visti new case study NO CHILDREN: Please help danger to children?

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Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Michal,

 

(///////shaking off a whole inch of dust from this copy of "The Big Book"////////// .

 

Please give me a hand, it really is a very big book, which page? Help!

 

Now check what I have found (right after "Yogas causing asceticism" :), a "micro chapter" on female nativities. "Yogas of barrenness" (pg.682)... "If the the Moon and Venus..........and the 5th house is occupied or aspected by the malefic in the female nativity, that woman will be barren." Why is 5th bhava mentioned here? (I am still aiming on Rasi chart)

 

I am a believer, I just need a really good explanation.

 

Other than this, Budh and Sani are eunuch Grahas, okay. But... Budh is more boy indicator, and Sani is more girl indicator. Now what? That Budh in Saptamsa is still very strong in Mithuna.

 

In this D7, lord of first pregnancy (Mangal) is joined Ketu. This usually cancels 2nd pregnancy. Lord of 2nd pregnancy is also related to nodal axis. Even if somehow, by some miracle, 2nd pregnancy is possible to explain... Dear Michal, how on Earth is possible to explain 3rd pregnancy here with this strong nodal influence all over around?

 

Warm Regards,

Maja

 

Hari Om Tat Sat

 

 

 

--- On Thu, 3/12/09, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote:

Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal[Om Krishna Guru] visti new case study Re: NO CHILDREN: Please help danger to children? Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 4:30 PM

 

 

Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Maja,In Rasi chart should we look at 9th house for women irrespective of lagna being odd/even? Where is my copy of BPHS?In Saptamsa - 9th lord is Mars with neecha Ketu, Budha, in female sign, with only the Sun being a male factor.Lagnesh is there so she demands a lot from this child and there can be terrible arguments - Mars/Ketu with Shani/Rahu aspecting.Jupiter, the lord of the 3rd pregnancy is not involved in this axis and is in the 4th house which should make the son the most dear to her.Having said that:There are also many other factors to consider like the fact that male charts are supposed to determine the sex of the child despite the indications in the female chart. There can also be failed pregnancies, birth time discrepencies, and a general lack of information about the children which makes speculation with our level of knowledge a little futile. Better to study

charts where history is well documented.Regards,Michal, Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote:>> Om Gurave Namah>  > Dear Michal and Lakshmi,>  > Michal:>  > (Thanx. I felt like someone pressed "turn off" button for everyone >  > Do you really use odd lagna-female native and look at 9th bhava for children? >  > Thanx for pointing on on Utpana Tara. (I stopped counting how many times you reminded me about this)>  > What do you think of a simple rule: odd lagna-5th bhava for first pregnancy in saptamsa without relating it to female/male native? Because that 9th

lord (if D7 is correct) doesn't really look like female child (Budh is strongest of all Grahas in yuti with Mangal). Move saptamsa lagna to Karka, you get only more problems to find female child as first born due to dual lordship if you apply "female native/even saptamsa lagna" and observe 5th bhava (refer to previous bracket . Unless taking Ketu debilitated alone-female child.> Â > Lakshmi:> Â > BK/AmK Chara Karaka replacement works fine for this lady (teaching). I thought of this while writing previous email. Very intelligent lady (hint: observe placement of LL)? > Â > Was first pregnancy and delivery very difficult? (Just in case you are informed about these details)> Â > This has nothing to do with her chart observation: younger two, are they involved in some kind of drug abuse?> Â > Warm Regards,> Maja Strbac> Â > Hari Om

Tat Sat> > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...> wrote:> > > Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...>> [Om Krishna Guru] visti new case study Re: NO CHILDREN: Please help danger to children?> > Thursday, March 12, 2009, 2:57 PM> > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna ||> > Dear Lakshmi, Maja,> > A few thoughts:> > Mars and Saturn conjunction in 1st/7th house is not good for mental stability, here it is badhaksthana, and Mars is AK in MKS. 5th house is afflicted and 5th lord going to 8th is not good for citta, especially under papakartari shows a lot of pressure. There are

two vakra graha in arudha lagna which shows going against the establishment. Lagna lord in 9th is a person who seeks freedom and in the sign kumbha under curse can show someone who will not conform and will break rules. In this case the free wheeling attitude was experienced through spouse as Mercury is the lord of first UL in Kanya showing the first husband breaking the law and probably being involved with drugs (Sun/Rahu). Guruchandala yoga is in 2nd house and he was murdered in prison.> 2nd UL has Ketu in Aries which fits the description you gave.> > Since Moon is in the 3rd house we should use Vimshottari from Utpana tara. Jupiter dasa was running since her early twenties. Jupiter is also Ishta Devata. Moola dasa was Rahu and then Jupiter.> > In a women's chart should we look at 5th house for children?> > Regards,> Michal> > , Lakshmi Kary

<lakshmikary@ ...> wrote:> >> > Hare Rama Krishna> > Dear Maja,> > Thank-you for your reply. > > Here is a bit more info. > > She is always struggling financially. > > Currently this lady is a teacher, before that she was stay at home mother. She is a religious and sentimental lady, very good hearted, loves her children dearly, raised them almost entirely herself because husbands werent around.> > .Her children are struggling to make a place for themselves in life. The younger 2 come into some dangerous situations past few years.> > First childs father went to prison when child was just a few years, he was killed in prison, even though he wasnt supposed to be in there for very long.> > The second husband and father of the younger 2 children was an angry man and left her, after the birth of her son. He passed away a few years ago.> > She

has had some misc short lived relationships in between, but has since given up on finding another spouse.> > Best wishes> > Lakshmi> > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, majastrbacastro@ ... <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > majastrbacastro@ ... <majastrbacastro@ ...>> > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] visti new case study Re: NO CHILDREN: Please help danger to children?> > > > Thursday, March 12, 2009, 11:59 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah> > Â > > Dear Lakshmi, > > Â > > Â > > This Maha Dasa doesn't necessarily mean a threat to children,

since grahas placed in bhava refer on approach to certain life area. Since malefic is placed there, her attitude towards own children is not really example of perfect attitude. Also, this same combination of 9th and 7th lord as Rahu/Guru could show that children came sudden while she was still in relationship with her ex (late) husband even before they made a concrete decision to get married. > >  > > Rahu MD can bring lack of support for her own ideals (9th) and desires (7th) in some relation with children, for example. For Ra/Gu combination Shiva mantras are solution. Shiva Panchakshari seems very nice for her (Namah Shivaya). I would be more worried for her health since 2nd bhava from AD is A8. (Guru is badhakesh, joined Ra in 5th, how is she doing with gall bladder?) > >  > > Lord of 5th bhava placed in 8th shows that concrete decisions related

to children are quite good for children, but not necessarily for this lady. A5 is how children manifest in this world. Joined with Sukra, they can be pretty much charming  It is not so good that A5 is joined with A6 though. > >  > > Lives of each individual child are to be seen from Saptamsha chart (and threats too). Dear, here I come to the point where I have a serious problem, since I am having some 5-7 different versions available on how this divisional chart should be interpreted. I am holding my fingers crossed to see Visti here included. > >  > > BTW are these children from first marriage or was there a relationship/ marriage before? > >  > > Warm Regards, > > Maja Strbac > >  > > Hari Om Tat Sat > >  > >  > > > > > > --- On

