sudasa calc.

March 11, 2009

hare rama krishna dear members nad gurus

I am using jaganatha hora program

but I confuse about sudasa calculation

Narasimha Rao mentioned about SL must starting always from SL sign

but when I calculating my chart by jaganatha hora it begins from opposite of SL

sign.

do I change some menus? or not

would it be possible to enlighten me did I undertsand this Sudasa wrong?

best regards..

rozi

March 12, 2009

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya. Om Namo Narayanaya Namaha.

JHora 7.32 is the most comprehensive program ever written for Vedic Astrology that I have had the opportunity to use. But I believe there may still be some bugs. One of them appears to be in Sudasa calculations. According to PVR's book Vedic Astrology an Integrated Approach, he states that:

Sudasa starts from the rasi having SL in it. Sudasa progresses from that SL rasi in quadrants first, followed by panaparas and apoklimas.

The direction of progression depends on whether the rasi containing SL is odd or even. If the rasi containing SL is odd (say Leo), then the progression will be Leo, Scorpio, Aquarius, Taurus, Virgo, Saggitarius, Pisces, Gemini, Libra, Capricorn, Aries, Cancer. If the rasi containing SL is even (say Cancer), then the progression will be reverse (i.e. Cancer, Aries, Capricorn, Libra, Gemini, Pisces, Saggitarius, Virgo, Taurus, Aquarius, Scorpio, Leo).

If Saturn is present with SL, then the progression is regular

If Ketu is in SL then the order of progression is reversed (e.g. if Ketu is in Cancer with SL (but without Saturn), then progression will be Cancer, Libra, Capricorn, etc.)

Dasa time periods are calculated just like Narayana Dasa time periods.

There is a time period adjustment for the first dasa. (30 - SL)/30 times the period of the first dasa is the balance of the first dasa at birth.

Sudasa is identical to Lagna Kendradi Dasa (LKD) with the exception that SL rasi has to be the starting sign. Another way to compute Sudasa in JHora 7.32 is to

run the LKD on Jhora by forcing the start of dasa from the SL rasi by changing the default start of dasa rasi to the rasi having SL. (Normally, if you don't force select option, LKD will select the stronger of Lagna or 7th to start, but Sudasa necessarily starts from SL).

then manually find out how many years the balance of dasa should be for the starting dasa by using the ((30-SL)/30) X (first dasa time period).

Manually adjust all subsequent dasa periods to be consistent with the balance of dasa computed above. For example, if first dasa is 9 years and the fraction for balance of dasa is 0.4, the the first dasa is only 3.6 years for Sudasa (not 9 years as shown in the LKD calculations by the program). So all subsequent dasas will start (9-3.6) years = 5.4 years earlier than what is listed for LKD. So if the LKD calculations shows a subsequent dasa as starting in 1-1-1980, the Sudasa for that rasi will actually start in 5.4 years earlier than 1-1-1980.

I noticed that JHora 7.32 does not progress in the reverse for SL in Cancer for example (without Ketu and Saturn in it). It starts as Cn, Ar, Cp, Li, then instead of going Ge, Pi, Sg, Vi - it goes Le, Sc, Aq, Ta - which is not what PVR's book says.

The preceding is my understanding. Others, please feel free to correct me.

Somnath

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya. Om Namo Narayanaya Namaha.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 1:20 AM, rozi <astrologya wrote:

hare rama krishna dear members nad gurus

I am using jaganatha hora programbut I confuse about sudasa calculationNarasimha Rao mentioned about SL must starting always from SL signbut when I calculating my chart by jaganatha hora it begins from opposite of SL sign.

do I change some menus? or not would it be possible to enlighten me did I undertsand this Sudasa wrong?best regards..rozi

March 12, 2009

Dear Somnath,

Calculations and application of Sudasa is part of second year in

course jaimini scholar,at the moment few people, in tradition has

knowledge of it.

