visti new case study NO CHILDREN: Please help danger to children?

March 12, 2009

Hare Rama Krsna ||

Dear Lakshmi, Maja,

A few thoughts:

Mars and Saturn conjunction in 1st/7th house is not good for mental stability,

here it is badhaksthana, and Mars is AK in MKS. 5th house is afflicted and 5th

lord going to 8th is not good for citta, especially under papakartari shows a

lot of pressure. There are two vakra graha in arudha lagna which shows going

against the establishment. Lagna lord in 9th is a person who seeks freedom and

in the sign kumbha under curse can show someone who will not conform and will

break rules. In this case the free wheeling attitude was experienced through

spouse as Mercury is the lord of first UL in Kanya showing the first husband

breaking the law and probably being involved with drugs (Sun/Rahu).

Guruchandala yoga is in 2nd house and he was murdered in prison.

2nd UL has Ketu in Aries which fits the description you gave.

Since Moon is in the 3rd house we should use Vimshottari from Utpana tara.

Jupiter dasa was running since her early twenties. Jupiter is also Ishta

Devata. Moola dasa was Rahu and then Jupiter.

In a women's chart should we look at 5th house for children?

Regards,

Michal

, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

> Dear Maja,

> Thank-you for your reply.

> Here is a bit more info.

> She is always struggling financially.

> Currently this lady is a teacher, before that she was stay at home mother. She

is a religious and sentimental lady, very good hearted, loves her children

dearly, raised them almost entirely herself because husbands werent around.

> .Her children are struggling to make a place for themselves in life. The

younger 2 come into some dangerous situations past few years.

> First childs father went to prison when child was just a few years, he was

killed in prison, even though he wasnt supposed to be in there for very long.

> The second husband and father of the younger 2 children was an angry man and

left her, after the birth of her son. He passed away a few years ago.

> She has had some misc short lived relationships in between, but has since

given up on finding another spouse.

> Best wishes

> Lakshmi

>

> --- On Thu, 3/12/09, majastrbacastro <majastrbacastro wrote:

>

> majastrbacastro <majastrbacastro

> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] visti new case study Re: NO CHILDREN: Please

help danger to children?

>

> Thursday, March 12, 2009, 11:59 AM

>

Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Lakshmi,

>

> This Maha Dasa doesn't necessarily mean a threat to children, since grahas

placed in bhava refer on approach to certain life area. Since malefic is placed

there, her attitude towards own children is not really example of perfect

attitude. Also, this same combination of 9th and 7th lord as Rahu/Guru could

show that children came sudden while she was still in relationship with her ex

(late) husband even before they made a concrete decision to get married.

>

> Rahu MD can bring lack of support for her own ideals (9th) and desires (7th)

in some relation with children, for example. For Ra/Gu combination Shiva mantras

are solution. Shiva Panchakshari seems very nice for her (Namah Shivaya). I

would be more worried for her health since 2nd bhava from AD is A8. (Guru is

badhakesh, joined Ra in 5th, how is she doing with gall bladder?)

>

> Lord of 5th bhava placed in 8th shows that concrete decisions related to

children are quite good for children, but not necessarily for this lady. A5 is

how children manifest in this world. Joined with Sukra, they can be pretty much

charming It is not so good that A5 is joined with A6 though.

>

> Lives of each individual child are to be seen from Saptamsha chart (and

threats too). Dear, here I come to the point where I have a serious problem,

since I am having some 5-7 different versions available on how this divisional

chart should be interpreted. I am holding my fingers crossed to see Visti here

included.

>

> BTW are these children from first marriage or was there a relationship/

marriage before?

>

> Warm Regards,

> Maja Strbac

>

> Hari Om Tat Sat

>

> --- On Thu, 3/12/09, lakshmikary <lakshmikary@ > wrote:

>

> lakshmikary <lakshmikary@ >

> [Om Krishna Guru] visti new case study Re: NO CHILDREN: Please help

danger to children?

>

> Thursday, March 12, 2009, 9:40 AM

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

> Dear Visti,

> Hope you can enlighten me on this case.

> This is the single mother of 3 children, for reference her ex husband passed

away a few years ago while Saturn was in gemini/cancer I believe.

> She has Rahu and retro Jupiter in the 5th with 5th lord in the 8th with A5.

> She is now in Rahu Rahu.When is it likly something could happen,or even would

something happen with one of her children?

> How will Saturns transit through 5thhouse go?

> Is she in danger of loosing one of her children? Or is this combo just a

dharmic falldown and would one go to prison?

> How to tell ,Of the 3 children , 1st daughter, 2nd daughter, 3rd son which

would be in danger?

> Im also looking at 3rd from A5 is rashi dristhi Mars and Saturn.

> Also, in a situation like this what would be the best mantras, and can you

please give your reasoning, I would be greatly appreciative.

> Please guide me in understanding this placement of Rahu and retro jupiter in

5th, 5 in 8th etc.

> thanks

> Lakshmi

>

> guruchandalaquestio n

>

> Natal Chart

>

> March 4, 1958

> Time: 11:30:00 am

> Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

> Place: 9 E 01' 00 " , 52 N 96' 00 "

> Germany

> Altitude: 0.00 meters

>

> Lunar Yr-Mo: Hemalamba - Phalguna

> Tithi: Sukla Chaturdasi (Ve) (56.98% left)

> Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma)

> Nakshatra: Magha (Ke) (90.69% left)

> Yoga: Sukarman (Ma) (90.10% left)

> Karana: Garija (Ju) (13.97% left)

> Hora Lord: Moon (5 min sign: Sc)

> Mahakala Hora: Saturn (5 min sign: Pi)

> Kaala Lord: Mercury (Mahakala: Venus)

