[SoHamsa] Question about Ve in 3rd from AL (Rafalji)

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klim

krishna klim

Dear Sundeep

 

Venus in third makes one lustful, but in third from Arudhapada can deny

sexual enjoyment due to soul maturity or circumstancial denial.

 

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Woods%2C_Tiger

 

Both BPHS and Saravali states that Hamsa can make one lustful.

 

Jataka Parijata and Jataka Tattva states that 3L yuti Shukra makes one

go for carnal pleasures. Also third house occupied by Shukra especially

in malefic rasi or influenced by malefics can give these type of

occurences in one's life - if Navamsa supports (here the first of Kanya

makes one enjoy sex - Saravali). Venus in third makes one lustful -

Jataka Bharanam. Venus in Vrscika makes one lustful B.Jatakam 18.14.

Venus in Martial sign or aspected by Mars gives lust - BPHS 20.10.  

Mars in Taurus give mind drowned in sensual enjoyment (JP 8.40) this is

on Arudhapada and in fifrth from Lagnesh being subhapati - this

supports kanya lagna. Mars in Venusian sign aspected by Moon gives lord

of many women and dear to women (Saravali). Normally Ju in seventh

house gives good attitude however it shares makaraamsa kshetra in

Navamsa.

 

Lust is also given by:

 

 

forth lord connected to dusthana (phaldeepika)

2nd lord in third (bphs)

 

 

 

He has 10L in fifth, Strong Surya (mitra avastha), Ju in kona to Mo and

Ma in kona to Me - this is Sarada yoga (he has also partial Matsya and

Kurma) and gives focus on duties, strength and awards from

institutions. Reverence to God and deligth to śastra are also listed in

his BIO and its also part of Sarada. Too bad he is victim of bad karma

in the form of passions. This fire can spoil everything. Desire for sex

destroys authority, desire for money destroys knowledge - the

conciousness simply decrease and one forget all the rules of Satva and

Brahmana and becomes angry. Srimad Bhagavatam Five Canto nicely

describes this process.

 

 

 

 

 

How you know this chart is accurate - I was always wondering what are

the sources of celebrity birthtime, people are using those with full

faith..

 

This astro databank www is great idea - birthtime+short info. I would

like to see those ideas with - real - birthtimes.

 

Its the next chart in this week of sportsman with Budha in fifth. This

confirms the sloka from Jataka Bharanam. I always see also Mangal

influence - here its rasi drsti.

 

Often lack of fidelity start after rajayoga as the rajas rises and the

barriers are becoming meaningless. This can give multiple marriages or

cheating.

 

 

 

 

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

Jyotish Guru of SJC

http://rohinaa.com/

rgendarz

 

vedicastrostudent pisze:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Rafalji,

 

Unfortunately, I cannot share the details of the people I know. I dont

have their permission. However, Tiger Woods' details are publicly

available:

 

http://www.astro.

com/astro- databank/ Woods%2C_ Tiger

 

I also must add that I'm only seeking to understand the basic principle

- I understand that there may be variations when there are strong

counterbalancing factors - but in general I dont understand the

specific difference in Lagna and Arudha Lagna that makes us treat Venus

in 3rd from them so differently.

 

Regards,

 

Sundeep

 

sohamsa@ .com,

Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...> wrote:

>

> *klim krishna klim*

> Dear Sundeep

>

> There are few more riders, could you provide birthdetails for our

study?

>

>

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz

> Jyotish Guru of SJC

> http://rohinaa.

com/

> /rgendarz@.. ./

>

> vedicastrostudent pisze:

> >

> >

> > Dear Rafalji,

> >

> > I know (also mentioned in your "tracing spirituality"

youtubes) that

> > benefics in the 3rd from AL in Rasi show the first traces of

> > renunciation. I dont question it, because I know it is true

(as seen

> > from charts), but I dont comprehend/understa nd the concept.

Here is why:

> >

> > I have now seen 4 charts with Venus in 3rd in Rasi (not 3rd

from AL,

> > but 3rd from Lagna). The first is the well known Tiger Woods,

and we

> > now all know about his flings with at least 12 women outside

marriage.