If you have interest in SJC teachings. For people in India

Delhi chapter is conducting jaimini scholar program and perhaps one

interested may be benefited if they join it.

Currently some dasa calculations in J hora are

different than taught.

Hope this information helps.

On Behalf

Of Sam Sivaskandan

12 March 2009 06:12

Re: [Om Krishna Guru] sudasa calc.

Om Namo Bhagavate

Vasudevaya. Om Namo Narayanaya Namaha.

JHora 7.32 is the most comprehensive program ever

written for Vedic Astrology that I have had the opportunity to use. But I

believe there may still be some bugs. One of them appears to be in

Sudasa calculations. According to PVR's book Vedic Astrology an

Integrated Approach, he states that:

Sudasa starts from the rasi having SL in

it. Sudasa progresses from that SL rasi in quadrants first, followed

by panaparas and apoklimas.

The direction of progression depends on whether

the rasi containing SL is odd or even. If the rasi containing SL is

odd (say Leo), then the progression will be Leo, Scorpio,

Aquarius, Taurus, Virgo, Saggitarius, Pisces, Gemini, Libra, Capricorn,

Aries, Cancer. If the rasi containing SL is even (say Cancer),

then the progression will be reverse (i.e. Cancer, Aries, Capricorn,

Libra, Gemini, Pisces, Saggitarius, Virgo, Taurus, Aquarius, Scorpio,

Leo).

If Saturn is present with SL, then the

progression is regular

If Ketu is in SL then the order of progression is

reversed (e.g. if Ketu is in Cancer with SL (but without Saturn),

then progression will be Cancer, Libra, Capricorn, etc.)

Dasa time periods are calculated just like

Narayana Dasa time periods.

There is a time period adjustment for the first

dasa. (30 - SL)/30 times the period of the first dasa is the balance

of the first dasa at birth.

Sudasa is identical to Lagna Kendradi Dasa

(LKD) with the exception that SL rasi has to be the starting

sign. Another way to compute Sudasa in JHora 7.32 is to

run the LKD on Jhora by forcing the start of

dasa from the SL rasi by changing the default start of dasa rasi to

the rasi having SL. (Normally, if you don't force select

option, LKD will select the stronger of Lagna or 7th to start,

but Sudasa necessarily starts from SL).

then manually find out how many years the balance

of dasa should be for the starting dasa by using the ((30-SL)/30) X (first

dasa time period).

Manually adjust all subsequent dasa periods to be

consistent with the balance of dasa computed above. For example, if first

dasa is 9 years and the fraction for balance of dasa is 0.4, the the first

dasa is only 3.6 years for Sudasa (not 9 years as shown in the LKD

calculations by the program). So all subsequent dasas will start

(9-3.6) years = 5.4 years earlier than what is

listed for LKD. So if the LKD calculations shows a subsequent dasa

as starting in 1-1-1980, the Sudasa for that rasi will actually start in

5.4 years earlier than 1-1-1980.

I noticed that JHora 7.32 does not progress in the reverse

for SL in Cancer for example (without Ketu and Saturn in it).

It starts as Cn, Ar, Cp, Li, then instead of going Ge, Pi, Sg, Vi - it goes Le,

Sc, Aq, Ta - which is not what PVR's book says.

The preceding is my understanding. Others, please feel

free to correct me.

Somnath

Om Namo Bhagavate

Vasudevaya. Om Namo Narayanaya Namaha.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 1:20 AM, rozi <astrologya wrote:

hare rama krishna dear members nad gurus

I am using jaganatha hora program

but I confuse about sudasa calculation

Narasimha Rao mentioned about SL must starting always from SL sign

but when I calculating my chart by jaganatha hora it begins from opposite of SL

sign.

do I change some menus? or not

would it be possible to enlighten me did I undertsand this Sudasa wrong?

best regards..

rozi

March 13, 2009

Om Namah Sivaya

Dear Rozi, Namaste,

Probably the opposite sign to SL that is is the 7th house of SL is stronger than

the sign in SL. Since it was programmed that dasa to start from the stronger of

Lagna or its 7th house, sometime we get this problem which you can override with

changing the settings of the dasa calculations using Options button on the Rasi

dasas page.