>

> Sunrise: 7:12:05 am

> Sunset: 6:00:34 pm

> Janma Ghatis: 10.7468

>

> Ayanamsa: 23-16-31.91

> Sidereal Time: 21:52:48

>

> Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

>

> Lagna 10 Ge 30' 08.85 " Ardr 2 Ge Cp

> Sun - BK 20 Aq 04' 44.53 " PBha 1 Aq Ar

> Moon - DK 1 Le 14' 27.27 " Magh 1 Le Ar

> Mars - AK 27 Sg 21' 32.39 " USha 1 Sg Sg

> Mercury - AmK 20 Aq 37' 20.28 " PBha 1 Aq Ar

> Jupiter ® - PK 7 Li 56' 38.81 " Swat 1 Li Sg

> Venus - PiK 11 Cp 01' 40.27 " Srav 1 Cp Ar

> Saturn - GK 1 Sg 37' 44.63 " Mool 1 Sg Ar

> Rahu - MK 10 Li 48' 12.01 " Swat 2 Li Cp

> Ketu 10 Ar 48' 12.01 " Aswi 4 Ar Cn

> Maandi 1 Cn 28' 55.64 " Puna 4 Cn Cn

> Gulika 23 Ge 57' 40.41 " Puna 2 Ge Ta

> Uranus ® 14 Cn 59' 48.00 " Push 4 Cn Sc

> Neptune ® 11 Li 17' 52.14 " Swat 2 Li Cp

> Pluto ® 7 Le 29' 30.82 " Magh 3 Le Ge

> Bhava Lagna 24 Ar 22' 49.60 " Bhar 4 Ar Sc

> Hora Lagna 28 Ge 51' 40.56 " Puna 3 Ge Ge

> Ghati Lagna 12 Cp 18' 13.42 " Srav 1 Cp Ar

> Vighati Lagna 19 Vi 30' 57.74 " Hast 3 Vi Ge

> Varnada Lagna 10 Vi 30' 08.85 " Aswi 1 Vi Ar

> Sree Lagna 14 Cn 00' 25.10 " Push 4 Cn Sc

> Pranapada Lagna 19 Ta 41' 43.62 " Rohi 3 Ta Ge

> Indu Lagna 1 Aq 14' 27.27 " Dhan 3 Aq Li

> Dhooma 3 Cn 24' 44.53 " Push 1 Cn Le

> Vyatipata 26 Sg 35' 15.47 " PSha 4 Sg Sc

> Parivesha 26 Ge 35' 15.47 " Puna 2 Ge Ta

> Indra Chapa 3 Cp 24' 44.53 " USha 3 Cp Aq

> Upaketu 20 Cp 04' 44.53 " Srav 4 Cp Cn

> Kaala 29 Cn 36' 20.90 " Asre 4 Cn Pi

> Mrityu 16 Pi 28' 03.83 " UBha 4 Pi Sc

> Artha Prahara 0 Ta 29' 01.25 " Krit 2 Ta Cp

> Yama Ghantaka 27 Ta 15' 32.72 " Mrig 2 Ta Vi

> Prana Sphuta 16 Ge 28' 24.66 " Ardr 3 Ge Aq

> Deha Sphuta 3 Pi 53' 18.55 " UBha 1 Pi Le

> Mrityu Sphuta 7 Li 48' 27.38 " Swat 1 Li Sg

> Sookshma TriSphuta 28 Sc 10' 10.60 " Jye 4 Sc Pi

> TriSphuta 5 Cp 42' 16.53 " USha 3 Cp Aq

> ChatusSphuta 25 Sc 47' 01.06 " Jye 3 Sc Aq

> PanchaSphuta 6 Ge 35' 13.07 " Mrig 4 Ge Sc

> V2 10 Li 30' 08.85 " Aswi 1 Li Ta

> V3 10 Cp 30' 08.85 " Aswi 1 Cp Sg

> V4 10 Aq 30' 08.85 " Aswi 1 Aq Vi

> V5 10 Ta 30' 08.85 " Aswi 1 Ta Sg

> V6 10 Ge 30' 08.85 " Aswi 1 Ge Ta

> V7 10 Vi 30' 08.85 " Aswi 1 Vi Ar

> V8 10 Li 30' 08.85 " Aswi 1 Li Ta

> V9 10 Cp 30' 08.85 " Aswi 1 Cp Sg

> V10 10 Aq 30' 08.85 " Aswi 1 Aq Vi

> V11 10 Ta 30' 08.85 " Aswi 1 Ta Sg

> V12 10 Ge 30' 08.85 " Aswi 1 Ge Ta

> Kunda 10 Aq 41' 56.91 " Sata 2 Aq Cp

>

> Rasi

> +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +

> | \ / \ / |

> | \ Md / \ / |

> | \ / \ / |

> | \ / HL \ / |

> | \ / \ / |

> |Mo x As x Ke |

> | / \ / \ |

> | / \ Gk / \ |

> | / \ / \ |

> | / \ 3 / \ |

> | / \ / \ |

> | x |

> | \ / \ / |

> | \ / Sa \ / |

> |AL \ / \ / |

> |JuR Ra x Ma x Me Su |

> | / \ / \ |

> | / \ / Ve \ |

> | / \ / GL \ |

> +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +

>

> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

>

> Ket Ket 1957-07-11 Ven 1957-12-08 Sun 1959-02-05

> Moon 1959-06-13 Mars 1960-01-13 Rah 1960-06-09

> Jup 1961-06-28 Sat 1962-06-04 Merc 1963-07-15

> Ven Ven 1964-07-11 Sun 1967-11-12 Moon 1968-11-11

> Mars 1970-07-11 Rah 1971-09-12 Jup 1974-09-12

> Sat 1977-05-09 Merc 1980-07-11 Ket 1983-05-10

> Sun Sun 1984-07-11 Moon 1984-10-30 Mars 1985-04-27

> Rah 1985-09-05 Jup 1986-07-30 Sat 1987-05-16

> Merc 1988-04-27 Ket 1989-03-03 Ven 1989-07-11

> Moon Moon 1990-07-11 Mars 1991-05-10 Rah 1991-12-11

> Jup 1993-06-10 Sat 1994-10-12 Merc 1996-05-09

> Ket 1997-10-12 Ven 1998-05-10 Sun 2000-01-10

> Mars Mars 2000-07-11 Rah 2000-12-08 Jup 2001-12-26

> Sat 2002-12-02 Merc 2004-01-10 Ket 2005-01-06

> Ven 2005-06-04 Sun 2006-08-06 Moon 2006-12-11

> Rah Rah 2007-07-12 Jup 2010-03-22 Sat 2012-08-18

> Merc 2015-06-23 Ket 2018-01-10 Ven 2019-01-27

> Sun 2022-01-27 Moon 2022-12-23 Mars 2024-06-22

> Jup Jup 2025-07-11 Sat 2027-08-31 Merc 2030-03-10

> Ket 2032-06-16 Ven 2033-05-22 Sun 2036-01-22

> Moon 2036-11-11 Mars 2038-03-10 Rah 2039-02-14

> Sat Sat 2041-07-11 Merc 2044-07-14 Ket 2047-03-22

> Ven 2048-04-30 Sun 2051-07-03 Moon 2052-06-13

> Mars 2054-01-13 Rah 2055-02-20 Jup 2057-12-29

> Merc Merc 2060-07-11 Ket 2062-12-09 Ven 2063-12-06

> Sun 2066-10-07 Moon 2067-08-13 Mars 2069-01-10

> Rah 2070-01-07 Jup 2072-07-27 Sat 2074-11-03

>

> , Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

> >

> > ??? ??? ?????

> > Dear Vinayak & Namita, Namaskar.

> > Lakshmi is perfectly right that the Shani-Rahu yoga need not deny

> > children but can cause some unusual circumstances, provided other

> > circumstances are there, or dead children. Either way it points towards

> > a Shraddha-Dosha on the mothers side of the family which indicates that

> > the last rites of the same have not been performed fully.

> >

> > Reg. children.

> > The arudhas of third and ninth houses are both badly placed from the Sun

> > which shows this dosha as being a physical obstruction on part of the

