Dear Job & Prathosh

[Guest guest]

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste to both of you,

 

Dear Job: Nice article. Though I disagree with that point " no need

to say what you feel out loud " . I don't know... there are different

kinds of love to our closest. I can only say from my personal

experience that my relation with my family members improved a lot

since I am showing them how much I love them no matter what kind of

response there is from their side. It became pretty much two sided

so far... Somebody has to do that first. Have in mind that we are

all just human beings. I think my parents understand much better

when I tell them how much I love them and hug them comparing to

reading this article and trying to explain that my love to them is

just a part of my false Ego and that it is just an illusion, so no

need to say or show anything. They gave me life on this Earth and I

believe that I have an obligation to respect that fact and to show

them how much I appreciate it in every way (sorry, so far the only

thing they understand with their modest mind is a hug, " I love you "

and doing something for them). After all, they are God on this

planet for me by bringing me in to this world.

 

But theories are nice... There are so many of them.

 

And I completely agree that there is no definition of love.

 

 

 

Dear Prathosh: You can chose to spend rest of your life trying to

find short or long definition of true love. I wish you good luck to

be the first person in history who accomplished that.

 

Somehow I have an impression that definition of true love is not

really what you are after.

 

You are trying to find proof that it exists. You are trying to find

verification and guarantee that it does exist, that there is true

love for you, that it will last for life time and that you shall be

happily ever after with someone. Sorry, there are no verifications

and guaranties for true love. Do you really want to waste your

valuable life on this?

 

(I am so sorry for being this hard on you. I am trying to reach you

somehow. I feel that you are badly disappointed in partnership and I

am trying to get you out of that in any way that I can. And your

words " I am brave like a lion " they don't sound too convincing to me

yet (I am not the one you should assure that you are not afraid of

anything). They don't sound convincing since you wrote them at the

very bottom of your email... after trying to find an answer for

proof of true love in 70% of your writing. One will try to get up

only after realizing he tripped and fell down.)

 

Trying to find proof and guarantee for true love would be pretty

much like asking God to appear on Earth for you, to prove

exclusively to you that He exists. Sorry, you have to believe in

God, it is the only option you have. You must have faith in God.

Otherwise you may feel very lonely and that life makes no sense at

all.

 

BTW is there definition of God? One single universal short

definition?

 

" Is there true love in Kali Yuga? " you asked. I remembered one more

example in the meanwhile. Sanjay Ji & Sarbani Ji (I do hope that

they won't mind for mentioning their privacy here, it is for

someone's best. I apologize in advance.). Have you ever seen them

together? You should. It brings back faith in true love instantly.

First time I saw them both in the same room, yet some 10 feet apart

from each other, I was not informed that they are together and

having plan to get married somewhere at the end of that year.

This " it " between them " flushed " me when I stepped in that room. It

is so strong. Considering this I do believe that they are very happy

with each other. That is why I blindly accept everything Sanjay Ji

ever wrote about concept of Upa Pada. He showed on example of his

own life that it works. I fully trust on advices and teaching only

from people who are satisfied with their own life. (Ok, I am a human

being, I need to be assured in some way in theory)

 

Have I convinced you to read those articles? There is a good

instruction in them I assure you. I just think you need " HOW " more

than definition. What I am aiming at about this instruction is " Upa

Pada is giving " . Partnership is giving dear Prathosh... without any

expectations from other side. And having faith that it will all turn

out well after all (So what if it doesn't? So what? You will cry it

out, get up, wipe off the dust from your shoulder, forgive, still

continue to believe in good and in true love no matter what, because

this is the only way to find it. This life or next.)

 

Give unselfishly and show what you feel. Be there for your beloved

when you find one. I assure you that your beloved will give back

love in return. Someone has to start it first. Be that " first " and

have faith no matter what.

 

(BTW I like to cook also. I will just add that I have never shared a

recipe without testing it first.)

 

Please, please, please find yourself a Guru. I don't think that you

are able to go through this alone. Find a Guru as soon as possible,

please. But first ask him/her is he/she satisfied with his/her life.

