Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?

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Om Gurave NamahDear Raghunatha Rao, namasteIn example you gave Sade Sati will start on the day when Sani enters Kanya Rasi (yesterday). Even in cases when Sani starts retrograde motion few months after entering Rasi and goes back in previous Rasi (let's say for your example, goes back to Simha) and remains there for few months, native is still in Sade Sati. Similar motion happened in 2002 when Sani entered Mithuna (end of July), then went back to Vrishab (January 2003) and again directly to Mithuna (April 2003). Warm Regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Thu, 9/10/09, raon1008 <raon1008 wrote:raon1008 <raon1008Subject:

Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles

apply to Varga Charts ?sohamsa Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 11:41 AM

 

 

Om Parameshti Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Guru Ji, Gurus and Learned Members,

 

An excellent discussion, thank you all for sharing principles and knowledge.

 

Now, may I request you to please clarify when will the actual Sade Sati is considered to be commenced. For example, let us say Chandra is placed in 5 Li 23, in Rasi Chart. Recently, Shani tansited into Kanya Rasi on Sep 9th, then which one is correct?

 

1) The native's has entered into the Sade Sati period OR

2) The native's Sade Sati will begin when Shani attains the 5 Vi 23 longitude OR

3) Any other parameters to be applied to determine the Sade Sati starting point.

 

Thank you for your help in advance in clarifying this to me.

 

Regards

Raghunatha Rao

http://www.Prashna- Astrology. com

 

sohamsa@ .com, Maja Ã… trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote:

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> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Raghunatha Rao, namaste

>

> You are correct, Sani Gochar is applicable for Varga charts. For example, Sani is in Simha Rasi at the moment and if Chandra is placed in Karka, Simha or Kanya in D10, then Sade Sati is currently running for this area of life (career).

>

> Of course, it will not be terrible and hard throughout every minute of these 7 and half years. Have this on your mind, please don't bring people in panic by giving them fatalistic predictions based on Sade Sati only.

>

> I am not familiar with remedies for Varga charts, but I can write you something more about remedies for Sade Sati counted from Rasi chart in case you can't find them anywhere.Â

>

> Are you familiar with dividing Sade Sati in 3 portions depending on Sani transiting 12th, 1st or 2nd from Janma rasi and interpretation of these 3 portions?

>

> Also take dasas in consideration. If there is Sani AD (or any difficult) running, then problems to be related with Sade Sati are confirmed (I am getting out of my Sade Sati in 4 days, I can confirm you this is correct).

>

> Warm Regards,

> Maja Strbac

>

> Hari Om Tat Sat

>

> --- On Sat, 9/5/09, raon1008 <raon1008@.. .> wrote:

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> raon1008 <raon1008@.. .>

> Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?

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> Saturday, September 5, 2009, 6:14 PM

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> Om Parameshti Gurave Namah

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> Namaste Guru Ji, Gurus and Learned Members,

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> For some time, I have been systematically watching a pattern of Saturn Sade Sati effects in other Vargas with some natives who are consulting to me.

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> So, may I request you to please clarify to me, Does our parampara teaches to use Sade Sati Transits into Navamsa, Dasamsa and for that matter any other Vargas?. Second question I have is, how the remedies differ from the Rasi Sade Sati transits.

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> Thank you for your help in advance in clarifying this to me.

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> Raghunatha Rao

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> http://www.Prashna- Astrology. com

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Om Gurave NamahDear Raghunatha Rao, namasteHere is small quotation from Bojan's article as (at least some kind of) clarification to both of your questions:"During Saturn’s transit over twelfth Bhava from

Chandra one can experience troubles in marriage life, misunderstandings with

parents and children, troubles in home life and residential changes. All this

together is pointing on strong Vaju tatwa (Air element) and strong Vaju tatwa

weakens Akash (or Ether) ruled by Guru. Remedy is to worship Kali Ma (Kali-one

of Dash Mahavidyas) with Sani Graha mantra (Om Pram Prim Proum Sah Sanischaraya

Namah). Saturn’s transit over Janma Rasi (Chandra placement) can cause bad

company, loss of reputation or name, failure in undertakings, dangers… Remedy is

to worship Sri Hanuman in addition to the Beeja Mantra of Saturn (Sam

Sanischaraya Namah). During transit of Saturn over second Bhava from Chandra

one can expect this to cause financial problems, dangers from Government/State,

enmities> Remedy is in worshiping Sri Krishna and also Sani Beeja Mantra*.

Timing bad events with taking Sade Sati in consideration is crucial, so we must

have in mind that every Dasa and Antar Dasa will not have same effects during

Sade Sati. If auspicious Dasa of Surya is running along with Sade Sati, native

will not necessarily experience hardships. On the other hand, if Antar Dasa of

Sukra starts during Surya Maha Dasa (Sukra is lording debilitation Rasi for

Surya) along with transit of Saturn over second Bhava from Chandra (leading in

financial problems) it is akin to sunset for Surya and will point to problem."*in "Vedic remedies in Astrology" by Sanjay Rath, author wrote here just "Saturn" instead of "Saturn Beeja Mantra" as it is in this article. If you can find this book (warm recommendation) it is page 171-172. Bojan used this book as one of references for his article, of course. Let's wait a while before he sets complete translation on his website and see if this was just a typo. Then I will add you some examples.Warm regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Sun, 9/6/09, raon1008 <raon1008 wrote:raon1008 <raon1008 Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?sohamsa Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 6:44

AM

 

 

Om Parameshti Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Maja Ji,

 

Thank you for taking time to reply to my query. First of all, I am happy to know that you are getting out of your Sade Sati in 4 days.

 

For some time, I have been systematically watching a pattern of Saturn Sade Sati effects in other Vargas with some natives who are consulting to me.

 

May I request you to please teach me the following:-

 

1) Remedies for Sade Sati counted from Rasi chart.

2) Dividing Sade Sati in 3 portions depending on Sani transiting 12th, 1st or 2nd from Janma rasi and interpretation of these 3 portions.

 

If possible, please take an example chart when you write about the above.

 

Again, thank you for your help in advance in clarifying this to me.

 

Regards

Raghunatha Rao

http://www.Prashna- Astrology. com

 

sohamsa@ .com, Maja Ã… trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote:

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Raghunatha Rao, namaste

 

You are correct, Sani Gochar is applicable for Varga charts. For example, Sani is in Simha Rasi at the moment and if Chandra is placed in Karka, Simha or Kanya in D10, then Sade Sati is currently running for this area of life (career).

 

Of course, it will not be terrible and hard throughout every minute of these 7 and half years. Have this on your mind, please don't bring people in panic by giving them fatalistic predictions based on Sade Sati only.

 

I am not familiar with remedies for Varga charts, but I can write you something more about remedies for Sade Sati counted from Rasi chart in case you can't find them anywhere.

 

Are you familiar with dividing Sade Sati in 3 portions depending on Sani transiting 12th, 1st or 2nd from Janma rasi and interpretation of these 3 portions?

 

Also take dasas in consideration. If there is Sani AD (or any difficult) running, then problems to be related with Sade Sati are confirmed (I am getting out of my Sade Sati in 4 days, I can confirm you this is correct).

 

Warm Regards,

Maja Strbac

 

Hari Om Tat Sat

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Om Gurave NamahDear Sharat, namasteI can't believe I missed this email........ terrible.Transit of Sani over Janma Rasi in Rasi chart must bring health issues, due to MKS of Sani in 1st bhava from its placement, plus 1st bhava is always related to health, Chandra is also involved in health issues and Rasi chart is over all, as you said, physical self. Now, if this is supported with difficult MD/AD for health, bingo! I felt this on my own skin. When Sani was in Karka (my Janma Rasi) it was the only time I was experiencing chronic health issues since I am born (now I am perfectly fine). It was terrible, but thanks to this event I officially separated from allopathic medicine for rest of my life (except diagnostic.... and I do hope I will not break any bone, so I will avoid surgery as well This Sani transit was supported with

Ketu MD and Rahu AD, maraka placement to each other, but there is parivartana between Ketu and Guru in my chart, so "technically" this was Guru-Rahu MD-AD. Guru is in Vrishchika, Rahu is in Mithuna, 6/8 placement plus they just love eachother, don't they? Birth data for this story: 05th of December 1982, at 01:15 AM, 17 E 48, 43 N 20, Time zone 01h East of GMT. Kanya lagna, Mesh navamsa.I believe there is similar logic for other divisional charts. For parents we should observe Sani transits from Chandra in D12 and apply Dasas, or to use transit of Sani over 12th from Chandra in Navamsa for possible marital problems (if native is married. Otherwise I would not take this in consideration)Now as far as Sade Sati from lagna.......... I never had similar idea. Now after translating Bojan's article I found something about Yogas from Chandra and they are namely Sunapha, Anapha and Duradra. It is there in BPHS 39th chapter. Something about

12th and 2nd bhava from Chandra, benefics, malefics etc. you should know better what to do with this, I am kind of clubsy with this book. I would still stick to Lagna for Kantaka Sani and Chandra for Sade Sati, but I would not scare people with notifing them about years and years of suffering when any of these two start.Your birth data, please! I only remember Rahu on lagna and Sukra in 5th since we spoke about Diamond you are wearing. I am sooooooooooo lazy to explore archive at the moment.Warm regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Sun, 9/6/09, Sharat Misra <gidoc wrote:Sharat Misra <gidocRe: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?sohamsa Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009,

6:43 AM

 

 

Om Gurave NamahaDear Maja,I quite agree and Sade sati does effect all spheres via the varga charts. In Rasi however it probably effects only the physical self, often its effects are exaggerated. What do you think about Sade sati vis a vis Lagna and not Chandra rasi?Shani in my chart moves to now finishes its 71/2 yr sade sati of Chandra rasi and now begins sade sati with respect to lagna. Interestingly during the 7 1/2 yrs the only effect I felt was of kantaka shani (on 10th house) but eventually that too turned out to be a blessing. I havent really been able to figure out if its been as bad as its made out to be but shani being yogakarak in my chart may have dampened the effects.best wishesSharatOn 6 Sep 2009, at 14:30, Maja Å trbac wrote:Om Gurave NamahDear Raghunatha Rao, namasteYou are correct, Sani Gochar is applicable for Varga charts. For example, Sani is

in Simha Rasi at the moment and if Chandra is placed in Karka, Simha or Kanya in D10, then Sade Sati is currently running for this area of life (career).Of course, it will not be terrible and hard throughout every minute of these 7 and half years. Have this on your mind, please don't bring people in panic by giving them fatalistic predictions based on Sade Sati only. I am not familiar with remedies for Varga charts, but I can write you something more about remedies for Sade Sati counted from Rasi chart in case you can't find them anywhere. Are you familiar with dividing Sade Sati in 3 portions depending on Sani transiting 12th, 1st or 2nd from Janma rasi and interpretation of these 3 portions?Also take dasas in consideration. If there is Sani AD (or any difficult) running, then problems to be related with Sade Sati are

confirmed (I am getting out of my Sade Sati in 4 days, I can confirm you this is correct). Warm Regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Sat, 9/5/09, raon1008 <raon1008 > wrote:raon1008 <raon1008 > Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?sohamsa@ .comSaturday, September 5, 2009, 6:14 PM Om Parameshti Gurave NamahNamaste Guru Ji, Gurus and Learned Members,For some time, I have been systematically watching a pattern of Saturn Sade

Sati effects in other Vargas with some natives who are consulting to me.So, may I request you to please clarify to me, Does our parampara teaches to use Sade Sati Transits into Navamsa, Dasamsa and for that matter any other Vargas?. Second question I have is, how the remedies differ from the Rasi Sade Sati transits.Thank you for your help in advance in clarifying this to me.RegardsRaghunatha Raohttp://www.Prashna- Astrology. com

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OM SHRI RAGHVENDRA GURUBHYO NAMAH

Dear Raghu,

Generally speaking when Shani entered Kanya Rashi on 9/9/2009,Sadesathi has started.But technically when Shani transits the exact longitude of Chandra's degree in Kanya Rashi,Hi Sadesathi will start.But Kanya Rashi is Bhu Tattwa Rashi and Shani is the lord of Makara Rashi which is also a Bhu Tattwa Rashi,so Shani's malefic results will be reduced.

I hope this helps you.

With Shri Hari Vayu Guru Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Ro.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:41 PM, raon1008 <raon1008 wrote:

 

 

 

 

Om Parameshti Gurave NamahNamaste Guru Ji, Gurus and Learned Members,An excellent discussion, thank you all for sharing principles and knowledge. Now, may I request you to please clarify when will the actual Sade Sati is considered to be commenced. For example, let us say Chandra is placed in 5 Li 23, in Rasi Chart. Recently, Shani tansited into Kanya Rasi on Sep 9th, then which one is correct?

1) The native's has entered into the Sade Sati period OR2) The native's Sade Sati will begin when Shani attains the 5 Vi 23 longitude OR3) Any other parameters to be applied to determine the Sade Sati starting point.

Thank you for your help in advance in clarifying this to me.RegardsRaghunatha Raohttp://www.Prashna-Astrology.comsohamsa , Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro wrote:

>> Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Raghunatha Rao, namaste> > You are correct, Sani Gochar is applicable for Varga charts. For example, Sani is in Simha Rasi at the moment and if Chandra is placed in Karka, Simha or Kanya in D10, then Sade Sati is currently running for this area of life (career).

> > Of course, it will not be terrible and hard throughout every minute of these 7 and half years. Have this on your mind, please don't bring people in panic by giving them fatalistic predictions based on Sade Sati only.

> > I am not familiar with remedies for Varga charts, but I can write you something more about remedies for Sade Sati counted from Rasi chart in case you can't find them anywhere.  > > Are you familiar with dividing Sade Sati in 3 portions depending on Sani transiting 12th, 1st or 2nd from Janma rasi and interpretation of these 3 portions?

> > Also take dasas in consideration. If there is Sani AD (or any difficult) running, then problems to be related with Sade Sati are confirmed (I am getting out of my Sade Sati in 4 days, I can confirm you this is correct).

> > Warm Regards,> Maja Strbac> > Hari Om Tat Sat> > --- On Sat, 9/5/09, raon1008 <raon1008 wrote:> > raon1008 <raon1008> Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?

> sohamsa > Saturday, September 5, 2009, 6:14 PM> > > > > > >  >

> > > > > Om Parameshti Gurave Namah> > > > Namaste Guru Ji, Gurus and Learned Members,> > > > For some time, I have been systematically watching a pattern of Saturn Sade Sati effects in other Vargas with some natives who are consulting to me.

> > > > So, may I request you to please clarify to me, Does our parampara teaches to use Sade Sati Transits into Navamsa, Dasamsa and for that matter any other Vargas?. Second question I have is, how the remedies differ from the Rasi Sade Sati transits.

> > > > Thank you for your help in advance in clarifying this to me.> > > > Regards> > Raghunatha Rao> > http://www.Prashna- Astrology. com

>

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Om Parameshti Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Maja

 

An excellent snippet of the article translation. Please provide me the link to

the original article, I will see if Google can translate to English for me,

which may save some of your time for translating for us.

 

Thanks for taking time to reply to my questions.

 

Regards

Raghunatha Rao

http://www.Prashna-Astrology.com

 

 

sohamsa , Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Raghunatha Rao, namaste

>

> Here is small quotation from Bojan's article as (at least some kind of)

clarification to both of your questions:

>

>

>

> " During Saturn’s transit over twelfth Bhava from

> Chandra one can experience troubles in marriage life, misunderstandings with

> parents and children, troubles in home life and residential changes. All this

> together is pointing on strong Vaju tatwa (Air element) and strong Vaju tatwa

> weakens Akash (or Ether) ruled by Guru. Remedy is to worship Kali Ma (Kali-one

> of Dash Mahavidyas) with Sani Graha mantra (Om Pram Prim Proum Sah

Sanischaraya

> Namah). Saturn’s transit over Janma Rasi (Chandra placement) can cause bad

> company, loss of reputation or name, failure in undertakings, dangers…

Remedy is

> to worship Sri Hanuman in addition to the Beeja Mantra of Saturn (Sam

> Sanischaraya Namah). During transit of Saturn over second Bhava from Chandra

> one can expect this to cause financial problems, dangers from

Government/State,

> enmities> Remedy is in worshiping Sri Krishna and also Sani Beeja Mantra*.

> Timing bad events with taking Sade Sati in consideration is crucial, so we

must

> have in mind that every Dasa and Antar Dasa will not have same effects during

> Sade Sati. If auspicious Dasa of Surya is running along with Sade Sati, native

> will not necessarily experience hardships. On the other hand, if Antar Dasa of

> Sukra starts during Surya Maha Dasa (Sukra is lording debilitation Rasi for

> Surya) along with transit of Saturn over second Bhava from Chandra (leading in

> financial problems) it is akin to sunset for Surya and will point to problem. "

>

> *in " Vedic remedies in Astrology " by Sanjay Rath, author wrote here just

" Saturn " instead of " Saturn Beeja Mantra " as it is in this article. If you can

find this book (warm recommendation) it is page 171-172. Bojan used this book as

one of references for his article, of course. Let's wait a while before he sets

complete translation on his website and see if this was just a typo. Then I will

add you some examples.

>

> Warm regards,

> Maja Strbac

>

> Hari Om Tat Sat

>

>

>

> --- On Sun, 9/6/09, raon1008 <raon1008 wrote:

>

> raon1008 <raon1008

> Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga

Charts ?

> sohamsa

> Sunday, September 6, 2009, 6:44 AM

 

>

>

>

>

>

> Om Parameshti Gurave Namah

>

>

>

> Namaste Maja Ji,

>

>

>

> Thank you for taking time to reply to my query. First of all, I am happy to

know that you are getting out of your Sade Sati in 4 days.

>

>

>

> For some time, I have been systematically watching a pattern of Saturn Sade

Sati effects in other Vargas with some natives who are consulting to me.

>

>

>

> May I request you to please teach me the following:-

>

>

>

> 1) Remedies for Sade Sati counted from Rasi chart.

>

> 2) Dividing Sade Sati in 3 portions depending on Sani transiting 12th, 1st or

2nd from Janma rasi and interpretation of these 3 portions.

>

>

>

> If possible, please take an example chart when you write about the above.

>

>

>

> Again, thank you for your help in advance in clarifying this to me.

>

>

>

> Regards

>

> Raghunatha Rao

>

> http://www.Prashna- Astrology. com

>

>

>

> sohamsa@ .com, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

>

>

> Dear Raghunatha Rao, namaste

>

>

>

> You are correct, Sani Gochar is applicable for Varga charts. For example, Sani

is in Simha Rasi at the moment and if Chandra is placed in Karka, Simha or Kanya

in D10, then Sade Sati is currently running for this area of life (career).

>

>

>

> Of course, it will not be terrible and hard throughout every minute of these 7

and half years. Have this on your mind, please don't bring people in panic by

giving them fatalistic predictions based on Sade Sati only.

>

>

>

> I am not familiar with remedies for Varga charts, but I can write you

something more about remedies for Sade Sati counted from Rasi chart in case you

can't find them anywhere.

>

>

>

> Are you familiar with dividing Sade Sati in 3 portions depending on Sani

transiting 12th, 1st or 2nd from Janma rasi and interpretation of these 3

portions?

>

>

>

> Also take dasas in consideration. If there is Sani AD (or any difficult)

running, then problems to be related with Sade Sati are confirmed (I am getting

out of my Sade Sati in 4 days, I can confirm you this is correct).

>

>

>

> Warm Regards,

>

> Maja Strbac

>

>

>

> Hari Om Tat Sat

>

[Guest guest]

Om Parameshti Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Guru Ji,

 

After some time, I am coming to the group and thank you very much for clarifying

my doubts. I really did not thought the tatwas to be considered for the transit

effects of Shani. Excellent teaching Guru Ji.

 

Regards

Raghunatha Rao

http://www.Prashna-Astrology.com

 

sohamsa , Ramdas Hosabettu <kashyapagotraja wrote:

>

> OM SHRI RAGHVENDRA GURUBHYO NAMAH

> Dear Raghu,

> Generally speaking when Shani entered Kanya Rashi on 9/9/2009,Sadesathi has

> started.But technically when Shani transits the exact longitude of Chandra's

> degree in Kanya Rashi,Hi Sadesathi will start.But Kanya Rashi is Bhu Tattwa

> Rashi and Shani is the lord of Makara Rashi which is also a Bhu Tattwa

> Rashi,so Shani's malefic results will be reduced.

> I hope this helps you.

> With Shri Hari Vayu Guru Naama Smarana,

> Ramadas Ro.

>

> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:41 PM, raon1008 <raon1008 wrote:

>

 

 

> >

> >

> > Om Parameshti Gurave Namah

> >

> > Namaste Guru Ji, Gurus and Learned Members,

> >

> > An excellent discussion, thank you all for sharing principles and

> > knowledge.

> >

> > Now, may I request you to please clarify when will the actual Sade Sati is

> > considered to be commenced. For example, let us say Chandra is placed in 5

> > Li 23, in Rasi Chart. Recently, Shani tansited into Kanya Rasi on Sep 9th,

> > then which one is correct?

> >

> > 1) The native's has entered into the Sade Sati period OR

> > 2) The native's Sade Sati will begin when Shani attains the 5 Vi 23

> > longitude OR

> > 3) Any other parameters to be applied to determine the Sade Sati starting

> > point.

> >

> > Thank you for your help in advance in clarifying this to me.

> >

> > Regards

> > Raghunatha Rao

> > http://www.Prashna-Astrology.com <http://www.prashna-astrology.com/>

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Om Gurave NamahDear Raghunatha, namasteI am so glad Bojan and me spared you from Google translator, because I can bet that "Monthy Python's Flying Circus" would seem pathetic comparing to level of amusement provided by reading this Google Serbian-English translation. For illustration: there are seven declensions in Serbian, so... I promise it could hardly turn out as at least partially correct.This bellow is Bojan's article translated by living and breathing human beings. Enjoy it!

Sade Sati

 

Qualities of Sani are sorrow,

pain, illnesses, ripus/sins. Many times I have heard people declaring Sani as

highest teacher of all. This statement is very incorrect, while on the other

hand it is partially correct. Reason why it is incorrect lays in fact that

among Grahas Guru and Sukra are considered to be teachers or Gurus by Maharishi

Parashara, Maharishi Jaimini as well as other classics. Guru and Sukra are

ministers of Planetary Cabinet, while Sani is servant. From this we can make a

conclusion that Sani simply can’t be the highest teacher. On the other hand

Sani is Dharmaraj. He asked Brihaspati to teach him Dharma Shastra. Brihaspati

agreed on this and he requested duration of Sade Sati to be reduced as form of

dakshina for knowledge he gave to Sani. He knew it is impossible to cancel Sade

Sati completely. From this we can understand that no one is able to avoid effects

of his own bad karma. Sani’s transits as well as Dasas are always bringing

effects of our bad karma. From this point of view I can understand why many are

naming him to be the greatest teacher, but from all above it is clear he is

not. Sani is very karmic Graha, the slowest planet and farthest from Surya.

Considering that Brihaspati taught Sani on Dharma Shastra, which is knowledge

about truth, righteousness etc. Sani will always strive towards correcting

untruth, but he should not be taken as the truth, honesty etc. himself. He will

always endeavor to deliver effects of our own bad karma and in a way to make us

suffer equally as much as we caused others to suffer. Guru is supreme truth,

supreme knowledge, Karaka for ninth Bhava (also for second, fifth and

eleventh). Guru is Karaka for Paka Lagna and what is purpose of Paka Lagna? It is

the very filtration of all our thoughts, good and bad intentions because it is

Guru who carries memories of many past incarnations and, bottom line, being

such he knows what is for our own good or bad. He is advising us (or Lagna).

Question is if we will eventually take this advice or not. However the only

moment when we consciously change our Karma is present time, because we are

able to make good or bad decision only in present time and to make Karma

accordingly to made decision. This is the reason why Rishis and wise men

advised ones to associate with Sadhus, saintly people, Yogis, monks, people who

perform some way of self practice. Their influence will always be beneficial

and naturally supportive. Their advises will make it easier for Paka Lagna to

convince Lagna to make good decision and move towards good. There is

significant amount of writings about Sade Sati because Saturns transit effects

are apparent. Saturns transit over twelfth Bhava from Chandra, over Chandra

Bhava and second there from is forming this Sati. Considering that duration of

Sani’s transit over one Rasi is approx. two and half years, it is easy to

calculate entering another 22.5 year cycle after finishing entire 7.5 Sade Sati

cycle. 1 Rasi =30 months, 9 Rasis x 30 months=270 months/12=22.5 years.

However, it is less known that we can observe Sade Sati even in Navamsa (D9)

same as in Rasi chart (D1). Considering this is the most important divisional

chart along with Rasi, showing what kind of Bhagya (destined luck) on level of

Grahas we brought in to this life, reason is apparent. Navamsa will show

Vishnu’s blessings, their qualities and if we have them. One usually goes

through three Sade Satis during life time. If we stop for a moment and think

about it, we will realize that game of Karma is faultless and fast. For

example, it is known that Chandra is fastest Graha while Sani is slowest.

Chandra motion over one Rasi is approximately two and half days. In case if

Chandra is stationed at very end of Rasi, for example Mithuna and if it enters

Karka in the afternoon, while Sani is stationed at Simha, a native born during

afternoon will be born in Sade Sati, while native born during morning will not.