Thu, 3/12/09, lakshmikary <lakshmikary@ > wrote:> > > > > > lakshmikary <lakshmikary@ >> > [Om Krishna Guru] visti new case study Re: NO CHILDREN: Please help danger to children?> > > > Thursday, March 12, 2009, 9:40 AM> > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna> > Dear Visti,> > Hope you can enlighten me on this case.> > This is the single mother of 3 children, for reference her ex husband passed away a few years ago while Saturn was in gemini/cancer I believe.> > She has Rahu and retro Jupiter in the 5th with 5th lord in the 8th with A5.> > She is now in Rahu Rahu.When is it likly something could happen,or even would something happen with one of her children?> > How will Saturns transit through 5thhouse

go?> > Is she in danger of loosing one of her children? Or is this combo just a dharmic falldown and would one go to prison? > > How to tell ,Of the 3 children , 1st daughter, 2nd daughter, 3rd son which would be in danger?> > Im also looking at 3rd from A5 is rashi dristhi Mars and Saturn.> > Also, in a situation like this what would be the best mantras, and can you please give your reasoning, I would be greatly appreciative.> > Please guide me in understanding this placement of Rahu and retro jupiter in 5th, 5 in 8th etc.> > thanks> > Lakshmi> > > > guruchandalaquestio n> > > > Natal Chart> > > > March 4, 1958> > Time: 11:30:00 am> > Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)> > Place: 9 E 01' 00", 52 N 96' 00"> > Germany> > Altitude: 0.00 meters> > > > Lunar

Yr-Mo: Hemalamba - Phalguna> > Tithi: Sukla Chaturdasi (Ve) (56.98% left)> > Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma)> > Nakshatra: Magha (Ke) (90.69% left)> > Yoga: Sukarman (Ma) (90.10% left)> > Karana: Garija (Ju) (13.97% left)> > Hora Lord: Moon (5 min sign: Sc)> > Mahakala Hora: Saturn (5 min sign: Pi)> > Kaala Lord: Mercury (Mahakala: Venus)> > > > Sunrise: 7:12:05 am> > Sunset: 6:00:34 pm> > Janma Ghatis: 10.7468> > > > Ayanamsa: 23-16-31.91> > Sidereal Time: 21:52:48> > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa> > > > Lagna 10 Ge 30' 08.85" Ardr 2 Ge Cp> > Sun - BK 20 Aq 04' 44.53" PBha 1 Aq Ar> > Moon - DK 1 Le 14' 27.27" Magh 1 Le Ar> > Mars - AK 27 Sg 21' 32.39" USha 1 Sg Sg> > Mercury - AmK 20 Aq 37' 20.28" PBha 1 Aq

Ar> > Jupiter ® - PK 7 Li 56' 38.81" Swat 1 Li Sg> > Venus - PiK 11 Cp 01' 40.27" Srav 1 Cp Ar> > Saturn - GK 1 Sg 37' 44.63" Mool 1 Sg Ar> > Rahu - MK 10 Li 48' 12.01" Swat 2 Li Cp> > Ketu 10 Ar 48' 12.01" Aswi 4 Ar Cn> > Maandi 1 Cn 28' 55.64" Puna 4 Cn Cn> > Gulika 23 Ge 57' 40.41" Puna 2 Ge Ta> > Uranus ® 14 Cn 59' 48.00" Push 4 Cn Sc> > Neptune ® 11 Li 17' 52.14" Swat 2 Li Cp> > Pluto ® 7 Le 29' 30.82" Magh 3 Le Ge> > Bhava Lagna 24 Ar 22' 49.60" Bhar 4 Ar Sc> > Hora Lagna 28 Ge 51' 40.56" Puna 3 Ge Ge> > Ghati Lagna 12 Cp 18' 13.42" Srav 1 Cp Ar> > Vighati Lagna 19 Vi 30' 57.74" Hast 3 Vi Ge> > Varnada Lagna 10 Vi 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Vi Ar> > Sree Lagna 14 Cn 00' 25.10" Push 4 Cn Sc> > Pranapada Lagna 19 Ta 41' 43.62" Rohi 3 Ta Ge> > Indu Lagna 1 Aq 14' 27.27" Dhan

3 Aq Li> > Dhooma 3 Cn 24' 44.53" Push 1 Cn Le> > Vyatipata 26 Sg 35' 15.47" PSha 4 Sg Sc> > Parivesha 26 Ge 35' 15.47" Puna 2 Ge Ta> > Indra Chapa 3 Cp 24' 44.53" USha 3 Cp Aq> > Upaketu 20 Cp 04' 44.53" Srav 4 Cp Cn> > Kaala 29 Cn 36' 20.90" Asre 4 Cn Pi> > Mrityu 16 Pi 28' 03.83" UBha 4 Pi Sc> > Artha Prahara 0 Ta 29' 01.25" Krit 2 Ta Cp> > Yama Ghantaka 27 Ta 15' 32.72" Mrig 2 Ta Vi> > Prana Sphuta 16 Ge 28' 24.66" Ardr 3 Ge Aq> > Deha Sphuta 3 Pi 53' 18.55" UBha 1 Pi Le> > Mrityu Sphuta 7 Li 48' 27.38" Swat 1 Li Sg> > Sookshma TriSphuta 28 Sc 10' 10.60" Jye 4 Sc Pi> > TriSphuta 5 Cp 42' 16.53" USha 3 Cp Aq> > ChatusSphuta 25 Sc 47' 01.06" Jye 3 Sc Aq> > PanchaSphuta 6 Ge 35' 13.07" Mrig 4 Ge Sc> > V2 10 Li 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Li Ta> > V3 10 Cp 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Cp

Sg> > V4 10 Aq 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Aq Vi> > V5 10 Ta 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Ta Sg> > V6 10 Ge 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Ge Ta> > V7 10 Vi 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Vi Ar> > V8 10 Li 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Li Ta> > V9 10 Cp 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Cp Sg> > V10 10 Aq 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Aq Vi> > V11 10 Ta 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Ta Sg> > V12 10 Ge 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Ge Ta> > Kunda 10 Aq 41' 56.91" Sata 2 Aq Cp> > > > Rasi > > +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +> > | \ / \ / |> > | \ Md / \ / |> > | \ / \ / |> > | \ / HL \ / |> > | \ / \ / |> > |Mo x As x Ke |> > | / \ / \ |> > | / \ Gk / \ |> > | / \ / \ |> > | / \ 3 / \ |> > | / \ / \ |> > | x |> > | \ / \ / |> > | \ / \ / |> > | \ / \ / |> >

| \ / Sa \ / |> > |AL \ / \ / |> > |JuR Ra x Ma x Me Su |> > | / \ / \ |> > | / \ / \ |> > | / \ / \ |> > | / \ / Ve \ |> > | / \ / GL \ |> > +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +> > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):> > > > Ket Ket 1957-07-11 Ven 1957-12-08 Sun 1959-02-05 > > Moon 1959-06-13 Mars 1960-01-13 Rah 1960-06-09 > > Jup 1961-06-28 Sat 1962-06-04 Merc 1963-07-15 > > Ven Ven 1964-07-11 Sun 1967-11-12 Moon 1968-11-11 > > Mars 1970-07-11 Rah 1971-09-12 Jup 1974-09-12 > > Sat 1977-05-09 Merc 1980-07-11 Ket 1983-05-10 > > Sun Sun 1984-07-11 Moon 1984-10-30 Mars 1985-04-27 > > Rah 1985-09-05 Jup 1986-07-30 Sat 1987-05-16 > > Merc 1988-04-27 Ket 1989-03-03 Ven 1989-07-11 > > Moon Moon 1990-07-11 Mars 1991-05-10 Rah

1991-12-11 > > Jup 1993-06-10 Sat 1994-10-12 Merc 1996-05-09 > > Ket 1997-10-12 Ven 1998-05-10 Sun 2000-01-10 > > Mars Mars 2000-07-11 Rah 2000-12-08 Jup 2001-12-26 > > Sat 2002-12-02 Merc 2004-01-10 Ket 2005-01-06 > > Ven 2005-06-04 Sun 2006-08-06 Moon 2006-12-11 > > Rah Rah 2007-07-12 Jup 2010-03-22 Sat 2012-08-18 > > Merc 2015-06-23 Ket 2018-01-10 Ven 2019-01-27 > > Sun 2022-01-27 Moon 2022-12-23 Mars 2024-06-22 > > Jup Jup 2025-07-11 Sat 2027-08-31 Merc 2030-03-10 > > Ket 2032-06-16 Ven 2033-05-22 Sun 2036-01-22 > > Moon 2036-11-11 Mars 2038-03-10 Rah 2039-02-14 > > Sat Sat 2041-07-11 Merc 2044-07-14 Ket 2047-03-22 > > Ven 2048-04-30 Sun 2051-07-03 Moon 2052-06-13 > > Mars 2054-01-13 Rah 2055-02-20 Jup 2057-12-29 > > Merc Merc 2060-07-11 Ket 2062-12-09 Ven 2063-12-06 > > Sun 2066-10-07 Moon