> > husband.

> > As the same Arudhas counted from the Sun have one in eighth from the Sun

> > and the other is joined Venus and Mercury, it makes it practically

> > impossible to have children. Doctors assistance is necessary as well as

> > remedies. Check his Santana tithi and revert back with your findings and

> > a remedy.

> >

> > The wife does not seem to suffer any such flaw.

> > Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ----

> > Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer)

> > www: www: http://srigaruda. com

> > @: visti@

> >

> > Lakshmi Kary skrev:

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > Dear Namita,

> > > I did not look at the chart in question,

> > > but often when you see Rahu/Saturn in the 5th house, it means

> > > unconventional or untraditional, in general rahu and Saturn can imply

> > > some sort of cheating or scandel depending on the house its in, (but

> > > depends on whether benefics are aspecting) but can also indicate one a

> > > positive side , poisons, people who work with chemicals that sort of

> > > thing(chemist, chemotherapy, people who prescribe such things)

> > >

> > > In the 5th house.

> > > for example, the native will send up getting adopted children,

> > > or perhaps they will marry a person that already has children by a

> > > previous marriage,

> > > or they will get children through unconventional or what used to be

> > > untraditional means.,

> > > ie have test tube babies ,etc

> > > Hope that helps.

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

>

March 13, 2009

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Michal and Lakshmi,

Michal:

(Thanx. I felt like someone pressed "turn off" button for everyone

Do you really use odd lagna-female native and look at 9th bhava for children?

Thanx for pointing on on Utpana Tara. (I stopped counting how many times you reminded me about this)

What do you think of a simple rule: odd lagna-5th bhava for first pregnancy in saptamsa without relating it to female/male native? Because that 9th lord (if D7 is correct) doesn't really look like female child (Budh is strongest of all Grahas in yuti with Mangal). Move saptamsa lagna to Karka, you get only more problems to find female child as first born due to dual lordship if you apply "female native/even saptamsa lagna" and observe 5th bhava (refer to previous bracket . Unless taking Ketu debilitated alone-female child.

Lakshmi:

BK/AmK Chara Karaka replacement works fine for this lady (teaching). I thought of this while writing previous email. Very intelligent lady (hint: observe placement of LL)?

Was first pregnancy and delivery very difficult? (Just in case you are informed about these details)

This has nothing to do with her chart observation: younger two, are they involved in some kind of drug abuse?

Warm Regards,

Maja Strbac

Hari Om Tat Sat

--- On Thu, 3/12/09, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote:

Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal[Om Krishna Guru] visti new case study Re: NO CHILDREN: Please help danger to children? Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 2:57 PM

Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Lakshmi, Maja,A few thoughts:Mars and Saturn conjunction in 1st/7th house is not good for mental stability, here it is badhaksthana, and Mars is AK in MKS. 5th house is afflicted and 5th lord going to 8th is not good for citta, especially under papakartari shows a lot of pressure. There are two vakra graha in arudha lagna which shows going against the establishment. Lagna lord in 9th is a person who seeks freedom and in the sign kumbha under curse can show someone who will not conform and will break rules. In this case the free wheeling attitude was experienced through spouse as Mercury is the lord of first UL in Kanya showing the first husband breaking the law and probably being involved with drugs (Sun/Rahu). Guruchandala yoga is in 2nd house and he was murdered in prison.2nd UL has Ketu in Aries which fits the description you gave.Since Moon is in the 3rd house we should use Vimshottari

from Utpana tara. Jupiter dasa was running since her early twenties. Jupiter is also Ishta Devata. Moola dasa was Rahu and then Jupiter.In a women's chart should we look at 5th house for children?Regards,Michal, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ ...> wrote:>> Hare Rama Krishna> Dear Maja,> Thank-you for your reply. > Here is a bit more info. > She is always struggling financially. > Currently this lady is a teacher, before that she was stay at home mother. She is a religious and sentimental lady, very good hearted, loves her children dearly, raised them almost entirely herself because husbands werent around.> .Her children are struggling to make a place for themselves in