By the way, SL must be called as Tara Lagna, not Sri Lagna. But, SJC calls it

Sri Lagna. Jaimini commentaries, for example, Phalaratnamala mentions Sri Lagna

differently. And it is connected to Venus and Moon sign lord and hence that Shri

Lagna is important for prosperity.

Try your luck with this special dasa that SJC created.

Regards,

Shanmukha.

sohamsa , " rozi " <astrologya wrote:

>

> hare rama krishna dear members and gurus

>

> I am using jaganatha hora program

>

> but I confuse about sudasa calculation

>

> Narasimha Rao mentioned about SL must starting always from SL sign

>

> but when I calculating my chart by jaganatha hora it begins from opposite of

SL sign.

>

> do I change some menus? or not

>

> would it be possible to enlighten me did I undertsand this Sudasa wrong?

>

> best regards..

>

> rozi

>

March 13, 2009

हरे राम कृष्ण

Dear Shamukha, Namaskar.

To clarify, the term 'Tara Lagna' is not the name that Jaimini gives to

this special point. Some have derived it from the calculation:

'tara-arka-amshe...'.

The tradition which began SJC calls it Shri Lagna because of

the following:

The nakshatra of the Moon indicates the mind and its sense of

happiness. This is the true meaning of Shrii.

The 1/12th division of the nakshatra shows how this is manifesting

as all wealth and fortune manifests through the Rasi.

The addition of the derived longitude in the previous step with

that of the Lagna's longitude shows how the individual is experiencing

this manifestation. Otherwise how can we say its our

Shri Lagna unless lagna is involved.

Somebody can call it something else, but Jaimini never called it Tara

Lagna, so that name is a creation from some who didn't learn it from

this tradition, or maybe even just derived it.

Further, the calculation that PVR Narasimha Rao has used in the

software and in his previous writings (he also published a lesson in

the Varahamihira list reg. this) is different from the Dasa that we are

taught in the Maharishi Jaimini Upadesa Sutra course taught by Pt.

Sanjay Rath. The Su-Dasa that Jagannath Hora has is not the Su-Dasa

taught in the tradition but has its use. Hence, again the Su-Dasa given

in Jagannath Hora is not the creation of the tradition which began SJC.

I hope this clarifies the given points.

Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen

----------

Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer)

www: www: http://srigaruda.com

@: visti

Shanmukha skrev:

Om Namah Sivaya

Dear Rozi, Namaste,

Probably the opposite sign to SL that is is the 7th house of SL is

stronger than the sign in SL. Since it was programmed that dasa to

start from the stronger of Lagna or its 7th house, sometime we get this

problem which you can override with changing the settings of the dasa

calculations using Options button on the Rasi dasas page.

By the way, SL must be called as Tara Lagna, not Sri Lagna. But, SJC

calls it Sri Lagna. Jaimini commentaries, for example, Phalaratnamala

mentions Sri Lagna differently. And it is connected to Venus and Moon

sign lord and hence that Shri Lagna is important for prosperity.

Try your luck with this special dasa that SJC created.

Regards,

Shanmukha.

sohamsa ,

"rozi" <astrologya wrote:

>

> hare rama krishna dear members and gurus

>

> I am using jaganatha hora program

>

> but I confuse about sudasa calculation

>

> Narasimha Rao mentioned about SL must starting always from SL sign

>

> but when I calculating my chart by jaganatha hora it begins from

opposite of SL sign.

>

> do I change some menus? or not

>

> would it be possible to enlighten me did I undertsand this Sudasa

wrong?

>

> best regards..

