IS TRUE LOVE PLS REPLY..

> >

> > There is another choice: to cry out, get up, wipe off the dust,

> > continue to believe in good, continue to believe in love no

matter

> > what, to forgive and move on. This is hard and it takes lot of

> > training and good will. But reward is worth of it-loving again.

> >

> > " How come People suddenly possible to get attracted to some

person

> > and

> > > leave the other person........is it possible in world..........

> > >

> > > I am Suprised.........Pls reply Logically and Practically "

> >

> > Logical and practical explanation on emotional side of human

> > nature?! I don't know... Maybe you are asking too much.

> >

> > (Pardon me if I am wrong, but you sound very scared to me. Don't

be

> > scared. You see, life usually brings us precisely in situations

> > which we are deeply afraid of. Only to confront our fears and

> > overcome them. There is nothing in life that you should be

scared

> > of. Your soul is eternal.) YOUR RIGHT I WAS HAVING FEAR

ONCE...AND

> SCARED...BUT EXPERIENCE HAD MADE ME A BETTER PERSON...NOW I AM

READY

> EVEN TO FACE SHANI GRAHA IF IT COMES ......I AM HAVING 1000 LION

> CONFIDENCE...NOTHING CAN STOP MY GROWTH........ITS NOT

> ARROGANT...JUST POSITIVE CONFIDENCE....AS REGARDS TO ASTROLOGY...I

DO

> RESPECT IT....BUT I FEEL....ITS NOT ALWAYS RIGHT.....

> UR VIEWS HIGHLY APPRECIATED

>

> THNKS

> PRATHOSH

> >

> > Warm regards,

> > Maya

> >

> > Hari Om Tat Sat

> >

> > , " prathoshg " <prathoshg@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare Krishna

> > >

> > > 1.Does Curses really exists.....if yes ...what is proof

> > >

> > > and Is that possible that if i have Very bad karma and if i

come

> > to

> > > ask astrology and whether that bad karma will give me wrong

> > > prediction by any astrologer even Though they are accurate ones

> > > ??????//

> > >

> > > 2.There is a Husband and wife...gets married and loves each

other

> > and

> > > fights happens everything ok.....but why suddenly one day it

> > becomes

> > > extreme and they broke each other..........why this all

> > happens.....i

> > > mean how it happens...if u say again karma....how it happens

all

> > of

> > > sudden and even if it brokes one suffer more and other does

not

> > > suffer or suffer less...........why like it ....

> > >

> > > 3.sanjay ji said i will have para dara dosha.....that is 3rd

> > person

> > > will come between couple and love will go towards other person

> and

> > i

> > > will have one sided Love....perfect...

> > >

> > > Now my logic is

> > >

> > > Example me and my Lover say A And B ... C Comes in

middle...and B

> > > Goes to C.....And A Is left alone....

> > >

> > > Now How will B Go to C....When A Is Loving....

> > >

> > > If u say again Karma.....

> > >

> > > How come People suddenly possible to get attracted to some

person

> > and

> > > leave the other person........is it possible in world..........