 

(I'll forward you one email from Lakshmi Ji on other occasion. You

may find some useful points for yourself in her writing)

 

My warmest regards to you both (Job & Pratosh),

Maya

 

Hari Om Tat Sat

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, job rodenburg

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> ठ" मॠलकà¥à¤¶à¥à¤®à¤¿-नरसिमà¥à¤¹à¤¾à¤¯

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> om lakÅ›mi-narasimhÄya namah||

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> Dear Prathosh and Maja,

>

> Maja, I appresiate your approach on the question.

> As the seaker and the questioner are striving to take this subject

whole heartedly, I would suggest to read the article on love from an

adwaita point of vieuw.

> Below is the address of the mentioned article.

> Greetings Job

>

>

> http://www.advaitapublications.com/articles.php?action=dtls & id=35

>

> : majastrbacastro: Wed, 30 Jul 2008

15:33:49 +0000[Om Krishna Guru] Re: Thanks a lot For reply

Majastra and pls reply doubts i have asked in ur answer

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> Om Gurave NamahDear Prathosh,Namaste " and Is that possible that if

I have Very bad karma and if i come to > > ask astrology and whether

that bad karma will give me wrong > > prediction by any astrologer

even Though they are accurate ones " > > Believe it or not, this can

happened sometimes. Would you like me to > explain why that is so? -

YES I WANT EXPLANATION PLS I was having this experience myself. You

do understand that I can not give you details, of course. I'll have

to use word " Karma " here, sorry. Reading depends a lot on specific

moment in life of the one who asks for Jyotisha's advice. If it is

moment for someone to get a good advice and remedy, God will give

his support to Jyotisha to provide it. Otherwise, if someone is

meant to pay off some Karma debt, go through unpleasant experience

due to that, then I am afraid that even the best Jyotisha in the

world will be unable to relief this in any way (meaning, " mistake "

in a way can happen). Sorry but abilities of Jyotisha directly

depend on God's will.All this for the sake of: " You see, life

usually brings us precisely in situations which we are deeply afraid

of. Only to confront our fears and overcome them. " and similar to

this. " WHY DIVORCE HAPPENS THEN IS IT BEC > OF ONLY EGO

ISSUES...... " Hm... We can use Jyotish here. Chandra is

love/emotions, and Sukra is desire. Do you find " Ego " in these

Grahas? Why do you think that abounding of partner is an " Ego "

issue? " THAT MEANS AT END OF THE DAY ALL ARE SELFISH > RIGHT... " I

said " some people " not all.THAT MEANS IN THIS WORLD EVERYONE WANTS

HAPPINESS SO THEY CAN > GO HOWEVER THEY WANT IS THAT LIKE THAT

>???????? " I believe that it is inborn in people to seek for

happiness. All people make choices how to accomplish this with all

the wisdom they have available at the moment. God is there to judge

if their choices are right or wrong. " THEN AGAIN DOES IT MEANS > >

WIFE WILL EXPECT EMOTIONAL HAPPINESS FROM HUSBAND AND HUSBAND SHD >

GIVE HAPPINESS AND NOT EXPECT ANYTHING????????????/> PLS REPLY. " You

never heard of cases husbands abounding their wives? Maybe

your " case study " is not based on proper population sample... I

believe that you can find precise answer to your question in Sanjay

Ji's articles about Upa Pada. Read definition of Upa Pada (if you

are inpatient I'll just answer with " YES " and it refers to both

husband and wife. You should read those articles to learn " WHY " ). " IN

KALI > YUGA CAN U SHOW ME 1 PERSON WHO WILL NEVER LOVE AGAIN AND

SPEND HIS > LIFE IN TEARS AND MISERY...... " There are such people. If

I would go out on the street this very second, I believe I would be

able to make photography of at least 5 of such people within 15min.