Same thing goes for Chandra placement with Sani (when special Yoga is formed)

and for Sani placed in second Rasi counted from Chandra. If one is born with

Chandra Yuti Sani, but Chandra is placed on the very end of Rasi, native will

enter next Sade Sati at the age of 25 (approximately), will remain in second

Sade Sati untill the age of 33 and enter next Sade Sati at the age of 56

(33+22.5=55/56). There is opinion that first Sade Sati takes away grandparents,

second takes away parents and third takes away native. Howewer, in practice we

can notice that this “first, second and third†refers on first next Sade sati,

meaning somewhere around age of 25-30. Ofcourse this rule is not black and

white because we can’t skip certain longevity decreasing combinations etc.

Considering that Chandra is very sensitive spot representing our mind and

Maharishi Parashara described Chandradi Yogas (position of Grahas in second and

twelfth from Chandra), Sani’s transit should have very bad influence on all

life areas. Twelfth Bhava from Chandra will show our emotional life, its

quality, so malefic placement in this Bhava is inauspicious, while benefics are

auspicious. Second Bhava from Chandra represents out sustenance, finances, so

malefics in this Bhava are very inauspicious for money, while benefics are

excellent. In 39th chapter, Maharishi Parashara is describing

Sunapha, Anapha and Duradara Yogas formed by Grahas placed in 2nd/12th

bhava from Chandra. He is saying that any Graha (except Surya, because Chandra

will be weak in that case) placed in these Bhavas is forming one of these Yogas

or both. Grahas in second Bhava from Chadra are forming Sunapha, in twelfth

Anapha and Grahas placed in both 2nd and 12th are forming

Duradara. What is evident at the very entering in Sade Sati is deprivation of

enthusiasm and happiness. When left alone feeling of emptiness appears, like

fortune faded away in some strange way and we are on our own and lonely. But

this is exactly a chance to be alone and think about life, what is life, why

are we born, what are our potential errors etc. Sani is Vayu tatwa (element) and

what he wants from us is to let our self go to the present state. We can’t

fight against windmills, we can’t escape our bad karma. What we can do is not

to fight, try to remain calm at side and observe game of karma. This is not

easy and simple but if we know how long it will last and try to understand

reason why are we going through it right now, we can make it easier for us. Variety

of its effects is high in range. Sani will definitely enter our life and let us

know he has arrived, it is only matter if we will be opened enough to notice

and accept him. Sani demands us to live our Karma and by living it to

understand ephemerality (time, Sani), to dedicate to ourselves and start

putting effort in own self development, to understand what is higher purpose

and goal. Only when we are fully opened for all possible combinations and

changes, for potential losses and illnesses, sorrow etc, we will be capable of

going through these 7.5 years in the easiest possible way. During Saturn’s transit over twelfth Bhava

from Chandra one can experience troubles in marriage life, misunderstandings

with parents and children, troubles in home life and residential changes. All

this together is pointing on strong Vayu tatwa (Air element) and strong Vaju

tatwa weakens Akash (or Ether) ruled by Guru. Remedy is to worship Kali Ma

(Kali-one of ten Mahavidyas) with Sani Graha mantra (Om Pram Prim Proum Sah

Sanischaraya Namah). Saturn’s transit over Janma Rasi (Chandra placement) can

cause bad company, loss of reputation or name, failure in undertakings,

dangers… Remedy is to worship Sri Hanuman in addition to the Beeja Mantra of

Saturn (Sam Sanischaraya Namah). During transit of Saturn over second Bhava

from Chandra one can expect this to cause financial problems, dangers from

Government/State, enmities> Remedy is in worshiping Sri Krishna and also

Sani Beeja Mantra. Timing bad events with taking Sade Sati in consideration is

crucial, so we must have in mind that every Dasa and Antar Dasa will not have

same effects during Sade Sati. If auspicious Dasa of Surya is running along

with Sade Sati, native will not necessarily experience hardships. On the other

hand, if Antar Dasa of Sukra starts during Surya Maha Dasa (Sukra is lording

debilitation Rasi for Surya) along with transit of Saturn over second Bhava

from Chandra (leading in financial problems) it is akin to sunset for Surya and

will point to problem. We can notice that this as well as other aspects of

Jyotish, very complex and requires detailed analysis. Keeping in mind what is

Sani representing and what is his role is definitely a must in this analysis.

Mahamritunjaya Mantra is always a good solution, especially when it comes to

health issues. Many of those who learn Jyotish have noticed significant number

of marriages occurred during Sade Sati, significant number of residential

changes etc. This is still an opened subject for further exploring and

research. Take observation on 20-30 charts of people you know well and try to

find similarities. You can learn and remember only through practice. Devata for

Saturn is Brahma, however in Shiva Mahapurana we can find that Brahma lied to

Vishnu that He had reached the top of Lingam (Shiva itself is embodied in it)

so He could win over more worshipers and make offerings to Him. Of course,

Shiva was aware of this and manifested in front of both Vishnu and Brahma. As

punishment He cut off one of Brahmas five heads and cursed Him for his lie not

to be worshiped ever again or to take offers. Brahma was satisfied with this

punishment, considering that Bhairava (created from Shiva’s eyebrows) did not

kill Him (Vishnu asked Shiva to spare Brahma). Instead of Brahma Narayana is to

be worshiped. Final instance is Shiva, who is highest teacher and removes ripus

(sins). By applying Mantra we are protecting our mind (Mana is mind, tray is

protection, so Mantra is protection of mind).

Another very good remedy is to

wear gems. What is happening during Sade Sati is that Sani (vayu tatva) is

strong and cooling the body (hence giving illness). There are two planets which

are warming up our body and those two are Mars or Venus. For every lagna either

Ma or Sk will be beneficial in this matter. So when we take mesa, Mars is lagna

lord and hence more beneficial (Sk is marakesh), for vrishaba it is Venus, for

maithuna it is Venus is 5th lord, hence more beneficial, for karka

Mars is yoga karaka, like this we should see all ascendants and give remedie.

Gem for Venus is diamond and for Mars it is red coral. Diamonds should be worn

in white gold and red coral in yellow gold, both on right hand ring finger.

Wish you all the best and lot of

knowledge and growth.

 

HARI OM TAT SAT

 

 

--- On Thu, 9/10/09, raon1008 <raon1008 wrote:raon1008 <raon1008 Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?sohamsa Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 6:43 PM

 

 

Om Parameshti Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Maja

 

An excellent snippet of the article translation. Please provide me the link to the original article, I will see if Google can translate to English for me, which may save some of your time for translating for us.

 

Thanks for taking time to reply to my questions.

 

Regards

Raghunatha Rao

http://www.Prashna- Astrology. com

 

sohamsa@ .com, Maja Ã… trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Raghunatha Rao, namaste

>

> Here is small quotation from Bojan's article as (at least some kind of) clarification to both of your questions:

>

>

>

> "During Saturn’s transit over twelfth Bhava from

> Chandra one can experience troubles in marriage life, misunderstandings with

> parents and children, troubles in home life and residential changes. All this

> together is pointing on strong Vaju tatwa (Air element) and strong Vaju tatwa

> weakens Akash (or Ether) ruled by Guru. Remedy is to worship Kali Ma (Kali-one

> of Dash Mahavidyas) with Sani Graha mantra (Om Pram Prim Proum Sah Sanischaraya

> Namah). Saturn’s transit over Janma Rasi (Chandra placement) can cause bad

> company, loss of reputation or name, failure in undertakings, dangers… Remedy is

> to worship Sri Hanuman in addition to the Beeja Mantra of Saturn (Sam

> Sanischaraya Namah). During transit of Saturn over second Bhava from Chandra

> one can expect this to cause financial problems, dangers from Government/State,

> enmities> Remedy is in worshiping Sri Krishna and also Sani Beeja Mantra*.

> Timing bad events with taking Sade Sati in consideration is crucial, so we must

> have in mind that every Dasa and Antar Dasa will not have same effects during

> Sade Sati. If auspicious Dasa of Surya is running along with Sade Sati, native

> will not necessarily experience hardships. On the other hand, if Antar Dasa of

> Sukra starts during Surya Maha Dasa (Sukra is lording debilitation Rasi for

> Surya) along with transit of Saturn over second Bhava from Chandra (leading in

> financial problems) it is akin to sunset for Surya and will point to problem."

>

> *in "Vedic remedies in Astrology" by Sanjay Rath, author wrote here just "Saturn" instead of "Saturn Beeja Mantra" as it is in this article. If you can find this book (warm recommendation) it is page 171-172. Bojan used this book as one of references for his article, of course. Let's wait a while before he sets complete translation on his website and see if this was just a typo. Then I will add you some examples.

>

> Warm regards,

> Maja Strbac

>

> Hari Om Tat Sat

>

>

>

> --- On Sun, 9/6/09, raon1008 <raon1008@.. .> wrote:

>

> raon1008 <raon1008@.. .>

> Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?

> sohamsa@ .com

> Sunday, September 6, 2009, 6:44 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Â

>

>

>

>

>

> Om Parameshti Gurave Namah

>

>

>

> Namaste Maja Ji,

>

>

>

> Thank you for taking time to reply to my query. First of all, I am happy to know that you are getting out of your Sade Sati in 4 days.

>

>

>

> For some time, I have been systematically watching a pattern of Saturn Sade Sati effects in other Vargas with some natives who are consulting to me.

>

>

>

> May I request you to please teach me the following:-

>

>

>

> 1) Remedies for Sade Sati counted from Rasi chart.

>

> 2) Dividing Sade Sati in 3 portions depending on Sani transiting 12th, 1st or 2nd from Janma rasi and interpretation of these 3 portions.

>

>

>

> If possible, please take an example chart when you write about the above.

>

>

>

> Again, thank you for your help in advance in clarifying this to me.

>

>

>

> Regards

>

> Raghunatha Rao

>

> http://www.Prashna- Astrology. com

>

>

>

> sohamsa@ .com, Maja Ã…Â trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

>

>

> Dear Raghunatha Rao, namaste

>

>

>

> You are correct, Sani Gochar is applicable for Varga charts. For example, Sani is in Simha Rasi at the moment and if Chandra is placed in Karka, Simha or Kanya in D10, then Sade Sati is currently running for this area of life (career).

>

>

>

> Of course, it will not be terrible and hard throughout every minute of these 7 and half years. Have this on your mind, please don't bring people in panic by giving them fatalistic predictions based on Sade Sati only.

>

>

>

> I am not familiar with remedies for Varga charts, but I can write you something more about remedies for Sade Sati counted from Rasi chart in case you can't find them anywhere.

>

>

>

> Are you familiar with dividing Sade Sati in 3 portions depending on Sani transiting 12th, 1st or 2nd from Janma rasi and interpretation of these 3 portions?

>

>

>

> Also take dasas in consideration. If there is Sani AD (or any difficult) running, then problems to be related with Sade Sati are confirmed (I am getting out of my Sade Sati in 4 days, I can confirm you this is correct).

>

>

>

> Warm Regards,

>

> Maja Strbac

>

>

>

> Hari Om Tat Sat

>

[Guest guest]

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Bojan,

Very nice piece on Shani, and sadi sati.

I just wanted to add one point.

Moon is karaka of mother,childhood, nurturing, sustenance ,etc.

When a person is born with Saturn in proximity with Moon, then it shows stress and related issues with Mother, home,

etc

When you think, a baby or young child is 100% dependent on the mother, and the surroundings. If Moon (and related karaka) is undergoing some influence of Saturn, for sure it affects the baby, or the native as a child.The the baby/child mother is everything, no milk, no food, no peace.

 

these impressions, conditions etc will have a lasting effect on the mind-emotions of the person.This also implies health and well being are affected in childhood.

etc etc

Best wishes

Lakshmi

 

 

 

Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastrosohamsa Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:13:37 AMRe: Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?

 

 

 

 

Om Gurave NamahDear Raghunatha, namasteI am so glad Bojan and me spared you from Google translator, because I can bet that "Monthy Python's Flying Circus" would seem pathetic comparing to level of amusement provided by reading this Google Serbian-English translation. For illustration: there are seven declensions in Serbian, so... I promise it could hardly turn out as at least partially correct.This bellow is Bojan's article translated by living and breathing human beings. Enjoy it!

Sade Sati

 

Qualities of Sani are sorrow, pain, illnesses, ripus/sins. Many times I have heard people declaring Sani as highest teacher of all. This statement is very incorrect, while on the other hand it is partially correct. Reason why it is incorrect lays in fact that among Grahas Guru and Sukra are considered to be teachers or Gurus by Maharishi Parashara, Maharishi Jaimini as well as other classics. Guru and Sukra are ministers of Planetary Cabinet, while Sani is servant. From this we can make a conclusion that Sani simply can’t be the highest teacher. On the other hand Sani is Dharmaraj. He asked Brihaspati to teach him Dharma Shastra. Brihaspati agreed on this and he requested duration of Sade Sati to be reduced as form of dakshina for knowledge he gave to Sani. He knew it is impossible to cancel Sade Sati completely. From this we can understand that no one is able to avoid effects of his own bad karma.

Sani’s transits as well as Dasas are always bringing effects of our bad karma. From this point of view I can understand why many are naming him to be the greatest teacher, but from all above it is clear he is not. Sani is very karmic Graha, the slowest planet and farthest from Surya. Considering that Brihaspati taught Sani on Dharma Shastra, which is knowledge about truth, righteousness etc. Sani will always strive towards correcting untruth, but he should not be taken as the truth, honesty etc. himself. He will always endeavor to deliver effects of our own bad karma and in a way to make us suffer equally as much as we caused others to suffer. Guru is supreme truth, supreme knowledge, Karaka for ninth Bhava (also for second, fifth and eleventh). Guru is Karaka for Paka Lagna and what is purpose of Paka Lagna? It is the very filtration of all our thoughts, good and bad intentions because it is Guru who carries memories of many past incarnations and,

bottom line, being such he knows what is for our own good or bad. He is advising us (or Lagna). Question is if we will eventually take this advice or not. However the only moment when we consciously change our Karma is present time, because we are able to make good or bad decision only in present time and to make Karma accordingly to made decision. This is the reason why Rishis and wise men advised ones to associate with Sadhus, saintly people, Yogis, monks, people who perform some way of self practice. Their influence will always be beneficial and naturally supportive. Their advises will make it easier for Paka Lagna to convince Lagna to make good decision and move towards good. There is significant amount of writings about Sade Sati because Saturns transit effects are apparent. Saturns transit over twelfth Bhava from Chandra, over Chandra Bhava and second there from is forming this Sati. Considering that duration of Sani’s transit over one Rasi is

approx. two and half years, it is easy to calculate entering another 22.5 year cycle after finishing entire 7.5 Sade Sati cycle. 1 Rasi =30 months, 9 Rasis x 30 months=270 months/12=22. 5 years. However, it is less known that we can observe Sade Sati even in Navamsa (D9) same as in Rasi chart (D1). Considering this is the most important divisional chart along with Rasi, showing what kind of Bhagya (destined luck) on level of Grahas we brought in to this life, reason is apparent. Navamsa will show Vishnu’s blessings, their qualities and if we have them. One usually goes through three Sade Satis during life time. If we stop for a moment and think about it, we will realize that game of Karma is faultless and fast. For example, it is known that Chandra is fastest Graha while Sani is slowest. Chandra motion over one Rasi is approximately two and half days. In case if Chandra is stationed at very end of Rasi, for example Mithuna and if it enters Karka in

the afternoon, while Sani is stationed at Simha, a native born during afternoon will be born in Sade Sati, while native born during morning will not. Same thing goes for Chandra placement with Sani (when special Yoga is formed) and for Sani placed in second Rasi counted from Chandra. If one is born with Chandra Yuti Sani, but Chandra is placed on the very end of Rasi, native will enter next Sade Sati at the age of 25 (approximately) , will remain in second Sade Sati untill the age of 33 and enter next Sade Sati at the age of 56 (33+22.5=55/ 56). There is opinion that first Sade Sati takes away grandparents, second takes away parents and third takes away native. Howewer, in practice we can notice that this “first, second and third†refers on first next Sade sati, meaning somewhere around age of 25-30. Ofcourse this rule is not black and white because we can’t skip certain longevity decreasing combinations etc. Considering that Chandra is very

sensitive spot representing our mind and Maharishi Parashara described Chandradi Yogas (position of Grahas in second and twelfth from Chandra), Sani’s transit should have very bad influence on all life areas. Twelfth Bhava from Chandra will show our emotional life, its quality, so malefic placement in this Bhava is inauspicious, while benefics are auspicious. Second Bhava from Chandra represents out sustenance, finances, so malefics in this Bhava are very inauspicious for money, while benefics are excellent. In 39th chapter, Maharishi Parashara is describing Sunapha, Anapha and Duradara Yogas formed by Grahas placed in 2nd/12th bhava from Chandra. He is saying that any Graha (except Surya, because Chandra will be weak in that case) placed in these Bhavas is forming one of these Yogas or both. Grahas in second Bhava from Chadra are forming Sunapha, in twelfth Anapha and Grahas placed in both 2nd and

12th are forming Duradara. What is evident at the very entering in Sade Sati is deprivation of enthusiasm and happiness. When left alone feeling of emptiness appears, like fortune faded away in some strange way and we are on our own and lonely. But this is exactly a chance to be alone and think about life, what is life, why are we born, what are our potential errors etc. Sani is Vayu tatwa (element) and what he wants from us is to let our self go to the present state. We can’t fight against windmills, we can’t escape our bad karma. What we can do is not to fight, try to remain calm at side and observe game of karma. This is not easy and simple but if we know how long it will last and try to understand reason why are we going through it right now, we can make it easier for us. Variety of its effects is high in range. Sani will definitely enter our life and let us know he has arrived, it is only matter if we will be opened enough to notice

and accept him. Sani demands us to live our Karma and by living it to understand ephemerality (time, Sani), to dedicate to ourselves and start putting effort in own self development, to understand what is higher purpose and goal. Only when we are fully opened for all possible combinations and changes, for potential losses and illnesses, sorrow etc, we will be capable of going through these 7.5 years in the easiest possible way. During Saturn’s transit over twelfth Bhava from Chandra one can experience troubles in marriage life, misunderstandings with parents and children, troubles in home life and residential changes. All this together is pointing on strong Vayu tatwa (Air element) and strong Vaju tatwa weakens Akash (or Ether) ruled by Guru. Remedy is to worship Kali Ma (Kali-one of ten Mahavidyas) with Sani Graha mantra (Om Pram Prim Proum Sah Sanischaraya Namah). Saturn’s transit over Janma Rasi (Chandra placement) can cause

bad company, loss of reputation or name, failure in undertakings, dangers… Remedy is to worship Sri Hanuman in addition to the Beeja Mantra of Saturn (Sam Sanischaraya Namah). During transit of Saturn over second Bhava from Chandra one can expect this to cause financial problems, dangers from Government/State, enmities> Remedy is in worshiping Sri Krishna and also Sani Beeja Mantra. Timing bad events with taking Sade Sati in consideration is crucial, so we must have in mind that every Dasa and Antar Dasa will not have same effects during Sade Sati. If auspicious Dasa of Surya is running along with Sade Sati, native will not necessarily experience hardships. On the other hand, if Antar Dasa of Sukra starts during Surya Maha Dasa (Sukra is lording debilitation Rasi for Surya) along with transit of Saturn over second Bhava from Chandra (leading in financial problems) it is akin to sunset for Surya and will point to problem. We can notice that this as

well as other aspects of Jyotish, very complex and requires detailed analysis. Keeping in mind what is Sani representing and what is his role is definitely a must in this analysis. Mahamritunjaya Mantra is always a good solution, especially when it comes to health issues. Many of those who learn Jyotish have noticed significant number of marriages occurred during Sade Sati, significant number of residential changes etc. This is still an opened subject for further exploring and research. Take observation on 20-30 charts of people you know well and try to find similarities. You can learn and remember only through practice. Devata for Saturn is Brahma, however in Shiva Mahapurana we can find that Brahma lied to Vishnu that He had reached the top of Lingam (Shiva itself is embodied in it) so He could win over more worshipers and make offerings to Him. Of course, Shiva was aware of this and manifested in front of both Vishnu and Brahma. As punishment He cut

off one of Brahmas five heads and cursed Him for his lie not to be worshiped ever again or to take offers. Brahma was satisfied with this punishment, considering that Bhairava (created from Shiva’s eyebrows) did not kill Him (Vishnu asked Shiva to spare Brahma). Instead of Brahma Narayana is to be worshiped. Final instance is Shiva, who is highest teacher and removes ripus (sins). By applying Mantra we are protecting our mind (Mana is mind, tray is protection, so Mantra is protection of mind).

Another very good remedy is to wear gems. What is happening during Sade Sati is that Sani (vayu tatva) is strong and cooling the body (hence giving illness). There are two planets which are warming up our body and those two are Mars or Venus. For every lagna either Ma or Sk will be beneficial in this matter. So when we take mesa, Mars is lagna lord and hence more beneficial (Sk is marakesh), for vrishaba it is Venus, for maithuna it is Venus is 5th lord, hence more beneficial, for karka Mars is yoga karaka, like this we should see all ascendants and give remedie. Gem for Venus is diamond and for Mars it is red coral. Diamonds should be worn in white gold and red coral in yellow gold, both on right hand ring finger.

Wish you all the best and lot of knowledge and growth.

 

HARI OM TAT SAT

 

--- On Thu, 9/10/09, raon1008 <raon1008 > wrote:

raon1008 <raon1008 > Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?sohamsa@ .comThursday, September 10, 2009, 6:43 PM

Om Parameshti Gurave NamahNamaste MajaAn excellent snippet of the article translation. Please provide me the link to the original article, I will see if Google can translate to English for me, which may save some of your time for translating for us.Thanks for taking time to reply to my questions.RegardsRaghunatha Raohttp://www.Prashna- Astrology. comsohamsa@ .com, Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote:>> Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Raghunatha Rao, namaste> > Here is small quotation from Bojan's article as (at least some kind of) clarification to both of your questions:> > > > "During Saturn’s transit over twelfth Bhava from> Chandra one can experience troubles in marriage life, misunderstandings

with> parents and children, troubles in home life and residential changes. All this> together is pointing on strong Vaju tatwa (Air element) and strong Vaju tatwa> weakens Akash (or Ether) ruled by Guru. Remedy is to worship Kali Ma (Kali-one> of Dash Mahavidyas) with Sani Graha mantra (Om Pram Prim Proum Sah Sanischaraya> Namah). Saturn’s transit over Janma Rasi (Chandra placement) can cause bad> company, loss of reputation or name, failure in undertakings, dangers… Remedy is> to worship Sri Hanuman in addition to the Beeja Mantra of Saturn (Sam> Sanischaraya Namah). During transit of Saturn over second Bhava from Chandra> one can expect this to cause financial problems, dangers from Government/State,> enmities> Remedy is in worshiping Sri Krishna and also Sani Beeja Mantra*.> Timing bad events with taking Sade Sati in consideration is crucial, so we

must> have in mind that every Dasa and Antar Dasa will not have same effects during> Sade Sati. If auspicious Dasa of Surya is running along with Sade Sati, native> will not necessarily experience hardships. On the other hand, if Antar Dasa of> Sukra starts during Surya Maha Dasa (Sukra is lording debilitation Rasi for> Surya) along with transit of Saturn over second Bhava from Chandra (leading in> financial problems) it is akin to sunset for Surya and will point to problem."> > *in "Vedic remedies in Astrology" by Sanjay Rath, author wrote here just "Saturn" instead of "Saturn Beeja Mantra" as it is in this article. If you can find this book (warm recommendation) it is page 171-172. Bojan used this book as one of references for his article, of course. Let's wait a while before he sets complete translation on his website and see if this was just a typo. Then I will add you some examples.>

> Warm regards,> Maja Strbac> > Hari Om Tat Sat> > > > --- On Sun, 9/6/09, raon1008 <raon1008@.. .> wrote:> > raon1008 <raon1008@.. .>> Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?> sohamsa@ .com> Sunday, September 6, 2009, 6:44 AM> > > > > > > Â > > > > > > Om Parameshti Gurave Namah> > > > Namaste Maja Ji,> > > > Thank you for taking time to reply to my query. First of all, I am happy to know that you are getting out of your Sade Sati in 4 days.> > > > For some time, I have been systematically watching a pattern of Saturn Sade Sati effects in other Vargas with some natives who are

consulting to me.> > > > May I request you to please teach me the following:-> > > > 1) Remedies for Sade Sati counted from Rasi chart.> > 2) Dividing Sade Sati in 3 portions depending on Sani transiting 12th, 1st or 2nd from Janma rasi and interpretation of these 3 portions.> > > > If possible, please take an example chart when you write about the above.> > > > Again, thank you for your help in advance in clarifying this to me.> > > > Regards> > Raghunatha Rao> > http://www.Prashna- Astrology. com> > > > sohamsa@ .com, Maja Ã…Â trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote:> > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > > Dear

Raghunatha Rao, namaste> > > > You are correct, Sani Gochar is applicable for Varga charts. For example, Sani is in Simha Rasi at the moment and if Chandra is placed in Karka, Simha or Kanya in D10, then Sade Sati is currently running for this area of life (career).> > > > Of course, it will not be terrible and hard throughout every minute of these 7 and half years. Have this on your mind, please don't bring people in panic by giving them fatalistic predictions based on Sade Sati only.> > > > I am not familiar with remedies for Varga charts, but I can write you something more about remedies for Sade Sati counted from Rasi chart in case you can't find them anywhere. > > > > Are you familiar with dividing Sade Sati in 3 portions depending on Sani transiting 12th, 1st or 2nd from Janma rasi and interpretation of these 3 portions?> >

> > Also take dasas in consideration. If there is Sani AD (or any difficult) running, then problems to be related with Sade Sati are confirmed (I am getting out of my Sade Sati in 4 days, I can confirm you this is correct).> > > > Warm Regards,> > Maja Strbac> > > > Hari Om Tat Sat>

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Hare Rama KrishnaDear Lakshmi thank you.