life. The younger 2 come into some dangerous situations past few years.> First childs father went to prison when child was just a few years, he was killed in prison, even though he wasnt supposed to be in there for very long.> The second husband and father of the younger 2 children was an angry man and left her, after the birth of her son. He passed away a few years ago.> She has had some misc short lived relationships in between, but has since given up on finding another spouse.> Best wishes> Lakshmi> > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, majastrbacastro@ ... <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote:> > > majastrbacastro@ ... <majastrbacastro@ ...>> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] visti new case study Re: NO CHILDREN: Please help danger to children?> > Thursday, March 12, 2009, 11:59 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Lakshmi, > > > This Maha Dasa doesn't necessarily mean a threat to children, since grahas placed in bhava refer on approach to certain life area. Since malefic is placed there, her attitude towards own children is not really example of perfect attitude. Also, this same combination of 9th and 7th lord as Rahu/Guru could show that children came sudden while she was still in relationship with her ex (late) husband even before they made a concrete decision to get married. > > Rahu MD can bring lack of support for her own ideals (9th) and desires (7th) in some relation with children, for example.

For Ra/Gu combination Shiva mantras are solution. Shiva Panchakshari seems very nice for her (Namah Shivaya). I would be more worried for her health since 2nd bhava from AD is A8. (Guru is badhakesh, joined Ra in 5th, how is she doing with gall bladder?) > > Lord of 5th bhava placed in 8th shows that concrete decisions related to children are quite good for children, but not necessarily for this lady. A5 is how children manifest in this world. Joined with Sukra, they can be pretty much charming It is not so good that A5 is joined with A6 though. > > Lives of each individual child are to be seen from Saptamsha chart (and threats too). Dear, here I come to the point where I have a serious problem, since I am having some 5-7 different versions available on how this divisional chart should be interpreted. I am holding my fingers crossed to see Visti here

included. > > BTW are these children from first marriage or was there a relationship/ marriage before? > > Warm Regards, > Maja Strbac > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, lakshmikary <lakshmikary@ > wrote:> > > lakshmikary <lakshmikary@ >> [Om Krishna Guru] visti new case study Re: NO CHILDREN: Please help danger to children?> > Thursday, March 12, 2009, 9:40 AM> > > > > Hare Rama Krishna> Dear Visti,> Hope you can enlighten me on this case.> This is the single mother of 3 children, for reference her ex husband passed away a few years ago while Saturn was in gemini/cancer I believe.> She has Rahu and retro Jupiter in the 5th with

5th lord in the 8th with A5.> She is now in Rahu Rahu.When is it likly something could happen,or even would something happen with one of her children?> How will Saturns transit through 5thhouse go?> Is she in danger of loosing one of her children? Or is this combo just a dharmic falldown and would one go to prison? > How to tell ,Of the 3 children , 1st daughter, 2nd daughter, 3rd son which would be in danger?> Im also looking at 3rd from A5 is rashi dristhi Mars and Saturn.> Also, in a situation like this what would be the best mantras, and can you please give your reasoning, I would be greatly appreciative.> Please guide me in understanding this placement of Rahu and retro jupiter in 5th, 5 in 8th etc.> thanks> Lakshmi> > guruchandalaquestio n> > Natal Chart> > March 4, 1958> Time: 11:30:00 am> Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of

GMT)> Place: 9 E 01' 00", 52 N 96' 00"> Germany> Altitude: 0.00 meters> > Lunar Yr-Mo: Hemalamba - Phalguna> Tithi: Sukla Chaturdasi (Ve) (56.98% left)> Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma)> Nakshatra: Magha (Ke) (90.69% left)> Yoga: Sukarman (Ma) (90.10% left)> Karana: Garija (Ju) (13.97% left)> Hora Lord: Moon (5 min sign: Sc)> Mahakala Hora: Saturn (5 min sign: Pi)> Kaala Lord: Mercury (Mahakala: Venus)> > Sunrise: 7:12:05 am> Sunset: 6:00:34 pm> Janma Ghatis: 10.7468> > Ayanamsa: 23-16-31.91> Sidereal Time: 21:52:48> > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa> > Lagna 10 Ge 30' 08.85" Ardr 2 Ge Cp> Sun - BK 20 Aq 04' 44.53" PBha 1 Aq Ar> Moon - DK 1 Le 14' 27.27" Magh 1 Le Ar> Mars - AK 27 Sg 21' 32.39" USha 1 Sg Sg> Mercury - AmK 20 Aq 37' 20.28" PBha 1 Aq

Ar> Jupiter ® - PK 7 Li 56' 38.81" Swat 1 Li Sg> Venus - PiK 11 Cp 01' 40.27" Srav 1 Cp Ar> Saturn - GK 1 Sg 37' 44.63" Mool 1 Sg Ar> Rahu - MK 10 Li 48' 12.01" Swat 2 Li Cp> Ketu 10 Ar 48' 12.01" Aswi 4 Ar Cn> Maandi 1 Cn 28' 55.64" Puna 4 Cn Cn> Gulika 23 Ge 57' 40.41" Puna 2 Ge Ta> Uranus ® 14 Cn 59' 48.00" Push 4 Cn Sc> Neptune ® 11 Li 17' 52.14" Swat 2 Li Cp> Pluto ® 7 Le 29' 30.82" Magh 3 Le Ge> Bhava Lagna 24 Ar 22' 49.60" Bhar 4 Ar Sc> Hora Lagna 28 Ge 51' 40.56" Puna 3 Ge Ge> Ghati Lagna 12 Cp 18' 13.42" Srav 1 Cp Ar> Vighati Lagna 19 Vi 30' 57.74" Hast 3 Vi Ge> Varnada Lagna 10 Vi 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Vi Ar> Sree Lagna 14 Cn 00' 25.10" Push 4 Cn Sc> Pranapada Lagna 19 Ta 41' 43.62" Rohi 3 Ta Ge> Indu Lagna 1 Aq 14' 27.27" Dhan 3 Aq Li> Dhooma 3 Cn 24' 44.53" Push 1 Cn Le> Vyatipata 26 Sg 35' 15.47"