2067-08-13 Mars 2069-01-10 > > Rah 2070-01-07 Jup 2072-07-27 Sat 2074-11-03 > > > > , Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:> > >> > > ??? ??? ?????> > > Dear Vinayak & Namita, Namaskar.> > > Lakshmi is perfectly right that the Shani-Rahu yoga need not deny > > > children but can cause some unusual circumstances, provided other > > > circumstances are there, or dead children. Either way it points towards > > > a Shraddha-Dosha on the mothers side of the family which indicates that > > > the last rites of the same have not been performed fully.> > > > > > Reg. children.> > > The arudhas of third and ninth houses are both badly placed from the Sun > > > which shows this dosha as being a physical obstruction on part of the > >

> husband.> > > As the same Arudhas counted from the Sun have one in eighth from the Sun > > > and the other is joined Venus and Mercury, it makes it practically > > > impossible to have children. Doctors assistance is necessary as well as > > > remedies. Check his Santana tithi and revert back with your findings and > > > a remedy.> > > > > > The wife does not seem to suffer any such flaw.> > > Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ----> > > Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer)> > > www: www: http://srigaruda. com> > > @: visti@> > > > > > Lakshmi Kary skrev:> > > >> > > > Hare Rama Krishna> > > > Dear Namita,> > >

> I did not look at the chart in question,> > > > but often when you see Rahu/Saturn in the 5th house, it means > > > > unconventional or untraditional, in general rahu and Saturn can imply > > > > some sort of cheating or scandel depending on the house its in, (but > > > > depends on whether benefics are aspecting) but can also indicate one a > > > > positive side , poisons, people who work with chemicals that sort of > > > > thing(chemist, chemotherapy, people who prescribe such things)> > > > > > > > In the 5th house.> > > > for example, the native will send up getting adopted children,> > > > or perhaps they will marry a person that already has children by a > > > > previous marriage,> > > > or they will get children through unconventional or what used to be

> > > > untraditional means.,> > > > ie have test tube babies ,etc> > > > Hope that helps.> > > > Lakshmi> > > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Hare Rama Krsna ||

 

Dear Maja,

 

We are to consider conjunctions, sign (as either male or female), and

uccha/neecha all together, weigh them up and then decide what will be the sex of

the child. So in this case - Mars conjoins Ketu (f), Ketu neecha (f), Surya

(m), Budha (m), and Mithuna (f). 3 to 2 in favour of female.

 

Regards,

Michal

 

 

, majastrbacastro wrote:

>

>

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>  

> Dear Michal,

>  

> " So what happened? She is daughter of one partner - so there was a kind of

break. " that specific point of brake is what I am aiming on. (Rest on this issue

I will write to you privately)

>  

> " Why is budha more male and Shani more female? " If you are familiar with the

details why this was written in " Crux " and why it is no longer of any use, I

would love to read more about it. I am still in a phase of learning in which I

have no other choice but to take Sanjay's books literally, unless I am given a

good explanation by his students.

>  

> Does it matter whether graha are in own sign like budha in mithuna?

>

> No, no, no. I was not equalizing uccha/neecha and own Rasi for Saptamsa

case. If previous (Budha signifying male) is correct, then lord Mangal is

not specially placed in Mithuna, next step is to observe Grahas in Yuti (if

this was not the case, we take sign it self, Mithuna is exception among odd

signs, indicating a female), and among them Budh seems like having strongest

placement. If Budha is showing male children, then Yuti with this graha would

indicate a boy. This is what I tried to say.

>  

> Yes, only Jupiter can continue pregnancies, but it is not having dristi on 7th

or 5th bhava. Do you consider kendra placement and Guru being Vakri as strong

enough for this Saptamsa?

>  

> Warm Regards,

> Maja

>  

> --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote:

>

>

> Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal

> [Om Krishna Guru] visti new case study Re: NO CHILDREN: Please help

danger to children?

>

> Friday, March 13, 2009, 3:56 AM

Hare Rama Krsna ||

>

> Dear Maja,

>

> So with first pregnancy we reached Ketu... So what happened? She is daughter

of one partner - so there was a kind of break. Next two children came, and third

was possible due to influence of Jupiter. Only Jupiter can continue pregnancies

after reaching nodes.

>

> Why is budha more male and Shani more female?

>

> Does it matter whether graha are in own sign like budha in mithuna? I thought

only uccha/neecha graha caused a change from the natural indication of the

graha.

>

> Warm regards,

> Michal

>

> , Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >  

> > Dear Michal,

> >  

> > (///////shaking off a whole inch of dust from this copy of " The Big

Book " /////// /// .

> >  

> > Please give me a hand, it really is a very big book, which page? Help!

> >  

> > Now check what I have found (right after " Yogas causing asceticism "

:), a " micro chapter " on female nativities. " Yogas of barrenness " (pg.682)...

" If the the Moon and Venus....... ...and the 5th house is occupied or aspected

by the malefic in the female nativity, that woman will be barren. " Why is 5th

bhava mentioned here? (I am still aiming on Rasi chart)

> >  

> > I am a believer, I just need a really good explanation.

> >  

> > Other than this, Budh and Sani are eunuch Grahas, okay. But... Budh is more

boy indicator, and Sani is more girl indicator. Now what? That Budh in Saptamsa

is still very strong in Mithuna.

> >  

> > In this D7, lord of first pregnancy (Mangal) is joined Ketu. This usually

cancels 2nd pregnancy. Lord of 2nd pregnancy is also related to nodal axis. Even

if somehow, by some miracle, 2nd pregnancy is possible to explain... Dear

Michal, how on Earth is possible to explain 3rd pregnancy here with this strong

nodal influence all over around?

> >  

> > Warm Regards,

> > Maja

> >  

> > Hari Om Tat Sat

> >  

> >  

> >  

> >

> > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...>

> > [Om Krishna Guru] visti new case study Re: NO CHILDREN: Please help

danger to children?

> >

> > Thursday, March 12, 2009, 4:30 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hare Rama Krsna ||

> >

> > Dear Maja,

> >

> > In Rasi chart should we look at 9th house for women irrespective of lagna

being odd/even? Where is my copy of BPHS?

> >

> > In Saptamsa - 9th lord is Mars with neecha Ketu, Budha, in female sign, with

only the Sun being a male factor.

> >

> > Lagnesh is there so she demands a lot from this child and there can be

terrible arguments - Mars/Ketu with Shani/Rahu aspecting.

> >

> > Jupiter, the lord of the 3rd pregnancy is not involved in this axis and is

in the 4th house which should make the son the most dear to her.

> >

> > Having said that:

> >

> > There are also many other factors to consider like the fact that male charts

are supposed to determine the sex of the child despite the indications in the

female chart. There can also be failed pregnancies, birth time discrepencies,

and a general lack of information about the children which makes speculation

with our level of knowledge a little futile. Better to study charts where

history is well documented.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Michal

> >

> > , Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@

....> wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >  

> > > Dear Michal and Lakshmi,

> > >  

> > > Michal:

> > >  

> > > (Thanx. I felt like someone pressed  " turn off " button for

everyone

> > >  

> > > Do you really use odd lagna-female native and look at 9th bhava for

children?

> > >  

> > > Thanx for pointing on on Utpana Tara. (I stopped counting how many times

you reminded me about this)

> > >  

> > > What do you think of a simple rule: odd lagna-5th bhava for first

pregnancy in saptamsa without relating it to female/male native? Because that

9th lord (if D7 is correct) doesn't really look like female child (Budh is

strongest of all Grahas in yuti with Mangal). Move saptamsa lagna to Karka, you

get only more problems to find female child as first born due to dual lordship

if you apply " female native/even saptamsa lagna " and observe 5th bhava (refer to

previous bracket . Unless taking Ketu debilitated alone-female child.