Yes, yuti Sa and Ch can bring problems and melancholy, but some food restrictions, problems with mother etc I have not seen. But what I saw from my excperience is that for example in my case I had all I needed, but we moved to another town

My daughter is born during sade sati (SA CH) in yuti - and we also moved during that time to another town, excepting this fact nothing was problematic (on contrary everything was great with Mother, brestfeeding, nurishing, and perfect health).

So we should take examples and see why and when some issue occured.

I also prepared small table to show what happened in various carts during this 3 parts of 7,5 years...

Soon it will be in english also I believe.

Other people can share their excperiences and it would be very nice for all of us.

Best wishes, Bojan

hari om tat sat

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--- On Sat, 9/12/09, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary wrote:

Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikaryRe: Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?sohamsa Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 5:50 PM

 

 

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Bojan,

Very nice piece on Shani, and sadi sati.

I just wanted to add one point.

Moon is karaka of mother,childhood, nurturing, sustenance ,etc.

When a person is born with Saturn in proximity with Moon, then it shows stress and related issues with Mother, home,

etc

When you think, a baby or young child is 100% dependent on the mother, and the surroundings. If Moon (and related karaka) is undergoing some influence of Saturn, for sure it affects the baby, or the native as a child.The the baby/child mother is everything, no milk, no food, no peace.

 

these impressions, conditions etc will have a lasting effect on the mind-emotions of the person.This also implies health and well being are affected in childhood.

etc etc

Best wishes

Lakshmi

 

 

 

Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ >sohamsa@ .comSaturday, September 12, 2009 8:13:37 AMRe: Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?

 

 

 

 

Om Gurave NamahDear Raghunatha, namasteI am so glad Bojan and me spared you from Google translator, because I can bet that "Monthy Python's Flying Circus" would seem pathetic comparing to level of amusement provided by reading this Google Serbian-English translation. For illustration: there are seven declensions in Serbian, so... I promise it could hardly turn out as at least partially correct.This bellow is Bojan's article translated by living and breathing human beings. Enjoy it!

Sade Sati

 

Qualities of Sani are sorrow, pain, illnesses, ripus/sins. Many times I have heard people declaring Sani as highest teacher of all. This statement is very incorrect, while on the other hand it is partially correct. Reason why it is incorrect lays in fact that among Grahas Guru and Sukra are considered to be teachers or Gurus by Maharishi Parashara, Maharishi Jaimini as well as other classics. Guru and Sukra are ministers of Planetary Cabinet, while Sani is servant. From this we can make a conclusion that Sani simply can’t be the highest teacher. On the other hand Sani is Dharmaraj. He asked Brihaspati to teach him Dharma Shastra. Brihaspati agreed on this and he requested duration of Sade Sati to be reduced as form of dakshina for knowledge he gave to Sani.. He knew it is impossible to cancel Sade Sati completely. From this we can understand that no one is able to avoid effects of his own bad karma.

Sani’s transits as well as Dasas are always bringing effects of our bad karma. From this point of view I can understand why many are naming him to be the greatest teacher, but from all above it is clear he is not. Sani is very karmic Graha, the slowest planet and farthest from Surya. Considering that Brihaspati taught Sani on Dharma Shastra, which is knowledge about truth, righteousness etc. Sani will always strive towards correcting untruth, but he should not be taken as the truth, honesty etc. himself. He will always endeavor to deliver effects of our own bad karma and in a way to make us suffer equally as much as we caused others to suffer. Guru is supreme truth, supreme knowledge, Karaka for ninth Bhava (also for second, fifth and eleventh). Guru is Karaka for Paka Lagna and what is purpose of Paka Lagna? It is the very filtration of all our thoughts, good and bad intentions because it is Guru who carries memories of many past incarnations and,

bottom line, being such he knows what is for our own good or bad. He is advising us (or Lagna). Question is if we will eventually take this advice or not. However the only moment when we consciously change our Karma is present time, because we are able to make good or bad decision only in present time and to make Karma accordingly to made decision. This is the reason why Rishis and wise men advised ones to associate with Sadhus, saintly people, Yogis, monks, people who perform some way of self practice. Their influence will always be beneficial and naturally supportive. Their advises will make it easier for Paka Lagna to convince Lagna to make good decision and move towards good. There is significant amount of writings about Sade Sati because Saturns transit effects are apparent. Saturns transit over twelfth Bhava from Chandra, over Chandra Bhava and second there from is forming this Sati. Considering that duration of Sani’s transit over one Rasi is

approx. two and half years, it is easy to calculate entering another 22.5 year cycle after finishing entire 7.5 Sade Sati cycle. 1 Rasi =30 months, 9 Rasis x 30 months=270 months/12=22. 5 years. However, it is less known that we can observe Sade Sati even in Navamsa (D9) same as in Rasi chart (D1). Considering this is the most important divisional chart along with Rasi, showing what kind of Bhagya (destined luck) on level of Grahas we brought in to this life, reason is apparent. Navamsa will show Vishnu’s blessings, their qualities and if we have them. One usually goes through three Sade Satis during life time. If we stop for a moment and think about it, we will realize that game of Karma is faultless and fast. For example, it is known that Chandra is fastest Graha while Sani is slowest. Chandra motion over one Rasi is approximately two and half days. In case if Chandra is stationed at very end of Rasi, for example Mithuna and if it enters Karka in

the afternoon, while Sani is stationed at Simha, a native born during afternoon will be born in Sade Sati, while native born during morning will not. Same thing goes for Chandra placement with Sani (when special Yoga is formed) and for Sani placed in second Rasi counted from Chandra. If one is born with Chandra Yuti Sani, but Chandra is placed on the very end of Rasi, native will enter next Sade Sati at the age of 25 (approximately) , will remain in second Sade Sati untill the age of 33 and enter next Sade Sati at the age of 56 (33+22.5=55/ 56). There is opinion that first Sade Sati takes away grandparents, second takes away parents and third takes away native. Howewer, in practice we can notice that this “first, second and third†refers on first next Sade sati, meaning somewhere around age of 25-30. Ofcourse this rule is not black and white because we can’t skip certain longevity decreasing combinations etc. Considering that Chandra is very

sensitive spot representing our mind and Maharishi Parashara described Chandradi Yogas (position of Grahas in second and twelfth from Chandra), Sani’s transit should have very bad influence on all life areas. Twelfth Bhava from Chandra will show our emotional life, its quality, so malefic placement in this Bhava is inauspicious, while benefics are auspicious. Second Bhava from Chandra represents out sustenance, finances, so malefics in this Bhava are very inauspicious for money, while benefics are excellent. In 39th chapter, Maharishi Parashara is describing Sunapha, Anapha and Duradara Yogas formed by Grahas placed in 2nd/12th bhava from Chandra. He is saying that any Graha (except Surya, because Chandra will be weak in that case) placed in these Bhavas is forming one of these Yogas or both. Grahas in second Bhava from Chadra are forming Sunapha, in twelfth Anapha and Grahas placed in both 2nd and

12th are forming Duradara. What is evident at the very entering in Sade Sati is deprivation of enthusiasm and happiness. When left alone feeling of emptiness appears, like fortune faded away in some strange way and we are on our own and lonely. But this is exactly a chance to be alone and think about life, what is life, why are we born, what are our potential errors etc. Sani is Vayu tatwa (element) and what he wants from us is to let our self go to the present state. We can’t fight against windmills, we can’t escape our bad karma. What we can do is not to fight, try to remain calm at side and observe game of karma. This is not easy and simple but if we know how long it will last and try to understand reason why are we going through it right now, we can make it easier for us. Variety of its effects is high in range. Sani will definitely enter our life and let us know he has arrived, it is only matter if we will be opened enough to notice

and accept him. Sani demands us to live our Karma and by living it to understand ephemerality (time, Sani), to dedicate to ourselves and start putting effort in own self development, to understand what is higher purpose and goal. Only when we are fully opened for all possible combinations and changes, for potential losses and illnesses, sorrow etc, we will be capable of going through these 7.5 years in the easiest possible way. During Saturn’s transit over twelfth Bhava from Chandra one can experience troubles in marriage life, misunderstandings with parents and children, troubles in home life and residential changes. All this together is pointing on strong Vayu tatwa (Air element) and strong Vaju tatwa weakens Akash (or Ether) ruled by Guru. Remedy is to worship Kali Ma (Kali-one of ten Mahavidyas) with Sani Graha mantra (Om Pram Prim Proum Sah Sanischaraya Namah). Saturn’s transit over Janma Rasi (Chandra placement) can cause

bad company, loss of reputation or name, failure in undertakings, dangers… Remedy is to worship Sri Hanuman in addition to the Beeja Mantra of Saturn (Sam Sanischaraya Namah). During transit of Saturn over second Bhava from Chandra one can expect this to cause financial problems, dangers from Government/State, enmities> Remedy is in worshiping Sri Krishna and also Sani Beeja Mantra. Timing bad events with taking Sade Sati in consideration is crucial, so we must have in mind that every Dasa and Antar Dasa will not have same effects during Sade Sati. If auspicious Dasa of Surya is running along with Sade Sati, native will not necessarily experience hardships. On the other hand, if Antar Dasa of Sukra starts during Surya Maha Dasa (Sukra is lording debilitation Rasi for Surya) along with transit of Saturn over second Bhava from Chandra (leading in financial problems) it is akin to sunset for Surya and will point to problem. We can notice that this as

well as other aspects of Jyotish, very complex and requires detailed analysis. Keeping in mind what is Sani representing and what is his role is definitely a must in this analysis. Mahamritunjaya Mantra is always a good solution, especially when it comes to health issues. Many of those who learn Jyotish have noticed significant number of marriages occurred during Sade Sati, significant number of residential changes etc. This is still an opened subject for further exploring and research. Take observation on 20-30 charts of people you know well and try to find similarities. You can learn and remember only through practice. Devata for Saturn is Brahma, however in Shiva Mahapurana we can find that Brahma lied to Vishnu that He had reached the top of Lingam (Shiva itself is embodied in it) so He could win over more worshipers and make offerings to Him. Of course, Shiva was aware of this and manifested in front of both Vishnu and Brahma. As punishment He cut

off one of Brahmas five heads and cursed Him for his lie not to be worshiped ever again or to take offers. Brahma was satisfied with this punishment, considering that Bhairava (created from Shiva’s eyebrows) did not kill Him (Vishnu asked Shiva to spare Brahma). Instead of Brahma Narayana is to be worshiped. Final instance is Shiva, who is highest teacher and removes ripus (sins). By applying Mantra we are protecting our mind (Mana is mind, tray is protection, so Mantra is protection of mind).

Another very good remedy is to wear gems. What is happening during Sade Sati is that Sani (vayu tatva) is strong and cooling the body (hence giving illness). There are two planets which are warming up our body and those two are Mars or Venus. For every lagna either Ma or Sk will be beneficial in this matter. So when we take mesa, Mars is lagna lord and hence more beneficial (Sk is marakesh), for vrishaba it is Venus, for maithuna it is Venus is 5th lord, hence more beneficial, for karka Mars is yoga karaka, like this we should see all ascendants and give remedie. Gem for Venus is diamond and for Mars it is red coral. Diamonds should be worn in white gold and red coral in yellow gold, both on right hand ring finger.

Wish you all the best and lot of knowledge and growth.

 

HARI OM TAT SAT

 

--- On Thu, 9/10/09, raon1008 <raon1008 > wrote:

raon1008 <raon1008 > Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?sohamsa@ .comThursday, September 10, 2009, 6:43 PM

Om Parameshti Gurave NamahNamaste MajaAn excellent snippet of the article translation. Please provide me the link to the original article, I will see if Google can translate to English for me, which may save some of your time for translating for us.Thanks for taking time to reply to my questions.RegardsRaghunatha Raohttp://www..Prashna- Astrology. comsohamsa@ .com, Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote:>> Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Raghunatha Rao, namaste> > Here is small quotation from Bojan's article as (at least some kind of) clarification to both of your questions:> > > > "During Saturn’s transit over twelfth Bhava from> Chandra one can experience troubles in marriage life, misunderstandings

with> parents and children, troubles in home life and residential changes. All this> together is pointing on strong Vaju tatwa (Air element) and strong Vaju tatwa> weakens Akash (or Ether) ruled by Guru. Remedy is to worship Kali Ma (Kali-one> of Dash Mahavidyas) with Sani Graha mantra (Om Pram Prim Proum Sah Sanischaraya> Namah). Saturn’s transit over Janma Rasi (Chandra placement) can cause bad> company, loss of reputation or name, failure in undertakings, dangers… Remedy is> to worship Sri Hanuman in addition to the Beeja Mantra of Saturn (Sam> Sanischaraya Namah). During transit of Saturn over second Bhava from Chandra> one can expect this to cause financial problems, dangers from Government/State,> enmities> Remedy is in worshiping Sri Krishna and also Sani Beeja Mantra*.> Timing bad events with taking Sade Sati in consideration is crucial, so we

must> have in mind that every Dasa and Antar Dasa will not have same effects during> Sade Sati. If auspicious Dasa of Surya is running along with Sade Sati, native> will not necessarily experience hardships. On the other hand, if Antar Dasa of> Sukra starts during Surya Maha Dasa (Sukra is lording debilitation Rasi for> Surya) along with transit of Saturn over second Bhava from Chandra (leading in> financial problems) it is akin to sunset for Surya and will point to problem."> > *in "Vedic remedies in Astrology" by Sanjay Rath , author wrote here just "Saturn" instead of "Saturn Beeja Mantra" as it is in this article. If you can find this book (warm recommendation) it is page 171-172. Bojan used this book as one of references for his article, of course. Let's wait a while before he sets complete translation on his website and see if this was just a typo. Then I will add you some examples.> > Warm regards,> Maja Strbac> > Hari Om Tat Sat> > > > --- On Sun, 9/6/09, raon1008 <raon1008@.. .> wrote:> > raon1008 <raon1008@.. .>> Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?> sohamsa@ .com> Sunday, September 6, 2009, 6:44 AM> > > > > > > Â > > > > > > Om Parameshti Gurave Namah> > > > Namaste Maja Ji,> > > > Thank you for taking time to reply to my query. First of all, I am happy to know that you are getting out of your Sade Sati in 4 days.> > > > For some time, I have been systematically watching a pattern of Saturn Sade Sati effects in other Vargas with some natives who are consulting to me.> > > > May I request you to please teach me the following:-> > > > 1) Remedies for Sade Sati counted from Rasi chart.> > 2) Dividing Sade Sati in 3 portions depending on Sani transiting 12th, 1st or 2nd from Janma rasi and interpretation of these 3

portions.> > > > If possible, please take an example chart when you write about the above.> > > > Again, thank you for your help in advance in clarifying this to me.> > > > Regards> > Raghunatha Rao> > http://www.Prashna- Astrology. com> > > > sohamsa@ .com, Maja Ã…Â trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote:> > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > > Dear Raghunatha Rao, namaste> > > > You are correct, Sani Gochar is applicable for Varga charts. For example, Sani is in Simha Rasi at the moment and if Chandra is placed in Karka, Simha or Kanya in D10, then Sade Sati is currently running for this area of life (career).> > > > Of

course, it will not be terrible and hard throughout every minute of these 7 and half years. Have this on your mind, please don't bring people in panic by giving them fatalistic predictions based on Sade Sati only.> > > > I am not familiar with remedies for Varga charts, but I can write you something more about remedies for Sade Sati counted from Rasi chart in case you can't find them anywhere. > > > > Are you familiar with dividing Sade Sati in 3 portions depending on Sani transiting 12th, 1st or 2nd from Janma rasi and interpretation of these 3 portions?> > > > Also take dasas in consideration. If there is Sani AD (or any difficult) running, then problems to be related with Sade Sati are confirmed (I am getting out of my Sade Sati in 4 days, I can confirm you this is correct).> > > > Warm Regards,> > Maja Strbac> >

> > Hari Om Tat Sat>

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BOm Gurave NamahaDear MajaJust to add to what you gave very adeptly mentioned , chanting the Rudrachamakkam esp the 3 rd verse is very effective during the ' kantaka ' phase of Sade sati.Best RegardsSharat Sent from my iPhone 3GOn 10 Sep 2009, at 10:15 PM, Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro wrote:

 

Om Gurave NamahDear Raghunatha Rao, namasteHere is small quotation from Bojan's article as (at least some kind of) clarification to both of your questions:"During Saturn’s transit over twelfth Bhava from

Chandra one can experience troubles in marriage life, misunderstandings with

parents and children, troubles in home life and residential changes. All this

together is pointing on strong Vaju tatwa (Air element) and strong Vaju tatwa

weakens Akash (or Ether) ruled by Guru. Remedy is to worship Kali Ma (Kali-one

of Dash Mahavidyas) with Sani Graha mantra (Om Pram Prim Proum Sah Sanischaraya

Namah). Saturn’s transit over Janma Rasi (Chandra placement) can cause bad

company, loss of reputation or name, failure in undertakings, dangers… Remedy is

to worship Sri Hanuman in addition to the Beeja Mantra of Saturn (Sam

Sanischaraya Namah). During transit of Saturn over second Bhava from Chandra

one can expect this to cause financial problems, dangers from Government/State,

enmities> Remedy is in worshiping Sri Krishna and also Sani Beeja Mantra*.

Timing bad events with taking Sade Sati in consideration is crucial, so we must

have in mind that every Dasa and Antar Dasa will not have same effects during

Sade Sati. If auspicious Dasa of Surya is running along with Sade Sati, native

will not necessarily experience hardships. On the other hand, if Antar Dasa of

Sukra starts during Surya Maha Dasa (Sukra is lording debilitation Rasi for

Surya) along with transit of Saturn over second Bhava from Chandra (leading in

financial problems) it is akin to sunset for Surya and will point to problem."*in "Vedic remedies in Astrology" by Sanjay Rath, author wrote here just "Saturn" instead of "Saturn Beeja Mantra" as it is in this article. If you can find this book (warm recommendation) it is page 171-172. Bojan used this book as one of references for his article, of course. Let's wait a while before he sets complete translation on his website and see if this was just a typo. Then I will add you some examples.Warm regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Sun, 9/6/09, raon1008 <raon1008 > wrote:raon1008 <raon1008 > Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?sohamsa Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 6:44

AM

 

Om Parameshti Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Maja Ji,

 

Thank you for taking time to reply to my query. First of all, I am happy to know that you are getting out of your Sade Sati in 4 days.

 

For some time, I have been systematically watching a pattern of Saturn Sade Sati effects in other Vargas with some natives who are consulting to me.

 

May I request you to please teach me the following:-

 

1) Remedies for Sade Sati counted from Rasi chart.

2) Dividing Sade Sati in 3 portions depending on Sani transiting 12th, 1st or 2nd from Janma rasi and interpretation of these 3 portions.

 

If possible, please take an example chart when you write about the above.

 

Again, thank you for your help in advance in clarifying this to me.

 

Regards

Raghunatha Rao

http://www.Prashna- Astrology. com

 

sohamsa@ .com, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote:

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Raghunatha Rao, namaste

 

You are correct, Sani Gochar is applicable for Varga charts. For example, Sani is in Simha Rasi at the moment and if Chandra is placed in Karka, Simha or Kanya in D10, then Sade Sati is currently running for this area of life (career).

 

Of course, it will not be terrible and hard throughout every minute of these 7 and half years. Have this on your mind, please don't bring people in panic by giving them fatalistic predictions based on Sade Sati only.

 

I am not familiar with remedies for Varga charts, but I can write you something more about remedies for Sade Sati counted from Rasi chart in case you can't find them anywhere.

 

Are you familiar with dividing Sade Sati in 3 portions depending on Sani transiting 12th, 1st or 2nd from Janma rasi and interpretation of these 3 portions?

 

Also take dasas in consideration. If there is Sani AD (or any difficult) running, then problems to be related with Sade Sati are confirmed (I am getting out of my Sade Sati in 4 days, I can confirm you this is correct).

 

Warm Regards,

Maja Strbac

 

Hari Om Tat Sat

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Om Gurave NamahaDear Maja,Good to hear from you.My data is 13/03/57; 20:59:08,Kanpur,UP, India ( not the Kanpur in Orissa)For me Tula lagna, Shani is yogakaraka and like yourself janma rasi is karaka.But Chandra is strong in it's own sign.For health, we see Paka lagna and lagnesh, right?Of course Chandra shows the shareera or the body.I have just come out of this Sade sati but no physical issues to talk about.But yes my life has transformed in the past 5 years.I think Chandra is the key, if strong it will protect the body and mind.If malefic or ill placed, can cause physical issues but always look at lagnesh and paka lagna to decipher it more accurately.Kantaka shani worked albeit briefly, so being in the 10 th bhava it shook me a bit but then showed me a better path, so yes hurt at that time but fruits of that have now been reaped . Rudrachamakkam helped me tide over it.Rahu, in lagna , keeps me busy and I am looking forward to it's transit to my 3rd bhava.More soon, let me see your chart.Best RegardsSharat Sent from my iPhone 3GOn 10 Sep 2009, at 10:55 PM, Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro wrote:

 

Om Gurave NamahDear Sharat, namasteI can't believe I missed this email........ terrible.Transit of Sani over Janma Rasi in Rasi chart must bring health issues, due to MKS of Sani in 1st bhava from its placement, plus 1st bhava is always related to health, Chandra is also involved in health issues and Rasi chart is over all, as you said, physical self. Now, if this is supported with difficult MD/AD for health, bingo! I felt this on my own skin. When Sani was in Karka (my Janma Rasi) it was the only time I was experiencing chronic health issues since I am born (now I am perfectly fine). It was terrible, but thanks to this event I officially separated from allopathic medicine for rest of my life (except diagnostic.... and I do hope I will not break any bone, so I will avoid surgery as well This Sani transit was supported with

Ketu MD and Rahu AD, maraka placement to each other, but there is parivartana between Ketu and Guru in my chart, so "technically" this was Guru-Rahu MD-AD. Guru is in Vrishchika, Rahu is in Mithuna, 6/8 placement plus they just love eachother, don't they? Birth data for this story: 05th of December 1982, at 01:15 AM, 17 E 48, 43 N 20, Time zone 01h East of GMT. Kanya lagna, Mesh navamsa.I believe there is similar logic for other divisional charts. For parents we should observe Sani transits from Chandra in D12 and apply Dasas, or to use transit of Sani over 12th from Chandra in Navamsa for possible marital problems (if native is married. Otherwise I would not take this in consideration)Now as far as Sade Sati from lagna.......... I never had similar idea. Now after translating Bojan's article I found something about Yogas from Chandra and they are namely Sunapha, Anapha and Duradra. It is there in BPHS 39th chapter. Something about

12th and 2nd bhava from Chandra, benefics, malefics etc. you should know better what to do with this, I am kind of clubsy with this book. I would still stick to Lagna for Kantaka Sani and Chandra for Sade Sati, but I would not scare people with notifing them about years and years of suffering when any of these two start.Your birth data, please! I only remember Rahu on lagna and Sukra in 5th since we spoke about Diamond you are wearing. I am sooooooooooo lazy to explore archive at the moment.Warm regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Sun, 9/6/09, Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> wrote:Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org>Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?sohamsa Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009,

6:43 AM

 

Om Gurave NamahaDear Maja,I quite agree and Sade sati does effect all spheres via the varga charts. In Rasi however it probably effects only the physical self, often its effects are exaggerated. What do you think about Sade sati vis a vis Lagna and not Chandra rasi?Shani in my chart moves to now finishes its 71/2 yr sade sati of Chandra rasi and now begins sade sati with respect to lagna. Interestingly during the 7 1/2 yrs the only effect I felt was of kantaka shani (on 10th house) but eventually that too turned out to be a blessing. I havent really been able to figure out if its been as bad as its made out to be but shani being yogakarak in my chart may have dampened the effects.best wishesSharatOn 6 Sep 2009, at 14:30, Maja Štrbac wrote:Om Gurave NamahDear Raghunatha Rao, namasteYou are correct, Sani Gochar is applicable for Varga charts. For example, Sani is

in Simha Rasi at the moment and if Chandra is placed in Karka, Simha or Kanya in D10, then Sade Sati is currently running for this area of life (career).Of course, it will not be terrible and hard throughout every minute of these 7 and half years. Have this on your mind, please don't bring people in panic by giving them fatalistic predictions based on Sade Sati only. I am not familiar with remedies for Varga charts, but I can write you something more about remedies for Sade Sati counted from Rasi chart in case you can't find them anywhere. Are you familiar with dividing Sade Sati in 3 portions depending on Sani transiting 12th, 1st or 2nd from Janma rasi and interpretation of these 3 portions?Also take dasas in consideration. If there is Sani AD (or any difficult) running, then problems to be related with Sade Sati are

confirmed (I am getting out of my Sade Sati in 4 days, I can confirm you this is correct). Warm Regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Sat, 9/5/09, raon1008 <raon1008 > wrote:raon1008 <raon1008 > Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?sohamsa@ .comSaturday, September 5, 2009, 6:14 PM Om Parameshti Gurave NamahNamaste Guru Ji, Gurus and Learned Members,For some time, I have been systematically watching a pattern of Saturn Sade

Sati effects in other Vargas with some natives who are consulting to me.So, may I request you to please clarify to me, Does our parampara teaches to use Sade Sati Transits into Navamsa, Dasamsa and for that matter any other Vargas?. Second question I have is, how the remedies differ from the Rasi Sade Sati transits.Thank you for your help in advance in clarifying this to me.RegardsRaghunatha Raohttp://www.Prashna- Astrology. com

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hare Rama Krishna

Yes I even thin (not sure maybe I made mistake) that Sanjay didnt recomend Red Coral for Mars as remedie, but Chamakam, 3rd Anuvaka. Maybe somebody who listened Gems workshop, or attented remembers. Hence I hope he will interupt and give his opinion reagrding this. So final question is is it ok to advice red coral or just Chamakam?