> > >

> > > I am Suprised.........Pls reply Logically and Practically

> > >

> > > Thanking u

> > > Prathosh

> > >

> >

>

July 30, 2008

à¤“à¤®à¥ à¤²à¤•à¥à¤¶à¥à¤®à¤¿-à¤¨à¤°à¤¸à¤¿à¤®à¥à¤¹à¤¾à¤¯ à¤¨à¤®à¤¹à¥à¥¤à¥¤om lakÅ›mi-narasimhÄya namah|| Dear Prathosh and Maja, Maja, I appresiate your approach on the question.As the seaker and the questioner are striving to take this subject whole heartedly, I would suggest to read the article on love from an adwaita point of vieuw.Below is the address of the mentioned article. Greetings Job http://www.advaitapublications.com/articles.php?action=dtls & id=35To: From: majastrbacastroDate: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:33:49 +0000[Om Krishna Guru] Re: Thanks a lot For reply Majastra and pls reply doubts i have asked in ur answerOm Gurave NamahDear Prathosh,Namaste"and Is that possible that if I have Very bad karma and if i come to > > ask astrology and whether that bad karma will give me wrong > > prediction by any astrologer even Though they are accurate ones"> > Believe it or not, this can happened sometimes. Would you like me to > explain why that is so? -YES I WANT EXPLANATION PLS I was having this experience myself. You do understand that I can not give you details, of course. I'll have to use word "Karma" here, sorry. Reading depends a lot on specific moment in life of the one who asks for Jyotisha's advice. If it is moment for someone to get a good advice and remedy, God will give his support to Jyotisha to provide it. Otherwise, if someone is meant to pay off some Karma debt, go through unpleasant experience due to that, then I am afraid that even the best Jyotisha in the world will be unable to relief this in any way (meaning, "mistake" in a way can happen). Sorry but abilities of Jyotisha directly depend on God's will.All this for the sake of: "You see, life usually brings us precisely in situations which we are deeply afraid of. Only to confront our fears and overcome them." and similar to this."WHY DIVORCE HAPPENS THEN IS IT BEC > OF ONLY EGO ISSUES......"Hm... We can use Jyotish here. Chandra is love/emotions, and Sukra is desire. Do you find "Ego" in these Grahas? Why do you think that abounding of partner is an "Ego" issue?"THAT MEANS AT END OF THE DAY ALL ARE SELFISH > RIGHT..."I said "some people" not all.THAT MEANS IN THIS WORLD EVERYONE WANTS HAPPINESS SO THEY CAN > GO HOWEVER THEY WANT IS THAT LIKE THAT >????????"I believe that it is inborn in people to seek for happiness. All people make choices how to accomplish this with all the wisdom they have available at the moment. God is there to judge if their choices are right or wrong."THEN AGAIN DOES IT MEANS > > WIFE WILL EXPECT EMOTIONAL HAPPINESS FROM HUSBAND AND HUSBAND SHD > GIVE HAPPINESS AND NOT EXPECT ANYTHING????????????/> PLS REPLY."You never heard of cases husbands abounding their wives? Maybe your "case study" is not based on proper population sample... I believe that you can find precise answer to your question in Sanjay Ji's articles about Upa Pada. Read definition of Upa Pada (if you are inpatient I'll just answer with "YES" and it refers to both husband and wife. You should read those articles to learn "WHY")."IN KALI > YUGA CAN U SHOW ME 1 PERSON WHO WILL NEVER LOVE AGAIN AND SPEND HIS > LIFE IN TEARS AND MISERY......"There are such people. If I would go out on the street this very second, I believe I would be able to make photography of at least 5 of such people within 15min. Some of them literally alone, some of them in "tears and misery locked inside" trying to have a normal relationship without dealing with this first."AND IS THERE SOMETHING CALLED TRUE LOVE IN KALI YUGA........."Yes, there is. I have one example in my own family (fits to criteria "Kali Yuga", don't worry)."IF YES > WHAT IS TRUE LOVE PLS REPLY.."You see... much wiser people than me tried to define this. Some very wise minds wrote a whole book trying to make a definition of true love. I don't think that I am smarter then them, so... I am sorry (I am only able give you one practical example of it, but I really have no intention to write a whole novel about my great grandmother here on the list). Yet again, you expect rational definition on emotional side of human beings? Rational definition is Budh... hm... How far away from Chandra..."YOUR RIGHT I WAS HAVING FEAR ONCE...AND > SCARED...BUT EXPERIENCE HAD MADE ME A BETTER PERSON...NOW I AM READY > EVEN TO FACE SHANI GRAHA IF IT COMES ......I AM HAVING 1000 LION > CONFIDENCE...NOTHING CAN STOP MY GROWTH........ITS NOT > ARROGANT...JUST POSITIVE CONFIDENCE...."That is the spirit. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger... and wiser! Nuclear, cold and fiery weapon from one side and (as official science claims) AIDS and cancer on the other side can kill you (Yet, who cares, your soul is eternal.). All rest you can survive."AS REGARDS TO ASTROLOGY...I DO > RESPECT IT....BUT I FEEL....ITS NOT ALWAYS RIGHT....."Jyotish is never wrong, but Jyotisha can be. Have this in mind.We are all trying our best not to make an error.Maybe you should take Visti Ji's advice about finding a Guru for yourself. I am far from competent to answer all your questions, but I am trying my best with all experience that I have.Best Regards,MayaHari Om Tat Sat , "prathoshg" <prathoshg wrote:>> , "Maja > Strbac" <majastrbacastro@> wrote:> >> > Om Gurave Namah> > > > Dear Prathosh,> > Namaste> > > > > > Sorry to interfere to your question addressed to Visti Ji, but I > > would just like to sheer a few thoughts with you.