> > >  

> > > Lakshmi:

> > >  

> > > BK/AmK Chara Karaka replacement works fine for this lady (teaching). I

thought of this while writing previous email. Very intelligent lady (hint:

observe placement of LL)?

> > >  

> > > Was first pregnancy and delivery very difficult? (Just in case you are

informed about these details)

> > >  

> > > This has nothing to do with her chart observation: younger two, are they

involved in some kind of drug abuse?

> > >  

> > > Warm Regards,

> > > Maja Strbac

> > >  

> > > Hari Om Tat Sat

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...>

> > > [Om Krishna Guru] visti new case study Re: NO CHILDREN: Please

help danger to children?

> > >

> > > Thursday, March 12, 2009, 2:57 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krsna ||

> > >

> > > Dear Lakshmi, Maja,

> > >

> > > A few thoughts:

> > >

> > > Mars and Saturn conjunction in 1st/7th house is not good for mental

stability, here it is badhaksthana, and Mars is AK in MKS. 5th house is

afflicted and 5th lord going to 8th is not good for citta, especially under

papakartari shows a lot of pressure. There are two vakra graha in arudha lagna

which shows going against the establishment. Lagna lord in 9th is a person who

seeks freedom and in the sign kumbha under curse can show someone who will not

conform and will break rules. In this case the free wheeling attitude was

experienced through spouse as Mercury is the lord of first UL in Kanya showing

the first husband breaking the law and probably being involved with drugs

(Sun/Rahu). Guruchandala yoga is in 2nd house and he was murdered in prison.

> > > 2nd UL has Ketu in Aries which fits the description you gave.

> > >

> > > Since Moon is in the 3rd house we should use Vimshottari from Utpana tara.

Jupiter dasa was running since her early twenties. Jupiter is also Ishta Devata.

Moola dasa was Rahu and then Jupiter.

> > >

> > > In a women's chart should we look at 5th house for children?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Michal

> > >

> > > , Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ ...>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > > Dear Maja,

> > > > Thank-you for your reply.

> > > > Here is a bit more info.

> > > > She is always struggling financially.

> > > > Currently this lady is a teacher, before that she was stay at home

mother. She is a religious and sentimental lady, very good hearted, loves her

children dearly, raised them almost entirely herself because husbands werent

around.

> > > > .Her children are struggling to make a place for themselves in life. The

younger 2 come into some dangerous situations past few years.

> > > > First childs father went to prison when child was just a few years, he

was killed in prison, even though he wasnt supposed to be in there for very

long.

> > > > The second husband and father of the younger 2 children was an angry man

and left her, after the birth of her son. He passed away a few years ago.

> > > > She has had some misc short lived relationships in between, but has

since given up on finding another spouse.

> > > > Best wishes

> > > > Lakshmi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, majastrbacastro@ ... <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > majastrbacastro@ ... <majastrbacastro@ ...>

> > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] visti new case study Re: NO CHILDREN:

Please help danger to children?

> > > >

> > > > Thursday, March 12, 2009, 11:59 AM

> > > >

> > > >

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> > > >

> > > >

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> > > >

> > > >

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> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > >  

> > > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > > >  

> > > >  

> > > > This Maha Dasa doesn't necessarily mean a threat to children, since

grahas placed in bhava refer on approach to certain life area. Since malefic is

placed there, her attitude towards own children is not really example of perfect

attitude. Also, this same combination of 9th and 7th lord as Rahu/Guru could

show that children came sudden while she was still in relationship with her ex

(late) husband even before they made a concrete decision to get married.

> > > >  

> > > > Rahu MD can bring lack of support for her own ideals (9th) and desires

(7th) in some relation with children, for example. For Ra/Gu combination

Shiva mantras are solution. Shiva Panchakshari 

seems very nice for her (Namah Shivaya). I would

be more worried for her health since 2nd bhava from AD is A8. (Guru is

badhakesh, joined Ra in 5th, how is she doing with gall bladder?)

> > > >  

> > > > Lord of 5th bhava placed in 8th shows that concrete decisions related to

children are quite good for children, but not necessarily for this lady. A5 is

how children manifest in this world. Joined with Sukra, they can be pretty much

charming  It is not so good that A5 is joined with A6 though.

> > > >  

> > > > Lives of each individual child are to be seen from Saptamsha chart (and

threats too). Dear, here I come to the point where I

have a serious problem, since I am having some 5-7 different versions

available on how this divisional chart should be interpreted. I am holding my

fingers crossed to see Visti here included. 

> > > >  

> > > > BTW are these children from first marriage or was there a relationship/

marriage before?

> > > >  

> > > > Warm Regards,

> > > > Maja Strbac

> > > >  

> > > > Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > >  

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, lakshmikary <lakshmikary@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > lakshmikary <lakshmikary@ >

> > > > [Om Krishna Guru] visti new case study Re: NO CHILDREN: Please

help danger to children?

> > > >

> > > > Thursday, March 12, 2009, 9:40 AM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > > Dear Visti,

> > > > Hope you can enlighten me on this case.

> > > > This is the single mother of 3 children, for reference her ex husband

passed away a few years ago while Saturn was in gemini/cancer I believe.

> > > > She has Rahu and retro Jupiter in the 5th with 5th lord in the 8th with

A5.

> > > > She is now in Rahu Rahu.When is it likly something could happen,or even

would something happen with one of her children?

> > > > How will Saturns transit through 5thhouse go?

> > > > Is she in danger of loosing one of her children? Or is this combo just a

dharmic falldown and would one go to prison?

> > > > How to tell ,Of the 3 children , 1st daughter, 2nd daughter, 3rd son

which would be in danger?

> > > > Im also looking at 3rd from A5 is rashi dristhi Mars and Saturn.

> > > > Also, in a situation like this what would be the best mantras, and can

you please give your reasoning, I would be greatly appreciative.

> > > > Please guide me in understanding this placement of Rahu and retro

jupiter in 5th, 5 in 8th etc.

> > > > thanks

> > > > Lakshmi

> > > >

> > > > guruchandalaquestio n

> > > >

> > > > Natal Chart

> > > >

> > > > March 4, 1958

> > > > Time: 11:30:00 am

> > > > Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > Place: 9 E 01' 00 " , 52 N 96' 00 "

> > > > Germany

> > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > > >

> > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Hemalamba - Phalguna

> > > > Tithi: Sukla Chaturdasi (Ve) (56.98% left)

> > > > Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma)

> > > > Nakshatra: Magha (Ke) (90.69% left)

> > > > Yoga: Sukarman (Ma) (90.10% left)

> > > > Karana: Garija (Ju) (13.97% left)

> > > > Hora Lord: Moon (5 min sign: Sc)

> > > > Mahakala Hora: Saturn (5 min sign: Pi)

> > > > Kaala Lord: Mercury (Mahakala: Venus)