Thank you,

hari om tat sat

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--- On Sat, 9/12/09, Sharat Misra <gidoc wrote:

Sharat Misra <gidoc Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?sohamsa Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 7:12 PM

 

 

B

 

 

 

 

 

Om Gurave Namaha

Dear Maja

Just to add to what you gave very adeptly mentioned , chanting the Rudrachamakkam esp the 3 rd verse is very effective during the ' kantaka ' phase of Sade sati.

Best Regards

 

Sharat

 

 

 

Sent from my iPhone 3G

 

On 10 Sep 2009, at 10:15 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Om Gurave NamahDear Raghunatha Rao, namasteHere is small quotation from Bojan's article as (at least some kind of) clarification to both of your questions:"During Saturn’s transit over twelfth Bhava from Chandra one can experience troubles in marriage life, misunderstandings with parents and children, troubles in home life and residential changes. All this together is pointing on strong Vaju tatwa (Air element) and strong Vaju tatwa weakens Akash (or Ether) ruled by Guru. Remedy is to worship Kali Ma (Kali-one of Dash Mahavidyas) with Sani Graha mantra (Om Pram Prim Proum Sah Sanischaraya Namah). Saturn’s transit over Janma Rasi (Chandra placement) can cause bad company, loss of reputation or name, failure in undertakings, dangers… Remedy is to worship Sri Hanuman in addition to the Beeja Mantra of Saturn (Sam Sanischaraya Namah). During transit of Saturn over second Bhava from

Chandra one can expect this to cause financial problems, dangers from Government/State, enmities> Remedy is in worshiping Sri Krishna and also Sani Beeja Mantra*. Timing bad events with taking Sade Sati in consideration is crucial, so we must have in mind that every Dasa and Antar Dasa will not have same effects during Sade Sati. If auspicious Dasa of Surya is running along with Sade Sati, native will not necessarily experience hardships. On the other hand, if Antar Dasa of Sukra starts during Surya Maha Dasa (Sukra is lording debilitation Rasi for Surya) along with transit of Saturn over second Bhava from Chandra (leading in financial problems) it is akin to sunset for Surya and will point to problem."*in "Vedic remedies in Astrology" by Sanjay Rath , author wrote here just "Saturn" instead of "Saturn Beeja Mantra" as it is in this article. If you can find this book (warm recommendation) it is page 171-172. Bojan used this book as one of references for his article, of course. Let's wait a while before he sets complete translation on his website and see if this was just a typo. Then I will add you some examples.Warm regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Sun, 9/6/09, raon1008 <raon1008 (AT) (DOT)

com> wrote:

raon1008 <raon1008 > Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?sohamsa@ .comSunday, September 6, 2009, 6:44 AM

Om Parameshti Gurave NamahNamaste Maja Ji,Thank you for taking time to reply to my query. First of all, I am happy to know that you are getting out of your Sade Sati in 4 days.For some time, I have been systematically watching a pattern of Saturn Sade Sati effects in other Vargas with some natives who are consulting to me.May I request you to please teach me the following:-1) Remedies for Sade Sati counted from Rasi chart.2) Dividing Sade Sati in 3 portions depending on Sani transiting 12th, 1st or 2nd from Janma rasi and interpretation of these 3 portions.If possible, please take an example chart when you write about the above.Again, thank you for your help in advance in clarifying this to me.RegardsRaghunatha Raohttp://www.Prashna- Astrology. comsohamsa@ .com, Maja Ã… trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote:Om Gurave NamahDear Raghunatha Rao, namasteYou are correct, Sani Gochar is applicable for Varga charts. For example, Sani is in Simha Rasi at the moment and if Chandra is placed in Karka, Simha or Kanya in D10, then Sade Sati is currently running for this area of life (career).Of course, it will not be terrible and hard throughout every minute of these 7 and half years. Have this on your mind, please don't bring people in panic by giving them fatalistic predictions based on Sade Sati only.I am not familiar with remedies for Varga charts, but I can write you something more about remedies for Sade Sati counted from Rasi chart in case you can't find them anywhere. Are you familiar with dividing Sade Sati

in 3 portions depending on Sani transiting 12th, 1st or 2nd from Janma rasi and interpretation of these 3 portions?Also take dasas in consideration. If there is Sani AD (or any difficult) running, then problems to be related with Sade Sati are confirmed (I am getting out of my Sade Sati in 4 days, I can confirm you this is correct).Warm Regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat

[Guest guest]

Om Gurave NamahaDear Bojan,I have not come across Red Coral remedy for sade sati unless its a specifc chart. Both Sanjay ji and Visti have mentioned rudrachamakkam, 3rd verse, apart from some other measures. I havent read your article yet but suggest you listen to one of Visti's audio on this.I will shortly also post my experience of having just finished sade sati, maybe Maja can also share some more as she has already done.Best wishesSharatOn 12 Sep 2009, at 18:59, Bojan Vidakovic wrote:

 

 

Hare Rama Krishna

Yes I even thin (not sure maybe I made mistake) that Sanjay didnt recomend Red Coral for Mars as remedie, but Chamakam, 3rd Anuvaka. Maybe somebody who listened Gems workshop, or attented remembers. Hence I hope he will interupt and give his opinion reagrding this. So final question is is it ok to advice red coral or just Chamakam?

Thank you,

hari om tat sat

Bojan Vidakovic

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--- On Sat, 9/12/09, Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> wrote:

Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?sohamsa Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 7:12 PM

 

 

B

 

 

 

 

 

Om Gurave Namaha

Dear Maja

Just to add to what you gave very adeptly mentioned , chanting the Rudrachamakkam esp the 3 rd verse is very effective during the ' kantaka ' phase of Sade sati.

Best Regards

 

Sharat

 

 

 

Sent from my iPhone 3G

 

On 10 Sep 2009, at 10:15 PM, Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Om Gurave NamahDear Raghunatha Rao, namasteHere is small quotation from Bojan's article as (at least some kind of) clarification to both of your questions:"During Saturn’s transit over twelfth Bhava from Chandra one can experience troubles in marriage life, misunderstandings with parents and children, troubles in home life and residential changes. All this together is pointing on strong Vaju tatwa (Air element) and strong Vaju tatwa weakens Akash (or Ether) ruled by Guru. Remedy is to worship Kali Ma (Kali-one of Dash Mahavidyas) with Sani Graha mantra (Om Pram Prim Proum Sah Sanischaraya Namah). Saturn’s transit over Janma Rasi (Chandra placement) can cause bad company, loss of reputation or name, failure in undertakings, dangers… Remedy is to worship Sri Hanuman in addition to the Beeja Mantra of Saturn (Sam Sanischaraya Namah). During transit of Saturn over second Bhava from

Chandra one can expect this to cause financial problems, dangers from Government/State, enmities> Remedy is in worshiping Sri Krishna and also Sani Beeja Mantra*. Timing bad events with taking Sade Sati in consideration is crucial, so we must have in mind that every Dasa and Antar Dasa will not have same effects during Sade Sati. If auspicious Dasa of Surya is running along with Sade Sati, native will not necessarily experience hardships. On the other hand, if Antar Dasa of Sukra starts during Surya Maha Dasa (Sukra is lording debilitation Rasi for Surya) along with transit of Saturn over second Bhava from Chandra (leading in financial problems) it is akin to sunset for Surya and will point to problem."*in "Vedic remedies in Astrology" by Sanjay Rath , author wrote here just "Saturn" instead of "Saturn Beeja Mantra" as it is in this article. If you can find this book (warm recommendation) it is page 171-172. Bojan used this book as one of references for his article, of course. Let's wait a while before he sets complete translation on his website and see if this was just a typo. Then I will add you some examples.Warm regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Sun, 9/6/09, raon1008 <raon1008 (AT) (DOT)

com> wrote:

raon1008 <raon1008 > Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?sohamsa@ .comSunday, September 6, 2009, 6:44 AM

Om Parameshti Gurave NamahNamaste Maja Ji,Thank you for taking time to reply to my query. First of all, I am happy to know that you are getting out of your Sade Sati in 4 days.For some time, I have been systematically watching a pattern of Saturn Sade Sati effects in other Vargas with some natives who are consulting to me.May I request you to please teach me the following:-1) Remedies for Sade Sati counted from Rasi chart.2) Dividing Sade Sati in 3 portions depending on Sani transiting 12th, 1st or 2nd from Janma rasi and interpretation of these 3 portions.If possible, please take an example chart when you write about the above.Again, thank you for your help in advance in clarifying this to me.RegardsRaghunatha Raohttp://www.Prashna- Astrology. comsohamsa@ .com, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote:Om Gurave NamahDear Raghunatha Rao, namasteYou are correct, Sani Gochar is applicable for Varga charts. For example, Sani is in Simha Rasi at the moment and if Chandra is placed in Karka, Simha or Kanya in D10, then Sade Sati is currently running for this area of life (career).Of course, it will not be terrible and hard throughout every minute of these 7 and half years. Have this on your mind, please don't bring people in panic by giving them fatalistic predictions based on Sade Sati only.I am not familiar with remedies for Varga charts, but I can write you something more about remedies for Sade Sati counted from Rasi chart in case you can't find them anywhere. Are you familiar with dividing Sade Sati

in 3 portions depending on Sani transiting 12th, 1st or 2nd from Janma rasi and interpretation of these 3 portions?Also take dasas in consideration. If there is Sani AD (or any difficult) running, then problems to be related with Sade Sati are confirmed (I am getting out of my Sade Sati in 4 days, I can confirm you this is correct).Warm Regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat

[Guest guest]

||Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya. Om Namo Narayanaya||

 

Namaste,

 

Some comments based on my readings on this subject.

 

(1) In Mr. Rayadu's book on Transit effects of planets, it is stated

that Sade Sathi for Moon placed in Dual signs in the Natal chart is

least troublesome. The most troublesome is for Moon placed in movable

signs followed by fixed signs. Of course, this guideline should be

applied after checking relationship between lagna lord / janma Rasi

lord and Saturn.

 

(2) I read in Dr. B. V. Raman's book (My Experiences in Astrology)

that Gochara Saturn has little impact if one is running the Maha Dasa

of Saturn himself.

 

(3) Also if Moon is with AL then Saturn in 12th from Moon (which will

be 12th from AL) is supposed to be excellent if I have inferred

correctly Sanjayji's writings in his book Narayana Dasa (Dasa Pravesh

chapter).

 

Corrections/comments are welcomed.

 

Best regards,

 

Somnath

 

||Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya. Om Namo Narayanaya||

 

On 9/12/09, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary wrote:

> Hare Rama Krishna

> Dear Bojan,

> Very nice piece on Shani, and sadi sati.

> I just wanted to add one point.

> Moon is karaka of mother,childhood, nurturing, sustenance ,etc.

> When a person is born with Saturn in proximity with Moon, then it shows

> stress and related issues with Mother, home,

> etc

> When you think, a baby or young child is 100% dependent on the mother, and

> the surroundings. If Moon (and related karaka) is undergoing some influence

> of Saturn, for sure it affects the baby, or the native as a child.The the

> baby/child mother is everything, no milk, no food, no peace.

>

> these impressions, conditions etc will have a lasting effect on the

> mind-emotions of the person.This also implies health and well being  are

> affected in childhood.

> etc etc

> Best wishes

> Lakshmi

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro

> sohamsa

> Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:13:37 AM

> Re: Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to

> Varga Charts ?

>

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Raghunatha, namaste

>

> I am so glad Bojan and me spared you from Google translator, because I can

> bet that " Monthy Python's Flying Circus " would seem pathetic comparing to

> level of amusement provided by reading this Google Serbian-English

> translation. For illustration: there are seven declensions in Serbian, so...

> I promise it could hardly turn out as at least partially correct.

>

> This bellow is Bojan's article translated by living and breathing human

> beings. Enjoy it!

>

>

> Sade Sati

>

> Qualities of Sani are sorrow, pain, illnesses, ripus/sins. Many times I have

> heard people declaring Sani as highest teacher of all. This statement is

> very incorrect, while on the other hand it is partially correct. Reason why

> it is incorrect lays in fact that among Grahas Guru and Sukra are considered

> to be teachers or Gurus by Maharishi Parashara, Maharishi Jaimini as well as

> other classics. Guru and Sukra are ministers of Planetary Cabinet, while

> Sani is servant. From this we can make a conclusion that Sani simply can’t

> be the highest teacher. On the other hand Sani is Dharmaraj. He asked

> Brihaspati to teach him Dharma Shastra. Brihaspati agreed on this and he

> requested duration of Sade Sati to be reduced as form of dakshina for

> knowledge he gave to Sani. He knew it is impossible to cancel Sade Sati

> completely. From this we can understand that no one is able to avoid effects

> of his own bad karma. Sani’s transits as well as Dasas are always bringing

> effects of our bad karma. From this point of view I can understand why many

> are naming him to be the greatest teacher, but from all above it is clear he

> is not. Sani is very karmic Graha, the slowest planet and farthest from

> Surya. Considering that Brihaspati taught Sani on Dharma Shastra, which is

> knowledge about truth, righteousness etc. Sani will always strive towards

> correcting untruth, but he should not be taken as the truth, honesty etc.

> himself. He will always endeavor to deliver effects of our own bad karma and

> in a way to make us suffer equally as much as we caused others to suffer.

> Guru is supreme truth, supreme knowledge, Karaka for ninth Bhava (also for

> second, fifth and eleventh). Guru is Karaka for Paka Lagna and what is

> purpose of Paka Lagna? It is the very filtration of all our thoughts, good

> and bad intentions because it is Guru who carries memories of many past

> incarnations and, bottom line, being such he knows what is for our own good

> or bad. He is advising us (or Lagna). Question is if we will eventually

> take this advice or not. However the only moment when we consciously change

> our Karma is present time, because we are able to make good or bad decision

> only in present time and to make Karma accordingly to made decision. This is

> the reason why Rishis and wise men advised ones to associate with Sadhus,

> saintly people, Yogis, monks, people who perform some way of self practice.

> Their influence will always be beneficial and naturally supportive. Their

> advises will make it easier for Paka Lagna to convince Lagna to make good

> decision and move towards good. There is significant amount of writings

> about Sade Sati because Saturns transit effects are apparent. Saturns

> transit over twelfth Bhava from Chandra, over Chandra Bhava and second there

> from is forming this Sati. Considering that duration of Sani’s transit over

> one Rasi is approx. two and half years, it is easy to calculate

> entering another 22.5 year cycle after finishing entire 7.5 Sade Sati

> cycle. 1 Rasi =30 months, 9 Rasis x 30 months=270 months/12=22. 5 years.

> However, it is less known that we can observe Sade Sati even in Navamsa (D9)

> same as in Rasi chart (D1). Considering this is the most important

> divisional chart along with Rasi, showing what kind of Bhagya (destined

> luck) on level of Grahas we brought in to this life, reason is apparent.

> Navamsa will show Vishnu’s blessings, their qualities and if we have them.

> One usually goes through three Sade Satis during life time. If we stop for a

> moment and think about it, we will realize that game of Karma is faultless

> and fast. For example, it is known that Chandra is fastest Graha while Sani

> is slowest. Chandra motion over one Rasi is approximately two and half days.

> In case if Chandra is stationed at very end of Rasi, for example Mithuna and

> if it enters Karka in the afternoon, while Sani is stationed at Simha, a

> native born during afternoon will be born in Sade Sati, while native born

> during morning will not. Same thing goes for Chandra placement with Sani

> (when special Yoga is formed) and for Sani placed in second Rasi counted

> from Chandra. If one is born with Chandra Yuti Sani, but Chandra is placed

> on the very end of Rasi, native will enter next Sade Sati at the age of 25

> (approximately) , will remain in second Sade Sati untill the age of 33 and

> enter next Sade Sati at the age of 56 (33+22.5=55/ 56). There is opinion

> that first Sade Sati takes away grandparents, second takes away parents and

> third takes away native. Howewer, in practice we can notice that this

> “first, second and third†refers on first next Sade sati, meaning

somewhere

> around age of 25-30. Ofcourse this rule is not black and white because we

> can’t skip certain longevity decreasing combinations etc. Considering that

> Chandra is very sensitive spot representing our mind and Maharishi

> Parashara described Chandradi Yogas (position of Grahas in second and

> twelfth from Chandra), Sani’s transit should have very bad influence on all

> life areas. Twelfth Bhava from Chandra will show our emotional life, its

> quality, so malefic placement in this Bhava is inauspicious, while benefics

> are auspicious. Second Bhava from Chandra represents out sustenance,

> finances, so malefics in this Bhava are very inauspicious for money, while

> benefics are excellent. In 39th chapter, Maharishi Parashara is describing

> Sunapha, Anapha and Duradara Yogas formed by Grahas placed in 2nd/12th bhava

> from Chandra. He is saying that any Graha (except Surya, because Chandra

> will be weak in that case) placed in these Bhavas is forming one of these

> Yogas or both. Grahas in second Bhava from Chadra are forming Sunapha, in

> twelfth Anapha and Grahas placed in both 2nd and 12th are forming Duradara.

> What is evident at the very entering in Sade Sati is deprivation of

> enthusiasm and happiness. When left alone feeling of emptiness appears,

> like fortune faded away in some strange way and we are on our own and

> lonely. But this is exactly a chance to be alone and think about life, what

> is life, why are we born, what are our potential errors etc. Sani is Vayu

> tatwa (element) and what he wants from us is to let our self go to the

> present state. We can’t fight against windmills, we can’t escape our bad

> karma. What we can do is not to fight, try to remain calm at side and

> observe game of karma. This is not easy and simple but if we know how long

> it will last and try to understand reason why are we going through it right

> now, we can make it easier for us. Variety of its effects is high in range.

> Sani will definitely enter our life and let us know he has arrived, it is

> only matter if we will be opened enough to notice and accept him. Sani

> demands us to live our Karma and by living it to understand ephemerality

> (time,

> Sani), to dedicate to ourselves and start putting effort in own self

> development, to understand what is higher purpose and goal. Only when we are

> fully opened for all possible combinations and changes, for potential losses

> and illnesses, sorrow etc, we will be capable of going through these 7.5

> years in the easiest possible way.  During Saturn’s transit over twelfth

> Bhava from Chandra one can experience troubles in marriage life,

> misunderstandings with parents and children, troubles in home life and

> residential changes. All this together is pointing on strong Vayu tatwa (Air

> element) and strong Vaju tatwa weakens Akash (or Ether) ruled by Guru.

> Remedy is to worship Kali Ma (Kali-one of ten Mahavidyas) with Sani Graha

> mantra (Om Pram Prim Proum Sah Sanischaraya Namah). Saturn’s transit over

> Janma Rasi (Chandra placement) can cause bad company, loss of reputation or

> name, failure in undertakings, dangers… Remedy is to worship Sri Hanuman in

> addition to the Beeja Mantra of Saturn (Sam Sanischaraya Namah). During

> transit of Saturn over second Bhava from Chandra one can expect this to

> cause financial problems, dangers from Government/State, enmities> Remedy is

> in worshiping Sri Krishna and also Sani Beeja Mantra. Timing bad events with

> taking Sade Sati in consideration is crucial, so we must have in mind that

> every Dasa and Antar Dasa will not have same effects during Sade Sati. If

> auspicious Dasa of Surya is running along with Sade Sati, native will not

> necessarily experience hardships. On the other hand, if Antar Dasa of Sukra

> starts during Surya Maha Dasa (Sukra is lording debilitation Rasi for Surya)

> along with transit of Saturn over second Bhava from Chandra (leading in

> financial problems) it is akin to sunset for Surya and will point to

> problem. We can notice that this as well as other aspects of Jyotish, very

> complex and requires detailed analysis. Keeping in mind what is Sani

> representing and what is his role is definitely a must in this analysis.

> Mahamritunjaya Mantra is always a good solution, especially when it comes to

> health issues. Many of those who learn Jyotish have noticed significant

> number of marriages occurred during Sade Sati, significant number of

> residential changes etc. This is still an opened subject for further

> exploring and research. Take observation on 20-30 charts of people you know

> well and try to find similarities. You can learn and remember only through

> practice. Devata for Saturn is Brahma, however in Shiva Mahapurana we can

> find that Brahma lied to Vishnu that He had reached the top of Lingam (Shiva

> itself is embodied in it) so He could win over more worshipers and make

> offerings to Him. Of course, Shiva was aware of this and manifested in front

> of both Vishnu and Brahma. As punishment He cut off one of Brahmas five

> heads and cursed Him for his lie not to be worshiped ever again or to take

> offers.

> Brahma was satisfied with this punishment, considering that Bhairava

> (created from Shiva’s eyebrows) did not kill Him (Vishnu asked Shiva to

> spare Brahma). Instead of Brahma Narayana is to be worshiped. Final instance

> is Shiva, who is highest teacher and removes ripus (sins). By applying

> Mantra we are protecting our mind (Mana is mind, tray is protection, so

> Mantra is protection of mind).

> Another very good remedy is to wear gems. What is happening during Sade Sati

> is that Sani (vayu tatva) is strong and cooling the body (hence giving

> illness). There are two planets which are warming up our body and those two

> are Mars or Venus. For every lagna either Ma or Sk will be beneficial in

> this matter. So when we take mesa, Mars is lagna lord and hence more

> beneficial (Sk is marakesh), for vrishaba it is Venus, for maithuna it is

> Venus is 5th lord, hence more beneficial, for karka Mars is yoga karaka,

> like this we should see all ascendants and give remedie. Gem for Venus is

> diamond and for Mars it is red coral. Diamonds should be worn in white gold

> and red coral in yellow gold, both on right hand ring finger.

> Wish you all the best and lot of knowledge and growth.

>

> HARI OM TAT SAT

>

>

>

>

>

> --- On Thu, 9/10/09, raon1008 <raon1008 > wrote:

>

>

>>raon1008 <raon1008 >

>> Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga

>> Charts ?

>>sohamsa@ .com

>>Thursday, September 10, 2009, 6:43 PM

>>

>>

>>

>>Om Parameshti Gurave Namah

>>

>>Namaste Maja

>>

>>An excellent snippet of the article translation. Please provide me the link

>> to the original article, I will see if Google can translate to English for

>> me, which may save some of your time for translating for us.

>>

>>Thanks for taking time to reply to my questions.

>>

>>Regards

>>Raghunatha Rao

>>http://www.Prashna- Astrology. com

>>

>>sohamsa@ .com, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote:

>>>

>>> Om Gurave Namah

>>>

>>> Dear Raghunatha Rao, namaste

>>>

>>> Here is small quotation from Bojan's article as (at least some kind of)

>>> clarification to both of your questions:

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> " During Saturn’s transit over twelfth Bhava from

>>> Chandra one can experience troubles in marriage life, misunderstandings

>>> with

>>> parents and children, troubles in home life and residential changes. All

>>> this

>>> together is pointing on strong Vaju tatwa (Air element) and strong Vaju

>>> tatwa

>>> weakens Akash (or Ether) ruled by Guru. Remedy is to worship Kali Ma

>>> (Kali-one

>>> of Dash Mahavidyas) with Sani Graha mantra (Om Pram Prim Proum Sah

>>> Sanischaraya

>>> Namah). Saturn’s transit over Janma Rasi (Chandra placement) can

cause

>>> bad

>>> company, loss of reputation or name, failure in undertakings, dangers…

>>> Remedy is

>>> to worship Sri Hanuman in addition to the Beeja Mantra of Saturn (Sam

>>> Sanischaraya Namah). During transit of Saturn over second Bhava from

>>> Chandra

>>> one can expect this to cause financial problems, dangers from

>>> Government/State,

>>> enmities> Remedy is in worshiping Sri Krishna and also Sani Beeja

>>> Mantra*.

>>> Timing bad events with taking Sade Sati in consideration is crucial, so

>>> we must

>>> have in mind that every Dasa and Antar Dasa will not have same effects

>>> during

>>> Sade Sati. If auspicious Dasa of Surya is running along with Sade Sati,

>>> native

>>> will not necessarily experience hardships. On the other hand, if Antar

>>> Dasa of

>>> Sukra starts during Surya Maha Dasa (Sukra is lording debilitation Rasi

>>> for

>>> Surya) along with transit of Saturn over second Bhava from Chandra

>>> (leading in

>>> financial problems) it is akin to sunset for Surya and will point to

>>> problem. "

>>>

>>> *in " Vedic remedies in Astrology " by Sanjay Rath, author wrote here just

>>> " Saturn " instead of " Saturn Beeja Mantra " as it is in this article. If

>>> you can find this book (warm recommendation) it is page 171-172. Bojan

>>> used this book as one of references for his article, of course. Let's

>>> wait a while before he sets complete translation on his website and see

>>> if this was just a typo. Then I will add you some examples.

>>>

>>> Warm regards,

>>> Maja Strbac

>>>

>>> Hari Om Tat Sat

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> --- On Sun, 9/6/09, raon1008 <raon1008@.. .> wrote:

>>>

>>> raon1008 <raon1008@.. .>

>>> Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to

>>> Varga Charts ?