PSha 4 Sg Sc> Parivesha 26 Ge 35' 15.47" Puna 2 Ge Ta> Indra Chapa 3 Cp 24' 44.53" USha 3 Cp Aq> Upaketu 20 Cp 04' 44.53" Srav 4 Cp Cn> Kaala 29 Cn 36' 20.90" Asre 4 Cn Pi> Mrityu 16 Pi 28' 03.83" UBha 4 Pi Sc> Artha Prahara 0 Ta 29' 01.25" Krit 2 Ta Cp> Yama Ghantaka 27 Ta 15' 32.72" Mrig 2 Ta Vi> Prana Sphuta 16 Ge 28' 24.66" Ardr 3 Ge Aq> Deha Sphuta 3 Pi 53' 18.55" UBha 1 Pi Le> Mrityu Sphuta 7 Li 48' 27.38" Swat 1 Li Sg> Sookshma TriSphuta 28 Sc 10' 10.60" Jye 4 Sc Pi> TriSphuta 5 Cp 42' 16.53" USha 3 Cp Aq> ChatusSphuta 25 Sc 47' 01.06" Jye 3 Sc Aq> PanchaSphuta 6 Ge 35' 13.07" Mrig 4 Ge Sc> V2 10 Li 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Li Ta> V3 10 Cp 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Cp Sg> V4 10 Aq 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Aq Vi> V5 10 Ta 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Ta Sg> V6 10 Ge 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Ge Ta> V7 10 Vi 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Vi Ar> V8 10 Li

30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Li Ta> V9 10 Cp 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Cp Sg> V10 10 Aq 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Aq Vi> V11 10 Ta 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Ta Sg> V12 10 Ge 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Ge Ta> Kunda 10 Aq 41' 56.91" Sata 2 Aq Cp> > Rasi > +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +> | \ / \ / |> | \ Md / \ / |> | \ / \ / |> | \ / HL \ / |> | \ / \ / |> |Mo x As x Ke |> | / \ / \ |> | / \ Gk / \ |> | / \ / \ |> | / \ 3 / \ |> | / \ / \ |> | x |> | \ / \ / |> | \ / \ / |> | \ / \ / |> | \ / Sa \ / |> |AL \ / \ / |> |JuR Ra x Ma x Me Su |> | / \ / \ |> | / \ / \ |> | / \ / \ |> | / \ / Ve \ |> | / \ / GL \ |> +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +> > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):> > Ket Ket 1957-07-11

Ven 1957-12-08 Sun 1959-02-05 > Moon 1959-06-13 Mars 1960-01-13 Rah 1960-06-09 > Jup 1961-06-28 Sat 1962-06-04 Merc 1963-07-15 > Ven Ven 1964-07-11 Sun 1967-11-12 Moon 1968-11-11 > Mars 1970-07-11 Rah 1971-09-12 Jup 1974-09-12 > Sat 1977-05-09 Merc 1980-07-11 Ket 1983-05-10 > Sun Sun 1984-07-11 Moon 1984-10-30 Mars 1985-04-27 > Rah 1985-09-05 Jup 1986-07-30 Sat 1987-05-16 > Merc 1988-04-27 Ket 1989-03-03 Ven 1989-07-11 > Moon Moon 1990-07-11 Mars 1991-05-10 Rah 1991-12-11 > Jup 1993-06-10 Sat 1994-10-12 Merc 1996-05-09 > Ket 1997-10-12 Ven 1998-05-10 Sun 2000-01-10 > Mars Mars 2000-07-11 Rah 2000-12-08 Jup 2001-12-26 > Sat 2002-12-02 Merc 2004-01-10 Ket 2005-01-06 > Ven 2005-06-04 Sun 2006-08-06 Moon 2006-12-11 > Rah Rah 2007-07-12 Jup 2010-03-22 Sat 2012-08-18 > Merc 2015-06-23 Ket 2018-01-10 Ven 2019-01-27 > Sun 2022-01-27 Moon

2022-12-23 Mars 2024-06-22 > Jup Jup 2025-07-11 Sat 2027-08-31 Merc 2030-03-10 > Ket 2032-06-16 Ven 2033-05-22 Sun 2036-01-22 > Moon 2036-11-11 Mars 2038-03-10 Rah 2039-02-14 > Sat Sat 2041-07-11 Merc 2044-07-14 Ket 2047-03-22 > Ven 2048-04-30 Sun 2051-07-03 Moon 2052-06-13 > Mars 2054-01-13 Rah 2055-02-20 Jup 2057-12-29 > Merc Merc 2060-07-11 Ket 2062-12-09 Ven 2063-12-06 > Sun 2066-10-07 Moon 2067-08-13 Mars 2069-01-10 > Rah 2070-01-07 Jup 2072-07-27 Sat 2074-11-03 > > , Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:> >> > ??? ??? ?????> > Dear Vinayak & Namita, Namaskar.> > Lakshmi is perfectly right that the Shani-Rahu yoga need not deny > > children but can cause some unusual circumstances, provided other > > circumstances are there, or dead children. Either way it points towards

> > a Shraddha-Dosha on the mothers side of the family which indicates that > > the last rites of the same have not been performed fully.> > > > Reg. children.> > The arudhas of third and ninth houses are both badly placed from the Sun > > which shows this dosha as being a physical obstruction on part of the > > husband.> > As the same Arudhas counted from the Sun have one in eighth from the Sun > > and the other is joined Venus and Mercury, it makes it practically > > impossible to have children. Doctors assistance is necessary as well as > > remedies. Check his Santana tithi and revert back with your findings and > > a remedy.> > > > The wife does not seem to suffer any such flaw.> > Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ----> > Jyotish Guru