> > If the entire world now knows about 12, who knows how many

there are

> > that we dont know about. Next, I know this other guy who has

Rahu and

> > Venus in the 3rd, Venus debilitated and AK. He doesnt have

Tiger

> > Woods' fame, but he is no less. He left his wife because he

couldnt

> > control his unquenchable sexual lust outside marriage. I know

2 other

> > women with Venus in 3rd, but no AK (like Tiger Woods (Moon AK

with

> > Venus in 3rd) and the other guy). They are both in real life

very

> > responsible and hard working, you would never guess this

would happen,

> > but I have come to know about their absolutely wild behavior

a few

> > times when they were in a bar at night.

> >

> > So the question is: How does Venus in the 3rd become *so*

different,

> > when in 3rd from Lagna as opposed to when it is 3rd from AL?

What is

> > the concept? 3rd from Lagna I understand - 3rd is the house

of lusts

> > etc, Venus there - can certainly give these issues, no? So

what

> > changes so massively in 3rd from AL?

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sundeep

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Maja,

jai

shree Ram, Krishn,

 

My response is in green. Please don't write in bold

letters. It's hard to read. Let's continue…

 

//In tesla chart venus is badly combust by sun. because of this venus

karaktatawas are severely harmed. venus represents women, love in

general. Really?

DOB: 08th of January 1978

TOB: 15:15 PM

POB:Â Split, Croatia; 16 E 27, 43 N 31

Time zone 01h East of GMT

This is my brother's chart. Pay attention on Venus, please. He is married

BTW.//

 

Is parivertan between lagana and 7th isn't good enough reason for him getting

married. Three benefices in 7th is not good enough. 7th from venus has Jupiter,

is that is not a good enough reason.

Haven't you taught to see these thing all well in a chart. Speaking of looking and seeing,

which are basic conditions to read correctly, my suggestion was to look at

combust Sukra in his chart, and seems like you failed to see that combustion

occurs in 7th bhava... Anyway, my point in giving you this example was not to

examine his chart and reasons why he married (which I am able to do on my own,

thank you) if they are not including explanation on combusted Sukra not

destroying "women and love" in this chart. I can even spell my point:

T-H-I-S* I-S*N-O-T*E-N-O-U-G-H*T-O*M-A-K-E*O-N-E*A*C-E-L-I-B-A-T-E!

Did I ever say that sukra is the only criteria to judge whether

one will marry or not. I didn't but you presume. I just advice you to not guess

so much, you see all you guess have failed. It just doesn't work for you. Why

don't you confirm first before making an assumption.

Sukra is one of the criteria but not at all the only criteria.

His venus is combust. Is hard for him to fall in love and he

will feel neglected in love. Sorry, but

this is not the case.Though these result will not be

intense because of many benefices are associating with it. Benefics can not cancel combustion (Especially not

Amavasya Chandra!). It is very specific dosa, it is not like dristi of malefics

forming a curse (Saapa), for example, where drishti of benefic can be of help.

Again, did I say that it cancel combustion, I just

said that benefices mellow down the bad result of sukra. Regarding amavasya

moon, yes you are correct but here also beneficial accept, conjunction does

mellow down bad result.

 

As UL contains mars indicates his wife being aggressive. No she is not. Also he will have

some relationship problem with his father. This is correct.

 

Why tesla didn't have women in his life?

Here are the reasons:

1. 7th lord combust.

2. venus combust.

3. 6L joining 7L.

Please look at female chart I gave you

(3rd October 1979...) 6th

and 7th lord in parivartana, combust Sukra 7th lord.

4.

UL

in 12th. UL can not

possibly fall in 12th house... typing

mistake, its UL lord in 12.

5. 7th from venus is in 12th. Meaning that he can meet his wife somewhere abroad

I have one example, but every time I give you an example, you think I am

puzzling you, testing you and expecting you say something more about native in

order to prove your knowledge. That is really not the case. Just illustrating

your statements...

Exactly, it means that one wife is

far away and not easily accessible. Hope you got the point. It also means that

once women will live away from him during relivent dasha, antardasha.

And to avoid any confusion on your

part, I again says that it is one of the criteria not the only criteria to

decide whether once women has to leave.

 

6. In navamsha venus moved in 8th accepted by 8th lord mars

and is helmed between malefic. You should

really see Sukra in Swami Vivekananda's navamsha...

its exalted in 5th house, then what?

 

Is these reasons are enough? Nope...