> > > > (I'll copy/paste parts of your email and add comments)> > > > "1.Does Curses really exists.....if yes ...what is proof"> > > > Yes they do exist. You can try to find proof if you ask people to > > sheer their own experiences about curses in their chart (of course, > > prior to this you must be well informed about curses issue and how > > to observe it in someone's chart) -OK AGREED > > > > "and Is that possible that if I have Very bad karma and if i come > to > > > ask astrology and whether that bad karma will give me wrong > > > prediction by any astrologer even Though they are accurate ones"> > > > Believe it or not, this can happened sometimes. Would you like me > to > > explain why that is so? -YES I WANT EXPLANATION PLS > > > > "2.There is a Husband and wife...gets married and loves each other > > and > > > fights happens everything ok.....but why suddenly one day it > > becomes > > > extreme and they broke each other..........why this all > > happens.....i > > > mean how it happens...if u say again karma....how it happens all > > of > > > sudden and even if it brokes one suffer more and other does not > > > suffer or suffer less...........why like it ...."> > > > I don't understand what confuses you here. It is life. It is > people. > > It is human nature. This happens all over globe to so many couples. > > (There, I did not use "Karma") WHY DIVORCE HAPPENS THEN IS IT BEC > OF ONLY EGO ISSUES......> > > > > "Example me and my Lover say A And B ... C Comes in middle...and B > > > Goes to C.....And A Is left alone....> > > > > > Now How will B Go to C....When A Is Loving...."> > > > > > Again, this is human nature. These things can happen. So many > novels > > and poems were written throughout whole history of civilization > > about it. What is so confusing and surprising to you? It exists as > > long as human beings.> > > > "B" will just go, run off, chase own chance for happiness and love. > > Some people can be very selfish, you know and feel no guilt about > > it. - Question -THAT MEANS AT END OF THE DAY ALL ARE SELFISH > RIGHT...THAT MEANS IN THIS WORLD EVERYONE WANTS HAPPINESS SO THEY CAN > GO HOWEVER THEY WANT IS THAT LIKE THAT >????????> THEN AGAIN DOES IT MEANS > > WIFE WILL EXPECT EMOTIONAL HAPPINESS FROM HUSBAND AND HUSBAND SHD > GIVE HAPPINESS AND NOT EXPECT ANYTHING????????????/> PLS REPLY.> > "A" has choice to be frustrated, angry, hurt, live in pain for the > > rest of life, to luck own heart, swear never to love again and > spend > > life in tears and misery. This is normal and human nature.- IN KALI > YUGA CAN U SHOW ME 1 PERSON WHO WILL NEVER LOVE AGAIN AND SPEND HIS > LIFE IN TEARS AND MISERY......> > AND IS THERE SOMETHING CALLED TRUE LOVE IN KALI YUGA.........IF YES > WHAT IS TRUE LOVE PLS REPLY..> > > > There is another choice: to cry out, get up, wipe off the dust, > > continue to believe in good, continue to believe in love no matter > > what, to forgive and move on. This is hard and it takes lot of > > training and good will. But reward is worth of it-loving again.> > > > > > "How come People suddenly possible to get attracted to some person > > and > > > leave the other person........is it possible in world..........> > > > > > I am Suprised.........Pls reply Logically and Practically"> > > > > > Logical and practical explanation on emotional side of human > > nature?! I don't know... Maybe you are asking too much.> > > > > > (Pardon me if I am wrong, but you sound very scared to me. Don't be > > scared. You see, life usually brings us precisely in situations > > which we are deeply afraid of. Only to confront our fears and > > overcome them. There is nothing in life that you should be scared > > of. Your soul is eternal.) YOUR RIGHT I WAS HAVING FEAR ONCE...AND > SCARED...BUT EXPERIENCE HAD MADE ME A BETTER PERSON...NOW I AM READY > EVEN TO FACE SHANI GRAHA IF IT COMES ......I AM HAVING 1000 LION > CONFIDENCE...NOTHING CAN STOP MY GROWTH........ITS NOT > ARROGANT...JUST POSITIVE CONFIDENCE....AS REGARDS TO ASTROLOGY...I DO > RESPECT IT....BUT I FEEL....ITS NOT ALWAYS RIGHT.....> UR VIEWS HIGHLY APPRECIATED> > THNKS> PRATHOSH> > > > > > Warm regards,> > Maya> > > > Hari Om Tat Sat> > > > > > > > , "prathoshg" <prathoshg@> > > wrote:> > >> > > Hare Krishna> > > > > > 1.Does Curses really exists.....if yes ...what is proof > > > > > > and Is that possible that if i have Very bad karma and if i come > > to > > > ask astrology and whether that bad karma will give me wrong > > > prediction by any astrologer even Though they are accurate ones> > > ??????//> > > > > > > > > 2.There is a Husband and wife...gets married and loves each other > > and > > > fights happens everything ok.....but why suddenly one day it > > becomes > > > extreme and they broke each other..........why this all > > happens.....i > > > mean how it happens...if u say again karma....how it happens all > > of > > > sudden and even if it brokes one suffer more and other does not > > > suffer or suffer less...........why like it ....> > > > > > > > > > > > 3.sanjay ji said i will have para dara dosha.....that is 3rd > > person > > > will come between couple and love will go towards other person > and > > i > > > will have one sided Love....perfect...> > > > > > > > > > > > Now my logic is > > > > > > Example me and my Lover say A And B ... C Comes in middle...and B > > > Goes to C.....And A Is left alone....> > > > > > Now How will B Go to C....When A Is Loving....> > > > > > If u say again Karma.....> > > > > > > > > How come People suddenly possible to get attracted to some person > > and > > > leave the other person........is it possible in world..........> > > > > > I am Suprised.........Pls reply Logically and Practically> > > > > > Thanking u> > > Prathosh> > >> >> Ontdek de snelste manier van communiceren!