>

> rozi

>

March 14, 2009

हरे राम कृष्ण

Dear Shanmukha, Namaskar.

Thank you for sharing your inputs, I appreciate them.

I understand that Sanjayji wishes to use this forum for sharing and

discussing the knowledge that he was taught by his Guruji Pt. Kashinath

Rath and thus also the Gurus which preceded him. Your questions are

therefore completely welcome.

At the outset let me clarify that these mails are for discussion and

not with the intention to convince you or change your mind, but intend

to clarify what has been taught in the tradition to the best of my

knowledge. I hope for a scholarly approach to a spiritual subject.

Its important to note that within SJC are Gurus who have learnt from

different teachers previously with many very different approaches which

cannot be said to represent the knowledge that Sanjayji has, and which

they themselves have admitted. Therefore know that SJC in its present

form may not represent the Parampara of Sri Achyutananda Dasa which

Sanjayji hails from. I will do my best to relay what Sanjayji has

taught me in this regard.

Here are my replies to the points you have raised:

You wrote:

If Jaimini never

called it Tara Lagna, kindly let me know what he called this special

point. Kindly let me know the reference sutra in Jaimini Sutras that

calls this as Shri Lagna.

Visti: I hope the following will be displayed properly for you in

Unicode:

Adhyaya 2, Pada 4, Sloka 27:

तारार्कांशे मन्दाद्यो दशेशः॥

tārārkāṁśe mandādyo daśeśaḥ||

The above is the actual calculation of the point, i.e. tara: nakshatra;

arka: the sun or twelve sunsigns; amsha: division, i.e. the

division by twelve; manda: Saturn, numerologicaly indicating 1

or Lagna; adya: increase, addition, adding, hence adding the

previously mentioned division to Manda, which here is more likely to

indicate Lagna and not Saturn; dasha; means servant or ten.

Most likely an error is here and should read daasha, i.e. period or a

dasha; isha: lord, hence daashesha indicates the lord of the

Dasha. Another derivation can indicate that we must see the lord of

this point, which also finds reference in the slokas which follow this

one.

So Jaimini defined a point for a daasha system, but has nowhere

given the name for the specific point. Parashara has also referred to

this point and this dasha system on page 102 & 103 of Vol 2 of GC

Sharma's translation edition of BPHS. Its the Dasha-adhyaya sloka 188.

Parashara calls the dasa Lagnadi-Rasi Dasa.

So, based on these two references some call this dasa: lagnadi dasa,

rasi dasa, some call it Su-Dasa also, but read another of my points

below regarding this.

The reason why the specific point is called Shri Lagna in this

tradition I will also indicate in answer to another point below, but

one reason the term has been used in this tradition is because of the

understanding of the use of this special point which Maharishi Jaimini

also gives:

तस्मिन्नुच्चे नीचे वा श्रीमन्तः॥

tasminnucce nīce vā śrīmantaḥ||

This sloka is given just after the previous one and can refer to the

lord of the specific point because of the word 'isha' in the end of the

previous sloka. A clear reference to one becoming a Shrimantah, i.e.

one endowed with Shri is indicated, hence this tradition treats this

Lagna to understand ones level of Shri in ones life. More below.

You wrote: I am

compelled to

understand from writings of SJC Gurus like you is that only the

students following SJC only can write on this list. And also, it

becomes apparent that you guys believe that your tradition of SJC is

only the authenticated one to comment/interpret on Jaimini. And

whatever the name you give for anything is the word of the mouth of

Jaimini. Thanks for your scholarly approach.

Visti: I have clarified the initial point in your sentence earlier.

I cannot speak on behalf of others w.r.t. beliefs. Our tradition traces

back to Shrii Achyutananda Dasa whom was responsible for ensuring the

continuity of the Jyotish traditions in Kalinga in the 1400's. We have

been taught that Maharishi Jaimini is much much older than that, and if

there is any connection between them then it is surely due to the

existence of the Guru-Sishya Paramparas since that time, and they have

surely been responsible for all the other Paramparas existing all over

India. When taught the sutras we are taught opinions on the slokas from

different Paramparas also, and based on this also the opinion of the

Parampara in this regard. Specifically input has been borrowed from the

Bengal school as well.