You see, when I gave you birth details for Tesla's chart, I was really

expecting you will ask questions to other learned members, since you showed

some enthusiasm for the subject (I was sort of lazy those days). I was hoping I

will not have to include further in this thread except for reading replies (if

there is any decent reply worth reading). But you referred to me... So here we

are (by now I am bored to death). Honestly, if I would ask a question why he

decided to live in celibacy, you would be the last on the list of people who I

would refer to. No offense, please, I am just picky when it comes to knowledge.

My question would begin with broken pravraja yoga which includes relevant

lordships for celibacy, placed

in 7th from UL (badhak), well placed from Lagnesh and AK... in karma bhava from

Ch also... But these are just initial thoughts on concept of my question.

O I am also very picky about

knowledge, I will only pick whatever seems logical and scientific irrespective

of the person who is passing the knowledge.

And yes pravraja yoga, did you even

tries to look at the factor which decides potency of sexual organs in his

chart. Perhaps if you had, your question might be different.

And yes "Really?", what do you mean by this? Exactly

what are you trying to prove by using the word really? Asking a question... You do see a question mark

added to "really"?

It did sound unpleasant.

Anyways, leave it.

 

//as stated in wiki tesla was known for his abusive speeches regarding other

scientists.Â

Please copy paragraph containing this line from Wikipedia and paste it in your

next email. I would love to read it in one piece. Especially this word

"abusive".//

 

Can't you simply open wiki and read it. I am familiar with every word written about Tesla on

Wikipedia long before you and I started to exchange emails. and what is got to do

with the discussion?

anyways ,

here it is:

 

//Tesla was critical of Einstein's relativity work, calling it:

Magnificent mathematical garb which fascinates, dazzles and makes people blind

to the underlying errors. The theory is like a beggar clothed in purple whom

ignorant people take for a king ... its exponents are brilliant men but they

are metaphysicists rather than scientists./ /

Ah, good, there is no word

"abusive" in this paragraph. Case closed. There is no point in keeping it opened. So close be

it.

Is this not abusive? You are entitled to your opinion, of course.

Opinion is something different than "as stated in Wikipedia"

There are ways to be critical. Above one fall in worst

category.

If one is using such words for "theory of relativity", I can't

imagine what words he would use to describe other theories. Please do have forgiveness in your heart for this

old man, as he was reading Vedanta too much, which influenced his criteria for

metaphysics and science. Mathematical

grab that fascinates, beggar clothed in purple. Don't overlook that.

BTW nuclear bomb is fruit of

relativity theory...Though poor Einstein won Nobel's prize for photoelectric

effect. Can you believe this injustice?

 

 

Ha.ha.. perhaps tesla was trikala drasta and he knew that this

work of relativity will eventually be used to create a bomb. So he rightly

abuses it.

On a deep thought, well these bombs do seem to be noble because

they stop many small wars between the super powers. Threat of nuclear bomb does

have stopped many wars. These bombs will kill all of us one day, but till that

day comes, we can live in prosperity because of these bombs.

And as we are talking about Einstein, check venus, Saturn,

mercury, sun yoga in his 10th house. Remember, I said venus, Saturn,

mercury yoga produce great mathematicians. Again to avoid confusion no your

part, I should clarify that planet involved should be strong.

 

//in a 1937 interview, he stated:

.... man's new sense of pity began to interfere with the ruthless workings of

nature. The only method compatible with our notions of civilization and the

race is to prevent the breeding of the unfit by sterilization and the

deliberate guidance of the mating instinct .... The trend of opinion among

eugenists is that we must make marriage more difficult. Certainly no one who is

not a desirable parent should be permitted to produce progeny. A century from

now it will no more occur to a normal person to mate with a person eugenically

unfit than to marry a habitual criminal.//

This sounds creepy, honestly.

 

A clear case of venus combust with malefic. But there is a benefic Budh to

pull it out of combustion, right?

Budh with malefic will behaves as

malefic. Reff bphs.

In your brother chat,

venus will not give extremely bad result, only because its is with benefices

and accepted by benefices. "Accepted"?

If we exclude Amavasya Chandra, this is leaving only Budh. Coincidentally, Budh

is only benefic with Tesla's Sukra as well...