>>> sohamsa@ .com

>>> Sunday, September 6, 2009, 6:44 AM

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Â

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Om Parameshti Gurave Namah

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Namaste Maja Ji,

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Thank you for taking time to reply to my query. First of all, I am happy

>>> to know that you are getting out of your Sade Sati in 4 days.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> For some time, I have been systematically watching a pattern of Saturn

>>> Sade Sati effects in other Vargas with some natives who are consulting to

>>> me.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> May I request you to please teach me the following:-

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> 1) Remedies for Sade Sati counted from Rasi chart.

>>>

>>> 2) Dividing Sade Sati in 3 portions depending on Sani transiting 12th,

>>> 1st or 2nd from Janma rasi and interpretation of these 3 portions.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> If possible, please take an example chart when you write about the above.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Again, thank you for your help in advance in clarifying this to me.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Regards

>>>

>>> Raghunatha Rao

>>>

>>> http://www.Prashna- Astrology. com

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> sohamsa@ .com, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...>

>>> wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Om Gurave Namah

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Dear Raghunatha Rao, namaste

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> You are correct, Sani Gochar is applicable for Varga charts. For example,

>>> Sani is in Simha Rasi at the moment and if Chandra is placed in Karka,

>>> Simha or Kanya in D10, then Sade Sati is currently running for this area

>>> of life (career).

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Of course, it will not be terrible and hard throughout every minute of

>>> these 7 and half years. Have this on your mind, please don't bring people

>>> in panic by giving them fatalistic predictions based on Sade Sati only.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I am not familiar with remedies for Varga charts, but I can write you

>>> something more about remedies for Sade Sati counted from Rasi chart in

>>> case you can't find them anywhere.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Are you familiar with dividing Sade Sati in 3 portions depending on Sani

>>> transiting 12th, 1st or 2nd from Janma rasi and interpretation of these 3

>>> portions?

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Also take dasas in consideration. If there is Sani AD (or any difficult)

>>> running, then problems to be related with Sade Sati are confirmed (I am

>>> getting out of my Sade Sati in 4 days, I can confirm you this is

>>> correct).

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Warm Regards,

>>>

>>> Maja Strbac

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Hari Om Tat Sat

>>>

>>

>>

>

>

 

--

Sent from my mobile device

[Guest guest]

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Bojan,

Yes. Keep writing , that was nice article

Alot depends on the house saturn resides, as well as the sign he is in. So not the same for everyone.

Saturn is cold. dry, many significations, he is not good for moon,

and degree of afflications depends on many other factors.

Best wishes

Lakshmi

 

 

 

Bojan Vidakovic <janbovidsohamsa Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:09:26 AMRe: Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?

 

 

 

 

 

Hare Rama KrishnaDear Lakshmi thank you.

Yes, yuti Sa and Ch can bring problems and melancholy, but some food restrictions, problems with mother etc I have not seen. But what I saw from my excperience is that for example in my case I had all I needed, but we moved to another town

My daughter is born during sade sati (SA CH) in yuti - and we also moved during that time to another town, excepting this fact nothing was problematic (on contrary everything was great with Mother, brestfeeding, nurishing, and perfect health).

So we should take examples and see why and when some issue occured.

I also prepared small table to show what happened in various carts during this 3 parts of 7,5 years...

Soon it will be in english also I believe.

Other people can share their excperiences and it would be very nice for all of us.

Best wishes, Bojan

hari om tat sat

Bojan Vidakovic

Ucitelj djotisha i djotish konsultantza clanke i konsultacije pogledajte:

http://www.jataveda s.com

 

--- On Sat, 9/12/09, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote:

Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ >Re: Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?sohamsa@ .comSaturday, September 12, 2009, 5:50 PM

 

 

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Bojan,

Very nice piece on Shani, and sadi sati.

I just wanted to add one point.

Moon is karaka of mother,childhood, nurturing, sustenance ,etc.

When a person is born with Saturn in proximity with Moon, then it shows stress and related issues with Mother, home,

etc

When you think, a baby or young child is 100% dependent on the mother, and the surroundings. If Moon (and related karaka) is undergoing some influence of Saturn, for sure it affects the baby, or the native as a child.The the baby/child mother is everything, no milk, no food, no peace.

 

these impressions, conditions etc will have a lasting effect on the mind-emotions of the person.This also implies health and well being are affected in childhood.

etc etc

Best wishes

Lakshmi

 

 

 

Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ >sohamsa@ .comSaturday, September 12, 2009 8:13:37 AMRe: Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?

 

 

 

 

Om Gurave NamahDear Raghunatha, namasteI am so glad Bojan and me spared you from Google translator, because I can bet that "Monthy Python's Flying Circus" would seem pathetic comparing to level of amusement provided by reading this Google Serbian-English translation. For illustration: there are seven declensions in Serbian, so... I promise it could hardly turn out as at least partially correct.This bellow is Bojan's article translated by living and breathing human beings. Enjoy it!

Sade Sati

 

 

 

Qualities of Sani are sorrow, pain, illnesses, ripus/sins. Many times I have heard people declaring Sani as highest teacher of all. This statement is very incorrect, while on the other hand it is partially correct. Reason why it is incorrect lays in fact that among Grahas Guru and Sukra are considered to be teachers or Gurus by Maharishi Parashara, Maharishi Jaimini as well as other classics. Guru and Sukra are ministers of Planetary Cabinet, while Sani is servant. From this we can make a conclusion that Sani simply can’t be the highest teacher. On the other hand Sani is Dharmaraj. He asked Brihaspati to teach him Dharma Shastra. Brihaspati agreed on this and he requested duration of Sade Sati to be reduced as form of dakshina for knowledge he gave to Sani.. He knew it is impossible to cancel Sade Sati completely. From this we can understand that no one is able to avoid effects of his own bad karma.

Sani’s transits as well as Dasas are always bringing effects of our bad karma. From this point of view I can understand why many are naming him to be the greatest teacher, but from all above it is clear he is not. Sani is very karmic Graha, the slowest planet and farthest from Surya. Considering that Brihaspati taught Sani on Dharma Shastra, which is knowledge about truth, righteousness etc. Sani will always strive towards correcting untruth, but he should not be taken as the truth, honesty etc. himself. He will always endeavor to deliver effects of our own bad karma and in a way to make us suffer equally as much as we caused others to suffer. Guru is supreme truth, supreme knowledge, Karaka for ninth Bhava (also for second, fifth and eleventh). Guru is Karaka for Paka Lagna and what is purpose of Paka Lagna? It is the very filtration of all our thoughts, good and bad intentions because it is Guru who carries memories of many past incarnations and,

bottom line, being such he knows what is for our own good or bad. He is advising us (or Lagna). Question is if we will eventually take this advice or not. However the only moment when we consciously change our Karma is present time, because we are able to make good or bad decision only in present time and to make Karma accordingly to made decision. This is the reason why Rishis and wise men advised ones to associate with Sadhus, saintly people, Yogis, monks, people who perform some way of self practice. Their influence will always be beneficial and naturally supportive. Their advises will make it easier for Paka Lagna to convince Lagna to make good decision and move towards good. There is significant amount of writings about Sade Sati because Saturns transit effects are apparent. Saturns transit over twelfth Bhava from Chandra, over Chandra Bhava and second there from is forming this Sati. Considering that duration of Sani’s transit over one Rasi is

approx. two and half years, it is easy to calculate entering another 22.5 year cycle after finishing entire 7.5 Sade Sati cycle. 1 Rasi =30 months, 9 Rasis x 30 months=270 months/12=22. 5 years. However, it is less known that we can observe Sade Sati even in Navamsa (D9) same as in Rasi chart (D1). Considering this is the most important divisional chart along with Rasi, showing what kind of Bhagya (destined luck) on level of Grahas we brought in to this life, reason is apparent. Navamsa will show Vishnu’s blessings, their qualities and if we have them. One usually goes through three Sade Satis during life time. If we stop for a moment and think about it, we will realize that game of Karma is faultless and fast. For example, it is known that Chandra is fastest Graha while Sani is slowest. Chandra motion over one Rasi is approximately two and half days. In case if Chandra is stationed at very end of Rasi, for example Mithuna and if it enters Karka in

the afternoon, while Sani is stationed at Simha, a native born during afternoon will be born in Sade Sati, while native born during morning will not. Same thing goes for Chandra placement with Sani (when special Yoga is formed) and for Sani placed in second Rasi counted from Chandra. If one is born with Chandra Yuti Sani, but Chandra is placed on the very end of Rasi, native will enter next Sade Sati at the age of 25 (approximately) , will remain in second Sade Sati untill the age of 33 and enter next Sade Sati at the age of 56 (33+22.5=55/ 56). There is opinion that first Sade Sati takes away grandparents, second takes away parents and third takes away native. Howewer, in practice we can notice that this “first, second and third†refers on first next Sade sati, meaning somewhere around age of 25-30. Ofcourse this rule is not black and white because we can’t skip certain longevity decreasing combinations etc. Considering that Chandra is very

sensitive spot representing our mind and Maharishi Parashara described Chandradi Yogas (position of Grahas in second and twelfth from Chandra), Sani’s transit should have very bad influence on all life areas. Twelfth Bhava from Chandra will show our emotional life, its quality, so malefic placement in this Bhava is inauspicious, while benefics are auspicious. Second Bhava from Chandra represents out sustenance, finances, so malefics in this Bhava are very inauspicious for money, while benefics are excellent. In 39th chapter, Maharishi Parashara is describing Sunapha, Anapha and Duradara Yogas formed by Grahas placed in 2nd/12th bhava from Chandra. He is saying that any Graha (except Surya, because Chandra will be weak in that case) placed in these Bhavas is forming one of these Yogas or both. Grahas in second Bhava from Chadra are forming Sunapha, in twelfth Anapha and Grahas placed in both 2nd and

12th are forming Duradara. What is evident at the very entering in Sade Sati is deprivation of enthusiasm and happiness. When left alone feeling of emptiness appears, like fortune faded away in some strange way and we are on our own and lonely. But this is exactly a chance to be alone and think about life, what is life, why are we born, what are our potential errors etc. Sani is Vayu tatwa (element) and what he wants from us is to let our self go to the present state. We can’t fight against windmills, we can’t escape our bad karma. What we can do is not to fight, try to remain calm at side and observe game of karma. This is not easy and simple but if we know how long it will last and try to understand reason why are we going through it right now, we can make it easier for us. Variety of its effects is high in range. Sani will definitely enter our life and let us know he has arrived, it is only matter if we will be opened enough to notice

and accept him. Sani demands us to live our Karma and by living it to understand ephemerality (time, Sani), to dedicate to ourselves and start putting effort in own self development, to understand what is higher purpose and goal. Only when we are fully opened for all possible combinations and changes, for potential losses and illnesses, sorrow etc, we will be capable of going through these 7.5 years in the easiest possible way. During Saturn’s transit over twelfth Bhava from Chandra one can experience troubles in marriage life, misunderstandings with parents and children, troubles in home life and residential changes. All this together is pointing on strong Vayu tatwa (Air element) and strong Vaju tatwa weakens Akash (or Ether) ruled by Guru. Remedy is to worship Kali Ma (Kali-one of ten Mahavidyas) with Sani Graha mantra (Om Pram Prim Proum Sah Sanischaraya Namah). Saturn’s transit over Janma Rasi (Chandra placement) can cause

bad company, loss of reputation or name, failure in undertakings, dangers… Remedy is to worship Sri Hanuman in addition to the Beeja Mantra of Saturn (Sam Sanischaraya Namah). During transit of Saturn over second Bhava from Chandra one can expect this to cause financial problems, dangers from Government/State, enmities> Remedy is in worshiping Sri Krishna and also Sani Beeja Mantra. Timing bad events with taking Sade Sati in consideration is crucial, so we must have in mind that every Dasa and Antar Dasa will not have same effects during Sade Sati. If auspicious Dasa of Surya is running along with Sade Sati, native will not necessarily experience hardships. On the other hand, if Antar Dasa of Sukra starts during Surya Maha Dasa (Sukra is lording debilitation Rasi for Surya) along with transit of Saturn over second Bhava from Chandra (leading in financial problems) it is akin to sunset for Surya and will point to problem. We can notice that this as

well as other aspects of Jyotish, very complex and requires detailed analysis. Keeping in mind what is Sani representing and what is his role is definitely a must in this analysis. Mahamritunjaya Mantra is always a good solution, especially when it comes to health issues. Many of those who learn Jyotish have noticed significant number of marriages occurred during Sade Sati, significant number of residential changes etc. This is still an opened subject for further exploring and research. Take observation on 20-30 charts of people you know well and try to find similarities. You can learn and remember only through practice. Devata for Saturn is Brahma, however in Shiva Mahapurana we can find that Brahma lied to Vishnu that He had reached the top of Lingam (Shiva itself is embodied in it) so He could win over more worshipers and make offerings to Him. Of course, Shiva was aware of this and manifested in front of both Vishnu and Brahma. As punishment He cut

off one of Brahmas five heads and cursed Him for his lie not to be worshiped ever again or to take offers. Brahma was satisfied with this punishment, considering that Bhairava (created from Shiva’s eyebrows) did not kill Him (Vishnu asked Shiva to spare Brahma). Instead of Brahma Narayana is to be worshiped. Final instance is Shiva, who is highest teacher and removes ripus (sins). By applying Mantra we are protecting our mind (Mana is mind, tray is protection, so Mantra is protection of mind).

 

Another very good remedy is to wear gems. What is happening during Sade Sati is that Sani (vayu tatva) is strong and cooling the body (hence giving illness). There are two planets which are warming up our body and those two are Mars or Venus. For every lagna either Ma or Sk will be beneficial in this matter. So when we take mesa, Mars is lagna lord and hence more beneficial (Sk is marakesh), for vrishaba it is Venus, for maithuna it is Venus is 5th lord, hence more beneficial, for karka Mars is yoga karaka, like this we should see all ascendants and give remedie. Gem for Venus is diamond and for Mars it is red coral. Diamonds should be worn in white gold and red coral in yellow gold, both on right hand ring finger.

 

Wish you all the best and lot of knowledge and growth.

 

 

 

HARI OM TAT SAT

 

 

 

--- On Thu, 9/10/09, raon1008 <raon1008 > wrote:

raon1008 <raon1008 > Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?sohamsa@ .comThursday, September 10, 2009, 6:43 PM

Om Parameshti Gurave NamahNamaste MajaAn excellent snippet of the article translation. Please provide me the link to the original article, I will see if Google can translate to English for me, which may save some of your time for translating for us.Thanks for taking time to reply to my questions.RegardsRaghunatha Raohttp://www.. Prashna- Astrology. comsohamsa@ .com, Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote:>> Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Raghunatha Rao, namaste> > Here is small quotation from Bojan's article as (at least some kind of) clarification to both of your questions:> > > > "During Saturn’s transit over twelfth Bhava from> Chandra one can experience troubles in marriage life, misunderstandings

with> parents and children, troubles in home life and residential changes. All this> together is pointing on strong Vaju tatwa (Air element) and strong Vaju tatwa> weakens Akash (or Ether) ruled by Guru. Remedy is to worship Kali Ma (Kali-one> of Dash Mahavidyas) with Sani Graha mantra (Om Pram Prim Proum Sah Sanischaraya> Namah). Saturn’s transit over Janma Rasi (Chandra placement) can cause bad> company, loss of reputation or name, failure in undertakings, dangers… Remedy is> to worship Sri Hanuman in addition to the Beeja Mantra of Saturn (Sam> Sanischaraya Namah). During transit of Saturn over second Bhava from Chandra> one can expect this to cause financial problems, dangers from Government/State,> enmities> Remedy is in worshiping Sri Krishna and also Sani Beeja Mantra*.> Timing bad events with taking Sade Sati in consideration is crucial, so we

must> have in mind that every Dasa and Antar Dasa will not have same effects during> Sade Sati. If auspicious Dasa of Surya is running along with Sade Sati, native> will not necessarily experience hardships. On the other hand, if Antar Dasa of> Sukra starts during Surya Maha Dasa (Sukra is lording debilitation Rasi for> Surya) along with transit of Saturn over second Bhava from Chandra (leading in> financial problems) it is akin to sunset for Surya and will point to problem."> > *in "Vedic remedies in Astrology" by Sanjay Rath , author wrote here just "Saturn" instead of "Saturn Beeja Mantra" as it is in this article. If you can find this book (warm recommendation) it is page 171-172. Bojan used this book as one of references for his article, of course. Let's wait a while before he sets complete translation on his website and see if this was just a typo. Then I will add

you some examples.> > Warm regards,> Maja Strbac> > Hari Om Tat Sat> > > > --- On Sun, 9/6/09, raon1008 <raon1008@.. .> wrote:> > raon1008 <raon1008@.. .>> Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?> sohamsa@ .com> Sunday, September 6, 2009, 6:44 AM> > > > > > > Â > > > > > > Om Parameshti Gurave Namah> > > > Namaste Maja Ji,> > > > Thank you for taking time to reply to my query. First of all, I am happy to know that you are getting out of your Sade Sati in 4 days.> > > > For some time, I have been systematically watching a pattern of Saturn Sade Sati effects in other Vargas with

some natives who are consulting to me.> > > > May I request you to please teach me the following:-> > > > 1) Remedies for Sade Sati counted from Rasi chart.> > 2) Dividing Sade Sati in 3 portions depending on Sani transiting 12th, 1st or 2nd from Janma rasi and interpretation of these 3 portions.> > > > If possible, please take an example chart when you write about the above.> > > > Again, thank you for your help in advance in clarifying this to me.> > > > Regards> > Raghunatha Rao> > http://www.Prashna- Astrology. com> > > > sohamsa@ .com, Maja Ã…Â trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote:> > > > Om Gurave Namah> >

> > Dear Raghunatha Rao, namaste> > > > You are correct, Sani Gochar is applicable for Varga charts. For example, Sani is in Simha Rasi at the moment and if Chandra is placed in Karka, Simha or Kanya in D10, then Sade Sati is currently running for this area of life (career).> > > > Of course, it will not be terrible and hard throughout every minute of these 7 and half years. Have this on your mind, please don't bring people in panic by giving them fatalistic predictions based on Sade Sati only.> > > > I am not familiar with remedies for Varga charts, but I can write you something more about remedies for Sade Sati counted from Rasi chart in case you can't find them anywhere. > > > > Are you familiar with dividing Sade Sati in 3 portions depending on Sani transiting 12th, 1st or 2nd from Janma rasi and interpretation of these 3

portions?> > > > Also take dasas in consideration. If there is Sani AD (or any difficult) running, then problems to be related with Sade Sati are confirmed (I am getting out of my Sade Sati in 4 days, I can confirm you this is correct).> > > > Warm Regards,> > Maja Strbac> > > > Hari Om Tat Sat>

[Guest guest]

Om Parameshti Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Maja,

 

Thank you much for taking time to translating Bojan Ji's article and send it to

us. I have not read that in detail, but surely I will do that soon.

 

Thanks again.

 

Regards

Raghunatha Rao

http://www.Prashna-Astrology.com

 

 

sohamsa , Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Raghunatha, namaste

>

> I am so glad Bojan and me spared you from Google translator, because I can bet

that " Monthy Python's Flying Circus " would seem pathetic comparing to level of

amusement provided by reading this Google Serbian-English translation. For

illustration: there are seven declensions in Serbian, so... I promise it could

hardly turn out as at least partially correct.

>

> This bellow is Bojan's article translated by living and breathing human

beings. Enjoy it!

>

>

>

>

>

> Sade Sati

>

>  

>

> Qualities of Sani are sorrow,

> pain, illnesses, ripus/sins. Many times I have heard people declaring Sani as

> highest teacher of all. This statement is very incorrect, while on the other

> hand it is partially correct. Reason why it is incorrect lays in fact that

> among Grahas Guru and Sukra are considered to be teachers or Gurus by

Maharishi

> Parashara, Maharishi Jaimini as well as other classics. Guru and Sukra are

> ministers of Planetary Cabinet, while Sani is servant. From this we can make a

> conclusion that Sani simply can’t be the highest teacher. On the other hand

> Sani is Dharmaraj. He asked Brihaspati to teach him Dharma Shastra. Brihaspati

> agreed on this and he requested duration of Sade Sati to be reduced as form of

> dakshina for knowledge he gave to Sani. He knew it is impossible to cancel

Sade

> Sati completely. From this we can understand that no one is able to avoid

effects

> of his own bad karma. Sani’s transits as well as Dasas are always bringing

> effects of our bad karma. From this point of view I can understand why many

are

> naming him to be the greatest teacher, but from all above it is clear he is

> not. Sani is very karmic Graha, the slowest planet and farthest from Surya.

> Considering that Brihaspati taught Sani on Dharma Shastra, which is knowledge

> about truth, righteousness etc. Sani will always strive towards correcting

> untruth, but he should not be taken as the truth, honesty etc. himself. He

will

> always endeavor to deliver effects of our own bad karma and in a way to make

us

> suffer equally as much as we caused others to suffer. Guru is supreme truth,

> supreme knowledge, Karaka for ninth Bhava (also for second, fifth and

> eleventh). Guru is Karaka for Paka Lagna and what is purpose of Paka Lagna? It

is

> the very filtration of all our thoughts, good and bad intentions because it is

> Guru who carries memories of many past incarnations and, bottom line, being

> such he knows what is for our own good or bad. He is advising us (or Lagna).

> Question is if we will eventually take this advice or not. However the only

> moment when we consciously change our Karma is present time, because we are

> able to make good or bad decision only in present time and to make Karma

> accordingly to made decision. This is the reason why Rishis and wise men

> advised ones to associate with Sadhus, saintly people, Yogis, monks, people

who

> perform some way of self practice. Their influence will always be beneficial

> and naturally supportive. Their advises will make it easier for Paka Lagna to

> convince Lagna to make good decision and move towards good. There is

> significant amount of writings about Sade Sati because Saturns transit effects

> are apparent. Saturns transit over twelfth Bhava from Chandra, over Chandra

> Bhava and second there from is forming this Sati. Considering that duration of

> Sani’s transit over one Rasi is approx. two and half years, it is easy to

> calculate entering another 22.5 year cycle after finishing entire 7.5 Sade

Sati

> cycle. 1 Rasi =30 months, 9 Rasis x 30 months=270 months/12=22.5 years.

> However, it is less known that we can observe Sade Sati even in Navamsa (D9)

> same as in Rasi chart (D1). Considering this is the most important divisional

> chart along with Rasi, showing what kind of Bhagya (destined luck) on level of

> Grahas we brought in to this life, reason is apparent. Navamsa will show

> Vishnu’s blessings, their qualities and if we have them. One usually goes

> through three Sade Satis during life time. If we stop for a moment and think

> about it, we will realize that game of Karma is faultless and fast. For

> example, it is known that Chandra is fastest Graha while Sani is slowest.

> Chandra motion over one Rasi is approximately two and half days. In case if

> Chandra is stationed at very end of Rasi, for example Mithuna and if it enters

> Karka in the afternoon, while Sani is stationed at Simha, a native born during

> afternoon will be born in Sade Sati, while native born during morning will

not.

> Same thing goes for Chandra placement with Sani (when special Yoga is formed)

> and for Sani placed in second Rasi counted from Chandra. If one is born with

> Chandra Yuti Sani, but Chandra is placed on the very end of Rasi, native will

> enter next Sade Sati at the age of 25 (approximately), will remain in second

> Sade Sati untill the age of 33 and enter next Sade Sati at the age of 56

> (33+22.5=55/56). There is opinion that first Sade Sati takes away

grandparents,

> second takes away parents and third takes away native. Howewer, in practice we

> can notice that this “first, second and third†refers on first next Sade

sati,

> meaning somewhere around age of 25-30. Ofcourse this rule is not black and

> white because we can’t skip certain longevity decreasing combinations etc.

> Considering that Chandra is very sensitive spot representing our mind and

> Maharishi Parashara described Chandradi Yogas (position of Grahas in second

and

> twelfth from Chandra), Sani’s transit should have very bad influence on all

> life areas. Twelfth Bhava from Chandra will show our emotional life, its

> quality, so malefic placement in this Bhava is inauspicious, while benefics

are

> auspicious. Second Bhava from Chandra represents out sustenance, finances, so

> malefics in this Bhava are very inauspicious for money, while benefics are

> excellent. In 39th chapter, Maharishi Parashara is describing

> Sunapha, Anapha and Duradara Yogas formed by Grahas placed in 2nd/12th

> bhava from Chandra. He is saying that any Graha (except Surya, because Chandra

> will be weak in that case) placed in these Bhavas is forming one of these

Yogas

> or both. Grahas in second Bhava from Chadra are forming Sunapha, in twelfth

> Anapha and Grahas placed in both 2nd and 12th are forming

> Duradara. What is evident at the very entering in Sade Sati is deprivation of

> enthusiasm and happiness. When left alone feeling of emptiness appears, like

> fortune faded away in some strange way and we are on our own and lonely. But

> this is exactly a chance to be alone and think about life, what is life, why

> are we born, what are our potential errors etc. Sani is Vayu tatwa (element)

and

> what he wants from us is to let our self go to the present state. We can’t

> fight against windmills, we can’t escape our bad karma. What we can do is

not

> to fight, try to remain calm at side and observe game of karma. This is not

> easy and simple but if we know how long it will last and try to understand

> reason why are we going through it right now, we can make it easier for us.