> > > >

> > > > Sunrise: 7:12:05 am

> > > > Sunset: 6:00:34 pm

> > > > Janma Ghatis: 10.7468

> > > >

> > > > Ayanamsa: 23-16-31.91

> > > > Sidereal Time: 21:52:48

> > > >

> > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

> > > >

> > > > Lagna 10 Ge 30' 08.85 " Ardr 2 Ge Cp

> > > > Sun - BK 20 Aq 04' 44.53 " PBha 1 Aq Ar

> > > > Moon - DK 1 Le 14' 27.27 " Magh 1 Le Ar

> > > > Mars - AK 27 Sg 21' 32.39 " USha 1 Sg Sg

> > > > Mercury - AmK 20 Aq 37' 20.28 " PBha 1 Aq Ar

> > > > Jupiter ® - PK 7 Li 56' 38.81 " Swat 1 Li Sg

> > > > Venus - PiK 11 Cp 01' 40.27 " Srav 1 Cp Ar

> > > > Saturn - GK 1 Sg 37' 44.63 " Mool 1 Sg Ar

> > > > Rahu - MK 10 Li 48' 12.01 " Swat 2 Li Cp

> > > > Ketu 10 Ar 48' 12.01 " Aswi 4 Ar Cn

> > > > Maandi 1 Cn 28' 55.64 " Puna 4 Cn Cn

> > > > Gulika 23 Ge 57' 40.41 " Puna 2 Ge Ta

> > > > Uranus ® 14 Cn 59' 48.00 " Push 4 Cn Sc

> > > > Neptune ® 11 Li 17' 52.14 " Swat 2 Li Cp

> > > > Pluto ® 7 Le 29' 30.82 " Magh 3 Le Ge

> > > > Bhava Lagna 24 Ar 22' 49.60 " Bhar 4 Ar Sc

> > > > Hora Lagna 28 Ge 51' 40.56 " Puna 3 Ge Ge

> > > > Ghati Lagna 12 Cp 18' 13.42 " Srav 1 Cp Ar

> > > > Vighati Lagna 19 Vi 30' 57.74 " Hast 3 Vi Ge

> > > > Varnada Lagna 10 Vi 30' 08.85 " Aswi 1 Vi Ar

> > > > Sree Lagna 14 Cn 00' 25.10 " Push 4 Cn Sc

> > > > Pranapada Lagna 19 Ta 41' 43.62 " Rohi 3 Ta Ge

> > > > Indu Lagna 1 Aq 14' 27.27 " Dhan 3 Aq Li

> > > > Dhooma 3 Cn 24' 44.53 " Push 1 Cn Le

> > > > Vyatipata 26 Sg 35' 15.47 " PSha 4 Sg Sc

> > > > Parivesha 26 Ge 35' 15.47 " Puna 2 Ge Ta

> > > > Indra Chapa 3 Cp 24' 44.53 " USha 3 Cp Aq

> > > > Upaketu 20 Cp 04' 44.53 " Srav 4 Cp Cn

> > > > Kaala 29 Cn 36' 20.90 " Asre 4 Cn Pi

> > > > Mrityu 16 Pi 28' 03.83 " UBha 4 Pi Sc

> > > > Artha Prahara 0 Ta 29' 01.25 " Krit 2 Ta Cp

> > > > Yama Ghantaka 27 Ta 15' 32.72 " Mrig 2 Ta Vi

> > > > Prana Sphuta 16 Ge 28' 24.66 " Ardr 3 Ge Aq

> > > > Deha Sphuta 3 Pi 53' 18.55 " UBha 1 Pi Le

> > > > Mrityu Sphuta 7 Li 48' 27.38 " Swat 1 Li Sg

> > > > Sookshma TriSphuta 28 Sc 10' 10.60 " Jye 4 Sc Pi

> > > > TriSphuta 5 Cp 42' 16.53 " USha 3 Cp Aq

> > > > ChatusSphuta 25 Sc 47' 01.06 " Jye 3 Sc Aq

> > > > PanchaSphuta 6 Ge 35' 13.07 " Mrig 4 Ge Sc

> > > > V2 10 Li 30' 08.85 " Aswi 1 Li Ta

> > > > V3 10 Cp 30' 08.85 " Aswi 1 Cp Sg

> > > > V4 10 Aq 30' 08.85 " Aswi 1 Aq Vi

> > > > V5 10 Ta 30' 08.85 " Aswi 1 Ta Sg

> > > > V6 10 Ge 30' 08.85 " Aswi 1 Ge Ta

> > > > V7 10 Vi 30' 08.85 " Aswi 1 Vi Ar

> > > > V8 10 Li 30' 08.85 " Aswi 1 Li Ta

> > > > V9 10 Cp 30' 08.85 " Aswi 1 Cp Sg

> > > > V10 10 Aq 30' 08.85 " Aswi 1 Aq Vi

> > > > V11 10 Ta 30' 08.85 " Aswi 1 Ta Sg

> > > > V12 10 Ge 30' 08.85 " Aswi 1 Ge Ta

> > > > Kunda 10 Aq 41' 56.91 " Sata 2 Aq Cp

> > > >

> > > > Rasi

> > > > +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +

> > > > | \ / \ / |

> > > > | \ Md / \ / |

> > > > | \ / \ / |

> > > > | \ / HL \ / |

> > > > | \ / \ / |

> > > > |Mo x As x Ke |

> > > > | / \ / \ |

> > > > | / \ Gk / \ |

> > > > | / \ / \ |

> > > > | / \ 3 / \ |

> > > > | / \ / \ |

> > > > | x |

> > > > | \ / \ / |

> > > > | \ / \ / |

> > > > | \ / \ / |

> > > > | \ / Sa \ / |

> > > > |AL \ / \ / |

> > > > |JuR Ra x Ma x Me Su |

> > > > | / \ / \ |

> > > > | / \ / \ |

> > > > | / \ / \ |

> > > > | / \ / Ve \ |

> > > > | / \ / GL \ |

> > > > +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +

> > > >

> > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > >

> > > > Ket Ket 1957-07-11 Ven 1957-12-08 Sun 1959-02-05

> > > > Moon 1959-06-13 Mars 1960-01-13 Rah 1960-06-09

> > > > Jup 1961-06-28 Sat 1962-06-04 Merc 1963-07-15

> > > > Ven Ven 1964-07-11 Sun 1967-11-12 Moon 1968-11-11

> > > > Mars 1970-07-11 Rah 1971-09-12 Jup 1974-09-12

> > > > Sat 1977-05-09 Merc 1980-07-11 Ket 1983-05-10

> > > > Sun Sun 1984-07-11 Moon 1984-10-30 Mars 1985-04-27

> > > > Rah 1985-09-05 Jup 1986-07-30 Sat 1987-05-16

> > > > Merc 1988-04-27 Ket 1989-03-03 Ven 1989-07-11

> > > > Moon Moon 1990-07-11 Mars 1991-05-10 Rah 1991-12-11

> > > > Jup 1993-06-10 Sat 1994-10-12 Merc 1996-05-09

> > > > Ket 1997-10-12 Ven 1998-05-10 Sun 2000-01-10

> > > > Mars Mars 2000-07-11 Rah 2000-12-08 Jup 2001-12-26

> > > > Sat 2002-12-02 Merc 2004-01-10 Ket 2005-01-06

> > > > Ven 2005-06-04 Sun 2006-08-06 Moon 2006-12-11

> > > > Rah Rah 2007-07-12 Jup 2010-03-22 Sat 2012-08-18

> > > > Merc 2015-06-23 Ket 2018-01-10 Ven 2019-01-27

> > > > Sun 2022-01-27 Moon 2022-12-23 Mars 2024-06-22

> > > > Jup Jup 2025-07-11 Sat 2027-08-31 Merc 2030-03-10

> > > > Ket 2032-06-16 Ven 2033-05-22 Sun 2036-01-22

> > > > Moon 2036-11-11 Mars 2038-03-10 Rah 2039-02-14

> > > > Sat Sat 2041-07-11 Merc 2044-07-14 Ket 2047-03-22

> > > > Ven 2048-04-30 Sun 2051-07-03 Moon 2052-06-13

> > > > Mars 2054-01-13 Rah 2055-02-20 Jup 2057-12-29

> > > > Merc Merc 2060-07-11 Ket 2062-12-09 Ven 2063-12-06

> > > > Sun 2066-10-07 Moon 2067-08-13 Mars 2069-01-10

> > > > Rah 2070-01-07 Jup 2072-07-27 Sat 2074-11-03

> > > >

> > > > , Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > ??? ??? ?????

> > > > > Dear Vinayak & Namita, Namaskar.