Some of them literally alone, some of them in " tears and misery

locked inside " trying to have a normal relationship without dealing

with this first. " AND IS THERE SOMETHING CALLED TRUE LOVE IN KALI

YUGA......... " Yes, there is. I have one example in my own family

(fits to criteria " Kali Yuga " , don't worry). " IF YES > WHAT IS TRUE

LOVE PLS REPLY.. " You see... much wiser people than me tried to

define this. Some very wise minds wrote a whole book trying to make

a definition of true love. I don't think that I am smarter then

them, so... I am sorry (I am only able give you one practical

example of it, but I really have no intention to write a whole novel

about my great grandmother here on the list). Yet again, you expect

rational definition on emotional side of human beings? Rational

definition is Budh... hm... How far away from Chandra... " YOUR RIGHT

I WAS HAVING FEAR ONCE...AND > SCARED...BUT EXPERIENCE HAD MADE ME A

BETTER PERSON...NOW I AM READY > EVEN TO FACE SHANI GRAHA IF IT

COMES ......I AM HAVING 1000 LION > CONFIDENCE...NOTHING CAN STOP MY

GROWTH........ITS NOT > ARROGANT...JUST POSITIVE CONFIDENCE.... " That

is the spirit. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger... and

wiser! Nuclear, cold and fiery weapon from one side and (as official

science claims) AIDS and cancer on the other side can kill you (Yet,

who cares, your soul is eternal.). All rest you can survive. " AS

REGARDS TO ASTROLOGY...I DO > RESPECT IT....BUT I FEEL....ITS NOT

ALWAYS RIGHT..... " Jyotish is never wrong, but Jyotisha can be. Have

this in mind.We are all trying our best not to make an error.Maybe

you should take Visti Ji's advice about finding a Guru for yourself.

I am far from competent to answer all your questions, but I am

trying my best with all experience that I have.Best Regards,MayaHari

Om Tat Sat , " prathoshg "

<prathoshg@> wrote:>> , " Maja >

Strbac " <majastrbacastro@> wrote:> >> > Om Gurave Namah> > > > Dear

Prathosh,> > Namaste> > > > > > Sorry to interfere to your question

addressed to Visti Ji, but I > > would just like to sheer a few

thoughts with you.> > > > (I'll copy/paste parts of your email and

add comments)> > > > " 1.Does Curses really exists.....if yes ...what

is proof " > > > > Yes they do exist. You can try to find proof if you

ask people to > > sheer their own experiences about curses in their

chart (of course, > > prior to this you must be well informed about

curses issue and how > > to observe it in someone's chart) -OK

AGREED > > > > " and Is that possible that if I have Very bad karma

and if i come > to > > > ask astrology and whether that bad karma

will give me wrong > > > prediction by any astrologer even Though

they are accurate ones " > > > > Believe it or not, this can happened

sometimes. Would you like me > to > > explain why that is so? -YES I

WANT EXPLANATION PLS > > > > " 2.There is a Husband and wife...gets

married and loves each other > > and > > > fights happens everything

ok.....but why suddenly one day it > > becomes > > > extreme and

they broke each other..........why this all > > happens.....i > > >

mean how it happens...if u say again karma....how it happens all > >

of > > > sudden and even if it brokes one suffer more and other does

not > > > suffer or suffer less...........why like it .... " > > > > I

don't understand what confuses you here. It is life. It is > people.

> > It is human nature. This happens all over globe to so many

couples. > > (There, I did not use " Karma " ) WHY DIVORCE HAPPENS THEN

IS IT BEC > OF ONLY EGO ISSUES......> > > > > " Example me and my

Lover say A And B ... C Comes in middle...and B > > > Goes to

C.....And A Is left alone....> > > > > > Now How will B Go to

C....When A Is Loving.... " > > > > > > Again, this is human nature.