July 31, 2008

dear Job,thanks for this article by Dr Vijiai Shankar.I am a great fan of Dr Vijai Shankar having attended many of his discourses at various times.And does'nt he hit the nail on the head??None of us are the doer, just a witness.Advaita or Non -duality is all there is to life, living and love!!thanks Be Happy always! Dr

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Dear Prathosh and Maja,

Maja, I appresiate your approach on the question.

As the seaker and the questioner are striving to take this subject whole heartedly, I would suggest to read the article on love from an adwaita point of vieuw.

Below is the address of the mentioned article.

Greetings Job

http://www.advaitap ublications. com/articles. php?action= dtls & id=35

majastrbacastro@ Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:33:49 +0000[Om Krishna Guru] Re: Thanks a lot For reply Majastra and pls reply doubts i have asked in ur answer

Om Gurave NamahDear Prathosh,Namaste"and Is that possible that if I have Very bad karma and if i come to > > ask astrology and whether that bad karma will give me wrong > > prediction by any astrologer even Though they are accurate ones"> > Believe it or not, this can happened sometimes. Would you like me to > explain why that is so? -YES I WANT EXPLANATION PLS I was having this experience myself. You do understand that I can not give you details, of course. I'll have to use word "Karma" here, sorry. Reading depends a lot on specific moment in life of the one who asks for Jyotisha's advice. If it is moment for someone to get a good advice and remedy, God will give his support to Jyotisha to provide it. Otherwise, if someone is meant to pay off some Karma debt, go through unpleasant experience due to that, then I am afraid that even the best

Jyotisha in the world will be unable to relief this in any way (meaning, "mistake" in a way can happen). Sorry but abilities of Jyotisha directly depend on God's will.All this for the sake of: "You see, life usually brings us precisely in situations which we are deeply afraid of. Only to confront our fears and overcome them." and similar to this."WHY DIVORCE HAPPENS THEN IS IT BEC > OF ONLY EGO ISSUES...... "Hm... We can use Jyotish here. Chandra is love/emotions, and Sukra is desire. Do you find "Ego" in these Grahas? Why do you think that abounding of partner is an "Ego" issue?"THAT MEANS AT END OF THE DAY ALL ARE SELFISH > RIGHT..."I said "some people" not all.THAT MEANS IN THIS WORLD EVERYONE WANTS HAPPINESS SO THEY CAN > GO HOWEVER THEY WANT IS THAT LIKE THAT >????????"I believe that it is inborn in people to seek for happiness. All