> > > > > Lakshmi is perfectly right that the Shani-Rahu yoga need not deny

> > > > > children but can cause some unusual circumstances, provided other

> > > > > circumstances are there, or dead children. Either way it points

towards

> > > > > a Shraddha-Dosha on the mothers side of the family which indicates

that

> > > > > the last rites of the same have not been performed fully.

> > > > >

> > > > > Reg. children.

> > > > > The arudhas of third and ninth houses are both badly placed from the

Sun

> > > > > which shows this dosha as being a physical obstruction on part of the

> > > > > husband.

> > > > > As the same Arudhas counted from the Sun have one in eighth from the

Sun

> > > > > and the other is joined Venus and Mercury, it makes it practically

> > > > > impossible to have children. Doctors assistance is necessary as well

as

> > > > > remedies. Check his Santana tithi and revert back with your findings

and

> > > > > a remedy.

> > > > >

> > > > > The wife does not seem to suffer any such flaw.

> > > > > Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ----

> > > > > Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer)

> > > > > www: www: http://srigaruda. com

> > > > > @: visti@

> > > > >

> > > > > Lakshmi Kary skrev:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > > > > Dear Namita,

> > > > > > I did not look at the chart in question,

> > > > > > but often when you see Rahu/Saturn in the 5th house, it means

> > > > > > unconventional or untraditional, in general rahu and Saturn can

imply

> > > > > > some sort of cheating or scandel depending on the house its in, (but

> > > > > > depends on whether benefics are aspecting) but can also indicate one

a

> > > > > > positive side , poisons, people who work with chemicals that sort of

> > > > > > thing(chemist, chemotherapy, people who prescribe such things)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the 5th house.

> > > > > > for example, the native will send up getting adopted children,

> > > > > > or perhaps they will marry a person that already has children by a

> > > > > > previous marriage,

> > > > > > or they will get children through unconventional or what used to be

> > > > > > untraditional means.,

> > > > > > ie have test tube babies ,etc

> > > > > > Hope that helps.

> > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Michal,

 

I love that "(m)" next to "Budh" down there.

Thanx for "all together"!

 

Regards,

Maja--- On Fri, 3/13/09, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote:

Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal[Om Krishna Guru] visti new case study Re: NO CHILDREN: Please help danger to children? Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 7:28 PM

 

 

Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Maja,We are to consider conjunctions, sign (as either male or female), and uccha/neecha all together, weigh them up and then decide what will be the sex of the child. So in this case - Mars conjoins Ketu (f), Ketu neecha (f), Surya (m), Budha (m), and Mithuna (f). 3 to 2 in favour of female.Regards,Michal, majastrbacastro@ ... wrote:>> > > Om Gurave Namah> Â > Dear Michal,> Â > "So what happened? She is daughter of one partner - so there was a kind of break." that specific point of brake is what I am aiming on. (Rest on this issue I will write to you privately)> Â > "Why is budha more male and Shani more

female?" If you are familiar with the details why this was written in "Crux" and why it is no longer of any use, I would love to read more about it. I am still in a phase of learning in which I have no other choice but to take Sanjay's books literally, unless I am given a good explanation by his students. >  > Does it matter whether graha are in own sign like budha in mithuna? > > No, no, no. I was not equalizing uccha/neecha and own Rasi for Saptamsa case. If previous (Budha signifying male) is correct, then lord Mangal is not specially placed in Mithuna, next step is to observe Grahas in Yuti (if this was not the case, we take sign it self, Mithuna is exception among odd signs, indicating a female), and among them Budh seems like having strongest placement. If Budha is showing male children, then Yuti with this graha would indicate a boy. This is what I tried

to say.> Â > Yes, only Jupiter can continue pregnancies, but it is not having dristi on 7th or 5th bhava. Do you consider kendra placement and Guru being Vakri as strong enough for this Saptamsa?> Â > Warm Regards,> Maja> Â > --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...> wrote:> > > Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...>> [Om Krishna Guru] visti new case study Re: NO CHILDREN: Please help danger to children?> > Friday, March 13, 2009, 3:56 AM> > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna ||> > Dear Maja,> > So with first pregnancy we reached Ketu... So

what happened? She is daughter of one partner - so there was a kind of break. Next two children came, and third was possible due to influence of Jupiter. Only Jupiter can continue pregnancies after reaching nodes.> > Why is budha more male and Shani more female?> > Does it matter whether graha are in own sign like budha in mithuna? I thought only uccha/neecha graha caused a change from the natural indication of the graha.> > Warm regards,> Michal> > , Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote:> >> > Om Gurave Namah> >  > > Dear Michal,> >  > > (///////shaking off a whole inch of dust from this copy of "The Big Book"/////// /// . > >  > > Please give me a hand, it really is a very big book, which page?

Help!> >  > > Now check what I have found (right after "Yogas causing asceticism" :), a "micro chapter" on female nativities. "Yogas of barrenness" (pg.682)... "If the the Moon and Venus....... ...and the 5th house is occupied or aspected by the malefic in the female nativity, that woman will be barren." Why is 5th bhava mentioned here? (I am still aiming on Rasi chart)> >  > > I am a believer, I just need a really good explanation. > >  > > Other than this, Budh and Sani are eunuch Grahas, okay. But... Budh is more boy indicator, and Sani is more girl indicator. Now what? That Budh in Saptamsa is still very strong in Mithuna.> >  > > In this D7, lord of first pregnancy (Mangal) is joined Ketu. This usually cancels 2nd pregnancy. Lord of 2nd pregnancy is also related to nodal axis. Even if somehow, by some

miracle, 2nd pregnancy is possible to explain... Dear Michal, how on Earth is possible to explain 3rd pregnancy here with this strong nodal influence all over around?> >  > > Warm Regards,> > Maja> >  > > Hari Om Tat Sat> >  > >  > >  > > > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...>> > [Om Krishna Guru] visti new case study Re: NO CHILDREN: Please help danger to children?> > > > Thursday, March 12, 2009, 4:30 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna ||> > > > Dear Maja,> > > > In Rasi chart

should we look at 9th house for women irrespective of lagna being odd/even? Where is my copy of BPHS?> > > > In Saptamsa - 9th lord is Mars with neecha Ketu, Budha, in female sign, with only the Sun being a male factor.> > > > Lagnesh is there so she demands a lot from this child and there can be terrible arguments - Mars/Ketu with Shani/Rahu aspecting.> > > > Jupiter, the lord of the 3rd pregnancy is not involved in this axis and is in the 4th house which should make the son the most dear to her.> > > > Having said that:> > > > There are also many other factors to consider like the fact that male charts are supposed to determine the sex of the child despite the indications in the female chart. There can also be failed pregnancies, birth time discrepencies, and a general lack of information about the children which makes speculation with our level of

knowledge a little futile. Better to study charts where history is well documented.> > > > Regards,> > Michal> > > > , Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Om Gurave Namah> > >  > > > Dear Michal and Lakshmi,> > >  > > > Michal:> > >  > > > (Thanx. I felt like someone pressed "turn off" button for everyone > > >  > > > Do you really use odd lagna-female native and look at 9th bhava for children? > > >  > > > Thanx for pointing on on Utpana Tara. (I stopped counting how many times you reminded

me about this)> > >  > > > What do you think of a simple rule: odd lagna-5th bhava for first pregnancy in saptamsa without relating it to female/male native? Because that 9th lord (if D7 is correct) doesn't really look like female child (Budh is strongest of all Grahas in yuti with Mangal). Move saptamsa lagna to Karka, you get only more problems to find female child as first born due to dual lordship if you apply "female native/even saptamsa lagna" and observe 5th bhava (refer to previous bracket . Unless taking Ketu debilitated alone-female child.> > >  > > > Lakshmi:> > >  > > > BK/AmK Chara Karaka replacement works fine for this lady (teaching). I thought of this while writing previous email. Very intelligent lady (hint: observe placement of LL)? > > >