What about Jupiter accepting at its

own sign. And when there is a

parivertan between two kenkra house and both planets being benefic, what else

can get bigger then this. O I just saw this mercury is in gandath. Lagana lord

and 4th lord is in gandatha. I think it indicate some problem in his

ability to learn and express.

 

But it's definitely very week being combust. Open Bphs, if you have any doubts

regarding this.

 

Parashara clearly said if futile to check the strength of planet in other

vargas if it is combust, defeated in war, in bad avastha like sayan. What he clearly did not say

anywhere is that other benefics joined with combust graha can improve situation.

This has no logic. If Graha is near combust graha, this means that it might be

"burned" as well... As far as drishti, how helpful can it be? Benefic

with desire (drishti) to pour some water?

O yes they will mellow down the bad

result. It is very basic and absolutely logical.

Recently your brother has completed

moon dasha. Its 2nd, UL, A6, A11 lord.

Is he or his wife suffering from some

disease of long lasting nature. Exactly what are the problem your brother is

facing? Kindly elaborate.

 

// In rashi venus lords 2nd and 7th, both of them are destroyed because of

venus being combust with sun. Can you list criteria you were using to

determine combustion of Sukra? Define "destroyed", please.//

 

Is venus not combust by your criteria? There are various types of

combustion... BTW you did not define "destroyed"...

 

// However as sun is 5th lord, this union has created love and superb insight

for electricity. Since when Surya has anything to do with electricity (or

combust Sukra? Or 5th lord?)?????? ??????? Reference for this statement,

please!//

 

Is it hard to understand?

 

5th house is:

House of creativity,

House of intelligence,

House of love, *sort of, something more like

bhakti, more resembles of your statement bellow:

House of devotion,

House of insights,

I absolutely agree on everything you wrote above.

House of blessing from previous life. Except for this. 5th Bhava is future. Blessings from previous life which will fructify in

future in form of son, creativity, authority etc.

Sorry. BTW where is electricity? I did

not ask you to list 5th bhava signification. I specifically asked you for

reference on electricity related to 5th bhava. Are you sure you can read well?

O yes I can read very well. Well then again I have to say:

Is it hard to understand? Let me try to make it easier for you.

See when 5th lord joins sukra it will create love,

affection towards nature, flowers, beauty, women(in positive sense), paintings,

art, acting, musical instruments.

If malefic is accepting (desire) or joining then they will add its

harshness to the yoga.

However in case of tesla, 5th lord is sun and it has

combusted the venus. Union is strong as they are just 3 degrees apart. Malefic

have added their harshness to the yoga.

Anything which has energy of sun, anything which is fast as

mercury, anything which is as deadly as Saturn and anything which is as

beautiful combust venus. O Brahmin its electricity.

Does it sounds poetic, it is the best and correct way to learn

astrology. There is nothing in this world which can not be classified by the

above mentioned poetic rhyme.

When strong lord Is Surya

indeed strong in 3rd bhava? of

this house joins another planet, it will definitely create love, affection,

insight towards the karakatatvas of the planet it is joining. Even if "burning" them in combustion?

Jotisha is not that straight forward.

Anything which is bad from one perspective might be good from another

perspective. Just like in theory of relativity, perspective mattes in jotisha

too. Basic rules of nature are universally applicable, perhaps if we apply them

with correct perspective.

Here you are flown by just one rule of

combustion. How can you ignore the other rule? The rule that 5th

lord is the lord of prosperity, creativity etc, etc….

Perhaps, you are the one who is saying

that one should focus on all the perspectives. And now you yourself is focusing

on just one perspective of combustion and declaring that all other perspective

doesn't matter…

I though you said they are

destroyed... *plural, exactly, Sani is also combusted. **That is-if the only

criteria you are using is "close to Sun"

Do you have any good astrological software?

Well then use it to decide whether a planet is combust or not. Let software

owner decide whether that planet is combust or not. And only get into this if

you feel software is incorrect.

 

Do you think that I am incorrect? O then please corrects me. Hope you come up

with superior intelligence and enlighten me. Please, spare me from your attempts of using

sarcasm... I prefer quality.

So do I, what where it is? I am just clarifying you that

you have made lot of incorrect guesses. I am sorry but, I will again say it,

come up with superior intelligence, superior questions, superior answers. It's

just to motivate you. To get most out of this discussion.

 

//venus saturn yoga always shows that person will dedicated his life to a cause

or purpose.