people make choices how to accomplish this with all the wisdom they have available at the moment. God is there to judge if their choices are right or wrong."THEN AGAIN DOES IT MEANS > > WIFE WILL EXPECT EMOTIONAL HAPPINESS FROM HUSBAND AND HUSBAND SHD > GIVE HAPPINESS AND NOT EXPECT ANYTHING???? ????????/> PLS REPLY."You never heard of cases husbands abounding their wives? Maybe your "case study" is not based on proper population sample... I believe that you can find precise answer to your question in Sanjay Ji's articles about Upa Pada. Read definition of Upa Pada (if you are inpatient I'll just answer with "YES" and it refers to both husband and wife. You should read those articles to learn "WHY")."IN KALI > YUGA CAN U SHOW ME 1 PERSON WHO WILL NEVER LOVE AGAIN AND SPEND HIS > LIFE IN TEARS AND MISERY...... "There are such people. If I would

go out on the street this very second, I believe I would be able to make photography of at least 5 of such people within 15min. Some of them literally alone, some of them in "tears and misery locked inside" trying to have a normal relationship without dealing with this first."AND IS THERE SOMETHING CALLED TRUE LOVE IN KALI YUGA........ ."Yes, there is. I have one example in my own family (fits to criteria "Kali Yuga", don't worry)."IF YES > WHAT IS TRUE LOVE PLS REPLY.."You see... much wiser people than me tried to define this. Some very wise minds wrote a whole book trying to make a definition of true love. I don't think that I am smarter then them, so... I am sorry (I am only able give you one practical example of it, but I really have no intention to write a whole novel about my great grandmother here on the list). Yet again, you expect rational definition on

emotional side of human beings? Rational definition is Budh... hm... How far away from Chandra..."YOUR RIGHT I WAS HAVING FEAR ONCE...AND > SCARED...BUT EXPERIENCE HAD MADE ME A BETTER PERSON...NOW I AM READY > EVEN TO FACE SHANI GRAHA IF IT COMES ......I AM HAVING 1000 LION > CONFIDENCE.. .NOTHING CAN STOP MY GROWTH...... ..ITS NOT > ARROGANT...JUST POSITIVE CONFIDENCE.. .."That is the spirit. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger... and wiser! Nuclear, cold and fiery weapon from one side and (as official science claims) AIDS and cancer on the other side can kill you (Yet, who cares, your soul is eternal.). All rest you can survive."AS REGARDS TO ASTROLOGY... I DO > RESPECT IT....BUT I FEEL....ITS NOT ALWAYS RIGHT....."Jyotish is never wrong, but Jyotisha can be. Have this in mind.We are all trying our best not to make an error.Maybe you should

take Visti Ji's advice about finding a Guru for yourself. I am far from competent to answer all your questions, but I am trying my best with all experience that I have.Best Regards,MayaHari Om Tat Sat, "prathoshg" <prathoshg@. ..> wrote:>> , "Maja > Strbac" <majastrbacastro@ > wrote:> >> > Om Gurave Namah> > > > Dear Prathosh,> > Namaste> > > > > > Sorry to interfere to your question addressed to Visti Ji, but I > > would just like to sheer a few thoughts with

you.> > > > (I'll copy/paste parts of your email and add comments)> > > > "1.Does Curses really exists.....if yes ...what is proof"> > > > Yes they do exist. You can try to find proof if you ask people to > > sheer their own experiences about curses in their chart (of course, > > prior to this you must be well informed about curses issue and how > > to observe it in someone's chart) -OK AGREED > > > > "and Is that possible that if I have Very bad karma and if i come > to > > > ask astrology and whether that bad karma will give me wrong > > > prediction by any astrologer even Though they are accurate ones"> > > > Believe it or not, this can happened sometimes. Would you like me > to > > explain why that is so? -YES I WANT EXPLANATION PLS > >

> > "2.There is a Husband and wife...gets married and loves each other > > and > > > fights happens everything ok.....but why suddenly one day it > > becomes > > > extreme and they broke each other....... ...why this all > > happens..... i > > > mean how it happens...if u say again karma....how it happens all > > of > > > sudden and even if it brokes one suffer more and other does not > > > suffer or suffer less........ ...why like it ...."> > > > I don't understand what confuses you here. It is life. It is > people. > > It is human nature. This happens all over globe to so many couples. > > (There, I did not use "Karma") WHY DIVORCE HAPPENS THEN IS IT BEC > OF ONLY EGO ISSUES......> > > > > "Example me and my Lover say A And B ... C Comes

in middle...and B > > > Goes to C.....And A Is left alone....> > > > > > Now How will B Go to C....When A Is Loving...."> > > > > > Again, this is human nature. These things can happen. So many > novels > > and poems were written throughout whole history of civilization > > about it. What is so confusing and surprising to you? It exists as > > long as human beings.> > > > "B" will just go, run off, chase own chance for happiness and love. > > Some people can be very selfish, you know and feel no guilt about > > it. - Question -THAT MEANS AT END OF THE DAY ALL ARE SELFISH > RIGHT...THAT MEANS IN THIS WORLD EVERYONE WANTS HAPPINESS SO THEY CAN > GO HOWEVER THEY WANT IS THAT LIKE THAT >????????> THEN AGAIN DOES IT MEANS > > WIFE WILL EXPECT EMOTIONAL