 > > > Was first pregnancy and delivery very difficult? (Just in case you are informed about these details)> > >  > > > This has nothing to do with her chart observation: younger two, are they involved in some kind of drug abuse?> > >  > > > Warm Regards,> > > Maja Strbac> > >  > > > Hari Om Tat Sat> > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...>> > > [Om Krishna Guru] visti new case study Re: NO CHILDREN: Please help danger to children?> > > > > > Thursday, March 12, 2009, 2:57 PM> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna ||> > > > > > Dear Lakshmi, Maja,> > > > > > A few thoughts:> > > > > > Mars and Saturn conjunction in 1st/7th house is not good for mental stability, here it is badhaksthana, and Mars is AK in MKS. 5th house is afflicted and 5th lord going to 8th is not good for citta, especially under papakartari shows a lot of pressure. There are two vakra graha in arudha lagna which shows going against the establishment. Lagna lord in 9th is a person who seeks freedom and in the sign kumbha under curse can show someone who will not conform and will break rules. In this case the free wheeling attitude was experienced through spouse as Mercury is the lord of first UL in Kanya showing the first husband breaking the law and probably being involved with drugs

(Sun/Rahu). Guruchandala yoga is in 2nd house and he was murdered in prison.> > > 2nd UL has Ketu in Aries which fits the description you gave.> > > > > > Since Moon is in the 3rd house we should use Vimshottari from Utpana tara. Jupiter dasa was running since her early twenties. Jupiter is also Ishta Devata. Moola dasa was Rahu and then Jupiter.> > > > > > In a women's chart should we look at 5th house for children?> > > > > > Regards,> > > Michal> > > > > > , Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Hare Rama Krishna> > > > Dear Maja,> > > > Thank-you for your reply. > > > > Here is a bit more info. > > > > She is always struggling financially. > > > >

Currently this lady is a teacher, before that she was stay at home mother. She is a religious and sentimental lady, very good hearted, loves her children dearly, raised them almost entirely herself because husbands werent around.> > > > .Her children are struggling to make a place for themselves in life. The younger 2 come into some dangerous situations past few years.> > > > First childs father went to prison when child was just a few years, he was killed in prison, even though he wasnt supposed to be in there for very long.> > > > The second husband and father of the younger 2 children was an angry man and left her, after the birth of her son. He passed away a few years ago.> > > > She has had some misc short lived relationships in between, but has since given up on finding another spouse.> > > > Best wishes> > > > Lakshmi> > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, majastrbacastro@ ... <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > majastrbacastro@ ... <majastrbacastro@ ...>> > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] visti new case study Re: NO CHILDREN: Please help danger to children?> > > > > > > > Thursday, March 12, 2009, 11:59 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > >  > > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > >

 > > > >  > > > > This Maha Dasa doesn't necessarily mean a threat to children, since grahas placed in bhava refer on approach to certain life area. Since malefic is placed there, her attitude towards own children is not really example of perfect attitude. Also, this same combination of 9th and 7th lord as Rahu/Guru could show that children came sudden while she was still in relationship with her ex (late) husband even before they made a concrete decision to get married. > > > >  > > > > Rahu MD can bring lack of support for her own ideals (9th) and desires (7th) in some relation with children, for example. For Ra/Gu combination Shiva mantras are solution. Shiva Panchakshari seems very nice for

her (Namah Shivaya). I would be more worried for her health since 2nd bhava from AD is A8. (Guru is badhakesh, joined Ra in 5th, how is she doing with gall bladder?) > > > >  > > > > Lord of 5th bhava placed in 8th shows that concrete decisions related to children are quite good for children, but not necessarily for this lady. A5 is how children manifest in this world. Joined with Sukra, they can be pretty much charming  It is not so good that A5 is joined with A6 though. > > > >  > > > > Lives of each individual child are to be seen from Saptamsha chart (and threats too). Dear, here I come to the point where I have a serious problem, since I am having some 5-7 different versions available on how this

divisional chart should be interpreted. I am holding my fingers crossed to see Visti here included. > > > >  > > > > BTW are these children from first marriage or was there a relationship/ marriage before? > > > >  > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > Maja Strbac > > > >  > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > >  > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, lakshmikary <lakshmikary@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > lakshmikary <lakshmikary@ >> > > > [Om Krishna Guru] visti new case study Re: NO CHILDREN: Please help danger to

children?> > > > > > > > Thursday, March 12, 2009, 9:40 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna> > > > Dear Visti,> > > > Hope you can enlighten me on this case.> > > > This is the single mother of 3 children, for reference her ex husband passed away a few years ago while Saturn was in gemini/cancer I believe.> > > > She has Rahu and retro Jupiter in the 5th with 5th lord in the 8th with A5.> > > > She is now in Rahu Rahu.When is it likly something could happen,or even would something happen with one of her children?> > > > How will Saturns transit through 5thhouse go?> > > > Is she in danger of loosing one of her children? Or is this combo just a dharmic falldown and would

one go to prison? > > > > How to tell ,Of the 3 children , 1st daughter, 2nd daughter, 3rd son which would be in danger?> > > > Im also looking at 3rd from A5 is rashi dristhi Mars and Saturn.> > > > Also, in a situation like this what would be the best mantras, and can you please give your reasoning, I would be greatly appreciative.> > > > Please guide me in understanding this placement of Rahu and retro jupiter in 5th, 5 in 8th etc.> > > > thanks> > > > Lakshmi> > > > > > > > guruchandalaquestio n> > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > > > March 4, 1958> > > > Time: 11:30:00 am> > > > Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)> > > > Place: 9 E 01' 00", 52 N 96' 00"> > > > Germany> > > >

Altitude: 0.00 meters> > > > > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Hemalamba - Phalguna> > > > Tithi: Sukla Chaturdasi (Ve) (56.98% left)> > > > Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma)> > > > Nakshatra: Magha (Ke) (90.69% left)> > > > Yoga: Sukarman (Ma) (90.10% left)> > > > Karana: Garija (Ju) (13.97% left)> > > > Hora Lord: Moon (5 min sign: Sc)> > > > Mahakala Hora: Saturn (5 min sign: Pi)> > > > Kaala Lord: Mercury (Mahakala: Venus)> > > > > > > > Sunrise: 7:12:05 am> > > > Sunset: 6:00:34 pm> > > > Janma Ghatis: 10.7468> > > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 23-16-31.91> > > > Sidereal Time: 21:52:48> > > > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa> > > > >

> > > Lagna 10 Ge 30' 08.85" Ardr 2 Ge Cp> > > > Sun - BK 20 Aq 04' 44.53" PBha 1 Aq Ar> > > > Moon - DK 1 Le 14' 27.27" Magh 1 Le Ar> > > > Mars - AK 27 Sg 21' 32.39" USha 1 Sg Sg> > > > Mercury - AmK 20 Aq 37' 20.28" PBha 1 Aq Ar> > > > Jupiter ® - PK 7 Li 56' 38.81" Swat 1 Li Sg> > > > Venus - PiK 11 Cp 01' 40.27" Srav 1 Cp Ar> > > > Saturn - GK 1 Sg 37' 44.63" Mool 1 Sg Ar> > > > Rahu - MK 10 Li 48' 12.01" Swat 2 Li Cp> > > > Ketu 10 Ar 48' 12.01" Aswi 4 Ar Cn> > > > Maandi 1 Cn 28' 55.64" Puna 4 Cn Cn> > > > Gulika 23 Ge 57' 40.41" Puna 2 Ge Ta> > > > Uranus ® 14 Cn 59' 48.00" Push 4 Cn Sc> > > > Neptune ® 11 Li 17' 52.14" Swat 2 Li Cp> > > > Pluto ® 7 Le 29' 30.82" Magh 3 Le Ge> > > > Bhava