Venus is love and Saturn is hard work. it means love for hard work.

Ah, interesting logic.... Can you please apply it on following two

charts and tell me what these natives are doing with their life:

Native 1:

DOB: 13th of November 1982

TOB: 11 30 AM

POB: Belgrade, Serbia; 20 E 30, 44 N 50

Time zone 01h East of GMT

Gender: male

Native 2:

DOB: 27th of November 1960

TOB: 14: 58 PM

POB: 21 E 06, 43 N 08, Time zone 01h East of GMT

Gender: male

Do you think that love for hard work is strong enough to overpower interest for

women in case of these two natives?//

 

Venus is love and Saturn is hard work. It means love for hard work.

Is it incorrect? This

is the poorest definition of this yoga I've ever read in my entire life (it is

not incorrect).It

is the best and absolutely accurate definition of this yoga. BTW if you are trying to

apply it in Tesla's chart, didn't you say that "love" is destroyed as

Sukra is combusted?

How could he love

anything in that case, including hard work? My dear not just venus but 5th lord also

shows love and devotion. When 5th lord and venus both joins is

double bonanza, its more powerful.

Anyway, Sukra is of Jala tatva

(emotions), also related to Bhakti. If joined with Sani, it can result in

coldness.

Sukra is jala tattava and Saturn is

vayu tattava both are friendly towards each other. However as sukra represents

jala tattava and Saturn represents shishir ritu, it does create coldness, it

does take native away from worldly repercussions and dedicates they life for a

purpose.

These natives need time to open up in

partnership. It is better if Sani and Sukra are both strong (own rashi,

mooltrikona, exaltation...). If weak, they can bring sorrow in partnership.

Why just partnerships this indicates

coldness in all relation owned by sukra in the chart and karakattavas owned by

sukra.

To native or partner, this depends

on placement and lordship.

Maturation of Sani (age of 36) can bring some relief. These natives tend to adopt

traditional values (again, this depends on placement and lordship). Don't

forget that weak Sani brings laziness, dullness, atheism (Guru is neecha in

Makara) etc. etc. Being selfish is also result of this yoga. Of course,

everything stated depends on complete chart.

I agree.

FYI: this is not for those who didn't

even understand the basics. It is for those who know their basics very well and

looking for something beyond that.

If both sukra and shani are strong the

there is nothing native can't achieve with his hard work.

If sukra is week but Saturn is strong,

person will show extreme coldness towards the relation owned by sukra.

If sukra is strong but Saturn is week,

laziness, dullness, strong desire of merriment and enjoyment are seen in

native. Hard work on enjoyment. That's the way I call it.

Dear maja, you are calling this definition being poor.

Seriously, you lack insight.

 

Then, I again request you to enlighten all of us regarding what exactly Saturn

venus yoga means. Thanks in advance.

 

To test whether i know something, you are coming up with Puzzles. My question was clear: "Do you think that love

for hard work is strong enough to overpower interest for women in case of these

two natives?" Nothing else. I did not ask you to guess their profession,

eye color, confection size, etc etc etc. I

can also come up with some puzzles for you, to test your knowledge. Are you

good in solving puzzles? Hey, once I

completed one of those with 2000 pieces. I am totally proud of my self!

 

Whoever, I did cast chart native 2 chart and find out that shastiamsha lagna

should be Scorpio not Sagittarius.

 

Why? Because vimshottari dash of strong planet must correlate to moola dasha of

strong planet in shastiamsha.

 

This rectification technique works beautifully and gives results with amazing

accuracy. Hope some brainy people like to discuss potentials of this

technique. One of

those special treats from your great opus of "my ideas", I guess...

haven't you guess work already failed you many a times.

You still like to see more failures. I will not come up with junk and bring

defame to myself.

For example Hitler Lagna vimshottari dasha of yogakaraka Saturn correlate to

Jupiter moola dasha. Jupiter is exalted in shastiamsha.

 

Anyways, native2 chart clearly shows extremely strong 4th house.

 

Extremely auspicious childhood(62 to 66), sudasha of cancer where GL,HL,SL

falls, its lord moon is virgottama in many vargas, exalted in d12 did show how

auspicious his 4th house is.