HAPPINESS FROM HUSBAND AND HUSBAND SHD > GIVE HAPPINESS AND NOT EXPECT ANYTHING???? ????????/> PLS REPLY.> > "A" has choice to be frustrated, angry, hurt, live in pain for the > > rest of life, to luck own heart, swear never to love again and > spend > > life in tears and misery. This is normal and human nature.- IN KALI > YUGA CAN U SHOW ME 1 PERSON WHO WILL NEVER LOVE AGAIN AND SPEND HIS > LIFE IN TEARS AND MISERY......> > AND IS THERE SOMETHING CALLED TRUE LOVE IN KALI YUGA........ .IF YES > WHAT IS TRUE LOVE PLS REPLY..> > > > There is another choice: to cry out, get up, wipe off the dust, > > continue to believe in good, continue to believe in love no matter > > what, to forgive and move on. This is hard and it takes lot of > > training and good will. But reward is worth of it-loving

again.> > > > > > "How come People suddenly possible to get attracted to some person > > and > > > leave the other person...... ..is it possible in world....... ...> > > > > > I am Suprised.... .....Pls reply Logically and Practically"> > > > > > Logical and practical explanation on emotional side of human > > nature?! I don't know... Maybe you are asking too much.> > > > > > (Pardon me if I am wrong, but you sound very scared to me. Don't be > > scared. You see, life usually brings us precisely in situations > > which we are deeply afraid of. Only to confront our fears and > > overcome them. There is nothing in life that you should be scared > > of. Your soul is eternal.) YOUR RIGHT I WAS HAVING FEAR ONCE...AND > SCARED...BUT EXPERIENCE HAD

MADE ME A BETTER PERSON...NOW I AM READY > EVEN TO FACE SHANI GRAHA IF IT COMES ......I AM HAVING 1000 LION > CONFIDENCE.. .NOTHING CAN STOP MY GROWTH...... ..ITS NOT > ARROGANT...JUST POSITIVE CONFIDENCE.. ..AS REGARDS TO ASTROLOGY... I DO > RESPECT IT....BUT I FEEL....ITS NOT ALWAYS RIGHT.....> UR VIEWS HIGHLY APPRECIATED> > THNKS> PRATHOSH> > > > > > Warm regards,> > Maya> > > > Hari Om Tat Sat> > > > > > > > , "prathoshg" <prathoshg@> > > wrote:> > >> > > Hare Krishna> > > > > > 1.Does Curses really exists.....if yes ...what is proof > > > >

> > and Is that possible that if i have Very bad karma and if i come > > to > > > ask astrology and whether that bad karma will give me wrong > > > prediction by any astrologer even Though they are accurate ones> > > ??????//> > > > > > > > > 2.There is a Husband and wife...gets married and loves each other > > and > > > fights happens everything ok.....but why suddenly one day it > > becomes > > > extreme and they broke each other....... ...why this all > > happens..... i > > > mean how it happens...if u say again karma....how it happens all > > of > > > sudden and even if it brokes one suffer more and other does not > > > suffer or suffer less........ ...why like it ....> > > > > > > > > > >

> 3.sanjay ji said i will have para dara dosha.....that is 3rd > > person > > > will come between couple and love will go towards other person > and > > i > > > will have one sided Love....perfect. ..> > > > > > > > > > > > Now my logic is > > > > > > Example me and my Lover say A And B ... C Comes in middle...and B > > > Goes to C.....And A Is left alone....> > > > > > Now How will B Go to C....When A Is Loving....> > > > > > If u say again Karma.....> > > > > > > > > How come People suddenly possible to get attracted to some person > > and > > > leave the other person...... ..is it possible in world....... ...> > > > > > I am Suprised.... .....Pls reply

Logically and Practically> > > > > > Thanking u> > > Prathosh> > >> >> Ontdek de snelste manier van communiceren!

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