Variety

> of its effects is high in range. Sani will definitely enter our life and let

us

> know he has arrived, it is only matter if we will be opened enough to notice

> and accept him. Sani demands us to live our Karma and by living it to

> understand ephemerality (time, Sani), to dedicate to ourselves and start

> putting effort in own self development, to understand what is higher purpose

> and goal. Only when we are fully opened for all possible combinations and

> changes, for potential losses and illnesses, sorrow etc, we will be capable of

> going through these 7.5 years in the easiest possible way.  During Saturn’s

transit over twelfth Bhava

> from Chandra one can experience troubles in marriage life, misunderstandings

> with parents and children, troubles in home life and residential changes. All

> this together is pointing on strong Vayu tatwa (Air element) and strong Vaju

> tatwa weakens Akash (or Ether) ruled by Guru. Remedy is to worship Kali Ma

> (Kali-one of ten Mahavidyas) with Sani Graha mantra (Om Pram Prim Proum Sah

> Sanischaraya Namah). Saturn’s transit over Janma Rasi (Chandra placement)

can

> cause bad company, loss of reputation or name, failure in undertakings,

> dangers… Remedy is to worship Sri Hanuman in addition to the Beeja Mantra of

> Saturn (Sam Sanischaraya Namah). During transit of Saturn over second Bhava

> from Chandra one can expect this to cause financial problems, dangers from

> Government/State, enmities> Remedy is in worshiping Sri Krishna and also

> Sani Beeja Mantra. Timing bad events with taking Sade Sati in consideration is

> crucial, so we must have in mind that every Dasa and Antar Dasa will not have

> same effects during Sade Sati. If auspicious Dasa of Surya is running along

> with Sade Sati, native will not necessarily experience hardships. On the other

> hand, if Antar Dasa of Sukra starts during Surya Maha Dasa (Sukra is lording

> debilitation Rasi for Surya) along with transit of Saturn over second Bhava

> from Chandra (leading in financial problems) it is akin to sunset for Surya

and

> will point to problem. We can notice that this as well as other aspects of

> Jyotish, very complex and requires detailed analysis. Keeping in mind what is

> Sani representing and what is his role is definitely a must in this analysis.

> Mahamritunjaya Mantra is always a good solution, especially when it comes to

> health issues. Many of those who learn Jyotish have noticed significant number

> of marriages occurred during Sade Sati, significant number of residential

> changes etc. This is still an opened subject for further exploring and

> research. Take observation on 20-30 charts of people you know well and try to

> find similarities. You can learn and remember only through practice. Devata

for

> Saturn is Brahma, however in Shiva Mahapurana we can find that Brahma lied to

> Vishnu that He had reached the top of Lingam (Shiva itself is embodied in it)

> so He could win over more worshipers and make offerings to Him. Of course,

> Shiva was aware of this and manifested in front of both Vishnu and Brahma. As

> punishment He cut off one of Brahmas five heads and cursed Him for his lie not

> to be worshiped ever again or to take offers. Brahma was satisfied with this

> punishment, considering that Bhairava (created from Shiva’s eyebrows) did

not

> kill Him (Vishnu asked Shiva to spare Brahma). Instead of Brahma Narayana is

to

> be worshiped. Final instance is Shiva, who is highest teacher and removes

ripus

> (sins). By applying Mantra we are protecting our mind (Mana is mind, tray is

> protection, so Mantra is protection of mind).

>

> Another very good remedy is to

> wear gems. What is happening during Sade Sati is that Sani (vayu tatva) is

> strong and cooling the body (hence giving illness). There are two planets

which

> are warming up our body and those two are Mars or Venus. For every lagna

either

> Ma or Sk will be beneficial in this matter. So when we take mesa, Mars is

lagna

> lord and hence more beneficial (Sk is marakesh), for vrishaba it is Venus, for

> maithuna it is Venus is 5th lord, hence more beneficial, for karka

> Mars is yoga karaka, like this we should see all ascendants and give remedie.

> Gem for Venus is diamond and for Mars it is red coral. Diamonds should be worn

> in white gold and red coral in yellow gold, both on right hand ring finger.

>

> Wish you all the best and lot of

> knowledge and growth.

>

>  

>

> HARI OM TAT SAT

>

>  

>

>  

>

>

>

>

>

> --- On Thu, 9/10/09, raon1008 <raon1008 wrote:

>

> raon1008 <raon1008

> Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga

Charts ?

> sohamsa

> Thursday, September 10, 2009, 6:43 PM

 

>

>

>

>

>

> Om Parameshti Gurave Namah

>

>

>

> Namaste Maja

>

>

>

> An excellent snippet of the article translation. Please provide me the link to

the original article, I will see if Google can translate to English for me,

which may save some of your time for translating for us.

>

>

>

> Thanks for taking time to reply to my questions.

>

>

>

> Regards

>

> Raghunatha Rao

>

> http://www.Prashna- Astrology. com

>

>

>

> sohamsa@ .com, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Om Gurave Namah

>

> >

>

> > Dear Raghunatha Rao, namaste

>

> >

>

> > Here is small quotation from Bojan's article as (at least some kind of)

clarification to both of your questions:

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > " During Saturn’s transit over twelfth Bhava from

>

> > Chandra one can experience troubles in marriage life, misunderstandings with

>

> > parents and children, troubles in home life and residential changes. All

this

>

> > together is pointing on strong Vaju tatwa (Air element) and strong Vaju

tatwa

>

> > weakens Akash (or Ether) ruled by Guru. Remedy is to worship Kali Ma

(Kali-one

>

> > of Dash Mahavidyas) with Sani Graha mantra (Om Pram Prim Proum Sah

Sanischaraya

>

> > Namah). Saturn’s transit over Janma Rasi (Chandra placement) can

cause bad

>

> > company, loss of reputation or name, failure in undertakings, dangers…

Remedy is

>

> > to worship Sri Hanuman in addition to the Beeja Mantra of Saturn (Sam

>

> > Sanischaraya Namah). During transit of Saturn over second Bhava from Chandra

>

> > one can expect this to cause financial problems, dangers from

Government/State,

>

> > enmities> Remedy is in worshiping Sri Krishna and also Sani Beeja Mantra*.

>

> > Timing bad events with taking Sade Sati in consideration is crucial, so we

must

>

> > have in mind that every Dasa and Antar Dasa will not have same effects

during

>

> > Sade Sati. If auspicious Dasa of Surya is running along with Sade Sati,

native

>

> > will not necessarily experience hardships. On the other hand, if Antar Dasa

of

>

> > Sukra starts during Surya Maha Dasa (Sukra is lording debilitation Rasi for

>

> > Surya) along with transit of Saturn over second Bhava from Chandra (leading

in

>

> > financial problems) it is akin to sunset for Surya and will point to

problem. "

>

> >

>

> > *in " Vedic remedies in Astrology " by Sanjay Rath, author wrote here just

" Saturn " instead of " Saturn Beeja Mantra " as it is in this article. If you can

find this book (warm recommendation) it is page 171-172. Bojan used this book as

one of references for his article, of course. Let's wait a while before he sets

complete translation on his website and see if this was just a typo. Then I will

add you some examples.

>

> >

>

> > Warm regards,

>

> > Maja Strbac

>

> >

>

> > Hari Om Tat Sat

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > --- On Sun, 9/6/09, raon1008 <raon1008@ .> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > raon1008 <raon1008@ .>

>

> > Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga

Charts ?

>

> > sohamsa@ .com

>

> > Sunday, September 6, 2009, 6:44 AM

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >  

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Om Parameshti Gurave Namah

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Namaste Maja Ji,

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Thank you for taking time to reply to my query. First of all, I am happy to

know that you are getting out of your Sade Sati in 4 days.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > For some time, I have been systematically watching a pattern of Saturn Sade

Sati effects in other Vargas with some natives who are consulting to me.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > May I request you to please teach me the following:-

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > 1) Remedies for Sade Sati counted from Rasi chart.

>

> >

>

> > 2) Dividing Sade Sati in 3 portions depending on Sani transiting 12th, 1st

or 2nd from Janma rasi and interpretation of these 3 portions.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > If possible, please take an example chart when you write about the above.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Again, thank you for your help in advance in clarifying this to me.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Regards

>

> >

>

> > Raghunatha Rao

>

> >

>

> > http://www.Prashna- Astrology. com

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > sohamsa@ .com, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...>

wrote:

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Om Gurave Namah

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Dear Raghunatha Rao, namaste

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > You are correct, Sani Gochar is applicable for Varga charts. For example,

Sani is in Simha Rasi at the moment and if Chandra is placed in Karka, Simha or

Kanya in D10, then Sade Sati is currently running for this area of life

(career).

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Of course, it will not be terrible and hard throughout every minute of these

7 and half years. Have this on your mind, please don't bring people in panic by

giving them fatalistic predictions based on Sade Sati only.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > I am not familiar with remedies for Varga charts, but I can write you

something more about remedies for Sade Sati counted from Rasi chart in case you

can't find them anywhere.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Are you familiar with dividing Sade Sati in 3 portions depending on Sani

transiting 12th, 1st or 2nd from Janma rasi and interpretation of these 3

portions?

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Also take dasas in consideration. If there is Sani AD (or any difficult)

running, then problems to be related with Sade Sati are confirmed (I am getting

out of my Sade Sati in 4 days, I can confirm you this is correct).

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Warm Regards,

>

> >

>

> > Maja Strbac

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Hari Om Tat Sat

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Om Gurave NamahDear Sharat, namasteGood point. Of course, by all means (*says she with Kantaka running as they speak and still skipping to start chanting Rudrachamakam... silly creature! :)Regards,Maja Strbac--- On Sat, 9/12/09, Sharat Misra <gidoc wrote:Sharat Misra <gidoc Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?sohamsa Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 10:12 AM

 

 

BOm Gurave NamahaDear MajaJust to add to what you gave very adeptly mentioned , chanting the Rudrachamakkam esp the 3 rd verse is very effective during the ' kantaka ' phase of Sade sati.Best RegardsSharat Sent from my iPhone 3GOn 10 Sep 2009, at 10:15 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote:

 

Om Gurave NamahDear Raghunatha Rao, namasteHere is small quotation from Bojan's article as (at least some kind of) clarification to both of your questions:"During Saturn’s transit over twelfth Bhava from

Chandra one can experience troubles in marriage life, misunderstandings with

parents and children, troubles in home life and residential changes. All this

together is pointing on strong Vaju tatwa (Air element) and strong Vaju tatwa

weakens Akash (or Ether) ruled by Guru. Remedy is to worship Kali Ma (Kali-one

of Dash Mahavidyas) with Sani Graha mantra (Om Pram Prim Proum Sah Sanischaraya

Namah). Saturn’s transit over Janma Rasi (Chandra placement) can cause bad

company, loss of reputation or name, failure in undertakings, dangers… Remedy is

to worship Sri Hanuman in addition to the Beeja Mantra of Saturn (Sam

Sanischaraya Namah). During transit of Saturn over second Bhava from Chandra

one can expect this to cause financial problems, dangers from Government/State,

enmities> Remedy is in worshiping Sri Krishna and also Sani Beeja Mantra*.

Timing bad events with taking Sade Sati in consideration is crucial, so we must

have in mind that every Dasa and Antar Dasa will not have same effects during

Sade Sati. If auspicious Dasa of Surya is running along with Sade Sati, native

will not necessarily experience hardships. On the other hand, if Antar Dasa of

Sukra starts during Surya Maha Dasa (Sukra is lording debilitation Rasi for

Surya) along with transit of Saturn over second Bhava from Chandra (leading in

financial problems) it is akin to sunset for Surya and will point to problem."*in "Vedic remedies in Astrology" by Sanjay Rath, author wrote here just "Saturn" instead of "Saturn Beeja Mantra" as it is in this article. If you can find this book (warm recommendation) it is page 171-172. Bojan used this book as one of references for his article, of course. Let's wait a while before he sets complete translation on his website and see if this was just a typo. Then I will add you some examples.Warm regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Sun, 9/6/09, raon1008 <raon1008 > wrote:raon1008 <raon1008 > Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?sohamsa@ .comSunday, September 6, 2009, 6:44

AM

 

Om Parameshti Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Maja Ji,

 

Thank you for taking time to reply to my query. First of all, I am happy to know that you are getting out of your Sade Sati in 4 days.

 

For some time, I have been systematically watching a pattern of Saturn Sade Sati effects in other Vargas with some natives who are consulting to me.

 

May I request you to please teach me the following:-

 

1) Remedies for Sade Sati counted from Rasi chart.

2) Dividing Sade Sati in 3 portions depending on Sani transiting 12th, 1st or 2nd from Janma rasi and interpretation of these 3 portions.

 

If possible, please take an example chart when you write about the above.

 

Again, thank you for your help in advance in clarifying this to me.

 

Regards

Raghunatha Rao

http://www.Prashna- Astrology. com

 

sohamsa@ .com, Maja Ã… trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote:

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Raghunatha Rao, namaste

 

You are correct, Sani Gochar is applicable for Varga charts. For example, Sani is in Simha Rasi at the moment and if Chandra is placed in Karka, Simha or Kanya in D10, then Sade Sati is currently running for this area of life (career).

 

Of course, it will not be terrible and hard throughout every minute of these 7 and half years. Have this on your mind, please don't bring people in panic by giving them fatalistic predictions based on Sade Sati only.

 

I am not familiar with remedies for Varga charts, but I can write you something more about remedies for Sade Sati counted from Rasi chart in case you can't find them anywhere.

 

Are you familiar with dividing Sade Sati in 3 portions depending on Sani transiting 12th, 1st or 2nd from Janma rasi and interpretation of these 3 portions?

 

Also take dasas in consideration. If there is Sani AD (or any difficult) running, then problems to be related with Sade Sati are confirmed (I am getting out of my Sade Sati in 4 days, I can confirm you this is correct).

 

Warm Regards,

Maja Strbac

 

Hari Om Tat Sat

[Guest guest]

oṠgurave namaḥ

Dear Pradeep

Yes that is the correct method to determine the exact timing of

sade-sati as explained by many modern authors. However, I would like to see a

classical reference for this. The logic is also good in that they say it is

based on the chandra chalit chakra which is the bhÄva chakra drawn on the Moon

Lagna based on the ParÄÅ›ara -15deg to +15deg.

Best Wishes

Sanjay Rath

WebPages: http://srath.com

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SJC: http://.org

Jyotish Digest, Books: http://sagittariuspublications.com

 

 

 

 

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[sohamsa ] On Behalf Of pradeep0890

08 September 2009 13:56

sohamsa

Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to

Varga Charts ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

How to Calculate Sade-Sati.

 

According, to Sri.Katwa,to calculate the sade

sati, first note the natal Moon's degrees, then subtract 45 degrees from Moon's

degrees and then add 45 degrees to the natal Moon's degrees, so this orb will

be beginning and ending point of the sade-sati in one's horoscopes, i.e sade

sati begins when Saturn is 45 degrees behind Moon and ends when it crosses 45

degrees beyond Moon.

 

This is what I found regarding calculation of sade

sati properly and therefore does not necessarily co-incide with Saturn's

transit.

 

http://www.journalofastrology.com/archives/Saturns_Transit.htm

 

Thank you

Pradeep

[Guest guest]

Om Gurave NamahDear Sharat, namasteOh, we both have Ch in Karka. You were saying "But Ch is strong and in own rasi" and "if strong, it will protect body and mind". I do share your opinion it is important to take these factors in consideration when analyzing Sade Sati effects, since Chandra is reference point. Ch in your chart is strong in kendra, in 10th, own rasi, not a single Garaha dristi of malefic. Beauty. This might be the reason why you were experiencing problems mostly during Sani's transit over 10th bhava and Janma Rasi since it coincidences with Kantaka from Lagna. Any comments on this period of your life from Ashtakavarga point of view? BTW how was it for career during Surya AD (it is in 12th bhava in your D10 and it is the very end of Chandra MD. I do believe in obstacles

whenever MD is ending).In my chart there is curse of Chandra, so I do believe that Sade Sati could simply activated damage already present. Notice, Sani is part of curse with dristi from 2nd bhava. I Will include this

point later.When I was mentioning health issues and involved Chandra, I was applying difference between Sani's transit over 12th, 1st and 2nd from Chandra. 12th bhava signifies sleep, separation, source for UL calculating- partnership, loss, so these areas can be problematic at the time. 1st bhava is for health, body, name, fame etc (you know this, I am sure). and 2nd is for family and finances. That is why I insisted that this 2/3 portion of Sade Sati should be taken in consideration from Rasi Chart, since it is closely related to body level.Though I must add that Rahu AD was the worst for my health, so Sani's transit was not influencing health issues constantly during those 2,5 years. Coming back to Ch curse, when Sani shifted to Simha (July 2007) it was escalation of misunderstandings between me and my father (2nd bhava-family issues and notice Sani in my 2nd Bhava having Graha dristi on Ch. Sorrow coming from family. Ch is

also PiK) You can imagine what happens when Vrishchika is fed up after years of silence and swallowing. My reaction after that was childish, I moved out of our house for 2 months (September-November), but after I came back it seemed like both of us needed some time to clear our thoughts and analyze past actions towards each other. When I came back I insisted to skip those bad habits of occasional "mauna vrata" and talk to eachother using more common sense and understanding. It turned out as good at the end. That chromosome for keeping poison inside while being silent until I blow up, I got that from my dad (and stubbornness also so it is no wonder why front-line was constantly between him and me. He is Vrishchka lagna BTW, so knowing this I simply found a catch for him: I ignore his attempts of "mauna vrata", continue talking to him normaly like nothing happened and at some point I take initiative to talk about problem. Usually I need 24-48 hours to

set things where they belong. Easy. If only I knew this catch when I was younger... :)I can't say much about career problems because I decided not to experiment with these dasas and transit, so I took Jyotisha advice and simply switched on finishing some additional studies (while I am still young, why not) instead of suffering obstacles related to job/career. Too bad I could not sinchronize diploma and end of Ketu MD. I will have a good alibi in two weeks from now.Warm Regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Sat, 9/12/09, Sharat Misra <gidoc wrote:Sharat Misra <gidoc Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?sohamsa Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 10:13 AM

 

 

Om Gurave NamahaDear Maja,Good to hear from you.My data is 13/03/57; 20:59:08,Kanpur, UP, India ( not the Kanpur in Orissa)For me Tula lagna, Shani is yogakaraka and like yourself janma rasi is karaka.But Chandra is strong in it's own sign.For health, we see Paka lagna and lagnesh, right?Of course Chandra shows the shareera or the body.I have just come out of this Sade sati but no physical issues to talk about.But yes my life has transformed in the past 5 years.I think Chandra is the key, if strong it will protect the body and mind.If malefic or ill placed, can cause physical issues but always look at lagnesh

and paka lagna to decipher it more accurately.Kantaka shani worked albeit briefly, so being in the 10 th bhava it shook me a bit but then showed me a better path, so yes hurt at that time but fruits of that have now been reaped . Rudrachamakkam helped me tide over it.Rahu, in lagna , keeps me busy and I am looking forward to it's transit to my 3rd bhava.More soon, let me see your chart.Best RegardsSharat Sent from my iPhone 3GOn 10 Sep 2009, at 10:55 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@

> wrote:

 

Om Gurave NamahDear Sharat, namasteI can't believe I missed this email....... . terrible.Transit of Sani over Janma Rasi in Rasi chart must bring health issues, due to MKS of Sani in 1st bhava from its placement, plus 1st bhava is always related to health, Chandra is also involved in health issues and Rasi chart is over all, as you said, physical self. Now, if this is supported with difficult MD/AD for health, bingo! I felt this on my own skin. When Sani was in Karka (my Janma Rasi) it was the only time I was experiencing chronic health issues since I am born (now I am

perfectly fine). It was terrible, but thanks to this event I officially separated from allopathic medicine for rest of my life (except diagnostic.. .. and I do hope I will not break any bone, so I will avoid surgery as well This Sani transit was supported with

Ketu MD and Rahu AD, maraka placement to each other, but there is parivartana between Ketu and Guru in my chart, so "technically" this was Guru-Rahu MD-AD. Guru is in Vrishchika, Rahu is in Mithuna, 6/8 placement plus they just love eachother, don't they? Birth data for this story: 05th of December 1982, at 01:15 AM, 17 E 48, 43 N 20, Time zone 01h East of GMT. Kanya lagna, Mesh navamsa.I believe there is similar logic for other divisional charts. For parents we should observe Sani transits from Chandra in D12 and apply Dasas, or to use transit of Sani over 12th from Chandra in Navamsa for possible marital problems (if native is married. Otherwise I would not take this in consideration)Now as far as Sade Sati from lagna....... ... I never had similar idea. Now after translating Bojan's article I found something about Yogas from Chandra and they are namely Sunapha, Anapha and Duradra. It is there in BPHS 39th chapter. Something about

12th and 2nd bhava from Chandra, benefics, malefics etc. you should know better what to do with this, I am kind of clubsy with this book. I would still stick to Lagna for Kantaka Sani and Chandra for Sade Sati, but I would not scare people with notifing them about years and years of suffering when any of these two start.Your birth data, please! I only remember Rahu on lagna and Sukra in 5th since we spoke about Diamond you are wearing. I am sooooooooooo lazy to explore archive at the moment.Warm regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Sun, 9/6/09, Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> wrote:Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org>Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?sohamsa@ .comSunday, September 6, 2009,

6:43 AM

 

Om Gurave NamahaDear Maja,I quite agree and Sade sati does effect all spheres via the varga charts. In Rasi however it probably effects only the physical self, often its effects are exaggerated. What do you think about Sade sati vis a vis Lagna and not Chandra rasi?Shani in my chart moves to now finishes its 71/2 yr sade sati of Chandra rasi and now begins sade sati with respect to lagna. Interestingly during the 7 1/2 yrs the only effect I felt was of kantaka shani (on 10th house) but eventually that too turned out to be a blessing. I havent really been able to figure out if its been as bad as its made out to be but shani being yogakarak in my chart may have dampened the effects.best wishesSharatOn 6 Sep 2009, at 14:30, Maja Å trbac wrote:Om Gurave NamahDear Raghunatha Rao, namasteYou are correct, Sani Gochar is applicable for Varga charts. For example, Sani is

in Simha Rasi at the moment and if Chandra is placed in Karka, Simha or Kanya in D10, then Sade Sati is currently running for this area of life (career).Of course, it will not be terrible and hard throughout every minute of these 7 and half years. Have this on your mind, please don't bring people in panic by giving them fatalistic predictions based on Sade Sati only. I am not familiar with remedies for Varga charts, but I can write you something more about remedies for Sade Sati counted from Rasi chart in case you can't find them anywhere. Are you familiar with dividing Sade Sati in 3 portions depending on Sani transiting 12th, 1st or 2nd from Janma rasi and interpretation of these 3 portions?Also take dasas in consideration. If there is Sani AD (or any difficult) running, then problems to be related with Sade Sati are

confirmed (I am getting out of my Sade Sati in 4 days, I can confirm you this is correct). Warm Regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Sat, 9/5/09, raon1008 <raon1008 > wrote:raon1008 <raon1008 > Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?sohamsa@ .comSaturday, September 5, 2009, 6:14 PM Om Parameshti Gurave NamahNamaste Guru Ji, Gurus and Learned Members,For some time, I have been systematically watching a pattern of Saturn Sade

Sati effects in other Vargas with some natives who are consulting to me.So, may I request you to please clarify to me, Does our parampara teaches to use Sade Sati Transits into Navamsa, Dasamsa and for that matter any other Vargas?. Second question I have is, how the remedies differ from the Rasi Sade Sati transits.Thank you for your help in advance in clarifying this to me.RegardsRaghunatha Raohttp://www.Prashna- Astrology. com

 

 

 

 

 

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Om Gurave NamahNamaste Raghunatha,Pleasure is all mine, you are most welcome. Regards,Maja--- On Sun, 9/13/09, raon1008 <raon1008 wrote:raon1008 <raon1008 Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?sohamsa Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 6:32 AM

 

 

Om Parameshti Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Maja,

 

Thank you much for taking time to translating Bojan Ji's article and send it to us. I have not read that in detail, but surely I will do that soon.

 

Thanks again.

 

Regards

Raghunatha Rao

http://www.Prashna- Astrology. com

 

sohamsa@ .com, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote:

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> Om Gurave Namah

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> Dear Raghunatha, namaste

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> I am so glad Bojan and me spared you from Google translator, because I can bet that "Monthy Python's Flying Circus" would seem pathetic comparing to level of amusement provided by reading this Google Serbian-English translation. For illustration: there are seven declensions in Serbian, so... I promise it could hardly turn out as at least partially correct.

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> This bellow is Bojan's article translated by living and breathing human beings. Enjoy it!

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> Sade Sati

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> Qualities of Sani are sorrow,

> pain, illnesses, ripus/sins. Many times I have heard people declaring Sani as

> highest teacher of all. This statement is very incorrect, while on the other

> hand it is partially correct. Reason why it is incorrect lays in fact that

> among Grahas Guru and Sukra are considered to be teachers or Gurus by Maharishi

> Parashara, Maharishi Jaimini as well as other classics. Guru and Sukra are

> ministers of Planetary Cabinet, while Sani is servant. From this we can make a

> conclusion that Sani simply can’t be the highest teacher. On the other hand

> Sani is Dharmaraj. He asked Brihaspati to teach him Dharma Shastra. Brihaspati

> agreed on this and he requested duration of Sade Sati to be reduced as form of

> dakshina for knowledge he gave to Sani. He knew it is impossible to cancel Sade

> Sati completely. From this we can understand that no one is able to avoid effects

> of his own bad karma. Sani’s transits as well as Dasas are always bringing

> effects of our bad karma. From this point of view I can understand why many are

> naming him to be the greatest teacher, but from all above it is clear he is

> not. Sani is very karmic Graha, the slowest planet and farthest from Surya.