(Vedic Astrologer)> > www: www: http://srigaruda. com> > @: visti@> > > > Lakshmi Kary skrev:> > >> > > Hare Rama Krishna> > > Dear Namita,> > > I did not look at the chart in question,> > > but often when you see Rahu/Saturn in the 5th house, it means > > > unconventional or untraditional, in general rahu and Saturn can imply > > > some sort of cheating or scandel depending on the house its in, (but > > > depends on whether benefics are aspecting) but can also indicate one a > > > positive side , poisons, people who work with chemicals that sort of > > > thing(chemist, chemotherapy, people who prescribe such things)> > > > > > In the 5th house.> > > for example, the native will send up

getting adopted children,> > > or perhaps they will marry a person that already has children by a > > > previous marriage,> > > or they will get children through unconventional or what used to be > > > untraditional means.,> > > ie have test tube babies ,etc> > > Hope that helps.> > > Lakshmi> > >>

March 13, 2009

Om Guarve Namah

Dear Michal,

"Do you really use odd lagna-female native and look at 9th bhava for children?", here I was aiming on Rasi chart.

Reg,

M

--- On Thu, 3/12/09, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro wrote:

Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastroRe: [Om Krishna Guru] visti new case study Re: NO CHILDREN: Please help danger to children? Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 3:21 PM

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Michal and Lakshmi,

Michal:

(Thanx. I felt like someone pressed "turn off" button for everyone

Do you really use odd lagna-female native and look at 9th bhava for children?

Thanx for pointing on on Utpana Tara. (I stopped counting how many times you reminded me about this)

What do you think of a simple rule: odd lagna-5th bhava for first pregnancy in saptamsa without relating it to female/male native? Because that 9th lord (if D7 is correct) doesn't really look like female child (Budh is strongest of all Grahas in yuti with Mangal). Move saptamsa lagna to Karka, you get only more problems to find female child as first born due to dual lordship if you apply "female native/even saptamsa lagna" and observe 5th bhava (refer to previous bracket . Unless taking Ketu debilitated alone-female child.

Lakshmi:

BK/AmK Chara Karaka replacement works fine for this lady (teaching). I thought of this while writing previous email. Very intelligent lady (hint: observe placement of LL)?

Was first pregnancy and delivery very difficult? (Just in case you are informed about these details)

This has nothing to do with her chart observation: younger two, are they involved in some kind of drug abuse?

Warm Regards,

Maja Strbac

Hari Om Tat Sat

--- On Thu, 3/12/09, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal > wrote:

Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal >[Om Krishna Guru] visti new case study Re: NO CHILDREN: Please help danger to children?Thursday, March 12, 2009, 2:57 PM

Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Lakshmi, Maja,A few thoughts:Mars and Saturn conjunction in 1st/7th house is not good for mental stability, here it is badhaksthana, and Mars is AK in MKS. 5th house is afflicted and 5th lord going to 8th is not good for citta, especially under papakartari shows a lot of pressure. There are two vakra graha in arudha lagna which shows going against the establishment. Lagna lord in 9th is a person who seeks freedom and in the sign kumbha under curse can show someone who will not conform and will break rules. In this case the free wheeling attitude was experienced through spouse as Mercury is the lord of first UL in Kanya showing the first husband breaking the law and probably being involved with drugs (Sun/Rahu). Guruchandala yoga is in 2nd house and he was murdered in prison.2nd UL has Ketu in Aries which fits the description you gave.Since Moon is in the 3rd house we should use Vimshottari

from Utpana tara. Jupiter dasa was running since her early twenties. Jupiter is also Ishta Devata. Moola dasa was Rahu and then Jupiter.In a women's chart should we look at 5th house for children?Regards,Michal, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ ...> wrote:>> Hare Rama Krishna> Dear Maja,> Thank-you for your reply. > Here is a bit more info. > She is always struggling financially. > Currently this lady is a teacher, before that she was stay at home mother. She is a religious and sentimental lady, very good hearted, loves her children dearly, raised them almost entirely herself because husbands werent around.> .Her children are struggling to make a place for themselves in life. The younger 2 come into some dangerous

situations past few years.> First childs father went to prison when child was just a few years, he was killed in prison, even though he wasnt supposed to be in there for very long.> The second husband and father of the younger 2 children was an angry man and left her, after the birth of her son. He passed away a few years ago.> She has had some misc short lived relationships in between, but has since given up on finding another spouse.> Best wishes> Lakshmi> > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, majastrbacastro@ ... <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote:> > > majastrbacastro@ ... <majastrbacastro@ ...>> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] visti new case study Re: NO CHILDREN: Please help danger to children?> > Date:

Thursday, March 12, 2009, 11:59 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Lakshmi, > > > This Maha Dasa doesn't necessarily mean a threat to children, since grahas placed in bhava refer on approach to certain life area. Since malefic is placed there, her attitude towards own children is not really example of perfect attitude. Also, this same combination of 9th and 7th lord as Rahu/Guru could show that children came sudden while she was still in relationship with her ex (late) husband even before they made a concrete decision to get married. > > Rahu MD can bring lack of support for her own ideals (9th) and desires (7th) in some relation with children, for example. For Ra/Gu combination Shiva mantras are solution. Shiva Panchakshari seems very

nice for her (Namah Shivaya). I would be more worried for her health since 2nd bhava from AD is A8. (Guru is badhakesh, joined Ra in 5th, how is she doing with gall bladder?) > > Lord of 5th bhava placed in 8th shows that concrete decisions related to children are quite good for children, but not necessarily for this lady. A5 is how children manifest in this world. Joined with Sukra, they can be pretty much charming It is not so good that A5 is joined with A6 though. > > Lives of each individual child are to be seen from Saptamsha chart (and threats too). Dear, here I come to the point where I have a serious problem, since I am having some 5-7 different versions available on how this divisional chart should be interpreted. I am holding my fingers crossed to see Visti here included. > > BTW are these children from first marriage or was there a