I do have a point which I am sure you agree with: right now my Guruji

is speaking the loudest on the Maharishi Jaimini Upadesa Sutras. But

this is not a big achievement to compare with as very few are speaking

on these sutras and even fewer Guru's are available in India to relay

these sutras to others. So far I only know of one other Guru who has

such qualifications.

You wrote: At least

they

followed the sutra and followed their tradition as SJC follow its own

tradition. The good thing about the *Some* is they followed the Jaimini

Sutra, not coined a new term at their will.

Visti: Oh, we are just following what has been taught earlier...

Sanjayji didn't make up this term. I am not really concerned about the

term we choose as long as we know what we are talking about.

You wrote: So pity.

Kindly let

me know the version of Su-Dasa you were taught before this new Jaimini

Upadesha Program began. Is it not the one that JHora gives? Then, for

the last so many years Narasimha Rao has been teaching a Su-Dasa which

was not endorsed by SJC and you all guys were silent on this until a

new Jaimini Upadesa course crops up. And this new secret Su-Dasa which

is accessible to the participants of that program is the new Su-Dasa

that your time old tradition now supports.

Visti: What secret? If you read Sanjayji's translation of the the

Jaimini Sutras you will see that Jagannath Hora is doing something

completely different. The calculation is published in Sanjayjis

translation and given very clearly also in BPHS have been available for

more than 10 years now. So who is to blame? Us who didn't read the

books and just used whatever was given to us (earlier versions of JHora

had an option to calculate Su-Dasa based on Sanjayjis and Sharma's

translation), or those who wrote but didn't point fingers? Again my

exclamations here are only to show the futility of the situation one is

put in when faced with such questions.

You wrote: And SJC

supports Jagannatha

Hora and distributes it. So scholarly approach.

Visti: I must raise a complaint towards this idea, despite

people who held this idea being well justified in having the same: When

did SJC get the opportunity to support? The software was made, updated

and changed by PVR Narasimha Rao alone. He did a monumental job, but

other than acknowledging who his Guru is in the software, SJC has not

directly had any hands in the software for some time now. It has been

distributed earlier because it was free and versatile, but we cannot

say its an SJC production... its a PVR production at most.

You wrote: I fear I

don't understand this. Sri has much more than you mentioned. Sri is

Goddess Lakshmi and She is prosperity.

Excuse my previous brevity of words. Shrii is indeed the Goddess

Lakshmi, but what I was trying to relay is the impact that she has on

us personally as individuals and that this is found based on the

calculations I mentioned and hence the reason we can understand if a

person is endowed with her blessings (shrimantah) or otherwise due to

the state of this Shri, Tara, etc. Lagna.

You wrote: I wrote

that how

Shri Lagna should be calculated. It shall be calculated from the

longitudes of Moon sign lord and Venus and the firth house. Now you can

understand why that particular point is called Shri Lagna.

Visti: Yes, I indeed can accept that as a means to analyse Shrii in our

lives. Is this used specifically to predict marriage and the fruits

thereof, i.e. children?

You wrote: Please

remember that

I was referring to the commentary called "PHALRATNAMALA" by Krishna

Mishra. He is the one who gave the parameters like Yogada, Kevala, and

Somanatha Drekkana etc. that your esteemed tradition kindly recognizes.