 

I think it will give very powerful mother, lot of wealth; superb education He had difficulties in finishing high school, but he

graduated eventually. There is curse of Guru in 9th bhava... also, D24 is

absolutely terrible. and native will be interested in

religious learning(as 4L is 9th from itself). Not really... read further.

 

Now look at 9th lord Jupiter strength. It strong in many vargas. But Jupiter

dasha will start in 2060. He will be

deep under ground by then...

 

He must be at a very powerful position. He is in financial problems for last 6 years. But before financial

problems occurred, what happened-read further.

 

Any yes, last but not the least:

Saturn, venus yoga with Jupiter means person will dedicate his life to gain and

spread true knowledge.

9L joining 10L in 9th, person fame will spread beyond borders of his country.

He "spread" smuggled oil,

stolen cars and narcotics. His CV is full of criminal affairs. He was not in

powerful position among "colleagues" if this answers some of your

questions above. BTW check what you wrote bellow for Ve-Sa-Ma... Again, I did not ask you to

write novel about his life, I just asked you to say if he is so much occupied

with hard work, that it reduced his interest for women.

Rare are those who can guess someone's

entire life scenario only by analyzing chart. You and I don't belong to this

category by any chance. Difference between you and me is that I am aware of it

and saying it openly.

Wow, is it so. I am anxious so see such a major failure.

ve sa ma shows a brutal criminal or a great soldier. I said this

previously but I was obsessed by the presence of very strong Jupiter, without realizing

that this strong Jupiter dasha will start in 2060. Not in this life time. Even I

didn't see his drekkana. Otherwise such lethal mistake would not have occurred.

However, you yourself proved that ve, sa, ma does shows a

criminal.

FYI: it's not rare to find people who can predict accurately. I

am fortunate enough to know a few.

 

// ve sa ke shows a tapasavi or territories.

ve sa ma shows a brutal criminal or a great soldier.

ve sa me shows mathematician, logicians of great caliber.

Really? In every chart? In any Bhava? //

 

That's a very very naïve question. Naturally, one will experience good result

of any yoga if planets involved are strong and well placed. That just show how

experienced you really are. )))) Excuse me, I was not the one who tried to justify fact from

someone's life with few yogas, without analyzing their position from Lg, LL, AL, Ch... Sorry for offending your self.

Every yoga, every planetary placement has a unique meaning. One will never be

able to predict anything if he consider all the 7 planets together and if he

consider all the laganas together Lg, PakaLagan,

AL,

VL, NavamshaL, SL,moonL, SuryaL, DashaL, KarakamasL, SuamsaL etc etc...

If one doesn't understand basic nature of a yoga, he can't

predict anything.

 

//Regarding raman maharashi,

 

parivartan between 6th and 7th is the cause of him being away from women. This

is the reason of his celibacy.

DOB: 03rd of October 1979

TOB: 19:02

POB: Zagreb, Croatia; 15 E 58, 45

N 58

Time zone 01h East of GMT

Gender: female

Friend of mine. She is definitely not a celibate. So you see, this is not

enough to make one a celibate.//

 

Its parivartan and neeach bhang together, just not

parivertan.

Moreover,

Mercury in 7th give multiple relationships. It is accepted by Saturn and

mars(two malefic). I will not say anything more than that. It's clearly visible

to experienced eyes. Hope you have some. I made some comments related to this chart few

paragraphs above.

 

Their are many thing one should see before coming to a conclusion. So, why are you focusing on

only few of them? I

am focusing on the yoga being discussed. Should I focus on yoga not being

discussed? Is that what you want? Sorry but, is everything alright with you?

But parivartan shows strongest relationship between the planets.

and is quite conclusive in most of the cases.

 

// parivatran between 6th and 4th is the cause of him leaving all

happiness for the pursuit of higher reasons. "Higher reasons" are

related with 6th bhava? Since when? Reference for this statement, please!//

 

 

And here we are:

parivatran between 6th and 4th is the cause of him leaving all happiness.

Second time: there

is no parivartana between 4th and 6th bhava. This is my comment I would like to correct, but I

will do it few more inches bellow. good for you.

That is what it means. For reasons there are other 7 planets

waiting for you to look at them as well. When explaining effects of one yoga, one should not

reach for other grahas not included in this yoga. Basics... yes, this one yoga means what I have said and now I

will see another major yoga in the chart and try to understand what both of

then signifies together. It's also basic… that's the way we astrologers predict…

that's the way we astrologers comes to some conclusions…

 

these kind of yoga shows person leaving his home for conquest. like a king gone

for war.