relationship/ marriage before? > > Warm Regards, > Maja Strbac > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, lakshmikary <lakshmikary@ > wrote:> > > lakshmikary <lakshmikary@ >> [Om Krishna Guru] visti new case study Re: NO CHILDREN: Please help danger to children?> > Thursday, March 12, 2009, 9:40 AM> > > > > Hare Rama Krishna> Dear Visti,> Hope you can enlighten me on this case.> This is the single mother of 3 children, for reference her ex husband passed away a few years ago while Saturn was in gemini/cancer I believe.> She has Rahu and retro Jupiter in the 5th with 5th lord in the 8th with A5.> She is now in Rahu Rahu.When is it likly something could

happen,or even would something happen with one of her children?> How will Saturns transit through 5thhouse go?> Is she in danger of loosing one of her children? Or is this combo just a dharmic falldown and would one go to prison? > How to tell ,Of the 3 children , 1st daughter, 2nd daughter, 3rd son which would be in danger?> Im also looking at 3rd from A5 is rashi dristhi Mars and Saturn.> Also, in a situation like this what would be the best mantras, and can you please give your reasoning, I would be greatly appreciative.> Please guide me in understanding this placement of Rahu and retro jupiter in 5th, 5 in 8th etc.> thanks> Lakshmi> > guruchandalaquestio n> > Natal Chart> > March 4, 1958> Time: 11:30:00 am> Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)> Place: 9 E 01' 00", 52 N 96' 00"> Germany> Altitude: 0.00 meters>

> Lunar Yr-Mo: Hemalamba - Phalguna> Tithi: Sukla Chaturdasi (Ve) (56.98% left)> Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma)> Nakshatra: Magha (Ke) (90.69% left)> Yoga: Sukarman (Ma) (90.10% left)> Karana: Garija (Ju) (13.97% left)> Hora Lord: Moon (5 min sign: Sc)> Mahakala Hora: Saturn (5 min sign: Pi)> Kaala Lord: Mercury (Mahakala: Venus)> > Sunrise: 7:12:05 am> Sunset: 6:00:34 pm> Janma Ghatis: 10.7468> > Ayanamsa: 23-16-31.91> Sidereal Time: 21:52:48> > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa> > Lagna 10 Ge 30' 08.85" Ardr 2 Ge Cp> Sun - BK 20 Aq 04' 44.53" PBha 1 Aq Ar> Moon - DK 1 Le 14' 27.27" Magh 1 Le Ar> Mars - AK 27 Sg 21' 32.39" USha 1 Sg Sg> Mercury - AmK 20 Aq 37' 20.28" PBha 1 Aq Ar> Jupiter ® - PK 7 Li 56' 38.81" Swat 1 Li Sg> Venus - PiK 11 Cp 01' 40.27" Srav 1 Cp

Ar> Saturn - GK 1 Sg 37' 44.63" Mool 1 Sg Ar> Rahu - MK 10 Li 48' 12.01" Swat 2 Li Cp> Ketu 10 Ar 48' 12.01" Aswi 4 Ar Cn> Maandi 1 Cn 28' 55.64" Puna 4 Cn Cn> Gulika 23 Ge 57' 40.41" Puna 2 Ge Ta> Uranus ® 14 Cn 59' 48.00" Push 4 Cn Sc> Neptune ® 11 Li 17' 52.14" Swat 2 Li Cp> Pluto ® 7 Le 29' 30.82" Magh 3 Le Ge> Bhava Lagna 24 Ar 22' 49.60" Bhar 4 Ar Sc> Hora Lagna 28 Ge 51' 40.56" Puna 3 Ge Ge> Ghati Lagna 12 Cp 18' 13.42" Srav 1 Cp Ar> Vighati Lagna 19 Vi 30' 57.74" Hast 3 Vi Ge> Varnada Lagna 10 Vi 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Vi Ar> Sree Lagna 14 Cn 00' 25.10" Push 4 Cn Sc> Pranapada Lagna 19 Ta 41' 43.62" Rohi 3 Ta Ge> Indu Lagna 1 Aq 14' 27.27" Dhan 3 Aq Li> Dhooma 3 Cn 24' 44.53" Push 1 Cn Le> Vyatipata 26 Sg 35' 15.47" PSha 4 Sg Sc> Parivesha 26 Ge 35' 15.47" Puna 2 Ge Ta> Indra Chapa 3 Cp 24' 44.53" USha 3 Cp

Aq> Upaketu 20 Cp 04' 44.53" Srav 4 Cp Cn> Kaala 29 Cn 36' 20.90" Asre 4 Cn Pi> Mrityu 16 Pi 28' 03.83" UBha 4 Pi Sc> Artha Prahara 0 Ta 29' 01.25" Krit 2 Ta Cp> Yama Ghantaka 27 Ta 15' 32.72" Mrig 2 Ta Vi> Prana Sphuta 16 Ge 28' 24.66" Ardr 3 Ge Aq> Deha Sphuta 3 Pi 53' 18.55" UBha 1 Pi Le> Mrityu Sphuta 7 Li 48' 27.38" Swat 1 Li Sg> Sookshma TriSphuta 28 Sc 10' 10.60" Jye 4 Sc Pi> TriSphuta 5 Cp 42' 16.53" USha 3 Cp Aq> ChatusSphuta 25 Sc 47' 01.06" Jye 3 Sc Aq> PanchaSphuta 6 Ge 35' 13.07" Mrig 4 Ge Sc> V2 10 Li 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Li Ta> V3 10 Cp 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Cp Sg> V4 10 Aq 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Aq Vi> V5 10 Ta 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Ta Sg> V6 10 Ge 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Ge Ta> V7 10 Vi 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Vi Ar> V8 10 Li 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Li Ta> V9 10 Cp 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Cp Sg> V10 10 Aq 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Aq