> Considering that Brihaspati taught Sani on Dharma Shastra, which is knowledge

> about truth, righteousness etc. Sani will always strive towards correcting

> untruth, but he should not be taken as the truth, honesty etc. himself. He will

> always endeavor to deliver effects of our own bad karma and in a way to make us

> suffer equally as much as we caused others to suffer. Guru is supreme truth,

> supreme knowledge, Karaka for ninth Bhava (also for second, fifth and

> eleventh). Guru is Karaka for Paka Lagna and what is purpose of Paka Lagna? It is

> the very filtration of all our thoughts, good and bad intentions because it is

> Guru who carries memories of many past incarnations and, bottom line, being

> such he knows what is for our own good or bad. He is advising us (or Lagna).

> Question is if we will eventually take this advice or not. However the only

> moment when we consciously change our Karma is present time, because we are

> able to make good or bad decision only in present time and to make Karma

> accordingly to made decision. This is the reason why Rishis and wise men

> advised ones to associate with Sadhus, saintly people, Yogis, monks, people who

> perform some way of self practice. Their influence will always be beneficial

> and naturally supportive. Their advises will make it easier for Paka Lagna to

> convince Lagna to make good decision and move towards good. There is

> significant amount of writings about Sade Sati because Saturns transit effects

> are apparent. Saturns transit over twelfth Bhava from Chandra, over Chandra

> Bhava and second there from is forming this Sati. Considering that duration of

> Sani’s transit over one Rasi is approx. two and half years, it is easy to

> calculate entering another 22.5 year cycle after finishing entire 7.5 Sade Sati

> cycle. 1 Rasi =30 months, 9 Rasis x 30 months=270 months/12=22. 5 years.

> However, it is less known that we can observe Sade Sati even in Navamsa (D9)

> same as in Rasi chart (D1). Considering this is the most important divisional

> chart along with Rasi, showing what kind of Bhagya (destined luck) on level of

> Grahas we brought in to this life, reason is apparent. Navamsa will show

> Vishnu’s blessings, their qualities and if we have them. One usually goes

> through three Sade Satis during life time. If we stop for a moment and think

> about it, we will realize that game of Karma is faultless and fast. For

> example, it is known that Chandra is fastest Graha while Sani is slowest.

> Chandra motion over one Rasi is approximately two and half days. In case if

> Chandra is stationed at very end of Rasi, for example Mithuna and if it enters

> Karka in the afternoon, while Sani is stationed at Simha, a native born during

> afternoon will be born in Sade Sati, while native born during morning will not.

> Same thing goes for Chandra placement with Sani (when special Yoga is formed)

> and for Sani placed in second Rasi counted from Chandra. If one is born with

> Chandra Yuti Sani, but Chandra is placed on the very end of Rasi, native will

> enter next Sade Sati at the age of 25 (approximately) , will remain in second

> Sade Sati untill the age of 33 and enter next Sade Sati at the age of 56

> (33+22.5=55/ 56). There is opinion that first Sade Sati takes away grandparents,

> second takes away parents and third takes away native. Howewer, in practice we

> can notice that this “first, second and third†refers on first next Sade sati,

> meaning somewhere around age of 25-30. Ofcourse this rule is not black and

> white because we can’t skip certain longevity decreasing combinations etc.

> Considering that Chandra is very sensitive spot representing our mind and

> Maharishi Parashara described Chandradi Yogas (position of Grahas in second and

> twelfth from Chandra), Sani’s transit should have very bad influence on all

> life areas. Twelfth Bhava from Chandra will show our emotional life, its

> quality, so malefic placement in this Bhava is inauspicious, while benefics are

> auspicious. Second Bhava from Chandra represents out sustenance, finances, so

> malefics in this Bhava are very inauspicious for money, while benefics are

> excellent. In 39th chapter, Maharishi Parashara is describing

> Sunapha, Anapha and Duradara Yogas formed by Grahas placed in 2nd/12th

> bhava from Chandra. He is saying that any Graha (except Surya, because Chandra

> will be weak in that case) placed in these Bhavas is forming one of these Yogas

> or both. Grahas in second Bhava from Chadra are forming Sunapha, in twelfth

> Anapha and Grahas placed in both 2nd and 12th are forming

> Duradara. What is evident at the very entering in Sade Sati is deprivation of

> enthusiasm and happiness. When left alone feeling of emptiness appears, like

> fortune faded away in some strange way and we are on our own and lonely. But

> this is exactly a chance to be alone and think about life, what is life, why

> are we born, what are our potential errors etc. Sani is Vayu tatwa (element) and

> what he wants from us is to let our self go to the present state. We can’t

> fight against windmills, we can’t escape our bad karma. What we can do is not

> to fight, try to remain calm at side and observe game of karma. This is not

> easy and simple but if we know how long it will last and try to understand

> reason why are we going through it right now, we can make it easier for us. Variety

> of its effects is high in range. Sani will definitely enter our life and let us

> know he has arrived, it is only matter if we will be opened enough to notice

> and accept him. Sani demands us to live our Karma and by living it to

> understand ephemerality (time, Sani), to dedicate to ourselves and start

> putting effort in own self development, to understand what is higher purpose

> and goal. Only when we are fully opened for all possible combinations and

> changes, for potential losses and illnesses, sorrow etc, we will be capable of

> going through these 7.5 years in the easiest possible way. During Saturn’s transit over twelfth Bhava

> from Chandra one can experience troubles in marriage life, misunderstandings

> with parents and children, troubles in home life and residential changes. All

> this together is pointing on strong Vayu tatwa (Air element) and strong Vaju

> tatwa weakens Akash (or Ether) ruled by Guru. Remedy is to worship Kali Ma

> (Kali-one of ten Mahavidyas) with Sani Graha mantra (Om Pram Prim Proum Sah

> Sanischaraya Namah). Saturn’s transit over Janma Rasi (Chandra placement) can

> cause bad company, loss of reputation or name, failure in undertakings,

> dangers… Remedy is to worship Sri Hanuman in addition to the Beeja Mantra of

> Saturn (Sam Sanischaraya Namah). During transit of Saturn over second Bhava

> from Chandra one can expect this to cause financial problems, dangers from

> Government/State, enmities> Remedy is in worshiping Sri Krishna and also

> Sani Beeja Mantra. Timing bad events with taking Sade Sati in consideration is

> crucial, so we must have in mind that every Dasa and Antar Dasa will not have

> same effects during Sade Sati. If auspicious Dasa of Surya is running along

> with Sade Sati, native will not necessarily experience hardships. On the other

> hand, if Antar Dasa of Sukra starts during Surya Maha Dasa (Sukra is lording

> debilitation Rasi for Surya) along with transit of Saturn over second Bhava

> from Chandra (leading in financial problems) it is akin to sunset for Surya and

> will point to problem. We can notice that this as well as other aspects of

> Jyotish, very complex and requires detailed analysis. Keeping in mind what is

> Sani representing and what is his role is definitely a must in this analysis.

> Mahamritunjaya Mantra is always a good solution, especially when it comes to

> health issues. Many of those who learn Jyotish have noticed significant number

> of marriages occurred during Sade Sati, significant number of residential

> changes etc. This is still an opened subject for further exploring and

> research. Take observation on 20-30 charts of people you know well and try to

> find similarities. You can learn and remember only through practice. Devata for

> Saturn is Brahma, however in Shiva Mahapurana we can find that Brahma lied to

> Vishnu that He had reached the top of Lingam (Shiva itself is embodied in it)

> so He could win over more worshipers and make offerings to Him. Of course,

> Shiva was aware of this and manifested in front of both Vishnu and Brahma. As

> punishment He cut off one of Brahmas five heads and cursed Him for his lie not

> to be worshiped ever again or to take offers. Brahma was satisfied with this

> punishment, considering that Bhairava (created from Shiva’s eyebrows) did not

> kill Him (Vishnu asked Shiva to spare Brahma). Instead of Brahma Narayana is to

> be worshiped. Final instance is Shiva, who is highest teacher and removes ripus

> (sins). By applying Mantra we are protecting our mind (Mana is mind, tray is

> protection, so Mantra is protection of mind).

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> Another very good remedy is to

> wear gems. What is happening during Sade Sati is that Sani (vayu tatva) is

> strong and cooling the body (hence giving illness). There are two planets which

> are warming up our body and those two are Mars or Venus. For every lagna either

> Ma or Sk will be beneficial in this matter. So when we take mesa, Mars is lagna

> lord and hence more beneficial (Sk is marakesh), for vrishaba it is Venus, for

> maithuna it is Venus is 5th lord, hence more beneficial, for karka

> Mars is yoga karaka, like this we should see all ascendants and give remedie.

> Gem for Venus is diamond and for Mars it is red coral. Diamonds should be worn

> in white gold and red coral in yellow gold, both on right hand ring finger.

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> Wish you all the best and lot of

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> --- On Thu, 9/10/09, raon1008 <raon1008@.. .> wrote:

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> raon1008 <raon1008@.. .>

> Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?

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> An excellent snippet of the article translation. Please provide me the link to the original article, I will see if Google can translate to English for me, which may save some of your time for translating for us.

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> Raghunatha Rao

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> http://www.Prashna- Astrology. com

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> > together is pointing on strong Vaju tatwa (Air element) and strong Vaju tatwa

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> > weakens Akash (or Ether) ruled by Guru. Remedy is to worship Kali Ma (Kali-one

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> > of Dash Mahavidyas) with Sani Graha mantra (Om Pram Prim Proum Sah Sanischaraya

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> > Namah). Saturn’s transit over Janma Rasi (Chandra placement) can cause bad

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> > company, loss of reputation or name, failure in undertakings, dangers… Remedy is

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> > to worship Sri Hanuman in addition to the Beeja Mantra of Saturn (Sam

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> > Sanischaraya Namah). During transit of Saturn over second Bhava from Chandra

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> > one can expect this to cause financial problems, dangers from Government/State,

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> > enmities> Remedy is in worshiping Sri Krishna and also Sani Beeja Mantra*.

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> > Timing bad events with taking Sade Sati in consideration is crucial, so we must

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> > have in mind that every Dasa and Antar Dasa will not have same effects during

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> > Sade Sati. If auspicious Dasa of Surya is running along with Sade Sati, native

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> > Surya) along with transit of Saturn over second Bhava from Chandra (leading in

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Om Gurave NamahaDear Maja,Have been in Glasgow over the weekend, so have looked at your chart today. I think Shani being out of the sade sati mode will be good.Right, we have Mo in karaka and Sa in 2nd bhava. Your Mo is afflicted by 3 exalted malefics and is debilitated in navamsa. Yes, your Mo is a sitting duck! Undoubtedly Shani in Karaka would have been pretty rough both on body and mind, you have aptly summarised its effect on your relation with your dad. Time has passed but you would have used some remedies, I hope. You will need to remedy this Mo curse ( houses SL and A7) but I am not discussing that for now, perhaps you know how. (Mo= mother/mother figure; Guru, natural devata of 11th bhava)I think appeasing the charkaraka represented by Mo is a good way of dealing with this kind of affliction. You did well.Is your eyesight weak? :Shani in 2nd bhava and Su being in UL.Also Shani is 12 th from badhakesh Guru, this can also bring health issues.You do have a GM yoga in your chart as well.All in all, Shani needs remedying.Shani transit over lagna may cause some ' lagna' related issues but I woudnt worry over it now. If you can, Savitur gayatri will protect.Re my chart, interesting observations. Needless to say I havent even noticed my previous sade sati. This one began, as you know, 2002 and ended now in 2009. So the three phases of 2002-2005, 2005-2007, 2007-2009 brought some changes and taught me some lessons. Strong Moon, helped me, it was mostly mental stress, no physical effect at all. 2002-05, relationship issue with spouse- yes; came on suddenly but I dealt with it honestly: I think this was also part of the curse of spouse( note curse on Ve) which got activated2005-07, made me move out of my country: again I party activated this by wearing a diamond( note exchange of Ve and Ra). This also happened in Su AD- so there is one of your queries answered. I have a very interesting observation on Su in MKS in Dasamsa( more later). Su is also badhakesh, so it was beneficial to overcome it by moving abroad.With Kantaka Shani now in place, its nearly end of Mo MD and Su AD. This period is bad for my employer as Mo is AMK. After studying this I learned how to use it to my advantage. Kantaka made me lose my job in Feb 2006, a real shocker ( never had a career issue like this before) ; I consulted some renowned Jyotish experts, all were of the view that long term gains were impossible. So I changed jobs; got a good compensation and landed a temp contract job but more income; drawback was that it made me move residence again. So Mo protected me, I wasnt out of work even for a day.Su is in MKS in D10, doesnt effect me but as it is also 9 th lord, it hurts my ' boss'. I use it to my advantage, Ke being 11 th from my AL, I gain from ' others mistakes'. Every single ' boss' of mine has 'gone' until I become ' one'. Shhh..its a secret i dont give it out!So with 2007 and kantaka at its peak, I worked harder, became more spiritual ( Rahu transit over natal Su) and got the coveted permanent position against all odds, just after Shani moved to Simha in 2007. My deal for another house also just went straight through after kantaka finished. Summary of sade sati:1st phase: Moving away from home, relationship issues with spouse, more expenditure, foreign travels, children's education affected, sleep affected late, physical separation from spouseCoping with it: Hanumana mantra, Pearl and Diamond, belief in self, remedy for curse of spouse2nd phase: Kantaka activated during this time, had to change jobs, moved residence again, more income, more travelCoping with it: Hanumana, Rudrachamakkam 3 rd verse, Shiva, Jyotirlinga3rd phase: Got a permanent job, become director of services, bought a house, loans came easily, more income, more travel, more spiritualOverall: Moved away from home, Away from spouse, Got new job-more status and income, bought property, became spiritual and vegetarian, began to learn Jyotish. No health issues at all.So thats it for nowLoveSharatOn 14 Sep 2009, at 17:15, Maja Štrbac wrote:

 

 

Om Gurave NamahDear Sharat, namasteOh, we both have Ch in Karka. You were saying "But Ch is strong and in own rasi" and "if strong, it will protect body and mind". I do share your opinion it is important to take these factors in consideration when analyzing Sade Sati effects, since Chandra is reference point. Ch in your chart is strong in kendra, in 10th, own rasi, not a single Garaha dristi of malefic. Beauty. This might be the reason why you were experiencing problems mostly during Sani's transit over 10th bhava and Janma Rasi since it coincidences with Kantaka from Lagna. Any comments on this period of your life from Ashtakavarga point of view? BTW how was it for career during Surya AD (it is in 12th bhava in your D10 and it is the very end of Chandra MD. I do believe in obstacles

whenever MD is ending).In my chart there is curse of Chandra, so I do believe that Sade Sati could simply activated damage already present. Notice, Sani is part of curse with dristi from 2nd bhava. I Will include this

point later.When I was mentioning health issues and involved Chandra, I was applying difference between Sani's transit over 12th, 1st and 2nd from Chandra. 12th bhava signifies sleep, separation, source for UL calculating- partnership, loss, so these areas can be problematic at the time. 1st bhava is for health, body, name, fame etc (you know this, I am sure). and 2nd is for family and finances. That is why I insisted that this 2/3 portion of Sade Sati should be taken in consideration from Rasi Chart, since it is closely related to body level.Though I must add that Rahu AD was the worst for my health, so Sani's transit was not influencing health issues constantly during those 2,5 years. Coming back to Ch curse, when Sani shifted to Simha (July 2007) it was escalation of misunderstandings between me and my father (2nd bhava-family issues and notice Sani in my 2nd Bhava having Graha dristi on Ch. Sorrow coming from family. Ch is

also PiK) You can imagine what happens when Vrishchika is fed up after years of silence and swallowing. My reaction after that was childish, I moved out of our house for 2 months (September-November), but after I came back it seemed like both of us needed some time to clear our thoughts and analyze past actions towards each other. When I came back I insisted to skip those bad habits of occasional "mauna vrata" and talk to eachother using more common sense and understanding. It turned out as good at the end. That chromosome for keeping poison inside while being silent until I blow up, I got that from my dad (and stubbornness also so it is no wonder why front-line was constantly between him and me. He is Vrishchka lagna BTW, so knowing this I simply found a catch for him: I ignore his attempts of "mauna vrata", continue talking to him normaly like nothing happened and at some point I take initiative to talk about problem. Usually I need 24-48 hours to

set things where they belong. Easy. If only I knew this catch when I was younger... :)I can't say much about career problems because I decided not to experiment with these dasas and transit, so I took Jyotisha advice and simply switched on finishing some additional studies (while I am still young, why not) instead of suffering obstacles related to job/career. Too bad I could not sinchronize diploma and end of Ketu MD. I will have a good alibi in two weeks from now.Warm Regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Sat, 9/12/09, Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> wrote:Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?sohamsa Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 10:13 AM

 

 

Om Gurave NamahaDear Maja,Good to hear from you.My data is 13/03/57; 20:59:08,Kanpur, UP, India ( not the Kanpur in Orissa)For me Tula lagna, Shani is yogakaraka and like yourself janma rasi is karaka.But Chandra is strong in it's own sign.For health, we see Paka lagna and lagnesh, right?Of course Chandra shows the shareera or the body.I have just come out of this Sade sati but no physical issues to talk about.But yes my life has transformed in the past 5 years.I think Chandra is the key, if strong it will protect the body and mind.If malefic or ill placed, can cause physical issues but always look at lagnesh

and paka lagna to decipher it more accurately.Kantaka shani worked albeit briefly, so being in the 10 th bhava it shook me a bit but then showed me a better path, so yes hurt at that time but fruits of that have now been reaped . Rudrachamakkam helped me tide over it.Rahu, in lagna , keeps me busy and I am looking forward to it's transit to my 3rd bhava.More soon, let me see your chart.Best RegardsSharat Sent from my iPhone 3GOn 10 Sep 2009, at 10:55 PM, Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro@

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Om Gurave NamahDear Sharat, namasteI can't believe I missed this email....... . terrible.Transit of Sani over Janma Rasi in Rasi chart must bring health issues, due to MKS of Sani in 1st bhava from its placement, plus 1st bhava is always related to health, Chandra is also involved in health issues and Rasi chart is over all, as you said, physical self. Now, if this is supported with difficult MD/AD for health, bingo! I felt this on my own skin. When Sani was in Karka (my Janma Rasi) it was the only time I was experiencing chronic health issues since I am born (now I am

perfectly fine). It was terrible, but thanks to this event I officially separated from allopathic medicine for rest of my life (except diagnostic.. .. and I do hope I will not break any bone, so I will avoid surgery as well This Sani transit was supported with

Ketu MD and Rahu AD, maraka placement to each other, but there is parivartana between Ketu and Guru in my chart, so "technically" this was Guru-Rahu MD-AD. Guru is in Vrishchika, Rahu is in Mithuna, 6/8 placement plus they just love eachother, don't they? Birth data for this story: 05th of December 1982, at 01:15 AM, 17 E 48, 43 N 20, Time zone 01h East of GMT. Kanya lagna, Mesh navamsa.I believe there is similar logic for other divisional charts. For parents we should observe Sani transits from Chandra in D12 and apply Dasas, or to use transit of Sani over 12th from Chandra in Navamsa for possible marital problems (if native is married. Otherwise I would not take this in consideration)Now as far as Sade Sati from lagna....... ... I never had similar idea. Now after translating Bojan's article I found something about Yogas from Chandra and they are namely Sunapha, Anapha and Duradra. It is there in BPHS 39th chapter. Something about

12th and 2nd bhava from Chandra, benefics, malefics etc. you should know better what to do with this, I am kind of clubsy with this book. I would still stick to Lagna for Kantaka Sani and Chandra for Sade Sati, but I would not scare people with notifing them about years and years of suffering when any of these two start.Your birth data, please! I only remember Rahu on lagna and Sukra in 5th since we spoke about Diamond you are wearing. I am sooooooooooo lazy to explore archive at the moment.Warm regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Sun, 9/6/09, Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> wrote:Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org>Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?sohamsa@ .comSunday, September 6, 2009,

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Om Gurave NamahaDear Maja,I quite agree and Sade sati does effect all spheres via the varga charts. In Rasi however it probably effects only the physical self, often its effects are exaggerated. What do you think about Sade sati vis a vis Lagna and not Chandra rasi?Shani in my chart moves to now finishes its 71/2 yr sade sati of Chandra rasi and now begins sade sati with respect to lagna. Interestingly during the 7 1/2 yrs the only effect I felt was of kantaka shani (on 10th house) but eventually that too turned out to be a blessing. I havent really been able to figure out if its been as bad as its made out to be but shani being yogakarak in my chart may have dampened the effects.best wishesSharatOn 6 Sep 2009, at 14:30, Maja Štrbac wrote:Om Gurave NamahDear Raghunatha Rao, namasteYou are correct, Sani Gochar is applicable for Varga charts. For example, Sani is

in Simha Rasi at the moment and if Chandra is placed in Karka, Simha or Kanya in D10, then Sade Sati is currently running for this area of life (career).Of course, it will not be terrible and hard throughout every minute of these 7 and half years. Have this on your mind, please don't bring people in panic by giving them fatalistic predictions based on Sade Sati only. I am not familiar with remedies for Varga charts, but I can write you something more about remedies for Sade Sati counted from Rasi chart in case you can't find them anywhere. Are you familiar with dividing Sade Sati in 3 portions depending on Sani transiting 12th, 1st or 2nd from Janma rasi and interpretation of these 3 portions?Also take dasas in consideration. If there is Sani AD (or any difficult) running, then problems to be related with Sade Sati are

confirmed (I am getting out of my Sade Sati in 4 days, I can confirm you this is correct). Warm Regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Sat, 9/5/09, raon1008 <raon1008 > wrote:raon1008 <raon1008 > Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?sohamsa@ .comSaturday, September 5, 2009, 6:14 PM Om Parameshti Gurave NamahNamaste Guru Ji, Gurus and Learned Members,For some time, I have been systematically watching a pattern of Saturn Sade

Sati effects in other Vargas with some natives who are consulting to me.So, may I request you to please clarify to me, Does our parampara teaches to use Sade Sati Transits into Navamsa, Dasamsa and for that matter any other Vargas?. Second question I have is, how the remedies differ from the Rasi Sade Sati transits.Thank you for your help in advance in clarifying this to me.RegardsRaghunatha Raohttp://www.Prashna- Astrology. com

 

 

 

 

 

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Om Gurave NamahDear Sharat, namasteI am safe and sound as far as remedies for Chandra curse in my chart (but it is really nice to know that you are just like 99% of true Jyotishis-helpful when noticing Dosa), so all that I have now is a life time to work on that curse. And to be honest I am not indifferent when I look at my Ch in Navamsa and D60. I will do my best.Yes I am wearing eyeglasses, congratulations on guessing this. Where were you before September last year to tell me this? I have inborn astigmatism for whole my life, but genius of doctors failed to notice it for four times before I took examination last year. Deviation is not too big though, so I could hardly notice something is wrong with my eyesight earlier. Savitur Gayatri... I am thinking of some other benefits from this mantra for Kanya lagna generally.

So problems with spouse happened during first phase 2002-2005... If you haven't told me this now, I would definitely bet that these problems were experienced during Sani's transit over your UL (but I did not want to push any private and personal issues. I can't know in advance if you are comfortable writing about it on the list). And I would loose my bet Interesting story about Dasamsa and events in your career. "Shhh..its a secret i dont give it out!" Hahahahah, don't worry, your secret is safe with me... and other 698 people receieveing your email )))))) Thanks for detailed info about your experiences during your Sade Sati. It is very useful for me.P.S. Two and half years ago when I exchanged first email with you (and at the same time, last one I wrote in 2007) I was so desperate for not being able to continue dialogue with you. I did not have enough knowledge to take part in it. I consider this a blessing to find you on

the list again and to enjoy this exchange. It is always special to read "Sharat Misra" next to email subject titling thread I was taking part in, since you were the first person who gave me welcome here on Sohamsa.Hugs,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Mon, 9/14/09, Sharat Misra <gidoc wrote:Sharat Misra <gidocRe: Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?sohamsa Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 1:52 PM

 

 

Om Gurave NamahaDear Maja,Have been in Glasgow over the weekend, so have looked at your chart today. I think Shani being out of the sade sati mode will be good.Right, we have Mo in karaka and Sa in 2nd bhava. Your Mo is afflicted by 3 exalted malefics and is debilitated in navamsa. Yes, your Mo is a sitting duck! Undoubtedly Shani in Karaka would have been pretty rough both on body and mind, you have aptly summarised its effect on your relation with your dad. Time has passed but you would have used some remedies, I hope. You will need to remedy this Mo curse ( houses SL and A7) but I am not discussing that for now, perhaps you know how. (Mo= mother/mother figure; Guru, natural devata of 11th bhava)I think appeasing the charkaraka represented by Mo is a good way of dealing with this kind of affliction. You did well.Is your eyesight weak?