 

// You see, parivartana applies only for bhavas occupied with grahas in

exchange. In this chart that would be 6th and 7th bhava, meaning that there is

very strong link between these bhavas, so Sani/Guru yoga (Brahma Yoga) will be

related to 6th and 7th bhava. As far as other bhavas lorded by Guru and

Sani, exchange is only on level of lordship and applied intelligence in context

of Bhava signification. //

 

That just show how experienced you really are. You even don't know rahu is

colord of Aquarius. Sure that this is my first time to read about dual lordship for Kumbha.

Thank you for opening my eyes! Bow to your lotus feet! Where would I be without

you I wonder...

You are quite funny…

First and second time I was saying that there is no parivartana between

4th and 6th bhava, Ramana Maharishi's chart was not in front of me. I memorize

charts easily, so I relied on this. When you said "parivartana between 4th

and 6th", Sani/Guru and Kanya lagna flashed in my mind and I thought

you were aiming on this. Coincidentally, these are also lords of 4th and 6th

bhava, so I thought you were making mistake. Yesterday I read your email with

this comment "you don't even know Rahu is colord of Aquarius". I was

thinking "Yeah, whatever...", as I had no idea where this conclusion

came from, and decided to leave it on "I actually have no idea what is

dual lordship".

Then maybe you would not use those words unless you had a reason, so I

opened his chart. Yes, I've noticed Rahu's placement.

This is misunderstanding due to my mistake. My apologies for bothering

you with this (these) parivartana(s).

That's alright… but this is really worst silly mistake one can do.

//Please

note that Malefics are of Tamas Guna. (Are you familiar with Guna chakra?) How

in the world could they ever increase Rajas? In 3rd, 6th and 11th where from,

lagna, AL, Chandra, Navamsha lagna...???? //

 

You are familiar with Guna charka. How very fortunate you are.

According to you Malefic can't increase rajo guna. Not acording to me, according

to Guna chakra. Are you sure? 100% sure that Ketu will not

increase rajas. Mangal and Sani also. As far as Rahu... well you said it can

not destroy Satva, so I can not continue with explanation. However, here you

skipped answering question on positions. I will come to that, first discuss so many other

things.

// I

do believe and experienced in charts that venus in 3ld does make one lustful.

But in the above chart as venus is at zero degrees it will give effect as being

in 2nd and 3ld both houses.

Allow me some assistance here: Graha can be either in 2nd or 3rd, NOT in 2nd

and 3rd at the same time. Graha being in rashi/ bhava sandhi or Gandanta, that

is a different story (and there is interpretation for results of such

placement. Ever read BPHS?)//

 

Forget about gandatha, everyone can read it in Bphs. Yes, rashi sandhi(is that

what you call it. ), tell me the related verses in Bphs.

 

Are you talking about these verses:

Ch 45 verse 4.

Results. One fourth, half, full, negligible and nil are the grades of the

results, due to a Grah in infant, youthful, adolescent, old and dead

Avasthas.

 

These verses didn't talk about rashi sandhi. Also same sage also said that moon

is exalted in first 3 degrees in Taurus. So he definitely didn't mean what you

have interpreted. No.

What I was aiming at was within range of one pada (03deg. 20min) or one

navamsha on each side of rashi junction. Between browsing through chaos of My

Documents in my computer to find where I was reading about this and saying

"Oops" for stating that it is included in BPHS somewhere along

Gandanta, I rather choose to say "Oops". (You are free to label me as

lazy and suffering dementia. Go on right ahead)However,

if you ever read Bphs, then that's good. Come up with the necessary verses for

rashi sandhi. Eagerly waiting for your response.

 

 

Forget it. These things do happen during bad antardasha.

If you are saying 3 deg 20min, then I would comeup with 100 of

charts to show that rashi sandhi concept is incorrect. Its just 48 minutes, 2

ghatika, correct yourself.

Anyways, Let's discuss few charts.

Jawaharlal Nehru.

Sun at 0 degrees in scorpio, vishaka

nakshatra.