Lagna 24 Ar 22' 49.60" Bhar 4 Ar Sc> > > > Hora Lagna 28 Ge 51' 40.56" Puna 3 Ge Ge> > > > Ghati Lagna 12 Cp 18' 13.42" Srav 1 Cp Ar> > > > Vighati Lagna 19 Vi 30' 57.74" Hast 3 Vi Ge> > > > Varnada Lagna 10 Vi 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Vi Ar> > > > Sree Lagna 14 Cn 00' 25.10" Push 4 Cn Sc> > > > Pranapada Lagna 19 Ta 41' 43.62" Rohi 3 Ta Ge> > > > Indu Lagna 1 Aq 14' 27.27" Dhan 3 Aq Li> > > > Dhooma 3 Cn 24' 44.53" Push 1 Cn Le> > > > Vyatipata 26 Sg 35' 15.47" PSha 4 Sg Sc> > > > Parivesha 26 Ge 35' 15.47" Puna 2 Ge Ta> > > > Indra Chapa 3 Cp 24' 44.53" USha 3 Cp Aq> > > > Upaketu 20 Cp 04' 44.53" Srav 4 Cp Cn> > > > Kaala 29 Cn 36' 20.90" Asre 4 Cn Pi> > > > Mrityu 16 Pi 28' 03.83" UBha 4 Pi Sc> > > > Artha Prahara 0 Ta

29' 01.25" Krit 2 Ta Cp> > > > Yama Ghantaka 27 Ta 15' 32.72" Mrig 2 Ta Vi> > > > Prana Sphuta 16 Ge 28' 24.66" Ardr 3 Ge Aq> > > > Deha Sphuta 3 Pi 53' 18.55" UBha 1 Pi Le> > > > Mrityu Sphuta 7 Li 48' 27.38" Swat 1 Li Sg> > > > Sookshma TriSphuta 28 Sc 10' 10.60" Jye 4 Sc Pi> > > > TriSphuta 5 Cp 42' 16.53" USha 3 Cp Aq> > > > ChatusSphuta 25 Sc 47' 01.06" Jye 3 Sc Aq> > > > PanchaSphuta 6 Ge 35' 13.07" Mrig 4 Ge Sc> > > > V2 10 Li 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Li Ta> > > > V3 10 Cp 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Cp Sg> > > > V4 10 Aq 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Aq Vi> > > > V5 10 Ta 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Ta Sg> > > > V6 10 Ge 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Ge Ta> > > > V7 10 Vi 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Vi Ar> > > > V8 10 Li 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Li Ta> > > > V9

10 Cp 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Cp Sg> > > > V10 10 Aq 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Aq Vi> > > > V11 10 Ta 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Ta Sg> > > > V12 10 Ge 30' 08.85" Aswi 1 Ge Ta> > > > Kunda 10 Aq 41' 56.91" Sata 2 Aq Cp> > > > > > > > Rasi > > > > +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +> > > > | \ / \ / |> > > > | \ Md / \ / |> > > > | \ / \ / |> > > > | \ / HL \ / |> > > > | \ / \ / |> > > > |Mo x As x Ke |> > > > | / \ / \ |> > > > | / \ Gk / \ |> > > > | / \ / \ |> > > > | / \ 3 / \ |> > > > | / \ / \ |> > > > | x |> > > > | \ / \ / |> > > > | \ / \ / |> > > > | \ / \ / |> > > > | \ / Sa \ /

|> > > > |AL \ / \ / |> > > > |JuR Ra x Ma x Me Su |> > > > | / \ / \ |> > > > | / \ / \ |> > > > | / \ / \ |> > > > | / \ / Ve \ |> > > > | / \ / GL \ |> > > > +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +> > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):> > > > > > > > Ket Ket 1957-07-11 Ven 1957-12-08 Sun 1959-02-05 > > > > Moon 1959-06-13 Mars 1960-01-13 Rah 1960-06-09 > > > > Jup 1961-06-28 Sat 1962-06-04 Merc 1963-07-15 > > > > Ven Ven 1964-07-11 Sun 1967-11-12 Moon 1968-11-11 > > > > Mars 1970-07-11 Rah 1971-09-12 Jup 1974-09-12 > > > > Sat 1977-05-09 Merc 1980-07-11 Ket 1983-05-10 > > > > Sun Sun 1984-07-11 Moon 1984-10-30 Mars 1985-04-27 > >

> > Rah 1985-09-05 Jup 1986-07-30 Sat 1987-05-16 > > > > Merc 1988-04-27 Ket 1989-03-03 Ven 1989-07-11 > > > > Moon Moon 1990-07-11 Mars 1991-05-10 Rah 1991-12-11 > > > > Jup 1993-06-10 Sat 1994-10-12 Merc 1996-05-09 > > > > Ket 1997-10-12 Ven 1998-05-10 Sun 2000-01-10 > > > > Mars Mars 2000-07-11 Rah 2000-12-08 Jup 2001-12-26 > > > > Sat 2002-12-02 Merc 2004-01-10 Ket 2005-01-06 > > > > Ven 2005-06-04 Sun 2006-08-06 Moon 2006-12-11 > > > > Rah Rah 2007-07-12 Jup 2010-03-22 Sat 2012-08-18 > > > > Merc 2015-06-23 Ket 2018-01-10 Ven 2019-01-27 > > > > Sun 2022-01-27 Moon 2022-12-23 Mars 2024-06-22 > > > > Jup Jup 2025-07-11 Sat 2027-08-31 Merc 2030-03-10 > > > > Ket 2032-06-16 Ven 2033-05-22 Sun 2036-01-22 > > > > Moon 2036-11-11 Mars 2038-03-10

Rah 2039-02-14 > > > > Sat Sat 2041-07-11 Merc 2044-07-14 Ket 2047-03-22 > > > > Ven 2048-04-30 Sun 2051-07-03 Moon 2052-06-13 > > > > Mars 2054-01-13 Rah 2055-02-20 Jup 2057-12-29 > > > > Merc Merc 2060-07-11 Ket 2062-12-09 Ven 2063-12-06 > > > > Sun 2066-10-07 Moon 2067-08-13 Mars 2069-01-10 > > > > Rah 2070-01-07 Jup 2072-07-27 Sat 2074-11-03 > > > > > > > > , Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > ??? ??? ?????> > > > > Dear Vinayak & Namita, Namaskar.> > > > > Lakshmi is perfectly right that the Shani-Rahu yoga need not deny > > > > > children but can cause some unusual circumstances, provided other > > > > > circumstances are there, or dead children.

Either way it points towards > > > > > a Shraddha-Dosha on the mothers side of the family which indicates that > > > > > the last rites of the same have not been performed fully.> > > > > > > > > > Reg. children.> > > > > The arudhas of third and ninth houses are both badly placed from the Sun > > > > > which shows this dosha as being a physical obstruction on part of the > > > > > husband.> > > > > As the same Arudhas counted from the Sun have one in eighth from the Sun > > > > > and the other is joined Venus and Mercury, it makes it practically > > > > > impossible to have children. Doctors assistance is necessary as well as > > > > > remedies. Check his Santana tithi and revert back with your findings and > > > > > a

remedy.> > > > > > > > > > The wife does not seem to suffer any such flaw.> > > > > Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ----> > > > > Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer)> > > > > www: www: http://srigaruda. com> > > > > @: visti@> > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi Kary skrev:> > > > > >> > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna> > > > > > Dear Namita,> > > > > > I did not look at the chart in question,> > > > > > but often when you see Rahu/Saturn in the 5th house, it means > > > > > > unconventional or untraditional, in general rahu and Saturn can imply > > >

> > > some sort of cheating or scandel depending on the house its in, (but > > > > > > depends on whether benefics are aspecting) but can also indicate one a > > > > > > positive side , poisons, people who work with chemicals that sort of > > > > > > thing(chemist, chemotherapy, people who prescribe such things)> > > > > > > > > > > > In the 5th house.> > > > > > for example, the native will send up getting adopted children,> > > > > > or perhaps they will marry a person that already has children by a > > > > > > previous marriage,> > > > > > or they will get children through unconventional or what used to be > > > > > > untraditional means.,> > > > > > ie have test tube babies ,etc> > > >

> > Hope that helps.> > > > > > Lakshmi> > > > > >> > > >> > >> >>