These things can happen. So many > novels > > and poems were written

throughout whole history of civilization > > about it. What is so

confusing and surprising to you? It exists as > > long as human

beings.> > > > " B " will just go, run off, chase own chance for

happiness and love. > > Some people can be very selfish, you know

and feel no guilt about > > it. - Question -THAT MEANS AT END OF THE

DAY ALL ARE SELFISH > RIGHT...THAT MEANS IN THIS WORLD EVERYONE

WANTS HAPPINESS SO THEY CAN > GO HOWEVER THEY WANT IS THAT LIKE THAT

>????????> THEN AGAIN DOES IT MEANS > > WIFE WILL EXPECT EMOTIONAL

HAPPINESS FROM HUSBAND AND HUSBAND SHD > GIVE HAPPINESS AND NOT

EXPECT ANYTHING????????????/> PLS REPLY.> > " A " has choice to be

frustrated, angry, hurt, live in pain for the > > rest of life, to

luck own heart, swear never to love again and > spend > > life in

tears and misery. This is normal and human nature.- IN KALI > YUGA

CAN U SHOW ME 1 PERSON WHO WILL NEVER LOVE AGAIN AND SPEND HIS >

LIFE IN TEARS AND MISERY......> > AND IS THERE SOMETHING CALLED TRUE

LOVE IN KALI YUGA.........IF YES > WHAT IS TRUE LOVE PLS REPLY..> >

> > There is another choice: to cry out, get up, wipe off the dust,

> > continue to believe in good, continue to believe in love no

matter > > what, to forgive and move on. This is hard and it takes

lot of > > training and good will. But reward is worth of it-loving

again.> > > > > > " How come People suddenly possible to get

attracted to some person > > and > > > leave the other

person........is it possible in world..........> > > > > > I am

Suprised.........Pls reply Logically and Practically " > > > > > >

Logical and practical explanation on emotional side of human > >

nature?! I don't know... Maybe you are asking too much.> > > > > >

(Pardon me if I am wrong, but you sound very scared to me. Don't be

> > scared. You see, life usually brings us precisely in situations

> > which we are deeply afraid of. Only to confront our fears and >

> overcome them. There is nothing in life that you should be scared

> > of. Your soul is eternal.) YOUR RIGHT I WAS HAVING FEAR

ONCE...AND > SCARED...BUT EXPERIENCE HAD MADE ME A BETTER

PERSON...NOW I AM READY > EVEN TO FACE SHANI GRAHA IF IT

COMES ......I AM HAVING 1000 LION > CONFIDENCE...NOTHING CAN STOP MY

GROWTH........ITS NOT > ARROGANT...JUST POSITIVE CONFIDENCE....AS

REGARDS TO ASTROLOGY...I DO > RESPECT IT....BUT I FEEL....ITS NOT

ALWAYS RIGHT.....> UR VIEWS HIGHLY APPRECIATED> > THNKS> PRATHOSH> >

> > > > Warm regards,> > Maya> > > > Hari Om Tat Sat> > > > > > > > -

-- In , " prathoshg " <prathoshg@> > >

wrote:> > >> > > Hare Krishna> > > > > > 1.Does Curses really

exists.....if yes ...what is proof > > > > > > and Is that possible

that if i have Very bad karma and if i come > > to > > > ask

astrology and whether that bad karma will give me wrong > > >

prediction by any astrologer even Though they are accurate ones> >

> ??????//> > > > > > > > > 2.There is a Husband and wife...gets

married and loves each other > > and > > > fights happens everything

ok.....but why suddenly one day it > > becomes > > > extreme and

they broke each other..........why this all > > happens.....i > > >

mean how it happens...if u say again karma....how it happens all > >

of > > > sudden and even if it brokes one suffer more and other does

not > > > suffer or suffer less...........why like it ....> > > > >

> > > > > > > 3.sanjay ji said i will have para dara dosha.....that

is 3rd > > person > > > will come between couple and love will go

towards other person > and > > i > > > will have one sided

Love....perfect...> > > > > > > > > > > > Now my logic is > > > > >

> Example me and my Lover say A And B ... C Comes in middle...and B

> > > Goes to C.....And A Is left alone....> > > > > > Now How will

B Go to C....When A Is Loving....> > > > > > If u say again

Karma.....> > > > > > > > > How come People suddenly possible to get

attracted to some person > > and > > > leave the other

person........is it possible in world..........> > > > > > I am

Suprised.........Pls reply Logically and Practically> > > > > >

Thanking u> > > Prathosh> > >> >_______________

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