Sun vimshottari dasha from 1932 -1938

Wiki says:

When the British

promulgated the Government of India Act 1935, the Congress Party decided to

contest elections. Nehru stayed out of the elections, but campaigned vigorously

nationwide for the party. The Congress formed governments in almost every

province, and won the largest number of seats in the Central Assembly. Nehru

was elected to the Congress presidency in 1936, 1937, and 1946, and came to

occupy a position in the nationalist movement second only to that of Gandhi.

Now how can sun in rashi sandhi give

good result? Kindly explain.

 

Prathiba patil. 12th and

current President of India.

Jupiter- Saturn vimshottari dasha 2004

-2007.

She was governor of Rajasthan during

2004-2007.

Wiki says:

In November 2004, eight

years after she had completed her term in the 10th Lok Sabha, Pratibha Patil was

recalled from political hibernation to become the first woman Governor of Rajasthan. She was the second politician from Maharashtra in this post, the first

being Vasantdada Patil. With Pratibha Patil as

Governor, Rajasthan had women in three significant positions of power in the

state, including Chief Minister Vasundhara Raje and Assembly Speaker Sumitra Singh.

Her Saturn is at 0 degrees Aquarius.

How can Saturn is rashi sandhi gives

power. In fact according to your rationale, it must destroy 10th and

11th house it owns. Kindly explain.

At the time being, I have only this

article to offer, but I repeat again, I am not sure if this is the only source

I was using:

http://sarbani.com/index.php?option=com_content & view=article & id=6:bhava-and-rashi-sandhis & catid=7:basics & Itemid=14

Other then the above article, I have read few more sjc articles regarding

this. Still I am quite sure and confident about what I am saying.

 

// Secondly, as far as what I understand benefices in 3, 6 from AL give an image

of a person who don't like to fight and is calm.

Malefic in same position give an image of a person who is always ready to fight

and create nuisance.

Please do tell me, how do you define "AL giving

image"?//

 

O that's means my above statements are incorrect. Be kind enough to correct me.

No I will not

correct you, as I don't have anything to correct. You did not write anything on

how you define Al giving image. If you have written something, and if this

definition would be correct, you would not have need to ask that question

you've asked.

Alright, let me give you something.

See AL

is maya associated with the native. Position of planets from, AL

creates an imaginary world which people see and which might be true or false

based on planetary position from lagana. For example benefices in 3ld from AL

give strong coborns, gives large muscles. But will once younger coborn help him

is seem from 3ld from lagana. How much power those large muscles has is seen

from 3ld from lagana.

If there are malefic in 3ld from AL

it will give petty muscle, week or no younger brothers. But malefic in 3ld form

lagana can give tremendous power in those petty muscles.

Similarly, understand for the other houses. I can write for all

the houses if time permits in near future.

 

// My only question is can't we have a saint who have an above mentioned bad

image?

Your questions:

Even i should also ask what is a definition of saints.

2. is one who do tapa to gain higher knowledge is a saint.

3. or is one who do tapa for mokesha is a saint.

4.or is the one who gives preachings to who one should follws once dharma is a

saint.

5. or is the one who preaches who one can get mokesha is a saint.

My dear Arun, as far as 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5Â I do believe that you've

chosen a very wrong thread to ask these questions (considering subject of this

thread). Same goes for rest of your email bellow://

 

If you can't answer these question then may I ask

your gurujis to answer. Can I suggest you a thread for these questions? For example, this one,

title sounds kind of nice:

/message/32858

Good luck in receiving replies

from Gurus!

 

 

Dear Maja, I seriously think that nobody has answer to these

questions. Nobody has done significant work to pinpoint different yogas for

different categories and temperament of saints. Please, feel free to correct me

if I am wrong.

 

And yes, I have one question for you which I think that

you might answer. In one of the thread I asked one of gurujis to answer what is

result of parivertan between trik lords. But he didn't answer.

 

My question is clear:

What is the result of Parivartana between 6th

and 8th ?

What is the result of Parivartana between 8th

and 12th ?

What is the result of Parivartana between 6th

and 12th ?

What is the result of Parivartana between 6th

and 8th ?

What is the result of Parivartana between 3ld

and 6th or 3ld or 8th or 3ld and 12th?

 

What if these lords are week and what if these lords are

strong?

 

Can you answer that?

 

 

Jai shree Ram, Krishn.

Arun.