Vi> V11 10 Ta 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Ta Sg> V12 10 Ge 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Ge Ta> Kunda 10 Aq 41' 56.91" Sata 2 Aq Cp> > Rasi > +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +> | \ / \ / |> | \ Md / \ / |> | \ / \ / |> | \ / HL \ / |> | \ / \ / |> |Mo x As x Ke |> | / \ / \ |> | / \ Gk / \ |> | / \ / \ |> | / \ 3 / \ |> | / \ / \ |> | x |> | \ / \ / |> | \ / \ / |> | \ / \ / |> | \ / Sa \ / |> |AL \ / \ / |> |JuR Ra x Ma x Me Su |> | / \ / \ |> | / \ / \ |> | / \ / \ |> | / \ / Ve \ |> | / \ / GL \ |> +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +> > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):> > Ket Ket 1957-07-11 Ven 1957-12-08 Sun 1959-02-05 > Moon 1959-06-13 Mars 1960-01-13 Rah 1960-06-09 > Jup

1961-06-28 Sat 1962-06-04 Merc 1963-07-15 > Ven Ven 1964-07-11 Sun 1967-11-12 Moon 1968-11-11 > Mars 1970-07-11 Rah 1971-09-12 Jup 1974-09-12 > Sat 1977-05-09 Merc 1980-07-11 Ket 1983-05-10 > Sun Sun 1984-07-11 Moon 1984-10-30 Mars 1985-04-27 > Rah 1985-09-05 Jup 1986-07-30 Sat 1987-05-16 > Merc 1988-04-27 Ket 1989-03-03 Ven 1989-07-11 > Moon Moon 1990-07-11 Mars 1991-05-10 Rah 1991-12-11 > Jup 1993-06-10 Sat 1994-10-12 Merc 1996-05-09 > Ket 1997-10-12 Ven 1998-05-10 Sun 2000-01-10 > Mars Mars 2000-07-11 Rah 2000-12-08 Jup 2001-12-26 > Sat 2002-12-02 Merc 2004-01-10 Ket 2005-01-06 > Ven 2005-06-04 Sun 2006-08-06 Moon 2006-12-11 > Rah Rah 2007-07-12 Jup 2010-03-22 Sat 2012-08-18 > Merc 2015-06-23 Ket 2018-01-10 Ven 2019-01-27 > Sun 2022-01-27 Moon 2022-12-23 Mars 2024-06-22 > Jup Jup 2025-07-11 Sat 2027-08-31 Merc 2030-03-10 > Ket

2032-06-16 Ven 2033-05-22 Sun 2036-01-22 > Moon 2036-11-11 Mars 2038-03-10 Rah 2039-02-14 > Sat Sat 2041-07-11 Merc 2044-07-14 Ket 2047-03-22 > Ven 2048-04-30 Sun 2051-07-03 Moon 2052-06-13 > Mars 2054-01-13 Rah 2055-02-20 Jup 2057-12-29 > Merc Merc 2060-07-11 Ket 2062-12-09 Ven 2063-12-06 > Sun 2066-10-07 Moon 2067-08-13 Mars 2069-01-10 > Rah 2070-01-07 Jup 2072-07-27 Sat 2074-11-03 > > , Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:> >> > ??? ??? ?????> > Dear Vinayak & Namita, Namaskar.> > Lakshmi is perfectly right that the Shani-Rahu yoga need not deny > > children but can cause some unusual circumstances, provided other > > circumstances are there, or dead children. Either way it points towards > > a Shraddha-Dosha on the mothers side of the family which indicates that > > the

last rites of the same have not been performed fully.> > > > Reg. children.> > The arudhas of third and ninth houses are both badly placed from the Sun > > which shows this dosha as being a physical obstruction on part of the > > husband.> > As the same Arudhas counted from the Sun have one in eighth from the Sun > > and the other is joined Venus and Mercury, it makes it practically > > impossible to have children. Doctors assistance is necessary as well as > > remedies. Check his Santana tithi and revert back with your findings and > > a remedy.> > > > The wife does not seem to suffer any such flaw.> > Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ----> > Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer)> > www: www: http://srigaruda. com> > @: visti@> > > > Lakshmi Kary skrev:> > >> > > Hare Rama Krishna> > > Dear Namita,> > > I did not look at the chart in question,> > > but often when you see Rahu/Saturn in the 5th house, it means > > > unconventional or untraditional, in general rahu and Saturn can imply > > > some sort of cheating or scandel depending on the house its in, (but > > > depends on whether benefics are aspecting) but can also indicate one a > > > positive side , poisons, people who work with chemicals that sort of > > > thing(chemist, chemotherapy, people who prescribe such things)> > > > > > In the 5th house.> > > for example, the native will send up getting adopted children,> > > or perhaps they will marry a person that

already has children by a > > > previous marriage,> > > or they will get children through unconventional or what used to be > > > untraditional means.,> > > ie have test tube babies ,etc> > > Hope that helps.> > > Lakshmi> > >>

March 13, 2009

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Michal,

Good points.You got this pretty good. This lady has had alot of obstacles, raising her kids herself, without much money,, has to move often for a variety of reasons( house she rented burned down one time) all these things made life difficult.

Please say more about the life of children, do you think there is no issues for them during her Rahu Dasa?

Yes, we can look at 5th AND 9th for children,I see 5th house as ones creations, among other things of course. at least I do,but either way.

But what are we looking at, ability to have children, or the individual number of children, the lives of the children, etc. You dont look at 5thhouse and lord for children.

The 9th house is grandchildren, or do you take lagna as grandchildren.?

Jupiter is karaka for children,is retro and conjoined Rahu, so I was looking at the sum total.

Rahu and retro Jupiter are influencing 5 and the 9th houses.

If we take Rahu as lagna( being in Rahu dasa) 5th therfrom is aquarious, with Sun and Mercury both under curse from Sat and Rahu.

Im getting cap navamsa rising ( im using old JH)

What do you make of Saturn transit ? In light of children.

Since im not sure of rectification of Saptamsa, im not looking at it.

Can you add more.

1) Do you think one of her children can be in danger or go to jail?

What do we think of the bandhana yogas, ? There are several.

2) You think Utpanna would be more appropriate than Vimshottari?

Sanjay once said, Rahu in trine is like a snake up the sleeve.

with regards

Lakshmi