It is the documentary evidence about these Jaimini Parameters, which

astonishingly never referred by any SJC Guru in their teachings. If you

want to equate Krishna Mishra, the author of Phalaratnamala with any

living commentator including your Guru or to any tradition including

SJC, I am really sorry. Only GOD can save us. Krishna Mishra wrote

Phalaratnamala by referring to the TWO THOUSAND texts available with

him. He was the real Raja Jyotisha of supreme repute and was awarded

millions of Gold coins for his work by erstwhile Vikramaditya. You

never know how many paramparas he referred in his commentary. You know

only one parampara which largely based on Kalpalatha and Phalaratnamala

and unfortunately nobody here tried to read it. Of course, I am here

referring to only Jaimini parameters and I don't know much of Parasara

concepts in your parampara.

Visti: Thank you for the reference. Does Pt. Krishna Mishra give a name

for this Tara, Shri, etc. Lagna? If we are to nitpick on terms we might

find many double-names, i.e. the Kalpadruma Yoga of BPHS, has three

quite different variations as per Chandra Kala Nadi as do many other

yogas. This doesn't mean the term is wrong, but the use and effect may

be different.

Thank you for a healthy discussion, and the opportunity to write about

Shrii.

Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen

----------

Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer)

www: http://srigaruda.com

@: visti

Shanmukha skrev:

Om Namah Sivaya

Dear

Visti, Namaste,

Thank you

very much for responding to my mail. I know I am not welcome on this

list, yet I write the following. Kindly have a look at the following

points.

Visti: Somebody can call it

something else, but Jaimini never called it Tara Lagna, so that name is

a creation from some who didn't learn it from this tradition, or maybe

even just derived it.

If Jaimini never called

it Tara Lagna, kindly let me know what he called this special point.

Kindly let me know the reference sutra in Jaimini Sutras that calls

this as Shri Lagna.

I am compelled to

understand from writings of SJC Gurus like you is that only the

students following SJC only can write on this list. And also, it

becomes apparent that you guys believe that your tradition of SJC is

only the authenticated one to comment/interpret on Jaimini. And

whatever the name you give for anything is the word of the mouth of

Jaimini. Thanks for your scholarly approach.

Visti:

Some have derived it from the calculation: 'tara-arka-amshe...'.

At least they followed

the sutra and followed their tradition as SJC follow its own tradition.

The good thing about the *Some* is they followed the Jaimini Sutra, not

coined a new term at their will.

Vishti:

Further, the calculation that PVR Narasimha Rao has used in the

software and in his previous writings (he also published a lesson in

the Varahamihira list reg. this) is different from the Dasa that we are

taught in the Maharishi Jaimini Upadesa Sutra course taught by Pt.

Sanjay Rath. The Su-Dasa that Jagannath Hora has is not the Su-Dasa

taught in the tradition but has its use. Hence, again the Su-Dasa given

in Jagannath Hora is not the creation of the tradition which began SJC.

So pity. Kindly let me

know the version of Su-Dasa you were taught before this new Jaimini

Upadesha Program began. Is it not the one that JHora gives? Then, for

the last so many years Narasimha Rao has been teaching a Su-Dasa which

was not endorsed by SJC and you all guys were silent on this until a

new Jaimini Upadesa course crops up. And this new secret Su-Dasa which

is accessible to the participants of that program is the new Su-Dasa

that your time old tradition now supports. And SJC supports Jagannatha

Hora and distributes it. So scholarly approach.

Kindly refer me to the

manuscript or the relevant verse that mentions SJC's new teaching of

Su-Dasa. As you may know the Parampara of India is based on slokas. And

the Indian tradition always documents in a sloka form even it be a

family secret.

Vishti:

The nakshatra of the Moon indicates the mind and its sense of

happiness. This is the true meaning of Shrii.

I fear I don't understand

this. Sri has much more than you mentioned. Sri is Goddess Lakshmi and

She is prosperity.

I wrote that how Shri

Lagna should be calculated. It shall be calculated from the longitudes

of Moon sign lord and Venus and the firth house. Now you can understand

why that particular point is called Shri Lagna.

Please remember that I

was referring to the commentary called "PHALRATNAMALA" by Krishna