:Shani in 2nd bhava and Su being in UL.Also Shani is 12 th from badhakesh Guru, this can also bring health issues.You do have a GM yoga in your chart as well.All in all, Shani needs remedying.Shani transit over lagna may cause some ' lagna' related issues but I woudnt worry over it now. If you can, Savitur gayatri will protect.Re my chart, interesting observations. Needless to say I havent even noticed my previous sade sati. This one began, as you know, 2002 and ended now in 2009. So the three phases of 2002-2005, 2005-2007, 2007-2009 brought some changes and taught me some lessons. Strong Moon, helped me, it was mostly mental stress, no physical effect at all. 2002-05, relationship issue with spouse- yes; came on suddenly but I dealt with it honestly: I think this was also part of the curse of spouse( note curse on Ve) which got activated2005-07, made

me move out of my country: again I party activated this by wearing a diamond( note exchange of Ve and Ra). This also happened in Su AD- so there is one of your queries answered. I have a very interesting observation on Su in MKS in Dasamsa( more later). Su is also badhakesh, so it was beneficial to overcome it by moving abroad.With Kantaka Shani now in place, its nearly end of Mo MD and Su AD. This period is bad for my employer as Mo is AMK. After studying this I learned how to use it to my advantage. Kantaka made me lose my job in Feb 2006, a real shocker ( never had a career issue like this before) ; I consulted some renowned Jyotish experts, all were of the view that long term gains were impossible. So I changed jobs; got a good compensation and landed a temp contract job but more income; drawback was that it made me move residence again. So Mo protected me, I wasnt out of work even for a day.Su is in MKS in D10, doesnt effect

me but as it is also 9 th lord, it hurts my ' boss'. I use it to my advantage, Ke being 11 th from my AL, I gain from ' others mistakes'. Every single ' boss' of mine has 'gone' until I become ' one'. Shhh..its a secret i dont give it out!So with 2007 and kantaka at its peak, I worked harder, became more spiritual ( Rahu transit over natal Su) and got the coveted permanent position against all odds, just after Shani moved to Simha in 2007. My deal for another house also just went straight through after kantaka finished. Summary of sade sati:1st phase: Moving away from home, relationship issues with spouse, more expenditure, foreign travels, children's education affected, sleep affected late, physical separation from spouseCoping with it: Hanumana mantra, Pearl and Diamond, belief in self, remedy for curse of spouse2nd phase: Kantaka activated

during this time, had to change jobs, moved residence again, more income, more travelCoping with it: Hanumana, Rudrachamakkam 3 rd verse, Shiva, Jyotirlinga3rd phase: Got a permanent job, become director of services, bought a house, loans came easily, more income, more travel, more spiritualOverall: Moved away from home, Away from spouse, Got new job-more status and income, bought property, became spiritual and vegetarian, began to learn Jyotish. No health issues at all.So thats it for nowLoveSharatOn 14 Sep 2009, at 17:15, Maja Å trbac wrote:

 

 

Om Gurave NamahDear Sharat, namasteOh, we both have Ch in Karka. You were saying "But Ch is strong and in own rasi" and "if strong, it will protect body and mind". I do share your opinion it is important to take these factors in consideration when analyzing Sade Sati effects, since Chandra is reference point. Ch in your chart is strong in kendra, in 10th, own rasi, not a single Garaha dristi of malefic. Beauty. This might be the reason why you were experiencing problems mostly during Sani's transit over 10th bhava and Janma Rasi since it coincidences with Kantaka from Lagna.

Any comments on this period of your life from Ashtakavarga point of view? BTW how was it for career during Surya AD (it is in 12th bhava in your D10 and it is the very end of Chandra MD. I do believe in obstacles

whenever MD is ending).In my chart there is curse of Chandra, so I do believe that Sade Sati could simply activated damage already present. Notice, Sani is part of curse with dristi from 2nd bhava. I Will include this

point later.When I was mentioning health issues and involved Chandra, I was applying difference between Sani's transit over 12th, 1st and 2nd from Chandra. 12th bhava signifies sleep, separation, source for UL calculating- partnership, loss, so these areas can be problematic at the time. 1st bhava is for health, body, name, fame etc (you know this, I am sure). and 2nd is for family and finances. That is why I insisted that this 2/3 portion of Sade Sati should be taken in consideration from Rasi Chart, since it is closely related to body level.Though I must add that Rahu AD was the worst for my health, so Sani's transit was not influencing health issues constantly during those 2,5 years. Coming back to Ch curse, when Sani shifted to Simha (July 2007) it was escalation of misunderstandings between me and my father (2nd bhava-family issues and notice Sani in my 2nd Bhava having Graha dristi on Ch. Sorrow coming from family. Ch is

also PiK) You can imagine what happens when Vrishchika is fed up after years of silence and swallowing. My reaction after that was childish, I moved out of our house for 2 months (September-November ), but after I came back it seemed like both of us needed some time to clear our thoughts and analyze past actions towards each other. When I came back I insisted to skip those bad habits of occasional "mauna vrata" and talk to eachother using more common sense and understanding. It turned out as good at the end. That chromosome for keeping poison inside while being silent until I blow up, I got that from my dad (and stubbornness also so it is no wonder why front-line was constantly between him and me. He is Vrishchka lagna BTW, so knowing this I simply found a catch for him: I ignore his attempts of "mauna vrata", continue talking to him normaly like nothing happened and at some point I take initiative to talk about problem. Usually I need 24-48 hours to

set things where they belong. Easy. If only I knew this catch when I was younger... :)I can't say much about career problems because I decided not to experiment with these dasas and transit, so I took Jyotisha advice and simply switched on finishing some additional studies (while I am still young, why not) instead of suffering obstacles related to job/career. Too bad I could not sinchronize diploma and end of Ketu MD. I will have a good alibi in two weeks from now.Warm Regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Sat, 9/12/09, Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> wrote:Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?sohamsa@ .comSaturday, September 12, 2009, 10:13 AM

 

 

Om Gurave NamahaDear Maja,Good to hear from you.My data is 13/03/57; 20:59:08,Kanpur, UP, India ( not the Kanpur in Orissa)For me Tula lagna, Shani is yogakaraka and like yourself janma rasi is karaka.But Chandra is strong in it's own sign.For health, we see Paka lagna and lagnesh, right?Of course Chandra shows the shareera or the body.I have just come out of this Sade sati but no physical issues to talk about.But yes my life has transformed in the past 5 years.I think Chandra is the key, if strong it will protect the body and mind.If malefic or ill placed, can cause physical issues but always look at lagnesh

and paka lagna to decipher it more accurately.Kantaka shani worked albeit briefly, so being in the 10 th bhava it shook me a bit but then showed me a better path, so yes hurt at that time but fruits of that have now been reaped . Rudrachamakkam helped me tide over it.Rahu, in lagna , keeps me busy and I am looking forward to it's transit to my 3rd bhava.More soon, let me see your chart.Best RegardsSharat Sent from my iPhone 3GOn 10 Sep 2009, at 10:55 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@

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Om Gurave NamahDear Sharat, namasteI can't believe I missed this email....... . terrible.Transit of Sani over Janma Rasi in Rasi chart must bring health issues, due to MKS of Sani in 1st bhava from its placement, plus 1st bhava is always related to health, Chandra is also involved in health issues and Rasi chart is over all, as you said, physical self. Now, if this is supported with difficult MD/AD for health, bingo! I felt this on my own skin. When Sani was in Karka (my Janma Rasi) it was the only time I was experiencing chronic health issues since I am born (now I am

perfectly fine). It was terrible, but thanks to this event I officially separated from allopathic medicine for rest of my life (except diagnostic.. .. and I do hope I will not break any bone, so I will avoid surgery as well This Sani transit was supported with

Ketu MD and Rahu AD, maraka placement to each other, but there is parivartana between Ketu and Guru in my chart, so "technically" this was Guru-Rahu MD-AD. Guru is in Vrishchika, Rahu is in Mithuna, 6/8 placement plus they just love eachother, don't they? Birth data for this story: 05th of December 1982, at 01:15 AM, 17 E 48, 43 N 20, Time zone 01h East of GMT. Kanya lagna, Mesh navamsa.I believe there is similar logic for other divisional charts. For parents we should observe Sani transits from Chandra in D12 and apply Dasas, or to use transit of Sani over 12th from Chandra in Navamsa for possible marital problems (if native is married. Otherwise I would not take this in consideration)Now as far as Sade Sati from lagna....... ... I never had similar idea. Now after translating Bojan's article I found something about Yogas from Chandra and they are namely Sunapha, Anapha and Duradra. It is there in BPHS 39th chapter. Something about

12th and 2nd bhava from Chandra, benefics, malefics etc. you should know better what to do with this, I am kind of clubsy with this book. I would still stick to Lagna for Kantaka Sani and Chandra for Sade Sati, but I would not scare people with notifing them about years and years of suffering when any of these two start.Your birth data, please! I only remember Rahu on lagna and Sukra in 5th since we spoke about Diamond you are wearing. I am sooooooooooo lazy to explore archive at the moment.Warm regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Sun, 9/6/09, Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> wrote:Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org>Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?sohamsa@ .comSunday, September 6, 2009,

6:43 AM

 

Om Gurave NamahaDear Maja,I quite agree and Sade sati does effect all spheres via the varga charts. In Rasi however it probably effects only the physical self, often its effects are exaggerated. What do you think about Sade sati vis a vis Lagna and not Chandra rasi?Shani in my chart moves to now finishes its 71/2 yr sade sati of Chandra rasi and now begins sade sati with respect to lagna. Interestingly during the 7 1/2 yrs the only effect I felt was of kantaka shani (on 10th house) but eventually that too turned out to be a blessing. I havent really been able to figure out if its been as bad as its made out to be but shani being yogakarak in my chart may have dampened the effects.best wishesSharatOn 6 Sep 2009, at 14:30, Maja Å trbac wrote:Om Gurave NamahDear Raghunatha Rao, namasteYou are correct, Sani Gochar is applicable for Varga charts. For example, Sani is

in Simha Rasi at the moment and if Chandra is placed in Karka, Simha or Kanya in D10, then Sade Sati is currently running for this area of life (career).Of course, it will not be terrible and hard throughout every minute of these 7 and half years. Have this on your mind, please don't bring people in panic by giving them fatalistic predictions based on Sade Sati only. I am not familiar with remedies for Varga charts, but I can write you something more about remedies for Sade Sati counted from Rasi chart in case you can't find them anywhere. Are you familiar with dividing Sade Sati in 3 portions depending on Sani transiting 12th, 1st or 2nd from Janma rasi and interpretation of these 3 portions?Also take dasas in consideration. If there is Sani AD (or any difficult) running, then problems to be related with Sade Sati are

confirmed (I am getting out of my Sade Sati in 4 days, I can confirm you this is correct). Warm Regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Sat, 9/5/09, raon1008 <raon1008 > wrote:raon1008 <raon1008 > Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?sohamsa@ .comSaturday, September 5, 2009, 6:14 PM Om Parameshti Gurave NamahNamaste Guru Ji, Gurus and Learned Members,For some time, I have been systematically watching a pattern of Saturn Sade

Sati effects in other Vargas with some natives who are consulting to me.So, may I request you to please clarify to me, Does our parampara teaches to use Sade Sati Transits into Navamsa, Dasamsa and for that matter any other Vargas?. Second question I have is, how the remedies differ from the Rasi Sade Sati transits.Thank you for your help in advance in clarifying this to me.RegardsRaghunatha Raohttp://www.Prashna- Astrology. com

 

 

 

 

 

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Om Gurave NamahaDear Maja,Good to hear from you.I believe in good Karma of previous life to come as a blessing in this life, it makes meet someone like yourself! I am delighted that I did predict something correctly. I am also pleased that you remembered me from before, I do interact with a lot of people on net and otherwise and it always makes it worthwhile when I find someone like you. I am also a bit surprised that you felt you were not able to ' continue dialogue' with me earlier as I do get a lot of contact as personal email as well. I did read your mails always and likewise am delighted to renew our contact. I am very interested in names and Maja stands out by itself, hence I am sure I would have welcomed you although I have no memory of itMy pursuits are studying human nature and behaviour and that also helps me as a healer.If you see Chandra in my rasi chart you will know that it being in strength in its own rasi in tenth from lagna, I do not really worry about 'what world thinks or says'; so I am quite comfortable discussing any issue as I know its meant only for some and not all!! I did want to point out how Shani played a role in those times. I think in many ways it has changed me and now I have a much healthier and better relationship with my wife.Enjoy your day, its really quite sunny here today in England.LoveSharatOn 20 Sep 2009, at 12:01, Maja Štrbac wrote:

 

 

Om Gurave NamahDear Sharat, namasteI am safe and sound as far as remedies for Chandra curse in my chart (but it is really nice to know that you are just like 99% of true Jyotishis-helpful when noticing Dosa), so all that I have now is a life time to work on that curse. And to be honest I am not indifferent when I look at my Ch in Navamsa and D60. I will do my best.Yes I am wearing eyeglasses, congratulations on guessing this. Where were you before September last year to tell me this? I have inborn astigmatism for whole my life, but genius of doctors failed to notice it for four times before I took examination last year. Deviation is not too big though, so I could hardly notice something is wrong with my eyesight earlier. Savitur Gayatri... I am thinking of some other benefits from this mantra for Kanya lagna generally.

So problems with spouse happened during first phase 2002-2005... If you haven't told me this now, I would definitely bet that these problems were experienced during Sani's transit over your UL (but I did not want to push any private and personal issues. I can't know in advance if you are comfortable writing about it on the list). And I would loose my bet Interesting story about Dasamsa and events in your career. "Shhh..its a secret i dont give it out!" Hahahahah, don't worry, your secret is safe with me... and other 698 people receieveing your email )))))) Thanks for detailed info about your experiences during your Sade Sati. It is very useful for me.P.S. Two and half years ago when I exchanged first email with you (and at the same time, last one I wrote in 2007) I was so desperate for not being able to continue dialogue with you. I did not have enough knowledge to take part in it. I consider this a blessing to find you on

the list again and to enjoy this exchange. It is always special to read "Sharat Misra" next to email subject titling thread I was taking part in, since you were the first person who gave me welcome here on Sohamsa.Hugs,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Mon, 9/14/09, Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> wrote:Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org>Re: Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?sohamsa Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 1:52 PM

 

 

Om Gurave NamahaDear Maja,Have been in Glasgow over the weekend, so have looked at your chart today. I think Shani being out of the sade sati mode will be good.Right, we have Mo in karaka and Sa in 2nd bhava. Your Mo is afflicted by 3 exalted malefics and is debilitated in navamsa. Yes, your Mo is a sitting duck! Undoubtedly Shani in Karaka would have been pretty rough both on body and mind, you have aptly summarised its effect on your relation with your dad. Time has passed but you would have used some remedies, I hope. You will need to remedy this Mo curse ( houses SL and A7) but I am not discussing that for now, perhaps you know how. (Mo= mother/mother figure; Guru, natural devata of 11th bhava)I think appeasing the charkaraka represented by Mo is a good way of dealing with this kind of affliction. You did well.Is your eyesight weak?

:Shani in 2nd bhava and Su being in UL.Also Shani is 12 th from badhakesh Guru, this can also bring health issues.You do have a GM yoga in your chart as well.All in all, Shani needs remedying.Shani transit over lagna may cause some ' lagna' related issues but I woudnt worry over it now. If you can, Savitur gayatri will protect.Re my chart, interesting observations. Needless to say I havent even noticed my previous sade sati. This one began, as you know, 2002 and ended now in 2009. So the three phases of 2002-2005, 2005-2007, 2007-2009 brought some changes and taught me some lessons. Strong Moon, helped me, it was mostly mental stress, no physical effect at all. 2002-05, relationship issue with spouse- yes; came on suddenly but I dealt with it honestly: I think this was also part of the curse of spouse( note curse on Ve) which got activated2005-07, made

me move out of my country: again I party activated this by wearing a diamond( note exchange of Ve and Ra). This also happened in Su AD- so there is one of your queries answered. I have a very interesting observation on Su in MKS in Dasamsa( more later). Su is also badhakesh, so it was beneficial to overcome it by moving abroad.With Kantaka Shani now in place, its nearly end of Mo MD and Su AD. This period is bad for my employer as Mo is AMK. After studying this I learned how to use it to my advantage. Kantaka made me lose my job in Feb 2006, a real shocker ( never had a career issue like this before) ; I consulted some renowned Jyotish experts, all were of the view that long term gains were impossible. So I changed jobs; got a good compensation and landed a temp contract job but more income; drawback was that it made me move residence again. So Mo protected me, I wasnt out of work even for a day.Su is in MKS in D10, doesnt effect

me but as it is also 9 th lord, it hurts my ' boss'. I use it to my advantage, Ke being 11 th from my AL, I gain from ' others mistakes'. Every single ' boss' of mine has 'gone' until I become ' one'. Shhh..its a secret i dont give it out!So with 2007 and kantaka at its peak, I worked harder, became more spiritual ( Rahu transit over natal Su) and got the coveted permanent position against all odds, just after Shani moved to Simha in 2007. My deal for another house also just went straight through after kantaka finished. Summary of sade sati:1st phase: Moving away from home, relationship issues with spouse, more expenditure, foreign travels, children's education affected, sleep affected late, physical separation from spouseCoping with it: Hanumana mantra, Pearl and Diamond, belief in self, remedy for curse of spouse2nd phase: Kantaka activated

during this time, had to change jobs, moved residence again, more income, more travelCoping with it: Hanumana, Rudrachamakkam 3 rd verse, Shiva, Jyotirlinga3rd phase: Got a permanent job, become director of services, bought a house, loans came easily, more income, more travel, more spiritualOverall: Moved away from home, Away from spouse, Got new job-more status and income, bought property, became spiritual and vegetarian, began to learn Jyotish. No health issues at all.So thats it for nowLoveSharatOn 14 Sep 2009, at 17:15, Maja Štrbac wrote:

 

 

Om Gurave NamahDear Sharat, namasteOh, we both have Ch in Karka. You were saying "But Ch is strong and in own rasi" and "if strong, it will protect body and mind". I do share your opinion it is important to take these factors in consideration when analyzing Sade Sati effects, since Chandra is reference point. Ch in your chart is strong in kendra, in 10th, own rasi, not a single Garaha dristi of malefic. Beauty. This might be the reason why you were experiencing problems mostly during Sani's transit over 10th bhava and Janma Rasi since it coincidences with Kantaka from Lagna.

Any comments on this period of your life from Ashtakavarga point of view? BTW how was it for career during Surya AD (it is in 12th bhava in your D10 and it is the very end of Chandra MD. I do believe in obstacles

whenever MD is ending).In my chart there is curse of Chandra, so I do believe that Sade Sati could simply activated damage already present. Notice, Sani is part of curse with dristi from 2nd bhava. I Will include this

point later.When I was mentioning health issues and involved Chandra, I was applying difference between Sani's transit over 12th, 1st and 2nd from Chandra. 12th bhava signifies sleep, separation, source for UL calculating- partnership, loss, so these areas can be problematic at the time. 1st bhava is for health, body, name, fame etc (you know this, I am sure). and 2nd is for family and finances. That is why I insisted that this 2/3 portion of Sade Sati should be taken in consideration from Rasi Chart, since it is closely related to body level.Though I must add that Rahu AD was the worst for my health, so Sani's transit was not influencing health issues constantly during those 2,5 years. Coming back to Ch curse, when Sani shifted to Simha (July 2007) it was escalation of misunderstandings between me and my father (2nd bhava-family issues and notice Sani in my 2nd Bhava having Graha dristi on Ch. Sorrow coming from family. Ch is

also PiK) You can imagine what happens when Vrishchika is fed up after years of silence and swallowing. My reaction after that was childish, I moved out of our house for 2 months (September-November ), but after I came back it seemed like both of us needed some time to clear our thoughts and analyze past actions towards each other. When I came back I insisted to skip those bad habits of occasional "mauna vrata" and talk to eachother using more common sense and understanding. It turned out as good at the end. That chromosome for keeping poison inside while being silent until I blow up, I got that from my dad (and stubbornness also so it is no wonder why front-line was constantly between him and me. He is Vrishchka lagna BTW, so knowing this I simply found a catch for him: I ignore his attempts of "mauna vrata", continue talking to him normaly like nothing happened and at some point I take initiative to talk about problem. Usually I need 24-48 hours to

set things where they belong. Easy. If only I knew this catch when I was younger... :)I can't say much about career problems because I decided not to experiment with these dasas and transit, so I took Jyotisha advice and simply switched on finishing some additional studies (while I am still young, why not) instead of suffering obstacles related to job/career. Too bad I could not sinchronize diploma and end of Ketu MD. I will have a good alibi in two weeks from now.Warm Regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Sat, 9/12/09, Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> wrote:Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?sohamsa@ .comSaturday, September 12, 2009, 10:13 AM

 

 

Om Gurave NamahaDear Maja,Good to hear from you.My data is 13/03/57; 20:59:08,Kanpur, UP, India ( not the Kanpur in Orissa)For me Tula lagna, Shani is yogakaraka and like yourself janma rasi is karaka.But Chandra is strong in it's own sign.For health, we see Paka lagna and lagnesh, right?Of course Chandra shows the shareera or the body.I have just come out of this Sade sati but no physical issues to talk about.But yes my life has transformed in the past 5 years.I think Chandra is the key, if strong it will protect the body and mind.If malefic or ill placed, can cause physical issues but always look at lagnesh

and paka lagna to decipher it more accurately.Kantaka shani worked albeit briefly, so being in the 10 th bhava it shook me a bit but then showed me a better path, so yes hurt at that time but fruits of that have now been reaped . Rudrachamakkam helped me tide over it.Rahu, in lagna , keeps me busy and I am looking forward to it's transit to my 3rd bhava.More soon, let me see your chart.Best RegardsSharat Sent from my iPhone 3GOn 10 Sep 2009, at 10:55 PM, Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro@

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Om Gurave NamahDear Sharat, namasteI can't believe I missed this email....... . terrible.Transit of Sani over Janma Rasi in Rasi chart must bring health issues, due to MKS of Sani in 1st bhava from its placement, plus 1st bhava is always related to health, Chandra is also involved in health issues and Rasi chart is over all, as you said, physical self. Now, if this is supported with difficult MD/AD for health, bingo! I felt this on my own skin. When Sani was in Karka (my Janma Rasi) it was the only time I was experiencing chronic health issues since I am born (now I am

perfectly fine). It was terrible, but thanks to this event I officially separated from allopathic medicine for rest of my life (except diagnostic.. .. and I do hope I will not break any bone, so I will avoid surgery as well This Sani transit was supported with

Ketu MD and Rahu AD, maraka placement to each other, but there is parivartana between Ketu and Guru in my chart, so "technically" this was Guru-Rahu MD-AD. Guru is in Vrishchika, Rahu is in Mithuna, 6/8 placement plus they just love eachother, don't they? Birth data for this story: 05th of December 1982, at 01:15 AM, 17 E 48, 43 N 20, Time zone 01h East of GMT. Kanya lagna, Mesh navamsa.I believe there is similar logic for other divisional charts. For parents we should observe Sani transits from Chandra in D12 and apply Dasas, or to use transit of Sani over 12th from Chandra in Navamsa for possible marital problems (if native is married. Otherwise I would not take this in consideration)Now as far as Sade Sati from lagna....... ... I never had similar idea. Now after translating Bojan's article I found something about Yogas from Chandra and they are namely Sunapha, Anapha and Duradra. It is there in BPHS 39th chapter. Something about

12th and 2nd bhava from Chandra, benefics, malefics etc. you should know better what to do with this, I am kind of clubsy with this book. I would still stick to Lagna for Kantaka Sani and Chandra for Sade Sati, but I would not scare people with notifing them about years and years of suffering when any of these two start.Your birth data, please! I only remember Rahu on lagna and Sukra in 5th since we spoke about Diamond you are wearing. I am sooooooooooo lazy to explore archive at the moment.Warm regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Sun, 9/6/09, Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> wrote:Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org>Re: Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?sohamsa@ .comSunday, September 6, 2009,

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Om Gurave NamahaDear Maja,I quite agree and Sade sati does effect all spheres via the varga charts. In Rasi however it probably effects only the physical self, often its effects are exaggerated. What do you think about Sade sati vis a vis Lagna and not Chandra rasi?Shani in my chart moves to now finishes its 71/2 yr sade sati of Chandra rasi and now begins sade sati with respect to lagna. Interestingly during the 7 1/2 yrs the only effect I felt was of kantaka shani (on 10th house) but eventually that too turned out to be a blessing. I havent really been able to figure out if its been as bad as its made out to be but shani being yogakarak in my chart may have dampened the effects.best wishesSharatOn 6 Sep 2009, at 14:30, Maja Štrbac wrote:Om Gurave NamahDear Raghunatha Rao, namasteYou are correct, Sani Gochar is applicable for Varga charts. For example, Sani is

in Simha Rasi at the moment and if Chandra is placed in Karka, Simha or Kanya in D10, then Sade Sati is currently running for this area of life (career).Of course, it will not be terrible and hard throughout every minute of these 7 and half years. Have this on your mind, please don't bring people in panic by giving them fatalistic predictions based on Sade Sati only. I am not familiar with remedies for Varga charts, but I can write you something more about remedies for Sade Sati counted from Rasi chart in case you can't find them anywhere. Are you familiar with dividing Sade Sati in 3 portions depending on Sani transiting 12th, 1st or 2nd from Janma rasi and interpretation of these 3 portions?Also take dasas in consideration. If there is Sani AD (or any difficult) running, then problems to be related with Sade Sati are

confirmed (I am getting out of my Sade Sati in 4 days, I can confirm you this is correct). Warm Regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Sat, 9/5/09, raon1008 <raon1008 > wrote:raon1008 <raon1008 > Can the Sade Sati Transit Principles apply to Varga Charts ?sohamsa@ .comSaturday, September 5, 2009, 6:14 PM Om Parameshti Gurave NamahNamaste Guru Ji, Gurus and Learned Members,For some time, I have been systematically watching a pattern of Saturn Sade

Sati effects in other Vargas with some natives who are consulting to me.So, may I request you to please clarify to me, Does our parampara teaches to use Sade Sati Transits into Navamsa, Dasamsa and for that matter any other Vargas?. Second question I have is, how the remedies differ from the Rasi Sade Sati transits.Thank you for your help in advance in clarifying this to me.RegardsRaghunatha Raohttp://www.Prashna- Astrology. com

 

 

 

 

 

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